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[QUOTE=Boulayman]Ok, this topic has most likely been talked about before but I really need to make sure

I am not in China anymore

While in China, I had sex with 8 women (7 chinese: 1 from the uber posh massage called regencia, 3 from shanghai's 999 and 3 from Lily , and one canadian, not a worker)

I always used condoms during the actual sex, but only once during bjs. Even though they were a bit small for me the upper half of my penis was always covered and I checked after the deed: they never burst.

There were only a few occasions I can think of when I didn't use the condom:

- for a hj (removed the condom but used it for the sex before)
- for a tj (removed the condom but used it for the sex before)
- the next to last time I had sex in Beijing I came as she was softly rubbing her ass against my dick so I came on her back before penetration so didn't have the opportunity to put a shield
- For all bjs except once, I didn't wear the condom

Ever since I have been back home (actually starting during the flight), I have had strong cold symptoms (very runny nose, sore throat, cough) and I heard that flu symptoms are supposed to occur within the first couple of weeks after you have been infected so I am freaking out.

I am 99.9% sure for the canadian girl and 85% sure for the regencia one (had a condom even for the bj) but when I think back on the others, I am not so sure anymore. So I wanted to know how more experimented members would feel about this situation.[/QUOTE]

Consult a doctor not a website. I am sure many people have opinions here but the doctor will run tests. That is the most reliable option.

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Hey ES - definitely not you!!

You are a master at what you do and you do it well - plus of course I do know your preference for the type of relationships you've been having.

It's the casual/occassional visitors to China that I'm wondering about and why chosing such a "hard route" so to call. I say that its so much easier to get practically true GFE with the China Ladies that at least to me - it don't make sense for a guy who's in town a couple days or even a week to invest so much of his time (more for freebies vs paybees) to bag one partiular quarry.

anyway, like I said, just wodnering

SEAJ[/QUOTE]

I guess everybody has a different situation but let me try with my point of view.
1. I like the thrill of the hunt. Not much of that with P4P.
2. I like to be with a girl that did not sleep with 10+ guys in the last week.
3. They are usually not faking it.
4. Related to #2, I like to find underused pussy sometimes. Many never had a white guy before (I call them technically virgin) and sometimes they had no sex in a few years. They are hungry and tight.
5. I have used P4P sometimes as it is my backup. I went to Maggies in Beijing once with a friend and I found negotiating with a girl before sleeping with her sort of counterproductive. When I was quote a ridiculous price I just walk away rather than argue with her.
6. You can develop relationships with some of them and visit them regularly. I know it can be done also with P4P as I have read in some of your posts.
I agree it is a lot of work and you need to have the time. But when your ads are clear then it is quicker. They know you are only passing in town and they understand the "rules". You are leaving town in a couple of days so this is not long term. I never BS them about my intentions and make my ads clear even though I don't discuss sex explicitly with them too quickly when chatting.
Now I live in China and I meet a different kind of freebies and it can be more challenging actually. You are not leaving town in a couple of days and it can get more complicated to get rid of some of them. Some have longer term plans for you.....

[QUOTE=Loveasiangirls]I guess everybody has a different situation but let me try with my point of view.
1. I like the thrill of the hunt. Not much of that with P4P.
2. I like to be with a girl that did not sleep with 10+ guys in the last week.
3. They are usually not faking it.
4. Related to #2, I like to find underused pussy sometimes. Many never had a white guy before (I call them technically virgin) and sometimes they had no sex in a few years. They are hungry and tight.
5. I have used P4P sometimes as it is my backup. I went to Maggies in Beijing once with a friend and I found negotiating with a girl before sleeping with her sort of counterproductive. When I was quote a ridiculous price I just walk away rather than argue with her.
6. You can develop relationships with some of them and visit them regularly. I know it can be done also with P4P as I have read in some of your posts.
I agree it is a lot of work and you need to have the time. But when your ads are clear then it is quicker. They know you are only passing in town and they understand the "rules". You are leaving town in a couple of days so this is not long term. I never BS them about my intentions and make my ads clear even though I don't discuss sex explicitly with them too quickly when chatting.
Now I live in China and I meet a different kind of freebies and it can be more challenging actually. You are not leaving town in a couple of days and it can get more complicated to get rid of some of them. Some have longer term plans for you.....[/QUOTE]

As most of you know, I do a combination of freebies and P4P, albeit far more P4P.

I like the freebies for the same reasons mentioned above, plus:

1) Call me stupid, but I do most freebies bareback, whereas, I always do P4P covered.
2) It is a whole different experience doing a girl that wants to do you rather than being paid for it.

Yes, you can develop GFE relationships with P4P, but in the end it is still a commercial transaction. Try not giving them any money and see what happens.

On the other hand, I like the excitement and newness of P4P. I get bored very quickly with the sex with freebies, sometimes getting to the point where I cannot even pop every time. I almost never have this problem with P4P. In fact, sometimes it is the opposite, I pop too quickly for my liking. I almost never do LT in China and I very rarely repeat the same girl so I do not get the opportunity to develop the same type of relationships that SEAJ does. Language is another issue since, although I can get by with basic conversation, I cannot converse in Mandarin fluently enough to carry on long, complex discussions. I think the girls get bored after I have used my entire vocabulary. There are enough girls in CP for example that can speak and understand Cantonese well enough for SEAJ to take it further.

Just my POV.

OAH

Guys,

Bit off topic - can someone recommend good proxy that works with flickr?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Boulayman]
Ever since I have been back home (actually starting during the flight), I have had strong cold symptoms (very runny nose, sore throat, cough) and I heard that flu symptoms are supposed to occur within the first couple of weeks after you have been infected so I am freaking out..[/QUOTE]

You are lucky (or not) that these symptoms occurred on the flight out. Would they have occurred on the flight in, you'd be in an isolation ward of a Chinese hospital, and the whole plane (along with the Regency crew, the Canadian etc.) would be sequestered in a hotel, courtesy of the Chinese government.

Tamiflu to the rescue.

That having been said, who shares my belief that this is a smear campaign directed at Regency, Lily and 999 ? Post your H1N1 diagnosis, then we talk.

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand] I almost never do LT in China and I very rarely repeat the same girl so I do not get the opportunity to develop the same type of relationships that SEAJ does. Language is another issue since, although I can get by with basic conversation, I cannot converse in Mandarin fluently enough to carry on long, complex discussions. I think the girls get bored after I have used my entire vocabulary. There are enough girls in CP for example that can speak and understand Cantonese well enough for SEAJ to take it further.

Just my POV.

OAH[/QUOTE]

Good God OAH - you make it sound as if I'm the only one here who develops longer term relationships with WG's!! I'd think that there'd be more than one of me who does this!

Everybody IS different - and that even also goes for WG's who also do have their own set of circumstances, likes/dislikes/preferences - and yes, even "soft spots" in their heart.

Yes its true that I do do repeats when I enjoy the experience with a particular lady - and yes, from there, personal relationships do develop. This happens to me lots more time in China than in any other localities as I do tend to find so many more gals here who are NOT as hardened and "pro" in the way they do things, they way they think and act, their aspirations, their dreams etc. Its NOT difficult for me to feel personal connections with them - and yet, I am always aware of exactly what they are, how I had met them etc and would only allow myself to go along with them to a certain point.

Oh sure, there are times when I happen to, say like a particular gal and so wish that she would get out of the business, but its still their choice to go on with it or not. And in any case, no matter what, I always insist to pay - even though I've forgotten how many many times that these gals would refuse payments. To me, so long as they are still WG's, they are still selling their body and it would be like stealing if I do not pay them. Now, this is only for myself, IMHO, not trying to impose my values to anybody else here or anywhere - and so please don't start to flame me - OK?! Doing this will hopefully also insulate myself from any drama about broken promises, lies, misrepresentations etc - for indeed my relationship with them has always been based on a pure commercial transaction first and foremost.

SEAJ

If you don't kind - I'd like to comment on your points
[QUOTE=Loveasiangirls]I guess everybody has a different situation but let me try with my point of view.
1. I like the thrill of the hunt. Not much of that with P4P.[/QUOTE]
Problem with the hunt for freebies is that its such a long drawn out affair with so uncertain results, that a lot of us just don't have the time AND patience (like I said, especially for those who're in Town for a short period of time etc). And the hunt for P4P is equally if not more satisfyuing in that such a hunt usually only involves getting the BEST quality possible for your $$. Freebies - lots of times I see guys settling for second best, third or even worse - and still end up blanko!
[QUOTE]2. I like to be with a girl that did not sleep with 10+ guys in the last week.
3. They are usually not faking it.[/QUOTE]

Ahhhhh - howzabout an overused pussy which you and only you can take to orgasm, rapture, ecstacy - and you'd be surprised to find how many of these gals are really so starved of affection (and perhaps technique etc as their customers just want to wham-bam-thank-you-mam), that when you treat them as another human being, that they respond - and respond strongly!
[QUOTE]4. Related to #2, I like to find underused pussy sometimes. Many never had a white guy before (I call them technically virgin) and sometimes they had no sex in a few years. They are hungry and tight.[/QUOTE]
Are you ABSOLUTELY sure?? Hate to point this out - but I'd opine that most Chinese gals would rather NOT be with foreigners - and that if they do so its mostly because of desperation. And please again don't flame me for this but really, this is not anything new - Chinese ARE inherently quite bigoted.

So the circumstances is that you'd be getting a gal who most in her own community/race would classify as a sl*t who would even sleep around with foreigners - so how "under-used" would such pussy be??!! Oh - you cud say the same for a WG who would go with a foreigner - but hey - that's another whole new topic!!
(my definition - a WG is one who does it for $$, while a sl*t is one who does it - and does it often/all over the place/with just about anybody like a WG would - exceptin' that she just do it for the hell of it and not for $$ - so which is better - a WG or a Sl*t?)
[QUOTE]
5. I have used P4P sometimes as it is my backup. I went to Maggies in Beijing once with a friend and I found negotiating with a girl before sleeping with her sort of counterproductive. When I was quote a ridiculous price I just walk away rather than argue with her.
6. You can develop relationships with some of them and visit them regularly. I know it can be done also with P4P as I have read in some of your posts.
I agree it is a lot of work and you need to have the time. But when your ads are clear then it is quicker. They know you are only passing in town and they understand the "rules". You are leaving town in a couple of days so this is not long term. I never BS them about my intentions and make my ads clear even though I don't discuss sex explicitly with them too quickly when chatting.[/QUOTE]
Don't have to make all this so cut and dried - you can also inject personal 'touches' in relationships with WG's
[QUOTE]Now I live in China and I meet a different kind of freebies and it can be more challenging actually. You are not leaving town in a couple of days and it can get more complicated to get rid of some of them. Some have longer term plans for you.....[/QUOTE]

Ahhhhh..... the perils of the freebies!!

And like I said, am not trying to inflame any passions or get anybody feel offened for their own "choice" - for after all, it IS your own choice. Am only commenting.

Pace and salutations

SEAJ

[QUOTE=DayNight]It's not an official document. It becomes only official after it get's the chop. Again, the tricky part is to get the first chop. After that some will chop, some do not.

My forms were always blank. I never had an endorsement chop on it. I think I got most, if not all in Macau/Gongbei. Now I cross mainly a Luohu and I accept the fact that I need every 1 or 2 years a new passport. Next time I cross I and they guy is not busy I will show them an old form and ask them..... Stay tuned...

[/QUOTE]

Nope - I ain't cut out to be a criminal!!

Crossed over Huangang and used a color photocopy of the form given out in Guangzhou East (much easier to photocopy as it's only a one sided piece of paper vs. the 2 sided one from Gongbei - which requires one to perfectly allign up both sides!!).

I even had a genuine piece of paper with me - just to show all the chops already on it! Well, in the glare of daylight, I immediately noticed the "whiteness" of my photocopy versus the more beige-y appearance of the genuine stuff and quickly put it away before the border guard ask for it to compare. He looked at my photocopy perfunctorily and proceeded to chop on it. Halelujah.... Success!!! Which is when a bit of panic started to come over me. Hell, I'm now going to have to present the same photocopy to another border guard when I leave. Oh shit!! what if he spots that its a fake then??!!

3 days passed (with little panic flashes/thoughts about my 'ungenuine' presence in China, bothering me during all kinds of odd situations/ circumstance the whole 3 days!) and here I was at the Chang Ping Train Station border area. Quickly chose who I assumed would be an easy touch - a youngish gal who seems to be junior to her other colleagues - BAD MISTAKE!!

For her supervisor then showed up - and started to examine my paper very very carefully; Holding it up to the light; snapping the paper a couple times; rubbing on the chop from Huangang (lucky - as of course that is genuine and smudged a bit - lucky in that he didn't rub on the photocopied red chop which I presume would not smudge!!)

I was literally sweating bullets under the collar and started this nonsense about how hot it is in CP, how it feels like a sauna, fanning myself, saying how much cooler it is in other parts of GZ vs. CP - must be all the tall buildings, how my face is flushed from being sun burned etc etc - anything,anything at all.... just to act normally.

Miracle of miracle - he handed the paper back to the gal and she of course just chopped on it..... and I was FREE, a Free man again !! Halellujah. Thank You God!! Thank You Buddha!! Thank you whoever you are!!

So, you figure I would use this paper again?????

SEAJ

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Good God OAH - you make it sound as if I'm the only one here who develops longer term relationships with WG's!! I'd think that there'd be more than one of me who does this![/QUOTE]

SEAJ,

Of course, you are not the only one. There are many guys that come to China and see only one particular WG the whole time they are here. I overheard some Singapore guys on a flight once talking about China KTV girls as if they were their steady girlfriends.

I am just saying that I am not able to develop this in China due to language limitations and the types of girls I do most, BBS. I suppose if I did more KTV girls, it might be different. On the other hand, I have developed longer relationships in other countries where language is not an issue. Every once in awhile, one will come along that seems special in some way and I get hooked.

Just my POV.

OAH

@SE Asia Joe
I think to make a cope is no problem. However, I would not copy and chops. Now THAT is felony! Just do the blank paper, even no need to show them, just leave it in the passport.

Freebies - since this an sex board....
I have a few MSN and QQ friends, none of them I met via sex or dating sites. So far had sex with 8 of them. The latest one is a girl from Liaoning that I chat with for about 2 years, real stunner, amazing shape. I thought we will never meet, however, she suddenly moved down to Shenzhen.

Of course we met, once, then the 2nd time we had sex. The working situation in SZ is terrible, salary is only around 1500 or so. So naturally I am ask to help a little, in cash. Usually I don't mind. The great thing about freebies is of course that it's more GF like and that you can do DATY, which I would never do with a P4P girl. So far so good, otherwise the sex is pathetic. I think she's the most boring type I ever met, she doesn't like give BJs, she reluctantly does handjobs. She likes getting orals, but prefers to lie about and telling me she doesn't like them. Now I get shopping lists for skin creams and shampoos. Should be TheBodyShop or other expensive stuff, of course I don't buy any. I wouldn't mind in exchange for great sex - but now I think I let it fade out.

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]SEAJ,

Of course, you are not the only one. There are many guys that come to China and see only one particular WG the whole time they are here. I overheard some Singapore guys on a flight once talking about China KTV girls as if they were their steady girlfriends.

I am just saying that I am not able to develop this in China due to language limitations and the types of girls I do most, BBS. I suppose if I did more KTV girls, it might be different. On the other hand, I have developed longer relationships in other countries where language is not an issue. Every once in awhile, one will come along that seems special in some way and I get hooked.

Just my POV.

OAH[/QUOTE]
Got nuthin' to do with where they work or language ability etc - out of the 4 I regularly see these days, 2 are from the Swan Lake, 1 was a Crown Prince Dj who now works as a make-up gal and the other one I met on her second day/was her first take-out customer at Virgin KTV but who's now/ been doing a regular job all along. out of the 4, two hardly speaks any Cantonese - (but I guess manage in my Pai-Tung-Hwa!!).

Naaahh... it's what one "puts" into the relationship that matters most. If you treat them as just another human being, I'd say the majority of them will FIRST give you their best service (which is my main motivation actually), AND secondly, it becomes so natural for them to develop a personal relationship with you.

On the other hand, I also know guys who even though are major mongers, still also do have hang-ups - in that they think they are somehow 'superior' to these gals and thus cannot make themselves to treat these gals aS JUST ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. oH THE COMPLICATIONS OF THE HUMAN MIND AND PSYCHE!!

seaj

It's only remotely mongering related, but nevertheless:

When I browsed the news today I saw two American journalists have been sentenced to 12 years reeducation in North Korea. A certain Miss Euna Lee and then Miss Laura Ling. And the somehow the face of the latter looked a bit familiar. Looked it up a little and then:

Same Laura Ling as we had posted about here some while ago - [post]738398[/post]

As a reminder: Back then she tried to do a little report on the sex industry in China. While clumsy, naive and pretty much off the mark I found her piece of work pretty amusing back then. Maybe because it was so clumsy, naive and off the mark.

Seems she did not wise up too much since then and again got herself into troubles. No matter how she exactly got into that mess this time around but ending up as a political bargaining token of North Korea isn't exactly amusing anymore, no matter how I look at it.

No snarky remarks from me on that matter - my 100th post to Miss Ling and Miss Lee.

[QUOTE=DayNight]@SE Asia Joe
I think to make a cope is no problem. However, I would not copy and chops. Now THAT is felony! Just do the blank paper, even no need to show them, just leave it in the passport.[/QUOTE]
Do you have one of these papers without the red chop already stamped on it? I've only got one from Guangzhou East (one sided) and one from Gongbei (two-sided) but BOTH of them are alreay chopped by those ubiquitous-in-China red stamp by the issuing office.

If you do have an unstamped paper, I'd appreciate it if you could scan it for me to print out. Thanks
[QUOTE]
Freebies - since this an sex board....
I have a few MSN and QQ friends, none of them I met via sex or dating sites. So far had sex with 8 of them. The latest one is a girl from Liaoning that I chat with for about 2 years, real stunner, amazing shape. I thought we will never meet, however, she suddenly moved down to Shenzhen.
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Yowich!! TWO years???!!!
Man - that's what I call perseverance!! (and such a waste of time and effort whilst you could have spend such time much more productively by just popping a WG beauty which would have been 100% to your spec - and perhaps even building up a relatiionship with?)
[QUOTE]

Of course we met, once, then the 2nd time we had sex. The working situation in SZ is terrible, salary is only around 1500 or so. So naturally I am ask to help a little, in cash. Usually I don't mind. The great thing about freebies is of course that it's more GF like and that you can do DATY, which I would never do with a P4P girl. So far so good, otherwise the sex is pathetic. I think she's the most boring type I ever met, she doesn't like give BJs, she reluctantly does handjobs. She likes getting orals, but prefers to lie about and telling me she doesn't like them. Now I get shopping lists for skin creams and shampoos. Should be TheBodyShop or other expensive stuff, of course I don't buy any. I wouldn't mind in exchange for great sex - but now I think I let it fade out.[/QUOTE]

And how is it a true Feebie if you still need to "help a little, in cash"?? And since she ain't no sex machine - why even bother? After all, you ARE still paying her for sex.

Like I said, in trying to get freebies, I see lots of guys having to settle for second best, third or even worse..... and the expenses are not only gonna mount up - from my experience with freebies, they usually pop out of the clear blue sky and when one is least inclined to want to pay.

Just IMHO and observation which I hope no one takes offense to.

SEAJ

DayNight ... Bad news. Unless she becomes a sex machine then no shampoo; either she turns into a six pack of beer or you need to press the eject button.
[QUOTE=DayNight]The latest one is a girl from Liaoning that I chat with for about 2 years, real stunner, amazing shape. I thought we will never meet, however, she suddenly moved down to Shenzhen.

Of course we met, once, then the 2nd time we had sex. The working situation in SZ is terrible, salary is only around 1500 or so. So naturally I am ask to help a little, in cash. Usually I don't mind. The great thing about freebies is of course that it's more GF like and that you can do DATY, which I would never do with a P4P girl. So far so good, otherwise the sex is pathetic. I think she's the most boring type I ever met, she doesn't like give BJs, she reluctantly does handjobs. She likes getting orals, but prefers to lie about and telling me she doesn't like them. Now I get shopping lists for skin creams and shampoos. Should be TheBodyShop or other expensive stuff, of course I don't buy any. I wouldn't mind in exchange for great sex - but now I think I let it fade out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Do you have one of these papers without the red chop already stamped on it? [/QUOTE]

同志, you need to read my posts more careful!

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=888014&postcount=1424[/url]

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Yowich!! TWO years???!!!
Man - that's what I call perseverance!![/QUOTE]

Oh no, we are just chat friends. I never expected to see her. The sex idea only came up after she moved to SZ.

But it's really no point to bother about bad sex as long as I still have healthy hands. Not sure I will see her again, I doubt there will be improvement.