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[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1165490]At least he seems happy as he's "laughing". Would it be better to see the cup half empty, choosing to assume someone else intended to disrespect you and be feeling sad, angry, and disrespected?

One of my regulars kicked me in the bum. According to Thai customs that is a disrespectful thing to do. If I could know her thoughts I might know if she intended that to purposely disrespect me or if she was just playing, but that's impossible to do. I am not a mind reader.

When I was goofing around in an MP getting a normal massage I attached my foot to a TGs tush. She scolded me and then I remembered you don't do this in Thailand. I apologized, waied to her, told her I forgot about the custom here and that in my country that is considered playing or joking. She forgave me.

One time I was alone with a P4P TG waiting for the hotel elevator. We had just finished steamy hot sweaty sex for hours, but when I tried to kiss her there she ducked away. But with another girl I suggested jokingly we french kiss on the BTS. The funny thing is when we got on it, with a full load of Thai people all around, she not only took the initiative to stick me with her tongue, but also mimick spoon style sex as I stood behind her. Perhaps the Thai kissing police will catch up with us one day, deal with us "gravely" and put us in our place?

I'd probably do it just because I don't have much respect for man made traditions that enslave the masses. I'm sure many Thais also feel the desire to break free from their Victorian and 1920's USA society. Maybe our DC 10 slapper is one of them, eh? Anyone up for grabbing her ass tonight? Don't forget to report back here.

"A tiny little Nana Entertainment Plaza GoGo. A friendly little GoGo with some very aggressive girls albeit a bit worn and some very dark corners to do all sorts of nasty things."[/QUOTE]Its obviuos that he try to gain some respect from the Thais by making out in public and wai to the working girls. He want them to break free, poor guy.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1165927]Most people are missing the critical issue with Wais. That is: don't Wai FIRST, unless to a very important person. You can Wai back or give some acknowlegement, just to be polite to them, unless ignoring them.

Its not ridiculous to Wai back to someone of lower status, if she / he waied you first.

Thais of higher status will not Wai you first anyway.

BTW Its okay to compare to cockroaches here, but seriously impolite when talking to Thais, to compare other Thais with low class animals.[/QUOTE]Correct. Finally someone who understands a little about Thai culture. Not many about.

Firstly Thai's have come to accept most farang are ignorant and in their home countries they are obnoxious anti-social animals who will not even say Hello, to their next door neighbour.

In Asia its very different, in India everone wants to shake your hand, in Thailand they wai, in Japan they bow.

Now, if I want to be an ignorant arse then yes, I can go to Japan and I do not have to bow to anyone. Japs will accept it based on me being a foreigner and thats it.

Same goes for Thailand, its accepted as with Japan they view foreigners are not knowing and also uncaring anti-social ignorants.

However THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTIHNG WRONG WITH GIVING A WAI TO ANYONE who has given a wai to you first. In fact you will be considered a good farang by Thai's, better than the ones who do not wai.

So while there is no need to wai first for the general farang here in Thailand who is not doing business, it is considered good manners to return a wai if someone gives a wai to you, with exceptions to the likes of stores sales people etc. Where a simple nod of the head and acknowledgement of the wai will suffice.

You do not have to of course, but Thai's will view you as a "jai dee" person if you wai back to someone who has given a wai to you.

It costs nothing, its simple good manners, but of course in this day and age simple good manners is missing from many people.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1165924]What is a "somchai"? Did you mean "some guy" like a "John Smith"?"Somchai" is a common Thai given name.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is what I meant.

I'm thinking of bringing a Filipina GF with me to Thailand. One option is to fly with her from the Phils another for her to fly by herself. She has got a newly minted passport with no previous travel.

My understanding is that as a member of ASEAN she can get a 30 day visa waiver. Under scenairio B where she flies alone my understanding os that she will need:

1 A confirmed RETURN ticket.

2 Confirmed hotel booking or similar proof of accommodation.

3 A letter from me guaranteeing that I will cover her expenses during the trip.

Is this correct? Does the letter 3 need to be authorized in some way if so how?

If we got for option A where I travel with her I presume that 2 and 3 are no longer necessary as I can just waive my credit cars and say I will pay for everything is this right?

Is a RETURN ticket still necessary? Ideally we would like to get 1 way then maybe travel overland to other places.

We are thinking of a 45 day stay. One option is a 30 dayvisa waiver then a visa run to the border getting another 15 days. Another option would be a 60 day visa can on eobtain these on arrival or is itnecessary to buy that in advance?

Any feedback and info appreciated.

[QUOTE=GregLondon; 1166042]I'm thinking of bringing a Filipina GF with me to Thailand.

[/QUOTE]It doesn't make any formal difference if she travel alone or with you, another foreign. In the (absurd) case immigration have an issue with her, they may refuse you to do anything for her.

To my knowledge, none of 1 to 3 are ever asked at immigration. I never heard of anybody being denied entry on a Visa waiver. You can have the airline insist on 1, however. This is because the airline gets fined when carrying passengers that are sent back (and have to carry them back at their own expenses.

After, going to the border would get her more 30 days, not 15. You can have up to 90 days of visa waiver within a period of 180.

There are no Visa or arrival in Thailand.

I'd recommend she gets a 60 days tourist visa to avoid worries and the border run. It can be extended for 30 more days going to any immigration office with 1, 900 Baht and two pictures.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy; 1166066]It doesn't make any formal difference if she travel alone or with you, another foreign. In the (absurd) case immigration have an issue with her, they may refuse you to do anything for her.

To my knowledge, none of 1 to 3 are ever asked at immigration. I never heard of anybody being denied entry on a Visa waiver. You can have the airline insist on 1, however. This is because the airline gets fined when carrying passengers that are sent back (and have to carry them back at their own expenses.

After, going to the border would get her more 30 days, not 15. You can have up to 90 days of visa waiver within a period of 180.

There are no Visa or arrival in Thailand.

I'd recommend she gets a 60 days tourist visa to avoid worries and the border run. It can be extended for 30 more days going to any immigration office with 1, 900 Baht and two pictures. [/QUOTE]Although I have never taken a Phi girl out of the country, I have heard lots of single girls were not allowed to leave by Phi immigration people. I believe they check the legality of travel whether it is for work or leisure. It seems they ask lots of questions. So the best way is for you to escort her and provide proof of financial and social support.

Sorry this question has been asked to death but I haven't been able to find any recent posts about it.

What is the most reliable (real) and cost effective way to buy Cialis / Apcalis / Some other generic?

Is it still at the pharmacy close to soi 4 and sukhumvit, or via an online pharmacy?

Thanks.

HH

I wai quite a lot. I don't worry about status and the local customs behind it that much. I must even have waied children a bunch of times.

I can't remember a single time when being too nice has caused me trouble. More like the opposite. Imagine if a foreigner entered your business and was more polite than a local would, even to the point of looking a bit silly? Would you be more likely to treat him better, or a little worse? In my experience, all over the world, the tendency is to treat people in that situation better.

[QUOTE=Mangofan;1165819]It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.[/QUOTE]What a sick thing to say. Get your head checked.

[QUOTE=Happy Harry;1166132]Is it still at the pharmacy close to soi 4 and sukhumvit, or via an online pharmacy?[/QUOTE]If you find a reliable online seller in Thailand, please post it here. Don't try thai-meds. Com as the (western) guy running it is a clown.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1166108]Although I have never taken a Phi girl out of the country, I have heard lots of single girls were not allowed to leave by Phi immigration people. I believe they check the legality of travel whether it is for work or leisure. It seems they ask lots of questions. So the best way is for you to escort her and provide proof of financial and social support.[/QUOTE]Wow, one thing is not being allowed in, another not being allowed out, with a valid passport."Legality of travel" really seems a communist country concept. What a fukced up country it must be.

[QUOTE=The Pro;1165974]THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTIHNG WRONG WITH GIVING A WAI TO ANYONE who has given a wai to you first. In fact you will be considered a good farang by Thai's, better than the ones who do not wai..[/QUOTE]Firstly, you are completely wrong. LEt me give you an example:

You are at emporium. You buy things and pay at the cashier, the 17 years old boy who is in charge of puting your stuff in a bag, gives you a Wai (as they all do when you purchase things from the store) do you wai back?

I have NEVER seen a Thai wai baci these people.

What makes me laugh is all these ignorant Farangs who thing Wai-ing is going to get you brownie points in the eyes of the Thais. What a crack of shit. Dammit, where is OTH when you need him LOL.

One should NEVER Wai the Following People:

- Taxi Drivers.

- Cashiers.

- Shop Attendants.

- Cleaning Staff.

- Waitresses.

- Kids or Anyone Younger than you.

A nod and a smile are more than enough.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1166228]You are at emporium. You buy things and pay at the cashier, the 17 years old boy who is in charge of puting your stuff in a bag, gives you a Wai (as they all do when you purchase things from the store) do you wai back?[/QUOTE]Obviously you did not read the earlier post 14460 by me which says clearly what you have said.

Try reading the whole thread first before answering to later posts only, you have ignored post 14460 and simply cut a bit of post 14662 and using it out of context.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1166228]Firstly, you are completely wrong. LEt me give you an example:

You are at emporium. You buy things and pay at the cashier, the 17 years old boy who is in charge of puting your stuff in a bag, gives you a Wai (as they all do when you purchase things from the store) do you wai back?

I have NEVER seen a Thai wai baci these people.

What makes me laugh is all these ignorant Farangs who thing Wai-ing is going to get you brownie points in the eyes of the Thais. What a crack of shit. Dammit, where is OTH when you need him LOL.

One should NEVER Wai the Following People:

- Taxi Drivers.

- Cashiers.

- Shop Attendants.

- Cleaning Staff.

- Waitresses.

- Kids or Anyone Younger than you.

A nod and a smile are more than enough. [/QUOTE]Nic,

I never got the chance since OTH was kicked out.

Should I Wai, if I think it would get me a better GFE? I have no ego or shame.

LBM

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1166176]I can't remember a single time when being too nice has caused me trouble.[/QUOTE]Good answer.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1166228]Firstly, you are completely wrong.

One should NEVER Wai the Following People:

- Kids or Anyone Younger than you.

A nod and a smile are more than enough. [/QUOTE]Barely enough! If what you claim were true, the "Wai back" would not exist at all in Thailand. So Nic only Wais his superiors/elders and they never Wai back? :confused:
When Thai kids and younger people Wai their elders, do they get a Wai back? Of course they do (usually).

Its vaguely like if a Thai were in a western country, we put out our hand to shake his or her hand, and the Thai refuses to shake hands, thinking that its not necessary (and the hand may well be very dirty).

In general Farangs are in far more danger of being rude or ignorant of Thai customs than of being over polite (as Chill Out points out). I for one, am working on improving my politeness in Thailand, but still have lapses caused by being angry.

Look I partially agree, but the NEVER was too strong. I give a taxi driver, or bar waitress a tip, and get a quick little Wai from them, I probably wouldn't bother to Wai back in this case. Yes just a nod would be O.K. But when two people have some regular or close relationship (not a sexual one) or in formal circumstances, and one Wais the other, then probably should get a Wai back.