Manila

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1870892]Good reports, keep them coming. As for finding EDSA expensive, wait till you get to Burgos. Also, if my memory serves me right the barfine in EDSA is 1950 P. Probably rounding off error?[/QUOTE]Yeah BF 1950 - bit like Kl spas 198 - yeah let's just say 200!

50 peso = 1 US, 2 MYR = less than 1 US. Surely some people don't count their pennies, do they?

[QUOTE=Cool;1872383] Beware fellows because those extra pisos Donald gives goes into their young / handsome Filipino boyfriends' pocket. Their boyfriends' enjoy going to the finest restaurants on your dime. Must be nice earning 3 days salary for a hour of labor. Most of these women do not respect 75% of foreigners. A lot of the drink sluts do well since they are in position to decline 10+% of barfine propositions. For mongers that got sure go for it. But that does not mean she will like the guy who paid her double her rates more than the guy who shagged for free or jollibees.[/QUOTE]Interesting that you think tipping a girl Php5-10 is "paying fairly. " Try that with a girl from Burgos and see what happens. I don't know the source of your blanket generalizations, but, for the most part, I believe they're incorrect while Donald, who speaks from long and varied experience is correct. There's no doubt that over the past few years it's gotten more expensive here, and most of the ladies, regardless of the bar fine you've paid, expect a minimum of Php3,000; a far cry from the Php10 to which you've referred.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1872729]Interesting that you think tipping a girl Php5-10 is "paying fairly. " Try that with a girl from Burgos and see what happens. I don't know the source of your blanket generalizations, but, for the most part, I believe they're incorrect while Donald, who speaks from long and varied experience is correct. There's no doubt that over the past few years it's gotten more expensive here, and most of the ladies, regardless of the bar fine you've paid, expect a minimum of Php3,000; a far cry from the Php10 to which you've referred.

GE.[/QUOTE]All girls are not equal as far as body, youth, beauty, and personality. Yes, they can hope and aspire for 3 k but the market may not allow that. Is 3 k fair from freelancers who have cut out the bar? Also I have seen some girls that were hotter than higher priced / tier girls. Plus for your 3 k your not assured of a winner. Note: I am not an older white man. Value is subjective but as someone else say WGs outnumber customers especially customers who just want to drink and look and not barfine. I was not referring to myself and don't practice those habits. Did you glean that I was over tipping my first 10 weeks? Some guys avoid weekend nights or just look at the big Korean bars and shop elsewhere. Your partially right. Bargain shopper have different venues and should be able to find entertainment that fit their budget. The girl can reject their proposal. Funny, you never talk about their fellow Asians screwing them over. How much is there bar paying them if they sell no drink and voluntary / involuntary have no barfine? ($2-$12) What is a bar to do when their girls reject most of their barfine proposals. Lose the wise customers that run away from the drink sluts? Also with the 5 pisos I was referring to waitresses on drinks and food. I've heard of guys tipping girls nothing. Especially in Latin America.

I happen to agree with Cool: I am a generous guy but not THAT generous. Maybe it is my rugged good looks and guitar-playing charm but I don't pay those prices and still have a lot a sexy 20-something fun.

[QUOTE=Cool;1872383]I pay fairly. I had some FLs I met through a NY friend who took the meal deal over board (6 meals total). All mongers cannot afford to overcompensate or the expats that live here full time may have to cut out some sessions a month to compensate. Filipinos will take advantage of you. When I first arrived I was over tipping for 10 weeks until I ran across a Phil website. I noticed older white males tipping only 5 and 10 pisos. I asked my expat friend who has 40 years of experience here and he coached me on the market rate. It's best to stay at market rate for the brotherhood or you drive up prices for the next fellow. At first I had to make sure a pinay didn't hack your account like Tunsil the NFL draft pick (MIA). Beware fellows because those extra pisos Donald gives goes into their young / handsome Filipino boyfriends' pocket. Their boyfriends' enjoy going to the finest restaurants on your dime. Must be nice earning 3 days salary for a hour of labor. Most of these women do not respect 75% of foreigners. A lot of the drink sluts do well since they are in position to decline 10+% of barfine propositions. For mongers that got sure go for it. But that does not mean she will like the guy who paid her double her rates more than the guy who shagged for free or jollibees.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=DCups;1872799]I happen to agree with Cool: I am a generous guy but not THAT generous. Maybe it is my rugged good looks and guitar-playing charm but I don't pay those prices and still have a lot a sexy 20-something fun.

.[/QUOTE]I generally find girls in Manila are more streetwise and there is far more money floating around Manila so girls expect more. But I guess it does depend on what you seek / accept. An average looking girl may accept happily less then 3 K. But I will quote a few examples where I find 3 K for good looking young girls is unrealistic. Maybe also my view is tainted by poor negotiation skills and I am always transparent upfront so there is no confusion afterwards.

A stunner from one website (one of the prettiest I have been with) would not budge off 6 K per meeting (negotiated down from 10 K per meeting). I did show her photo on a previous report. She dumped me for a guy paying her 25 K per month apartment plus allowance (she wouldn't tell me the allowance).

A regular current bar girl I pay 4 K each time I meet. It is 50/50 whether she shows up. She is probably one of the best looking on Burgos. She is currently working so I won't say which bar. She is making 80 K+ per month. A guy took her out of the bar scene for 6 months for 40 K per month plus apartment.

I know these are isolated extreme examples. But I just don't meet naive young attractive girls in Manila who would happily meet me for a few k. I must be in a different Manila.

Gentleman,

I am in the wrong thread. I was referring to AC. I have paid EDSA rates 3 times and got scammed by an EDSA girl the last time I hired a Pinay there. My main emphasis was on his 50+% tipping for LT girls. I know Manila is more expensive. I do not like Makati. I enjoyed Wow Wow Bar 3 years ago but it wasn't the same this winter.

[QUOTE=MsAccount;1872843]I generally find girls in Manila are more streetwise and there is far more money floating around Manila so girls expect more. But I guess it does depend on what you seek / accept. An average looking girl may accept happily less then 3 K. But I will quote a few examples where I find 3 K for good looking young girls is unrealistic. Maybe also my view is tainted by poor negotiation skills and I am always transparent upfront so there is no confusion afterwards.

A stunner from one website (one of the prettiest I have been with) would not budge off 6 K per meeting (negotiated down from 10 K per meeting). I did show her photo on a previous report. She dumped me for a guy paying her 25 K per month apartment plus allowance (she wouldn't tell me the allowance).

A regular current bar girl I pay 4 K each time I meet. It is 50/50 whether she shows up. She is probably one of the best looking on Burgos. She is currently working so I won't say which bar. She is making 80 K+ per month. A guy took her out of the bar scene for 6 months for 40 K per month plus apartment.

I know these are isolated extreme examples. But I just don't meet naive young attractive girls in Manila who would happily meet me for a few k. I must be in a different Manila.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cool;1872383]I pay fairly. I had some FLs I met through a NY friend who took the meal deal over board (6 meals total). All mongers cannot afford to overcompensate or the expats that live here full time may have to cut out some sessions a month to compensate. Filipinos will take advantage of you. When I first arrived I was over tipping for 10 weeks until I ran across a Phil website. I noticed older white males tipping only 5 and 10 pisos. I asked my expat friend who has 40 years of experience here and he coached me on the market rate. It's best to stay at market rate for the brotherhood or you drive up prices for the next fellow. At first I had to make sure a pinay didn't hack your account like Tunsil the NFL draft pick (MIA). Beware fellows because those extra pisos Donald gives goes into their young / handsome Filipino boyfriends' pocket. Their boyfriends' enjoy going to the finest restaurants on your dime. Must be nice earning 3 days salary for a hour of labor. Most of these women do not respect 75% of foreigners. A lot of the drink sluts do well since they are in position to decline 10+% of barfine propositions. For mongers that got sure go for it. But that does not mean she will like the guy who paid her double her rates more than the guy who shagged for free or jollibees.[/QUOTE]I think me and you have different agenda. Burgous i would not touch with a stickfork and even never go close to it. What kind of BF whatever you guys claim are reasonable or not doesn't affect me at all and i am totaly uninterested. We simply hunt from a different segment of girls, which brings me in to mymain point; "don't be afraid I pay what some would consider "top dollars", I am think not and that's 3 k to 5/6 k php." If I continued work as captain(pilot)in Scandinavian Airlines System (SAS) 7 k php is what I made hourly more like 11kphp. I freek out when I hear guys brag about getting freebies and or think a jolly meal is enough providing the girls their nice dick and thats it. Well to each his own.
Thats pure stupid bcs a jolly meal can only keep her full for like a couple of hours. Again I don't think the BG fantast ever are going to understand the mind of my girls but what ive learned over the years is that they are selfproviding, often live in bought or rented apts, have nice work (police, doctor, dentist, cabincrew, gvmnts, biz whatsoever etc etc). I pay what I pay and I think its even cheap what I do pay. But me paying, or what you would call it, overpaying is my choice and still I find it extremely cheap. Sharpen up guys, my girls won't destroy anything in Burgous as they despite the place.
Aaying this an occational BG slips under my radar, its not like i dont fuck her, i do, and i fuck her well. She gets 3k.. Thats it.. To me very small ammount but i dont want to devide what i make into the minute bcs then some of u would go bananas..

[QUOTE=DonaldSucks;1872976]I think me and you have different agenda. Burgous i would not touch with a stickfork and even never go close to it. What kind of BF whatever you guys claim are reasonable or not doesn't affect me at all and i am totaly uninterested. We simply hunt from a different segment of girls, which brings me in to mymain point; "don't be afraid I pay what some would consider "top dollars", I am think not and that's 3 k to 5/6 k php." I pay what I pay and I think its even cheap what I do pay. But me paying, or what you would call it, overpaying is my choice and still I find it extremely cheap. Sharpen up guys, my girls won't destroy anything in Burgous as they despite the place.
Aaying this an occational BG slips under my radar, its not like i dont fuck her, i do, and i fuck her well. She gets 3k.. Thats it.. To me very small ammount but i dont want to devide what i make into the minute bcs then some of u would go bananas..[/QUOTE]There are no different segment of girls in mongering. Philippine girls who are ready to open their legs right away are not doing it because they are horny and just want sex like in western countries without any money involved. Of course if you pay more they are more likely to come to you if you want them again.

Not all mongers can afford to pay a lot. They can hardly manage the airfare, cannot afford to stay at upscale hotels or apartments and cannot afford stunners. Whether what you consider as upscale girls according to your opinion you exclusively find as for sex it does not matter. Everybody is looking for good satisfying sex and company from any girl. If she is good looking arm candy it is a plus. In a place like Philippines even what we consider as well paying jobs the girls I have met say they are making just about to meet ends. They have lot of obligation to family and manage their own needs.

Throwing lots of money around to girls is what happened to Angeles city. I remember few years ago you can get nice young juicy province girls who become GFE and stay all night and fuck any number of times and leave in the morning all for a bar fine. Nobody gave tips and girls did not expect any. You know the story now. Even when I offered to take them for breakfast they declined saying they do not like American style breakfast and they will get cheap food for 20 pesos which they are used to and satisfies them.

What you do is your own business but do not justify as a preacher with your rules.

One of the marvellous things about Manila is that it really does cater to all tastes. If you have the time and energy to cultivate contacts, it's easy to line up freebies (but in my experience, this comes with a fair amount of chatting to establish trust and define expectations). For me the clubs in the Fort are where the real action happens.

If you don't have the time or inclination for that, there's burgos / Havana, where you pay through the nose but ultimately it's pussy on a plate.

The one thing I think we would all agree on is that we're not there to take advantage of girls who voluntarily come over to bump uglies. Those guys that do usually get called out on this forum pretty damn quickly and rightly so.

That's not to say that pinays are innocents in all this. We are know they can be scheming, duplicitous, hypocritical, lying, cheating bitches, but goddamn I love them anyway.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1873001]There are no different segment of girls in mongering. Philippine girls who are ready to open their legs right away are not doing it because they are horny and just want sex like in western countries without any money involved. Of course if you pay more they are more likely to come to you if you want them again.

Not all mongers can afford to pay a lot. They can hardly manage the airfare, cannot afford to stay at upscale hotels or apartments and cannot afford stunners. Whether what you consider as upscale girls according to your opinion you exclusively find as for sex it does not matter. Everybody is looking for good satisfying sex and company from any girl. If she is good looking arm candy it is a plus. In a place like Philippines even what we consider as well paying jobs the girls I have met say they are making just about to meet ends. They have lot of obligation to family and manage their own needs.

Throwing lots of money around to girls is what happened to Angeles city. I remember few years ago you can get nice young juicy province girls who become GFE and stay all night and fuck any number of times and leave in the morning all for a bar fine. Nobody gave tips and girls did not expect any. You know the story now. Even when I offered to take them for breakfast they declined saying they do not like American style breakfast and they will get cheap food for 20 pesos which they are used to and satisfies them.

What you do is your own business but do not justify as a preacher with your rules.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your heads up. You obviously not understand Nything about my girls. Yes I probably have a bigger budget than most but still my girls are very different from a bar girl or a freelancer one. I've did the freelancing in neggining here but then I found out there are other ways to bed them pinays. It has so far been a success. Don't want to chickenfight you through a keyboard and we all pay what we feel is okay. When I pay like 15 min of my actual work time, beeing it is 3 to 5/6 php for a few hrs its my problem. No one of my girls are asking anything and they don't know if they get something. I am not trying to ride the big horse but mentioning Bargirls to me is evaluated as nothing / inch / nada as I've never been in a nasty bar in Phils. Notmy kind of idea of big fun. We just agree to disagree, I meet my "victims" my way and you urs way. I bet they more happy leaving my place than urs if your a cheapo. I don't hardly do repeats. Well a few airlinerelated girls are exceptions happy hunting.

[QUOTE=DonaldSucks;1873027]Thank you for your heads up. You obviously not understand Nything about my girls. Yes I probably have a bigger budget than most but still my girls are very different from a bar girl or a freelancer one. I've did the freelancing in neggining here but then I found out there are other ways to bed them pinays. It has so far been a success. Don't want to chickenfight you through a keyboard and we all pay what we feel is okay. When I pay like 15 min of my actual work time, beeing it is 3 to 5/6 php for a few hrs its my problem. No one of my girls are asking anything and they don't know if they get something. I am not trying to ride the big horse but mentioning Bargirls to me is evaluated as nothing / inch / nada as I've never been in a nasty bar in Phils. Notmy kind of idea of big fun. We just agree to disagree, I meet my "victims" my way and you urs way. I bet they more happy leaving my place than urs if your a cheapo. I don't hardly do repeats. Well a few airlinerelated girls are exceptions happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Whatever you do is your private business. Do not be lulled saying it gives you bragging rights. Nobody I know who go or lives in Philippines brags about the girls they get. You are an exception. Pussy is so easy to come by and nothing to gloat over.

The END.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1873051]Whatever you do is your private business. Do not be lulled saying it gives you bragging rights. Nobody I know who go or lives in Philippines brags about the girls they get. You are an exception. Pussy is so easy to come by and nothing to gloat over.

The END.[/QUOTE]I brag then. I think over the years i brag a lot. U obviously have something against me and my methods. I dont deal with BG or FL's:-) thats it.. Have my own system and it works like a Platinum Rolex:-) I have bragging rights due to freedom of speach if this how u and others view my postings. I am the exception then as i dont even like phils. I like the pukie found here and i find the nice pukie all the time. I am not ashamed saying better pukie than most. I dont have a budget thanks God. The end..

[QUOTE=DonaldSucks;1872976]I think me and you have different agenda. Burgous i would not touch with a stickfork and even never go close to it. What kind of BF whatever you guys claim are reasonable or not doesn't affect me at all and i am totaly uninterested. We simply hunt from a different segment of girls, which brings me in to mymain point; "don't be afraid I pay what some would consider "top dollars", I am think not and that's 3 k to 5/6 k php." If I continued work as captain(pilot)in Scandinavian Airlines System (SAS) 7 k php is what I made hourly more like 11kphp. I freek out when I hear guys brag about getting freebies and or think a jolly meal is enough providing the girls their nice dick and thats it. Well to each his own.
Thats pure stupid bcs a jolly meal can only keep her full for like a couple of hours. Again I don't think the BG fantast ever are going to understand the mind of my girls but what ive learned over the years is that they are selfproviding, often live in bought or rented apts, have nice work (police, doctor, dentist, cabincrew, gvmnts, biz whatsoever etc etc). I pay what I pay and I think its even cheap what I do pay. But me paying, or what you would call it, overpaying is my choice and still I find it extremely cheap. Sharpen up guys, my girls won't destroy anything in Burgous as they despite the place.
Aaying this an occational BG slips under my radar, its not like i dont fuck her, i do, and i fuck her well. She gets 3k.. Thats it.. To me very small ammount but i dont want to devide what i make into the minute bcs then some of u would go bananas..[/QUOTE]So there is a possibility you had free airfare and lodging. Everyone doesn't have a company credit card. While I do not practice cheapskate practices those scenarios happen often. If the local boys got into a bidding war with you foreigners would lose their appeal. Deep pocket and. Asians have messed AC up.

Recent stay in Makati / Malate (don't like Malate but New World Manila Bay Hotel is nice) I've encountered some challenges logisticwice. I need drinking a lot to participate in the playgames and in my last stay I did major fuck up. Having 2 girls arriving same time (socalled double booking). I was so humble when walking down to lobby to fetch one of the girls. By this fetching I saw the other girl sitting around the lobby. I told her / asked her if she would like to wait a few minutes but ahe bailed claiming ivd to many girls (she's right). The other girl seemed unaffected so we went up to room for fucking. They are forgiving girls after all.

Donations; 3/5000 php each time. Relax my girls are to my knowledge not attached to the seedy environment I wouldn't know squat what is cheap or what is generous. In that way I don't feel I am to blame for the neverending debate of the neverending increasing prices (normal for almost everyting in the rest of the world but it seems some think price of pukie should stay the same as 10 years ago here, hehe). My girls are screened from my fake FB and even if I am sure a few seedy girls slips under my radar I know most of them are good hard working girls. Some with god jobs, some with rich parents, some good students and some from the poorer side of life but still honorable women etc etc. There are never any talk about money upfront and if that happens the girl is ditched. I have a live stock from 1700 girls to choose from by now (still growing), so if someone failes my screening process, I just move on to the next one. Another way I do screening is I only do girls able to string together a good sentense or two or they are able to answer one or more question at the same time. This have increased the quality of our short time together considerably as these girls would also be able to talk some sense and not only play their phone / watch cartoons between sessions.

This trip I wanted to try out a new twist just to check how money hungry the girls were so I didn't offer any money at all when session ended. Here are the results;.

27 girls in total. 3 girls stood just waiting and didn't say anything but wouldn't go. This were girls I upfront may suspected slipping under my radar. I gave them 3 K.

2 girls asked humbly for some small cash for transportation. Just to finish up the donation process I gave these two girls 4 K.

22 girls just left more or less happy, but on a few of them and their faces I could see small hesitations but nothing much. I guess this are the girls guys hunting for freebies easily can exploit. They would be to shy to ask anything. Some of you would think feed them a Jolly meal is enough. For the most parts it was no einstein to do the freebierun in Makati but I felt like shit myself. 4 from the 22 remaining were repeatgirls so we are on a different compensation scheduel as they get gifts every now and then but not everytime (cabincrewgirls and above).

To pay my guilt money I have contacted all 18 remaining girls for their real details so I could WU money to them. From the 18 girls 12 of them have responded positivly on my gift request. 6 didn't care for any gift.

Since I like to stay quite and not expose myself to much a friend of mine been handed the task WUing 5 K to each and one of the 12 remaining girls. Feels good.