Jakarta

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2382583]I've never been with her, but I've seen her around often. I think she's either a CJs or BATS girl.[/QUOTE]CJ'S. She has a killer body. Craziest girl I ever met in bed. Plus she has non-stop energy. I have to tell her 3 or 4 times to stop.

Maybe time for you to take the plunge, ha ha ha.

Cheers, Traveler.

I'll be at CJs in a few weeks. My first trip to Jakarta. I'll keep an eye out for her. What does she, or someone like her, usually ask for?

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2382620]CJ'S. She has a killer body. Craziest girl I ever met in bed. Plus she has non-stop energy. I have to tell her 3 or 4 times to stop.

Maybe time for you to take the plunge, ha ha ha.

Cheers, Traveler.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2382620]CJ'S. She has a killer body. Craziest girl I ever met in bed. Plus she has non-stop energy. I have to tell her 3 or 4 times to stop.

Maybe time for you to take the plunge, ha ha ha.

Cheers, Traveler.[/QUOTE]Of the five pics you posted, the one I'd pick would be the chick in the 2nd photo.

What was the total damage? I wouldn't mind taking Smoothy's advice and make her my special friend on New Year's Eve.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2382620]CJ'S. She has a killer body. Craziest girl I ever met in bed. Plus she has non-stop energy. I have to tell her 3 or 4 times to stop.

Maybe time for you to take the plunge, ha ha ha.

Cheers, Traveler.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TravelingTom;2382648]I'll be at CJs in a few weeks. My first trip to Jakarta. I'll keep an eye out for her. What does she, or someone like her, usually ask for?[/QUOTE]Depends on several variables. Where you are from. How you look, smell, talk, behave. What time of the month it is. What day of the week it is. What time of the night it is when you talk to her. What is the footfall like. How is the monger / slag ratio. Where you are staying.

In short, just go with the flow. Talk to her. When she quotes, you either accept or negotiate or walk away depending on what you think is a fair amount. When you negotiate, either she accepts or she walks away. Its your money and no one can tell you how to spend it.

Some very experienced regulars will tell you you should not pay more than 1.5 mn for LT. She might agree only for 2 mn. Now you have to make the call. Will you walk away for $35 or will you take the plunge.

It is said that when your life flashes in front of your eyes, you only regret the things you did not do. Good luck, and report back.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2382703]Of the five pics you posted, the one I'd pick would be the chick in the 2nd photo.[/QUOTE]OK. Well I had an interesting chat with Ano. Maybe you can interpret it:

Initial introductions and she asks to meet for lunch or dinner.

I say ok.

ANO: You know that I'm sugar babe. Sorry just being honest.

ME: What is sugar babe (as it may be different in Asia).

ANO: You don't know what sugar babe mean?

ME: Sex for money. Which is ok with me. You are cute (you and I agree on that one Smoothy).

ANO: Yes I am cute (she agrees too. Ha ha ha).

I get her WhatsApp and the chat continues:

ME: Can you send me pictures. Sends me 4 killer pics.

ME: I definitely want to meet you.

ANO: So we agree.

ME: We agree.

ME: What is the babe rate (referring to the sugar babe thing).

ANO: Rate?

ANO: What rate?

ME: Oops typo.

I had to back out of that rate thing.

The rest is immaterial. Basically what we would do to meet and where.

I was confused that she would state upfront she is a sugar babe and when I ask how much she seems confused.

My only explanation is a language barrier about the word "rate". I usually just ask "rupiah" and get an answer.

I posted the four pictures she sent below.

[QUOTE=TravelingTom;2382648]I'll be at CJs in a few weeks. My first trip to Jakarta. I'll keep an eye out for her. What does she, or someone like her, usually ask for?[/QUOTE]The first night at CJ's was 1. 5 juta. The next 2 times she just came to my hotel for 1. 0.

When are you intown Tom? I arrive Nov 6 thru 14.

Cheers, Traveler.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2382786]ANO: You know that I'm sugar babe. Sorry just being honest.

ME: What is the babe rate (referring to the sugar babe thing).

ANO: Rate?[/QUOTE]She's looking for you to be her full time sponsor, not just a one time fuck for money. I think it's best to avoid girls like that since they are normally a pain in the ass. She's not hot enough to be a sugar babe anyway.

Thanks for the info and very sexy girl brother. I'm there in December. Will be there for a week so thinking I'll try the traditional places like Classic and Travel, maybe Malio. My hotel is very close to Shangri La so I'll probably hit up Bats more than CJs.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2382788]The first night at CJ's was 1. 5 juta. The next 2 times she just came to my hotel for 1. 0.

When are you intown Tom? I arrive Nov 6 thru 14.

Cheers, Traveler.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2382811]She's looking for you to be her full time sponsor, not just a one time fuck for money. I think it's best to avoid girls like that since they are normally a pain in the ass. She's not hot enough to be a sugar babe anyway.[/QUOTE]Smoothy, I think this is sound advice. I guess I couldn't see the forest for the trees. Thanks.

On another issue, Bringing friends along on a first date. Not sure what this means in Indonesia.

I had many dates in the Philippines where they bring a friend along (I assume maybe for safety and comfort). Then the friend was always gone within 15 to 30 minutes. I got very used to that and accepted it as common practice.

By comparison, I had a first date shortly after I arrived to Indonesia in 2014. This was my first time in Indonesia. Her sister worked as administrative staff at Shangri-La and introduced us. I take Widy to dinner and next thing I know her girlfriend shows up and joins us for dinner at an expensive fucking Japanese restaurant (her pick naturally). At the end of diner we go our separate ways and I am stuck with a 3 million dinner tab. I got sucker punched on that one, but at least I learned my lesson. This was scamming on a scale I had never seen before. I took my girlfriends whole family (12 people) for dinner in the Phils and it cost me like $70 usd, and I was happy to do it. This was over $200 for 3 people.

I had another similar situation months later, where a supposed IC date shows up, with a friend in tow. We walk to Blok M mall in search of dinner. Of all the places to eat in the Mall, they choose Burger King. So I am initially relieved, until we order and I realize they are ordering 2 of everything! It was all in Bahasa so it took me a while to figure out what was going on, but as I saw the cash register total keep climbing; and not wanting to relive the earlier tragedy on a smaller scale, I finally stopped the cashier, cancelled the order and got everyone a #1 value meal. Went back to hotel, chatted for an hour and never got together again.

"Friend" experiences in Indonesia have not been good for me. So my question is, do I allow friends or not. Or do I allow friends and let it be known I am only paying for my dates dinner.

I am generally a nice guy; go with the flow, but also realize I am not a Bank either.

Thanks for all the advice. I hope it helps others as well.

Cheers, Traveler.

This forum has been invaluable to me for over a decade and a half. I try to contribute useful information whenever I can, to help others, just like I've been helped.

This new social media approach specifically _ Tinder and Badoo _ has turned out to be a roller coaster ride of epic proportions. I started using information from the forum as my starting point. I am learning nuances every day. Once I think I have my brain wrapped around this enough to provide others here on the forum with useful & valuable information, I will write a report.

Cheers, Traveler.

I'm just going by my experience as I have told you, sometimes these freelancers / non-pro girls does get in to my nerves due to being over dramatic and greedy. I think it's a common culture both in Indonesia and Philippines (not so much in Thailand, Malaysia) to tag a friend along just for the sake of having a wingman (wing woman I assume) in case things goes sideways and easy to bail out. But then, I came across girls who would purposely go to expensive places just to rack up the bills because you, me, dick and Harry makes more money than them and they can garnish us while they gives us the impression that there is a pussy at the end of the dinner. Sometimes they would even dream of taking her and her family on "staycation" which I have experienced that more In Philippines though compared to Indonesia.

I know 2 MILF in Philippines one of them is still eagerly waiting for me to meet the family in Tagaitai and another one wants to bring her friend with her for the entire time she would stay with me. When I asked both who is going to pay for them! Straight answer was "of course you" apparently it's a common culture for man to take care of the bill! Well not in my dictionary. LOL.

Coming back to Indonesia, I have met 1 virgin once out of bekasi who would be naked in bed with me and work on my shaft but wouldn't let me penetrate unless I marry her, WTF! I ended up kicking her out of my room and had called my regular hooker.

On a different occasion, I had met another lactating single mom who has a cute daughter and father is unknown because she was too drunk! Guess what, she would lay on my bed stark naked, let me suck on her tits but wouldn't let me fuck her because she wouldn't want to commit anymore Sin! Again wtf? I literally told her, it's too late for committing anymore sin and asked her to leave, called another hooker, fucked her brains out then next day changed hotel because lactating MILF was back at the lobby.

3rd occasion, my all time favorite regular Sundanese MILF, dropped dead pretty with amazing but slightly saggy boobs, has been wanting me to meet her family for 3 years in a row now but I'm definitely not getting hitched to her and every time I say no to "Meet the Fockers" she would throw tantrums and leave, LOL. She even showed tantrum when I took her to Bangkok for a peaceful fuck which ended up being another tantrum of meeting family once back in Jakarta because she had told her family that she is with me. Well, I flew to KL while she flew back to Jakarta.

So, after countless of similar experiences and drama and free entertainment! If I end up meeting any girl from social media, I make one thing very clear "you are coming to meet me alone in a public place" So that they can't pull the safety card of meeting a complete stranger and I choose the venue. If they complain about McDonald's or any fast food joint, my simple answer "I'm from North America and that's what we eat" LMAO.

For rest of the mongering life.

I have shifted my desire towards my regular non-pro WG in Bangkok if I happen to be there once in a blue moon.

Kuala Lumpur. Tried and tested escort agencies and few local friends with whatever connections they have.

Indonesia. Classic, Kimochi, Sumo, KI, and on the very last day MILF that's "in love with me" so that I can make an excuse to GTFO next morning.

Hope that gives you a brief idea about Asian girls, specially Indonesian and my strategy of dealing with them.

Happy Safe Mongering!

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2383029]Smoothy, I think this is sound advice. I guess I couldn't see the forest for the trees. Thanks.

On another issue, Bringing friends along on a first date. Not sure what this means in Indonesia.

I had many dates in the Philippines where they bring a friend along (I assume maybe for safety and comfort). Then the friend was always gone within 15 to 30 minutes. I got very used to that and accepted it as common practice.

"Friend" experiences in Indonesia have not been good for me. So my question is, do I allow friends or not. Or do I allow friends and let it be known I am only paying for my dates dinner.

I am generally a nice guy; go with the flow, but also realize I am not a Bank either.

Thanks for all the advice. I hope it helps others as well.

Cheers, Traveler.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2383029]"Friend" experiences in Indonesia have not been good for me. So my question is, do I allow friends or not. Or do I allow friends and let it be known I am only paying for my dates dinner.

I am generally a nice guy; go with the flow, but also realize I am not a Bank either.[/QUOTE]The rule is the same all over the world. Nice guys get killed first.

This is not a judgement on you, but you really need to man up and tell these chicks to FO when the idea of a friend is brought up. There are plenty of fish in the ocean, don't get fixated on one. In my previous post I mentioned about regretting the stuff you do not do, but it comes with a caveat of not bleeding yourself dry while doing it.

Personally, amateurs have been a great option for me, and only once have I got burned. Several years back when Red Square was still open. I was at a coffee shop in Senopati, where I took fancy to a waitress. Chatted briefly and exchanged numbers. Agreed to meet the next day and she suggested Red Square. That should have set off an alarm. She brought 2 other friends. My cute waitress and her 2 friends drank copious amounts of alcohol and I did not realize all of it was going on my tab. When the waiter got the bill I almost threw up in disbelief. The only saving grace was I fucked the cute waitress that night and all of next day. Only gave her taksi money of 300 K. No complaints from her.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2383122]The rule is the same all over the world. Nice guys get killed first.

This is not a judgement on you, but you really need to man up and tell these chicks to FO when the idea of a friend is brought up. There are plenty of fish in the ocean, don't get fixated on one. In my previous post I mentioned about regretting the stuff you do not do, but it comes with a caveat of not bleeding yourself dry while doing it.
[/QUOTE]Constructive suggestions are always welcome. I asked for advice and I got it. What could be better than that? Pussy galore without friends, that's what!

THANKS, Traveler.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2383122] She brought 2 other friends. My cute waitress and her 2 friends drank copious amounts of alcohol and I did not realize all of it was going on my tab. When the waiter got the bill I almost threw up in disbelief.[/QUOTE]Good info.

Note to self: Always advise waiter / waitress in advance who I am paying for and NOT paying for.

Thanks, Traveler.

PS. I enjoy reading all your reports. Always good information to be found there. CHEERS!!!