Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=GregLondon; 1166398]Yes you would have thought that wouldn't you but I'm afraid having spoken to quite afew people its fairly common for Philippines airlines and immigartion people to cause all sorts of hassles. The issue for them is that given the wage differentials its pretty attractive for penniless phil girls to try to hop on a plane to Singapore or BKK in the hope of earning enough there to pay for their flight. They therefore try to enforce the standard visa regulations to the absolute letter in order to deter as many as possible. This includes insisting on Return tickets, booked accommodation and proof of financial status, things which they just ignore if you area western traveller. If the girl can actually get on the plane she will generaly be OK at Thai Sing immigration, getting on the plane is the hurdle.

If you check with the Thai Embassy on line it states that Filipinos qualify fro a 30 day visa waiver. We tried to book a ticket at aCebu travel agent today and they insisted that they could not sell a ticklte unless you had a 14 day return ticket.

I need to hear from guys who have actually had experience of taking Phil girls into Thailand to find out what the situation in reality is. [/QUOTE]Filis qualify for a tourist visa if they have a return ticket, that is the definition of a tourist, you are going there to look at the sights and then going back home. It is not some dastardly plot by the airline to keep girls in the country, the airline cops a fine from the receiving country if it carries people who do not meet the visa regs and they get caught. Ok, so you need to buy her a rerturn ticket, and when you think about it, that's the safest for the girl, at least she can get home if you dump her.

This is awesome

Rather than talking about banging chix, we're talking about buying porno at phantip, importing flips to Thailand and whether to wai go go touts or not.

How sad is that?

Well I just finished up my first 3 days in Bangkok and am now heading to Pattaya. I figured I give a quick report on my findings in BKK. After RTFF I thought I had a pretty good idea of what to expect as far as prices were going to go. All the bars and go gos I'm talking about were in the Nana area. I was able to get girls from bars for 1500-2000 baht with little trouble. I also found that no matter how good or bad my haggling skills were the girls at the go gos were always more expensive. Many would set such a high LT price that it seemed like they were trying to force you into ST. That being said I never took a girl out of a go go, but I did enjoy having a drink or two at a few go gos, Billboard was by far my personal favorite. I should also note that there seemed to be a higher concentration of younger girls in the go gos vs the bars. I preferred the bars, but thats just me, to each there own.

The first night I went to a good many bars and go gos, but ended up spending the most time at Hillary bar a little ways past NEP. I had a few drinks with Mi and decided that it was about time to head back to the room, because I was getting pretty drunk at this point. We agreed on 1500 baht LT and headed back to the room. Gave a great BBJ with CIM. All in all not the best, but for 1500 baht well worth a repeat and I did on my last night.

On my second night I decided to hold out a little later and ended up having a drink in probably about 10 go gos and 5 or so bars. Every once in awhile a girl would catch my eye and I'the inquire on a LT price, but as stated early I found almost all the go go girls wanting way to much imo. I ended up waiting for NEP to start closing down (around 0230 on a wed night) that is when Taa caught my eye. She was with 2 friends and they we're all heading to a disco to drink and Dance. Much to my surprise not only was the disco still open when we got the around 0300, but the were also still serving and hand live music. Drank and danced (or tried to dance I should say) for about an hour, then headed back to my room. Great BBJ, but she was a little reserved about giving one at first. She also had some great tits for a Thai girl, at least a large C cup. In the best she was very good and full of energy. We also had a repeat in the morning before she left. We never really talked price before going back to my room and when I asked her how much she wanted she told my 3000. I told her because we never spoke about a price I'the give her 2000 plus a 500 tip. She seemed okay with that and left. I don't know where you can find her. Never asked were she work and I found here walking out of NEP.

Also I noticed the were some Russian girls working (most ugly) in the Soi 3 area with all the Arab restaurants.

Anyway headed to Pattaya now to see what it has to offer. Hoping to find some girls that are a little more camera friendly.

[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1167125]----- It is not some dastardly plot by the airline to keep girls in the country, the airline cops a fine from the receiving country if it carries people who do not meet the visa regs and they get caught. -----.[/QUOTE]Correct airlines will have to pay 5000US$ fine and have to bring the passenger back on their own expenses (then if they get it back from the passenger is another story)

Happens everywhere in the world.

I personally had a problem in Bolivia (after a 3hrs airport transit coming from Colombia, where I stayed 12hrs) heading to Brazil. I did not have the yellow fever vaccination done (required in Brazil for people coming from either Colombia and Bolivia). I was denied check in and boarding. After mails exchange with ariline office at finalk destination I was allowed on the plane. When I arrived I was escorted to the Airport Health for vaccination. Then they let me in the country.

It is then I learnt from the airline about the fine for allowing people on board and not legally entitled to enter a country.

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan;1166538]This is the first lesson for every farang going to LOS. Its harsh but very true. I thought it was clear to many of you on the forum, but after this discussion I understand its not. So you try to get some respect by waing the bargirls? Embarrassing![/QUOTE]I've been told that if you're wai is not brought high when waing a youngster or a 'lesser' it is appropriate. The higher you bring your wai, the more reverence and respect you show. Bowing lower is also thrown in for people you respect, so maybe a chest high wai and little to no bow would be a reasonable way to give a polite Hello, to a sex worker?

[QUOTE=Satyr23;1167232]maybe a chest high wai and little to no bow would be a reasonable way to give a polite Hello, to a sex worker?[/QUOTE]You're correct in general, but the specific example is not what Thais would do. They would never use wai at all as a greeting with a sex worker, or any far-lower-ranking service worker (e. G. 7-11 clerk, street vendor, maid) -- it's more appropriate to just nod, even in response to a wai.

The low wai is be used for greeting people of same or slightly lower rank. for instance your direct reports or a junior external vendor if you're a manager (and in a good mood).

Note that this applies to [b]greeting[/b], but it's appropriate to use a wai as a [b]thank you[/b] with anyone, including a lower ranking person if they go out of they way to help you (but not as a routine "thanks" if they're doing their job well). For higher ranking people (say, higher-up government officials), it's wais all the way, even if they're just doing their job (and poorly).

I usually don't go for the small petite thai gogo girl. I prefer seeking out tall girls with big booties, but this girl was the most seductive and slutty pole dancer I've ever seen in a thai gogo. I barfined her and took her straight back to my room. Just as I suspected she was an animal! Glorious BBBJ, DATY, DFK and a great attitude. She definitely brought her pole dancing energy back to the sack! Now it must be explained that My bank account only lets me withdraw $300 per day from ATMs. I only had 1500 bht when I got to Nana and explained to the Mamasan (who drug me in there and insisted it didn't matter and I could pay the girl of my choice 1000 for an hour) Wasn't going to argue with that, but apparently she didn't communicate this to my pole dancer. So our session is coming to an end I decide to finish with a BBBJCIM which takes for ever, at the end I'm on my knees on the bed and she's on her knees going to town. For some reason when I tell her I'm coming she didn't want me to explode in her mouth so she lifts her head up a bit and opens her mouth like waiting for me to shoot up in her mouth. Right as I explode she moves her head slightly and the first huge stream blasts straight up her left nostril! So she starts choking and gagging, meanwhile hot streaks of jizz are still spraying into her mouth and face. At this point she turns her head and amidst loud gags makes a comical hunched over, break for the bathroom. So I'm sitting there, still shuddering from an amazing orgasm with mingled feelings of guilt and amusement over whats taking place. Now the waters running, she's spitting, and rinsing her mouth out and gagging so hard it sounds like she might be puking. I gave her her space. Eventually she comes back smiling shyly. I apologize and we laugh it off. Whew! Things didn't stay comfortable for long however. I hand her two pathetic 500 baht notes for an amazing performance and taking a load up her nose. She is pissed! I try to explain but she won't even look at me, won't leave and now she's got tears running down her face, it was terrible, I felt like such an asshole, but had no way to make it up to her. She didn't believe me about my ATM so I told her to call her Mamasan. She's arguing and bitching on the phone and starts crying harder and hangs up, she turns and spits some serious venom in thai for a minute then storms out the door. After recovering from the What the f*k just happened moment I walked into the bathroom to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and explode into laughter. There was slightly digested rice all over in the sink. She had actually vomited from the ordeal. She puked rice from a load up the nose! HAHAHAHAHAHA! Terrible I know, but you have to see the humor in it. I swore to find her again in her gogo and just hand her 2000 baht. I felt I owed it to her. It must have been an embarrassing slap in the face of an evening. I stopped in on two different nights but couldn't find her.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1167237]You're correct in general, but the specific example is not what Thais would do. They would never use wai at all as a greeting with a sex worker, or any far-lower-ranking service worker (e. G. 7-11 clerk, street vendor, maid). It's more appropriate to just nod, even in response to a wai.

The low wai is be used for greeting people of same or slightly lower rank. For instance your direct reports or a junior external vendor if you're a manager (and in a good mood).

Note that this applies to [b]greeting[/b], but it's appropriate to use a wai as a [b]thank you[/b] With anyone, including a lower ranking person if they go out of they way to help you (but not as a routine "thanks" if they're doing their job well). For higher ranking people (say, higher-up government officials) , it's wais all the way, even if they're just doing their job (and poorly). [/QUOTE]Good to know. Thanks Croco!

[QUOTE=Satyr23;1167255]Now it must be explained that My bank account only lets me withdraw $300 per day from ATMs. I only had 1500 bht when I got to Nana[/QUOTE]So let me get this straight. You come all the way to Thailand. With no money and rely on the $300 / day withdrawal you are allowed to make? No backup cash at all?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1167237]You're correct in general, but the specific example is not what Thais would do. They would never use wai at all as a greeting with a sex worker, or any far-lower-ranking service worker (e. G. 7-11 clerk, street vendor, maid). It's more appropriate to just nod, even in response to a wai.

The low wai is be used for greeting people of same or slightly lower rank. For instance your direct reports or a junior external vendor if you're a manager (and in a good mood).

Note that this applies to [b]greeting[/b], but it's appropriate to use a wai as a [b]thank you[/b] With anyone, including a lower ranking person if they go out of they way to help you (but not as a routine "thanks" if they're doing their job well). For higher ranking people (say, higher-up government officials) , it's wais all the way, even if they're just doing their job (and poorly). [/QUOTE]Generally speaking if you don't know the wai protocol well (heck that's just about almost all of us farang) as in trying to figure out the appropriate height of your wai or whether you should wai at all, you're far better off not wai'ing at all than screwing it up. This is an aspect the Thai grow up knowing from early childhood on, how they figure out the appropriate wai'ing posture is something they know by instinct borne from many years of doing it and from knowing their place in the pecking order. Two week millionaires will never come close to this level of familiarity with the gesture.

You can nod your head once briefly to acknowledge the wai. You may even throw in a smile with the head nod if the mood calls for it, but that's it. They know you're a foreigner, you're not going to be expected to know everything about local customs.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1167311]So let me get this straight. You come all the way to Thailand. With no money and rely on the $300 / day withdrawal you are allowed to make? No backup cash at all?[/QUOTE]I also never bring much cash with me to Thailand. Just whatever baht I have left over from my previous trip. Of course, my ATM allows for $1000 withdrawal per day but that one reams me with fees and bad exchange rate. So I got a second account for traveling with no fees and great exchange rate with a $500 limit per day.

I see no reason to bring USD to Thailand.

And now you have spoilt what was a good girl and probably made her hate farangs now. She will demand more money, demand money up front, not give good service etc.

This I am afraid happens all the time, whether by accident or planning and its why many complain about high prices, paying up front, poor service etc. Because the girls get screwed like this over and over and over until they are the ones who start to screw customers.

If you do not have enough money to pay for the goods do not take the girl.

HOWEVER, some key errors in your story.

You have 1500 baht.

You entered a bar, you managed to pay a bar fine and also have a drink for under 500 baht? When bar fine is 600 baht. As you claim later to have still 1000 baht over?

And no go-go girl ever agrees to go short time for 1000 baht. Thats 1500 baht minimum.

So I am guessing your story is not true. Perhaps a little story to try to ingite some flames. ? .

[QUOTE=Satyr23;1167255]I usually don't go for the small petite thai gogo girl. I prefer seeking out tall girls with big booties, but this girl was the most seductive and slutty pole dancer I've ever seen in a thai gogo. I barfined her and took her straight back to my room. Just as I suspected she was an animal! Glorious BBBJ, DATY, DFK and a great attitude. She definitely brought her pole dancing energy back to the sack! Now it must be explained that My bank account only lets me withdraw $300 per day from ATMs. I only had 1500 bht when I got to Nana and explained to the Mamasan (who drug me in there and insisted it didn't matter and I could pay the girl of my choice 1000 for an hour) Wasn't going to argue with that, but apparently she didn't communicate this to my pole dancer. So our session is coming to an end I decide to finish with a BBBJCIM which takes for ever, at the end I'm on my knees on the bed and she's on her knees going to town. For some reason when I tell her I'm coming she didn't want me to explode in her mouth so she lifts her head up a bit and opens her mouth like waiting for me to shoot up in her mouth. Right as I explode she moves her head slightly and the first huge stream blasts straight up her left nostril! So she starts choking and gagging, meanwhile hot streaks of jizz are still spraying into her mouth and face. At this point she turns her head and amidst loud gags makes a comical hunched over, break for the bathroom. So I'm sitting there, still shuddering from an amazing orgasm with mingled feelings of guilt and amusement over whats taking place. Now the waters running, she's spitting, and rinsing her mouth out and gagging so hard it sounds like she might be puking. I gave her her space. Eventually she comes back smiling shyly. I apologize and we laugh it off. Whew! Things didn't stay comfortable for long however. I hand her two pathetic 500 baht notes for an amazing performance and taking a load up her nose. She is pissed! I try to explain but she won't even look at me, won't leave and now she's got tears running down her face, it was terrible, I felt like such an asshole, but had no way to make it up to her. She didn't believe me about my ATM so I told her to call her Mamasan. She's arguing and bitching on the phone and starts crying harder and hangs up, she turns and spits some serious venom in thai for a minute then storms out the door. After recovering from the What the f*k just happened moment I walked into the bathroom to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and explode into laughter. There was slightly digested rice all over in the sink. She had actually vomited from the ordeal. She puked rice from a load up the nose! HAHAHAHAHAHA! Terrible I know, but you have to see the humor in it. I swore to find her again in her gogo and just hand her 2000 baht. I felt I owed it to her. It must have been an embarrassing slap in the face of an evening. I stopped in on two different nights but couldn't find her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1167311]So let me get this straight. You come all the way to Thailand. With no money and rely on the $300 / day withdrawal you are allowed to make? No backup cash at all?[/QUOTE]On principle $300 a day should be ok to survive lodging, food and mongeting as I assume such a kind would not call at JWMarriott or alike.

I also agree one should always have back up cash, especially in the first part of the stay.

Anyhow I am not surprised of anything when I read so often about ATM fees etc, just as anything should be free. I don't want to digress further.

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1167354]And now you have spoilt what was a good girl and probably made her hate farangs now. She will demand more money, demand money up front, not give good service etc.

HOWEVER, some key errors in your story.

So I am guessing your story is not true. Perhaps a little story to try to ingite some flames. ? . [/QUOTE]I usually do not share your opinions on pricing, but this is another story.

In this case I fully agree with your concepts. 100%.

I don't think the girl will see a humorous side even if and when she gets the 2000b.

The girl's pride has been touched. She probably felt betrayed.

Let's not forget, with all respect, she is a Thai bar girl, a WG, not a sophisticated and well cultured girl so we have to take into account what and how her head will elaborate.

Relaying on the mama-san to communicate all to the girl can't be taken for granted. All what she cares is take her stake of the deal. She got it! The rest is irrelevant. How many times did we hear or experienced that girl services or performances agreed with mama-san are then not happening? Some mama-san or pimps are just like salesmen of "previously owned cars".

Would not wonder if the girl disappeared for a while after the episode, rethinking in her little head the sense of her job and the earnings out of it. Ultimately it is all related to her daily income. And that doesn't come back. Gone! Unless the next punter is charged double, to recover the missed money.

[QUOTE=Jayleesf; 1167341]I also never bring much cash with me to Thailand. Just whatever baht I have left over from my previous trip. Of course, my ATM allows for $1000 withdrawal per day but that one reams me with fees and bad exchange rate. So I got a second account for traveling with no fees and great exchange rate with a $500 limit per day.

I see no reason to bring USD to Thailand. [/QUOTE]This is one of the dumbest things I have read in a while.

As most frequent travelers know criminals are not breaking into hotel rooms robing unsuspecting guests. Just not happening, so if that's your concern get over it. Again, as most frequent travelers know it is not difficult for hotel staff to gain access to the inside of your in-room safe - (bar garls CAN NOT and won't try) but again, not only not common, ALMOST non-existent in Bangkok.

There is no reason NOT to bring money to Thailand.

Conversely........