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Email from a bar girl:

"thanks for pic ii will send you as well but I think you had many my photo honey but I didn't have photo myself funny!

I waiting for your coming back to me and always to waited you.

I want to see my teerak see your sweet eyes your smell this I remember never forget.

Honey when you come to Thailand don't forget buy parfume from there for me,

Miss you a lots and like you all the ways and like you alone, jub jub"

Such a cute email but yet it illustrates the bar girl mentality very well.

Woman lied to boyfriend over visit to fiancé

By Louise Dickson, Times Colonist February 9, 2011.

A Thai woman was already living with her new Canadian boyfriend in Bangkok when she visited her former fiancé in Los Angeles in December 2007, a B. C. Supreme Court trial in Victoria heard Tuesday.

Tensions were running high at David Goldberg's attempted murder trial as defence lawyer Ray Dieno began his cross-examination of Goldberg's exfiancée, Tatcha Aroonjaratsang.

Goldberg, a former Boeing engineer, is charged with the attempted murder of Aroonjaratsang and her husband, Jeremy Walsh, in Saanich on the night of Sept. 24, 2008. Goldberg is also charged with possessing explosive materials.

"You played Mr. Goldberg like a dupe," Dieno said, raising his voice."You took his money."

When prosecutor Nils Jensen objected to Dieno's treatment of the witness, Justice Geoffrey Gaul told Dieno that the loud voice was not necessary.

"You met Jeremy in November and you played Mr. Goldberg like a dupe," the defence lawyer continued.

Aroonjaratsang, a petite woman with long, dark hair, shook her head.

"No, I didn't do anything to him. I planned to have a good relationship with him and he showed me living with him wasn't good for me."

The court has heard that Aroonjaratsang and Goldberg met online in July 2007 and became engaged on Sept. 22, 2007, in a traditional ceremony in Thailand. Following Thai custom, Goldberg gave Aroonjaratsang's mother $27, 000 in gold bars as an engagement present.

Dieno suggested Aroonjaratsang was looking for a relationship to escape Thailand. He accused her of breaching her betrothal to Goldberg and continuing to take his money after she met Walsh in November.

"Yes, I took some. But not the big one," she replied.

In December 2007, Goldberg paid for her plane ticket to Los Angeles where she stayed at his apartment, went skiing and travelled to Hearst Castle. Goldberg also bought her a cat, said Dieno.

"And, all the while, Jeremy was back in Thailand waiting for you," Dieno said, throwing papers onto the defence desk.

At this point, Gaul interrupted the proceedings and told Dieno to refrain from throwing papers.

Aroonjaratsang testified she did not tell Walsh she was visiting Goldberg.

"We were really close. We were living together. I told him I was going to the USA to visit my mother's friend."

"You lied to Jeremy," said Dieno.

"Yes I did," she said.

Aroonjaratsang explained that she had told Goldberg she was seeing someone else, but he would not release her from the engagement.

"He insisted he wanted to see me in the States to make the decision. He wanted to make sure it was what I really wanted."

After visiting Goldberg, Aroonjaratsang broke off the engagement. She married Walsh in the spring of 2008.

As Dieno questioned Aroonjaratsang about a series of emails between her and Goldberg, the accused did not look up. He sat in the prisoner's box taking notes on a laptop computer.

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Taking a break from P4P and decided to mess around on DIA. I'm in my mid twenties and I decided to focus on "older" ladies. For some of them I'm too young. For others they already want a date. Well most of the girls who want a date are from Pattaya so no illusions there, I guess they are into the game as well. Some Isaan ladies too, willing to meet in their hometown. It gets more interesting because I'm in Isaan at the moment.

I don't really have any experience yet outside P4P with these ladies. I guess they know they can't expect a serious relationship with a younger guy so what's the rush?

I'll soon find out. Exciting.

Are a lot of TGs willing to have sex without a condom? Do they charge more or ask for a big tip if this is the service rendered? What about non P4P TG's, do they usually do it uncovered with Thai men and farang? When they do it BB is it because they want a child to take care of them when old, because it feels better, or just because they were in the moment of intimacy? Are female condoms available for sale in Bangkok?

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1126930]Are a lot of TGs willing to have sex without a condom? Do they charge more or ask for a big tip if this is the service rendered? What about non P4P TG's, do they usually do it uncovered with Thai men and farang? When they do it BB is it because they want a child to take care of them when old, because it feels better, or just because they were in the moment of intimacy? Are female condoms available for sale in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]They will do it so you barfine them again. They don't give their health much thought when moneys involved. The ones I have been with said ok to BB straight away.

[QUOTE=Chieftain;1124084]I don't really have any experience yet outside P4P with these ladies. I guess they know they can't expect a serious relationship with a younger guy so what's the rush?[/QUOTE]I feel for you. I am older than you are and also find it hard as Asian women want an older guy to take care and understand them.

One of my staff came in last week and told me French people are Kee-niao. She met a mid-20s guy and they went to the restaurant, she liked him and would have probably brought him back to her place for desert (if you know what I mean).

Thing is, the guy offered to split the bill. She paid half. When time to leave (they arrived in her car as the restaurant was far) , she told him he can take the bus, and left.

She showed me, the guy apologized many times but she did not answer.

All the other ladies (and gays) in the office told her. 35+ only as below that age, they don't know how to behave.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1133129]All the other ladies (and gays) in the office told her. 35+ only as below that age, they don't know how to behave.[/QUOTE]And of course by "they don't know how to behave" they mean "they don't give me their ATM card on the first date."

[apologies for double posting]

Sometime on this board we have great reports on the psychology of Thai women, be them SW or not. Often these are quite young (sub-30 let's say) , I have to say that by now I kind of know what I'm doing, what they really want, including the fact they don't want me at all times.

But as I grow older I'm getting more intrigued with matures, I'm talking the hot ones even well in their forties. Often I find them much more attractive especially when well dressed and produced. Altough I have to say that so far sex has been better with the young ones I have a feeling that for some kind of long term relationship, an older one may work better. By the way I'm 47 looking a bit younger (hopefully). You think that an older Thai woman psychology is much different from a younger one? Logic would say so but what's your experience? If we go for older non-pro shouldn't we expect a much higher success rate?

Discuss.

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1155039]Same thing for the local girls: a young tall slim fair-skinned university student originating from an upper-middle class family has much more value in Thailand than a mature dark-skinned undereducated mother coming from a poor rural village of Isaan. You might have more fun and better sex with the latter, but the former is higher placed on the local scale of girls' value, and it's obvious for everyone who has spent enough time in Thailand outside of the [url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1147000&viewfull=1#post1147000"]tourist-oriented zoos[/url][/QUOTE]

The debate was started whether a non-pro woman is more expensive than P4P. I can only speak for myself when I say that when the debate was started I was not aware that we were talking about high society non-pros versus whatever type of pro. I never dated rich women in my home country so why would I normally do it in Thailand. Sure we can agree that dating Angelina Jolie or Naomi Campbell we would spend more money than LT with #43 at Rainbow Bar. But how many farang in Thailand are dating or have dated a woman as such here or back home? When I entered into the debate I understood by "non-pro" we were talking about everyday office workers, nurses, schoolteachers, etc. I did not know the debate was to include college students who are driving their father's Rolls Royce or 25 year old corporate executives who are making millions of baht per year.

I am from an average middle class family and have noticed that for the most part people around the world date within their own socioeconomic group. I still hold fast to my observation, experience and hypothesis that a non-pro Thai woman is not as expensive as P4P. If a woman already comes from money why the hell would she need money and gifts from you? It seems to reason that whatever she wanted she could buy for herself or her family would provide for her.

Again, I have been coming to Thailand for 5 years and have been living here 1 year. I am not the settling down type, but of 3 non-pros who I have been involved with consistently over the last 4 years (one is in real estate, one is a school teacher, and one is a government worker) they have never once asked me for any money or any gifts, unless it was something small for their birthday. And even then they could care less what the present was. Sure they have told me many times that they want to marry me and I have told them just as many times that I don't want to get married. But I have never had any of them or any other non-pro ask me for money or gifts. I even have a friend who I have known for the same 4 years that wants me to make a baby with her, yet does not want me to support the baby, raise the baby or even see the baby thereafter.

To me asking for money or gifts is skating in P4P territory. And the several Thais that I have had this talk with have said the same. Maybe the guy starts off trying to play Mr. Big Money and is forced to stay the course. Maybe the girl is just a b*tch (read working girl) to begin with. If you run out of money and the woman is still with you then that is a non-pro. But if you run out of money or stop spending money and likewise went your Thai girl then she was never non-pro to begin with. She was with your money, not with you.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1155133]The debate was started whether a non-pro woman is more expensive than P4P...[/QUOTE]
My response is here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1155240&viewfull=1#post1155240[/url]

Is there a thai word for the farang who sponsors "his" bargirl, the so called walking ATM?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1155133]The debate was started whether a non-pro woman is more expensive than P4P. I can only speak for myself when I say that when the debate was started I was not aware that we were talking about high society non-pros versus whatever type of pro. I never dated rich women in my home country so why would I normally do it in Thailand.

I just read and agree with your report. Any girl that asks or expects money or gifts is just in her mind (and ours) repositioning herself apart from the straight up Pros.

By seeking gifts (typically they are not so subtle) they satisfy themselves that they are not Prostitutes and I think it makes some of us feel better AND for those of us that have walked both sides of that fence do they not actually EXTRACT more money this way?

So I think this new group called semi-pros are smarter and I would suggest typically employed and do see less pipe than a good old fashioned prostitute.

Like this fellow I lived in the Phils and had a couple of real girlfriends that expected nothing more than a normal relationship.

The entire class of semi-pros are created by us mongerers who wish to communicate in crude terms that we do not wish a true relationship but would rather rent their vagina on an "as needed basis".

The girls initially hurt adapt quickly as typically most of us are at least decent in bed as we fuck so much so they get well fucked and rewarded and frankly who would not want this.

Regular Grils.

Semi-Pros we made them and we love them.

Pros, thank god for poor economics!

PP

I live in Thailand. Unlike some other foreigners who do that, I have my (Thai) contacts mostly outside the bar scene and over the years have made a few very good Thai female friends. From all backgrounds, from the farm daughter from Isaan to a high-so ex GF.

They have told me many things about the Thai way of life and about how they see love, money, gifts, faith in a relationship etc.

Some of their comments can be eye openers for a few of you, so let me mention them. Mind you: this is NOT based on Thai woman with foreign man situations, but just on every day Thai life.

* Money and presents: in any relationship (love-sex or whatever) between a woman and (any-foreign or Thai) man, there are two options: or you go for the relationship or you go for the presents / money / taxi money whatever. In almost all cases, sex is not for free. The girl must always have some advantage from it.

Sex really for free happens only between two people of similar age and social status. The moment there is a difference in social status and the relationship is not the purpose, the something is expected. And mind you, if they do not ask for anything it is mostly out of modesty or shyness, not that it is not expected!

* Faith in a relationship: it is very hard to find here. They have a culture of having "gigs" (sex / fun partner without official relationship) many times besides the regular partner. It is very common for a Thai young girl to have an older (Thai) man to "take care" (meaning paying tuition, apartment or whatever) and one or more young guys for fun and love.

So the foreigner getting pissed off finding out his Thai GF has somebody else on the side."welcome to Thailand".

[QUOTE=Nullnull; 1214059]Is there a thai word for the farang who sponsors "his" bargirl, the so called walking ATM?

Thanks![/QUOTE]You mean other than "Stupid"? = &3650; &3591; &3656; (ngôh)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1268417]You mean other than "Stupid"? = &3650; &3591; &3656; (ngôh)[/QUOTE]The "= &3650; &3591; &3656;" was supposed to be Thai Characters. Oh well.