[QUOTE=Villainy;2920718]Your next comment belies your ignorance of the law.[/QUOTE]No, that's not what that word means. The comment demonstrates or epitomizes his ignorance and belies oh let's see, truth, reality, stuff like that.
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[QUOTE=Villainy;2920718]Your next comment belies your ignorance of the law.[/QUOTE]No, that's not what that word means. The comment demonstrates or epitomizes his ignorance and belies oh let's see, truth, reality, stuff like that.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2920718]Seriously dude, your arrogance knows no bounds. We all know how to use Google. You want to understand the 34 counts? Here is an explanation to help you understand..[/QUOTE]LOL. And you still cannot list even five of them. You guys keep going on about 34 counts and cannot even list what the crimes are.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2920718]Your next comment belies your ignorance of the law. It doesn't matter when the crime was discovered it is relevant when it was committed.[/QUOTE]Man, you cannot get anything right. Presidents have near total immunity on many, many matters so when it happens was huge. And the alleged "crime" was election interference but the expense only had to be reported after the election, so the whole concept of making a porn star payout as election interference is bogus.
You seem to think that Trump's employee who logged in legal expense and it being used as a porn star payout was illegal. The whole hush money payout, if it was illegal, was a misdemeanor at best. It had to be tied in with election interference to be a crime, and it did not interfere with the election because of the dates involved, and a hush money payout is not exclusive to an election, so once more, you cannot prove election interference.
And you seem to have missed the part where the FEC (Federal Elections Commission) looked into this case and did nothing. So they fucked up and 12 jurors who did not even have full access to all the information, including why the FEC did not even fine Trump, were right? From two witnesses everyone knows were lying their fucking asses off? How fucking stupid is that?
And now you seem to think you know more than the FEC too. You can't even list five of the 34 counts. We got Xpartan who is literally doing the mental masturbation thing where he swears there were Republicans on the jury. We got Tooms who says the jury did not even need to know beyond a reasonable doubt to convict, and the sad part of it all is you are all a bunch of mongers who are illegally banging or banged hookers in the USA. Oh, and jury composition does not matter. If you were charged with banging hookers in front of a bunch of fellow mongers versus a bunch of scorned housewives who were cheated on by a prosecutor saying he was going after mongers and was elected on that, it would not matter? Rule of law would prevail? Give me a fucking break.
But I cannot believe you guys even want to talk about it. The polls showed the conviction did nothing except put over $200 million in Trump's pocket which if you are a Democrat was stupid. It is also stupid that you are saying you are protecting Democracy while putting your opponent in jail over a bookkeeping entry.
But what else is new? Fauci just admitted that the 6 foot social distancing rule was not based on science. He admitted that the mandate with masks for children was not based on science. He also said the vaccines were not working at the same time they were being mandated. He admitted to all that. If the USA had travel bans, he would have been quizzed on that. Yet you still think they were great ideas. So you think everyone is on your side when in fact the "experts" you so cherish are not with you.
[QUOTE=Huacho;2920862]No, that's not what that word means. The comment demonstrates or epitomizes his ignorance and belies oh let's see, truth, reality, stuff like that.[/QUOTE]I accept that criticism. I should have said "underscores".
[QUOTE=Villainy;2920718]Seriously dude, your arrogance knows no bounds. We all know how to use Google. You want to understand the 34 counts? Here is an explanation to help you understand.
[URL]https://youtu.be/yRR6FYMs9zs?si=-snPaVq2PcOP01rg[/URL]
Your next comment belies your ignorance of the law. It doesn't matter when the crime was discovered it is relevant when it was committed. Trump falsified business records in order to hide his payment to Stormy. That was the predicate act. Watch the video you might understand the whole process better. Maybe.[/QUOTE]
Agreeing with you Villainy
I love how outside of the courthouse, "people" present evidence, but inside the courtroom. Crickets
The only people who need to understand the 34 counts are the jurors, who happened to listen to 20+ witnesses, had documentary evidence presented to them, and they all agreed that the criminal defendant is GUILTY, of all counts. THE END, until appeal.
I do not understand why anyone continues to go down this path with this person.
MAGA Cult leader. DJT - Convicted of state crimes; indicted in Federal and State courts; found liable for defamation stemming from a sexual assault, almost $100 millions.
Followers:
Manafort. Convicted; prison / Pardon.
Guiliani. Loses law license; indicted in multiple states; loses defamation $ millions.
Jenna Ellis. Pleaded guilty in ATL; will lose law license.
Kracken. Loses law license; indicted ATL.
Roger Stone. Convicted; commuted sentence.
Bannon. Convicted; soon prison.
Peter Navarro. Convicted; prison.
Michael Cohen. Convicted; loses law license; prison.
Flynn. Pled guilty; pardon.
Rick Gates. Pled guilty.
Wisselberg. Pled guilty; prison.
Enrique Tarrio. Convicted; 18 years prison term.
Stewart Rhodes (Oath Keepers) - Convicted; 18 years prison term.
All the fake electors. Indicted in multiple states.
Other Insurrectionists. Indicted; most found guilty or pled guilty; prison or probation.
The list above is probably not exhaustive. And yet there are more following him down this path, still. Their gamble is that he becomes president and pardon them. Here's a thought, in your own life, how many people do you know have been convicted of any crime? And, if the convicted person says I have an idea, do you really want to run with it?
His ecosystem is filled with people who are either convicted or indicted.
Why continue to make excuses for him?
[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2920972]I do not understand why anyone continues to go down this path with this person.
MAGA Cult leader. DJT - Convicted of state crimes; indicted in Federal and State courts; found liable for defamation stemming from a sexual assault, almost $100 millions.
Followers:
Manafort. Convicted; prison / Pardon.
Guiliani. Loses law license; indicted in multiple states; loses defamation $ millions.
Jenna Ellis. Pleaded guilty in ATL; will lose law license.
Kracken. Loses law license; indicted ATL.
Roger Stone. Convicted; commuted sentence.
Bannon. Convicted; soon prison.
Peter Navarro. Convicted; prison.
Michael Cohen. Convicted; loses law license; prison.
Flynn. Pled guilty; pardon.
Rick Gates. Pled guilty.
Wisselberg. Pled guilty; prison.
Enrique Tarrio. Convicted; 18 years prison term.
Stewart Rhodes (Oath Keepers) - Convicted; 18 years prison term.
All the fake electors. Indicted in multiple states.
Other Insurrectionists. Indicted; most found guilty or pled guilty; prison or probation.
The list above is probably not exhaustive. And yet there are more following him down this path, still. Their gamble is that he becomes president and pardon them. Here's a thought, in your own life, how many people do you know have been convicted of any crime? And, if the convicted person says I have an idea, do you really want to run with it?
His ecosystem is filled with people who are either convicted or indicted.
Why continue to make excuses for him?[/QUOTE]We all know their current pat answer for all those guilty pleas and convictions for so many crooks, liars, thieves and con men circling the Trump toilet bowl: "Lawfare"! How else could evil Dems and enemies of Making America Great Again ruin the most perfect economic and national security policy and stewardship results the world has ever known? LOL. They are completely delusional about all of it.
Trump always had at least a tiny handful of spineless, overly forgiving supporters in any investigation or impeachment of his own outrageous criminality and traitorous words and actions to let him slide. Oh, he didn't really mean it, he is too stupid to commit this or that crime, hey, he hosted a sometimes funny game show where his only contribution was to read his script on a teleprompter, he's a harmless, lovable rogue, stop picking on the poor feller. LOL.
Which naturally allowed his cult supporters to mischaracterize all the earlier, overly generous allowances, deferential treatment given him as a potus, all the sliding and so on as "See? They tried everything and couldn't make anything stick! Russiagate! Everything's Rigged"!
So finally he found himself in a room with 12 ordinary Americans willing to look at the facts, the overwhelming evidence, witness testimony and documentation with no personal investment in him and his dumb sucker hillbilly Repub donation money on the line for them to let him slide again.
Meanwhile, an even greater level of delusion has been promoted and encouraged by his and his party's usual beloved pro Repub benefactors in Mainstream Media in order to continue the delusion that so much as a day during Trump's entire presidency was "better" on actual, provable, inarguable factors of the economy and national security or, more pertinent, because of Donald Trump vs the America of today under and most certainly thanks to Joe Biden:
[B]Worse than inflation: Let's remember Trump's real record in office.
Anyone who looks back on the Trump years as a golden time when things were so much better isn't remembering reality.
June 7, 2024[/B]
[URL]https://www.salon.com/2024/06/07/worse-than-inflation-lets-remember-real-record-in-office/[/URL]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2920714]
The fact of the conspirators' under oath and unchallenged testimony and the written, documented and unchallenged description of the scheme along with the unchallenged audio recording of the instigator, director and sole beneficiary of the scheme[/QUOTE]Solely Trump huh? If Stormy Daniels was not paid and did not benefit, then the case should be dismissed. If this case was not such bullshit, you should be able to explain it easily.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2920714]how he was going to pay all that money without the words "election / campaign expenses" being anywhere in it (do Wingers in the bubble even know that exists?) was all the jurors needed in order to convict him of those 34 Felonies.[/QUOTE]Nope. Totally wrong.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2920714]No additional conviction of the ultimate crime for which the Business Report Falsification was done in another trial is necessary under NY State Law[/QUOTE]Then that law is unconstitutional. The Sixth Amendment guarantees the right to know who your accusers are and the nature of the charges and evidence against you.
You still do not get what happened.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2921012]Solely Trump huh? If Stormy Daniels was not paid and did not benefit, then the case should be dismissed. If this case was not such bullshit, you should be able to explain it easily.
Nope. Totally wrong.
Then that law is unconstitutional. The Sixth Amendment guarantees the right to know who your accusers are and the nature of the charges and evidence against you.
You still do not get what happened.[/QUOTE]I knew it didn't matter which if any of the illegal reasons the jury chose to convict him of those 34 Felonies by the end of the prosecution's opening statement day.
Why or how couldn't Trump have known it?
Is all of this just part of Trump trying to swing his and his Crime Family's favorite criminal / civil litigation defense, that they are Too Stupid to commit the crime?
Weren't there several Wingers here championing this bogus book and movie helping to spread America-hating Trump's Big Lie as all anyone needs to read and see in order to be convinced that Biden stole the 2020 election as has now been proven in a court of law that Trump stole the 2016 election?
[B]Dinesh DSouza election fraud film, book 2000 Mules pulled after defamation suit.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/31/dinesh-dsouza-election-film-2000-mules-pulled.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Former President Donald Trump, who lost to Biden, embraced 2000 Mules, screening the film at his Florida club Mar-a-Lago.
But since then, the claims made in the movie and the book, which was published by Salem Medias subsidiary Regnery Publishing, have been systematically debunked by journalists and law-enforcement officials.
Late last year, attorneys for True the Vote admitted in a Georgia court that they could not produce any documents to back up allegations about ballot stuffing in the 2020 presidential election in that state, which Biden won.[/QUOTE]And, no, none of us has to enumerate and fully explain each and every one of those 2000 wholly unsubstantiated claims for each and every one of those 2000 Mules in order to legitimately dismiss the entire book and movie as total America-hating crap.
As I am sure every America-hating Trumpian Winger would demand of us so they can sleep well at night knowing none of us did or had to.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2921045]Weren't there several Wingers here championing this bogus book and movie helping to spread America-hating Trump's Big Lie as all anyone needs to read and see in order to be convinced that Biden stole the 2020 election as has now been proven in a court of law that Trump stole the 2016 election?
[B]Dinesh DSouza election fraud film, book 2000 Mules pulled after defamation suit.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/31/dinesh-dsouza-election-film-2000-mules-pulled.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
And, no, none of us has to enumerate and fully explain each and every one of those 2000 wholly unsubstantiated claims for each and every one of those 2000 Mules in order to legitimately dismiss the entire book and movie as total America-hating crap..[/QUOTE]Actually, Trump's own AG Bill Barr stated that the Justice Department checked out all the allegations enumerated in DSouza's film "2000 Mules" and they found the claims to be without merit.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2921038]I knew it didn't matter which if any of the illegal reasons the jury chose to convict him of those 34 Felonies by the end of the prosecution's opening statement day.[/QUOTE]Now that it appears to no longer matter. Here are the 34 charges: [URL]https://www.newsnationnow.com/trump-investigation/donald-trumps-34-criminal-charges/[/URL].
All of these charges occurred in 2017 and had a 2 year statue of limitations. There is five year statue if the falsification of business records was due to cover up or facilitate a crime. Given that there was no proof of any of the three crimes laid out and they were not announced until closing arguments, the crimes could have been paying for murder, kidnapping, or assault. And the jury was instructed if 4 of you think he paid for murder, 4 of you think he paid for kidnapping, and 4 of you think he paid for assault, that is okay, you can and should still find him guilty. At worst, this was a misdemeanor repeated 34 times but one where the statue of limitations had run out.
The key part of this case was Cohen. [URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charges-conviction-guilty-verdict/[/URL]
Cohen was the only witness who testified that Trump knew about the true purpose of the reimbursements, a crucial pillar of prosecutors' effort to show Trump's intent.
Anyone in the monger world knows or should know that there is gray in the law. You can pay for dinner or for time or buy a gift but you cannot pay directly for sex. Thing about the law is it very hard to get a conviction if you went to a lawyer and he told you something was okay. So to convict Trump you have to believe he was the mastermind and Cohen was the innocent victim who knew it was illegal and stupidly went along for the ride. Give me a break.
It is way more likely Cohen put this payment in the gray area of the law and if the FEC looked at it, they would do nothing, and that is exactly what happened.
But if you want to talk stupid, look at the next post.
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mistrial-trump-hush-money-judge-suggests-juror-may-have-had-predetermined-guilty-verdict[/URL]
So the NY Supreme Court has a website and someone wrote: Thank for all the hard against the MAGA crazies! My cousin is a juror on Trump's criminal case and they are going to convict him tomorrow according to her. Thank you New York Courts!!
This looked like one of Spidy's dumb posts, and at first glance, it should be taken as seriously as one of Spidy's posts. However, this comprised hack of a judge has taken it seriously and sent a letter to both sides yesterday suggesting this poster was legitimate. A woman on Twitter identified herself as a defense lawyer and said there is no doubt in her mind that this means mistrial.
[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2920964]The only people who need to understand the 34 counts are the jurors, who happened to listen to 20+ witnesses, had documentary evidence presented to them, and they all agreed that the criminal defendant is GUILTY, of all counts. THE END, until appeal.[/QUOTE]Just like Tooms had Trump guilty before the case was even presented, it appears now that the jurors were in the same boat.
And you kind of missed something else. There was the public as a whole. [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-has-raised-400-million-one-week[/URL].
On May 30th, Donald Trump was found guilty on 34 counts of. Falsifying records of something, no one really quite knows what. A week later on June 6th, Trump announced that he has raised $400 MILLION since the verdict.
The sixth amendment says that citizens have a right to a jury of their peers at trial, and the typical Democratic douche excuse for this $400 million is the people giving it are stupid, but there is no intelligence requirements on one's peers. If you are a judge and someone is convicted in your court room, and that person gets $400 million in donations in the one week following the verdict, you fucked up.
So the net effect of this fiasco is Democrats have completely shattered whatever faith Americans had in the justice system and Trump walks free with $400 million in hand. Way to go Democrats!
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2921135][URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mistrial-trump-hush-money-judge-suggests-juror-may-have-had-predetermined-guilty-verdict[/URL]
So the NY Supreme Court has a website and someone wrote: Thank for all the hard against the MAGA crazies! My cousin is a juror on Trump's criminal case and they are going to convict him tomorrow according to her. Thank you New York Courts!!
This looked like[/QUOTE]This sounds just like a typical provocation straight out of the Trump / Putin Joint Disinformation Manual.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2921135][URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mistrial-trump-hush-money-judge-suggests-juror-may-have-had-predetermined-guilty-verdict[/URL]
So the NY Supreme Court has a website and someone wrote: Thank for all the hard against the MAGA crazies! My cousin is a juror on Trump's criminal case and they are going to convict him tomorrow according to her. Thank you New York Courts!!
This looked like one of Spidy's dumb posts, and at first glance, it should be taken as seriously as one of Spidy's posts. However, this comprised hack of a judge has taken it seriously and sent a letter to both sides yesterday suggesting this poster was legitimate. A woman on Twitter identified herself as a defense lawyer and said there is no doubt in her mind that this means mistrial.
Just like Tooms had Trump guilty before the case was even presented, it appears now that the jurors were in the same boat.
And you kind of missed something else. There was the public as a whole. [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-has-raised-400-million-one-week[/URL].
On May 30th, Donald Trump was found guilty on 34 counts of. Falsifying records of something, no one really quite knows what. A week later on June 6th, Trump announced that he has raised $400 MILLION since the verdict.
The sixth amendment says that citizens have a right to a jury of their peers at trial, and the typical Democratic douche excuse for this $400 million is the people giving it are stupid, but there is no intelligence requirements on one's peers. If you are a judge and someone is convicted in your court room, and that person gets $400 million in donations in the one week following the verdict, you fucked up.
So the net effect of this fiasco is Democrats have completely shattered whatever faith Americans had in the justice system and Trump walks free with $400 million in hand. Way to go Democrats![/QUOTE]Sure. Trump never understood nor knew nor asked what the Election Fraud purpose was in the Trump Org Conspiracy To Steal The 2016 Election when he authorized those payments to Cohen.
All 34 times.
Brilliant, hands-on businessman.
Was he already suffering from the now blatantly obvious serious cognitive impairment he exhibits at every public appearance back then? That should have been the central defense argument; "Not only would he have been too stupid to commit this crime even at his most cognitively competent state back in the early 1980's, but now can't identify his own wife in a photo and thinks WWII has not happened yet".
That jury as well as any jury anywhere would have produced a unanimous 34 count acquittal after only 10 minutes of deliberation with 9 of them spent checking the boxes on the form.
Even the obviously pro Trump-biased lady in Villainy's otherwise very good overview of the case and trial linked video did not once mention a potential problem with the Statute of Limitations on any count or factor in the case. And she was really looking hard for anything that could be used on appeal or to overturn it.
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2921135][URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mistrial-trump-hush-money-judge-suggests-juror-may-have-had-predetermined-guilty-verdict[/URL]
So the NY Supreme Court has a website and someone wrote: Thank for all the hard against the MAGA crazies! My cousin is a juror on Trump's criminal case and they are going to convict him tomorrow according to her. Thank you New York Courts!!
This looked like one of Spidy's dumb posts, and at first glance, it should be taken as seriously as one of Spidy's posts. However, this comprised hack of a judge has taken it seriously and sent a letter to both sides yesterday suggesting this poster was legitimate. A woman on Twitter identified herself as a defense lawyer and said there is no doubt in her mind that this means mistrial.
Just like Tooms had Trump guilty before the case was even presented, it appears now that the jurors were in the same boat.
And you kind of missed something else. There was the public as a whole. [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-has-raised-400-million-one-week[/URL]. [/QUOTE]
(...kkkk!) Elvis 2008, pure utter rubbish, as usual! Way to suck the life out of common sense, thinking!
Our resident INCEL consipiracist, continues to out do himself and trot-out the utter rubbish and twitter nonsense as "proof" and "evidence" of facts, with zero journalistic integrity from the shit he finds, reads and believes. The gullible idiots, propagating the lies and pretexts from the Twitter (and Russian) slave masters of chaos and disinformation, is only evidence that idiots can be very useful.
But by all means continue to post your absurdity about CONVICT Trump's innocence...I do enjoy a good laugh! Your conspiracy fantasies and flights fancy are VERY ENTERTAINING!
BTW, I can't wait, but when's your next episode of [b]"Paycheck Superhero"[/b], due out?
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2921135]So the net effect of this fiasco is Democrats have completely shattered whatever faith Americans had in the justice system and Trump walks free with $400 million in hand. Way to go Democrats! [/QUOTE]
(...kkkk!) Repubs did that long ago and time and time again, after the many failed presidencies and economies. As for back as crooked Nixion! Trump is just the most recent incarnation of the corrupt and crooked Repub Reich.
Yeah, the Repub Reich, talk a good talk, about the Rule of Law, but ONLY when it doesn't apply them! But there are ALWAYS consequences!
Elvis 2008, here you are whining again, when you should be looking at the bright side of things? You see, while the Dems, do indeed get their GUILTY felon and criminal conviction, the Trumpster, gets to siphon another $400 Million from gullible Repubs. (...kkkk!) [i][b]Sounds like a WIN-WIN to me![/b][/i]
Hey, maybe Trumpster should reconsider his stalling tactics on his other trials? Just think of [b]how much more he could siphon from gullible Repubs,[/b] with a GUILTY verdict from those trials? (...kkkk!)
Just think, of all the episodes of "Paycheck Superhero", you could write, if Trump was also found GUILTY, in the other trials he's been dodging. Where you could regale, pontificate and entertain, us Dems, with all your fantastic tales of how you had to wait 10-hours on the phone, to donate to Trump, because lines were busy with all the other gullible donors...kkkk!
Personally, I can wait for such heroic tales!