Manila

I was only in Manila for 4 days. I was a machine with a punishing pace moving through the city. I was not on a sex hunt but just wanted to see as much as possible. I went to at least 8 malls in Manila ranging from poor areas to upper class in Makati as well as other social areas. I went to every mall in Davao as well as every social area when I was there. I posted a report in the Davao section. The Havana Cafe in Manila had maybe 5 women in the place and the women did not stand out as freelancers. I viewed very few, if any, freelancers available in any malls. I am sure if I had approached all women and pushed for dates I might have discovered some but this would have taken a lot of effort and getting laid was not my objective but I do know what I saw. With the increase in the internet everywhere I am sure most of these areas have dried up somewhat in recent years. There are street scenes and daytime casas I missed for sure as Manila is a large city with lots of traffic to get around. The Manila monger scene is great IMO. This is based on Burgos Street and The EDSA Complex alone. I could have had amazing sex for awhile if having no budget. Angeles City was a great monger scene as well, just very different. I can see why experienced mongers pass by Manila on their way to Subic or Angeles yet I found hookers to be hotter and better skilled in bed in Manila without the hardcore attitude that usually comes with increased skill. Maybe someone else can describe this better. I found 8's and 9's widely available in EDSA and Burgos Street and I found the sex to be top notch. I am sure there are other areas that are cheaper but I am very confident the service would not have been better. I could have lived off the EDSA alone for a month or more. For someone stuck in Manila on business, the scene is great IMO. Do you really just want to hang in Manila just for the sex though?

Burgos Street, EDSA Complex, and Angeles City are the same as far as the hunt. Go in and order a drink. 100 pesos or so. Don't spend more than 20 minutes in any place. Invite a girl over if you see something you like. Girl drinks are 300 pesos. If nothing clicks move on! This is more important than any other single thing you can do. These entire scenes can be hit in 2 hours or less. Take control of each situation at each place! Don't let them pressure you. If they are aggressive, tell them you just arrived and want to relax. Be sure to spend 100 pesos on a beer, soda, or fruit drink at each place. I was alternating beers with mango drinks at each place to not get too drunk. Leave behind your beer if you need to.

EDSA barfine was 1950 plus 2 k-3 k short time. If you click with a girl she will likely stay all night for nothing more. If you want TLN, ask for this upfront. Burgos Street barfines vary. I only asked about the barfine in a few places and it was 2 k - 2.9 k. Probably 2 k -3 k for the girls ST. I barfined 1 girl ST from Plan be and she stayed all night. Barfine was 2.9 k plus 3 k for the girl. This is about the limit on cost at Plan be. This place was one of the most expensive and nicest places I went to. The attitude in the place was a little hardcore, in comparison to the other places, but I found a nice, new girl. In Angeles I barfined 2 girls and both were 2. 5 k and stayed all night. 2.5 k was all in including barfine and girl in Angeles. I got the impression there was no ST rate as all girls would stay all night. The girls were sweeter in Angeles and more GFE with slightly less bed skill than Manila. In all 3 places mentioned it would have been easy to get these girls for ST, at reduced rates, before their shifts at their night time jobs. I called 2 girls, one multiple times, and it was easy conversing and they answered the phone each time. All 3 places were great mongering environments IMSO.

Angeles was better with regards to convenient infrastructure. I would strongly encourage guys 60+ to visit Angeles. Angeles is a comfortable place for older men to be with younger women, much more so than Manila. Don't fall in love with the women there though! I met women under 20, with full time jobs, who were dating 60+ year old foreigners. These women have rationalized 60+20 equals love and they actually believe it to be true whereas in most places the women and men can see the difference from their prior relationships. Extreme poverty has caused this sacrifice as they told me all of the 40 year old weren't faithful. I will just say their hearts aren't made of gold and the men in Angeles are broken and can't realize this or demand better. 60 year old men should be with mature 35-60 year old women who have high self esteem and better habits. I could go way deeper into this topic but I will leave it at this for now.

I actually gained something from the Phil boards. I went back 20 pages in The Manila thread as well as going back about 5-10 pages in other threads. I gained from the direct sex content as well as the off topic stuff. I felt a need to give back as I finally gained something from these threads unlike the Colombian boards where there is constant infighting. The Medellin brings out the worst in BM's myself included. Is there a more hostile thread than the Medellin Reports thread? I haven't seen one.

I am a capable writer with lots of respected BM friends. I have been living in Latin America for the past 11 years, averaging 3-6 months per year. I could rock the Medellin board with information as I saw horror in that city in my 700 days over the past 4 1/2 years there. I witnessed murder, paramilitary activity, and saw gang members beat up girls due to jealousy by other girls. I moved my Colombian girlfriend, and her kids, out of the house where she lived with her parents due to another girl wanting to have her killed. This was just a small part of my experiences there. I have lots of BM friends over there and none of these guys can even come close to me on overall cultural experiences. During this time my drug use went up (pot smoking) and my health declined. I have been, at times, edgy and disrespectful towards respectable BM's on ISG in the past while in return they were respectful towards me. I received responses like "shame on you for writing this crap! You are capable and this writing is beneath you" or similar. My attitude has sucked at times and again BM's were constructively critical of me. When I rose up against the grain, BM's I didn't even know came out of nowhere to defend me. I deserved worse. I appreciate your guy's support and not being jerks toward me and I would hope you guys would be nicer toward your fellow BM's going forward. Due to the current environment in the Colombian threads I have little desire to write over there. I will write a little more about the Phils as I think of a few more things to say as well.

Why The Face

QUOTE=Why The Face;1884630 60 year old men should be with mature 35-60 year old women who have high self esteem and better habits. / QUOTE.

Speak for yourself and take your "advice" elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1883286]Upon leaving Manila yesterday I arrived at the Manila airport and got my boarding pass on a Philippine Airline flight out of the country. I waited at the assigned gate and about ten minutes before boarding time I didn't notice a lot of people and found out my gate had been changed. I then realized that there was not a single monitor for I think at least 18 departure gates within the International terminal. The only thing I noticed was that there would be placards at the counters for the flights leaving the gates and constant announcements over the loudspeakers. I finally asked a Philippine airline representative about this and they said a lot of passengers where complaining about this but for some reason the "government" would not allow monitors in the Terminal. It was frustrating not to know when a gate change had been made and that my flight had been delayed as well.

Doesn't make sense at all.[/QUOTE]Wanted to laugh, but I shouldn't. This is serious. Out of every 3 flights, I have had gate change in 2. And that too without announcement. So, always keep your eyes out, and watch the people around you. If they suddenly change, you go check at the counter. If there is no one at the counter, start walking and look at other counters and ask. This is common in all the terminals. Just be aware of it.

[QUOTE=DCups;1884829]QUOTE=Why The Face;1884630 60 year old men should be with mature 35-60 year old women who have high self esteem and better habits. / QUOTE.

Speak for yourself and take your "advice" elsewhere.[/QUOTE]You bet. I think I stopped allowing others to assess what is "appropriate" for me when I was about 20. But maybe every board needs a self-righteous moral arbiter.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1885644]But maybe every board needs a self-righteous moral arbiter.[/QUOTE]Haha isn't that normally my job?

Regarding all the talk of girls in SEA being more receptive to Japanese / Koreans / Chinese now, why is this the case? I have noticed this in the Philippines as well.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1885986]Regarding all the talk of girls in SEA being more receptive to Japanese / Koreans / Chinese now, why is this the case? I have noticed this in the Philippines as well.[/QUOTE]Mostly it's because they'll pay 3 times more, and in the sack they'll last 3 minutes. That might be a generalisation, but it's one Phil girls have bought into wholeheartedly.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1886018]Mostly it's because they'll pay 3 times more, and in the sack they'll last 3 minutes. That might be a generalisation, but it's one Phil girls have bought into wholeheartedly.[/QUOTE]Not to mention the 3 inch joystick. Again a generalization, possibly!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1886045]Not to mention the 3 inch joystick. Again a generalization, possibly![/QUOTE]This what girls say. Other choice words are (Needle dick, tooth pick, inchworm to name a few).

[QUOTE=Sammon;1886146]This what girls say. Other choice words are (Needle dick, tooth pick, inchworm to name a few).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1886018]Mostly it's because they'll pay 3 times more, and in the sack they'll last 3 minutes. That might be a generalisation, but it's one Phil girls have bought into wholeheartedly.[/QUOTE]We've heard the old joke: "Three, three, three" (as in 3 inches, 3 minutes, p3000) many times in the past. One afternoon about 7-8 years ago, I took 2 hotties from one of the Santos bars in AC. Between pops, while in light-hearted conversation with the girls, one of them made that exact same joke, then proceeded to explain it to me in detail (like it needs explaining) regarding Asian guys who come to AC.

Another time a pair of Raymond cuties told me of a gringo who was in town barfining multiple girls every night and turning them loose after barhopping, without taking them to his hotel. That's one guy. OTOH, at least a handful of AC girls have told me of rich Asians who do the exact same thing: they have no intention of taking the girl to the hotel, just out for a date. Any wonder the girls like Asian guys?

Manila:

Spent 3 days here at the beginning of the trip. Stayed in the Copacabana Apt. Hotel across the street from the EDSA complex. Did not have enough time to check out LA Cafe as suggested by WestCoast but spent 2 nights pulling from the EDSA complex and one night around Greenbelt Mall before going to Burgos Street.

My first night (Tuesday) was the best talent night (in EDSA) of the days spent in Manila. Got the dream girl. A big tittied spinner. Next night pulled from Plan be which had the best talent. Third night we again played lazy and pulled from EDSA.

Daytime was spent trolling every mall. Managed to catch a fashion show (very pretty models) in one ot the Makati malls, rode the LRT – won't do that again. Not as dangerous as made out but hotter than hades. Ater getting off, the 93 F Manila air felt like air conditioning. Drove 3 hours south to see the crater lake (worth missing).

Overall, Manla is a decent monger destination but it is waaaay to spread out and the city itself is a shithole.

Friday it was on to Angeles. Got a taxi for 2500 php. Tolls were 396 php each way. Checked into the Pacific Breeze. Went to RBI Steakhouse to meet Geoff who my friend told me would show me around and introduce me to some of the bar managers. Angeles was a blurr really as there is nothing to do except drink all day and play all night. Most bar managers are expats with a few Filappinos mixed in. Had a problem at such a bar, called Red Bar or something on Fields. Fcuking manager was padding my bill with his drinks as he thought I was buying. Ya!!

Memorable girl was pulled from Kings Landing that had a strong resemblance to Jessica Rabbit. Very cute and very tight body.

Angeles is a world class monger destination. What is striking are all the retired military types around here. Soldierb11 tells me there are lots there living on their cruddy military pensions. It doesn't go far when you drink all day. They are also hustling to make ends meet, it seems mostly in the food supply business. To each other, expat restaurants and bars etc. I must also admit, I am sick of smoked meat after spending 5 days in Angeles.

Other than Fields, I spent a day shooting pool at Porky's with my new friends and visiting Fire Pit after. Very good talent in Fire Pit. You have to pull fast as if you blink, the girl will be gone.

Subic Bay was next on the list as my friend lives there. Got the ten dollar tour of the base and all the goings on. Unless you are working there, Subic does not have much beyond the obvious on the strip.

Next day, decided to go to Davao. My friend fixed me up and put me in a fast cab. 4500 php and I was in Manila ariport in 3 hours. Davao was a pleasant relief from the rest of the Philippines. You can feel it. The streets are clean. The cabbies dare not cheat you. The monger scene is a little lacking. What I did find was fresh, mostly school girls trying to earn tuition money. Tried all the usual Miss I, Hot Leggs, the streets and park around city hall, Red Dragon in Chinatown. The best was Blue KTV. Walk in and there is nothing. Ask for the lineup and you will be surprised at how many girls are in the building. Cost here was 3 lady drinks at 300 ea and 2500 – 3000 php. Did the walk of shame back at the hotel.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1886173]Newbie Trip Report[/QUOTE]Informative with previously unreported practical insights into AC & Davao, thanks.

We are pleased to present part 1 of 2 in our informative "Thailand vs Philippines" series:

Part 1: Why Manila is a sweltering shithole that should probably be nuked from orbit.

OK so first off my reasoning behind writing this is I asked a bunch of people, "Which is better, Thailand or the PI? A simple question to which I received a myriad of of lengthy drawn out reasonings that led me to conclude the only way I'the actually find out would be to go there. Hats off to the one gent somewhere in this forum who so eloquently described Manila as a "shithole", give this guy a fucking gold star, but I couldn't rely on a single opinion so I hopped the next flight to the PI, aaaaaaaaaaaand.

He was totally right, Manila fucking blows goat balls. I am no stranger to banana republics, and it became apparent minutes after getting off the plane that this would be one of them. I was immediately set upon by two ladies in official looking garments (they looked like airport security) but in fact were taxi scammers. I should have known the minute I refused their taxi (using the excuse that I was looking for this SIM card stand, I actually was) and one of them immediate busts out a SIM card from their fanny pack (ooooooooh k you run taxis AND sell SIM cards? Well) so I bought the stupid card (which ended up being a shit older 3 G only model from Smart) and let them drag me to their stupid taxi, then sat while they got in a shouting match with the driver who had no idea how to get to fucking Greenbelt. The ride took TWO AND A HALF HOURS and cost me 1,850 pesos. I would discover on my return trip to the airport (which took 25 minutes) that the actual price in a metered cab is more like 200 pesos. FUCK, scammed already.

So this clownshit taxista drops me at the condo I've rented in Greenbelt (not without asking for a tip, hey that's not how tips work buddy, also your service sucked) and I thought, "ah, perhaps things are looking up!" because the lobby of this condo building is seriously fucking nice, with a cute concierge! I am impressed. OK up to condo aaaaaaaand my my hopes are instantly crushed. They must have got the guy from National Geographic to shoot the photos for Airbnb- your average Backpage ad provides a more realistic representation. The toilet barely flushed, and later on, would not STOP flushing (I don't actually know what happened as I opted to just leave rather than report it, whatever). I'm on the 19th floor, and looking down on the city I found myself wondering exactly where the Thunderdome was located. Manila from the sky looks like a blasted, post-apocalyptic hellscape plopped down in the middle of a giant swamp.

Things are not looking promising, but you know what? I'm here to party so let's fucking do this. I get showered and dressed and head out to Greenbelt mall, in search of an actual working SIM card and some freelancers / nonpros / whateverthefuckyouwanttocallthem. OK here I have to give some props- Greenbelt mall is really fucking nice. Its actually like 4 or 5 malls connected by catwalks spanning a huge area, several city blocks. Tons of high end stores and great restaurants. Aside from acquiring a working SIM (thanks Globe, fuck you Smart) my goal here was to just get a meter reading on the hotness of typical Pinays. I know a bunch in the States that are hot so I came with high expectations, and again, expectations crushed. In two hours of walking this mall filled with THOUSANDS of girls I came across only two or three I would qualify as "stunners". The rest were exceedingly average, most with the same body style (thin, zero boobs, no ass) I know pinays can be stacked, where are those ones at?? Serious disappointment. Also, for you older gents thinking you are going to hit on nonpros in the malls, THINK AGAIN. I am a younger cat and I stuck out like a sore thumb, everyone knows why you are there, even if you have a legitimate cover story chances are you aren't going to get the chance to lay it out for them.

So I'm heading back home and despite it being night time, THE HEAT, DEAR GOD THE HEAT. At 8 pm it is literally like being on the surface of the sun. I don't think it dropped below 90 my entire visit. I arrive back and the condo DRENCHED in sweat and PISSED because of it, now I have to shower and change all over again. A little demoralized at this point, but fuck it, let's see some titties. I start heading on foot (because traffic is gridlocked) towards P. Burgos, and this WOULD be walkable except everywhere are these fucking iron railings on the sides of the streets designed to keep people out of traffic. You literally cannot get from point A to point be on foot, it is fucking INFURIATING. Also, the TRAFFIC, OH MY GOD. The two major entertainment areas, Burgos and EDSA / Malate are on opposite sides of the city. If you think you're going to just bounce back and forth from one to the other, fucking think again!! You could be looking at an hour in the cab EACH WAY during some times, other times might take 20 minutes.

On that topic, MANY other things in this country make zero fucking sense. Example: there is a McDonalds outside of Greenbelt 3, which was PACKED and the line takes FOREVER, why? Well for one, they don't accept credit cards!! Are we in the fucking twilight zone? A massive, multinational corporation, outside of one of the largest malls in the city, does not accept credit cards. OK THEN.

So here is the part you are waiting for. I finally arrive at P. Burgos, sweaty and enraged, to a scene I can only describe as reminiscent of the cantina in Star Wars. Midgets, homeless people with no limbs, stray dogs and MASSIVE mutated rats. These giant armada-sized cockroaches are EVERYWHERE, look down and there's one crawling over your foot at any given time- they are so big any sane person would opt for retreat rather than stepping on one, I'm not spending an hour cleaning that shit off my fine Italian shoe. I walk into a random bar / gogo and I'm the only one there, and instantly set upon by a gaggle of hags. It was like this in many of the bars- I've heard business is not good on Burgos and the lack of both customers and acceptable (7+) talent seems to confirm that. Also the Burgos track is quite small, there simply aren't a lot of bars, you can cover the whole thing in 10 minutes on foot. What there WERE a lot of in this area, was children begging, DEEPLY UNSETTLING!! I can immediately understand why this would be a prime destination for a certain type of dirtbag- and if any of them are reading this now, I hope you burn forever in the 9th layer of hell. I met a sketchy American outside smoking and told him what a shit time I was having, he told me that most of the girls here have chlamydia, and he looked like he was speaking from personal experience. That's all I needed to hear, CHECK PLEASE!

Literally RAN back to the condo and started packing. After a short nap, ditched my key with security and hopped the nearest cab to the airport. NO idea where I was going, the answer was, NOT HERE. The cab ride to the airport was the most pleasant part of the trip BY FAR. This old dude spoke zero english and was a fucking DEMON behind the wheel!! Got me there in 25 minutes flat, I was so fucking ecstatic, the meter read 200, I gave him 500, he looked at me like I just put his kids through college. Big ups taxi man, YOU THE REAL MVP!!

SO, in a nutshell-.

Total time in the Philippines: Around 19 hours.

Climate: Seventh layer of Hell.

City infrastructure: TWO MEN ENTER ONE MAN LEAVES.

Residents: Many are rude or scammers, they know what you are there for and they don't like it / you.

Average attractiveness of females: Not worth a second look.

Total girls slayed: FUCKING ZERO.

See, this is what I fucking get for trying something new. Well no more of that shit, I'm not fucking around now. I head for the PI Airlines ticket office and book passage to the one place I know will never disappoint me, mufukkin Bangkok baby!! And more specifically Pattaya, to which I'the never been before. Something old, something new, some hot girls for me to screw.

Stay tuned for part 2 (coming soon, in the Thailand forum): Why Thailand is totally amazing and other observations that aren't completely fucking obvious.

[QUOTE=Xion149;1888846]SO, in a nutshell-.

Total time in the Philippines: Around 19 hours.

Climate: Seventh layer of Hell.

City infrastructure: TWO MEN ENTER ONE MAN LEAVES.

Residents: Many are rude or scammers, they know what you are there for and they don't like it / you.

Average attractiveness of females: Not worth a second look.

Total girls slayed: FUCKING ZERO.

See, this is what I fucking get for trying something new. Well no more of that shit, I'm not fucking around now. I head for the PI Airlines ticket office and book passage to the one place I know will never disappoint me, mufukkin Bangkok baby!! And more specifically Pattaya, to which I'the never been before. Something old, something new, some hot girls for me to screw.

Stay tuned for part 2 (coming soon, in the Thailand forum): Why Thailand is totally amazing and other observations that aren't completely fucking obvious.[/QUOTE]I'm still deciding if I go with the "I'm so sorry you had a poor experience on your first visit to the Philippines" or "what a fricken moron, gets scammed with the oldest tricks, can't even find a SIM stall in Greenbelt, etc". I mean you go to a third world country and are upset at their lack of development. What? It was hot? Humid? No way. This was like a rant by a 7 year old. I'm sure you're angry about a lot of other things in real life. Be positive, try to find what's good about both countries, it's not like Thailand doesn't have its shortcomings too.

[QUOTE=Xion149;1888846] Midgets, homeless people with no limbs, stray dogs and MASSIVE mutated rats. These giant armada-sized cockroaches are EVERYWHERE, look down and there's one crawling over your foot at any given time- they are so big any sane person would opt for retreat rather than stepping on one, I'm not spending an hour cleaning that shit off my fine Italian shoe.[/QUOTE]You could be describing Bangkok Sukhumvit with this quote. I haven't noticed the heat in Manila as much as I did in Bangkok, but then I never walk anywhere during daylight in Manila as I am usually sleeping and there is no place to walk to.

My Burgos experience has been the same as yours, every time I've given it another chance. For me, it is a good place for people watching but that is about it. A LOT of transvestites on the street and in the cafes. As in Bangkok, the girls are looking to maximize their buck for the bang; we try to get the most bang for the buck. Sometimes we win, sometimes they win.

As you've found out, Manila doesn't offer the proximity of venues that Bangkok has. If you are here for a short visit, you need to pick your poison and stick with it, unless you like sitting in a taxi for a couple of hours. I usually stay at a hotel in walking distance to EDSA, where I have never failed to find a girl that meets my (very picky) criteria for the night, and get a much better GFE than I have in Bangkok in the last 5 years. I've walked back from Nana Plaza empty handed more that once. The Mall of Asia is a 10 minute cab ride from my hotel, not as glitzy as Greenbelt but an OK place to meet a girl and get some edible food. The airport is about 30 minutes away when I leave to catch the morning flight to Narita.

Bangkok and Manila both have their allures, and their kicks in the crotch. At this time, Manila is a better fit for me. But I miss a lot of things about Bangkok and hope you enjoy your visit there.