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Is this all we can know about Minsk and Belarus?

is there anyone with infos?

[url]http://members.***********.com/voldemar_agency/information.htm[/url]

220117, Minsk-117, P.O. Box 29, Belarus.
Fax: +375-17-2705743 (any time).
E-mail: [email]pb8305@belsonet.net[/email]

Take care

[QUOTE=Waster99][url]http://members.***********.com/voldemar_agency/information.htm[/url]

220117, Minsk-117, P.O. Box 29, Belarus.
Fax: +375-17-2705743 (any time).
E-mail: [email]pb8305@belsonet.net[/email]

Take care[/QUOTE]I met Voldemar (Vladimir Voitechovsky) 1998 when I was in Belarus. Does anybody know more where he is now and how to reach him? I would be very glad about some more information.

Hello!

I am probably going to Minsk next month. All kind of information where I can find escort girls, and their prices are highly appreciated. Thanks!

i'm living in belrus but outside of minsk, i go to minsk a few times a year, belarus girls are beautiful, at least alot of them are.

i have been to 3 places (apartments) that have been advertised on [url]www.minskgirls.net[/url], the photos aint always real because often there are a few girls working from 1 apartment (1 photo and number on the internet and maybe 5 or 6 girls working there at different times)

the last time i was in minsk (last week) i was with 2 girls for an hour, both were 8s about 23ish it cost $60, extras were possible anal $15 only one of the girls offered it, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url] $15.

the girls were very friendly and pleasent, there was another girl there about 30, she was the boss but also working, she was maybe a 6.

it was my first time there, i called they gave me a street name and told me to wait outside a cinema and then call again, after that they gave me there apartment address, there place was my best experience here in belarus. i was in another place also last week $50 for an hour really beautiful girl, the only problem with her was she was pissed off that i wanted a second time for my $50 and was unfriendly as she waited for me to get it up for a second time.

there are no problem with police here as regards girls working from apartments (so they have told me) i have asked about mafia controling them and have always been laughed at "the only mafia in belarus is the government" i have been told.

you will find girls in hotels so they say or in casino's and pay $150 for an hour or for a couple of hours, [url]www.minskgirls.net[/url] is a good place to find girls, minsk is safe and cheap and the girls are beautiful, i will always return to that apartment i wrote about, the girl of 30 told me there would be 2 new girls next week and next time i call tell them my name ant there will be no waiting accross the road while they look out there window from the 7th floor and decide if i'm dangerous or not. minsk can be a great place for pussy, the problem is if you don't speak russian or have someone with you who can your fucked, or your paying $150 an hour.

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i'm living in belrus but outside of minsk, i go to minsk a few times a year, belarus girls are beautiful, at least alot of them are.

i have been to 3 places (apartments) that have been advertised on a belarus web site, the photos aint always real because often there are a few girls working from 1 apartment (1 photo and number on the internet and maybe 5 or 6 girls working there at different times)

the last time i was in minsk (last week) i was with 2 girls for an hour, both were 8s about 23ish it cost $60, extras were possible anal $15 only one of the girls offered it, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url] $15.

the girls were very friendly and pleasent, there was another girl there about 30, she was the boss but also working, she was maybe a 6.

it was my first time there, i called they gave me a street name and told me to wait outside a cinema and then call again, after that they gave me there apartment address, there place was my best experience here in belarus. i was in another place also last week $50 for an hour really beautiful girl, the only problem with her was she was pissed off that i wanted a second time for my $50 and was unfriendly as she waited for me to get it up for a second time.

there are no problem with police here as regards girls working from apartments (so they have told me) i have asked about mafia controling them and have always been laughed at "the only mafia in belarus is the government" i have been told. you will find girls in hotels so they say or in casino's and pay $150 for an hour or for a couple of hours, minsk is safe and cheap and the girls are beautiful, i will always return to that apartment i wrote about, the girl of 30 told me there would be 2 new girls next week and next time i call tell them my name ant there will be no waiting accross the road while they look out there window from the 7th floor and decide if i'm dangerous or not.

minsk can be a great place for pussy, the problem is if you don't speak russian or have someone with you who can your fucked, or your paying $150 an hour.

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Hey,

I'm new at this, by the way.

I'm going to be in Minsk for a few days next week. It seems like there is fun to be found, if one knows where to look. Any hot apartment escort tips for someone who speaks maybe 50 words of Russian (just enough to negotiate prices :) ) Or any general tips regarding well, anything, from freebies to clubs to pros? I wont be suprised if options don't exist for non Russian speakers, but I'm still curious.

Thanks!

Any Minsk advice for someone who barely speaks Russian? I will be there next week, and am looking forward to it. I do speak a little Russian--probably just enough to talk prices.

Thanks!

Hello ninja

A friend in Minsk has told me the best clubs at the moment are Club Max, Alkatraz and Izoom, Alkatraz and Izoom are in the same building on October Square.

Any taxi driver or person undre 40 should know where they are.

[QUOTE=Bobruisk]Hello ninja

A friend in Minsk has told me the best clubs at the moment are Club Max, Alkatraz and Izoom, Alkatraz and Izoom are in the same building on October Square.

Any taxi driver or person undre 40 should know where they are.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the help and sorry for the double post. I'll post about my adventures if I have a chance to make it out. I've been much busier than I expected.

Thanks!

Somebody PMed me (he probably PMed everybody that posted in Minsk section) and asked how Asian men are received by Belarussian women. I've seen this kind of questions ad nauseam on this board. I thought I'd share my 2 cents worth at once. And I'm under the impression there are quite a few Asian mongers in EE. But very few people, at least very few self-admitted Asians here share their experience. Judging by their written English, they probably live in the West and have experience dealing with white women in their home countries. So there you go, you should know how to set your expectations.

Going to a foreign country, a healthy amount of nervousness is natural but it's gotten out of control on this board. Asian men on the board are paranoid, even worried about being treated poorly by hookers. Oh boshe moye, this is a bit excessive, isn't it?

I can't switch my skin color at will to test if women would treat me differently based on my skin color(s). Anyways I was only in Minsk for a few days, I can't really say. I saw maybe just one or two non white people there, and Minsk is not a small city. It's probably the most racially homogenous city in the world. I mean, who wants to go there anyways? Honestly I don't know how people see non-whites in general. There's hardly any.

I did not see hookers in Minsk. But I'd think skin color doesn't matter much to pros. It's just business. Minsk isn't the best place for seeing pros, but it could be a great place for freebies if you live there.

I've never been to Baltic states but I'd venture to guess that Belarussians would probably be more friendly towards Asians, or any man. Thing is, everybody should do better in Belarus or Russia than in Baltic states. They've been admitted to EU so women there are free to roam around Europe, to where the grass in greener (the West, or I should say the real Europe). There are also a lot more foreign men in Baltic states so the women there have more exposure to them, therefore reduces the exotic/God factor for us foreign mongers.

Bottom line is, every man, regardless of skin color, should do better in EE than at home. So the best way to set your expectation is just to set it a little higher than what you can do at home. That's the best I can say. If you can only hit singles or doubles at home, you can hit a triple or even a solo homer in EE. If you can hit solo homers at home, expect to hit grand slams in Motherland. And if one can never get a hit (single) at home, he might be able to sneak in a single there should he hustle. And if one is a filthy billionaire, he can do wonders in EE. But he should be able to do well at home, too.

I also received PMs from certainly the same guy (with zero reports) asking the same questions about Asians ;), and some more about safety in town and non-pros. Just to add a couple of things to CharlieH's report:

1. Already said that again in again in the Belarus section, but I'm Asian, over 55, and never had a problem walking in the streets at 2am with one (or several) young girls less than half my age (some even having just one third my age :D).

2. Also no problem about safety, and I visit girls in suburbs where I wouldn't dare to go in any other Western European cities.

3. For non-pros, being able to speak Russian helps a lot. Even if they understand English, most pretend they don't. Also, it's better to stay in an apartment. Non-pros don't like to go back to hotels because of the security check in hotels.

Jim

GandJim and CharlieH:

Do you think there is any difference what kind of Asian you are? I mean, Asia is the largest continent and Indians and Pakastanis vary greatly from Chinese, Japanese or Indonesian for that matter.

I am just curious, because the same question gets asked a lot on the Russian and Ukrainian boards and when people say Asian I first think of Oriental Asians... but have discovered that actually many of the Asians are Indian.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]GandJim and CharlieH:

Do you think there is any difference what kind of Asian you are? I mean, Asia is the largest continent and Indians and Pakastanis vary greatly from Chinese, Japanese or Indonesian for that matter.

I am just curious, because the same question gets asked a lot on the Russian and Ukrainian boards and when people say Asian I first think of Oriental Asians... but have discovered that actually many of the Asians are Indian.[/QUOTE]


Doc, I agree with you.

I am under the impression the word Asian in British English refers to all the people from the Asian continent. I hear BBC news refer Indians, Pakistanis or even middle easterners as Asians. Is this true? I'm not a Brit. So I find the word very confusing and misleading.

In American English, Asian refers strickly to Chinese, Japanese and Koreans and others that share similar physical features. So for clarity, I'll only refer them as Asians in my post.

I agree that for example, Japanese and Pakistanis vary greatly in every aspect. Or Chinese and Indians vary greatly. I'm still not an experienced monger in Russia. And I have no idea how Indians, Pakistanis and Iranians or whatever are received by Russian women. Actually I don't think I have even seen any of these people during my trips there. Maybe I just don't pay attention to guys (busy shagging girls). And I've never discussed it with the ladies. Russians tend to have better perceptions of Japanese, but could just because Russians think all Japanese are rich. I don't know. When I was visiting Vladivostok, most of the hotel guests were Asians and I didn't think it was a problem for local Russkis at all. I saw only a couple Asians in Moscow but I was told they're Russians, not foreigners. Whatever that means.

This is just a wild guess so don't quote me on this. Some men from Indian subcontinent and Middle-East could be mistaken for Chechens or Georgians. So there could be potential problems with racist Slavic Russians. At least for an ignorant guy like me, I can't really tell the difference. The street shashlik vendor could be from any of these areas for all I know. Amid recent anti-foreigner sentiments in Russia, if I were from the above regions, I'd think twice before going to Russia.

And if I were forced to make a wild guess as to which group of "Asians" would do better Russia, I'd go with North East Asians (Japanese, Chinese...) Is North East Asians even the correct term? But anyways you know what I'm trying to say. Darker skinned "Asians (don't you just hate this confusing word?)" might not be as popular as other groups of men.

There's also been historical integration/intermarriage among Slavic Russians and Asians (Orientals, people, not rugs, don't you just hate this word as well?). It happens a lot, much greater than the integration/assimilation/whatever you want to call it in US. We just don't hear Russians talk about it. Because it's "normalo" for them, no big deal. Russian state was ruled by Mongols for 2 hundred years. There is even a phrase in Russian that goes like this, if you scrub a Russian really hard, underneath the white skin lies Mongol or Tartar blood, or something like that. I read it in Lonely Planet. Siberian pelemeni (dumplings) look almost the same as Chinese dumpings. And if ask a Russian what's her favorite food other than Russian, chances are she'd say Chinese or Japanese-my favorite food as well.

But bottomline is, imo, it's up to the individual's qualities, not where he comes from that determines the outcome. This applies to love, academic or professional achievements, etc....You can have a white guy that looks like Brad Pitt, or Adam Sandler (feel free to insert someone ugly). You can have a hedious looking Asian dude that will get nowhere with Russian women, or you can also have some dude that looks like a Japanese or Hong Kong movie star. And I'm sure some great looking Indian guys can do very well in Russia, or anywhere else in the world. Hell, isn't Liz Hurley banging some Indian billionaire?

I'm sick and tired reading Asians, blacks, Indians, purple people or whatever color on the rainbow paranoid about their chances with women in Russia. I'm also disgusted to read some fat, old and bald white guys from the West, or even worse, from former Eastern Bloc countries (payback time I guess) thinking Russian women will just automatically suck their dicks like the last piece of fried chicken in the bucket. I don't know which one bothers me more. Everybody should have a pretty good idea where he stands with women already (see my baseball analogy in previous post).

Doc,

You're right. Maybe I should specify that, by Asian, I mean more Chinese/Japanese than Indian (in fact, I'm Vietnamese). Rarely seen an Indian or Pakistanese in Minsk, so no idea how they are perceived.

CharlieH is right, at the end of the line, it's your personality which matters. However, for first contact sometimes physical appearance (which includes skin color) do too.

Some girls may not like Black or Asian. Just move to the next one..... It's their right, like it's mine to prefer Russian girls to xxxxx girls (insert the nationality of your choice, I don't want to start a flame war ;)).

Coming from an ex-French colony, I however understand the concern of some Asians as we have developped some kind of inferiority complex over the years, were not allowed in white men's club in our own country, not to mention to speak to a white "lady" (and you can be beaten to death if you dare to). But that's things of the past, and don't exist in Eastern Europe as a general issue anyway.

Jim

PS: And to reply to Doc's question "Do you think there is any difference what kind of Asian you are?", I would say "It depends which girl you are talking to". :D. Hey, a friend of my girlfriend here in Minsk is just dreaming about some handsome Indian taking her to the Taj Mahal. :)

Basic pre-req class for Masters of Mongering.

The subject is ASIA and Asian Peoples

Simplest Commom Political/Demographical Terminologies

Start by dividing into 4 parts:

1. Russia/China/Mongolia/Japan/Koreas

2. "Southeast Asia"
Indochina, i.e. Vietnam/Laos/Cambo/Myanmar/Thai plus
Indonesia and Phillipines

3. "South (or Southwest *) Asia"
India Sub-continent plus Bangladesh/Bhutan/Nepal/
Pakistan/Afghanistan, and Persians*

4. "Central Asia"
the 4 former ussr republik of whatever-stans

5. Middle East
Arabs, Turks, and Persians*

(*doesn't really matter, just depends on your map)

The term Oriental refers to peoples from parts 1 and 2.

Since Asia is the biggest contintent, it has the most races.
To call Asians a race, is a misnomer. It covers too much
ground, a third of the world's land mass, two thirds of the
total population.

This is the key. Asians aren't a race, they're a large group of
different races from 60 countries.

Racism can come from ignorance which can come from fear
of what people don't know or understand about other cultures.

Its a common problem for un-educated people, and also
for educated people who are simple-minded small thinkers.

Unfortunately, there never has been nor will be any shortage
of racism to go around in the world. You need only to look
at the intensity of racism that asian groups have TO EACH OTHER!
(Jap cruelty in WWII, Indians v. Paki's, Sunnis v. Shiites) Thats
enough hate to keep the uncivilized bastards busy forever!

On the bright side though, from a mongering perspective,
to master the art of asian pussy, means that you have loads
of serious studying ahead of you.

You have taken on the biggest subject that you could possibly
choose, so don't sit around wasting time. Get out into the field,
complete your assignments, and submit your reports to be
reviewed here on the ISG.

There are several Asian-looking nationalities (that is, with the characteristic Chinese/Japanese-type skin colour and narrow eyes) in Russian Siberia. For example, Buryats are very closely related to Mongols and speak a similar language. I don't think anyone can tell the difference from their looks, including Buryats and Mongols themselves (well I can't, at least, and I have met a few girls of both origins). Quite tellingly, Ulan-Ude is the capital of Buryatia (an autonomous region within the Russian Federation), Ulan-Bator (or -Bataar) the capital of Mongolia.
Another example is Chukotka in the far northeast, just next to Kamchatka, actually used as a de-facto synonym in Russian for a faraway, God-forsaken place with uncivilised people. Can't comment on whether this is true, but Abramovich, of Chelsea FC fame, is still its governor, and I am told things are changing fast as he is pumping money into the region.

BTW, anyone been to Ulan-Ude? What's the mongering like there? ;)

[QUOTE=CharlieH]I saw only a couple Asians in Moscow but I was told they're Russians, not foreigners. Whatever that means.[/QUOTE]

I have a golden tip for the younger, more adventurous mongers. At least it was golden six years ago, and I'm sure it still is at least to some extent.

Take Russian lessons at MGLU (Minsk State Linguistic University), and ask for accommodation in the student hostel (obshchezhitie). Firstly, it's FULL of girls from the Belarusian provinces without parental control, some of whom have never even seen a foreigner before their arrival. Secondly, you are "legit": not a sex tourist as you came there to study Russian. Thirdly, they are all eager to practice their English (or German, or Spanish, or French). This combination works wonders.

Try to come on September 1 as the new girls arrive, or at least when university is in session (otherwise, the place will be empty apart from 5-10 foreigners and very few students with special permits). Rent a flat somewhere else to beat the 11 pm curfew or be on good terms with the babushki guarding the entrance (in 2000, it was enough to give them a bar of chocolate in exchange for a late return). Ideally, wear greyish-blackish designer clothes.

Finally, when for some reason there is no new talent to be recruited in the obshchezhitie, head out to McDonald's on the main road and join the youth hanging around in front of it. Take as many phone numbers as you can carry (I often got them within 10 secs of meeting the girl, don't know if that is still realistic six years on). Within a few days, you will get so much sex your dick will fall off.

Report back to this thread if you actually try this.

SlutLover is right about "McDonald's on the main road" it is very "moving" but not big area. There is also the main metro station near it, so it is the place every body respects for its unformat atmosphere which contains as black styled and poor cultured rock-metal-grunge-punckes such as and a pretty young girls, fuck them knows what for are doing there. :.)) Do not think here are pros. , couse of HARD STREET MILITIA (police) CONTOL on the main STREET (exept ex-Masherova street, that is near it and traditionally touristics). In front of Hotel Jubilejnaja there many pros. But usually deep night (Minsk (Mensk in real true historical variant) sleeeps and looks deadly empty at streets at night). And in a sport center "Dvorec Sporta" that is on another side of a Hotel "Jubilejnaja" there is a face. Controled MAZHORNYJ club "OVERTIME". Says to be caching for "fishes" one club for non poor men and foreigners. On my girl goes there often as many suches same to her. I do not know is she alow you to fuck her with her, more hope she is just gets money from you (as we say DINAMIT You) on drinking for her and some dance, but no sex. Thats fase beauty hits there mind and they HAVE SO HIGH oppinion on herself where you is dirty slave whith a low rang position.

But there must be surely and friendly preferenced girls and PROS.

I will watch this board as often as can so you can ask some questions. Will tell all what is in boarder of my knowledges.

Maksus. Mensk.

Don't know if this is going to be of any use or not, but I was in Minsk about a month ago, and my friends there took me to a club in Hotel Belarus called WestWorld club, I think. They described it as hilarious, and it was. It was hop-hop night, and there's nothing scarier than Belarussians pretending to be black. Fucking hilarious. The locals call it hockey puck or something like that.

Anyway, full of lots of women, who I assumed were non-pros just looking to get down with the "hip-hop". My friends later informed me that pretty much every girl there is "for sale", mostly in a semi-pro way. Basically, a few nice words, cash flashing, drink buying, and you're good for the night. I didn't try any game in there--I had to maintain a less sex crazed persona in front of my Belarussian acquantences for various reasons.

If anyone has anything to add about this club, please so. Although I'm sure I won't be going there anytime soon. And if any black men happen to be in Minsk, I'd love to hear what happens if you go here on "hip-hop" night. You'll probably get more pussy than you could manage in a year.

Spent 2 different nights in there, from 11PM to 3AM.

A few 'pros' standing around the bar, smoking, talking to
some flathead types. They looked about 27 to 32 years,
no better than a 5 or 6 in quality. Price around $200 for
2 hours. No thanks.

Found one other pro at a table, about 22 years, $150 for
two hours, about a 7/8 quality. I told her I would pay her
$50 intro fee to get me hooked up with the three or four
non-pro 9/10 girls that were only there to dance, but none
of them were interested in sex for ANY price. She spoke
to them all, no dice.

Its common thinking that every girl is "for sale", but in
practice, the truth is different.

hi bobruisk,
i read your post about minsk with interest. i am going there soon!
do you still have phone number of that super appartment you mentionned, or how is it called/located.
any infos welcomed
thanks and i'll update you after i go there

p.s. : if anyone has some infos on appartments or so-called "salons" in minsk, please respond on forum or p.m. !

[quote=bobruisk]i'm living in belrus but outside of minsk, i go to minsk a few times a year, belarus girls are beautiful, at least alot of them are.

i have been to 3 places (apartments) that have been advertised on a belarus web site, the photos aint always real because often there are a few girls working from 1 apartment (1 photo and number on the internet and maybe 5 or 6 girls working there at different times)

the last time i was in minsk (last week) i was with 2 girls for an hour, both were 8s about 23ish it cost $60, extras were possible anal $15 only one of the girls offered it, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url] $15.

the girls were very friendly and pleasent, there was another girl there about 30, she was the boss but also working, she was maybe a 6.

it was my first time there, i called they gave me a street name and told me to wait outside a cinema and then call again, after that they gave me there apartment address, there place was my best experience here in belarus. i was in another place also last week $50 for an hour really beautiful girl, the only problem with her was she was pissed off that i wanted a second time for my $50 and was unfriendly as she waited for me to get it up for a second time.

there are no problem with police here as regards girls working from apartments (so they have told me) i have asked about mafia controling them and have always been laughed at "the only mafia in belarus is the government" i have been told. you will find girls in hotels so they say or in casino's and pay $150 for an hour or for a couple of hours, minsk is safe and cheap and the girls are beautiful, i will always return to that apartment i wrote about, the girl of 30 told me there would be 2 new girls next week and next time i call tell them my name ant there will be no waiting accross the road while they look out there window from the 7th floor and decide if i'm dangerous or not.

minsk can be a great place for pussy, the problem is if you don't speak russian or have someone with you who can your fucked, or your paying $150 an hour.

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Part two;
Thursday was a miserable day and I had high temperature! I was out walking and stopped at a place and had an overpriced simple meal for USD 8. Feeling dizzy with fever and irritated about my lunch I slipped on the icy stairs down to the subway passage and stretched my calf. Limping and dizzy I went home to sleep and rest. Met Marina , the lovely Gomel student, in the evening at McDonalds for a cup of tea. Conversation was terrible. Da, nyet bla bla. Tbi ochen krassiva and she said spassiba and smiled and looked a bit shy. And I coughed! She had to go home after a brief kiss. A stunner, but a very serious girl.

Decided not to go out Thursday night but to get some nice pro girls from the street like I did in 2005! Drove around for 30 minutes starting at 1 am with a taxi driver that told me he was a police in the daytime. Ops! He told me in his poor English “No problems”! He was actually very friendly but very pro-Lukashenka and I did not argue with him! He proved to be really helpful and tried hard to find nice girls for me as he understood I was a man and in need of girls. Up and down Skaryny we drove and we looked and asked. All girls wanted USD 50 per hour and only covered BJ no matter what! Searched Masherovska again but the quality there was miserable. Went back to Skaryny and found a bus stop where some decent looking girls were sitting. I really liked a well dressed good looking blonde and with the help from the driver we started to negotiate. The blonde stunner wouldn’t go alone with me so I had to choose another as they only go in pairs to apartments. Taxi driver explained to me I needed extreme sport and I better take two girls! Handed over USD 160 for two hours with two girls and off we went to my apartment. The blonde stunner was Taisa, 19 year old and surprisingly beautiful (infact she was a 8+ or possibly 9) for being a street girl and the other was Marina 23 also blonde and only a 7 (mother of 2 children she told me later) but at least she was slim. Opened champanski, and made tea for the Marina. I placed Taisa next to me in the sofa and started to feel her well shaped and medium sized breasts as I made some jokes in my poor Russian and they started to laugh! With wonderful fresh teen Taisa topless next to me Marina started to dance to the music on the TV and performed a good striptease show just for fun. She even spanked her own ass and let me do it as well! Nice fun! In the bed room they started to caress me, but kissing on the mouth was a no-no with both girls! How sad! Taisa got me rubbered up and started to blow me as Marina were next to me gently massaging me after I instructed her to do so. Sadly, a covered blowjob isn’t the real thing! Of course Taisa was the first to come on top of me and she moved quite well, but not exceptional. Her fresh teen body was a great turn on just too look at, and I got eye contact as well. In the middle of it all we were getting heated up and I start to cough! I cursed my flu!! As I asked Marina to try the cow girl, Taisa got off and quickly took the condom off and explained it must be changed when I change girl! What a let down for the heat! No way I could persuade these girls into anything! Marina sucked me hard again with a fresh condom on and got on top in cow girl reverse and it was nice but feeling was not there. No way as tight and nice as Taisa was. Continued in doggy with Marina and Taisa massaged my body. The irritating change of condom took place again before I could poke Taisa doggy style but it was worth it since she was so good looking. She performed better in doggy than cow girl! Finished in Taisa in missionary and we went for a pause! They got one Baileys each and they loved it. They were giggling and talking in Russian to eachother! Taisa tried to explain to me that she wanted my bottle of Baileys to take home. I told her she can have the bottle if she gives me BBBJ, but she refused! Darn! They must be trained by KGB not to let go of one mm from the rules!;) Gone are the nice action and true GFE I got from the customer friendly street girls in 2005 and replaced with clean, safe and boring sex. Still Taisa saved my day and helped me recovering from my poor condition!

Friday evening I had a walk in the city with Katerina (24, 176 and 65 kg, 7+, sexy style and personality), another internet contact and we went for a dinner. Ended with a deep tongue kissing session and touching in the restaurant with promises to come to my apartment Sunday evening and try my cooking!
Olga1 was supposed to come to my apartment later in the night, but Anastasia1 called and wanted to come to me. Cancelled with Olga and sweet Anastasia soon came with her friend. We had tea and some champanski and I started to make out with Nastia in the sofa. Her friend looked a bit bored once again and got a phone call and told us she had to leave. Went on with warming up Nastia for a session and I explained that she is my girlfriend and I want to do her bareback! She accepted without problems as long as I didn’t finish inside! Just wonderful! This time I got her into doggy style (which she didn’t like the first time) and into BBBJ with CIM and partial facial! Du mein Lehrer (youre my teacher) she told me in poor German! ;) Anastasia is on the keep list for sure!
I do recommend everybody to use condom though, but for myself I sometimes want bareback when I’m with a girlfriend I feel is healthy and clean! Few things in this world beat that natural feeling! I always try to find out if a girl has travelled and to what countries to figure out if she has been a working girl. If she has been a few rounds to Turkey you know what to expect! To have this knowledge reduces the risk IMHO. Her general behaviour tells something about if she has been hooking in her native country. Not fool-proof, but reduces the risk.

After another good night with Nastia she left Saturday noon after I have given her anti baby pills (very handy to have if you want to do a girlfriend bareback). After she had left I decided to rest, still feeling my flu, and I took a warm bath. In the early evening I went to see a Mozart concert in the Philharmonica which is just nearby my apartment. Wonderful concert and highly recommendable and cheap entertainment! Olga1 texted me and told me she want to come to me later. Texted her back that if you come to me you also stay the night with me and she agreed. When she came it was close to midnight and she was pretty drunk after having been at a party with her friends from work. She got two girlfriends with her and we continued to have a small party. Made out fast with Olga in the sofa but she turned out to be totally stoned! She was so drunk that she sat like a zombie in the sofa just staring! I tried my best to tell her that you stay the night with me but her friends tried to persuade her into going home with them. I can tell that I lost and Olga went home!

As the hungry mongerer I am, I didn’t give up! I decided to try Alcatraz right in the centre next to the WW2 museum! Alcatraz is situated in a cellar that is far to small for the crowd its hosting! Jam packed and I really hate conditions like this! Warm, sweaty and you could hardly move! You can add a thin selection of girls as well due to the size. I like larger style discos where you can move around as a hunter and get a good overview of your future prey! Finished my Ararat brandy and left the place after 30 minutes! Took a taxi to West World and arrived there 1.30 am to look for any hot devushki or semi pros. It was Saturday night and the place was crowded, but spacious! Approached Polina, a 23 year old stunner (8+) and got into a nice flirt directly with her. Polina had straight long light brown hair and a classic beautiful slavic face with green eyes, about 165 cm with a very slim body and yet a nice rack! She spoke a bit of English and she was there with her mama, and pointed to an older woman dancing alone! Had a drink with Polina, nice dancing, holding hands and flirting! Sneaked up behind her and held her tight to me and felt her wonderful waist and hips and she took my hand and holds it so affectionate as if she were already my girlfriend! Took her number as she had to go home early with her mama! A follow up for next trip! Definitely my kind of girl!

One look and a big winner smile from me made Anastasia2 get up from her sofa and walk to meet me on the dance floor! This girl is something extra, around 172, 21 and very slim bronzed body with firm small/medium size breasts and long dark blonde hair down to her waist and a pretty face! 8+ or 9! We danced the night away together, flirting and having a drink each and she was playing really hard to get barely allowing me to kiss her cheek! She was very interested in me but in the end it proved totally impossible to pull her back to my apartment! A very brief kiss on the mouth, mobile number and a promise to meet tomorrow was what I got!

Lazy last day and Sunday and I sent the sms for Anastasia2 and she agreed on coming to my apartment for some white wine after she finished work at 4 am in the night! Went to the WW2 museum and spent the rest of the day relaxing until late and slept for a few hours! Arranged with candles, chardonnay and chocolate and YES she came a few minutes after 4 am! Some sweet talking and all of a sudden tongue kissing was on the menu and light fondling with her firm pointy tits! She told me she is a student but she works extra as a dancing girl and even doing strip shows at discos, you know swinging around the pole, even the popular up side down gliding down the pole! Top goes down and my hands feel her firm tits as I kiss her deeply and things starts to go in the right direction! I tell her to stay the night with me and she agrees and goes for a shower! Waiting in the bedroom she comes in only dressed in a towel and goes under the blanket next to me and removes the towel! Kissing and touching all over her its time and she asks me for preservative and on the rubber goes! Good energetic shag but she goes only partly into the heat and doesn’t show total GFE but quite ok! Its around 6 am and I finish inside her in the missionary and we have some nice kissing and cuddling afterwards. That leads into a total body kissing and a long good DATY which she really enjoyed. Arching up in a bow and moaning when I ate her smooth and waxed pussy! Lovely feeling and taste! Afterwards we relax and falls asleep!

Alarm clock was set on noon because I have to wake up and pack my bags and leave. Started to pack and sleepy Nastia started to get dressed and my landlord sent me an sms saying she comes in 15 minutes. I grabbed Nastia by the hand and took her into the bedroom and started to caress her back and pussy from behind as I kissed and bite her in the back of the head. Took down her panties with a fast and rough pull and got my dick out and bent her over with her hands resting on the bed! What a great waist and ass of this beauty! Quite a sight! She didn’t ask for a condom this time, but to be on the safe side I quickly rubbered up, grabbed her hips and shagged her hard and fast from behind until I finished in her 4-5 minutes later! Landlord came as we just got dressed and I kissed Nastia goodbye and handed her 10000 rubles for the taxi ride home!

To summarise; Scene is changing definitely to the worse regarding both freebies and p4p. I really expected it to be easier with my 2005 experiences in mind. 2 freebies in 10 days is nothing you brag about! Especially since I had put time and effort into having many pre contacts from internet! Im sure the really good hunters would have done better than myself! I spent around Euro 1300 in total for 10 days. Flight ticket and apartment represent a big part of my spendings. On the positive side is that girls in general are very curious about nice foreign men and its not a problem to approach them in discos. It’s a big fun to flirt and try to hunt down the fresh freebies, and that’s what I mainly came for! But you have to know some basic Russian in most cases. Time is definitely needed to bed girls and it seems very hard to get any one night stands! I keep in good contact with my two Anasatsia girlfriends and they really look forward to meet me next time! I didn’t try any pick ups in the streets or cafes. P4P scene is quite bad and you will probably have to rely on street girls where the vast majority is not what you want to pay $ 50 per hour for. Occasional stunners can be found among street girls though! As an EE newbie think twice about Belarus! For those with experience Im sure you can have quite fun here, as well as in other locations as Russia, Ukraine etc.

Minsk updated! – part one;

After a shitty morning with cancelled flights from Copenhagen due to bad weather I finally arrived at Minsk2 airport! The airport from outside looks like a space base in a movie! 16 minus at 3 pm! Disorganised as you would expect, I found the consular section upstairs but unfortunately there was a big group of Spanish tourists arriving and I had to wait one hour just to leave my passport to the girl in the window. After I got the Visa it was no problems and I took the minibus (Marchutka) to Minsk for cheap money.

Minibus driver was kind enough to drop me right where my apartment was. Apartment was nice (50/E night-with big bathtub, 2 rooms) and the hunting could begin! Phoned one girl Olga1 (30 years 177 and 60 kg – but ok looking and a 7) from internet and we meet later in the evening. She picked me up in her car and went to a nice restaurant (browary), a place where they brewed their own beer. However she was driving and could not drink. Some nice eating for a hungry hunter and it ended with nice tongue kissing and touching of her tits in her car before she dropped me off. She didnt want to come to my apartment for tea because it was the first time. Well, well…. In that night I went to West World disco at Hotel Belarus to check out the scene. Entrance 20000 rubles or USD 9! Darn expensive! Place was crowded because they celebrated soldiers day. It was bad already from the start! Male ratio was 65%! All the girls seemed to be in company or not interested or could not speak English! Lousy night with not even a phone number and I went home to sleep at 3 am.

Saturday I had to call off my very interested pre contact from internet (Anastasia1 from Russian zest) due to a girl from Lucky Lovers that was coming from Gomel to spend the weekend with me! It sounded like a sure thing to me but when I met her at the train station she was a disappointment. Not as sweet as in the photos and she had gained 7-8 kg! She showed cold feelings and later in that night we went to disco Night Star. Saturday night and it was quite ok (older crowd) but I had my company and she started to drink a lot of wine! Good sign! Some nice dancing and we went back to apartment! Off to bed and I started my seduction process and she was cold as ice again, barely letting me kiss her and she took of my hands very fast when I tried to touch her. Shit!! Same thing in the morning and I had a serious talk with her and she explained she wanted more time. Final test was when she didnt want to take a warm bath with me even in underwear! After this I explained to her its not working and she should leave. And she did. 24 hours and USD 60 wasted! That’s life! Her nickname is Lalliana on Lucky Lovers and you can put her on your avoid list!

I phoned my Anastasia1 (24 years, 175cm 60 kg blue eyed blonde) and told her to come to my apartment that evening and she agreed. She came with her friend and they had a bottle of champanski with them! She was a positive surprise and looked a bit better than her photos. A solid 8! They have already been drinking some wine and the atmosphere was great! Soon I opened a second bottle of champanski (always stock up with champanski and other drinks) and I started to kiss and touching Anastasia. Her friend looked bored and watched tv. Natural things happened and I told her lets go into the bedroom and she followed! Soon I got her bra of revealing really nice big and very firm tits and we got on with the action. She was a bit shy but very nice and GFE was there for sure! She was good at top and her big firm breasts were wonderful! Sex was not super as she seemed a bit nervous and not very experienced, but still very nice! Switched position and did her in the missionary until I finished! Her friend knocked on the door and found us naked in bed relaxing after the first round and she wanted to leave. Quite understandable! Anastasia 1 was a real hit and she left my apartment Tuesday at noon after two very good nights. She got better and better and is definitely girlfriend material. Conversation was bad though, because she only knew a bit of German and so do I.

Phoned Olga2 from internet and met her at McDonalds and we went to the most popular cafe Beze just opposite McDonalds and 100m to the south! She was very good looking with a great smile! Had coffee with her and her friend who translated! What a girl! 20 years, very slim blue eyed brunette, 8+ or possibly 9! She had to go home after that and I got a kiss on the mouth! At least a good sign! Tuesday night I went to West World again and this time it was special student evening with discount price for them. Sounds just like my place! Place was packed with young people and plenty of good looking young girls! Scene was changed in a very favourable way! No problems to get contact with girls even if they didn’t speak much English! Got 4 phone numbers and could easily have gotten the double! Good contact with stundentka Tatiana, a 20 year old slim sweetie with dark curly hair. She smiled at me every time we walked by eachother and even blew kisses after me. Good flirt! I set my goal after 19 year old Marina, a student from Gomel. Really attractive girl, 180 cm, with a face so sweet that even Stalins heart would have melted. Very friendly but no English what so ever! I wanted to buy her a drink and she wanted a cocktail and I just felt it as a test if she is a spoiled girl or not. She asked for orange juice and vodka and she was happy with that! Great sign! Conversation was bad but we had some good dancing and her friend could sometimes translate a bit for us. Got her number and then she went home with her friends. Back to Tatiana again and she really liked me but it was totally impossible to pull her back to my apartment! Fun night with lots of attention and flirts but I had to go home alone! Thats life!

On Wednesday I started to feel I have caught the flu, and how right I was! Temperature was coming and my nose dripped and I coughed! Tried to rest and sent my daily bunch of sms to the girls from internet and disco contacts. Olga1 couldnt meet and Olga2 was also ill with flu! No girls could meet and I decided to rest and later go to try the famous Max Show! Short trip with taxi (3000 rubles – never pay more than 5000-10000 within the city centre) and the driver stopped. He had to point the place out to me otherwise I wouldnt have seen it. Hidden in a factory like building with few signs a 100 m from Skaryny ave. Entrance was the usual ridiculous 20000 rubles but the place seemed fun in the beginning. Quite crowded and the girls were somewhat approachable. Talked to a few and went for the stunner of night, ex-model Ella that was a 9+. She talked English and was actually curious and friendly. Her doll like friend gave me hungry looks all the time but she wasnt my type. Ella used to be a model and she had been to USA and her dream was to go there again. And of course she didn’t want to give the phone number to a coughing Nordic Viking! I was feeling really ill and for fun I watched a 60 year old foreign man in the bar trying to pick up two young girls! Later he got a table and invited them over and he bought them a few cocktails. I analysed the place and a lot of girls were taken sitting at tables with Turks or middle eastern men. Not my kind of place! Reminds me of Star track in Moldova! Drinks were very expensive too. My usual drink, Ararat five star cognac was 9500 rubles! (later other girls told me that max Show is made to milk money out of foreigners) I decided to call it a day! At the same time the 60 year old man leaves with the two 20 year old girls and they jump into his black BMW with private driver. Money talks! He probably promised them jobs at his company and was going to have the job interview with them that night, or they were semi pros. Just my guess. When I got my jacket some hookers sitting in the lobby gave me looks and I talked to them. 100 Euro for max two hours or USD 100 for one hour. For girls not above 7! No way! Got a taxi back home and took a tour to look for streetwalker girls. It was close to 4 am and there were none at Skaryny around. Drove to Masherovska ave and talked to some girls sitting at the bus stops. My goodness what an ugly selection of old worn hookers. They even had the guts to ask for USD 50 per hour. I went home alone to sleep like the ill man I was.

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic]........ I analysed the place and a lot of girls were taken sitting at tables with Turks or middle eastern men. Not my kind of place! Reminds me of Star track in Moldova! .........[/QUOTE]

Felix, nice reports, thanks/tak, please keep them coming.

What are those Turks and middle eastern people doing in Belarus? Are they the ones with money and looking for pussy in Belarus or are they refugees/immigrants living there?

I see many of them in your beautiful country, too. They're everywhere.

With all respect to you.... do you think that these turks and middle eastern people should not be there only ????

i think they have the right to travel like you do...



[QUOTE=CharlieH]Felix, nice reports, thanks/tak, please keep them coming.

What are those Turks and middle eastern people doing in Belarus? Are they the ones with money and looking for pussy in Belarus or are they refugees/immigrants living there?

I see many of them in your beautiful country, too. They're everywhere.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Horny469]With all respect to you.... do you think that these turks and middle eastern people should not be there only ????

i think they have the right to travel like you do...[/QUOTE]

It's an legitmate question. Exactly like you said. Are they traveling like me for women? Or are they economic migrants/immigrants living and working in Belarus? The latter is the case for Denmark. And I doubt people, any people, would want to immigrate to Belarus therefore I asked Felix the question. I'm still curious. Belarus does not seem like a preferred vacation spot for the oil sheiks and should not be the magnet for economically underprivileged people. So why are they there? Unless, unless Lukashenko's economic reform turns out to be a huge success?! You seem to know it pretty well, so please enlighten me.

CharlieH;

My guess is that most of these Middle eastern men do some kind of business in Belarus or are students. Its not like Ukraine where at lot of tourists come.
I know they own some restaurants and shops. One reason is to make money of course and another co-reason is probably to get many girls which are important for their macho ego, and the fact that they cant get any girls in their own traditional countries. Also I think that because its so problematic to get a visa for EU that they simply chose to open business in EE. Other reasons might be to recruit girls for prostitution in their own countries, also called trafficking (which is a very big business).

Lukashenko wants to get closer business connections with both Turkey and Iran because his ass is banned in European Union and the USA. I know that Iran has opened one car factory in Belarus to produce cars for the Iranian market. So, of course there are some busniness men because of these reasons too.

There are lots of younger middle eastern boys as well and they go to East Europe for studies. They can get a better education than in their own countries and they can also in some cases easily "buy" or bribe themselves into getting that place at the medical university even if they dont have the necessary grades from their own country. Money speaks very loud in socialistic countries!

I have met a lot Middle Eastern men and Turks during my trips and there are some really nice gentlemen among them. However most of them have a very low attitude towards girls, and a bragging macho style that I am not comfortable with. Treating girls like cheap trash in a lot of cases and having a rude behaviour as well, gives them a bad reputation in general, which is understandable! I have talked to lots of girls in EE and Belarus and the vast majority dont like them at all. And for a reason! There are of course also EE girls that really likes men from the Middle east. As for myself I prefer male friends who respect women and can be gentlemen even if the girls are from East Europe. I dont like the kind of men who are bragging and telling they get new girls every night and all the girls love them, and regarding themselves as gods gift to woman. The reality is often the opposite.

I have said it before, and I say it again, that treating girls like shit and with disrespect is a disgrace in itself and only serves the purpose of giving foreign men in general harder times to get laid with freebies, as well as getting hookers cold hearted.

Thats why I feel much more comfortable with men who share my own cultural values and respect for women.

If I have stepped on a few toes, the real gentlemen regardless of country knows I dont refer to them, and those who feel like my target may reread my post and ask themselves what they can do to change it.

Felix - your fellow hunter

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic] and the fact that they cant get any girls in their own traditional countries[/QUOTE]

Ratio of women to men (number of women for 100 men). [url]http://unstats.un.org/UNSD/demographic/products/indwm/ww2005/tab1a.htm[/url]

Ukraine 118
Russia 116
Belarus 114

Kuwait 67
Qatar 48
United Arab Emirates 47

There's no need to say more.


Great reports BTW Felix. Hope we'll have the opportunity to squeeze a few Coronas and share some stories someday in Chisinau or Bucarest. :)

[quote=prosal]ratio of women to men (number of women for 100 men). [url]http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/indwm/ww2005/tab1a.htm[/url]

kuwait 67
qatar 48
united arab emirates 47

there's no need to say more.

[/quote]

oh my god! how is this even possbile? what happens to the women there? are they killed as babies? how is this even possible? maybe the population includes migrant worker from nearby countries (india, pakistan, bengladesh, sri lanka......) whom tend to be male. it's just my guess, i can't think of any other explaination. and if rich men can have 4 wifes, where does that leave the poor?

even after female baby/fetus killings, china still has 95 women per 100 men.

i did not see any middle easterners during my stay in minsk. i saw a grand total of 1 non white person (one black man). but i was only in city center.

felix, i completely agree with you. i have zero tolerance for men who treat women like cattles or lesser human beings. i'm even more outraged when some of them treat foreign women the same way women are treated in their own countries. stoning for alleged adultery, honor killings and village/tribe sanctioned gang [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] make my blood boil. there's no room for that kind of behavior in this world.

Hey Felix.

Since you were there for mongering primarily, I am curious why you made no attempts to make any dyev contacts through the Iz-ruk-v-ruki gazetta. There were always one or 2 escort agencies numbers as well as some independents in the "Introductions" section. Its true that the quality was a problem, but there was always a possibility that you could meet one of their 'friends' who was hot and GFE.

Also surprised that your taxi driver didn't give you contacts for any agency or brothel.

Can someone shed some light on Hotels in Minsk and thier general policy of being freindly on allowing girls up with guests? I've booked at Hotel Minsk which seems to be the only 4 star place there, its my first trip there for some work. Any feedback on this hotel and what one can find inside?

Also wud be interested to know about escort services and peoples experience with that in Minsk?

[QUOTE=Prosal]Ratio of women to men (number of women for 100 men). [url]http://unstats.un.org/UNSD/demographic/products/indwm/ww2005/tab1a.htm[/url]

Ukraine 118
Russia 116
Belarus 114

Kuwait 67
Qatar 48
United Arab Emirates 47

There's no need to say more.


Great reports BTW Felix. Hope we'll have the opportunity to squeeze a few Coronas and share some stories someday in Chisinau or Bucarest. :)[/QUOTE]
Hi Prosal,
very intersting table, but...
:)
how can you comment that:

Italy 106...!!!
:)

Cuba 100...???
Colombia 102...???

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic]Minsk updated! – part one;
.[/QUOTE]

Thanks!!!

Nothing else to add or to ask by now, it's just the software asking me to write at least 10 characters.
:)
By the way,
how did you find the apartment and how much did it cost?
It was modern or a sovietic flat?
Just to understand, with an example on something I know,
can you compare it with some known chisinau apartment ?
:)

[url]http://www.russiansexbombs.com[/url]

I'll be in Minsk 25th to 28th this month on some work and hopefully some pleasure as well, anyone in town and wants to scount around pls. pms me....found the above web site which has a bunch of what seems private listings of escorts in Minsk. Catch is the web site is a paid site and to get the numbers of the girls listed one has to join!!

Wondering if anyone knows about this website and if its worth joining as a member to get the numbers?

Bez;

Well, I simply didnt know about that magazine. I have tried the Makler in Moldova before with really limited sucess and my russian is quite weak on top of that. Its always good to have a P4P girl when the freebies are not around. And that happens!

One taxi driver tried to call a number but no reply and they just took me for a drive! Quite helpful about it and ofcourse they know they get a little extra on top of the usual charge.

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Anyone tried the flirt.com.ua for Belarus girls? There are some on the site but I have not gotten any reply so far! Even from the pros! Maybe its my english or the bad russian?

Any one got any contacts for Belarus girls there?

/Felix, one of the lone hunters

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic]Well, I simply didnt know about that magazine.[/QUOTE]
Felix,

Iz ruk v ruki is a newspaper, but unfortunately it's no longer a good source of info.

Quotes from posts of April last year:

[QUOTE=GandJim]For newspaper girls, buy the 'Из рук в руки' (Iz ruk v ruki). Ads are under the section 812. Знакомства. Just call and and ask if you can meet with her for 30mn-1hr in her apt or yours. If she's a working girl, she'll give you the price. 'Normal' girls put ads under section 811 to look for marriage, not section 812 with their measures.

.....There used to be 1.5 to 2 pages of adds; now it's merely 1/4 of a page. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sour Honey]
- GANDJIM: iz ruk v ruki is no longer used by pros (very few now) now they use internet sites. But mainly [url]http://intimby.net[/url] .... but sorry, moy drug ....is in russian only ... Also in russian is [url]http://www.minskgirls.net[/url] as Walter said. With both you can pick horrible things, with only a 30% of VERY good choices. Half of the advertisements have false pics, and a 20% are jokes (e.g. the boyfriend left from the girl that put the ad there: normally only intimby.net , the other you have to pay.[/QUOTE]

Am in Minsk now and its very warm here!

Any one knows any good daytime pick up places like cafes and bars and that also runs in the evening? The bars in old town are good and the huge open air upstairs cafe place close to the main park. Dont know the name sorry.

Gand Jim! Thanks for the info! I got the number of a pro from firlt.com.ua today! Will investegate!

Any fellow mongerer in town?

Cheers,
Felix

Hi Felix,

If it's pretty warm, the streets, shops and parks must be full of lovely girls in mini-skirt, right? ;)

Relooking at my previous post, I realise that the site [url]http://www.minskgirls.net[/url] mentionned by Sour Honey now leads only to a forum. Adverts from the girls are presently on [url]http://minsklove.net/[/url]. As usual, some fake photos, but most are genuine.

I'll be in Minsk for 6 weeks this Summer for business. I'll spent a couple of long weekends in Moscow and St-Pete, but will appreciate your input for the time I'm stuck in Minsk.

Jim

Thanks GandJim for the minsklove link. It is so hard to find internet sites regarding girls in Belarus. I understand why they are not so open in their advertisements ofcourse but it makes life a little harder. Anyway if the site is correct then there are some good looking girls for exceptional value.

As regards to "Iz Ryk B Ryki", I have a January edition and it has about a page of girls under the 812 section. These girls are advertising services correct? I will be in Belarus for 3 weeks in July and although I have visited many times this will be my first time without the wife,hence punting there will be a new experience and I am not sure about the way things work in the game over there.

I will be travelling all over Belarus on a motorbike during my stay and speak passable Russian so I hope to be able to post some good reports in the near future on the scene in Belarus. I am especially interested in the road side girls I always see out in the sticks. I am expecting cheap prices. We shall see.

[QUOTE=Up And Under]

Iz Ryk B Ryki has about a page of girls under the 812 section.

I will be travelling all over Belarus.

We shall see.

[/QUOTE]

Yes yes, just include us readers in the 'we shall "see" part!

Somebody recently posted 'nothing in the gazetta', but you read what I read.

Also, you might want to always pay some local to guard your bike at night while you're banging away or sleeping, or you might wake to find you're walking.

As far as 'the way things work'? Well there is no way! There's this fucking way, and then that fucking way, and then what the fuck was that way? That's what makes it fun and crazy, so don't knock it.

This sounds like a Ewan Macgregor road trip redux Belarussian trailer trash edition. My favorite!

I do not understand Felix. It is very easy to get phone numbers through flirt.com. I have numbers of many Belarus girls hoping to visit them. It is not difficult. You only have to speak russian.

I have been to Minsk before, some 3 years ago and stayed at the Yubinaya. At the time, the cafeteria would be visited by girls in the late evening (some looking like big men but some good) who would be working. It was fun - a hotel with full service as you may say. But the rooms were small and the hotel hostile to girls that they had not approved of "working" there.

Question: What are the good places to stay in Minsk in August - prices - and their attitude towards invited guests - and what about apartments?

I can't tell you about the hotel situation as I always stay in apartments. There are some very cheap apartments to be had in the city, from $20 upwards. However you need some Russian skills. The way to find them is to buy the local property magazine, it is called "Nedvizhimost". Inside are many apartments with photos. $20 does not get you much, a studio apartment with soviet decor and not in the centre. $35 should get you a 2 room apartment. The owners rent these mostly to local punters so have no worries about taking your little devochka back for some slap and tickle. If you do not speak Russian get your taxi driver to arrange it and give him $10 for his help.

These are not aimed at tourists so do not expect central location and internet but there are some great bargains out there.

Felix,

You wrote you were in Minsk til 7 June.

Where is your report?

Is Belarus still a decent place for hunting?

Well, I had 11 days in Minsk but I wont write any novels good enough for the nobel price! I hope Im excused! I will give you some hard facts;

I dated 12 girls in total and 9 girls out of these 12 were from different internet sites! One of these girls were my old girlfriend Anastasia1 from my previous report (solid 8) and she gave me two good nights with lots of sex, as I expected! No need to speak about that!
I got three new girls in bed. One girl was a only a 6 but very openminded and horny! Natasha is 23, 178 and 70 kg, big tits and from a better off family! I shagged her on the second date! We had talked a lot about sex on internet, sms and on the phone. So it was a pretty sure bet, but a slight disappointment when it comes to looks in real life. I had sex with her on two different evenings. Shaved pussy in the form of a one cm vertical line as I had instructed her.
Second new girl was a sweet blue eyed blonde 23 year old girl, 168 cm, 52 kg and an 8! Quite nice body and lovely ass with a tattoo in the swank! I got her to my apartment for sex on the third date after lots of walking in parks and sweet talking! I told her I wanted to cook her a nice dinner and that was what cought her interest to come to my apartment! And a lovely risotto with mushrooms she got with a nice white italian wine! My desert was a blue eyed blonde! A bit stiff in the bed but a lovely body to enjoy! No blow jobs as she dont do that in the beginning with a boyfriend she told me! I had sex with Katerina on two different evenings as well.
The last and the absolutely best of the new girls was Marina, 19 year old student from a small town close to Mogilev 4 hours away from Minsk with train! She has got a superb 180 cm model slim body as she weighed in at only 58 kg and a rather sweet face on top of that! I rate her 8+ or most likely a 9! I shagged her on the second date after she had agreed on coming to my apartment and stay the weekend with me! A bit of persuasion to make her come with train from her home to me in Minsk. But she came in the end and proved to be solid gold! She payed for her own tickets, infact she never asked for money! In my apartment wine and chocolate soon led to passionate tongue kissing and 20 minutes later I could pull her pants down! We were a perfect couple despite Im nearly twice her age! She gave absolute GFE though she nearly didnt speak any english at all! Sex was exellent and she did what a true young lover girl was supposed to do! Hot sex with lots of energy and no hesitation to give BBBJ. On saturday morning I made her a nice breakfast, omelette, bread, veggies and juice and coffe. When I made the omelette I tossed it up in the air rotating it to fry the other side and she was overly impressed! On the saturday she even swallowed my load after a superb blow job. In the evening I cooked her a risotto a la Milanese (go get the spices like saffran and things you need like parmesan cheese at the Rinok - you wont find in normal shops as the domestic cooking is still a bit soviet and undeveloped) with a nice fresh salad and a good white chardonnay from Sicily. That payed off in extremely hot and a bit drunk sex that ended up with anal sex! A bit uncomfortable in the begining for her as I slowly poked her ass, and I asked if it was Ok, and she said Da... Harosho!! Afterwards we took a shower and she walked out before me! I came out 10 minutes later and wondered were she was. She had cleaned the table and was in the kitchen cleaning the plates! What a girl!
Marina gave me a full weekend as my lovely and passionate girlfriend! A true jewel! On the keep list for sure!!

I dated one of the better looking girls I have met in my life, Yana, a 20 year old girl from Vitebsk and easily a 9,5! Ex-model and working with televison shows! At 175 cm and 53 kg with blue eyes and long blond straight hair, dressed in a tight black dress she knocks down all competition down with an ease! Got her to the famous cafe Beze just opposite and 100 m south of Mcdonalds on Skaryny (This street has a new and not pronouncable name btw). We had coffe and it seemed fine. She played a bit with a big necklace and she looked at me like a shrink and told me its real gold to check my reaction! Its looking nice and suits her fine I told her! When I tried to touch her hand she pulled away and 10 minutes later she explained that she can never have a relation to me because I was not good looking enough! Well, well, cest la vie! Just take it like a man when that happens! (frankly I didnt expect to get her, as she seemed very money hungry already in our sms communication and she was definetely used to lots of attention - I was just not the class of man she wanted). I was supposed to meet her already in my february/march trip but back then she demanded that I payed for her trip from vitebsk and payed for a single room at a nice hotel! I told her I rent a big apartment and thet she can stay there and sleep in my bed and I sleep on the sofa! She made clear to me that she is "The lady" and that was her requirements to meet me. And I have sent her my photos ofcourse! I turned her down and we didnt speak for a month or two. The I contacted her again and she agreed to meet as she was in Minsk during my stay. Just a story to laugh about! Six words that describe her the best; Divine, beautiful, ice cold and money hungry!

Another funny incident was a fresh young 18 year old girl from internet, Kira, that agreed to meet me in Minsk and also come to my apartment! We meet in front of Philharmonia where my apartment was and I gave her a daring kiss on the mouth straight away! Suddenly I hear a voice talking loud in Russian and 3 meters behind her comes her father. A bit embarrassing and I shook his hand and he seemed like a friendly guy! I had coffee with this sweet 18 year old Kira but she was clearly inhibited by the fact that she had come with here papa allthough we were alone now. She almost didnt speak a single word of english and after the coffe I took her hand and I walked her to my apartment with sex on my mind. 10 meters infront of the entrance she stopped and seemed very nerveous and tried to explain she had to go! So I tried my best talk her into a visit but she didnt agree! I had to let her go and kissed her good bye underground in the metro (just a brief kiss on the cheek). She send me sms like crazy now and wonder when I return!

I didnt use any P4P girls on this trip as I managed to rotate my four girlfriends quite nicely and giving me free sex most of the days I stayed! I actually called for a pro girl from internet in one afternoon when I was free and bored! We decided that she should come to my apartment for 2 hours for a USD 100. But what the heck... she never showed up!

I went two times to west world club and to two times in disco/casino Juravinka! In westworld I got a few numbers as usual! Danced the night away with a really nice tall and slim 22 year old brunetta and all seemed fine! When I sent her an sms the day after she brutaly wrote me back that if she want to meet me she will contact me! Did not expect that! I also tried my best to hit on a 19 year old Paris Hilton look alike called Aliona! But she refused as she had a boyfriend and waved me off claiming not to know any english! Most annoying as she was a true stunner! Juravinka is starting to be my favourite hunting place! Quite easy to make contacts there! Girls seem to come in single pairs sometimes and interesting in making new contacts! I did not spot any pros or semipros there but I didnt ask around for that either! On two different nights I made good and quite fast contact with two nice girls. Got numbers from these seemingly very interested girls that led to dates a few days later. One of them I still have very good contact with! However I was in Minsk too short time for any follow ups of my second dates with these girls and when they had time I was with other girls!

I didnt try any good "ole" street pick ups! I was busy a lot dating pre contact girls and spending time with the girls I got all the way with.

Sorry, this is all I can give! Will most likely go to Minsk in September again!

All in all; Minsk can be heaven or hell depending on luck, skills, timing and hard work! Russian is very good to know as said before....

Felix

Thank you for the nice report. Pity you did not try some street approaches. I am sure they work in Minsk as well. In general I feel that girls in Minsk are rather unspoilt in comparison to Kiev and Belarus may be the perfect destination for getting freebies. Same economy with Ukraine but no greedy attitude, no extraordinary expenses, no rip-offs. I have quite a lot of contacts there and I will arrange to get there sometime.

I think if you know russian there will be no problem with street pick-up. Pity Felix you were not in Ukraine and you cannot compare Kiev to Minsk regarding freebies. Do you think Belarus is a better hunting place than Moldova? How high are the actual wages in Minsk? In Kiev they stand over 400$ now.

I will be in Minsk for most of next week, including Friday & Saturday nights. Where do I need to go to hook up with as many girls as possible while I am there?

[QUOTE=Inside Yourself]I will be in Minsk for most of next week, including Friday & Saturday nights. Where do I need to go to hook up with as many girls as possible while I am there?[/QUOTE]
Depends on your linguistic skills. Normally I pretend to be very naive, and since Belorussians, well women at least, are very helpful, making contact is no big deal. I found many young girls speak good English. It turned out they all studied English at Minsk State University of Minsk.

Also I noticed they are getting aware of mongers visiting Belorus, so you need to be far more sophisticated, and not act like Italians or Turks do. Hooking up "with as many girls as possible" sounds little exaggerated.
Don't assume they are complete fools. If you are nicer, behave better than other men (incl. foreigners) do, then the girls will come to you. No worry.

So where do you meet them? I head for cafés, preferably near the university (BSU) and stores in the city center. Offical recommendations are like these, including clubs [url]http://www.belarusrent.com/bestplaces.php[/url]
Personally, I found night clubs total waste of time, but your mileage may vary.

Hi Guys,

Could anyone PM me contact info. of girls in Minsk.

I'm going there next week for a couple of days and am looking for GFE experience, so if anyone can share some info. Will be appreciated.

I can give info. about London, Beijing and other chinese cities in return.

PM me.

TC

i am amazed at bez. he is inspiring. so here is my contribution. i picked up these two young honeys on the street near the hotel minsk. it was chance. i do not think the area is known for sw. as it was, i was in a taxi going to a club when i saw long legs, beacons as they were, and a nondescript but obviously horny man attempting to tempt the girls. i returned to the area about a half hour later (the club was dead and/or i too old) and these ladies were still there. i had the taxi stop, which by the way, was not easy when you don’t speak russian, i had to practically feign a heart attack. the ladies spoke little english (as you might have surmised, because i have already said i did not speak russian, my russian language skills are almost non-existence) but i was sure that the language of love would convince these two beauties. they turned me down. as it was, the girls worked only as a pair only. that was ok, there were two of us, i and my little friend (he hates it when i call him that). and while i do not think that the ladies noticed my sorry fat ass and old bald head, they did insist that they could not go with me to the hotel because, they said, they needed a passport to get into the hotel as the hotel had a security policy. alas, they did not have passports. so i tucked my little friend between my legs and went off in my yellow chariot down a couple blocks to the hotel. but when i got there my little friend (did i say he hates it when i call him that) wanted another crack at the girls. so we walked down the two blocks back to where they stood. somehow, between the time i drove to the hotel and walked back to them they had found their passports in their purses. go figure. we struck up a deal. $50 per girl, for at least two hours. sheeeesh. i was going to pass but (you know who, who must not be named) insisted. i added the proviso that i be allowed to photograph. like all good sluts they demurred and said no, to the obvious end of the photographs depicted. no extra money was insisted upon or given. although to warm them up i allowed them to take pictures of me while they pretended to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] me. my little err ‘big boy’ did not think that was funny. i did. and so did they. then, turn about was fair game. typical double gfe experience. the blond was especially good and slippery and my friend almost lost his head before he could get to her friend; he had to be taken away and put into a dark [haired] hole. in the end we had a group photo to commemorate the night [pictured here, and if not. i will post in photo section].

(by the way, a point of information: the hotel did check for passports, as most hotels do in minsk. the hotel will then call you when the girls leave and make sure your not dead, bleeding or tied up. this is true even if the "lady" is your girlfriend or potential wife. most of the hotels will not let any woman into the rooms if they do not leave a passport at the front desk. lastly, i did overpay, and i am sick to death about it. i now know that am one of those bastards that screw up the prices for everyone. for that i apologize. it won’t happen again. i blame.

By the way, (see my previous report) some of the hotels, like in the Ukraine, have working girls. Most notably the Yubinaya, Hotel Belarus and now the name of the other one escapes me. Evidently these hotels are run by mafia types, I am told by unreliable sources (girls working there). Quite frankly the girls are generally everything you don’t want in a Russian bride. They look like Kruschev, and are twice as mean. I stayed at one of the hotels three years ago and the girls would actually ring your room at 1 am and ask if you wanted to pay them for sex. Since their voices sound like Kruscev too, I would politely decline. They would then demand why not, ask whether I liked girls, I did not want to say yes but they did not qualify, so enough said. I do not know if that aggressive marketing occurs now, as I have not been back to that hotel. As it was, I stayed at the Hotel Belarus, where the girls congregate downstairs in the lobby near the small café. All night long, as I traveled to and fro I only saw 1's and 2's. But at about 11, as I was sitting with my portable computer. The lobby is the only place one can sign onto the internet. I noticed a young blond sitting in a chair 10 yards away. I was pondering how I was going to subtle approach her when all of a sudden she yelled out at me "do you want to have sex. " Ahh, Russian women. Point of information: the hotel girls are more expensive. But my friend again. Insisted. I insisted, of course, on photos. She demurred and would not agree. So we went up stairs, she got undressed and showered, I got naked and pulled out the camera. I expected some resistence but to my surprise, she immediately started posing. It appeared to me, that she was having too much fun, yes, too much, I became suspicious. Maybe she did not want to have sex with the old fat bald man. How insulting. I demanded sex, not just sex, but perverted sex, sex that a french ***** would blush and then, after recovering from the thought, would call the gendarmes. But the little minx agreed. While a little muffled so it was hard to hear, she seemed to be laughing. How dare she enjoy herself. I thought, she is obviously was feigning enjoying herself so I would not take more pictures. How conniving. Russian women! You have to watch them. (. I mean really, they are beautiful.)

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Hi Guys,

Here's my bit of information in Minsk.

Most "working girls" go out after 11 pm. , so forget it if you want to find any earlier than that. You could find them on the street near bus stops, in your hotel bars or in discos or night clubs.

Girls can be found in most of the Hotels in and around the bar. Just smile at them and they will come forward and directly ask you, if you want a massage or want to go back to the room (most of these girls speak good english, so not a problem)

I stayed in the Hotel Victoria and this one is a brand new hotel and good rooms nd service. If you stay there, look out for 2 girls named Olga (8/10). They are nice and you'll be assured a good time (unless you act tough and arent good to them)

Going rate with the girls from the hotel bar are 150 USD/Hour. But, if you are in no hurry, you could get them down to 100 USD (Quality of girls is much better then the SW's)

Night Clubs like Over Time opposite Millennium Casino (800 mtrs. From Victoria Hotel) are also good pick-up points, but you never know who is a working girl and who isn't, thats always a problem.

SW's can be found around the bus stops from 11 pm onwards, but most of these girls are all 5 and less on a scale of 10 and they don't speak English either.

So mates, if you can speak russian and know urself around, try the other adventorous ways, otherwise stick to the girls in the hotel bars.

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[QUOTE=PeterInUSA04]

I am amazed at Bez.

So here is my contribution. I will post photos.

By the way hotels call and make sure your not dead, bleeding or tied up.

Then if you are do not overpay death.

I know the bastard up there apologize.
I won’t.

bam

[/QUOTE]

Do I amaze you?
Or do's I amuse you?
Now I'm funny?
How?
Funny, like ha ha?
:D

But Pitr-of50States, all your sharp style and classic tales leave us guessing, because you did NOT post fotos of your two young $50 SW honey-sluts or your young little blond hotel lobby minx.

So forget about apologizing for overpaying, apologize for not posting pics!

WE are sick about that. ;)

Bez,

I have posted the photos! And so ends the tails of the Multiple Minsk-ies and Blond Belarus. (That was harder than getting the two honeys into bed in the first place.)

SW:
May have been some at the bus stop, I was too cold to check at night. A local friend tells me though that they gather in the area of (bus stop, etc..) the circus at the intersection of nezavisimosti and....

Clubs:
Went to WestWorld (Hotel Belarus) once. Middle of winter and a weeknight but still a good size crowd when I came around midnight. Plenty of pretty young gyrating things to watch. Got approached by a few girls at the bar, assume they were working. Didn't follow through as I was with company.

Internet:
I used two sites:
[url]http://www.minsklove.net/[/url]
[url]http://www.intimby.net/[/url]

[url]http://babelfish.altavista.com[/url] is your translation friend.

The problem with both is:

(1) The majority of phones are switched off. On the first night when I started with minsklove around 10pm I called 20+ numbers before getting an answer. It's not always the case that these are bad listings, as in some cases I would call a number later on or the next day and get through. So if there's a specific girl you're interested in, best to look and call/e-mail in advance so you have some way to get in touch on the day they're needed.

(2) Most of the girls don't speak english. Of the five girls I did finally reach through the sites, only one spoke enough english to negotiate and arrange. A couple did know a very few words and were willing to be patient with my stumbling Russian. Nicely, no one hung up when I asked if they speak english, as has happened in some other places.

Girls:
After an hour of trying numbers from the minsklove site I finally got one that answered and spoke english. We'll call her Tanya but she went by four different names. Profile here:

[url]http://www.minsklove.net/list.php?g=????????????&link=234[/url]
and here:
[url]http://www.minsklove.net/list.php?g=????????????&link=94[/url]

Same girl. Yes, the pics are real. Yes, two phone different phone numbers.

Tanya is 25, platinum blond, great body, so/so face, very relaxing and fun personality, speaks ok english. Price was US $150 for the night + ~25 for taxi. Night means whenever you decide to go to bed as she doesn't stay over. She came and we went to WestWorld. Quite helpful with getting a taxi, getting in to the club, ordering drinks, etc... Very touchy and girlfriend like on the dance floor. After some time to get a mood and a little drunk we went back to my apartment. She does a good performance in the bedroom, but with CBJ.

Tanya lives with a younger friend, Ksenia who doesn't speak english. I really had my heart set on doing a typical Belarusian looking brunette and she fit the bill perfectly. She felt uncomfortable coming alone so Tanya brought her to my place and waited as we fooled around and fucked. That was a little strange. Wish I could have combined the two; Tanya's bubbly, dancing personality in Ksenia's tight little body. Ksenia didn't have the feel of a pro. A little shy, a little too affectionate. WIsh I could have kept her in bed longer, a passionate fucker, sucker, and kisser. Like Tanya, tight body, so/so face. Damage was $100 for two hours.

I believe both girls also do in-call.

November is a cold cold time to be in Belarus.

Get a downloadable PDF guide (Minsk In Your Pocket) to the city at:
[url]http://www.inyourpocket.com/static/download/downloads_main.html[/url]

Visa:
Use a tourist agency to arrange your Visa/invitation letter/etc... for you, it's just so much easier and only costs ~$40
After that you just take the documents provided and pick up your Visa when your arrive at the airport in Minsk. I was asked to bring a passport sized photo but they never asked for it or used it. Visa at the airport was $180.
I used [url]www.belhuntservice.com[/url] They were quick and spoke good english. Payment via bank transfer or PayPal only, no credit cards (though you can get a PayPal account with your credit card).

Apartment:
Hotels were expensive. $200/night plus. Some also may gripe about bringing guests. Get an apartment.
I stayed in two different apartments. The first was a single bedroom somewhat renovated place for 40 Euro a night. Very decent, wouldn't be ashamed to bring a girl back there. The other was a two bedroom, two living room, newly redone (and very nicely) bathroom and kitchen for 70 Euro/night. Both were located near Victory Square, which is a ten minute walk or one metro stop from central downtown. Neither had internet access, bummer. I used [url]www.belhuntservice.com[/url] to find an apartment. They have more than what is listed on the website, they're helpfull, and they speak fine english.

Arrival:
You'll arrive at the Minsk-2 airport, locating a scenic 45 minutes away from the city. No train service, extremely infrequent buas service. Pay a taxi ~$25 or better yet have the travel agency that did your visa waiting for you, though it costs a bit more.

Subway:
Cheap, comes fairly often, doesn't go a whole bunch of places but can get you to the area. Buy a 600 ruble single use token at the cash counter.

Taxi:
By meter or distance/price matrix print-out the driver has. Price was about $.50 per kilometer.
I asked a Taxi driver for help finding prostitutes and he offered up the classifieds section of a newpsaper and offered to help with calling. Didn't have any places to drive me though to look in person. Maybe it was too early or too cold?

Car Service:
Hertz (amongst others) offers cars with drivers. Price for a nice four door with leather interior was USD $20/hour + gas.
+375-29-660-2988
+375-17-209-9091
Great service, great driver. Over 9 hours I got taken to eat, to shop, to do business, to tourist some nearby towns and to pick up a girl friend. Fuck public transportation, this was far easier than trying to figure out the trains, busses, and other BS. Driver spoke good english, new everywhere I wanted to go, and not a single complaint or "we can't do that"

Internet:
Not so many internet cafe's around. All the business hotel (Europe, Victoria, etc...) have business centers with cheap internet access. Some also have free wireless in the lobby.

ATM's:
I'm not saying there aren't any, but none of the ATM's I tried would take my Visa debit card. Mastercard debit card worked everywhere.

Expense:
Minsk was suprisingly pricey. Expect to pay Western (or higher) prices for western things (clothes, food, alcohol, etc...). A main course at a mid level restaurant is usually $20 to $30.
The low end price for girls started at $50/hour, $150/night and went up to $150/hour depending on the website and the girl. Very reasonable selection at the $50/hour range though.

Phone:
You can get a prepaid SIM for your mobile on the spot at some local phone shops (but AFAIK not at gas stations, stalls, etc...)
Privet was one brand name. Charge cards for the phone again seemed harder to find than in western countries. Hotel front desk didn't have any, stalls didn't have any. Only the phone shops. Stock up!
Calling international is also outrageosuly expensive. I recall at least $.50 per minute to Europe and over $1 per minute to the U.S.

Country code for Belarus is +375. After that, mobile phones will start with a 29, Minsk landlines start with 17. Both are then followed by seven digits. I have no idea how to call from a fixed phone. The one in my apartment was 20+ years old (made in the CCCP even) and shocked me whenever I touched it.

This was my first trip to Minsk.
I stayed in the Hotel Victoria. Hotel is okay. Arrived in the morning an early checkin was possible.

At lunch time I had to go to meeting in another hotel ("Minsk"). The people I met invited me after lunch in the hotel bar for coffee and some drinks. I was really surprised to see nice girls (20-30yo) in the hotel bar. When I was leaving I asked the concierge about their services and girls. He told me that the hotelbar at the Minsk would be a hot spot in order to meet girls, also at lunch time. Next time I will check this out.

The dinner was organized in a place outside my hotel. Since most of the guests were drunken after 2 hours I left the dinner party and went back to my hotel.

The hotel bar at the Victoria was occupied by some groups of Asian and French people. I ordered a beer and found some interesting girls. After some smiles 2 of them approached me, we chatted a little bit (english was fine) and then they offered me directly 150 Euro ST and 250 Euro LT for one ot them, twice for two. I opted for Clara (24yo, tall) . We had some additional drinks together, then I went with Clara to my room.
We showered together and went to bed. Since Clara was a little bit drunken, she fall asleep while chatting in the bed. I waited for a while, looked to her body (7/10) and felt also asleep. I woke up 2 hours later, Clara slept and I started to give her a massage. She woke up and so started a nice GFE in Minsk. Powerful sex, massage. Clara knows how to treat a man. She stayed until breakfast which we had together in the bed.
Total damage: 250 Euro + 50 Euro tip + 80 Euro drinks

[QUOTE=Whomer]Total damage: 250 Euro + 50 Euro tip + 80 Euro drinks[/QUOTE]
300 euro? Wow, either money is no issue to you, or you were extremely horny.

[QUOTE=Leeuwen]300 euro? Wow, either money is no issue to you, or you were extremely horny.[/QUOTE]

If you re-read his report, this was for long-term. Though he didn't say exactly how many hours he had Clara, one could infer it was for at least four hours. So a pretty good deal, IMO.

Hi All,

I'm new here and just wondering if Minx / Belarus is the right place to visit. I am 26 and 5"7 and British. I know that I will need a visa to Belarus which I will arrange soon.

Any Advice will be much appreciated

Thanks

[QUOTE=Namster]Hi All,

I'm new here and just wondering if Minx / Belarus is the right place to visit. I am 26 and 5"7 and British. I know that I will need a visa to Belarus which I will arrange soon.

Any Advice will be much appreciated

Thanks[/QUOTE]Don't do it too cold. you can better go to Kiev -Busapest or Prag for east european hookers.

Have you been to Minx ?

I'm am looking for the freebie non pro route and Felix Nordic seems to make a honest post?

Felix if your around please advise.

[QUOTE=Kut Land]Don't do it too cold. you can better go to Kiev -Busapest or Prag for east european hookers.[/QUOTE]

I am trying to talk my buddy to come to minsk with me but he thinks we will not have a good time.

I am looking for some updated information on the club scene. We normally only pick up freebies though sometimes if I strike out I dont mind the 5AM ho.

We basically live in Kiev 1/2 the year and have not really been outside ukraine in EE so I was thinking minsk would be cool this spring.

Can someone update me to the freebie / club / pro scene? The good / bad / ugly?

Thanks

Hi Telos

I am there next week onwards, PM and we can meet up.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Telos]I am trying to talk my buddy to come to minsk with me but he thinks we will not have a good time.

I am looking for some updated information on the club scene. We normally only pick up freebies though sometimes if I strike out I dont mind the 5AM ho.

We basically live in Kiev 1/2 the year and have not really been outside ukraine in EE so I was thinking minsk would be cool this spring.

Can someone update me to the freebie / club / pro scene? The good / bad / ugly?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

I will be in Minsk next week. I would like to know if someone have tried "minsklove.net", if the pictures are real and if the girls speak English. Any report about sauna / massage salon in Minsk?

Thanks

Hello,

I have just got back from Minx and it has been a strange week.coming from a Good life of living in London I had found it quite hard in Minx in terms of the cold and daily struggle of Life. The Girls are friendly and honest and really very sweet. Most who I met did not speak english too well, but were happy to talk to me. I went to Shayba (Westworld). Very nice and also very seedy with old guys and moustaches. I also went to Overtime (Definately seems like all Pro's there, I could tell by the line of Gucci & prada handbags on the bar). I also went to the bronx but it was quiet and Madsion (which was very small). Finally went to WhiteTower which was nice and I met a really nice girl there who I hope to see again. So to summarize if you want a Pro they are there avaliable, if you want a GFE they are also there (but will be harder if you don't have any Russian Skills). I am using Rosetta Stone to improve before I go back.

[QUOTE=Namster]Hello,

I have just got back from Minx and it has been a strange week.coming from a Good life of living in London I had found it quite hard in Minx in terms of the cold and daily struggle of Life. The Girls are friendly and honest and really very sweet. Most who I met did not speak english too well, but were happy to talk to me. I went to Shayba (Westworld). Very nice and also very seedy with old guys and moustaches. I also went to Overtime (Definately seems like all Pro's there, I could tell by the line of Gucci & prada handbags on the bar). I also went to the bronx but it was quiet and Madsion (which was very small). Finally went to WhiteTower which was nice and I met a really nice girl there who I hope to see again. So to summarize if you want a Pro they are there avaliable, if you want a GFE they are also there (but will be harder if you don't have any Russian Skills). I am using Rosetta Stone to improve before I go back.[/QUOTE]

Good report from a probably of my next destinations but still wonder the procedures to get a visa? is too complicate and expensive? please your advices and prices of the pros and non pros (young students looking for some extra money) there

Some do-able girls were hanging around with some pretty cheesy guys, these boys only had enough kopeks to buy beer.

They definitely would have been happy to have opportunities to do some shopping, and were very easy to talk to and quite friendly in conversation, but visiting a foreigner's flat was NOT something they felt was appropriate.

Some more up to date information on Minsk please?

Come on Bez, you already know 'let's go back to my apartment' is Russian for 'let's fuck'.


[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra] but visiting a foreigner's flat was NOT something they felt was appropriate.[/QUOTE]

Wil be back to Minsk for 2 days after one year. Any special new places up and running there?

Max-Show used to be good, lots of nice chicks, and workable, if you survived the drinking with your customer.

I was on a business trip in Minsk for one week. Stayed at hotel Victoria which is quite new, but some kilometer outside the city center (but the bus stop is close). I must say, even new, I didn't like it much, no good service. The curtain couldn't be closed and it was very bright at 6am every morning, and they needed three days to fix it. WiFi did not work, internet by cable was snail mail.

3-4 girls hung out in the bar every night. They ask for 100 Euro or 220 $, I negotiated down to 150$.

There are also girls in other hotel bars, at least in Hotel Yubileynaya and Planeta. Didn't see any at hotel Minsk, but maybe 10pm was too early.

The one at Planeta said, it would not be a problem for her to go to Victoria, she would just need to drop her ID.

So, I thought they are girl. Friendly, but, on my last day I took a girl from the bar again to my room, and when I paid the next day, I had an item 'special hotel services' on my bill. 44000 Rubel, approx 20$. It was explained by "visitor in the room after 11pm".

I tried West World at hotel Belarus and Over Time, but no action before midnight. Would I stay in Victoria again? No way. Much better to stay closer to the city center in one of a. M. Hotels.

Umm, 100e is 150 USD, well actually $158.49. Nice negotiation skills, you saved $8.50. :)

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Umm, 100e is 150 USD, well actually $158.49. Nice negotiation skills, you saved $8.50. :)[/QUOTE]Lol, not really impressive. Must have been that they asked for 150 Euro, this seems to be more equivalent to 220 $. I didn't really listen properly, as I had just dollars.

I'd like to go in minsk, can you help me with same details?

Hotels. Nice sauna to visit with complementary girls inside?

May be nice restaurants. Caffe. Or students need a sponsor for studing!

All is welcome,

Thank's

When I was in Minsk about 4 years ago there was an agency that had pictures and apartments for rent. Does anyone have a link to apartment rental agency(ies)? Couldn't find anything on this board. Thanks.

[url]http://www.belarusrent.com[/url]

[QUOTE=Sean EZ]When I was in Minsk about 4 years ago there was an agency that had pictures and apartments for rent. Does anyone have a link to apartment rental agency(ies)? Couldn't find anything on this board. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Thank you Namster.

[QUOTE=Drakar]Minsk was a terrible place for pros when I was there in 2005.

I do not recommend unless you want to spend time in your room masturbating.[/QUOTE]

Yep Belarus is really only for "Wife Shopping" full stop and even that is "risk" as a business proposition....

[QUOTE=Bamboo Pete]Lol, not really impressive. Must have been that they asked for 150 Euro, this seems to be more equivalent to 220 $. I didn't really listen properly, as I had just dollars.[/QUOTE]


Bamboo Pete - that $150 was for a couple of hours or the whole nite?

Over and over again I read much negative information on this forum about minsk.
I fly off from Minsk in two days - its bad:

1. Here much beautiful and available pussy

2. If know where address possible inexpensively to remove the home, find good and inexpensive rest.

In Europe this dearly, but in Minsk for small money possible to get the good rest. In Europe no gerls beautiful as in Minsk particularly for 60$.

I have tried nearly all types of the sex for fortnight, but if you in city nothing do not know possible to find good guide...

In Minsk it is possible to have a rest cheerfully, for ridiculous money in comparison with other countries of Europe. But Belarus is officially closed for sex of tourism (USSR) if will address to guides more cheaply than for all to search most - the house, a bar, the woman.

Visited in Minsk the nightclub Overtime fot the first time. Its located on Pe....street in a sport komplex. That it is the street leaving independence sqare for Minsk Arena, where also Hotel Victoria is situated, but much closer to the city on the right side. It was one of the best places I have ever been to. 70% of the guests are girls and willing to party.The majority of them seem to be interested in contacts. It was a thrilling night which ended up lonely for me, because my russian is not existing and I m maybe a little bit to old for the place.

Try it you will enjoy it even when you are not scoring.

I would suggest that you try to set up a couple of dates with a number of women from dating websites before you travel to Minsk. Depending on how long you intend to stay, have at least 5 or 6 date set, and meet with each one of the girls on the first and second day you arrive. Feel them out and ask them out for a second date that will hopefully lead to going to bed.

[QUOTE=Til1987]Over and over again I read much negative information on this forum about minsk.

I fly off from Minsk in two days - its bad:

1. Here much beautiful and available pussy

2. If know where address possible inexpensively to remove the home, find good and inexpensive rest.

In Europe this dearly, but in Minsk for small money possible to get the good rest. In Europe no gerls beautiful as in Minsk particularly for 60$.

I have tried nearly all types of the sex for fortnight, but if you in city nothing do not know possible to find good guide...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Toivo91]

In Minsk it is possible to have a rest cheerfully, for ridiculous money in comparison with other countries of Europe.

But Belarus is officially closed for sex of tourism.[/QUOTE]How does any monger have a "rest cheerfully" without any girls? What kind of cheerful rest is that? What do you do, sit in the park and feed the birds?

The only "cheerful" part of having a rest, is HAVING some girls!

If Belarus is "closed", then its NOT possible to have a rest!

Yadrona Mysh!

I need some help. Normally I have stayed either in Hotel Minsk or even Plabeta AL.The last one at least has a nightclub on the 1st floor which is designed for mongers need and cheap. Last time the girls had been so ugly that I don t want to repeat this experience.People told me that Crown Plaza is the new hot spot in town. Can somebody confirm this. Is there a bar or nightclub in the hotel and you will have no problems in getting them to your room.

Thank you in advance.

Crown plaza is new hot spot in town only as being very luxurious and expensive place. I've been at the opening of the hotel last August and menagment had to sign a document stating they will not allow prostitution in the place under criminal responsibility. Present was president himself and members of government. So Crown plaza is not girl friendly hotel definitely. The only relatively girl friendly hotels in Minsk are Viktoria and Europa but it seems they have their own rules.

Hi

Somebody in BY next week?

My main purpose for going to Minsk this month was to explore the freebie scene and follow up on my internet contacts. I had a great time and a few promising prospects for my visit next month. As for P4P, which is not really my thing, I can confirm what other posters had noticed before: Minsk is less of a monger destination than Moscow, Peter or Kiev, and the reasons for this are obviously the tight governmental restrictions on the scene in Belarus. The scarcity of offers on the Internet reflects the absence of organized P4P services. Most site numbers were dead when I rang, and I had to rely exlusively on the few numbers I secured by email or through messages using the search parameters of [url]www.mamba. Ru[/url]. So, in the two weeks I spent in Minsk, I only managed to reach 8 girls, 6 of which I eventually met. In terms of numbers, this is a joke, and I wouldn’t bother writing my second post in this forum, if it weren’t for some suprising patterns.

•First, all of the girls I met were 18 or 19 year old students whose profiles indicated 21 or 22 year old pros. When I asked them about the discrepancy, they apologised for being younger, which was just the opposite of what I had experienced in Russia or Ukraine, where girls are usually 2-3 years older than indicated.

•Second, except Katya, who was clearly a pro, all the girls had little to no experience in the field, and the ensuing sex was of the best GFE kind I can remember. None of them asked for money upfront, and two of them even refused to take any. However, I insisted, because I don’t want them to call me afterwards. Let me just recall a few of the highlights in random order.

First there was Julia 19, who advertised under a fake photo using a false name and age. After a number of calls and text messages, she finally agreed to meet, on the condition that I pick her up from her parents’ home, which I did. She was a timid blond, with A cup breasts and a tight butt – in her own words, she was a „sportsmenka. " I still keep in touch, as I might want to see her again next month. One of her web photos attached.

Then, there was Zhenya 18, who was the flatmate of the pro, Katya 20, I had booked and shagged on a late Thursday night. Zhenya strolled into the kitchen with her dog and joined into our conversation. As I left the apartment, I asked her for her number, and the next day she agreed to meet, first in her apartment, and the next two days in mine. Never before had I felt the urge to repeat, let alone twice, but Zhenya was special, as you’ll see from the photos below. She’s about 170 tall, 50 kg. After 3 hours of sex, oral without and rough sex in all positions, I slipped 150 dollars in her pocket. She took it out, shook her head, and handed 50 back to me. That’s my girl.

And last, on the day I left Minsk, there was Karolina 18, looking somewhat younger in her hip hop gear. I’d been in touch with her through a dating site, and had lately noticed that she actually looks for a sponsor. I had texted her during my first stay in Minsk, but we didn’t manage to meet, and she appeared very non-committal this time, too. As I met Dasha 18 outside McDonalds on a Sunday afternoon, a girl who looked to sell her virginity to the highest bidder, her friend introduced herself as Karolina, and I couldn’t believe that I was just meeting two girlfriends I had chased independently. Dasha looked less attractive than in the photos, and I quickly focused attention on the sweet Karolina, as we strolled through the park holding hands. We agreed to meet again, because I had another date lined up in half an hour. On my final day then, we met at 11 am, walked straight to my apartment, had coffee over a Russian copy of QC and started making out. She had perky breasts, a translucent complexion as only Russians can have, and an incredibly tight body, standing 175 tall and weighing 50 kg. Minutes later, and I still couldn’t believe my luck, I was easing my dick in. Afterwards she told me that I was only her 3rd guy and that she’d lost her virginity two months ago. On her way out, my plane was leaving in two hours, she mumbled something about „sponsorstvo" and I slipped my „padarok" (80 dollars) in her pocket. As I hope to see her and the other two girls again next month, I won’t give out their numbers.

So, to sum up, the pains of reaching pros in Minsk was somewhat eased by the quality of their looks and GFE, which was clearly beyond my expectations.

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Hi White Nose,

I'll be in Minsk in 2 weeks. And I have already some contacts but I tried today to use [url]www.mamba[/url]. Ru not many, or they asked me to be a vip user so to pay for chatting. Worth it?

Anyway thank's for your report. And photos too. So minsk is still a nice place for pulling girls, and if you have other suggestions I'll be glad to follow!

All the best.

May be next time we'll be in the same hotel or we'll meet for a glass of red wine.

[QUOTE=White Noise]....After 3 hours of sex, oral without and rough sex in all positions, I slipped 150 dollars in her pocket. She took it out, shook her head, and handed 50 back to me. That’s my girl.....[/QUOTE]

Are you from Italy ?

Cause it is very typical for italians to ruin the attitude of girls paying 2x or 3x the price the local pays....

If you are able, I guess not, try to figure out why she gave you back 50 usd !!!

I will never understand why somebody has to overpay so much without any one little good reasons....

Next time try to pay her 300 usd... you will feel even better and maybe she will neither give you back 1 usd....

I don't know what hags you have in mind when suggesting 3 hours for 50 USD, or perhaps you're re-living the Golden Ages of the previous millennium. What counts for me is the quality of the young student, who was skinny, with flawless skin and perfect breasts. Since there wasn't any agreement on price beforehand, I have absolutely no qualms about giving my beauty 30 dollars above what the regular 26 y. O. Club pro would ask. And you know what? Generosity paid off, as she gave back what she thought was too much. It's a more advanced form of bargaining, think about it. And sorry to disappoint you, I'm not Italian, are you Czech by any chance?

[QUOTE=White Noise]...And you know what? Generosity paid off, as she gave back what she thought was too much. It's a more advanced form of bargaining, think about it. And sorry to disappoint you, I'm not Italian, are you Czech by any chance?[/QUOTE]

I disappoint you too, I am not Czech.

What you call generosity, it is indeed to overcharge and paid off, only cause you was lucky...

"Advanced form of bargain to overpay?!?"

Are you seriously ???

probably you are the most intelligent person in the world.... but why are you so intelligent and you pay for sex? ah, ok, probbly you can write lots of good reasons...:-)


[QUOTE=Lukasek]Are you from Italy ?

Cause it is very typical for italians to ruin the attitude of girls paying 2x or 3x the price the local pays....

If you are able, I guess not, try to figure out why she gave you back 50 usd !!!

I will never understand why somebody has to overpay so much without any one little good reasons....

Next time try to pay her 300 usd... you will feel even better and maybe she will neither give you back 1 usd....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=White Noise]

I don't know what hags you have in mind when suggesting 3 hours for 50 USD.

What counts for me is the quality of the young student, who was skinny, with flawless skin and perfect breasts.

Since there wasn't any agreement on price beforehand, I have absolutely no qualms about giving my beauty 30 dollars above what the regular 26 y. O. Club pro would ask.

And you know what? Generosity paid off, as she gave back what she thought was too much.

It's more advanced.

[/QUOTE]

Yes, hags are exactly what he has in mind, because what you had is something he doesn't relate to.

ESPECIALLY generosity! Or ANYTHING advanced.

Don't waste your time arguing, you will NEVER get through, and only provoke responses that are even LESS intelligible, as you already see.

When you go back to Minsk, try running down some cab drivers that are driving new black Mercedes, they should give you a hand in the p4p scene with reliable agencies. To fill in the the time between internet girls. By the way, how much was Dasha selling her cherry for?

As far as meeting girlfriends that you weren't aware of, when there's one playing the game, its not that surprising to find that sometimes they play it together on the down low.

[QUOTE=George 6969]Visited in Minsk the nightclub Overtime fot the first time. Its located on Pe....street in a sport komplex. That it is the street leaving independence sqare for Minsk Arena, where also Hotel Victoria is situated, but much closer to the city on the right side. It was one of the best places I have ever been to. 70% of the guests are girls and willing to party.The majority of them seem to be interested in contacts. It was a thrilling night which ended up lonely for me, because my russian is not existing and I m maybe a little bit to old for the place.

Try it you will enjoy it even when you are not scoring.[/QUOTE]

George, thanks for your very informative post. Club Overtime sounds great; which are the other top places for freebies?

Do you recommend hotels or private apartments? Will I have a problem bringing a girl back to my room?

Is Minsk dead in Summer due to everyone going on holiday? Is it best to wait until autumn when school starts up again? :)

[QUOTE=Ash1001]George, thanks for your very informative post. Club Overtime sounds great; which are the other top places for freebies?

Do you recommend hotels or private apartments? Will I have a problem bringing a girl back to my room?

Is Minsk dead in Summer due to everyone going on holiday? Is it best to wait until autumn when school starts up again? :)[/QUOTE]Hi,

Iwas in minsk two years ago. I would recommend west world club. There are hundreds of girls there. I hooked up with two beautiful girl students there. There are also many hookers there as well.

The place is really huge and they have very nice shows. Inthe same complex they have a strip club where you can actually touch the girls. And very nice girls as well.

As for taking girls I think you can take girls before 11pm you have to pay security at the hotel.

Minsk is very spread out. And I suggest you find a reliable taxi driver with some basic english.

Another upmarket club is Maddisons.

I would avoid hookers in hotel bars they were quoting something like 100 euros for the hour.

Girls very friendly just walk up to them and start a conversation.

Ash info for you,

Private apartments. Most hotels in Minsk are NOT girl friendly, depending in which one you stay.

Bringing girl in hotel room can be a problem or not. In some hotel they will not allow you to bring non guest to the hotel, in other they will but they will charge you this with explanation "non hotel guest in the room". Hotels which are girlfriendly are Viktoria and Evropa, others needs to be check.

Minsk is pretty dead in the summer. People are on holidays, students not from Minsk went home for the summer, etc.

Also the weather is nice so most people (including girls) are outside drinking in the parks and river banks and not in the night clubs.

If the girls are main reason much better to come in the autumn or winter when students are at their universities and no way to stay outside but most be inside in the night club.

West World Club is not that interesting now, on most days it's poorly visited.

Many hookers there can also be a police women posing as hookers to make some arrest. They receive bonus if they arrest some foreigner.

The hit club in Minsk now is Black Door but it's expensive.

Minsk is very spread out but if you don't need to visit those soviet blocks everything you need is located in the main street - Prospekt Nezavisimosti.

Night clubs, restaurants, bars, hotels, banks. For a foreigner there's no need to go away from there.

"Girls very friendly just walk up to them and start a conversation" this is generalisation. Knowledge of russian is more important than in Russia or Ukraine. Without it chances are much less. Mongering in Belarus basically needs much more work than in Ukraine and is much harder. In Minsk chances are better with weekend semi pros from Moscow and Poland. For polish ones better hurry their visas will expire December this year and it will be bye bye for them.

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I was several times in Minsk the last few years. Madison is by far the club with the best looking girls. West World Club (sheiba) is quite big but half empty even on weekends. Belaya Vezha can also be good place if they have temporarely special events.

The problem with those clubs is that there are not many studens (if any) because its too expensive for them. Entrance fee is arround $20. So, you will see a lot of nice girls, but they are either hoes or are accompanied by their "rich" boyfriends.

Therefore I think bars are the better option to get to know student girls. 05 (nullpiat) was a good place until it became a foreigners favourite place. Also important: If you want to boost your chances in Minsk, you need to speak some basic Russian.

Good luck!

Thanks very much guys, much appreciated. Might check out Minsk around the end of September. Will any of you be there then?

Hello!

I have super bad experiences from anything even resembling monger activities in east Europe.

Need to go to Minsk either next week or the following, though. Work is calling but only for 2-3 days tops, so no time to work on students for to long.

ANY heads up is highly appreciated since the prospect of ending up in jail due to trying to pick up an under cover cop sounds super scary and indeed inconvenient with regards to my travel plans.

I am not cheap but do not want to pay a fortune either, i.e. I think a 22 year north European escort normally charge a bit over my comfort level. But as always it depends on age, looks and attitude. The best is always “normal” girls, and these I can locate but a fall back plan in form of a number or some place to visit makes all the turn off's I likely will experience so much easier to swallow. The “oh well, at least I can go to Dolly's Massage Institute and get a hand job”-exit turns visiting losers into less losers and dull promenades to interesting excursions with the prospect of a nice little round off to contemplate while watching old buildings.

Massage with happy ending, some cute girls touring me, call in, visit to a secure apartment or info about anything else putting me closer to having an encounter with my first east European girl ever is highly appreciated.

I have all ranging from black Mercedes cabbies to The West World Club on my list, but lack some verified numbers or studios that I am sure someone out there sits on.
Thank you for reading. Any help will be much appreciated and treated however requested by the one kind enough to share!

Cheers from Barba!

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Barba few guidelines for you.

You said to have super bad experiences with mongering in East Europe.

Minsk is definitelly NOT a place to start your activities so don't be dissapointed if you again have bad experiances. Simply to say you'll need to "graduate" at some other place before Minks can be a option.

Kiev is much better place to start.

Minsk can give some results with advanced work on the net few weeks before arriving. But obviously you don't have that time. Also you will stay just for 2-3 days. Don't want that registration process eh?

This time is definitelly not enough for some freebie. So what are your options? Don't know if you will stay in hotel or apartment but maybe you can check some of the hotel pros. Most probably you can find them in hotels Europa and Viktoria. But don't expect some good quality or low price. Maybe girls from Poland and Moldova or some Moscow girls during weekend. Probably can find some pros in West World Club, again don't expect much regarding quality and price. Usually the rule is that girl is that will be by herself or maybe 2-3 girls in the group. But this is not exact rule since. Sure there will be some undercover cops there and you want to avoid them. How to recognize them. They are never alone, usually in group like 2-3 and they usually have the same model of heeled shoes (looks like government issue or something). They can also take the initiative and approach you as soon as they figure you're foreigner. The best thing to know is they will usually to try to get you talking about local politics, presenting them as opposition supporters, etc. This cause for alarm and better stay away. Keep in mind offending the president can be punished withb jail up to 3 years in Belarus.

So good luck, I'd like to say "happy hunting" but it will be hard.

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Kurenda, thank You a lot!

I will keep my expectation to architecture, food and maybe some good beers. Any female encounters will be a bonus.

Kiev is actually on the map for coming months so maybe I get more lucky there.
Regards Barba

Hello again.

Anyone care to comment on the escort scene? 100 Euros for an hour is OK if the girl is good, but I did read somewhere that these where also set ups. Scary.

[url]http://natali.escort-site.com[/url]

[url]http://www.escort-directory.eu/Escorts/Belarus/Escorts-Minsk.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.russiansexbombs.com/minsk-escorts.html[/url]

Etc.

Found using Google.

/Barba

Minsk architecture can be interested but only that located in the main street where buildings were constructed in period 1944-1953.

Most people will call it "stalin architecture" but actually great majority of the building designes from tzarist Russia. They only removed imperial signs and replace them with communists ones.

Food - try some local food don't get stuck in that shushi and italian restaurants in the main street. Average quality with high prices.

Beer - local produced Krinica and Bobrov are ok, lots of russian and important.
Keep in mind Minsk is expencive place if you want western goods. Everything imported from the west is like 30-40% more expencive than in some western countries.

Those web sites are most probably fake. 900-1000 euro for a night is no way!
"Escorts" Natali and Kati, use the very similar web site design, the same phone number and email. Pictures are taken from some russian dosug web site.
The other site showing escorts in 3 pages are mostly fake, the pictures are taken from those "marriage agencies" websites.

In Belrus there was only one web site for p4p but it seems to be blocked by the government.

For p4p don't rely on websites they are usually fake. Hey even porn DVD's are forbidden for sale in Belrus.

Even on russian forum sextalk which have far greater traffic than ISG there are basically no info on Minsk.

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Hello,

My friends! My English not very good, sorry.

I can prepare you my hot wife. She is pretty, beautiful girls. She's 25/167/68, good ass.

She is sexwife, and I like it :)

If you want meet my wife - sent me private messaging.

I can send more she's photo to your mail.

Good luck.

Great!

Do you and your wife usually travel in groups of 2-3 and have the same model of heeled shoes?

Or is the idea of bidding out wifey even to far fetched for Belarus cops?

Barba getting to paranoid to even go to Belarus soon

Minsklife, your wife is pretty no matter what she works with.

I'd be interested in more info and I am sure more mongers with me.

Either post it here or get a subscription so I can PM you.

Barba

I am in love with Minsk.

After a week end involving one Russian girl pulling another one out of the taxi in her hair, black caviar with vodka, 60-year birthday party with strip tease entertainment for a political hot shot, a fabulous night at Voglia Matta, another one at Next, I can just say that even if the p4p scene in Minsk is a bit unformalized, anyone that get a chance should visit this lovely city.

People are nice and open minded, and safety is not an issue here. Just let the cabbies drive you on the meter and you'll be fine.

Best from Barba

Barba glad that you liked Minsk.

You hit it at the right time, meaning weekend.

This is the best time to visit Minsk (at least at the night).

It can be somehow dead during the weekdays.

But even so most probably great majority of Minsk population at this time is away on holidays. Crimea for example where Minsk girls are more available and approachable then in their home town.

For taxi rides it can be cheaper also after making the deal with the driver, especially at night. For this russian knowledge is needed.

As for p4p you have seen for yourself there are better places for this than Minsk. Kiev if we look close by.

The problem with Belarus is definitelly visa. More costly and even harder to get it than russian visa. And also stuff at belarus embassies can be real bastards he he.

[QUOTE=Minsklife]Hello,

My friends! My English not very good, sorry.

I can prepare you my hot wife. She is pretty, beautiful girls. She's 25/167/68, good ass.

She is sexwife, and I like it :)

If you want meet my wife - sent me private messaging.

I can send more she's photo to your mail.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]Hi Minsklife,

I am interested. Please send me more details.

Kind regards

3 questions:

1. I'm about to hit Minsk, and was wondering how good is the English or Italian of young women there, students ...? I'm only interested in freebies, so I'll try the clubs, I don't speak Russian, so English or Italian are my only options.

2. Is there anything fun to do in Minsk at night during the week days? Is there a bar/club where I could party on a Wednesday night for instance?

3. I assume the city is pretty empty now, and it gets more crowded when school begins. When does the university year begin, is it 1st of September?

[quote=minsklife]hello,

my friends! my english not very good, sorry.

i can prepare you my hot wife. she is pretty, beautiful girls. she's 25/167/68, good ass.

she is sexwife, and i like it :)

if you want meet my wife - sent me private messaging.

i can send more she's photo to your mail.

good luck.[/quote]

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Answers for you Stavvrrooss:

1. In Belarus knowledge of foreign languages is definittelly not widespread.
There are people who speak english with various levels of knowledge. From those very fluent to those you can barelly understand. In so many years I've been staying in Minsk I never meet anybody who can speak english good enough to keep normal conversation. Italian you can forgot about, I doubt you will meet anybody who speaks it. You can meet english speaking girls but it means you will be limited to them, like it or not. The best option is to speak russian which gives much better situation but since you don't speak it...

2. Anything fun to do in Minsk at night during the week days? Depending what you take under fun. In Minsk law is simple. Everything (bars, caffes, restaurants, most of the shops...) close at 10PM on workings days and 11PM on weekends. Most of people go out early like in 7PM and hit cheap places. When they close they kill some time in outside places like river banks and parks until midnight. That's when city transport close. After midnight Minsk is basically a dead place. Only cops are out he he. Then those few night clubs open. Most of them open 10PM-11PM but they start to fill only 2-3 hours later. And stay open until around 6 in the morning. Most of them are full on Friday and Saturday night and during week days most of them are just half full or empty. So you can party on a Wednesday night. You'll need to find the place where to do it. Usually around city center there are posters who advertise what's going on in which club on several days in the week. They are in russian of course but names of the clubs are in english so you'll have to figure it out.

3. Yes Right now Minsk is pretty empty. August is tradionally month when most of the people are on their holiday leave. But it doesn't mean everybody is gone. Most of student girls who are from other places are back home, but they are gone from Minsk since June mostly. Local Minsk girls are home (unless they are at holiday in Crimea) so in city with 1,8 million population some people stay home for sure. In Belarus university year starts at October 1st - for the students who enrolled this year and start their university. For others there's September exam period starting around mid September. Good option to go is mid October when in many clubs there are freshman student parties for students who started their university. Meaning lots of chick 19-20 years old. The only problem is to go there because in order to enter you must present your student index with photo. For foreigner over 50 it can be a problem for sure. Also at that time problem is weather in which is usually shitty. Winds, rain and cold then make Minsk a place where you don't want to be outside.

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Hello all,

Please, I request your advice.

I have been exchanging emails and photos with a nice Russian girl. We have agreed to meet for the first time on a trip to Turkey for a few days, and of course, she expects me to pay for everything.

I do not mind paying, but I do not want to be taken advantage of. For example if I pay everything for her, but then she refuses to have sex.

I have been thinking things such as sending her just a one way ticket, keeping her return ticket for myself, if she is not cooperative.

What do you recommend?

Thanks for your advice. Regards. B.B.

Try googling russian scammers and there are many websites that list known scammers. For example scammerlist.com

[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy]Hello all,

Please, I request your advice.

I have been exchanging emails and photos with a nice Russian girl. We have agreed to meet for the first time on a trip to Turkey for a few days, and of course, she expects me to pay for everything.

I do not mind paying, but I do not want to be taken advantage of. For example if I pay everything for her, but then she refuses to have sex.

I have been thinking things such as sending her just a one way ticket, keeping her return ticket for myself, if she is not cooperative.

What do you recommend?

Thanks for your advice. Regards. B.B.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thelmas Gone]Try googling russian scammers and there are many websites that list known scammers. For example scammerlist.com[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I will certainly check my girl.
Regards.
BB

Kurenda,

Thank you so much for your nicely detailed answer!

Dear All,

I am planning a trip to Minsk next week, and I did all the readings I can, but things seems to be dry here, and all this talk about undercover police scared the hell out of me.

I found some escort ladies on the net, but they seem to be pricy.

Any advice you may have, contacts that I can use?

I am also interested in an erotic massage, do you know where can I get one of these?

Yes Minsk is definitely dry here. Compare Minsk thread with other FSU capitals threads like Moscow and Kiev. In Minsk there are 120 post compared to thousands in Moscow and Kiev. Why? Hard to get a visa, strict political situation and absence of things connected with prostitution, pornography, etc.
Belarus has strict laws about this (everything is forbidden).
So for fun in Minsk what can you do? Freebies are good option if you speak russian or you invest lots of internet work prior to your arrival. Since you go next week no time for that. You can try your luck in some night club but don't expect too much. The best option is p4p, well what you can get from that. Check hotels "Evropa" and "Viktoria". In "Evropa" on Friday and Saturday you can find some girls arriving from Ukraine, Moldova and Moscow rejects. Don't expect good choice and good quality. In "Viktoria" on weekend you can find girls from Poland (from town Bialystok). They have the two year visas from old Belarus-Poland visa agreement when it was possible for citizens of both countries to get those visas. When Poland joined Schengen in December 2007 last visas to polish citizens were issued then including those girls from Bialystok. In December this year it is bye bye for them.
Erotic massage in Minsk? To be honest you got me there. I can't say I know such a place in Minsk at least not one you can find openly. Will require lots of digging. There's a rumor about "massage" salon in hotel "Agat" in Minsk located in woods near National library. But I find it hard to believe that. "Agat" hotel is state owned specifically by Ministry of defense. You can get room there but only on weekend which is strange.
All in all Minsk is not a great mongering destination so don't have high hopes.

I guess you guys are right about calling Minsk dry in terms of organised fun. But the reason I've returned there five times this year are the girlfriends and prospective girlfriends I keep seeing there. I'm not into stunners, much more into regular, cute girls - young students or high-school girls. Nowadays, I can tell pretty quickly if they're interested or just wasting my time. And I choose the Internet approach because it's an easy numbers' game, and then just follow my instincts. Since I have two girlfriends, a few dates, and a sponsored girl there, I'm pretty relaxed about making new contacts - speaking Russian helps a lot. If it weren't for my girls, I'd hesitate to go back soon, because the presence of our Arabian friends has become quite visible, and the girls have become more timid than before. I never post pics of girlfriends, but I'll add one of my sponsored girl, Karolina, who I usually see every morning when I'm there. She's on a course for computer programmer and a hundered meter sprinter. Here, she's coming back from the shower after a one hour full program.

White Noise, I got exactly the same picture of Minsk when I was there. Many regular girls that are open to relationships in some form.

I would go so far as to say it was almost as easy as picking up girls in Philippines.
A lot of eye contacts and similar in parks, restaurants, club, etc.

Maybe I was just lucky or it was my effort to dress and look well that paid off, but I did not find it hard to meet females in Minsk. Neither was it hard to find p4p in the clubs I visited. Just ask for "the hottest club right now" (check my last post here) and you will face an abundance of pretty females. Many look like they are ready to rip your head of but that seems to be the default look for this country. Seems like there is some idea never to smile in public, just like for example Riga or Tehran. But start to talk to them and they are very friendly. I changed number and email in a few minutes with stunners that would not bother to spit in my face in my home country.

Barba

White Noise, what is the cost for the sponsorship?

Feel free to PM me if you do not wish to share it here.

B

[QUOTE=White Noise] I never post pics of girlfriends, but I'll add one of my sponsored girl, Karolina, who I usually see every morning when I'm there. She's on a course for computer programmer and a hundered meter sprinter. Here, she's coming back from the shower after a one hour full program.[/QUOTE]
100% cute - what a choice -what a lucky man.....

I hear from various (probably totally unreliable) sources that if you're from the UK, US etc. you can turn up in Minsk and they will give you a visa at the airport when you arrive.

How true is this?

Not true.
MFA of Belarus did not presented full information. It should say "Belarusian visas at the Minsk International Airport (MSQ) are issued to the nationals of the countries with no consular offices of Belarus if there is government agreement with that country".
Since there is belarus embassy in their countries, citizens of UK and USA must have visa in advance, the only exception can be those who work for government of their country and have some urgent things in Belarus. I met a USA guy in Minsk working for congress who got his visa at the airport after waiting for 11 hours there. And got only 72 hours stay.
If you get a visa at the airport you will receive a sticker so no problem at the exit.
After all according to russian law you can also get russian visa at the airport but do you know anyone get their visa that way?
Lukasek probably you never been to Belarus so if you have visa problem there at 99% of times you'll end up in jail. Trying to give bribe will make problems even bigger (it's not like in Russia or Ukraine). USA lawyer Emanuel Selzner was sentenced last year to 5 years in prison because he had forged visa got caught at the airport, offered 50$ to custom official to let him go but was filmed on security camera. He was sentenced because of doucument forgering, offering a bribe to official person and insulting the president because he was cursing president Lukasenko while being arrested he he.

[QUOTE=Kurenda]Not true.
...
Lukasek probably you never been to Belarus so if you have visa problem there at 99% of times you'll end up in jail. Trying to give bribe will make problems even bigger (it's not like in Russia or Ukraine).[/QUOTE]
Fully agree with Kurenda. I'm going to Belarus at least twice a year since 2003-2004, wrote some detailed reports initially but no longer reporting here in the last few years since I now have a girl there and is no longer mongering. Bribe is just not an option in Belarus and will just make matters worse. Ending up in jail is not an exageration and you have regularly examples in the news about this. When reading recommendations from somebody, a good thing to do is to check his previous reports to see if he has actually been in the country and done that, or if it's just (dangerous) wishful thinking.

Concerning visa at the airport, what Kurenda says is also correct, although there are special cases. I've met with SourHoney (another member of this forum) a few times in Minsk and he managed once to get his visa at the airport because it was an emergency and he flew with Belavia (national airlines of Belarus), so they were helping for him at the airport for this (they promised this when he bought the ticket). It did work. However, he will never repeat the experience. He was worried during the whole flight and had to wait at the airport. Just not worth the hassle. With a "search", you may find his report in this forum (or maybe on WSG, I don't remember).

Jim

[QUOTE=Ash1001]I hear from various (probably totally unreliable) sources that if you're from the UK, US etc. you can turn up in Minsk and they will give you a visa at the airport when you arrive.

How true is this?[/QUOTE]Not true at all.

Being a uk citizen I had to prebook my accommodation at hotel planenta minsk, and present my visa application with passport here in london to the belarus embassy and wait few days.

NO extension of the visa is possible once you get to minsk.

IF visa was issued at the airport, I would have gone there to visit other parts of belarus.

I've never seen the airlines NOT check to make sure you have a visa, before they even let you board their flight. They know whose country's passports require a visa for entrance.

Lufthansa checks your visa first, in the USA, before you board even to Frankfurt, if your final destination is Russia or Belarus. They check again in Frankfurt before they give you a boarding pass on your Russian or Minsk flight.

What's the point of bringing you to a country they know you won't be permitted entrance, when they know they're just gonna have to haul you back out. Rather than taking you to jail, the Immigration authorities hold you in the airport and force the airline that brought you there, to put you on their next flight back at the airline's expense.

The airline pays the price for being stupid enough not to check your documents in the first place. That's why they check first. Maybe its different if you have a diplomatic passport, but if its simply a personal passport, they don't have to let you board without required visa, and they shouldn't anyway.

Sorry, I immediately deleted my message, as it was not my intention to write something wrong.

Thanks for the correction.

Just checked with people I know at belarus MFA about visa at the airport.
It's possible but not not worth the hassle.
1. You must book a return flight with Belavia (national airlines of Belarus) only and they are very expensive. They will let you to board the flight but again it can be a problem to explain why you don't have a visa.
2. You will have to pay for the visa after arriving and the cost is 60% more on the price of the visa you pay at the embassy. Paying is in cash only.
3. There's no guarantee you will receive the full term visa (like 30 day) this is left at the discretion of official person issuing a visa. In practice it means you can get 30 day visa but also much shorter like 1-2 weeks usually.
4. You'll have to wait at the airport (usually for a long period) until everything is checked, mostly the reason of your visit - of this reason will depend the length of the stay.
5. The visa sticker has a different look than normal visa so it's easy to recognize. With airport visa you must exit the country via airplane. If you try to exit through land border this is a problem. Also it seems with this airport visa you can stay in Minsk only and visiting other city is a problem.

If you came from country with belarus embassy you can get visa at the airport only for urgent reasons. This reason must be something reasonable like sickness or death of your relative in Belarus. In most cases it is issued for "political" reasons and such. For example EU people wanted to monitor elections at Belarus but were refused. At last minute they were allowed and all of them were issued visas at the airport and their visas were for 72 hours with all of them leaving the country right after elections.
If the visa at the airport was a normal thing there would be more foreigners in Belarus (not just for mongering reasons). They have strict rules and they will not change. As I was told airport visa is mostly used by formed belarus citizens who took citizenship of some other contry . If any foreigner find it hard to get belarus visa it's even harder for former citizens of Belarus. Many of those people told me they have problems getting their visas at the embassies so they get their visas at the airport even this is more costly.

Thanks Kurenda for checking and confirming what SourHoney told me. This is what we should all do! In summary, it's possible with Belavia in special cases, but just not worth the hassle.

I just want to add something concerning exiting Belarus through land border, especially if you have a short-term visa of only a few days: If you exit by taking the train to Russia, there is no passport control on the train, therefore no evidence of the day you left Belarus.

If you then stay in Russia for a period exceeding the allowed stay in Belarus (because you have a Russian visa for a longer stay), and come back to Belarus on another trip months or years later with a valid visa, you can still be in trouble. The Belarus authorities will suspect that you stayed in Belarus for a period longer than allowed on your previous visit and then exited through Russia.

Visa issue is not a joke in Belarus. One last thing: Once in Belarus, you must register your visa. No problem if you stay in a hotel but, if you rent an apartment and forget about this formality, you can be in deep shit.

Jim

Thanks guys. These belorusskis sure ain't messing around :)

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If you exit by taking the train to Russia, there is no passport control on the train, therefore no evidence of the day you left Belarus.
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That is only partly correct.

In the direct train minsk moscow is normaly no passportcontrol.! But there are trains which come from berlin/warsaw which are stoping in minsk and also going to Moscow. In that trains there is a regular passportcontrol.

Be carefull guys!

It was actually quite convenient to obtain visa directly at the airport when arriving in Minsk.

You will need to have valid passport, one passport size photo, cash to pay for visa fee (140$) and an invitation letter from a company. In addition you need an application form that you can fill in at the airport.

The invitation letter must be an original and the simplest way is to have the inviting company to send the letter directly to the Consular office at the Minsk International Airport, and send you a scanned copy that you print.

You will also need to obtain a 2 euro health insurance that are sold by the pretty girls right where you arrive at the airport.

Took all in all about 30-40 minutes before i was through. Everyone where very friendly, and the female guards smiled and giggled a lot when I flirted with them.

Barba

Barba you confused two things here.
At the airport it's easy to get business visa especially when there's interest for belarusian side. Even doesn't matter which airline you take.
Gettings tourist visa at the airport is much harder - I wrote about it down.
If you take the train from Berlin or Warsaw passport control will be in Brest. There they will for sure take notice if you'll get out in Minsk or go to Moscow.
If you go to Moscow you will need transit visa for Belarus. In Moscow it's the same. They will take notice where are you going and act accordingly.

Yes in the train from Berlin to Moscow there is a passport control in brest of cause. But that is not the question here. I think its clear in my posting that I am writing about people who enter such a train in minsk and want to go to moscow. Because in this trains there also will be a passport conrol at the border between belarus and russia.

Also Barba is right. Its possible to get a visa at the airport. I am often in minsk and always doing it in that way. I arrived there with several different airlines and I am there as a tourist.

How to do its described here:

[url]http://www.allbelarus.com/visas/[/url]

Strange but somewhat relevant discussion going on here. As a frequent mongerer in Belarus I go about 4 times every year as tourist. I do the airport tourist visa all the time without problems.

Last time was on 7 of August when I obtained a tourist VISA with fast service at the airport. No problems, just a calm statement from the embassy clerk that next time I should try to get the visa in my own country. I excused and said I travel much and I came directly from Moscow. He said it was ok.

Prior to getting my airport VISA (had contact in late July) I was actually informed by my old connection (tourist agency) that they no longer could issue the usual tourist voucher for me. The rules were changed. Well, with the girl-net-work and prospects I got in Belarus I kind o felt I had to go to Minsk any way. I was coming from Moscow and Russia. So I contacted another agency and they checked it all up and told me it was no problems. They even double checked (called embassy department) for me because I was a bit worried. I dont really fancy to be stranded at Minsk airport. Their cost was slightly higher, being USD 50 instead of USD 30 (old connection).

As a side note I took the night train out of Minsk to Warsaw where I had a connecting flight. No problems at the border at all.

So far so good last time...

I actuallt go to Minsk on Saturday and then it all will come forward how the new situation is. I am going to apply for tourist visa again at the airport. I got the papers needed, but with more detailed instructions from agent and to specify an inviting organisation. I have never done that before.

Let us see how it goes...

Will report as soon as I know.

//Felix

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic]
As a side note I took the night train out of Minsk to Warsaw where I had a connecting flight. No problems at the border at all.

So far so good last time...
[/QUOTE]

FN, when you say you had no problems at the border do you mean your visa wasn't checked on exit there?

If that is the case then perhaps you may have difficulties as no evidence of exactly when you last left Belarus?

VG.

[QUOTE=Gergiev]FN, when you say you had no problems at the border do you mean your visa wasn't checked on exit there?

If that is the case then perhaps you may have difficulties as no evidence of exactly when you last left Belarus?

VG.[/QUOTE]

Naturally the Visa was checked and stamped at the Belarus side of the border. Could you even imagine a Belarus border without a thorough passport and Visa check and collection of the declaratsia?
These guys are masters of control!

Tomorrow evening, around 23 local time I will see how it works to get another tourist VISA. Thumbs crossed. I do believe some of the information posted below not to be correct.

//Felix

P.s. I hope it will be no problems since I have a meeting with a girl at around midnight in my apartment.

[url]http://www.gotorussia.net/visa/belarus_visa.htm[/url]

I used them for getting visa for Russia, they deliver.

You have prices and timelines for Belarus.

I was in Minsk last week, stayed in Hotel Victoria. Hotel was great, totally GF. There was also a strip-club at the hotel. Just a few old WG's at the lobby. Only way to find a companion is to tip the taxi drivers outside the hotel. They even bring 2-3 girls to choose from.

Visited Next club, good atmosphere but hard to get a girl out. Been to Dankoff strip-club. Really great dancers. You may even spend an hour in Jacuzzi for 100$ or a special dance for 40$. I liked the place.

Minsk was so cold, snowing all the time and was the worst place to monger that I have been in FSU.

[QUOTE=Hakan Demir]I was in Minsk last week, stayed in Hotel Victoria. Hotel was great, totally GF. There was also a strip-club at the hotel. Just a few old WG's at the lobby. Only way to find a companion is to tip the taxi drivers outside the hotel. They even bring 2-3 girls to choose from.

Visited Next club, good atmosphere but hard to get a girl out. Been to Dankoff strip-club. Really great dancers. You may even spend an hour in Jacuzzi for 100$ or a special dance for 40$. I liked the place.

Minsk was so cold, snowing all the time and was the worst place to monger that I have been in FSU.[/QUOTE]Spending an hour in the jacuzzi, includes full sex?

What I got was a hand job, but I think it depends on your negotiation skills.

[QUOTE=Jojosun]Spending an hour in the jacuzzi, includes full sex?[/QUOTE]

I will be there on april 5-10 I need advice for good quality escort girls or disco place that I can find girls who can speak english ofcourse any information mates?

Cemali,

It is really hard to find escort girls in Minsk. Just check my last report about Minsk. Before I got there I contacted an agency, got a few emails back but when I got there no one replied. I think it was spam. Just try your chance.

[url]http://www.minskangels.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Cemali]I will be there on april 5-10 I need advice for good quality escort girls or disco place that I can find girls who can speak english ofcourse any information mates?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hakan Demir]Cemali,

It is really hard to find escort girls in Minsk. Just check my last report about Minsk. Before I got there I contacted an agency, got a few emails back but when I got there no one replied. I think it was spam. Just try your chance.

[url]http://www.minskangels.com/[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks mate.

[QUOTE=Cemali]I will be there on april 5-10 I need advice for good quality escort girls or disco place that I can find girls who can speak english ofcourse any information mates?[/QUOTE]The best place for picking up the above, is West World Club.

[QUOTE=Jojosun]The best place for picking up the above, is West World Club.[/QUOTE]Next is a good place to pick up escorts as well, it's just that they charge without shame. One asked me for 500, I smiled and asked if she meant roubles, she them immediately went down to 300. I asked for how many hours, but she was vague about it, she initial said "several" and when i asked for more concretes, she said 2 hours. She was attractive, late 20s, definitely good for a lay.

Jojosun, regarding West World Club, is that a club where most girls are escorts, or a club where it's just more likely to find them? Do you recommend it at weekends or also during the week?

[QUOTE=Stavvrrooss]Next is a good place to pick up escorts as well, it's just that they charge without shame. One asked me for 500, I smiled and asked if she meant roubles, she them immediately went down to 300. I asked for how many hours, but she was vague about it, she initial said "several" and when i asked for more concretes, she said 2 hours. She was attractive, late 20s, definitely good for a lay.

Jojosun, regarding West World Club, is that a club where most girls are escorts, or a club where it's just more likely to find them? Do you recommend it at weekends or also during the week?[/QUOTE]

NEXT is a Turkish managed upper scale night club for both business men and sex tourists. It is of course frequented by normal girls and boys too, but the above mentioned clientele stick out and seems VERY plentyfull. I have only been in NEXT once, and I wont go there again.

Ok, I am not after hookers and these kind of middle east male places in general.
I go for freebes that are so much more rewarding and fun, but thats a personal choice! ;)
I have a wide net of girls that I have contact with. I takes a few years to build it up but it really pays off now :)

West world club has almost no hookers, allthough there is a strip club on the first floor. I have not been inside that strip club.
West world is a place for normal student boys and girls and rather young ones... one of the better pick up places for normal Belarus girls. I have never done a first night pull from any club or bar in belarus, but I have met a few girls in West world that have spread the legs for me on the second, third or fourth date. I have also had a few dance away the night fun, tongue kissing meetings with girls I found there...

You can also find hookers at Max Show.

//Felix

[QUOTE=Stavvrrooss]Jojosun, regarding West World Club, is that a club where most girls are escorts, or a club where it's just more likely to find them? Do you recommend it at weekends or also during the week?[/QUOTE]My apologies for the late reply.

I have been to west World Club, few times during the week and at weekends,

There were definetely a lot of girls who like to spend the night or the following nights with you on a P4P basis.

The asking price was the magic figure of $100.

I hooked up with 2 stunning students who were out to have fun, but iwish I had gone for the escorts.

I havn't got the time to wine and dine freebies, and besides it does cost more at the end.

One of the advantages of this club, is it is a huge place with plenty of choice, centrally located, and I found many girls there who spoke good english.

The strip club in the same building is not to be missed. A lot of touching is allowed, and some of the girls would be available on negotiation, for take out later.

West World Club is not to be missed on your visit.

[QUOTE=Jojosun]My apologies for the late reply.

I have been to west World Club, few times during the week and at weekends,

There were definetely a lot of girls who like to spend the night or the following nights with you on a P4P basis.

The asking price was the magic figure of $100.

I hooked up with 2 stunning students who were out to have fun, but iwish I had gone for the escorts.

I havn't got the time to wine and dine freebies, and besides it does cost more at the end.

One of the advantages of this club, is it is a huge place with plenty of choice, centrally located, and I found many girls there who spoke good english.

The strip club in the same building is not to be missed. A lot of touching is allowed, and some of the girls would be available on negotiation, for take out later.

West World Club is not to be missed on your visit.[/QUOTE]There was another place more upmarket . From memory it was called Maddisons.

Worth checking out.

A lot of WGS in the bar of Planeta hotel . It does have a good strip club as well.

I will be in Minsk this weekend. Anybody who is interested in being a wingman and do club hopping together please let me know.

Cheers,
-Hedo

He guys,

Coming week I will be in Minsk. Like to hear some pointers of the guys who are in Minsk at the moment. For all others, I will post my experiences after my travels.

Cheers from Riga,

WB

went with my friends:

wot i first want to highlight is that i was in a group of friends (of all normal non-mongering culturally interested people) including some local people so my trip wasn't all about mongering.

about belarus:

belarus is a very difficult country to get into and has a lot of annoying bureaucracy and rules. okay got my visa in my own country and is kinda annoying as you don't need visa for ukraine or moldova. registration office: such a stupid thing! i spend half a day there (even though i had help from a local friend) as there were some stuff wrong with my visa which i didn't understand though i got my visa without hassle back home. secondly you need to have a travel insurance of a belorussian insurance company, because other insurances aren't legal even though my insurance says it does cover belarus.

strong legal enforcement:

there is police and soldiers everywhere, cameras are hanging everywhere and people tend to report other people to the police if they 'commit a crime'. throwing garbage on the ground can result in a fine of 300 euros, which is as much as a monthly salary of a university graduate. so that's also why its so clean in the country. insulting the government can result in 3 years of jailtime. people of ngos have also been thrown into belorussian jail for several years for 'insulting the government'. so keep your mouth shut! there are a lot of girls when they see a foreigner like to talk negative about their country, as it gives them the opportunity to express their negative feelings about their country. in these situations i tend to tell the truth and highlight my opinion about the positive things in belarus.

my expectations before going to belarus:

i expected to really go back to the old soviet union, a country even worse than moldova. how it really was? it is an extremely clean and friendly country! even though the west pictures belarus like a communist shithole, it really is the total opposite! people are belorussian and not russian, as most people like to highlight. this means being tolerant and open to other people and not being short minded and sometimes racist against other like some russians are. belorussians are friendly to all people, as lukashenko likes to highlight in his speeches to be friendly to allied countries that support belarus (mostly russia and other communist countries like china, venezuela and cuba). racism in belarus is almost non-existent. but i do know that most girls find african people scary and dirty (as they don't know much about them and they are black), but they are not being maltreated, its just that they don't trust black people that much.

mongering in belarus:

is belarus a hidden gem? no, i don't think so though most people in belarus don't look at you as sextourist unless you are an arab. i think for arabs it's a hidden gem. the only mongers i see in belarus are men from turkey, saudi arabia, iran and many other arab/ emirates countries. why? there are a few turkish companies that are present in belarus and the owner of crowne plaza hotel (and club next) is turkish.

club next and crowne plaza hotel:

this is a special one! the lobby of the hotel is filled with loads of girls who just sit there and wait to get offered a free drink by a rich old arab geezer, which happens a lot. crowne plaza hotel is really like a homebase for the mongers in club next. sometimes you see a monger walk away for 1-2 hours away with a certain girl and afterwards they come back and split their ways. this gives me a feeling that they just went to his hotelroom for some quick action and transaction closed! and this happens a lot during nights in next. the men are mostly old rich arab businessmen and the girls are mostly young beautiful belorussian girls dressed up really fancy. i have been approached a lot by these girls but i don't like p4p as i always have gone for freebies as i am still in my mid/end 20s and look good. the prices differed between looks. some for belarus standards uggs asked me 2 girls for 200 euros for the whole night and some others asked me that amount for an hour of action, but must say those were model-quality girls.

as i made friends with a few clubgirls during shopping and had a nice chat with them, they told me something i have to share with you guys. the owner of next organizes sextrips for rich arab men from time to time (as several different girls, both partygirls and normal girls, have told me & as some different girls told me about it i guess it has a strong chance its true). and these are special parties where you need to spend some money on as it is mostly frequented by extremely wealthy arab businessmen. these are trips for around 50 arab businessmen and around 100 hot girls who aren't prostitutes but mostly students that like to go to exclusive parties and like to make friends with rich old men for the obvious reasons. they let the girls register with their passports for safety reasons for the men. the men have a blast of a time but they do pay for it. some girls were telling me this in extreme details though saying they didn't participate in it and heard it from their girlfriends who did participate, i personally think they were lying.come on.

btw, i have never been to these parties but i have a feeling that they are awesome. and i let some of these girls add me on facebook and of partygirls, most of their friends-list consist of rich old arab geezers.

my action in belarus:

clubaction, even though not my preference, i have visited a few clubs. i have not pulled from a clubnight in belarus, because i was staying at a friends place. maybe if you want to pull, get your own place. secondly i prefer getting girls from street action.

-ufo: club mostly frequented with young local people and almost no foreigners. easiest place to escalate with girls as girls are quite open to dance dirty with you and kiss you. make-out with a few girls but it annoyed me most girls don't speak a word of english. this was the most fun place to go out to.

- next: even with the loads of golddiggers and semi-prostitutes i did like club next. why? nice supermodel-looking girls walking around. the #1 most asked question was: "are you rich? " i got asked by girls. prices were really the highest in next as the cheapest beer was 20000byr = 5, 41 euros. most girls speak okay english.

- tiitan: rich locals and foreign students (mostly arab students from mslu) frequent this place. it was okay, but not great. i didn't get much result here as the only girls who talked to me wanted a free drink which i wasn't willing to give her, unless she did something for me. my standard response was: "depends how good of a kisser you are. " did kiss (make-outs) 2 girls with this approach, but only bought them a red bull for them (as i was also drinking that) which was 9000byr which is a bit more than 2 euros. but the funniest thing i did was dancing dirty with a girl that constantly got free drinks from some stupid mongers who really screw up that night i was in titan; they kept buying girls cocktails and those girls kept flirting and making out with other guys. i kissed her, looked them (the mongers) straight in their eyes and pushed her back in their direction and went back to my own group of friends. it was so fun looking in their helpless faces.

btw, most young people in belarus don't go to clubs as it is for them extremely expensive, at least the big clubs frequented by tourists where there is this ridiculously high entrance fee for men. there you will find only partygirls, golddiggers and prostitutes.

street action: my absolute favorite way of meeting girls!

why? i am in my mid/end 20s, look good, am quite fashionable and have a lot experience meeting girls during daytime (as it is still my #1 hobby). my goal was to have anal sex with a girl/freebie i met in the street without any lying and just being myself. unfortunately i wasn't able to achieve this goal but have kissed many girls, fingered some girls in the parks and have been kicked out of a mcdonalds for trying to fuck a girl in the mcdonalds toilet. just like a few minutes of my cock in her mouth and mcdonalds staff were banging against the toilet door that i should leave the toilet. it was fun!

how to approach girls? after some trial and error i got the hang out of it.

1. priviet!

2. hey, quick question do you speak english? (with a facial expression that your lost)

3. ask something (really doesn't matter what)

4. talk, sit somewhere down and escalate your conversation and escalate more physical.

5. have fun!

girls in belarus:

mentality in girls is totally different from the ones in most of eastern europe, at least a bit different. most girls in ukraine and moldova are more used to mongers and foreigners where belarus is quite a closed country where not a lot of foreigners go to.

partygirls (that frequent clubs):

girls who like to enjoy luxury and want to meet rich men who can lavish them with a luxurious lifestyle they can't afford on their own and they are willing to have sex with these older rich men. some of them are want to marry a rich old man but most of them want to have fun with a rich old man without having any plan of ever marrying a old geezer.

most girls in belarus:

they want to find a man who can give them financial security and preferably also status and money. i do think they actually fall in love with those men as their psychology is different, its like in the old caveman ages where a woman had to find a man who was able to protect them and their offspring. yes, a lot of older ugly not so rich men have a young and beautiful wife in belarus for the simple reason of financial security. and the possibilities are great when you frequent the country a lot. even though partygirls like hanging around with rich arabs, most girls look down on them for hanging out with the rich old arabs for their money, those girls are seen as sluts by most of society. i seriously have absolutely nothing against arabs but you see them really a lot in minsk!

if you want to have success with a lot of freebies on a consistent basis in belarus, i think you should have a business going on in belarus because they prefer, even if you are a foreigner, to give themselves who lives there or at least comes there quite often.

belarus versus other eastern european countries:

if you come there only, let's say, once a year i would recommend to go for p4p or go to another country as ukraine or moldova as those countries are a lot easier to get freebies. and even latvia, which is imo extremely overrated is even a lot easier to get freebies (if you are like me still young, intelligent, good-looking and are well-dressed). if you are older, i wouldn't recommend the new eu countries as latvia but more eu-wannabe-countries (moldova and ukraine) as you don't need to get a stupid visa and waste half a day at the migration office to register yourself as a tourist as you have to do in belarus. if you have some nice business going on in belarus, you are absolutely in heaven!

i hope you guys have learned from my experiences in belarus as i tried to give you guys a good view on belarus from my perspective instead of this just being your standard report.

love and carnage,

worldbank.

[QUOTE=Worldbank]Belarus is a very difficult country to get into and has a lot of annoying bureaucracy and rules. Okay got my visa in my own country and is kinda annoying as you don't need visa for Ukraine or Moldova. Registration office: such a stupid thing! I spend half a day there (even though I had help from a local friend) as there were some stuff wrong with my visa which I didn't understand though I got my visa without hassle back home. Secondly you NEED to have a travel insurance of a Belorussian insurance company, because other insurances aren't legal even though my insurance says it does cover Belarus.[/QUOTE]Does day of the week / weekend matter for Minsk nightlife? Scheduled to be there next week and trying to plan. Did the visa for extra days just in case.

For visa getting in, home country actually best -- if you have the time.
Last year in Kiev, I was thwarted by the red tape and time constraints. In Warsaw last week at B'rus Consulate no lines but invitation letter needed for USA passport. At B'rus Consulate Vilnius a queue of hundreds, but across street a visa expeditor can handle all with quick turnaround for not unreasonable fee.

Worldbank,

thanks so much for your detailed report man !

[QUOTE=Zingadoon]Does day of the week / weekend matter for Minsk nightlife? Scheduled to be there next week and trying to plan. Did the visa for extra days just in case.[/QUOTE]I and West World club and other disco clubs with freebies, pros and semi pros, Thursday to Saturday.

Strip clubs it doesn't matter. You can touch the girls.

If you stay in a hotel In Belarus, then there is no need to register your stay with the Police.

The Hotel does this for you.

Nightlife:

As I experienced from almost 2 weeks in Belarus is that Monday is crap, like mostly mongers and a few girls dancing that are probably on the paycheck of the club. The other days were actually good.

Prices in Belarus:

Belarus is not cheap. Most stuff is like +50% to +200% of EU prices for imported stuff like Red Bull. I saw in a supermarket that buying 1 Liter of the cheapest Vodka is cheaper than an ordinary can of Red Bull, which is kinda strange.

Lukashenko’s economic policy is really strange, actually like retarded strange. Why? The Belarus government believes it can stimulate the economy and stimulate growth by having artificially high prices (= high taxes on products). In combination with the low wages I can see some understanding why some girls like to ‘befriend’ with rich old Arab geezers.

JoJo you're right but if you stay in another place like at friends apartment then then you have to registered by yourself at OVIR.
Worldbank you should read thread more carefully.
In Belarus it's simple. Everything imported is very costly, everything domestic is cheap. If you want western standard you have to pay for it.
Pay attention that girls talking negative about the country are usually workers of KDS.
It seems that you Worldbank was mostly going up and down Independence street. Among locals it's known as "sheep sheering lane" since everythnig there is dedicated to take money from (few) foreign visitors.
Night clubs in Minsk during weekends are full of team B from Moscow, trains full of pros from Moscow arrive in Minsk on Friday afternoon. They are lead by mamashkas who made their carreers as p4p in UAE mostly and are fluent in arabic. During weekend lots of girls from Moldova and Ukraine are coming to Minsk for p4p and fill the hotel lobbies. High priced mostly in Crown Plaza, lower priced in Europa and Viktoria hotels. The easy way to recognize those "imports" are their speaking since local have different accents. One time I asked such girl in Crown Plaza "are you from Minsk". She said "yes of course". When I asked "in which part of city you live" her answer was "Fili". Well this is not part of Minsk but of Moscow. I asked her to show me her passport and if she has belarus passport I will give her 50 Euro. She didn't get the money since her passport was russian he he.
Anyway if you're in Minsk no need to go to clubs. In nice weather just stroll around the parks and river banks. Plenty of girls are there sitting, talking and mostly drinking. Easy to strike conversation and this girls are more "normal" than club ones. Also ride in the city transport pleanty of chances there also.
Of course this will require solid knowledge of russian language. If you don't have it then hop the clubs but it will cost you.
The best thing is to avoid Minsk and go to provinces instead much more rewarding. But it's not for everybody since not so many people come to Minsk yet alone belarus provinces.
Many times on this thread was repeated that Belarus is hard for mongering. When I make the comparation 6-7 years ago it was much easier. Today it's hard unless you have plenty of money and willing to throw it around on everything.
Speaking about East Europe the hardest destinations for mongering in my opinion are Serbia in first place then Belarus second.
So for you who still think Belarus is hidden gem for mongering better go to Kiev which is much better and rewarding destination. Problems in Belarus is strick regimee which can throw your ass in jail just for wrong word, getting visa, people which are mostly to close and shy.
There's a reason why Belarus thread has 584 posts and Ukraine thread has 13384 posts at the moment I write this.

[QUOTE=Worldbank]Secondly you NEED to have a travel insurance of a Belorussian insurance company, because other insurances aren't legal even though my insurance says it does cover Belarus.[/QUOTE]
For those of you who are presently preparing a trip to Minsk and wonder where in hell you can obtain a travel insurance from a Belarus insurance co before you leave, you don't have to. You can get it at Minsk airport when you get out of the plane, before you go through passport control. There are a couple of booths and it's dirt cheap. I usually stay 3-4 weeks on each visit (for business) and it costs about 10-15 USD each time.

Jim

[QUOTE=Kurenda]...Problems in Belarus is strick regimee which can throw your ass in jail just for wrong word, getting visa, people which are mostly to close and shy...[/QUOTE]

Great infos as always from Kurenda and especially the message I quoted above here, it is not to be undervalued....

[QUOTE=GandJim]For those of you who are presently preparing a trip to Minsk and wonder where in hell you can obtain a travel insurance from a Belarus insurance co before you leave, you don't have to. You can get it at Minsk airport when you get out of the plane, before you go through passport control. There are a couple of booths and it's dirt cheap. I usually stay 3-4 weeks on each visit (for business) and it costs about 10-15 USD each time.

Jim[/QUOTE]I went to Minsk by Bus from Vil enus, Lithuania, and I don't recall paying for Travel Insurance on the border.

This was nearly 2or 3 yrs ago.

[QUOTE=Jojosun]I went to Minsk by Bus from Vil enus, Lithuania, and I don't recall paying for Travel Insurance on the border.

This was nearly 2or 3 yrs ago.[/QUOTE]
My post was addressed to members arriving by plane, not by bus.

Also, paying for insurance at the airport is a possibilty, not an obligation. Lots of people just pass by without stopping if they think they have a valid insurance.

If you stay in a private apartment instead of a hotel, you need to carry out the visa registration yourself and, in the area where I stay, they request this insurance certificate. Even if I have much better insurance coverage from my own policy, I just buy this one upon arrival to avoid any hassle. As I said, it's dirt cheap and I just don't wanna have to argue with the registration bureaucracy people with my broken Russian.

Jim

Hi,

I made the train Vilnius - Minsk in June. On the way back I took the bus, it is much than the train. At the border to Belarus, they checked my passport, my visa and I had to fill out the registration page. I was staying in an apartment. Since it was impossible to make a medical insurance in Sweden, I was told by the Belarus embassy in Stockholm, that it could be done at the border. It could not. My visa was marked with a cyrillic "C", "strachnoy?" Russian for insurance and told to make it at Minsk train station. The office at the train station was closed when I arrived at 1840, so I took a taxi to an insurance company and bought an medical insurance for one week, 5-6 € I do not remember, the taxi driver wanted 30 € for a 5 minute drive!!!!

When I returned, the border officers did not look at my insurance!

Minsk is a difficult place to monger, after 2 days I left it and went to Vilnius, not much mongering there either, but a nice and relaxing holiday for some days. It is difficult to be a normal tourist in Minsk.

[QUOTE=Worldbank]Nightlife[/QUOTE]As you've been both to Kish and Minsk, how would you rate nightlife in one place compared to the other?[/quote]Also, apart from the clubs you reported about (thanks for it BTW), have you found in Minsk good DJ bars like Nostalgi or Deja Vu in Chisinau, that is drinking hole and upscale (with good atmosphere, danceable charts, good cocktails and drunk sluts) under one roof?

[QUOTE=Jojosun]I went to Minsk by Bus from Vil enus, Lithuania, and I don't recall paying for Travel Insurance on the border.

This was nearly 2or 3 yrs ago.[/QUOTE]I rode to Minsk on bus from Vilnius a couple days ago: they were selling insurance at the border. Had already got mine through agency that procured visa -- located across the street from B'rusian Consulate in Vilnius, a great service for 200 euros covered all.

I totally agree with Kurenda, somebody who always brings a lot of value to this forum!

I bought my travel insurance at the migration office in Minsk, where they said my own insurance wasnt legal, for around 2 Euros.

Comparing Chisinau vs Minsk:
In Chisinau like 50% of girls speak decent enough English where in Minsk it's just like 10-20%. So, with this ratio Moldova is better. But in Belarus most girls arent that cunning as they are in Moldova as they are less ruined by mongers, though you have a lot of Arabs frequenting Belarus.

Nightlife/ Restaurants:

In Minsk you get lower quality for a higher price. In Chisinau you have places where you can dine upscale and party at the same place...well in Minsk you have those places but knowing its prices I didnt even try. In the same building as Crowne Plaza hotel, you have as I remember 2 clubs of which Next is one of them and you also have a restaurant in it. But at most clubs during the afternoon you can dine at the clubs' own restaurant (but my friends told me its extremely expensive and mostly rich Arabs go there). So don't expect something as good price-quality-ratio as you are used in Moldova. With regard to other places what my friends have told me club Madison is the best (but it was closed for some reason when I was there).

With regard to the music: mostly western european trance and progressive in all clubs I have visited. I wouldnt say there are a lot of good DJ bars as you hear a lot of guys constantly playing the usual big DJ names records (Armin, Tiesto, Paul van Dyk, ATB, etc). During my 5 hour stay in club UFO I heard one song of Tiesto played many times. It was just sickening. I have a feeling that the DJ scene is not so very popular as in western europe.

Belarus is really expensive! Clubs in Moldova are a lot bigger, there are more of them and they are more beautiful and cheaper.

Even though Belarus is more expensive then Moldova, it is nice to have seen Belarus in your life while its still this strange country. Just for the sake of culture go and visit Belarus! (If you have some other 'cultural exchange' ideas, go to Ukraine or Moldova)

[QUOTE=Worldbank] Comparing Chisinau vs Minsk[/QUOTE]Do Belarus chicks like to have absolutely wild drunken parties as in Russia (or, to a lesser extent, as in Moldova) ?

[QUOTE=Prosal]Do Belarus chicks like to have absolutely wild drunken parties as in Russia (or, to a lesser extent, as in Moldova) ?[/QUOTE]No, not that I know of where you can find those. Since clubs are only made for partygirls who dont buy anything then cheap softdrinks and rich men who buy expensive drinks, most normal young people dont go to clubs (or have ever been there) but have private parties at their own places and get drunk at a friends place (as I have also done, as I have friends there).

The only place where I have heard about were the expensive arab sextours which the crown plaza hotel organizes for rich arabs is the only I have heard of from a few girls.

But since I was there in the summer period I cannot say something about what happens during the academic year (when people have classes). Probably there are these crazy parties but I have a feeling that they are rather more private parties then public.

Maybe somebody else can add up to this question.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Do Belarus chicks like to have absolutely wild drunken parties as in Russia (or, to a lesser extent, as in Moldova)?[/QUOTE]YES of course they do. Only you have to know right people to take you there.

There are parties with 100-200 people (where like 60-70% are girls) but they don't happen in Minsk. Places are usually near the water or deep in the woods because police always try to stop them. Usually they happen at??, also on? Lake. This is all in Minsk oblast. But the best things happen during summer at? Lakes (near border with Lithuania) and especially? Lake at "border" with Russia. This is the best I was there many times, lots of people come including many from Russia just over the "border". The fun includes lots of drinking and naked swimming. Usually some ends up dead. Drinking lots of vodka and swimming after that don't go hand in hand. The best is when police came with dozen of trucks to arrest people and then everybody runs over the border into Russia where belarus police can't follow. Now if you all have ideas to visit this parties forget about it since it's deep in the provinces and you'll need skills to go there but before that you'll have to know right people to let you know where and when to go.

About this sex parties with rich Arabas it's basically local urban legend emerged this year. Before that urban legend was Russian oligarhs coming with empty passenger jet (Il-96 type) then boarding 200 girls from Minsk inside. The wild sex party goes on at 30 000 feet while plane goes Minsk-Moscow several times. Since the crisis lots of Russian olighars stopped investing in Belarus, before that airport Minsk-1 was full of Russian private jets.

There are some Arabs in Minsk but not that many. Some investments were made by Siria and Lybia. Lybia has one the largest embassy in Minsk, 4 stories building and like 50 black Mercedes cars parked in the yard. All Arabs seem to stay in hotel Minsk mainly. I enjoy looking while thgey seet at Lenin square and offer lots of money to the locals to go to near shop and buy them Vodka. By the evening plenty of them are laying around drunk, vomiting and local police just enjoy to fine them for like 300-500 Euro fopr being drunk in public he he. Most Arabs came to Minsk on business to buy tractors and agricultural machinery and equipment for oil drilling. We all know about Belarus tractors but there are also many other agricultural machinery produced in Belarus. Also some 5 factories produce equipment for oil drilling and Arabs buy plenty of it. Also Hugo Chavez. The interesting things is that all Arabs seems to be staying in Minks only and they never go to visit factories where this equipment is manufactured. I talked to the director of some factory located in smaller city and he told me lots of oil drilling equipment they produce is sold to UAE and he told me he sees his buyers only in government offices in Minsk and that Arabs are forbbiden to visit the factory.

Let's get things straight about p4p. Prostitution is criminal act in Belarus which brings sentence 3-5 years in prison. This year government closed several modelling agencies in Minsk and arrest owners under charge of organising prostitution and trafficking. Belarus is definitelly not a place for p4p, compared to Minsk Kiev is a heaven.

Comparing Chisinau vs Minsk. I can't say much since I have never been to Chisinau. But when I talk to people in Minks who have been to Chisianu they all agree Chisianu has much better and cheaper night life. In Minsk most places close at 10PM on work days and 11PM. Only open places are those few expencive night clubs.

In Minsk everything imported and "western" is expnecive because of the high taxes. Everything local is much cheaper. But most foreigners who come to Minsk don't want to eat local borsch but something they eat back home. At this they must pay. Keep in mind that many expencive restaurants in Minsk are owned by some government institution. For example McDonalds, Fridays, Il Patio, Planeta Sushi are franchises run by belarus state oil company.

Talking about night clubs keep in mind they are subject to government review once a year when their licence is renewed. Every club near the entrance must put two licences they got from government. One issued by Ministry of finances (meaning they don't make financial problems) and another one from Ministry of interior (meaning they don't make troubles with laws). So each year you have some clubs closed and some new opened. Madison used to be good club but it's closed due to investigation. Accusations of "connections with Russian mafia".

The problem with clubs in Minsk is simple. Since 2005. Belarus government increased the quota of studens from Russia who come to Minsk for their studies. For many Russian students Moscow is to expencive for studying so they come to Minsk which is cheaper. Mostly this students are from oil rich regions of Siberia. This students don't have many money for Moscow but their oil money is plenty for Minsk. They want to spend their money in fancy places so this places are opened for them and not only opened but constantly increasing their prices. As Worldbank says most normal young people don't go to clubs (or have ever been there) especially if they are students supported by their parents. Even people who are working and have like 200 Euro salary don't go there. Because it will mean they will have to spend like 50 Euro for one night there. So for all of you who are in Minsk and happen to meet a girl there advice. Most probably she'll find a way for you to take her there, she will have 2-3 of her girlfriends in tow, you'll spend big money on them and in return you will get nothing sexwise. In this clubs you can find pros but for high price. Belarus girls are not that cunning since small numbers of foreigners ever visit Belarus. UN reports says that number of foreigners visiting Belarus is close to number of foreigners visiting Iran he he. As I told before people in Belarus are close and shy so simply you don; t know what they think about anything. Minsk is hard to interact with people so you can imagine how it is in some small provincial city in Belarus.

And yes Belarus is expencive for foreigners thats true. Even the mister of tourism complained that Belarus is too expencive since the government prefer to open very expencive hotels and restaurants insted of mid priced and cheaper ones. Not to mention hassle and like 200 Euros to get belarus visa. Even as the tourist destinations Belarus has almost nothing to offer. Exept hunting tourism with hunters coming mostly from Poland and Germany.

Basically Belarus is boring and I'm open here. When I want to get wild in any way I simple leave Belarus and go to Russia.

And for anybody planning to go to Belarus in the future. Pay attention to this.

In this year preparations are made for presidential elections which will be on February 7, 2011. This means the country will become more "closed", meaning more strict on visa issue, more problems with visa after entering the country, more control on foreigners. I'm sure we know who will win.

Gents, my first report here. I hope, it helps a bit.

I am just back from Minsk. The girls are hot!

Disco NEXT (Crowne Plaza Hotel, 3rd Floor) - buy tickets on 1st floor before taking a lift upto the 3rd floor.

Strict face control. Do not be drunk, no sports shoes. You may get declined to enter.

The disco is big. Lots of WGs and non-pros. My advise (if you are with friends) is to reserve a lower line table on your left when enter with red leather seats (appx EUR120 for a table) as close to the dancing floor as possible. You'll get a lot of attention there and can start fishing from the spot. Some girls actually wink or wave hand to those table hosts ;) All girls are dressed very sexy. So you won't always know who is there for work. So follow your instincts and experience. Anyway, you have a chance to pick up a beautiful non-pro and get some action. Check different bars. Lots of WG stick to bar tables all over the club. With non-pro do not get upset if you buy her lots of drinks and she suddenly needs to go back to her parents place. It will depend on your charms and her attitude. I got back to my hotel room with a stunning non-pro and had fantastic time. But I speak fluent Russian. My American friend had issues with communication with non-pros due to language. So he headed back home with a WG ($250 for 2-3hrs).

Enjoy!

There is a small bar on your left when enter. There are normally 1-3 WG sitting and look very bored. Start your conversation. Discuss the details and tell her your room number. She'll come up in 10 minutes. You would normally be asked $150-300/hr. I anticipate them quoting higher rates to non-Russian speakers.

You will find the Strip Bar on the 8th floor in the same building but separate entrance (20 meters on your right when leave the hotel). Beautiful dancers! But they do not leave the premisses with customers. However, if you found a personal contact, the girl will give you the phone number to call during days off. They work 2 days on, 2 days off.

I spent last monday to friday in Minsk. Many beautiful woman, and was continually surprised at how open and approachable they were. Went to Next three nights where it was in fact difficult in some cases to know who was and was not working. Considering the clientele was mostly Turkic and Mediiterran basin types, you'd wonder what a lot of the chicks were in there for. ask them. Most accept a drink with you. Asking one gril about the P4P. she whipped out a cell phone and offered to call one up on spec. No need though. Found what was needed at $200 until almost noon next morning. Others said $300 for 10 hours. Heard that hotel ' security' was taking a 25% per cent cut, who knows. Next Club doesn't get really going until after 1 a.m. and with summer sun-up at like 3:30, your back at your hotel with date at daylight. Only Four, 4-star Hotels in town. Hotel Minsk guest fee was US $15 equivalent for entry after 11 and before 7 am.. $160 room per night. OK hotel, good location. Restaurant good, in general restaurants very good quality and cheap in B'rus. They close at Ten. Bars, I think, close midnight. Looked but didn't find a good one. Next time for Hotel would try Crowne, but you need to book well in advance weekend's on account of the Turks. If you try to book on line with agoda.com, note that it's listed as Intercontinental. If you phone and book direct, Crowne has good weekday discounts. Actually, an apartment would be best. Regular girls at West World would not go to hotel. Met one who called me next day and showed me Minsk for two days but would not be caught dead in hotel. She was international law student, well-spoken, blazing hot, just all round perfect company. Too bad she wasn't from poor family needing cash. This being summer, every night in the parks on the grass were many people all ages out getting drunk. Go speak your English and attract female attention in a hurry. Get russian-drunk and have sex in the grass behind bushes and feel like fifteen again. Wouldn't be adverse to going back, but there so many better places than Minskworld.

[QUOTE=Golfinho] She was international law student, well-spoken, blazing hot, just all round perfect company. Too bad she wasn't from poor family needing cash.[/QUOTE]Obviously the fact that relationships with women can exist without money being the primary motivation is beyond your comprehension. It sounds like it has been a while since the last time you were with a girl who didn't expect any financial benefice but simply liked you as a person (if that ever happened).

FYI, confidence, cultural awareness, charm, wit, humour, sentimentality and sensitivity takes you far with a FSU girl.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Obviously the fact that relationships with women can exist without money being the primary motivation is beyond your comprehension. It sounds like it has been a while since the last time you were with a girl who didn't expect any financial benefice but simply liked you as a person (if that ever happened).

FYI, confidence, cultural awareness, charm, wit, humour, sentimentality and sensitivity takes you far with a FSU girl.[/QUOTE]Wizz Air, is starting flights from London to vilnius in May.

So I am thinking of paying Minsk a return Visit. This would make it much easier than the last time Flying to Kaunas First then by Bus to Vilinius, a couple of Nights there then Minsk.

I didn't care much for vilinus or even worse Kaunas.

I met 2 lovely students in west world. One was Blonde & the other brunette.

They weren't hookers and they showed me around Town.

Was just wondering if they were the same ones?

[QUOTE=Prosal]Obviously the fact that relationships with women can exist without money being the primary motivation is beyond your comprehension. It sounds like it has been a while since the last time you were with a girl who didn't expect any financial benefice but simply liked you as a person (if that ever happened).

FYI, confidence, cultural awareness, charm, wit, humour, sentimentality and sensitivity takes you far with a FSU girl.[/QUOTE]Too bad you don't know what is sense of humor, mon petit ami. It sounds like it's been a while since you've dwelt on a facsimile of planet earth (if that ever happened). Try getting out of Las Halles more often.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]Too bad you don't know what is sense of humor, mon petit ami. It sounds like it's been a while since you've dwelt on a facsimile of planet earth (if that ever happened). Try getting out of Las Halles more often.[/QUOTE]It didn't sound like humour, but like a pathetic (and desesperate) statement from a looser who doesn't think it's possible to score quality girls without paying. FYI a girl wants someone she respects, someone she can communicate with, someone who knows her on a deeper emotional level, someone who don't only see her solely from a "what can I get from her" perspective. Concepts like respect, charisma, personality, charm, empathy, wit, etc, come to mind, but I don't expect you to know any of these terms.

Anyway, yeah, I haven't travelled much those past months. I can score top-level girls in my own country. To entertain your bitterness, here is a pic of my new and very beautiful 19 yo Russian GF (from Omsk), as we strolled around the Champs Elysees. Pic was taken last weekend on my Iphone, as you can check.

And FYI, I live one minute walking to Opera, not in fucking Halles. Obviously you know from Paris only the worst district, which doesn't surprise me.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]Too bad you don't know what is sense of humor, mon petit ami. It sounds like it's been a while since you've dwelt on a facsimile of planet earth (if that ever happened). Try getting out of Las Halles more often.[/QUOTE]It didn't sound like humour, but like a pathetic (and desesperate) statement from a looser who doesn't think it's possible to score quality girls without paying. FYI a girl wants someone she respects, someone she can communicate with, someone who knows her on a deeper emotional level, someone who don't only see her solely from a "what can I get from her" perspective. Concepts like respect, charisma, personality, charm, empathy, wit, etc, come to mind, but I don't expect you to know any of these terms.

Anyway, yeah, I haven't travelled much those past months. I live in a wonderful world-class city where life can be great, and furthermore, unlike you, I can score top-level girls in my own country. To entertain your bitterness, here is a pic of my new and very beautiful 19 yo Russian GF (from Omsk), as we strolled around the Champs Elysees. Pic was taken last weekend on my Iphone, as you can check.

And FYI, I live one minute walking to Opera, not in fucking Halles. Obviously you know from Paris only the worst districts, which doesn't surprise me. :)

[QUOTE=Jojosun]Wizz Air, is starting flights from London to vilnius in May. So I am thinking of paying Minsk a return Visit.[/QUOTE]Wizz if damn cheap, but nowadays even big national companies offer great deals.

Paid 260 € on Air France for a round-trip ticket to Kiev, departure November (but unfortunatly I have to delay my trip to Ukraine).

[QUOTE=Prosal]here is a pic of my new and very beautiful 19 yo Russian GF (from Omsk), as we strolled around the Champs Elysees. Pic was taken last weekend on my Iphone, as you can check.[/QUOTE]Clone yourself, so you'll have someone to talk to, petit ami, and share your rich fantasy life.

[QUOTE=Prosal]FYI a girl wants someone she respects, someone she can communicate with, someone who knows her on a deeper emotional level, someone who don't only see her solely from a "what can I get from her" perspective.
I can score top-level girls in my own country.[/QUOTE]She wants someone who can "score" her. Yes, you know what is respect for women: it's Scoring them.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Wizz if damn cheap, but nowadays even big national companies offer great deals.

Paid 260 € on Air France for a round-trip ticket to Kiev, departure November (but unfortunatly I have to delay my trip to Ukraine).[/QUOTE]Not Cheap as Chips, as you get sometimes on budgat Airlines.

£42=48 Euro Return, London To Vilnius, return in May on Wizzair.

In Nov, about half (the fare above on air France), London to Kiev. Return.

What wins it for me at the end of the day when looking for mongering destinations, affordability in getting there, and the currency rate.

The £& us$ are on favourable grounds in Ukraine & Belarus.

If it wasn't for 2 factors here, then it would be pointless going there in the first Place.

Just have a look at all the mongering opportunities& prices in London, and some right round the corner.

Girls from all backgrounds & colors, albiet almost none from Ukraine& Belarus, due to Visa issues.

I can spend a night or 2 in vilnius & do the Strip clubs on the main st there.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]Clone yourself, so you'll have someone to talk to, petit ami, and share your rich fantasy life.[/QUOTE]Oh, yeah, fantasy life. By the way, when you cheat about a place where you've never stepped a foot in, you should check the spelling before :)

[QUOTE=Golfinho]I was in Moldyova, doing tourism.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Golfinho]I did Chisenau-Moldava.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Golfinho]She wants someone who can "score" her. Yes, you know what is respect for women: it's Scoring them.[/QUOTE]Right. You obviously don't understand shit to Slavic girls, hence your pathetic fails.

Slavic girls want to be chased. They want to be charmed over and over again. They want to be played with, like the hot animals they are. They like games. They like manly, uncompromising, skilled and witty guys who can go from sentimental and emotional to mischevious and bad in a heartbeat. They want to be respected but dominated. They don't understand nor respect Western uncertainity. This is the Russian mentality.

Anyway, I don't expect you to understand any of these concepts. Honestly, you'd better stick to low-cost Birman prostitutes instead of trying to woo FSU women.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]I was in Moldyova, doing tourism.

I did Chisenau-Moldava.[/QUOTE]BTW, it's Chisinau, Moldova.

Now repeat after me : C.H.I.S.I.N.A.U - M.O.L.D.O.V.A.

LOL

[QUOTE=Prosal]They like manly, uncompromising, skilled and witty guys who can go from sentimental and emotional to mischevious and bad in a heartbeat. They want to be respected but dominated. They don't understand nor respect Western uncertainity. This is the Russian mentality.[/QUOTE]Conquesting teenagers for a promenade along the gay-Paree (spellcheck, please) tourist trails. And, boasting about it, begging to be believed.

Ok, as you like, frog-nik. You da man! We're done here.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Oh, yeah, fantasy life. By the way, when you cheat about a place where you've never stepped a foot in, you should check the spelling before :)[/QUOTE]Off to Paraguay/Argentina next week. want a postcard, frog-nik?

[QUOTE=Prosal]Slavic girls want to be chased. They want to be charmed over and over again. They want to be played with, like the hot animals they are. They like games. They like manly, uncompromising, skilled and witty guys who can go from sentimental and emotional to mischevious and bad in a heartbeat. They want to be respected but dominated. QUOTE]And, you're flashing that 'manly wit' in their native language(s) no less. [blue][Non-English text deleted by Admin][/blue]

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[QUOTE=Golfinho]Off to Paraguay/Argentina next week. want a postcard, frog-nik?[/QUOTE]Well, since August, you've allegedly been in Varsaw, Tashkent, Minsk, Caracas, Medellin, Cartagena, Vilnius, Bucaramanga, Rangoon, Sao Paulo, Riga, Bangkok, Goiania, Dhaka, Rio, and surely some other places. Correct me if I am wrong. Problem is that on all those destinations, you've only posted "infos" that seem to be a short mix of things obviously found here, on Lonely Planet forum, and God know where else.

Honestly, you should consult. Mythomania is a mental disorder, and furthermore, in your raving mind, you obviously came to the conclusion that you have some moral right to preach, debate, deride, insult, chide and argue with everyone and everything. A plague for a forum, but also a plague for yourself if you want my opinion.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]Conquesting teenagers for a promenade along the gay-Paree (spellcheck, please) tourist trails. And, boasting about it, begging to be believed[/QUOTE]Yeah. Blondishka, 19 yo, 1,72m, 48 kilos, all charm, feminity, wit, and with no or few materialistic expectations. A lofty "score", but not all of us are ugly hardcore woremongers with no skills nor game, as you obvioudly are, you bolvan you. And FYI, one big plus in a hot adventure with a 19 yo girl is that she doesnt really expect the relationship to last forever, but she just really enjoys the ride.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]frog-nik?[/QUOTE]By the way deriding someone on his nationality is neither a sign of wit, neither a sign of intelligence.

How an acrimonious, pontificating and boring "constant debater" troll (doubled with a mythomaniac) is still allowed to post on a forum like this one is beyond me.

Not that I care a lot, it's Jackson's business after all.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]Off to Paraguay/Argentina next week. want a postcard, frog-nik?[/QUOTE]

We'd be happy just to have one single report with useful infos from you, if you will ever get out of your home...once...

[QUOTE=Lukasek]We'd be happy just to have one single report with useful infos from you, if you will ever get out of your home...once...[/QUOTE]Yeah, there's more and more very weird people on this site. Who unfortunatly, haven't stayed in the Thai, DR or Brasil forums, but have invaded the FSU threads. Doc, Privet, and some others have already understood this situation, and don't feel the need to post no more. Honestly, atmosphere is SO bad now that it's going to be my time to leave this forum also soon. Once more, not that I care that much. The webmaster has contribued to that situation.

Oh, just bought a very nice Pal Zilezi Sertorial winter coat yesterday, black cashmere and mink, perfect for winter in FSU, a magnet for girls. I'm hurry to travel.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Oh, just bought a very nice Pal Zilezi Sertorial winter coat yesterday, black cashmere and mink, perfect for winter in FSU, a magnet for girls. I'm hurry to travel. :)[/QUOTE]Sorry, Pal ZileRi. I should go slower on Charteau Margaux on Sunday nights, when Russian GF is gone sleeping in her home.

[QUOTE=Golfinho] They like witty guys


For sure you know nothing of slavic girls.

My apologies for the earlier quote which I hastily directed to the wrong
member.

As to the monger that believes witty chat will bed you devs, I can only say that after 15 years of a completely free sex fiesta with Polish, Russian, Lithuanians, and Ukrainians in my U.S. city, I never found that trait to be of any interest to anybody.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow]As to the monger that believes witty chat will bed you devs, I can only say that after 15 years of a completely free sex fiesta with Polish, Russian, Lithuanians, and Ukrainians in my U.S. city, I never found that trait to be of any interest to anybody.[/QUOTE]They also like cultured guys. By-and-large, Russian girls are far more learned in classical arts (literature, painting, music) than Western girls. Their intelligence, or at least cultural knowledge, is astounding, and without cultural awareness, no chances to be successful with non pros in this part of the world. Being able to discuss about Bulgakov, Pelevin or Lermontov to a Russian girl is a ticket to her panties.

Nonetheless, given your stupid reflexion quoted above, I don't expect you to know nor understand those concepts.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Well, since August, you've allegedly been in Varsaw, Tashkent, Minsk, Caracas, Medellin, Cartagena, Vilnius, Bucaramanga, Rangoon, Sao Paulo, Riga, Bangkok, Goiania, Dhaka, Rio, and surely some other places.[/QUOTE]Obviously having the means and unlimited resources to travel is an unknown concept to you. In the meantime, hang in there, log on to your homepage, pretend you're president of your own company or whatever, doll yourself up in frognik fashion. there are plenty impressionable teenagers to seduce.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]Obviously having the means and unlimited resources to travel is an unknown concept to you.[/QUOTE]If your "contribution" about your imaginary trips (inevitably mixed with venom, acrimony and pomposity) weren't so sad, one could almost chuckle.

Nonetheless, given your stupid reflexion quoted above, I don't expect you to know nor understand those concepts.[/QUOTE]

I say it as I see it. Russians have an unusual cold and no bullshit demeanor. Probably why they use terms such as "ice princess". I like to use simple tools such as dressing well and holding myself up with a strong presence. I look for chemistry and never say too much. Most devs know if they want to fuck within the first 5 minutes of laying eyes on you.

Good luck Prosal with your intellectual masturbation to snag that hot pink. Power to you if it actually works.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow] Good luck Prosal with your intellectual masturbation to snag that hot pink. Power to you if it actually works.[/QUOTE]Come on. Russian women are great conversationalists. Most of my Russian GF have admitted to me that being able to have a witty and interesting talk with a guy is VERY important to them. It's undoubtedly not the only thing to be successful with Slavic girls, and it may vary from girl to girl where it actually ranks in importance, but as cultural awareness (BTW, don't know where to be aware and interested by Russian culture is "intellectual masturbation"), it is definitely one of the things that boosts your position.

Anyway, agree with you that being well-dressed is also a factor of importance. Anything less than a well-groomed guy is not a guy worth fucking for a Russian girl.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow]For sure you know nothing of slavic girls.[/QUOTE]With your only two weeks in Moscow (completed, admittedly, with lots of experiences with Slavic strippers or prostitutes in Newark-NJ lol), sorry, but I can't figure out how you became an expert on Russian women psyche, Russian society and Russian culture.

[QUOTE=Prosal]With your only two weeks in Moscow (completed, admittedly, with lots of experiences with Slavic strippers or prostitutes in Newark-NJ lol), sorry, but I can't figure out how you became an expert on Russian women psyche, Russian society and Russian culture.[/QUOTE]

Its Chicago, not Newark, and this city sprouted many euro clubs after the fall of communism. Polish Russian filled the nightclub scene with many needy women looking for men, especially American men.

First I would like to say to you Prosal its not supportive to call another members post stupid. You may be a very senior member of this board, but someone like myself can clearly see the pay to play character you are with no real understanding Eastern European girls. At least guys like Bez Bezzara are straight up mongers with no delusions of who they are and do not present complete falsehoods of how connect with Russians.

Here is the big give away to who you are. Your words in quote "being able to discuss about bugakov, Pelevin or Lermontov to a Russian girl".

You got to be kidding me. The whole basis of all mongering is always always always based on the neediness of that girl at that time of her life. I did 15 years of trolling through different euro clubs Fridays and Saturdays relentlessly looking for the "just wright girls" that truly needed that wright man at that time of there life. It takes a special talent to spot it and be able to play off it. Many of these girls were intelligent and well schooled and looking for educated men. I have a college degree, but quite a few of these girls had far more schooling and culture than myself. The common denominator of there interest towards me was there neediness for who I was as a man and not of my cultural and intellectual abilities.

I've read your posts Prosal, and like I said earlier your simply a Bez Bezzara pay to play pro with complete amateur skills in snagging free pink.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow]Here is the big give away to who you are. Your words in quote "being able to discuss about bugakov, Pelevin or Lermontov to a Russian girl".[/QUOTE]and, discussing 'to' in their native Russian, no less. (LOL). Or ukrainian. Or b'Russian. Etc.

Prosal has made and proudly shared his discovery: 'Russian girls do not like men who smoke in stairwells. ' this very important information is 'cultural awareness', a characteristic Russian woman enjoy along with 'with' and great conversation. In their second or third languages. (roll eyes) entirely sober, with a frognik.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow] First I would like to say to you Prosal its not supportive to call another members post stupid.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Climaxnow]For sure you know nothing of slavic girls.[/QUOTE]Well, as long as you'll answer things like "you don't know shit about. " (especially when it's to a seasoned traveller to the part of the world you're talking about, and when yourself have barely spent two weeks in this same area), await to receive an answer on the same tone. If you don't like it, just change the tone of your posts.

That said, and then I'm done with this silly conversation, yeah, Russian girls are suckers about their own culture. And if you'd had spent more time in FSU, you'd know that they also don't like sex-hungry tourists who are there solely to fuck girls, and are not even subtle about it. They are not naive and they know the deal. Being culturally aware, mixed with a "real" reason to be there (like "I'm here on business" or "I'm here to visit a friend who works at Embassy") boosts your position. Period.

Anyway, I'm packing for two months (well, in fact 10 weeks) in Ukraine. Have a good time in Chicago "euro clubs (whatever this means).

BTW, before leaving to Ukraine, I've read all Gogol.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow]I've read your posts Prosal, and like I said earlier your simply a Bez Bezzara pay to play pro with complete amateur skills in snagging free pink.[/QUOTE]Well, during my trips to FSU, I've met ISG brother-in-arms who can testify about what I am. It's not your case.

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[QUOTE=Golfinho]and, discussing 'to' in their native Russian, no less. (LOL). Or ukrainian. Or b'Russian. Etc.

Prosal has made and proudly shared his discovery: 'Russian girls do not like men who smoke in stairwells. ' this very important information is 'cultural awareness', a characteristic Russian woman enjoy along with 'with' and great conversation. In their second or third languages. (roll eyes) entirely sober, with a frognik.[/QUOTE]
Golfinho, you've been caught red-handed of mythomania and BSing, and you still dare to troll the threads for deriding and insulting?. Shit, your case is more serious than I thought. You should really consult, or at least start a hobby, bottle caps or something!

[QUOTE=Prosal]Golfinho, you've been caught red-handed of mythomania and BSing, and you still dare to troll the threads for deriding and insulting?. Shit, your case is more serious than I thought. You should really consult, or at least start a hobby, bottle caps or something![/QUOTE]A regular Clouseau: the only thing you 'caught' is yourself. prepping for a trip with undergraduate first-level literature? read for the first time? how pathetic. a self-acknowledged ass clown. pack along an edition of 'diary of a madman' for reference, if your mythomania hasn't gone beyond help.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Well, during my trips to FSU, I've met ISG brother-in-arms who can testify about what I am. It's not your case.[/QUOTE]Sorry for my english. "Comrades-in-arms". Several of them BTW.

[QUOTE=Golfinho] prepping for a trip with undergraduate first-level literature? read for the first time? how pathetic.[/QUOTE]Don't know why I even bother to answer to such acrimonious, embittered and ridiculous BS. But Bulgakov, Bunin or Lermontov "undergraduate first level literature"?. This statement is truly pathetic. With people like you, no wonder why there's an underlying dislike, and even sometimes hate, of Americans in FSU. FYI, a book like "Master and Margarita" (Bulgakov), that Russians place at the Pantheon of Literature, is a multi-levels chef d'oeuvre that most Russians read at least three or four times in their life, at all ages. And yes, ranting in a witty conversation with a Russian girl "Two citizens appeared at the Patriarchyi Prudy. ", which is the opening line of Master and Margarita and a phrase that all Russians know by heart, definitely wins you points and boost your position in her eyes. But how would you know that?

Anyway, very honestly, you should stop sprewing your venom and your frustrations with such ridiculous and pathetic diatribes (and at the same time, stop posting about imaginery trips). You're only making a fool of yourself.

[QUOTE=Prosal]a phrase that all Russians know by heart, definitely wins you points and boost your position in her eyes.[/QUOTE]Winning points and boosting position? By parroting phrases in translation. Well, at least you're upfront about where you're coming from (roll eyes). Why don't you come back to this thread after you've actually visited Belarus. If you ever do. And make a real contribution, re.: where to find women. In the meantime, your trolling clutter only wastes time and space here.

[QUOTE=Golfinho]And make a real contribution, re.: where to find women.[/QUOTE]As I already said, obviously the fact that relationships with women can exist without money being the primary motivation is beyond your comprehension. It sounds like it has been a while since the last time you were with a girl who didn't expect any financial benefice but simply liked you as a person (if that ever happened). So from what I can decipher from your posts, by "women", you mean "prostitutes" or "money hungry bitces". Sorry by I can't help.

Anyway off to Borispol in a few hours. Bye. See ya in two months.

[QUOTE=Mellowtrax]Day 3 – Saturday (mid-range day)

Today was the first day of “Gogolfest”, a very big event in Kiev with parades, concerts, exhibitions and fireworks in the evening. Nikolai Gogol was a Russian writer, originally from Ukraine, living in the 19th century. All the girls I spent time with mentioned him, probably because of the big festival about to take place. However, and as mentioned by Prosal, cultural awareness definitely gives you extra point with the girls, freebies as well as P4P’s.[/QUOTE]BTW Golfinho, happily for the monger's "public image" in FSU, not everyone (see quote above) is an obtuse and unpleasant hard-core woremonger such yourself are. And happily, your breed of culturally unaware ugly sex-tourist is still not preponderant. But things are changing, and not for the best. You are the living proof.

Don't count no more on me to display here my best adresses BTW.

[QUOTE=Prosal] what I can decipher from your posts, by "women", you mean "prostitutes" or "money hungry bitces". Sorry by I can't help.

Anyway off to Borispol. [/QUOTE]Deciphering based on your own experience obviously. No need for reportage from slavic appalachia about finding teenagers to get drunk with in your incipient middle age.

[QUOTE=Prosal]everyone is an obtuse and unpleasant hard-core woremonger... culturally unaware ugly sex-tourist[/QUOTE]That's all you seem to know, as that is what you are: a sex-tourist. and, more than that -- memorizing snippets of Gogol for a visit to Russia -- a poseur (translation: ass clown).

[QUOTE=Jonesie;1103812]I still am no better prepared for a trip to Minsk than I was before.[/QUOTE]Not really a matter of importance, as you'll probably never go there.

Anyway your post is a kind of stupid. If you'd knew anything about about FSU, you'd knew that free pussy is everywhere and just waiting to be fucked. No need of ISG. Nonetheless it needs self-confidence, charm (and also to be well-groomed) , discernment, poise, time, cultural awareness and of course a bit of cash, as freebies means free but also "normal" dating expenses. If you got none of those, and are afraid to fail miserably as Golfinho admitted have failed, better stay in prostitution meccas such as Bangkok, DR or Rio.

I'm having a blast in Kharkov.

BTW,

The days when so-called "rich" foreigners ruled the FSU club scene are long, long, long gone, but if you go to a late night, face-controlled, high end and expensive bar or club anywhere in FSU, you will find very very good looking women (including some really top-level beauties, only accessible in the West through the covers of fashion magazines) all dressed up with wild partying on their minds, and looking for similarly well-groomed, heavy drinking and prodigal men with the right "look" and "game" to provide the drinks and company to get the job done. If you can fit in and keep up, is up to you.

[quote=jonesie;1103812]my biggest pet peeve about this site is the layout forces you to dig through pages and pages of you *******es insulting back and forth to dig up useful information about a trip. after reading many pages of you guy's bullshit, i still am no better prepared for a trip to minsk than i was before.[/quote]woow, do you really expect everything to served on a plate for you?

i do not mean to sound rude. quoting lp guide about belarus it says: as for belarus there is not a season that can be called high or low. it is always low season. i am actually surprised that here is as much information posted as it is. some info posted here is very good, and some not so good. obviously this is the information you will get. where else to turn? to go to belarus is a bit of pioneer work. not ready to do that? choose the fkk's in germany. all ready and rather good value. 50 euros a pop. or kiev with its clubs, or moscow if you wallet is thicker.

i think a few guys has stopped to post and that partly includes me. i am a frequent visitor of belarus, but why should i post? i have almost none to discuss the belarus scene with here. it is not like in russia or ukraine or even moldova where you have daily posts and rather many mongerers going. especially in russia and ukraine there are tons of expats, and they are the most frequent posters. so, statistically here should be much less posts, and hence, here are not that many posts. belarus is much less frequently visited than most other fsu countries. stastitics. it is true, it is a much less frequently visited country, and especially for mongerers i believe.

face it: belarus is a rather strict country and also hidden and not so explored with its pros and cons (though i have to disagree with that there are cameras everywhere. and also that it takes half a day to get registred renting an apartment). if you don't know how to pick up women in the first case (in any western country or elsewhere) you need to start to try to get a few skills. police, in general is not a problem at all, if you behave. no passport checks etc. (have been in belarus +20 times)

in fsu men takes the intiative, especially in real life meetings. now, that doesn't mean to be rude, but to be very open and "on the go" and charming, and have humour. especially after reading her signals, which can be subtle, or obvious. a friend of mine. 54 and not good looking (big guy. huge beer gut) but charming as hell, can get in to contact with most girls, even in sweden where i come from. that doesn't mean he will get them, but he has broken the ice. in fsu his chances are so much greater and he will get more poon. no doubt about it. a young handsome guy on the other hand, without charm social skills will get no where. it has to be some sort of combination, or know how to use the skills you got. i am not a handsome guy, but i am open. and on the go. and believe it or not i'm rather charming (sorry not meant to brag). i have probalyy lost some girls, especially a few young ones, because of my looks though. learn how to play your cards. if you are brad pit, you know your hand. but a brad pit cold as ice, and no poker face, i say i would beat. in belarus i have plus 50 won hands, in the amateur game of love / sex poker.

it is utterly wrong to paint all with one brush. girls in fsu are individuals, but do share some common traits and values as well. they do value the classic (with the values going under that defintion) and partly strong man. quite a few girls have complained that guys from belaeus are "njet kulturne", partly as prosal wrote. vodka and rude behaviour is not what the generally wish for. younger girls tend to like more of the adventure, and a bit older (+24) tend to be more serioius. not a rule, but a ball park. as a man, how should you behave? if you got some skills with slavic girls, and girls in general, or at least a firm interest and a bit of knowledge in russian language. well, then i think you can start to consider belarus. as with jobs, experience is the best meeter how you will perform.

if you break that magic barrier when you start to know what is going on and have the feel how to get a girl, including the internet sites, then you will face the cost aspect. it is not cheap unless you have contact and / or are smart. still it will cost. all in life that is good will cost, of course.

can you cope with this and are ready to work? then you are ready for belarus. if you do manage, yes it is very nice and very rewarding. as i wrote before, i have my reasons to come back, again and again.

and guys, skip club next. it is shiite! been there, done that! it is a pity you guys even talk about that club. the true belarus and the girls with their gems are outside of that club, or the values it stands for.

be smart, be rewarded, and have fun. for payed sex, go to the fkk's, or other countries.

if you are a pioneer and a true hunter, and got some experience. yes, belarus could be the place.

returned from belarus a month ago. (didn't want to be there during the election period)

/felix

It is against my policy (I believe we should be careful with posting pics of normal girls. And of course no faces) but I post a few pics of one of my GF's in Belarus. She is 23.

A November delight.

She is hard core and superb GFE (of course as my GF). We have been together for +18 months.

Enjoy!

/Felix

This year I spent about six months in Belarus. 80% of time in provinces.

Hitted 73 various females aged 18-40 (I don't discriminate). Each more than once.

I was there during elections, loved how most of foreigners (there's small number of them anyway) fled in hurry.

Going back next month.

Felix nice GF but does her husband approve you?

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1107239]Not really a matter of importance, as you'll probably never go there.

I'm having a blast in Kharkov.[/QUOTE]Kharhov's in Belarus. And, you're not a sex tourist. LOL. Just a culturally aware frog gone a courtin' &_&

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1107692]Kharhov's in Belarus[/QUOTE]Smart ass)

If you ever happen to be in Kharkiv in the next two weeks, come say "Hi" at Radmir Club.

And don't stay at the bar nervously nursing your Baltika like a loser, as you surely always do. I'm the dude with the Berluti shoes sitted in the VIP area with five super hotties at his table.

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[quote=felix nordic; 1107404]do you really expect everything to served on a plate for you?

i do not mean to sound rude.

i am a frequent visitor of belarus, but why should i post?

i have almost none to discuss the belarus scene with here.[/quote]this is not to start an argument, just to answer your question, ok?

and by the way, you deserve commendations for doing your duty, and sharing those views of the business end of your white russian comrade's starfish.

and kudos to kurenda's keen eye on the matrimonial band mention, not much gets past the master!

but to answer why should you post? please don't discount the hundreds of your fellow members who truly seek to learn from your experience. you are much more fortunate than you realize, to have such opportunity to spend quality time off the beaten path. the number of members with 20 visits to a place like belarus must certainly be less than 5, if that many, so your reason to post can't be to have someone to discuss the scene with.

the reasoning has to be, simply put, to share your experience, with those of us who, for whatever reason, choose a different destination. you already know my philosophy, that it would be really boring, and basically suck, if we all wanted the same thing, or all went to the same place. the coolest thing about fsu, is that its big enough to allow for many years to come of mongering exploration.

but what good is exploring, if you're not going to come here, to the national geographic of pussy, as jackson had the genius to give us, and share something from your adventures? whether that's stories, or photos, or info, or advice, the content is not necessarily the issue, but the intent should still be, not to keep it all to yourself. especially because you think its not worth it to post, simply because no one is going to give something back to you that you can use.

really, felix, its that attitude, that guys like you know who, a name i need not mention, drag the whole board down, with their whining and empty boasts, that only know how to complain about what other guys write, while they brag on their own success, yet have nothing to show, because in reality, there is nothing. its a dead giveaway that their motivation is greed, not generosity. beating one's chest like a dumb ape requires no effort, imagination, or resourcefulness. convincing reluctant dyevs to model in the nude, is, as you know, quite a bit more of a challenge.

you do it, because your brothers here, at least the ones with any class, that are not consumed by the bitterness of jealousy tied to their own failures, appreciate your efforts, whether they express that appreciation, or not. and i don't just mean photos, because the tales of your adventures are also fun to read, and likewise appreciated. certainly more than the incessant whining and bragging of those who can't do anything else, or delude themselves that photos of booze bottles will impress anyone.

jonesy couldn't be more right, when he mentioned that the arguing back and forth, on style, and approaches, is akin to schoolyard poseurs. its an absolute waste of bandwidth.

you, on the other hand, could be providing something that maybe nobody else, other than kurenda, can give us. a keen insight into the shady world of belarussian mongering, and i think i had to make sure you understand that there are readers who appreciate that kind of contribution, because you asked why should you do it, like you knew no reason that would make it worth your trouble.

we've had our disagreements, no doubt, and certainly more to come, but don't let that get in the way of what's good for the board. just because you don't get something, should never be a reason for you not to give, and give generously, to this institution. i'm absolutely certain that the majority agrees with this philosophy.

so don't get your panties in a bunch. let's start this new decade with a better outlook on what we can all do to make isg more worthwhile and less bitter and toxic. find some motivation to peel back a few layers of your belarussian exploits, and give us all something to ponder.

because if you haven't noticed, the kharkov board mysteriously has not had a single post since september 2010, even though someone's been very busy posting hundreds of complaints and insults, posted by someone who's supposedly "having a blast there with 5 super hotties at his table" every night. sounds coincidentally very similar to all those tashkent fictions about the bevies of incredible exotic goddesses. quite hard to believe, isn't it?

well, not really. .

Bottles pic and post was a joke to point that creating a fun atmosphere by paying drinks and ordering bottles at table is one of the key to success in FSU clubs. Being stingy is not a behavior that FSU women understand nor respect.

Kharkov pics and report to come. Maybe. As Felix just said, why and for who posting reports?

As for Uzbekistan, full Tashkent report in the Uzbekistan ROD with plenty of addresses and tips. Something a priori more useful for the monger than all the BS nonsense of some unhinged serial posters here.

[QUOTE=DirkDingy;790674]Many kudos to you if you were able to shag the bartender from Irish Pub. Every potbellied expat in Uzbek has waknked off to her a few evening.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DirkDingy; 791059]Prosal, I was actually two feet from her when you SMSd your girl from Irish Pub yesterday! She is unable to SMS you and seems upset by it. Perhaps you should SMS her from your present location.

[/QUOTE]Is it fiction?)

Hi Guys,

I have 2 simple questions for you who knows this city:

We are 2 guys, in our 30's, decent looking, who speaks Russian, and we will go in Minsk soon. Of course to visit and make the touristic things but also for girls.

Where should we spend the 2 nights we will have (Friday, Saturday) ? :

First club should be with fun girls, to hope some kissings, games, at least to spend a good night with locals. If possible not with 19 year old only crowd as we are not 19 anymore...

Second club should be maybe a little bit more upscale, where amazing models can be found, of course for a financial compensation.

I will go through the thread of course, but a last updated advice is always welcome.

Thanks in advance

Hi,

I also was much more than 20 times in Belarus.

But I don't have to report to much here. I am not there for paid sex.

So tell us what happened. Freelancer? Is it possible only with english. For sure not

Anyone want some possible direction or introduction, just write me! Minsk can be very good!

Anyone going to Minsk should be aware of the current currency crisis. It seems like banks are out of USD and Euros. It has been a problem since late March. People can simply not get any hard currency for their Belarus rubles and situation is getting desperate. That means that you have to bring the hard currency with you as you can not trust to get USD or Euros in a bank from your visa card. The exchange rate has risen for the USD and was at one point up to 6000 against the ruble. There has also been established a black market exchange where you can get better deals. People do not trust the government and are desperate to get hard currency to get secured.

The reasons according to the government is that people go abroad to buy cars. The real resons are that the embargo on Belarus after the unfair election has started to affect the country in a severe way. Companys in Belarus can not import the items they want and and stopped their production and hence the cash flow has drained. Up to 600 000 workers has been released form their jobs. Belarus begs Russia for an emergency loan to save the situation and new laws are being passed on. It means that Russia can tighten its grip on Belarus. The love-hate relationship between Russia and Belarus means that Batka has to bend over. Belarus have consumed their 2009 IMF loan and will not get another due to the reverse of the democratic development. Another reason is probably the unrest in some arab countries that has stopped foreign investments. Belarus has good connections with Libya and they do have some problems so to say. Egypt and a few other countries has other problems to focus on as well.

It could also mean harder times to get a visa, or easier. They need the cash. Who knows.

Hard times also means that some girls will drop their panties easier. Not all, but some girls looking for sponsors are searching, and that goes for a few normal girls as well. I have gotten a few offers from girls already that I thought was out of reach. Nothing bad that doesn't bring any good. Still the same pros and cons as mentioned before. Just wanted to give a heads up about the currency situation.

/Felix

[QUOTE=Kurenda;1107672]Felix nice GF but does her husband approve you?[/QUOTE]Well, you have sharp eyes! . Well spotted! I did ask her last time in early March and she showed me the ring. Not a wedding ring, but with religous inscriptions bought in a church because she loves god. I think I can believe that. However one can never be too sure. Anyway, as long as she is open for me thats fine. Marriage plans are not present so to say.

And she does do ass to mouth. Another reason to keep her.

Cheers,

Felix

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic;1151334]The exchange rate has risen for the USD and was at one point up to 6000 against the ruble./Felix[/QUOTE]Felix Nordic,

Nice summary. I've been to Belarus a couple times and know Minsk well. What's up with the 6, 000 roubles to 1 dollar rate? I noticed a spike as high as 3, 070 to 1, but it's been hovering around 3, 000 for the past couple years. I haven't seen 6, 000 and all exchange rate sites don't point to this either.

[QUOTE=AZN Monger; 1151341]Felix Nordic,

Nice summary. I've been to Belarus a couple times and know Minsk well. What's up with the 6, 000 roubles to 1 dollar rate? I noticed a spike as high as 3, 070 to 1, but it's been hovering around 3, 000 for the past couple years. I haven't seen 6, 000 and all exchange rate sites don't point to this either. [/QUOTE]Its reports that I have got. I have also checked the on-line exchange rates and it seems to be around 3000.

However if you check this link you can see:

[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/22/belarus-rouble-idUSLDE73L06U20110422[/url]

I do not know what todays rate is. The main thing is to be aware of the currency problems.

Cheers,

Felix

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1151334]Anyone going to Minsk should be aware of the current currency crisis. It seems like banks are out of USD and Euros. It has been a problem since late March. People can simply not get any hard currency for their Belarus rubles and situation is getting desperate. That means that you have to bring the hard currency with you as you can not trust to get USD or Euros in a bank from your visa card. The exchange rate has risen for the USD and was at one point up to 6000 against the ruble. There has also been established a black market exchange where you can get better deals. People do not trust the government and are desperate to get hard currency to get secured.

The reasons according to the government is that people go abroad to buy cars. The real resons are that the embargo on Belarus after the unfair election has started to affect the country in a severe way. Companys in Belarus can not import the items they want and and stopped their production and hence the cash flow has drained. Up to 600 000 workers has been released form their jobs. Belarus begs Russia for an emergency loan to save the situation and new laws are being passed on. It means that Russia can tighten its grip on Belarus. The love-hate relationship between Russia and Belarus means that Batka has to bend over. Belarus have consumed their 2009 IMF loan and will not get another due to the reverse of the democratic development. Another reason is probably the unrest in some arab countries that has stopped foreign investments. Belarus has good connections with Libya and they do have some problems so to say. Egypt and a few other countries has other problems to focus on as well.

It could also mean harder times to get a visa, or easier. They need the cash. Who knows.

Hard times also means that some girls will drop their panties easier. Not all, but some girls looking for sponsors are searching, and that goes for a few normal girls as well. I have gotten a few offers from girls already that I thought was out of reach. Nothing bad that doesn't bring any good. Still the same pros and cons as mentioned before. Just wanted to give a heads up about the currency situation.

/Felix[/QUOTE]Hi Felix, what's up?

Thanks for this post of great added-value. I also checked the exchange rates today and the € is about 4 500, which seems great. Don't know the ruble/€ conversion historic though, you remember how as it say two years ago? And you know what is currently the black market rate for the €?

Belarus has always be described as a rather "expensive" country (well, compared to Ukraine). The rouble depreciation surely set up a new deal (cheaper running costs and "dating expenses"). What's your thoughts about it?

Cheers

Hi everyone,

I am due to go to Minsk in May for the first time. I will stay at hotel Planeta which seems to be nice for mongering. I need some basic information about local habits, such as average price for ST and any other tips.

Can somebody give me hand?

Sam

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1151459]Hi Felix, what's up?

Thanks for this post of great added-value. I also checked the exchange rates today and the € is about 4 500, which seems great. Don't know the ruble/€ conversion historic though, you remember how as it say two years ago? And you know what is currently the black market rate for the €?

Belarus has always be described as a rather "expensive" country (well, compared to Ukraine). The rouble depreciation surely set up a new deal (cheaper running costs and "dating expenses"). What's your thoughts about it?

Cheers[/QUOTE]Hello, Prosal!

All fine here, and how are you? Any new adventures on the agenda?

Of course questions are raised, taken the democratic movements in some arab countries into consideration and how that will affect Belarus. So far nothing has happened after the crackdown during last election. But sanctions are hurting Belarus and now there is a huge currency crisis. The exchange rates has been rather stabile for the last few years.

According to new information the "real" banks withhold the official currency rate at around 3000 Rouble / 1 USD. Since there are no hard currency to get in banks, a black marked has started. In the black market in the streets you will get 5500-6000 for a USD. Probaly one would not want to be caught by police exchanging black though. Who knows how long that will last or if the crisis will deepen.

Yes Belarus is rather expensive, but now there could be an option at least to get many Roubles for everyday expenses like resuarants, night clubs etc. Of course prices are rising for imported items. Still you have to pay for apartments in hard currency and that goes for the sponsor girls or P4P. However that wont hurt me as I go for normal girls, unless I get a stunner to sponsor. The best thing is that girls are more keen to open up when the hard times prevail. It is my opinion. I go to Minsk 27 of May and will see how it is. Better bring along a lot of USD cash.

Cheers and happy hunting.

Felix

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic;1151875]It is my opinion. I go to Minsk 27 of May and will see how it is.[/QUOTE]Spasibo for your answer Felix. It would be nice if you report about this black market exchange rate.

Just arrived in Minsk today. According to friends and listening to radio in taxi the exchange rate at commercial banks is 4000 per dollar, and have been told it's not possible to sell dollars for over 4000 at the moment, which is confirmed by this Bloomberg article: [url]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-11/belarus-ruble-drops-23-on-streets-of-minsk-after-limits-lifted-banks-say.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Sam Suffit; 1151639]Hi everyone,

I am due to go to Minsk in May for the first time. I will stay at hotel Planeta which seems to be nice for mongering. I need some basic information about local habits, such as average price for ST and any other tips.

Can somebody give me hand?

Sam[/QUOTE]I stayed at Hotel Planeta as well.

Nice Hotel Friendly staff.

Few hookers in the Bar upstairs next to the Strip Bar.

I was quoted US$100 for one hour. I think you need to pay another US$20 to the security guy.

Didn't try the P4P there. Pulled 2 stunners from Westworld Club. They were students.

Had a great time there.

Strip bars are a good deal.

Plenty of choice in Westworld Club, due its sheer size.

Few strip clubs in the same complex. You are allowed to touch as well.

Other hookers are in hotel Jubleney in the bar cafeteria upstairs.

This hotel is on the main street just down from Planeta hotel.

There I was quoted $70 for ST.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ; 1154118]Just arrived in Minsk today. According to friends and listening to radio in taxi the exchange rate at commercial banks is 4000 per dollar, and have been told it's not possible to sell dollars for over 4000 at the moment, which is confirmed by this Bloomberg article:

[url]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-11/belarus-ruble-drops-23-on-streets-of-minsk-after-limits-lifted-banks-say.html[/url][/QUOTE]Just short brief to anyone who is coming over to Minsk just now. Unofficial exchange rate for USD is 6200-6300 BYR to sell and 6800-7000 to buy. Official rate is still around 4500. 4700 BYR. Do not use cards. Your money will be converted according to official governmental rate which is around 3100 BYR.

[QUOTE=MinskGuide;1157292]Just short brief to anyone who is coming over to Minsk just now. Unofficial exchange rate for USD is 6200-6300 BYR to sell and 6800-7000 to buy. Official rate is still around 4500. 4700 BYR. Do not use cards. Your money will be converted according to official governmental rate which is around 3100 BYR.[/QUOTE]Thanks. To put things in perspective, any idea of the respective costs (BYR) of let's say a Corona or a mojito at Madison or Next, a taxi ride within center, and a diner for two in a mid-priced restaurant?

[QUOTE=Prosal;1157305]Thanks. To put things in perspective, any idea of the respective costs (BYR) of let's say a Corona or a mojito at Madison or Next, a taxi ride within center, and a diner for two in a mid-priced restaurant?[/QUOTE]Prices are on a rise but not, of course, as higher as USD itself. Corona (I assume you mean the supermarket?) has recalculated prices up to 80 per cent for imported goods. Bars and restaurants keep prices the same for local products. Taxi ride is the same but price for benzine will go up definitely so expect a rise though not very big I think.

Everything happened within last two weeks. Have no idea what will happen in the future but I am sure Belarus won't be as expensive as it was just a two month ago.

BTW the girl freebie I met last Monday here in Kiev went to Minsk 2 weeks ago, she told that prices of food and normal stuff are now twice than in Kiev and that people is trying to not think seriously to all this, they hope it will finish soon, but she told on longer time it can take even a bigger financial crisi overthere.

Maybe it is time they will kick off the "president"

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1155085]I stayed at Hotel Planeta as well.

Nice Hotel Friendly staff.

Few hookers in the Bar upstairs next to the Strip Bar.

I was quoted US$100 for one hour. I think you need to pay another US$20 to the security guy.

Didn't try the P4P there. Pulled 2 stunners from Westworld Club. They were students.

Had a great time there.

[/QUOTE]Thanks so much Jojosun. Without your advice I would not have been able to find the night bar at the Planeta as they tend to hide it a little bit. Threre, I could met a nice brunette named Elena with whom I have a wonderfull ST. I was quioted $150 including the tip for the security guy. I didn't try tio bargain because I have not local curreny and nothing but 3 notes of $50. Anyway, I don't regret. Elena was verry keen to please me.

[QUOTE=MinskGuide;1157323]...Corona (I assume you mean the supermarket?) has recalculated prices up to 80 per cent for imported goods. Bars and restaurants keep prices the same for local products...[/QUOTE]I believe Prosal meant the price of beer Corona or Heineken and cocktail as mojito in bars and discos and what about the entrance fee to get into the highest level of clubs?

[QUOTE=Prosal;1157305]Thanks. To put things in perspective, any idea of the respective costs (BYR) of let's say a Corona or a mojito at Madison or Next, a taxi ride within center, and a diner for two in a mid-priced restaurant?[/QUOTE]About 1. 5 weeks ago we found to sell dollars at 4500 (official was 4K). The problem is you need to know who to sell to and can get in trouble if you don't.

Price wise your best bet get a table at a club. A bottle of vodka is 80000 (so 15-20 dollars at current rates). Taxi ride 8000-10000, ride to airport is 80000 as well (40 minute ride). You get the idea.

Things are real cheap over there right now. Will not comment on girls since we all speak fluent Russian and so it may or may not be an advantage. Club Next is where many hookers are and they are generally attracted to turkish type guys. Don't go to club Africa, they charge extra for every girl who sits at your table. They are out of their mind. In my opinion your best bet is to hang out by McDonalds in the center area, and hit clubs at night.

[QUOTE=Lukasek;1157696]I believe Prosal meant the price of beer Corona or Heineken and cocktail as mojito in bars and discos and what about the entrance fee to get into the highest level of clubs?[/QUOTE]50K max, I haven't seen more. You might be able to get a flyer and get in for free. Not sure about mojito, we always did bottles.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ;1158725]Club Next is where many hookers are and they are generally attracted to turkish type guys. .[/QUOTE]Are you kiddink me? They're attracted to the cash in the wallets of the turkish type, if anything)

Update of the situation with hard currency. Now official rate is 4930 BYR for 1 USD. Still no dollars and other currency in the banks for buy / sell. Black market trades USD for 5300/6200.

Moreover, there are rumors that the state will introduce monopoly for import of consumer goods. Have no idea how it will influence the exchange rate but, probably, in the nearest future we won't be able to drink Corona or Heineken. Only local brands.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ;1158725]Price wise your best bet get a table at a club. A bottle of vodka is 80000 (so 15-20 dollars at current rates).[/QUOTE]In what kind of clubs, Sean?

Besides clubs, is there good DJ bars in Minsk? (something that lacks to Kiev)

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1158888]In what kind of clubs, Sean?

Besides clubs, is there good DJ bars in Minsk? (something that lacks to Kiev) [/QUOTE]Kiev and Ukraine has rich and outstanding DJ club scene, and some of the best DJs I met in New York and Chicago come from Kiev and Lviv. Kiev has after hours parties that go on until noon the next day, and people understand the underground music.

For good DJ music Minsk is the last place I would go to. We went to MayDay party in Minsk, I would say 20 thousand people were there and not one wore a glow stick. Belarus is cheap, has may beautiful girls that outnumber men, and friendly people and for me these are the only reasons to go there. For info about clubs, PM me.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ;1159024]Kiev and Ukraine has rich and outstanding DJ club scene, and some of the best DJs I met in New York and Chicago come from Kiev and Lviv. Kiev has after hours parties that go on until noon the next day, and people understand the underground music.[/QUOTE]Agree about the club scene in Kiev, nonetheless by DJ bars I meaned, well, DJ bars (smilie).

Planning a trip to Minsk. Would any one have following info.

1. Is there any park / s in the city? Any suggestions for rental apartment in a nice central area near night life (disco, casino etc) near health club / gym and park (for jogging ).

2. Would like to take Russian language classes. Any info about Russian language schools?

3. Names of some discos for non pro regular girls?

Thanks

Any info on how to get letter of invitation for visa. Is there any agency in New York area which assists for Belarusian visa?

Thanks

Been wondering whether or not to head to Minsk.

I'm guessing I would not be able to use my bank cards over there as I will be screwed by the rate the bank sets. Suppose I would have to take USD or EUR into country.

I heard there is no food in the shops. Overall the situation must be worse than depressing at the moment, do you think I should go or steer well clear, I don't want envious eyes watching me whilst eating a sandwich.

[QUOTE=Juicyfruit; 1161269]Been wondering whether or not to head to Minsk.

I'm guessing I would not be able to use my bank cards over there as I will be screwed by the rate the bank sets. Suppose I would have to take USD or EUR into country.

I heard there is no food in the shops. Overall the situation must be worse than depressing at the moment, do you think I should go or steer well clear, I don't want envious eyes watching me whilst eating a sandwich.[/QUOTE]Juicy,

Mate the only sandwich you need to worry about is the ones you'll be having in the hotel room :) Belarus' economy is in trouble but not that bad that people will steal your last copeck. The great thing is that Belarus will be cheeper now due to the devaluation of the rouble. Take Euros as they are the most wanted and exchange on the black market, friends there tell me it's 9100 to the Euro on the black (take obvious precautions ). I've spent a lot of time over there whilst working for a charity in Grodno. You want to hit it up this summer? Read my report on here about it (rambles on a bit, was drunk when I wrote it I think ). It's not a good pro hunting place to be honest but freebies are good. If you really want some fun then we could pop over the Belarus border to some small Russian backwater towns that run down the Rus / Bel border, Russia has much much more opportunity. Trust me.

[QUOTE=Juicyfruit; 1161269]Been wondering whether or not to head to Minsk.

I'm guessing I would not be able to use my bank cards over there as I will be screwed by the rate the bank sets. Suppose I would have to take USD or EUR into country.

I heard there is no food in the shops. Overall the situation must be worse than depressing at the moment, do you think I should go or steer well clear, I don't want envious eyes watching me whilst eating a sandwich.[/QUOTE]Yes, Belarus economy is in trouble. Not that bad as you expect though. Official rate is now around 5000 BYR for 1 USD. Black market rates are between 5700 and 6300 BYR. You are not advised to get BYR with your card but you can get USD or EUR freely in cash machines. All the fuss was about BYR card holders trying to get USD cash under official rate. The gov just stopped it.

As for prices and cost of living in Minsk there is a interview with a Brit who has been living in Minsk for 7 years.

[url]http://belarus-minsk.com/index.php/Teachers/i-keep-telling-my-friends-to-come-to-minsk.html[/url]

Might be interesting for someone.

[QUOTE=Borderland; 1161868]Juicy,

Mate the only sandwich you need to worry about is the ones you'll be having in the hotel room. Belarus' economy is in trouble but not that bad that people will steal your last copeck. The great thing is that Belarus will be cheeper now due to the devaluation of the rouble. Take Euros as they are the most wanted and exchange on the black market, friends there tell me it's 9100 to the Euro on the black (take obvious precautions ). I've spent a lot of time over there whilst working for a charity in Grodno. You want to hit it up this summer? Read my report on here about it (rambles on a bit, was drunk when I wrote it I think ). It's not a good pro hunting place to be honest but freebies are good. If you really want some fun then we could pop over the Belarus border to some small Russian backwater towns that run down the Rus / Bel border, Russia has much much more opportunity. Trust me. [/QUOTE]You mean like Saratov? Always wondered about that, it must be good.

As far as economy, relating to other posts, plenty of food in the stores and a lot of decent restaurants from cheap to expensive (relatively).

[QUOTE=Borderland; 1161868]Juicy,

Mate the only sandwich you need to worry about is the ones you'll be having in the hotel room. Belarus' economy is in trouble but not that bad that people will steal your last copeck. The great thing is that Belarus will be cheeper now due to the devaluation of the rouble. Take Euros as they are the most wanted and exchange on the black market, friends there tell me it's 9100 to the Euro on the black (take obvious precautions ). I've spent a lot of time over there whilst working for a charity in Grodno. You want to hit it up this summer? Read my report on here about it (rambles on a bit, was drunk when I wrote it I think ). It's not a good pro hunting place to be honest but freebies are good. If you really want some fun then we could pop over the Belarus border to some small Russian backwater towns that run down the Rus / Bel border, Russia has much much more opportunity. Trust me.[/QUOTE]Borderland. Nice to hear from you again on places yet to be discovered.

Have you been to Tiraspol recently? , and if so your much valued advise is needed in the Moldova Forum.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Zinda; 1160777]Any info on how to get letter of invitation for visa. Is there any agency in New York area which assists for Belarusian visa?

Thanks[/QUOTE]You can get a Hotel Booking in Minsk via an Agency, and take the Booking to the Embassy to get the VIsa.

In london I used selectaroom. Com.

Very reliable.

Just returned back from Belarus and can add some info. The economic sitiation is indeed very problematic, and the shortage of hard currency like USD end Euro is the BIG thing. Very often I could overhear conversations between people talking in the streets and Euros and dollars was often heard. Another thing already mentioned is that many companies has stopped production and released their workers. As some payments has to be done in hard currency it leaves many ordinary people with a lot of problems. Most still gets their salary in Belarus rubles and they see their living conditions going the negative way. Not to mention those who have planned to go abroad for vacation.

I managed to exchange on the black market for Belarus rubles at 6000 to the USD. That is close to 20% up from the official rate which is now at around 5050. I heard that carpenters repairing your house want payment in the first case in hard currency. If payed with Belarus Rubles they want 10000 for the USD. At the airport shops had dfferent prices for hard currency and when payed with Belarus rubles, even according to the official rate. One shop set the Euro to 10000 and the USD to more than 7000.

It is not as bad though as some articles suggested. There are still plenty of food in the shops, but the prices have been adjusted upwards. Some imported goods are a 100% up but for some demestic products prices has not risen much. Bananas and other imported fruits were almost a 100% up as were Lays crisps. Prices on local alcohol had not risen much at all, but there has recently been a 10% tax raise. Still much cheaper than it used to be, especially if you change black. Cigarette prices has not risen much either. But what happened in the last days of my stay is that all the foreign brands disappeared from the shelfes. Before that you could buy a packet of Camels for 3200 rubles, which with black market exchange rate would be 1/2 a USD for a packet. Thats very cheap.

Entrance fees for the clubs has not risen much and that makes it very cheap now. Expect taxi prices to rise as the petrol price has risen much lately. Still good prices. Imported beers in the clubs are around 50% more expensive. A Pinacolada for a 19 year old student costed me 40000.

Apart from my "team" of ordinary girls, I found a stunning girl to sponsor. An ex-model. 24 years and 178 cm 58 kg, a pure 9, who needed hard currency to pay for her studies. Some things open up with harder times. Girls in general were a bit more open, but they were also a bit busier as well. It was of course student exam period, but for the girls with work it seems they have to work a lot and were really keen to keep their jobs. Not to loose at least some money and security.

Besides the economic crisis things were rather calm, as usual.

Met a forum member as well on my last evening which was nice. Cheers man, nice to meet! . I hope you will get success with one of the girls we met in West World club. . I Pulled a girl from the club after my friend went home to sleep (Girl was normal looking and a 7, but ok, sweet face) , and I shagged her at 4 am in my apartment. After sex and watching TV she told me she wanted money (which was never mentioned before. Conversation in club was that she was asking me if I had a wife or children or a GF. I of course said no. I told her I look for a girl for relationship because I come to Belarus on a regular basis. She asked me what I am doing in Belarus and I answered. After our conversation I suggested we go to my apartment as a wild chance. She asked if I had anything to drink, and I told her I have real good whisky and cola. And she liked that) I explained to her after she mentioned money that if she want money she has to tell that from the start. I am not looking for a prostitute. She was not really happy that I offered her taxi money only (50000). She told me her mother was ill and she needed money. I explained to her that I was tired and needed sleep because I fly home later the same day. I gave her USD 10 extra to get rid of her and she left. A semi-pro gold digger. Cest la vie! At 08.00 came my GF to say good bye to me, but I was so tired and it wasnt a pleasure.

/Felix

Where do you find these girls? And how much does it cost to sponsor them? I would prefer online places as I do not like night clubs / discos etc.

gentlemen,

with all due respect to this forum and its distinguished contributors, i am getting fed up with bumping into the term turkish-type or tukish-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128][CodeWord128][/url] blah blah? are you insane? this is racism! that is illegal and means penalty! you would be interrogated for doing that on the street! referees forfeit games because of racist reactions! please, behave yourselves!

totally feel you on that carteblanche. the lack of manners and the ability to be sensitive and empathetic to others who are not like you is supposed to what makes us civilized 21st century individuals.

on a complete separate note, i am living in poland right now, but i travel all over eastern europe and former soviet union (fsu / cis) and i am really into group sex scene or swingers clubs which admit single men / men without female partners. i know warsaw has some clubs, moscow does. does minsk have a group sex / swinger scene? i would assume not, but then again i don't want to assume.

in poland, warsaw to be exact, they are opening up this place called le moulin rouge warsaw, [url]www.lemoulinrougepl.com[/url], which is trying to mirror the london adult party scene.

their first sex party is on june 29th. 2011 and they are throwing a parties wednesday through saturday.

5 girls, all inclusive unlimited sex, drink and food. this might be a nice alternative to the swinger scene in warsaw which i often have to pony up a escort to take with me to a group sex party which can be costly. is this an issue in minsk getting an escort to attend a swinger party with you?

le moulin rouge warsaw throws 2 hr parties. 3 times a day at a contribution of 550 polish zloty.

is there anything like that in minsk an adult group sex party or swing scene? they h.

[quote=carteblanche; 1166505]gentlemen,

with all due respect to this forum and its distinguished contributors, i am getting fed up with bumping into the term turkish-type or tukish-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128][CodeWord128][/url] blah blah? are you insane? this is racism! that is illegal and means penalty! you would be interrogated for doing that on the street! referees forfeit games because of racist reactions! please, behave yourselves! [/quote]

[quote=carteblanche; 1166505]gentlemen,

with all due respect to this forum and its distinguished contributors, i am getting fed up with bumping into the term turkish-type or tukish-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128][CodeWord128][/url] blah blah? are you insane? this is racism! that is illegal and means penalty! you would be interrogated for doing that on the street! referees forfeit games because of racist reactions! please, behave yourselves! [/quote]is this some kind of spam or what on earth are you talking about?

who in the belarus part talked about turkish-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128][CodeWord128][/url]? you are talking crap.

if you feel it is offensive that some refers to clubs as being frequented by arabs and turks, and what that often brings regarding the scene, these are factual observations. if you have not observed the clubs in minsk you should not comment. though the phenomena can be observed in many other fsu countries as well. it is not a well kept secret that tons of sex tourists arrive from turkey and other middle eastern countries. these "tours" and the men associated with it very often gather in special clubs and that attracts a lot of hookers. some members more keen on amatures do not fancy this atmosphere and would prefer clubs with ordinary belarussians. there you find a much higher frequency of normal girls. i for sure do not like these middle eastern havens, and try to go to other clubs. it has nothing to do with racism at all, simply what kind of clubs and clientele that you feel comfortable in and what you want to hunt.

in general it can also be said that turks has a somewhat bad reputation in some fsu countries wheter you like it or not. no smoke without a fire. thats rather well known and not up to you and me to decide. why does for instance some brittish tourists have bad reputation at some resorts? why does some scandinavian tourists have bad reputation in austria? because many behave bad and get drunk and scream in the streets. yet the majority behaves well, but yet a trend can be observed. hence the bad reputation. with that said, there are of course many turks that behave good as well. however there is a reason for some reputations. period.

post something that adds value to this forum or do not post at all.

cheers,

felix

Turkish man; it's not a must for you.
To spend your time in a western culture.
If somebody doesn't like me; I stay away.

[QUOTE=Vag Venator;1166443]Where do you find these girls? And how much does it cost to sponsor them? I would prefer online places as I do not like night clubs / discos etc.[/QUOTE]The sponsor thing is rather big in FSU. It is a more gentle form of prostitution for both parts, but can be costly depending on the girl and how experienced she is to the game. Quite often these girls are young students without work or with a badly payed job. Some girls will do it for gifts only, and some for the combination of gifts and small money, and some will go for the very expensive gifts and rather big money. Quite often the stunners know their value and will cost you more. Occasionally you find beauties that are not experienced "spoilt" or fresh first timers. These are the diamonds, if you are lucky to find them.

Gifts comes in all forms, ranging from perfumes to fancy exotic trips. There are no fixed rules, and it is up to you and your skills to negotiate a good deal, and up to the girl and how keen she is on you and how desperate she is. In general it is easier if you are a business man, and with a nice manners, and visiting the country often, than if you are a first time visitor. (or tourist) One should also try to blend in a lot of charm, and a "fresh" sponsor girl will feel more comfortable, and more like she is your girlfriend. She will feel like she is your girl, the only difference is that you will help her a bit which makes her feel much better. I have only had a few sponsored girls, and I'm not that experienced as other members might be in this area. I know a few girls that intially have told me that they need help "pomosh" but have later withdrawn that and felt ashamed of herself for telling me. And hence after that has meet me without any requests about money. That means that it can pay off to be nice to them and not to treat them as a piece of meat only or a "prostitutka".

These girls can be found on internet sites and / or by contacts (insider info). Start with Mamba. Ru and sites like that. There are girls with profiles and photos. Use a translator programme and contact them. However it will take some time to sort out the goodies from bad seeds. For a "rookie" it will be harder unless you are skilled. For those with business in Belarus or frequent visitors it is easier. I would say that it takes a few visits to build up a network. Usually I do not search for "sponsored" girls, but I make exceptions occasionally if they are very beautiful or nice looking and kinky. Still nothing beats the pure amatuers. And with their personality, and GFE. Thats my game.

Cheers.

Felix

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic;1168409]Why does some scandinavian tourists have bad reputation in Austria?[/QUOTE]I am sure they (we) are all misunderstood by "ze real nazis". . Mate, I really appreciate your posts about Belarus. I was there a couple of years ago and look to go back soon. Great place, but intel is vital as always. Tack!

Barba

[QUOTE=Steve German; 1168418]Turkish man; it's not a must for you.

To spend your time in a western culture.

If somebody doesn't like me; I stay away.[/QUOTE]Could you please write in English?

We who speak English don't understand what hell you are trying to say.

First post on this site!

I am looking for a little advice from people like 'Felix Nordic' or anyone with any knowledge on the subject. Last summer was my first real 'mongering' in the FSU and I enjoyed some wonderful success with a couple Ukrainian beauties / students. I really enjoyed my time in Kyiv and have even lined up a few freebies via the internet and I am sure will pan out with little difficulty.

However. I am very interested in Minsk, Belarus. I've worked the internet pretty good and have been speaking with a number of lovely Belarusian women. The problem I am having is I am just not sure how safe or wise it is to visit this country. Of course I will avoid the demonstrations and any sight of protest I will quickly retreat elsewhere, but how wise is it to visit a country where my own country has pulled out its embassy (Canada)? I have heard the streets are clean and safe (which is more than I can say for Kyiv) but how safe is it for English speaking foreigner in this backwards country?

Any advice? Should I play is safe and go to Kyiv or take a great adventure and go to Minsk? Money is not a problem.

Hi there.

We (6-people gang) going to have a sex-tour to Eastern Europe. We have got options in Poland, Ukraine and Hungary already. We would also like to visit Belarus.

Here's a problem. We have money but not time. We going to spend only one night in Minsk. Maybe a little bit more. We don't have time for hanging out.

Could someone help with. Leisure time? It would be cool to organize a trip out of town.

Maybe you can share contacts of people who could assist us in Minsk?

Money is not a problem.

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[QUOTE=GandJim; 1043024]For those of you who are presently preparing a trip to Minsk and wonder where in hell you can obtain a travel insurance from a Belarus insurance co before you leave, you don't have to. You can get it at Minsk airport when you get out of the plane, before you go through passport control. There are a couple of booths and it's dirt cheap. I usually stay 3-4 weeks on each visit (for business) and it costs about 10-15 USD each time.

Jim[/QUOTE]Hey Jim,

Do you find Minsk expensive? I am a Canadian planning a trip there in September for one month. Now, I am not reall on a budget but I am considering a trip to Kiev again instead of Minsk. What are your thoughts? My trip is basically for mongering.

I appreciate any help or advice you can offer!

Kiev is much better option than Minsk especially if it's your first trip in FSU.

Here Belarus sub-forum has 722 reports and Ukraine thread sub-forum has 15, 862 reports.

Guess why is like that.

[QUOTE=Kurenda; 1178838]Kiev is much better option than Minsk especially if it's your first trip in FSU.

Here Belarus sub-forum has 722 reports and Ukraine thread sub-forum has 15, 862 reports.

Guess why is like that.[/QUOTE]You make a fair point, Kurenda. I was in the Ukraine last summer for one month and had a lot of success meeting women. I just thought with how segregated Belarus is and how screwed up their economy and political system is I would have more luck. Have you been to both cities?

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1176662]Any advice? Should I play is safe and go to Kyiv or take a great adventure and go to Minsk? Money is not a problem.[/QUOTE]I was in Minsk for a couple of nights once and loved the place. Went to a two regular nightclubs and made contact with some fantastic females. Minsk is very exotic IMHO. Really would like to visit again.

One partner told me that Minsk is 100% safe as long as you do not enter politics, but I have now idea about the safety at the moment.

All the best / Barba

[QUOTE=Barba; 1180430]I was in Minsk for a couple of nights once and loved the place. Went to a two regular nightclubs and made contact with some fantastic females. Minsk is very exotic IMHO. Really would like to visit again.

One partner told me that Minsk is 100% safe as long as you do not enter politics, but I have now idea about the safety at the moment.

All the best / Barba[/QUOTE]Thanks Barba!

I have zero interest in getting involved with their politics and in fact I quietly hope Belarus stays under the control of that Lukashenko fool so Belarus will continue to be a unusual / unpopular destination for tourists. I have spoken with a number of women from different websites and they've definitely shown a lot of interest in the idea of my heading to Minsk. So, Belarus is still in the cards alothough I have a deep love for all things Kyiv, Ukraine.

Minsk is getting cheaper. Prices for local drinks are still the same as they were two month ago but USD has risen from 3100 BYR to 6500 now. It was 6200 a week ago. People expect further devaluation up to 8000 BYR. So, anyone who is a hard currency holder will be fine.

As for safety, Minsk is really calm if we are talking about street crimes. Especially, against foreign tourists. Haven't heard about it for a long time. Maybe, it's because foreigners in Minsk are a bit scared, feel uncomfortable and don't want to leave center of the city. Do not know why is that. One Holland guy told me Minsk frightens him because the city is empty. True, if you are first time in Minsk you'll be surprised with very few people on the streets.

[QUOTE=MinskGuide;1181398]True, if you are first time in Minsk you'll be surprised with very few people on the streets.[/QUOTE]And then you visit Scandinavia outside the "cities" and experience what is perceived as nuclear winter by most visitors. If you are lucky you might see a curtain move if you walk by a house.

I plan to go back to Minsk soon, simply because I have the opportunity to do so with business as an excuse. Are you really a Minsk guide, MinskGuide? I always enjoy to meet someone that knows the scene. A bit like fishing. You can do it yourself and there is great joy in your own discoveries, but if you are on a schedule, a guide will with 100% certainty result in more and bigger trouts.

I will browse back the forum for some advice on where to stay. Stayed in a large fancy hotel last time, where I had a 200 € caviar serving from the tip of the tea spoon, and this time I will stay and eat in accordance with my budget instead.

B.

[QUOTE=MinskGuide;1181398]the city is empty. True, if you are first time in Minsk you'll be surprised with very few people on the streets.[/QUOTE]Here now and yes it is empty. It's quite strange.

[QUOTE=Fsu123;1181558]Here now and yes it is empty. It's quite strange.[/QUOTE]Explanation is simple. During WW2 Minsk was totally destroyed. Instead of rebuilding the city (like, for example, Warsaw did) the authorities decided to build the city center from a scratch. There are a lot of controversy about it. Some people says the historical buildings should have been reconstructed but it 's too late to discuss. What we have now is long Independence Avenue and city center have been built according to some architectural standards. Don't ask me what standards. The only thing I know it is about buildings with no more than 5 stores and wide streets. Must be some kind of proportion or something. That gives visual effect of space.

Strangely enough, but Minsk is actually a very densely populated city. Its population is three times higher that in Vilnues on the same territory. If you ask: "Where are people then?" I would advise to go to mikrorayons (small districts, I can't call them suburbia as they are part of the city).

[QUOTE=Barba; 1181528]Are you really a Minsk guide, MinskGuide? I always enjoy to meet someone that knows the scene.

B.[/QUOTE]Well, sort of. I don't do it professionally. I am just a local who had been living in the UK for a while and often go there for business (in Germany as well). Normally I enjoy having a pint or more at "U ratushi" (formerly known as "05") pub and chat with an occasional foreigner just for the sake of speaking English. Sometimes we talk about girls and share our views where to go and what to do. It would be great to meet up and have a chat with you, when you in Minsk.

As for accommodation for long term I'd rather advise you to rent an apartment than staying in a hotel. Downside is that you need to register in OVIR if you stay longer than 5 days (not sure, maybe 7 now)

[QUOTE=Fsu123;1181558]Here now and yes it is empty. It's quite strange.[/QUOTE]Yes Lukashenko rounded up all people and sent them to the agricultural fields to collect the grain. Just like in Cambodia.

No you don't know much about the Minsk.

The worst time to visit the city is July-August. Many students who are out of the town left home for summer holiday.

Many employed people take their holiday time from mid July to mid August. Right now many of them are in Crimea.

Late August and city is full again.

"Maybe, it's because foreigners in Minsk are a bit scared, feel uncomfortable and don't want to leave center of the city. Do not know why is that."

Maybe because the western medias portrait Belarus as the last dictatorship in Europe, with crazy president and huge military and police presence at the street.

[QUOTE=Kurenda; 1181822]Yes Lukashenko rounded up all people and sent them to the agricultural fields to collect the grain. Just like in Cambodia.

No you don't know much about the Minsk.

The worst time to visit the city is July-August. Many students who are out of the town left home for summer holiday.

Many employed people take their holiday time from mid July to mid August. Right now many of them are in Crimea.

Late August and city is full again.

"Maybe, it's because foreigners in Minsk are a bit scared, feel uncomfortable and don't want to leave center of the city. Do not know why is that."

Maybe because the western medias portrait Belarus as the last dictatorship in Europe, with crazy president and huge military and police presence at the street.[/QUOTE]Not that Kurenda needs me to back up his point for it to be correct, but what he is saying is right on the mark. I have a couple of friends who live in Minsk and they are all currently in the Crimea. I receive many messages from people I know in Kiev but no one from Minsk right now. They are all on vacation.

I will tell you this: I am seriously considering a trip to Minsk for 6 weeks this September but I am rather nervous about it. That said, if not Minsk I will go to Kiev and my feeling is more excitement than anything being in Ukraine once more. It is quite simply the political situation in Belarus that has me unnerved. However, my friends in Minsk tell me my anxiety is unfounded and I'll enjoy their city.

[QUOTE=MinskGuide; 1181801]It would be great to meet up and have a chat with you, when you in Minsk.

As for accommodation for long term I'd rather advise you to rent an apartment than staying in a hotel. Downside is that you need to register in OVIR if you stay longer than 5 days (not sure, maybe 7 now) [/QUOTE]Would be great. First one is one me!

No idea what OVIR is. Is it a time-consuming process?

B

OVIR = Otdel Visa I Registraciji.

Meaning Department of Visas and Registrations.

For the foreigner who wants to register on his own there it's pain in the ass. You need to take your local hosts (who usually will not do it) with you there and spend hours waiting for registration.

CanadianBoy it will be hard to get 6 week visa. Maximum for the tourist visa is 30 days. In some cases maybe visa will be issued but it will cost time and money.

Better to use that extra money in Kiev for example. Current political situation in Minsk is calm. But opposition plans protest for September. They are on also on vacation right now.

[QUOTE=Kurenda; 1182224]OVIR = Otdel Visa I Registraciji.

Meaning Department of Visas and Registrations.

For the foreigner who wants to register on his own there it's pain in the ass. You need to take your local hosts (who usually will not do it) with you there and spend hours waiting for registration.[/QUOTE]Thank's Kurenda. How many days before this crap is required? Can't I just pay someone to queue up, like in Phil?

/H

Registrations is needed in 3 working days upon arrival. Weekdays are not counted in.

Maybe this period is extended (like in Russia it was 3 working days and now it's 7 working days) don't know about it but official belarus MFA website still says 3 days.

If you're staying in the hotel they do registration for your automatically upon checking in. Any other way of accomodation and you're on your own.

If staying in apartment then agency must do it for you but in most cases agency is not owing the aprtment you will be staying in but it has a private owner.

[QUOTE=Kurenda; 1181822]Yes Lukashenko rounded up all people and sent them to the agricultural fields to collect the grain. Just like in Cambodia.

No you don't know much about the Minsk.

The worst time to visit the city is July-August. Many students who are out of the town left home for summer holiday.

Many employed people take their holiday time from mid July to mid August. Right now many of them are in Crimea.

Late August and city is full again.

"Maybe, it's because foreigners in Minsk are a bit scared, feel uncomfortable and don't want to leave center of the city. Do not know why is that."

Maybe because the western medias portrait Belarus as the last dictatorship in Europe, with crazy president and huge military and police presence at the street.[/QUOTE]Kurenda, but is the western media's portrait of Belarus and its government true? To what extent is it accurate?

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1183031]Kurenda, but is the western media's portrait of Belarus and its government true? To what extent is it accurate?[/QUOTE]Try this one:

[url]http://counterpunch.com/brand07082011.html[/url]

A fairly well-reasoned interpretation, though nothing a casual tourist out to have a good enough time as he can ought to trouble himself thinking about too much.

As for expenses, costs will end up getting reckoned in harder currencies.

[QUOTE=Golfinho; 1183037]Try this one:

[url]http://counterpunch.com/brand07082011.html[/url]

A fairly well-reasoned interpretation, though nothing a casual tourist out to have a good enough time as he can ought to trouble himself thinking about too much.

As for expenses, costs will end up getting reckoned in harder currencies.[/QUOTE]I want to thank you, Golfinho, for suggesting that link. I read it quite carefully and enjoyed it immensely. While I am not ready to jump on the 'feel sorry for poor Lukashenko and his government and screw the US and Russia' bandwaggon, I must say the objectivity of the article was both refreshing and illuminating. Maybe I will head to Minsk instead of Kiev this September afterall.

To Canadianboy: I assume that you are Canadian by the name. .

Did you stay in Ukraine / Kiev last year between 8:th and 12:th of September, and was a frequent visitor at the Rio Club?

To all: Hi, am a new member. I really like the forum, a lot of nice posts and information.

[QUOTE=Zzap3000; 1185658]To Canadianboy: I assume that you are Canadian by the name. .

Did you stay in Ukraine / Kiev last year between 8:th and 12:th of September, and was a frequent visitor at the Rio Club?

To all: Hi, am a new member. I really like the forum, a lot of nice posts and information.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am Canadian and I was in Kiev last summer for one month from mid-July to mid-August. I was actually at Riverpalace in Kiev the night before it was forced to close. I have never been to Rio club as it doesn't interest me. Why do you ask?

I am coming to Europe this mid-September to late October and seriously debating between Minsk and Kiev.

It was a long shot. We met a nice Canadian guy there (don't remember the name) and he seemed to be there every night. We are going to Minsk in mid-September.

[QUOTE=Zzap3000;1185937]It was a long shot. We met a nice Canadian guy there (don't remember the name) and he seemed to be there every night. We are going to Minsk in mid-September.[/QUOTE]All Canadian guys are nice. Anyway, send me a PM what dates you'll be in Minsk. Maybe we can meet up for a drink or whatnot. Have you been there before? I am a little apprehensive about going but I know a lovely young woman living there who promised to show me her city.

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1191712]I was in Belarus for 16 days and I will try to post a report later.

It was mentioned that registration must be done within 3 days but it is actually 5 days.

Also I found a bank where you can get USD cash if you have a foreign account with hard currency. It is Prior bank. The one I went to was here:

[url]http://maps.google.se/maps?hl=sv&gs_upl=1401l6456l0l7579l16l16l0l2l2l0l251l2297l1.11.2l14l0&bav=on.2[/url]

, or. R_gc. R_pw. &biw=1366&bih=665&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=prior+bank+Minsk&fb=1&gl=se&hq=prior+bank&hnear=0x46dbcfd35b1e6ad3:0xb61b853ddb570d9, Minsk, +Vitryssland&ei=ieVbTt2QK4-bOsmdwIMM&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=image&ved=0CAQQtgM&iwloc=cids:7878493680528873388.

It is a good relief for those who needs more hard currency and did not bring enough. There is no guarantee however they will have USD cash. There is a ATM outside where you can get USD cash. If there are no USD in the ATM go inside the bank and make your withdrawal. Bring your passport! The official exchange rate is now around 5070 to the Belarus rouble. The last black exchange rate I got was 7250 for the USD. There is a quite official rumour the Blr Rouble will default in September to around 7000 to end the black market. Who knows what will happen? Russia has demanded conditions for their loan. Belarus has to build a new Nuclear power plant delivering 80% of the energy to Russia and leaving only 20% to be used in Belarus. Again, who knows what will happen. So, the currency crisis continues continues. It is true what some wrote that visiting Belarus in August will be hard because many girls leave on holiday, abroad or to relatives in Belarus. That also caused me some problems because some girls were just gone. However I had to adjust to my vacation period.

Cheers and happy hunting!

/Felix[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, Felix! I am coming to Minsk in mid-September for a four week stay. I am looking forward to my first trip to Belarus. Is it better to bring Euro's, US dollars or Canadian dollars or does it even matter? By the way, where can you do a 'Black Market' exchange?

Lastly, any clubs or Casino's you would recommend for out hobby? I appreciate the help!

I was in Belarus for 16 days and I will try to post a report later.

It was mentioned that registration must be done within 3 days but it is actually 5 days.

Also I found a bank where you can get USD cash if you have a foreign account with hard currency. It is Prior bank. The one I went to was here:

[url]http://maps.google.se/maps?hl=sv&gs_upl=1401l6456l0l7579l16l16l0l2l2l0l251l2297l1.11.2l14l0&bav=on.2[/url]

, or. R_gc. R_pw. &biw=1366&bih=665&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=prior+bank+Minsk&fb=1&gl=se&hq=prior+bank&hnear=0x46dbcfd35b1e6ad3:0xb61b853ddb570d9, Minsk, +Vitryssland&ei=ieVbTt2QK4-bOsmdwIMM&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=image&ved=0CAQQtgM&iwloc=cids:7878493680528873388.

It is a good relief for those who needs more hard currency and did not bring enough. There is no guarantee however they will have USD cash. There is a ATM outside where you can get USD cash. If there are no USD in the ATM go inside the bank and make your withdrawal. Bring your passport! The official exchange rate is now around 5070 to the Belarus rouble. The last black exchange rate I got was 7250 for the USD. There is a quite official rumour the Blr Rouble will default in September to around 7000 to end the black market. Who knows what will happen? Russia has demanded conditions for their loan. Belarus has to build a new Nuclear power plant delivering 80% of the energy to Russia and leaving only 20% to be used in Belarus. Again, who knows what will happen. So, the currency crisis continues. It is true what some wrote that visiting Belarus in August will be hard because many girls leave on holiday, abroad or to relatives in Belarus. That also caused me some problems because some girls were just gone. However I had to adjust to my vacation period.

In the meanwhile, a photo of the exmodel I shagged in June.

Cheers and happy hunting!

/Felix

Canadianboy,

Been away for a while. We will be in Minsk between 16-20:th of Sep.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy; 1191717]Thanks for the report, Felix! I am coming to Minsk in mid-September for a four week stay. I am looking forward to my first trip to Belarus. Is it better to bring Euro's, US dollars or Canadian dollars or does it even matter? By the way, where can you do a 'Black Market' exchange?

Lastly, any clubs or Casino's you would recommend for out hobby? I appreciate the help![/QUOTE]Bring Euros or USD (not Canadian dollars!)

I am sorry to say so, and please do not take it as an insult, but you sound a bit unexperienced and naive. Please be careful and smart. Be street smart and I think you would be fine. Bargain a bit with taxi drivers but you must know a bit of Russian and sound smart.

September will be a good month. University students are back in town! Girls are more relaxed before the first exam period starts and hence can party more.

For clubs go to West World club if you are around 30 and not bad looking. Girls are younger (often 18. 22) and in general preferes men not too old, as in my case. I am 41 but I do have some EE experiences (not expert though) Some girls do prefer older "business men" as they provide hope and can give some comfort to a hard life. However flashing a western passport will get you nowhere. I am quite charming and open when going out. Bring some jokes for the girls and it is advisable to know at least some Russian. If not, your chioces will be limited. Try the club Madison for a more upscale club. Avoid Next. A high end club is Over Time (many girls favourite. I have actually not been there myself.and I think girls there could be a bit snobbish. And it might take a pinch to your wallet for club costs) A place to meet more easy girls would be Max Show or Juravinka. Be aware of the hookers at Max show as they will grossly over charge you as a foreigner. I am not that much into clubs and would rather use internet for pre contacts. It is hard to give advice because I have built up my network of girls for several years. I have done a few years of hard work and can now harvest. I would think it is harder for a new guy in town. Put on yourself the coat and role of an experienced man and be charming but not stupid. Paying drinks for girls when you feel they are overly eager might just be that you pay and loose them. Use your gut feeling. All that glitters aint gold. An honest girl will not ask you for the most expensive cocktail in the bar. A girl who knows bar men in the club or has many friends there, girls or men is a red flag. A girl who is often busy with her mobile phone is another warning sign. (you will probably have competition and she is used to the game). If she is overly serious it is a general advise to ditch her and look for a more easy girl (provided you are not ready to put time and effort into taking her to the bed. Or wish a long time GF) I have never pulled a one night stand in Belarus directly from a club and it seems it is not in their culture. With internet contacts I make around 50% that shag at first date. (of the girls showing interest and that are ready. Some still takes a few dates to open up) However that means a lot of prework and nice conversation that has to be done.

More photos of ex-model sponsorette from June.

In the last photo she wears the new panties I gave her as a gift.

/Felix

On my last visit (August) I found a really nice and pretty girl. At the bottom in the pic. Quite a wild girl. She came with her friend which I did not expect. Not really a hard core lesbian thing but they wanted to play infront of my camera and I did not mind. Her friend was not that interesting to me. But she was. Perhaps more will follow.

However this is a lucky find. I think it is not a thing available for the rookie, unless you are lucky. Perhaps I am wrong. Again, a lucky find and a sponsorette. Last photo before going to sleep. And.

/Felix

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1191732]Bring Euros or USD (not Canadian dollars!)

I am sorry to say so, and please do not take it as an insult, but you sound a bit unexperienced and naive. Please be careful and smart. Be street smart and I think you would be fine. Bargain a bit with taxi drivers but you must know a bit of Russian and sound smart.

September will be a good month. University students are back in town! Girls are more relaxed before the first exam period starts and hence can party more.

For clubs go to West World club if you are around 30 and not bad looking. Girls are younger (often 18. 22) and in general preferes men not too old, as in my case. I am 41 but I do have some EE experiences (not expert though) Some girls do prefer older "business men" as they provide hope and can give some comfort to a hard life. However flashing a western passport will get you nowhere. I am quite charming and open when going out. Bring some jokes for the girls and it is advisable to know at least some Russian. If not, your chioces will be limited. Try the club Madison for a more upscale club. Avoid Next.

Thanks for the helpful advice, Felix! When it comes to Minsk / Belarus I am naive however if you look at my posts for Kiev I have spent a considerable amount of time there (and I use to live in Budapest, Hungary) so that side of the globe is not foreign to me by any means. What is more, I have already gained a number of contact via the internet before my arrival so I have options already. I am in my mid-thirties but look younger and I dress extremely well. Like a "business man". Really, meeting women has never been an issure for me in the FSU, its just knowing where to go and where to avoid in Minsk.

Let me ask you, why don't you recommend the club 'Next'? Lastly, how expensive is it to just get my visa at Minsk-2? I have heard a variety of opinions on here and from other sources.

Again, I appreciate your help. I take all of your advice seriously.

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1191732]Bring Euros or USD (not Canadian dollars!)

I am sorry to say so, and please do not take it as an insult, but you sound a bit unexperienced and naive. Please be careful and smart. Be street smart and I think you would be fine. Bargain a bit with taxi drivers but you must know a bit of Russian and sound smart.

September will be a good month. University students are back in town! Girls are more relaxed before the first exam period starts and hence can party more.

For clubs go to West World club if you are around 30 and not bad looking. Girls are younger (often 18. 22) and in general preferes men not too old, as in my case. I am 41 but I do have some EE experiences (not expert though) Some girls do prefer older "business men" as they provide hope and can give some comfort to a hard life. However flashing a western passport will get you nowhere. I am quite charming and open when going out. Bring some jokes for the girls and it is advisable to know at least some Russian. If not, your chioces will be limited. Try the club Madison for a more upscale club. Avoid Next. A high end club is Over Time (many girls favourite. I have actually not been there myself. And I think girls there could be a bit snobbish. And it might take a pinch to your wallet for club costs) A place to meet more easy girls would be Max Show or Juravinka. Be aware of the hookers at Max show as they will grossly over charge you as a foreigner. I am not that much into clubs and would rather use internet for pre contacts. It is hard to give advice because I have built up my network of girls for several years. I have done a few years of hard work and can now harvest. I would think it is harder for a new guy in town. Put on yourself the coat and role of an experienced man and be charming but not stupid. Paying drinks for girls when you feel they are overly eager might just be that you pay and loose them. Use your gut feeling. All that glitters aint gold. An honest girl will not ask you for the most expensive cocktail in the bar. A girl who knows bar men in the club or has many friends there, girls or men is a red flag. A girl who is often busy with her mobile phone is another warning sign. (you will probably have competition and she is used to the game). If she is overly serious it is a general advise to ditch her and look for a more easy girl (provided you are not ready to put time and effort into taking her to the bed. Or wish a long time GF) I have never pulled a one night stand in Belarus directly from a club and it seems it is not in their culture. With internet contacts I make around 50% that shag at first date. (of the girls showing interest and that are ready. Some still takes a few dates to open up) However that means a lot of prework and nice conversation that has to be done.

More photos of ex-model sponsorette from June.

In the last photo she wears the new panties I gave her as a gift.

/Felix[/QUOTE]Thanks for the helpful advice, Felix! When it comes to Minsk / Belarus I am naive however if you look at my posts for Kiev I have spent a considerable amount of time there (and I use to live in Budapest, Hungary) so that side of the globe is not foreign to me by any means. What is more, I have already gained a number of contact via the internet before my arrival so I have options already. I am in my mid-thirties but look younger and I dress extremely well. Like a "business man". Really, meeting women has never been an issure for me in the FSU, its just knowing where to go and where to avoid in Minsk.

Let me ask you, why don't you recommend the club 'Next'? Lastly, how expensive is it to just get my visa at Minsk-2? I have heard a variety of opinions on here and from other sources.

Again, I appreciate your help. I take all of your advice seriously.

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1191736]On my last visit (August) I found a really nice and pretty girl. At the bottom in the pic. Quite a wild girl. She came with her friend which I did not expect. Not really a hard core lesbian thing but they wanted to play infront of my camera and I did not mind. Her friend was not that interesting to me. But she was. Perhaps more will follow.

However this is a lucky find. I think it is not a thing available for the rookie, unless you are lucky. Perhaps I am wrong. Again, a lucky find and a sponsorette. Last photo before going to sleep. And.

/Felix[/QUOTE]All I can say to this is WOW! Well, done, sir! Well done!

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy; 1191743]Thanks for the helpful advice, Felix! When it comes to Minsk / Belarus I am naive however if you look at my posts for Kiev I have spent a considerable amount of time there (and I use to live in Budapest, Hungary) so that side of the globe is not foreign to me by any means. What is more, I have already gained a number of contact via the internet before my arrival so I have options already. I am in my mid-thirties but look younger and I dress extremely well. Like a "business man". Really, meeting women has never been an issure for me in the FSU, its just knowing where to go and where to avoid in Minsk.

Let me ask you, why don't you recommend the club 'Next'? Lastly, how expensive is it to just get my visa at Minsk-2? I have heard a variety of opinions on here and from other sources.

Again, I appreciate your help. I take all of your advice seriously.[/QUOTE]I am glad you did not take it as an insult. If you got some EE experiences that is fine! I did not check your previous posts at all, so perhaps I am wrong. Just wated to give some advice. I think you will be fine. Interesting enough, I have been in Budapest quite many times. I have not explored Hungary to the full yet, but has had nice GF's there. Quite kinky ones. Again, it takes a bit work and time. Hungarian girls are among the best in Europe. No suprise why many porn models are from Hungary, I believe. Also good wine and food in Hungary. Try the reds and whites made by Wekler. They can be bought for around 1200-1300 forints in Tesco In Budapest. Hungary has more to offer regarding girls. Still In Budapest it is a bit hard. Many new comers has been fooled by easy traps in Budpest. A lot of infamous scams going on or at least used to be. I have not fallen for them, quite often at Vaci Utca. (If you know some Hungarian people they can confirm that Hungary is partly a mafia country as well)

You can get a Visa at the airport only if there is no Belarus embassy in your country. Cost is usually fair. I did that a few years ago but since then regulations changed and as my country has a Belarus embassy that option is not valid anymore. You still need an invitation voucher from a Belarus approved travel agency in order to get the visa. That will set you back another USD 30 apart from the cost of the Visa.

Why not club Next? It is a club filled with some rich elite or those pretending to be. That goes for the girls as well. Have been there twice and it is filled with hookers and Arabs. Not my kind of clientele at all. I prefer clubs where mostly "normal girls" go. Some say it has changed for the better, but I have no confirmation. Two negatives says it is a No No for me. For those who wish, please visit the club.

Cheers.

/Felix

[QUOTE]Let me ask you, why don't you recommend the club 'Next'? Lastly, how expensive is it to just get my visa at Minsk-2? I have heard a variety of opinions on here and from other sources.[/QUOTE]Hi CB.

I was in Minsk more than a dozen of times and will be staying here until the end of September. Have been to virtually every club in this city."Next" is indeed a rather expensive club, packed with (mostly turkish and arab) foreigners who don't know any better place to go.

For all visa issues check out this site.

[url]www.belembassy.org[/url]

We may catch up for a beer. Send me a PM.

After several weeks deliberating between a return trip to Kiev or a new adventure in Minsk, I decided upon the ladder and will arrive next week via Frankfurt. It wasn't an easy decision as I had a great experience and a lot of luck with women in Kiev last summer. However, I am much more prepared in going to Minsk then I was for Kiev and I'm certain I will enjoy some degree of success there. I have contacted and have been contacted by a variety of women living in Minsk from internet sites plus last summer I met a lovely Belarusian student living in Kiev at the time who promised to be my guide in Minsk. So, I am hoping for no shortage of action. Of course I will relate my experiences here as they happen – not only in dealings with women but the differences and similarities as I see them between Kiev and Minsk. Despite the lopsided difference in posts between Kiev and Minsk, I am convinced there is a lot of fun to be had in Belarus with a little patience and sense of adventure.

If anyone is in Minsk from middle of Sept. To the middle of Oct. Send me a PM!

Hello. Can someone share here any of the good belarussian web site to contact some nice girls outside of Minsk? I will visit Svetlogorsk, and would like to try to find some opportunity.

I have been living in Vilnius for 4 years now and the place is dead. You find freebies pretending you are looking for a serious relationship and super over priced hookers. They claim they charge similar prices to the ones they charge when they work abroad. That has made me consider spending weekends in Minsk in autumn.

So basically and as per what I have read here, the action happens mostly in Next and mamba. Ru, correct? Mind that the "normal club / normal girls" story is nothing I am interested in (that I already have I Vilnius and then you do not know how to get rid of them).

The fact that there are many "Arabs" in Next is not a problem for me. First of all I have been checking pics on relax. By and I have not see many "Arabs" anywhere, just a couple of Turks here and there. There seem to be more "Russian oligarch" wannabe types. I have not seen Italians at all (which is good; those are a plague) and perhaps some pommie looking guy or two (they could be Swedes or Danes). Anyway, the place looks quite foreigner free, which is good. Prices: usd100 for a couple of hours to usd100 for all night, correct? Is is possible to find good looking semi-pros at usd100-150 all night? Students, etc.

The mamba. Ru business. Hmmm. What is the average price asked for? I am talking about a nice looking girl and not the typical milky skinned bleached blonde that populates that type of sites. Any contact that you could share? I favour students short of cash for obvious reasons.

Thanks for your help.

J.

Buddy. All you need under one roof you will find in Westworld Club.

A huge place full of students, semi pros, hookers etc. And in the same complex there are Strip Clubs as well.

Touching is allowed in the Strip Clubs.

Prices are not written in stone.

Starting prices are US$100, but if you are staying in a hotel the girls will be monitored by security, who want up to 20% commission from the girls.

Vilinus. What a Shithole for P4P, and Kaunas was even worse.

No wonder the American Pilot with Ryanair compared it to Siberia, refusing to be based there.

How do I know?

Had to pass through both to get to MInsk.

And what a differnce that was.

Met 2 great looking students in Westworld club.

I am no Brad Pitt in the looks dept, but so I am told a (Tom Sellick lookalike) and in the wrong half of my forties.

In my post below, it was meant to be TOM SELLECK, not Sillick.

Otherwise you may ask SILLICK. WHO?

OMG. I can't believe Mongers not rushing to Minsk. When today at Bloomberg. Com / currencies, its nearly 8000 Ruble to the US$.

Think of all the pussies you can have with your easily earned Bucks.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy; 1195566]After several weeks deliberating between a return trip to Kiev or a new adventure in Minsk, I decided upon the ladder and will arrive next week via Frankfurt. It wasn't an easy decision as I had a great experience and a lot of luck with women in Kiev last summer. However, I am much more prepared in going to Minsk then I was for Kiev and I'm certain I will enjoy some degree of success there. I have contacted and have been contacted by a variety of women living in Minsk from internet sites plus last summer I met a lovely Belarusian student living in Kiev at the time who promised to be my guide in Minsk. So, I am hoping for no shortage of action. Of course I will relate my experiences here as they happen – not only in dealings with women but the differences and similarities as I see them between Kiev and Minsk. Despite the lopsided difference in posts between Kiev and Minsk, I am convinced there is a lot of fun to be had in Belarus with a little patience and sense of adventure.

If anyone is in Minsk from middle of Sept. To the middle of Oct. Send me a PM![/QUOTE]Hi Canadian Boy.

My apologies 4 the late Pm, only checked my box today.

Sent you a pm.

I really think Westworld, because of th sheer size of it, does have the best possibilities & its a mixture.

Try the bar & club in Hotel Planeta.

For vegeterian food & Grills + nice atmosphere try Byblos Restaurant.

Take Care

I just spent one fantastic month in Minsk. I am baffled there are not more people going to this clean, calm little city with a laid back atmosphere. I admit Minsk is a greater challenge for tourism or mongering then Kiev but there is much to like about it – especially how everything is quite cheap right now even compared to Kiev. I joined a few internet sites before I left for Minsk and gained a dozen numbers at least of very attractive Belarussian women. There were few girls offering straight up sex for roubles but many under 24 university hotties looking for a guy to support them in exchange for a girlfriend experience, which is more to my liking anyway. I have never understood the mentality of men who go to strip clubs and later boast of having sex with a woman who undoubtedly had five different guys that week. In my opinion, my route is a far greater experience and challenge.

The first week I was in Minsk I had dinner at Grand Cafe, Black Door Club or Renaissance Cafe with three of the most appealing women I met online. To be honest they were all beautiful, sweet and interested but I had to decide upon one. I liked to take them to high end places to show them I had money, class and was serious. Belarussian women love this. I finally decided on one beautiful, young studentka originally from Gomel named Ekaterina (Keyt). A real red headed beauty of 174 cm with green eyes, a model figure and a remarkably full, perky ass for such a slim woman. After a few days of taking her shopping for clothes at Mango, out to nice restaurants and an evening with her and a beautiful friend of hers at the terrific Dozari night club (it was great having two young beauties on my arms) , she started to stay with me at my flat and I enjoyed a regular GF experience with Keyt. Like many people know, Slavic women are warm, wonderful girlfriends once they decide to be with a man. In fact, she would even get quite jealous when other women in Dozari approached me.

Keyt told me how her mother, who only earned 150 USD a month, was supporting her. This is not an unusual situation for studentka's in Minsk as many I met only had one parent supporting them. So, the ability to buy nice clothes, go for nice dinners and enjoy many things in life western women at that age take for granted is almost impossible. However, many beautiful, young Belarussian women are not as liberal about sex as women from neighbouring countries. They are much more conservative and usually only offer it after they feel comfortable and respected. Once they do a man enjoys the affection of a young beauty unparalleled in Europe and North America, in my opinion. Not only was she a young, beauty who I was supporting in exchange for a GF experience but she honestly became a friend. This is the benefit of traveling in a city for an extended period of time and not just a quick weekend.

That said, I have no delusions of grandeur. While Keyt insisted she was single and excited at the idea of my returning to Minsk in April, I am sure she has a regular Belarussian boyfriend, like most of these girls do. But it's all good as there are many young beauties in Minsk to pursue!

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy; 1206682]1. I just spent one fantastic month in Minsk, and I am baffled why there are not more people going to this little city?

2. I admit Minsk is a greater challenge for mongering.

3. I have never understood the mentality of men who go to strip clubs and later boast.

4. In my opinion, my route is a far greater experience and challenge.

5. The first week I was in Minsk I had dinner with three of the most appealing women I met online, but I had to decide upon one.[/QUOTE]1. Don't be baffled! The majority's priority is to take the easier more travelled road. And don't knock them, you should really be happy about that. Would you have been happier if those places you took out the ladies to, were filled with hordes of punters from the West? Don't think so. And by the way, Minsk is no 'little city'.

2. This answers your first question.

3. Again, the easier road is the choice for most. Boasting having done something that requires minimum effort is not uncommon here on ISG, that said, there's no accounting for taste, so don't bother trying to understand it.

4. Again, the majority seem to be satisfied with a lesser challenge. Don't knock it, that will always make life much more interesting for us in the minority.

5. If you were there for FOUR WEEKS, one can only wonder what made you think you HAD to choose ONLY ONE? Maybe a new lady EVERY afternoon, and then another new lady EVERY evening? Then you COULD have told us about sixty! .

[quote=suka shalava; 1207638]1. don't be baffled! the majority's priority is to take the easier more travelled road. and don't knock them, you should really be happy about that. would you have been happier if those places you took out the ladies to, were filled with hordes of punters from the west? don't think so. and by the way, minsk is no 'little city'.

2. this answers your first question.

3. again, the easier road is the choice for most. boasting having done something that requires minimum effort is not uncommon here on isg, that said, there's no accounting for taste, so don't bother trying to understand it.

4. again, the majority seem to be satisfied with a lesser challenge. don't knock it, that will always make life much more interesting for us in the minority.

5. if you were there for four weeks, one can only wonder what made you think you had to choose only one? maybe a new lady every afternoon, and then another new lady every evening? then you could have told us about sixty! .[/quote]thank you for the intersting and insightful reply, suka. well said! i agree with most of what you wrote. however, i stick by my statement that minsk is a 'little city', much like budapest. while they are both have respectible sized populations, they feel almost like you are living in a large village then a city. after being in minsk for one month i met so many new people and recognized so many faces i joked to my belarussian friends that if i lived in minsk for one year i would know everyone in the entire city. it is not meant as an insult but rather a compliment. minsk and budapest are two of my favorite cities in europe and belarussians are very friendly people.

it was not that i only had to choose one but i had decided i wanted a gf experience rather than numerous bodies in my bed. i was in kiev for one month in the summer of 2010 and went through a number of different women and had a good time. however, i wanted to try something different. as well, i was worried about screwing it up with ekaterina. what i mean is, when an eastern european woman sets their sights on you they are terribly jealous and protective. with minsk feeling so small i was concerned about running into her while in the presence of another woman. this happened to me in kiev and i almost lost both girls. ekaterina would have stopped seeing me on the spot and she was too hot and sexy to give up, in my opinion. we were at club dozari and as soon as she would go to the bathroom or bar for a drink women would come up and try speaking with me. ekaterina would get rather annoyed at this and not find it innocent and amusing (amusing because ekaterina was much hotter than these other women) , like i did. but i digress. i actually went to club dozari alone one saturday and had a difficult time trying to pick up a woman there as almost no one spoke english which was frustrating as these girls were eye [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] me.

i am returning to minsk in mid-april for another four weeks and will be more prepared and confident this time around as i am now comfortable in the city.

[quote=canadianboy;1207719]it was not that i only had to choose one but i had decided i wanted a gf experience rather than numerous bodies in my bed.[/quote]i rather admire your determination to resist all the temptations that minsk offers! i think, however, it's not convenient to rely on one girl if you intend to go back time after time. many girls i had some years ago, suddenly had a boyfriend, married or left the country and i had no chance to meet them again.

[quote=canadianboy;1207719]as well, i was worried about screwing it up with ekaterina.[/quote]i also admire your loyalty. however, in my experience, moral values are different in russia and belarus, and girls are much more tolerant than in western countries.

[quote=canadianboy;1207719]i actually went to club dozari alone one saturday and had a difficult time trying to pick up a woman there as almost no one spoke english which was frustrating as these girls were eye [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] me.[/quote]dozari is a top-level club and not a good place to pick up a girl for the night. like in madison or next, you will see lots of breath-taking girls. but even being a good looking guy, inviting them to your table and buying them cocktails is not enough to take them home afterwards. girls there are rather looking for a long-term relation with a wealthy local guy.

you made a good point regarding language barriers. in fact, the most stunning girls i had in belarus were from some villages and could hardly speak english. without speaking russian i would not have had any chance to meet them.

[quote=canadianboy;1207719]i am returning to minsk in mid-april for another four weeks and will be more prepared and confident this time around as i am now comfortable in the city.[/quote]i will be there as well around those dates. we may catch up for a beer.

CB.

Your lady sounds like she must have been just what you were looking for. I don't know if we're all so fortunate to find the perfect combination of qualities.

I can certainly attest to the other side of the coin, which seems to be an ongoing examination of the good, the bad, the less than spectacular, and the insanely hot qualities of slavic womanhood. Could just be a victim of never really being able to figure out what I want, but I think there's a lot more to it. An extra week really brings a lot of new opportunities that would otherwise be missed, and that's something I am hoping will be possible in the not too distant future.

I simply can't imagine what I could accomplish if I had FOUR weeks! Though at the rate I push it, I don't know if I could even manage a budget that far out, now that I've gotten used to living pretty high and running pretty hard.

That leads me to ask you if you'll get a little more specific, as to how you actually spent a month of downtime in a place like Minsk, without going stir crazy. The one thing I remember about being there, was that the downtime was REALLY limited. If you're not there working, (and we're all curious as to what work you COULD be doing there if you were) , how in the world did you pass time for a month when Keyt was at lectures? More than even that, you couldn't have been in bed with her ALL the time, so what the hell else would you do? You already said your Russian is limited. That leaves a lot hours in between for something else.

As to what drives my search onward, its always about getting close but never really seeming to reach the level that could be reached. Walking around, there's such an interesting mix of beauty to keep the inspiration stoked. But opportunities usually fall short, so that it only seems to be a matter of dumb luck, to have everything fall in your lap. In the meantime, new ladies with various flaws will fade in and out of the picture, but with careful attention, as taught by geniuses like Skank and his ilk, there's more than enough passion to enflame. So though I may have failed to hook up with any certifiable superstars this time out, I did have more than my share of positive memorable experiences, and a nice bunch of new friends.

I can report that life is good in the heartland. With all its ups and downs, highs and lows, and in and outs.

As usual, my detractors will criticize me for leaving out the names of clubs and cafe's that I went to. Well, I didn't need to go to any clubs, so there's none to name. Cafe's? Well, I don't pay any attention to what they're called. We just go in one direction for a walk, and go in some place that looks good. What you guys don't understand, is that it doesn't even matter, its just a way to first get acquainted in person, to get comfortable that will lead to some romantic time alone at home later or for the next date.

Getting introduced to women by their appreciative girlfriends is still what its all about, and its always been a matter of motivation through incentives and simple signs of affection and adoration. Treat the ladies right, and they will take care of you.

Of MY three October Kate's and Katya's, the most interesting was Katya Sunday, who had a bad chocolate allergy reaction, and a mom in the hospital. With all that going against her, she was ready to 'cut loose', as they call it, and she nearly killed me working out all her frustrations on me. Between her and Nastya Red, who surprised me when she initiated anal sex like it was as normal as drinking tea, I had some truly pleasant surprises. Add that to another dozen or so new friends, and a dozen old friends, and I need a vacation from my vacation.

I wore myself down miserable at the end with Moscow traffic jams, jumping over airport fences, miserable flights and airline food, and after a few days being home, I still can't stop the diarrhea and headaches.

But it was all worth it, and I'll do it again, next chance I get.

[QUOTE=Suka Shalava; 1207958]CB.

Your lady sounds like she must have been just what you were looking for. I don't know if we're all so fortunate to find the perfect combination of qualities.

I can certainly attest to the other side of the coin, which seems to be an ongoing examination of the good, the bad, the less than spectacular, and the insanely hot qualities of slavic womanhood. Could just be a victim of never really being able to figure out what I want, but I think there's a lot more to it. An extra week really brings a lot of new opportunities that would otherwise be missed, and that's something I am hoping will be possible in the not too distant future.

I simply can't imagine what I could accomplish if I had FOUR weeks! Though at the rate I push it, I don't know if I could even manage a budget that far out, now that I've gotten used to living pretty high and running pretty hard.

That leads me to ask you if you'll get a little more specific, as to how you actually spent a month of downtime in a place like Minsk, without going stir crazy. The one thing I remember about being there, was that the downtime was REALLY limited. If you're not there working, (and we're all curious as to what work you COULD be doing there if you were) , how in the world did you pass time for a month when Keyt was at lectures? More than even that, you couldn't have been in bed with her ALL the time, so what the hell else would you do? You already said your Russian is limited. That leaves a lot hours in between for something else.

As to what drives my search onward, its always about getting close but never really seeming to reach the level that could be reached. Walking around, there's such an interesting mix of beauty to keep the inspiration stoked. But opportunities usually fall short, so that it only seems to be a matter of dumb luck, to have everything fall in your lap. In the meantime, new ladies with various flaws will fade in and out of the picture, but with careful attention, as taught by geniuses like Skank and his ilk, there's more than enough passion to enflame. So though I may have failed to hook up with any certifiable superstars this time out, I did have more than my share of positive memorable experiences, and a nice bunch of new friends.

I can report that life is good in the heartland. With all its ups and downs, highs and lows, and in and outs.

As usual, my detractors will criticize me for leaving out the names of clubs and cafe's that I went to. Well, I didn't need to go to any clubs, so there's none to name. Cafe's? Well, I don't pay any attention to what they're called. We just go in one direction for a walk, and go in some place that looks good. What you guys don't understand, is that it doesn't even matter, its just a way to first get acquainted in person, to get comfortable that will lead to some romantic time alone at home later or for the next date.

Getting introduced to women by their appreciative girlfriends is still what its all about, and its always been a matter of motivation through incentives and simple signs of affection and adoration. Treat the ladies right, and they will take care of you.

Of MY three October Kate's and Katya's, the most interesting was Katya Sunday, who had a bad chocolate allergy reaction, and a mom in the hospital. With all that going against her, she was ready to 'cut loose', as they call it, and she nearly killed me working out all her frustrations on me. Between her and Nastya Red, who surprised me when she initiated anal sex like it was as normal as drinking tea, I had some truly pleasant surprises. Add that to another dozen or so new friends, and a dozen old friends, and I need a vacation from my vacation.

I wore myself down miserable at the end with Moscow traffic jams, jumping over airport fences, miserable flights and airline food, and after a few days being home, I still can't stop the diarrhea and headaches.

But it was all worth it, and I'll do it again, next chance I get.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I guess I got lucky, Suka. I know I went out on a lot of dates with girls I met on internet sites when I first got to Minsk. The first chick I met was arguably the hottest woman I have ever had dinner with (we went to Black Door Club) but despite how sexy and beautiful she was, she was not at all intelligent and seemed more interested in her mobile phone then me. What I found even more baffling was she was quite angry with me when I was not interested in a second date. I met two others who I really liked but no one blew me away like Ekaterina. She spoke really good English and was warm, beautiful and interesting. So, I took it from there.

You are right about Minsk. It is limited in what it offers but it isn't so bad. First of all, if you are going to spend a month in a place like Minsk the first thing you must have is a brain. I mean this respectively. I like to read quality books and to write (there was a short story contest in Canada that I was entering). Often in the afternoon when Keyt was at uni and my other Belarussian friends were busy I would go to a place like Boulevard Cafe for lunch (if you are ever in Minsk I recommend this place for lunch) , relax and read for a few hours. Also, as I am a professional and cannot be seen in casino's in my city, I would frequent Victoria Casino a couple times a week for a little roulette. Good place to meet women as I added two chicks who worked there onto my Facebook from that Casino. I call it preparing for my next trip. Not a lot of people speak English there but the one's that do were always interested in finding out why a Canadian guy is in Minsk. And if you know Eastern Europe, they only hire women with good looks. Actually, the night I went to Dozari night club alone I ran into a little hottie who works at Victoria Casino. Although she was with her boyfriend, she was trying to set me up with her friend who was single. Unfortunately her friend didn't speak English and it ended there.

However, I did have a few Belarussian friends and often we would spend the afternoon in cafes eating, drinking and sharing good conversation. They were always fascinated with my impressions of Minsk and if you are visiting Belarus with foriegn currency life is pretty inexpensive there.

Anyway, Ekaterina made herself available frequently enough that I never really never got bored in Minsk. As a bachelor I don't require someone's company 24/7 and it was nice to have time to myself to explore Minsk. I plan to abuse this gained knowledge in April!

[QUOTE=East Explorer; 1207935]I rather admire your determination to resist all the temptations that Minsk offers! I think, however, it's not convenient to rely on one girl if you intend to go back time after time. Many girls I had some years ago, suddenly had a boyfriend, married or left the country and I had no chance to meet them again.

I also admire your loyalty. However, in my experience, moral values are different in Russia and Belarus, and girls are much more tolerant than in western countries.

Dozari is a top-level club and not a good place to pick up a girl for the night. Like in Madison or Next, you will see lots of breath-taking girls. But even being a good looking guy, inviting them to your table and buying them cocktails is not enough to take them home afterwards. Girls there are rather looking for a long-term relation with a wealthy local guy.

You made a good point regarding language barriers. In fact, the most stunning girls I had in Belarus were from some villages and could hardly speak English. Without speaking Russian I would not have had any chance to meet them.

I will be there as well around those dates. We may catch up for a beer.[/QUOTE]East Explorer, I agree with much of what you said. About relying on one girl, I most certainly agree and will make sure I am armed with a number of mobile numbers before I arrive in Minsk. On this next trip I am looking to branch out and chase more women. I have to be honest, as it was my first trip to Belarus and there is no Canadian or American Embassy in Belarus, I was a little unnerved about my trip. Now I feel much more confident and comfortable and will use this knowledge for my trip in April.

You are also right about Dozari but it is a nice club and I had a good time there. Madison was very close to the area I lived in and I will try it next time. To be honest, clubs are really not my first choice to meet women and I prefer internet sites, especially since I do not speak Russian.

I would greatly appreciate the opportunity to meet over a few drinks in Minsk. I will be sure to let you know the dates that I will be in Belarus this spring. I might actually take a short trip down to Kiev for a few days, as well. I really like that city, too.

Seems like this thread is starting to get some life in it! Enjoyed your report Canadian boy.

I know some are getting excited by the collapse of the Bel Rouble and it's implications for us visitors however surely prices have risen (on non essentials such as beer etc.) to counterbalance the better exchange rate and surely pro's charge in hard currency thus meaning that there is little gain to be had? I simply don't see that Belarus has now become twice as cheap merely because the currency has de-valued so significantly. Maybe Canadian Boy, Jojosun and East Explorer could share their opinions on what effect on prices and costs the devaluation has had?

I was just reading the 'WorldBanks' excellent report in the reports of distinction thread (check it out if you've not done so already ). He was mentioning how the Arabs have opened businesses there (I. E the Hotel and club) and how the local women are mostly looking for someone who visits often or has a business there. So. Why don't we start something over there? I'm not talking anything mega but something that maybe 4 or 5 of us could put say 5000 US each into and use it as an excuse to meet hundreds of women. What about a marriage agency? Low overheads, could run it from an apartment and we'd instantly have our pick of every woman on our books. I'm not saying we'd make much but what an adventure! I looked into opening a shop over there previously, had the premises sourced and everything but the import duties on the imported goods I wanted to sell made me drop the idea (splitting from my girlfriend over there also contributed to the plan failing) , however a dating agency would be a whole lot of fun. Let's face it Belarusians have no idea how to deal with foreigners properly so we could monopolize the market if we put our minds to it. Imagine interviewing the office girls we were going to hire. Casting couch :) It's probably a bit far fetched and I doubt there will be many takers but it would be the adventure of a life time. Come on fellow ISG's, let's put our heads together and come up with a masterplan! PM me your ideas.

[QUOTE=Borderland; 1208347]Seems like this thread is starting to get some life in it! Enjoyed your report Canadian boy.

I know some are getting excited by the collapse of the Bel Rouble and it's implications for us visitors however surely prices have risen (on non essentials such as beer etc.) to counterbalance the better exchange rate and surely pro's charge in hard currency thus meaning that there is little gain to be had? I simply don't see that Belarus has now become twice as cheap merely because the currency has de-valued so significantly. Maybe Canadian Boy, Jojosun and East Explorer could share their opinions on what effect on prices and costs the devaluation has had?[/QUOTE]The day I arrived in Minsk the rate at most currency exchange booths was 1 USD = 5200 BYR. The next morning the same booths had the exchange at 1 USD = 8400 BYR. It was one the strangest occurrences of my life as a traveler. I use to live in Budapest, Hungary as an English teacher and recall there being considerable flucuations of the Hungarian Forint, but nothing like this. At that time I had only just arrived in Minsk and had not the knowledge of prices of products in shops and food and drink at cafes like I do now. I did notice that some restaurants (like Boulevard Cafe and TGI FRIDAYS) had stickers placed over the origional prices which to me meant they were adjusting to the currency crisis. However, at a high end place like Grand Cafe it seemed like the prices were not adjusted at all. However, that said, Belarus is a very cheap country to visit. Taxi's, food in cafes and stores, alcohol and clothes are considerably cheaper than in the west and maybe a little less than in Kiev. Of course specialty items like electronics are more expensive that the west. For example, an iphone 4G here in Canada cost 660 USD would cost 1000 USD in Minsk.

Regardless, I am not sure what the currency rates are now in Minsk as I have been back in Canada for a week, but the morning before I was to catch my flight out of Belarus I went for a stroll on Nemiga Street and saw 1 USD = 8000 BYR. I saw the same on booths on Lenin Street, too. That was up from previous weeks.

As for women, I do know that the one's I spoke with off of the internet who were offering straight up sex for money demanded payment in USD or Euros. However, as I did not follow through with any of them I don't know how ardent they were about this. I am sure they would accept BYR if that is all one had. Once you are in Minsk it is not easy to get foreign currency. So bring a lot with you. As well, the ATM's are the worst in Europe. You can only get BYR (they offer USD but the ATM are always out) from them and I was unable to withdraw more than 250 USD at a time and sometimes the maximum was 150 USD worth of BYR, like at ATM's in shopping Malls. That is very different from Kiev where I could withdraw 1000 USD worth of Hryvnia at a time. So I had to use my Mastercard when in clothing shops.

As for business opportunities that you mentioned, it is an intruiging idea but I have some serious reservations about opening a business in a country that is not only going through a ridiculous financial crisis but one that politically is at great odds with Canada and the USA. I mean, there isn't even a Canadian or American embassy in Belarus at the moment. I think I would be more inclined to open a business in Budapest or Kiev.

Not planing to be opposition but.

To open marriage agency you must:

- be a citizen of Belarus which is the easy way.

- be a foreigner citizen with approved stay in the country which is the hard way.

- hard dealings with Ministry of social affairs before you got your licence.

- foreiginers should pay money for membership, message delivery, all other stuff going in marriage agency. According to local laws that money is considered income from abroad and is heavily taxed.

Search the net and see how many marriage agencies are located in Belarus.

Check database of some big agencies on the net and compare the number of women from Ukraine (thousands of them) and Belarus (tens of them).

How many of this agencies offer "tours" in Belarus and how many offer "tours" in Ukraine.

Most of Belarus women join agencies in Ukraine because in the last years in Belarus 13 agencies dealing with females (model agencies and marriage agencies) have been closed under charges of "paravan for prostitution".

By the way with devalvation girls charge now in hard currency.

[QUOTE=Kurenda; 1208437]Not planing to be opposition but.

To open marriage agency you must:

- be a citizen of Belarus which is the easy way.

- be a foreigner citizen with approved stay in the country which is the hard way.

- hard dealings with Ministry of social affairs before you got your licence.

- foreiginers should pay money for membership, message delivery, all other stuff going in marriage agency. According to local laws that money is considered income from abroad and is heavily taxed.

Search the net and see how many marriage agencies are located in Belarus.

Check database of some big agencies on the net and compare the number of women from Ukraine (thousands of them) and Belarus (tens of them).

How many of this agencies offer "tours" in Belarus and how many offer "tours" in Ukraine.

Most of Belarus women join agencies in Ukraine because in the last years in Belarus 13 agencies dealing with females (model agencies and marriage agencies) have been closed under charges of "paravan for prostitution".

By the way with devalvation girls charge now in hard currency.[/QUOTE]Good info there Kurenda.

I know that the Lukashenko government has done a lot of work (much of it without credit) to implement measures which make trafficking of women and prostitution in Belarus harder and I presume the shutting down of the agencies was in some way related to that policy. I've read a lot of articles in the Belarus press warning of the dangers of being offered 'work' abroad etc. Therefore I have no problem with some of these model agencies or marriage agencies being shut down if they were suspected of being implicit in any of that. Belarus's women due to the economic situation in Belarus are more vulnerable to scams. Also (this might sound odd from someone who mongers on occasion) I don't want the place to go the way of Kiev or Moscow where escort agencies proliferate. I do have strong misgivings with the industry and It would be good if the women of Belarus were not corrupted in the same ways as many women of their eastern and southern neighbours have been. Let's keep one small piece of Europe where the women aren't prostituting themselves to foreigners. In Russia I can go to any medium sized or small town and find a pro, guaranteed, never failed. Try that in Belarus! Go to Hoiniki and find a pro, I challenge someone. That is something that should be respected, the fact despite earning 200 US a month and not being able to afford things we take for granted like meat, they keep their morals and don't just think 'f*k it, I'll go and stand on the Minsk highway waiting for a passing trucker". So if the government's policy of shutting agencies down means I can't open one then so be it.

So. Back to the drawing board.

[QUOTE=Borderland;1208472]That is something that should be respected, the fact despite earning 200 US a month and not being able to afford things we take for granted like meat, they keep their morals and don't just think 'f*k it, I'll go and stand on the Minsk highway waiting for a passing trucker".[/QUOTE]Seconded. It is tough, no doubt about it, and these women don't live well, but they do make ends meet and they do so while maintaining their morals and self-respect.

[quote=canadianboy; 1207719]thank you for the intersting and insightful reply, suka. well said! i agree with most of what you wrote. however, i stick by my statement that minsk is a 'little city', much like budapest. while they are both have respectible sized populations, they feel almost like you are living in a large village then a city. after being in minsk for one month i met so many new people and recognized so many faces i joked to my belarussian friends that if i lived in minsk for one year i would know everyone in the entire city. it is not meant as an insult but rather a compliment. minsk and budapest are two of my favorite cities in europe and belarussians are very friendly people.

it was not that i only had to choose one but i had decided i wanted a gf experience rather than numerous bodies in my bed. i was in kiev for one month in the summer of 2010 and went through a number of different women and had a good time. however, i wanted to try something different. as well, i was worried about screwing it up with ekaterina. what i mean is, when an eastern european woman sets their sights on you they are terribly jealous and protective. with minsk feeling so small i was concerned about running into her while in the presence of another woman. this happened to me in kiev and i almost lost both girls. ekaterina would have stopped seeing me on the spot and she was too hot and sexy to give up, in my opinion. we were at club dozari and as soon as she would go to the bathroom or bar for a drink women would come up and try speaking with me. ekaterina would get rather annoyed at this and not find it innocent and amusing (amusing because ekaterina was much hotter than these other women) , like i did. but i digress. i actually went to club dozari alone one saturday and had a difficult time trying to pick up a woman there as almost no one spoke english which was frustrating as these girls were eye [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] me.

i am returning to minsk in mid-april for another four weeks and will be more prepared and confident this time around as i am now comfortable in the city.[/quote]even a "big" fsu city (moscow, piter and kiev being different playgrounds) can become very small when you start serial dating. most often there is only 2/3 hyp clubs and 4/5 "in" cafes where girls go. it is actually embarrassing to go in a place with your date of the day natasha, and spot at one table, with her friends, your yesterday's conquest tatiana, and at the other corner lena, that you fucked two days ago and promessed to call back soon. (smilie)

[QUOTE=Prosal;1208667]Even a "big" FSU city (Moscow, Piter and Kiev being different playgrounds) can become VERY small when you start serial dating. Most often there is only 2/3 hyp clubs and 4/5 "in" cafes where girls go. It is actually embarrassing to go in a place with your date of the day Natasha, and spot at one table, with her friends, your yesterday's conquest Tatiana, and at the other corner Lena, that you fucked two days ago and promessed to call back soon. (smilie)[/QUOTE]That made me laugh, been in those situations a few times. It can make dates quite stressful what with you constantly thinking "damn, I hope Masha doesn't come in tonight" or if she does walk in with friends you've got to charm your new girl whilst knowing that Masha and her friends and watching you're every move and talking about you. Of course the answer would be to head to some small out of the way cafes in the suburbs but what Russian girl wants to get herself dressed up only to be told you're going to take her to a stolovaya no. 17 in the micro regions? Not many.

That's something I've noticed about FSU women: it's not the quality of the meal you take them for but the setting it's in. A few times I've discovered a great little gem of a restaurant in the suburbs, you know the type, crap outdated decor but cheap prices and awesome food. And I've thought it would be great to take a date to. But when you get there the Mashas and the Dashas are turning their nose up before they have sat down, whining about why I have taken them here instead of the new super dooper cafe in the centre (read: expensive and a place to be seen in but with average over priced food ). Snobs. I use this as my test. If the dev is cool with the cheapo place and just goes with it then I consider adding them to my 'cool devs to hang out with sometimes' list and I'll call them up sometimes to invite them out to do something like bowling or whatever. However If they whine I secretly despise their pretensions inside and go for broke on that evening knowing that I'll never bother calling them again. Snobbery and ungratefulness is a nasty quality and I don't have women like that in my life here in my home country so why would I put up with it in the FSU even if the girl is a hot young Russian dev? Too many foreign men put these devs up on a pedestal because of their undeniable beauty, and let them take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] out of them. A Russian man would NEVER EVER take that shit off of a woman over there. And that is why most Russian women will end up with a Russian man, because they know where they stand with them. They might date a foreigner, even marry him, but most will end up with a Russian in the long run despite them constantly saying that Russian men are crap.

Glad to see all the activity here. Great info on the marriage agencies Kurenda, always interesting to hear how those things are clamped down on in Belarus.

I've been to Minsk twice and didn't see any prostitution. I wasn't looking for it either but in Russia / Ukraine it's often in your face (late night phone calls at hotels, expat bars have working girls).

I'm also interested how the recent devaluation might be affecting prices (of goods and entertainment, not pros). I was in Minsk last in 2008 but it struck me as more expensive than Kiev. Any thoughts on this? I will be in the FSU in January and was planning on doing New Year's in Kiev, but I might change plans to be in Minsk instead if the devaluation really has made things cheaper. Sadly I'm on a tight budget, and I'm not looking for pros, but a good time out in clubs and meeting up with freebies found online.

That said, I really do love the smaller towns. I'd consider visiting Gomel or Vitebsk. One thing I hate about Belarus though is the hotels all charge triple the base rate for foreigners. Ukraine is much easier with regards to all these issues; I stayed in an okay hotel in March of this year (2011) in a small city in Ukraine for $12 a night.

[QUOTE=Latexian2;1208934]That said, I really do love the smaller towns. I'd consider visiting Gomel or Vitebsk. One thing I hate about Belarus though is the hotels all charge triple the base rate for foreigners. Ukraine is much easier with regards to all these issues; I stayed in an okay hotel in March of this year (2011) in a small city in Ukraine for $12 a night.[/QUOTE]Yes the three tier pricing in hotels is a total [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] take. It's one thing to let locals stay cheaply, I can kind of go with that since they earn sod all, but having CIS citizens pay a fraction of what we pay too let's us know where we stand in the eyes of the government. Museums have the same three tier pricing. Gomel and Vitebsk are cool towns to spend a few days in but the hotels are not cheap.

[QUOTE=Latexian2; 1208934]Glad to see all the activity here. Great info on the marriage agencies Kurenda, always interesting to hear how those things are clamped down on in Belarus.

I've been to Minsk twice and didn't see any prostitution. I wasn't looking for it either but in Russia / Ukraine it's often in your face (late night phone calls at hotels, expat bars have working girls).

I'm also interested how the recent devaluation might be affecting prices (of goods and entertainment, not pros). I was in Minsk last in 2008 but it struck me as more expensive than Kiev. Any thoughts on this? I will be in the FSU in January and was planning on doing New Year's in Kiev, but I might change plans to be in Minsk instead if the devaluation really has made things cheaper. Sadly I'm on a tight budget, and I'm not looking for pros, but a good time out in clubs and meeting up with freebies found online.

That said, I really do love the smaller towns. I'd consider visiting Gomel or Vitebsk. One thing I hate about Belarus though is the hotels all charge triple the base rate for foreigners. Ukraine is much easier with regards to all these issues; I stayed in an okay hotel in March of this year (2011) in a small city in Ukraine for $12 a night.[/QUOTE]Latexian,

I was in Kiev last summer and in Minsk for one month recently and now I think the prices are the same between the cities. I know taxi's are very cheap in Minsk and there are many restaurants that are the same price as in Kiev (although the quality of food in Minsk restaurants is much higher, in my opinion).

I wasn't looking for prostitutes in Minsk but I saw them often. I saw a few of them walking around the front of the new circus building near Hotel Europe and every night there is a congregation of prostitutes after 22:00 on Pobediteley Ave. Directly acrossed from the Sports Palace and in front of Yubileinaya Hotel. You can't miss them. Also, I frequented the casino at Hotel Victoria on Pobediteley and I saw what I was sure to be prostitutes hanging around the cafe near the front desk. It makes sense as it is an international. 4-star hotel. However, as I was not interested in these girls I have no idea what they charge. So, they are out there. However, you are right. It is not as in your face as in Ukraine.

[QUOTE=Borderland;1208956]Yes the three tier pricing in hotels is a total [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] take. It's one thing to let locals stay cheaply, I can kind of go with that since they earn sod all, but having CIS citizens pay a fraction of what we pay too let's us know where we stand in the eyes of the government. Museums have the same three tier pricing. Gomel and Vitebsk are cool towns to spend a few days in but the hotels are not cheap.[/QUOTE]Yes that is what I was afraid of. I stayed in Mogilev for a few days once and the hotel rate was something like $60 / night, which considering how utterly shite the hotel was I found mind boggling.

For the budget traveler Ukraine is much better in comparison, hotels (outside of Kiev) can be had for very cheap, and transportation is insanely cheap (you can cross the country for $10 on trains).

A Belarus trip overall is usually more expensive then Ukraine due to:

No budget airlines serving Minsk.

The cost of the visa.

Hotels being vastly overpriced.

However transport costs and restaurants are similar in price. Pro action can be very cheap in Minsk so if you intended to do a lot of girls then it would be worth considering the city. However IMHO Minsk is just not as much fun as Kiev. I like Minsk, but when I'm out in Kiev I usually meet more interesting people and return home with a bigger smile on my face, women there are more forward too unlike Minsk women. I'm more into freebie action and have had more success in Kiev then Minsk although I think if you spent a month or more in Minsk you would have great success if you know how to talk to women. Belarus IMHO is not a place to fly solely half way around the world for. Better go to Kiev where things are easier, but if you're already in Europe and have been to Kiev then Minsk is worth a look.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1208977]It is not as in your face as in Ukraine.[/QUOTE]I guess Latexian refered more about 'semi pros" (whatever that means) or "occasionals" chicks.

[quote=borderland;1208766]that made me laugh, been in those situations a few times. it can make dates quite stressful what with you constantly thinking "damn, i hope masha doesn't come in tonight" or if she does walk in with friends you've got to charm your new girl whilst knowing that masha and her friends and watching you're every move and talking about you.[/quote]what can leads to unwanted embarrassing situations is to date girls from the same target group, available at the same time slots, who have the same interests and who frequent the same places. my usual strategy is to try to choose girls from different social / peer groups. last time i was in tashkent (which is very much a fishbowl, and where serial dating can be a problem) , i managed to juggle with four regular gfs (plus occasional new girls) , without any problems. it was:

- dasha. 18 yo student. her parents wanted her to be home before 8pm on weekdays. she was happy with a cocktail or two in a cheap place from 5pm and then sex in my apartment, and always leaved before 7. 30pm. nice.

- lena. 27 yo single mom. available only from 10 pm till about midnight, when her daughter slept and was watched by the babushka. she used to come directly in my place for sex, no time nor wish for having a drink outside. which was a great deal.

- ksenia. 26 yo glam party girl. i used to rejoin her from about 1am (pretexting a "meeting with friends" before) in a hyp club or café to party a bit and then to fuck her. she rarely slept in my place as she had to wake up early and prepare for her job (she owned a trendy hairdressing salon).

- mila. 22 yo stripper. she would get off of work each day at 5 or 6am, smsed to see if i was available, and if i was, would go to my apartment, drink one beer or two, talk a bit, have sex, sleep till noon, and then leave. no questions asked and no materialistic expectations, save sometimes a light lunch. talk about a nice situation.

i rarely did them all within the 5pm / 6am time slot, but it happened a few times though, thanks to cialis. but that was admittedly exhausting days! (smilie)

anyhow this is a strategy i try to apply pretty much everywhere. various types of girls with different schedules and availabilities. makes life easier.

[QUOTE=Borderland;1209109]No budget airlines serving Minsk.[/QUOTE]Lufthansa has great deals within Europe by the way (book before 31/12/2011, travel between Oct 2011 and Dec 2012) , including 170€ two-ways tickets to Minsk. This is from Paris, but I guess it's the same fares from any European capital.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1210636]Lufthansa has great deals within Europe by the way (book before 31/12/2011, travel between Oct 2011 and Dec 2012) , including 170€ two-ways tickets to Minsk. This is from Paris, but I guess it's the same fares from any European capital.[/QUOTE]Wow! Did something change in terms of tickets to Minsk or regulations or something? There is also Air Baltic via Riga which is cheap and flies to Minsk, but when I last went in summer 2008 I remember intra-Europe flights to Minsk were insane, like $800 are / t to Frankfurt.

[quote=prosal; 1210571]what can leads to unwanted embarrassing situations is to date girls from the same target group, available at the same time slots, who have the same interests and who frequent the same places. my usual strategy is to try to choose girls from different social / peer groups. last time i was in tashkent (which is very much a fishbowl, and where serial dating can be a problem) , i managed to juggle with four regular gfs (plus occasional new girls) , without any problems. it was:

- dasha. 18 yo student. her parents wanted her to be home before 8pm on weekdays. she was happy with a cocktail or two in a cheap place from 5pm and then sex in my apartment, and always leaved before 7. 30pm. nice.

- lena. 27 yo single mom. available only from 10 pm till about midnight, when her daughter slept and was watched by the babushka. she used to come directly in my place for sex, no time nor wish for having a drink outside. which was a great deal.

- ksenia. 26 yo glam party girl. i used to rejoin her from about 1am (pretexting a "meeting with friends" before) in a hyp club or café to party a bit and then to fuck her. she rarely slept in my place as she had to wake up early and prepare for her job (she owned a trendy hairdressing salon).

- mila. 22 yo stripper. she would get off of work each day at 5 or 6am, smsed to see if i was available, and if i was, would go to my apartment, drink one beer or two, talk a bit, have sex, sleep till noon, and then leave. no questions asked and no materialistic expectations, save sometimes a light lunch. talk about a nice situation.

i rarely did them all within the 5pm / 6am time slot, but it happened a few times though, thanks to cialis. but that was admittedly exhausting days! (smilie)

anyhow this is a strategy i try to apply pretty much everywhere. various types of girls with different schedules and availabilities. makes life easier.[/quote]yes, it would be easier if they were just coming over to my flat for a good fuck. unfortunately, as it was my first experience in minsk and i do not speak russian, life was a bit more of a challenge for me. i recall walking along svisloch river (or whatever it is) with a very sexy woman i met off travelgirls named alexandra when i thought for sure i saw ekaterina (see my previous posts on who this is) was coming in the opposite direction towards us. i was quite relieved when i finally discovered it was not her and told myself i couldn't live like this. so, i stopped going around in public with other chicks.

i met one 19-year old studentka off of another site and after a few dinner dates and one night at dozari she agreed to come to my flat for a few hours once a week. she was a sweet, sexy studentka but she insisted on singing for me all the time (she fancied herself a singer and a model) and in truth i didn't think she had much of a voice. but her situation was the same as many there: her parents gave her enough money for school and food but nothing else. she tried to convince me to buy her an iphone 4g but i refused and when i did she told me she would never sleep with me again. however, that last for four days. i would tell her, politely, that i could find another hottie her age no problem in minsk. she would buy it and soon be sending me lovely sms's. i would promise to take her to mango on nemiga after sex and it was a great motivator for her. i did take her, of course, and made sure she had plenty of spending money. really, she was a handful as she thought she was the next super model from belarus but in truth she was far from it. a real cutie with a nice body but no super model. i am not sure if i will see her again in april when i return to minsk. now i forget why i was telling you this.

[QUOTE=Latexian2;1210815]Wow! Did something change in terms of tickets to Minsk or regulations or something? There is also Air Baltic via Riga which is cheap and flies to Minsk, but when I last went in summer 2008 I remember intra-Europe flights to Minsk were insane, like $800 are / t to Frankfurt.[/QUOTE]Air Baltic is a low-cost. Fares are admittedly attractive, but beside all the inconveniences attached to low-cost flights, the problem is that you usually have to stay overnight in Riga. Same day connections are rare. I guess this is intentional, to boost Lettonia's tourism industry.

Anyway Lufthansa has the greatest deals currently. I paid 140€ for a Paris / Kiev round-trip in September. Unbeatable.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1210840]Now I forget why I was telling you this.[/QUOTE]No problems. I understand and share your enthousiasm for Slavic women. (smilie)

Once you go Slavic you never come back.

[QUOTE=Latexian2;1210815]Wow! Did something change in terms of tickets to Minsk or regulations or something? There is also Air Baltic via Riga which is cheap and flies to Minsk, but when I last went in summer 2008 I remember intra-Europe flights to Minsk were insane, like $800 are / t to Frankfurt.[/QUOTE]Yes it's better now. You can get Heathrow-Minsk flights for £160 if you don't mind going indirect. The connection times are usually under 90 minutes too. Alternatively fly to Vilnius / Kaunus on Ryanair for £40 return and take the train from there. Check out Skyscanner. Com.

Dated a Belarus girl yesterday (successfully, the rest belongs to Hustler forum) , thanks to mamba. She is vacationing in Paris this week.

She told me that the € was 11, 800 BYR now (official rate). Time to go Belarus I guess.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1213188]She told me that the € was 11, 800 BYR now (official rate). Time to go Belarus I guess.[/QUOTE]Checked on xe dot com. She was right. Some 11 900 BYR to the € today. Holy shit. It has risen from 4000 BYR six months ago.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1213373]Checked on xe dot com. She was right. Some 11 900 BYR to the € today. Holy shit. It has risen from 4000 BYR six months ago.[/QUOTE]I believe it! When I was in Minsk in Sept-Oct 1 USD = 8400 BYR in most places for a large part of my trip. I hope it stays that way until spring when I return to FSU as Minsk is high on my list.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1213481]I believe it! When I was in Minsk in Sept-Oct 1 USD = 8400 BYR in most places for a large part of my trip. I hope it stays that way until spring when I return to FSU as Minsk is high on my list.[/QUOTE]Just for the info. Why do you ponder about hitting another place than Minsk for your next trip (beside the "pionner monger" spirit that animates some of us and that I share) if you enjoyed tremendously the destination, if the local currency is ridiculously low, and if you have already good contacts there? No controversy here, just inquirement.

Photos from the 'Miss Belarus 2011' pageant.

[url]http://englishrussia.com/2011/09/20/the-most-beautiful-in-minsk/[/url]

[QUOTE=Prosal;1214377]Just for the info. Why do you ponder about hitting another place than Minsk for your next trip (beside the "pionner monger" spirit that animates some of us and that I share) if you enjoyed tremendously the destination, if the local currency is ridiculously low, and if you have already good contacts there? No controversy here, just inquirement.[/QUOTE]That's a fair question. I was in Kyiv in summer 2010 and I made a lot of great contacts and could have easily returned this past fall and enjoyed them but instead I went to an unknown in Minsk, Belarus. Why? Adventure, challenge. I like the idea of going somewhere unknown and not being sure about how my time there will turn out and who I might meet. It is a new experience. For me, traveling to the FSU is more than just mongering but learning about a new city.

My only problem with going to Minsk (other than having to get a visa) is how shy and reserved women are there. Unlike in Ukraine, Belarussian women take a lot more time and effort to get into the sack. However, once you earn the trust of a Belarussian woman she is much more of a friend and loyal to you than a Ukrainian woman, in my experience, anyway. When I spoke to my contacts in Kyiv last summer before I had decided firmly where I was going in September, they were not eager to go out of their way to assist me in any way. Two women I met in Minsk, however, are both offering to help me find a nice flat at a much better rate than what I paid in September. All of this without my asking.

Really, Minsk is the most appealing option to me at the moment and it will be difficult for another city to supplant it. However, I recall flying back to Canada from Kyiv in 2010 and thinking the same thing about the Ukrainian capital and I have yet to return there.

Fellow members,

I travelling to Minsk in first week of December. Can someone please provide latest on where to pick up girls? Be it clubs or agencies?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Romeomailus; 1217375]Fellow members,

I travelling to Minsk in first week of December. Can someone please provide latest on where to pick up girls? Be it clubs or agencies?

Thanks[/QUOTE]My advice, having spent a month in Minsk from mid-September to mid-October, is to do what I had to do. That is, read through this forum. If you speak Russian than clubs are perfect. If not then nothing will be easy. Not a lot of people speak english in Minsk. Trust me on that one.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1217451]My advice, having spent a month in Minsk from mid-September to mid-October, is to do what I had to do. That is, read through this forum. If you speak Russian than clubs are perfect. If not then nothing will be easy. Not a lot of people speak english in Minsk. Trust me on that one.[/QUOTE]Hi.

Planning to be Minsk in December, this is going to be my 5. Th time.

&305; like minsk and spending time there.

But never used internet to meet people before, which tool is the best to chat in the internet with the belarusian girls?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Angel777; 1221200]Hi.

Planning to be Minsk in December, this is going to be my 5. Th time.

&305; like minsk and spending time there.

But never used internet to meet people before, which tool is the best to chat in the internet with the belarusian girls?

Thanks[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, I am not sure I understand what you mean by 'tool'? Are you talking about websites? If so, well, there are not many that have Belarussian girls who speak English. There is a better chance of finding a happy ending in a Dostoyevsky novel than an english speaking girl on mamba. Other websites are hit and miss. In Minsk I met a few women who spoke English in casinos and cafes but Belarussian girls are so reserved it was difficult to gauge them.

[QUOTE=Borderland; 1214398]Photos from the 'Miss Belarus 2011' pageant.

[url]http://englishrussia.com/2011/09/20/the-most-beautiful-in-minsk/[/url][/QUOTE]Some nice looking girls there! I am pleased to say the young lady I was sponsoring in Minsk was just as good looking as 75-percent of those ladies and even better looking than some. I was lucky, I guess.

[QUOTE=Angel777; 1221200]Hi.

Planning to be Minsk in December, this is going to be my 5. Th time.

&305; like minsk and spending time there.

But never used internet to meet people before, which tool is the best to chat in the internet with the belarusian girls?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Try these,

Facebook. Com is first option to find a girl knowing english.

Vkontakte. Ru 2nd option.

Rambler. Ru or mamba. Ru it is very difficult, but good selection.

Is Dankoff strip club still open? I liked that club when I was in Minsk especially Jacuzz; rooms.

Hi all,

I have been to Belarus last summer.

First, I have to say Belarusian girls are very cute and you might find the kind of physical you like.

They are independent, with a strong character, educated and most of them very well educated.

I fall in love with this country (till now I only know Minsk) , even if it is not so simple to get a visa. On the other way, because of this visa there is less crowd and I like it like that.

You can find easily a girl friend experience and, excepted if you go in a club like "Next", you won't have to pay because it is a true girl friend you will have. Me I like to invite them at restaurant, or any place, and they use to enjoy it.

Some people from this forum seems to go there quite often.

Do you think it is possible to have a job opportunity there for a West European citizen?

With a low Belarusian Ruble, you can get Belarusian products at a low price. Is there anybody who is doing export / import?

Thanks to share your experience with that country. You can send me a private message if you prefer to stay discreet.

Cheers!

I was speaking with a good friend of mine living in Minsk and she told me the current exchange rate is 1 USD = 8400 while 1 Euro = 10950 BYR. So, still a very favourable rate for westerner's carrying foreign cash into Belarus. I also spent a day or two on a few different websites speaking with women in Belarus. A lot are searching for a sponsor, of course, as the economy there continues to struggle and while the rates tend to vary they are still quite reasonable if not low. One woman I spoke with inparticular is actually a 27-year old doctor. She is a lovely burnette with a tall, lean figure and soft blue eyes. She told me she isn't satisfied with her income and wants to supplement it. She is very promising.

My plan is to return to Minsk sometime in April for another 30 day trip. Unlike my first trip where I was satisfied with supporting one beautiful studentka, I will be playing the field and trying different websites, cafes, clubs and whatnot to meet more women and report on my success and failures.

Happy New Year everyone!

Todays news about Belarus is that a new law has been passed and being effective today 6th of January. It means a lot of new restrictions regarding internet.

In short it means that foreign web pages will be banned for free internet surfing. Only. By addresses will be free unless you submit to government supervison (spying). Businesses can only be done via. By web pages. That makes Ebay and Amazon purchases and sales impossible and it might affect facebook and Gmail.

Everybody has to register and show a passport to get access to foreign web pages (not a new thing since it has been like that for at least a year) but now it is even stricter. Internet cafes must report to the government which users have accessed foreign pages. It is not clear if you need a normal passport or a government approved passport to get access to foreign internet sites.

According to the lovely nice and freedom loving Belarus government it is in order to stop access to extremist sites and pornographic sites (gee thats bad for the poeple with porno). Lukasjenka aka "Batka" tries to do something nice for the people. The real reason is of course to stop the opposition from using internet and to clip their wings.

It is not clear how this will affect us foreign mongers. For instance to access your e-mail or your internet bank. Regarding myself I used to do some business on Ebay when having a spare time in Belarus when the devushkis has gone home. As it seems Ebay will be blocked. And probably paypal as well and access to internet banks.

It is hard to say how this will affect us. But one thing is clear. It will be harder. It might not be too severe for us foreigners if it is enforced in a mild way. Or perhaps not all. If its enforced in a strict way it will make a lot of problems. Most of the restrictions is to stop internal extremists (ohhh. Those evil people who likes freedom and democracy) and journalists and not so much for us hmm "sexomaniacs", I mean tourists.

I was in Minsk last time in November and it was as usual. Foreign currencies in the banks and no more black exchange though. USD was close to 9000 but is now at 8400. As mentioned many girls are open for sponsoring now. Nothing bad that doesn't bring along anything good. However it seems that this fact has been observed and I see a tendency that prices has got slighly higher for "top girls" used to the game. Many amateurs or first time semi-pros are still more open. There is a new club that is very popular and has to be checked out. The new club is called Dozari and is in the centre quite near Max Show. It should be at Nezavisymosty Ave. Its close to where I stay in Minsk and I will go there to see what kind of club it is. It seems quite upscale though, and is many girls new favourite club in Minsk. That goes for at least the jet set girls or those who tries to be part of that.

I am off to Minsk in 2 weeks time and will of course give feedback about this new restrictions for the internet.

Cheers and Happy New hunting year! :)

/Felix

"OMG. I can't believe Mongers not rushing to Minsk. When today at Bloomberg. Com / currencies, its nearly 8000 Ruble to the US$."

Don't you guys know that pimps follow the raise and fall of currencies?

That said, paying in USD or Euro shouldn't help a bit.

It is 20, 40USD today, it will be the same tomorrow and this despite the falls of local currency.

Reading the last 4 page on your thread.

Besides, and please no offense, but you are most talking about investment, economics, politics than girls.

I am not reading any street name, girls prices.

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1234296]Todays news about Belarus is that a new law has been passed and being effective today 6th of January. It means a lot of new restrictions regarding internet.

In short it means that foreign web pages will be banned for free internet surfing. Only. By addresses will be free unless you submit to government supervison (spying). Businesses can only be done via. By web pages. That makes Ebay and Amazon purchases and sales impossible and it might affect facebook and Gmail.

Everybody has to register and show a passport to get access to foreign web pages (not a new thing since it has been like that for at least a year) but now it is even stricter. Internet cafes must report to the government which users have accessed foreign pages. It is not clear if you need a normal passport or a government approved passport to get access to foreign internet sites.

According to the lovely nice and freedom loving Belarus government it is in order to stop access to extremist sites and pornographic sites (gee thats bad for the poeple with porno). Lukasjenka aka "Batka" tries to do something nice for the people. The real reason is of course to stop the opposition from using internet and to clip their wings.

It is not clear how this will affect us foreign mongers. For instance to access your e-mail or your internet bank. Regarding myself I used to do some business on Ebay when having a spare time in Belarus when the devushkis has gone home. As it seems Ebay will be blocked. And probably paypal as well and access to internet banks.

It is hard to say how this will affect us. But one thing is clear. It will be harder. It might not be too severe for us foreigners if it is enforced in a mild way. Or perhaps not all. If its enforced in a strict way it will make a lot of problems. Most of the restrictions is to stop internal extremists (ohhh. Those evil people who likes freedom and democracy) and journalists and not so much for us hmm "sexomaniacs", I mean tourists.

I was in Minsk last time in November and it was as usual. Foreign currencies in the banks and no more black exchange though. USD was close to 9000 but is now at 8400. As mentioned many girls are open for sponsoring now. Nothing bad that doesn't bring along anything good. However it seems that this fact has been observed and I see a tendency that prices has got slighly higher for "top girls" used to the game. Many amateurs or first time semi-pros are still more open. There is a new club that is very popular and has to be checked out. The new club is called Dozari and is in the centre quite near Max Show. It should be at Nezavisymosty Ave. Its close to where I stay in Minsk and I will go there to see what kind of club it is. It seems quite upscale though, and is many girls new favourite club in Minsk. That goes for at least the jet set girls or those who tries to be part of that.

I am off to Minsk in 2 weeks time and will of course give feedback about this new restrictions for the internet.

Cheers and Happy New hunting year! .

/Felix[/QUOTE]I was at Dozari in Minsk last fall on two differnet occassions. The first time I went was with two beautiful studentka's and we had a great time together there. The second I went by myself. First of all, if you do not speak Russian it is very difficult to meet women at Dozari. Secondly, it is a nice, high end club but I don't think it is the best one in Minsk for meeting women. In fact, I am sure of this. It is better to bring a woman who cannot afford to go to such a club and show her a good time. However, that is just my impression. If you speak Russian than you will probably have success. Many girls I have spoken to in Minsk and have added me to their vkontakte have pictures of themselves at Dozari. By the way, the sexiest girls at Dozari and the one's working behind the bar on the dance floor.

I am looking at going to Belarus in April, anyone know of a good hotel in the Minsk area, close to the local scene so I can get a tourist voucher / letter? Also has anyone got their visa at the airport? I travel a lot and usually don't have the time to send off my passport when I am in the states to get visas.

[QUOTE=Haokool; 1234315]"OMG. I can't believe Mongers not rushing to Minsk. When today at Bloomberg. Com / currencies, its nearly 8000 Ruble to the US$."

Don't you guys know that pimps follow the raise and fall of currencies?

That said, paying in USD or Euro shouldn't help a bit.

It is 20, 40USD today, it will be the same tomorrow and this despite the falls of local currency.

Reading the last 4 page on your thread.

Besides, and please no offense, but you are most talking about investment, economics, politics than girls.

I am not reading any street name, girls prices.[/QUOTE]I can partly understand your oipinions but yet they are partly totally wrong or a leechers way to get info without adding anything yourself (which is ok but then you first should have read whats been posted on this forum. Have you?). This is not an insult but I suggest you re-read whats been posted in this forum and secondly read and understand this reply to you (and others, as I do get some questions in PM's)

I think its been said before, and I rewrite it, that Belarus is a country for the pioneer or a scout. It is not Bangkok or Germanys FKK scene. About these two last subjects and other well know tourist sex destinations tons have been written and a sort of a price according to quality has been established. It is for instance widely known that the standard 30 min session in a German FKK club costs 50 Euro. That does not go for Belarus as it is not on the world map for sex tourism. (ok, street girls have fixed prices as they are maffia operated. I do not use them as it is not my interest as I can get 10 times better quailty in a normal girl if I invest some time and effort. Street girls are along Nezavisymosty Ave in the night and I think prices are USD 50 for an hour, or at least it used to be that. There might be WG's in other streets as well but I don't know (used to be on Masherowska as well and it has been posted). Ask a cap driver for latest info on street girls or learn Russian and go to a Belarus / Minsk forum and learn or get to know a someone in Minsk who can give you insiders info. Most street girls are ugly but some beauties can be found, and do not be sure that they go with a foreigner like that, as many girls pros or not, are scared of foreigners. Perhaps they are more desperate today?) In fact I think that most mongers go to Belarus for free amateur girls or semi pros. Very few goes to Belarus for prostitutes as there are several better and cheaper places in the world, in Europe, in Asia or in many places where you chose to go. Some "middle east guys" might go to Belarus for hookers but they do not really use their brain as there are many other cheaper and better places for paid sex.

Regarding myself I do not go to Belarus to shag street girls (did a few 2005 but not after that. Got a super 3some with two street girls in 2005 for total USD 60 for an hour. Great fun and nice looking girls. I have posted this in the past. However that was 7 years ago!) or go to established hookers. I mostly hunt freebies and sometimes amateur semi-pros and sponsor girls. There are no fixed prices regarding this wide range of girls that wish some sort of compensation. As examples I have shagged an ex-model for USD 100 for an evening and I had sponsor girls for USD 50 for a night. I have been asked USD 200 / hour by some girls and they have obviously not been interesting to me as I try not to waste my money. Girls asking such high prices have in general not been very keen to negotiate about the price and has told me to find another. Which is of course fine with me, and with her as well. With the girls wanting compensation, ranging from gifts to straight up money or a fancy exotic trip, it is like an undefined dance. No fixed rules in this dance and it is up to you and the girl to make an arrangement that fits you both. The girl will be much more willing to lower her "sale" if she feels or sees you as a potential good man and to perhaps get some kind of future with you. If you're an asshole it will be strictly business in most cases. It pays to be nice but by this said I do not mean to be a looser or a pussy kind of man. Then you will get used. Be fair but firm. Do not treat girls in a bad way as that will help ruin foreigners rumour even further. To be an asshole is no gentelman way either, and I think that would feel wrong for any decent man. That does not mean to be folish or treat them like a princess, but in a decent way. Do not be desperate and do not hesitate to dump that semi-pro, and avoid to get fooled. Other girls which are not that spoiled can be had and the reward so much greater. All this has been written before if you bothered to read this forum and others. Thats how I started nearly 9 years ago.

You should keep in mind that this is probably the best online information, or ever written information in english, that exists about what can be expected in Belarus and how to manage with Belarus girls. Belarus if far off the beaten track and not a tourist destination at all. Anyone going to Belarus should realise this. You should read all that has been posted here and learn from it. Most of what you ask for has more or less already been written and this feels like a huge repeat to your questions. It can't get any better I guess regarding that so few peoples goes to Belarus even though it is not a dummies guide to shagging pros or amateurs. To complement the information scene you should also browse through forums like Ukraine or Russia to get a general feel. With that said I feel that Belarus is very different but yet again it is slavic women in all the cases. Some things are in common and some not. Its been said that in general Belarus girls are not so slutty as girls from Ukraine or Russia and I think there is some truth behind these words. Belarus people in general are quite humble as they are living in strictly controlled dictator country. They never had any freedom and have not really been exposed to tourism and what that brings. On the other hand, thats what is the REAL Jewel. In Belarus you find far less scamming hookers and money hungry sharks than in Ukraine, Russia or Moldova. The normal Belarus girls is not spoiled and if you treat her in a good way and show some good sides it is a good chance you find a very nice girlfriend or a good shag.

I can't tell too much about the paid scene as it is not my game. Girls in max Show have asked me for USD 100-150 for 1 hour and they are no beauties. I try to avoid the so "popular" option to go to clubs like NEXT and get the many pro girls there. If you want free normal girls you must first learn how to dance and be prepared to spend some hours of work and effort. Ask yourself what you want? Paid sex? I advise you to to Germany or Thailand! You'll get better value and more sex for the total price. If you go to Belarus for prostitutes I would say you are not an economist. You need to have more money than brains. Do you want sponsor girls? Use internet and all the sites that has already been mentioned. Spend some hours and days and you will find something. It is not that hard unless you want a playboy girl or a good GFE horny sponsor girl for a good price. Then you must be lucky, nice and charming and work for it and be willing to open the wallet. Do the job as there are no free lunches. I won't give you my girls as they have costed so much time and effort, and we have special relations even regarding my various sponsored girls. Do you want free normal girls for a good relationship? Thats my game and again all the internet sites has been mentioned. Apart from that you can visit the clubs and cafes in Minsk or much preferred in shopping malls or even in the metro, as I try to do myself. (I picked up a real beauty 8+ or 9- in the metro and dated her for nearly 10 times before I got to shag her, but what a joy when I did her! And a fun challange. With this short anectdote I want to tell that this is only an option for someone like me who often comes to belarus and can afford this. Otherwise I would not have pursued) With free girls more time effort and charm has to be invested. Again, the reward can be huge! If you can't pick up normal girls, you need to learn this as well. It is not a paid hunt in Afrika where guides will help you find the game elephant. Anyway, for such a hunt you would pay big money, unless you learn to become a hunter yourself. Thats what it is about. That comparison is a good advise I think. That does not mean that the rules in the west for picking up girls can be completely translated into the Belarus scene as the game here is different. A good word of wisdom is that it is hard to become a prophet in your own country. Well, when In Belarus, let go of that and relax and make contact. If ditched, and believe me you will be, smile and continue like a bee to the next flower. In the end you will get phone numbers and contacts. The most important feature is to dare and act a bit. If you behave like a gentleman, and adopt to the situation, you are of course interesting as a foreigner AND as man.

Real GFE sex is so much better than the often encountered robot sex from hookers. Some sponsor girls will give you perfect service as well, and some bad. As always. I have a young porn princess that does not cost me an arm or a leg and we have very good sex. She agrees on all in sex, including anal, A2M and she likes to be filmed. She is 20 and a natural acting video talant and I'm quite keen on keeping her. I posted photos of here before. She is the bottom girl in the photo with two girls playing bisexual. However I do not spoil her but treat her nice. With the risk of being selfish, I will keep her for my self. I have 3 regular girlfriends that has cost me a lot of time (we are talking about 1-2 years and 3 years in the longest case) and effort to build up working good relationships. These girls do not need any compensation, but love and a good partner in a relationship. The love part is important for me. The sex I get is wonderful and can hardly be valued in money. If so, it would cost me a lot. All 3 girls are a bit different, have different ages (22, 24 and 28) , blonde and two brunettes which makes it nice. However I am slowly falling in love with two of the girls and I think I will go serious with one of these girls in the future. It will be hard to chose, and a sad loss for the girl not chosen (and for me). These relationships means also I meet their parents etc and I'm invited for Sunday dinners and so on.

You complain about prices in USD or Euros. That will only go for the prostitutes or the advanced sponsor girls. Normal people (and girls) get their salary in Belarus Rubles. Their salaries have not increased since the crash of the Blr rouble. That means normal people are hurt big time and have to take the pinch. That makes normal girls ranging to sponsor girl of the ligher cadre more prone to money offers or sponsor offers. (these sponsor girls do in general not have any pimps, no fixed rules or prices. Again its a dance and it takes two) This has been observed by many including me. All this means that for normal people in Belarus it is close to 3 times more expensive to buy USD than before the crash. Same of course goes for imported goods or goods that can be exported for world marked prices. The people will suffer. Therefore, you are only partly correct and in some aspect totally wrong that the exchange rate does not matter. About politics and economy which I post about myself it is quite important if you want a good stay in Belarus and taking economy, security and all into the context. I think this imformation is really valid. It is a free forum with the theme of mongering, but all other relevant info that makes us more prepared and smarter is good info. Thats where you are wrong. Girls hard info is only one part, and as we have come to learn, it is not that easy as in Germany or Thailand.

With my words of own experience, I am sure others do it in another way and it works for them. I know some hunters are much better and smarter than me. I can only relate to my own experiences and they are honest. I know they works for my personality, but I also have bad luck, but also get gold medals and lots of fun. I also learn every time I go to Belarus. In my rucksack I have quite much EE experience and girl chasing there. You might find some member (or other person) to take you around as a guide hunting girls, but very few comes to Belarus on a regular basis. In Russia or Ukraine it would be easier to get guided. I have chosen to go on my own with its pros and cons. One part I really miss is a good mongerer friend in Minsk to meet and talk to. (male friendship and common hunting of girls and sharing experiences and just common talks about life. I really miss that in Belarus. I used to have that when I hunted in Moldova and in Romania and it was great fun. I remember how me and my friends teamed up a few girls)

This forum in total is VERY valuable and I have learned so much here, shared joy and met new people. However, in the end you have to gather the information, adopt and do the work. Improvise and get laid. Its all very possible, but it has to be done in real.

/Felix

[QUOTE=Expat1234;1234446]I am looking at going to Belarus in April, anyone know of a good hotel in the Minsk area, close to the local scene so I can get a tourist voucher / letter? Also has anyone got their visa at the airport? I travel a lot and usually don't have the time to send off my passport when I am in the states to get visas.[/QUOTE]Hotel depends on your Budget.

I stayed at Hotel Planeta, when I got a good rate+ voucher, and is close enough.

Taxis are cheap, agree on a price.

Here is something on Minsk nightlife& clubs.

[url]http://www.minsknightlife.net/nightclubs.htm.[/url]

Visas check with Belarus Embassy, or a reputable travel agency

I 'm on your team!

Felix, I read most of what you wrote and for the most part I could not agree more. Well said, sir. You're right, Minsk is off the beaten path and that is why I went there last fall for one month and will go again this April instead of Kiev or some city in Russia. It was for the pioneer experience and it proved a unique one at that. I was in Kiev in summer 2010 and in truth I had a wonderful time there. I met some terrific girls and people. However, I prefer Minsk. Not only is it cleaner and safer than Kiev but it has not been spoiled by western tourism. In Kiev or Budapest (where I lived for one year) one always has to be sure to ask the taxi driver how much the trip will cost to avoid being scammed. In Minsk this never happens. In fact there is a refreshing innocence to taking a taxi in Minsk. A fare from one side of the city to the other is about 3. 25 USD. Often I would give the equivalent of 4 USD in BYR and not ask for change and the driver would always look at me with a puzzled expression. Meanwhile I am thinking 'That trip would have cost me 20 USD in Canada. '

Like you, I prefer semi-pro's or to sponsor a young woman who would never go to a club and try or join the internet and demand straight up sex for money. Last fall I sponsored a studentka and she was an absolute pleasure to spend time with; tall, lean, pretty, sexy and warm. No head games. No deception. She would even come to my flat and cook dinner and wash the dishes afterwards. Meanwhile I am relaxing on the sofa with a Guinness watching sports highlights and thinking 'Why did it take me so long to come to Minsk? '

Another adept point you made was about Belarusian people. They are a different breed even compared to Russians. I certainly prefer Belarusians to Ukrainians. They are more civil and kind to each other not to mention much more trustworthy. Next time any of you happen to be in the Ukraine watch how two strangers will speak to each other – with some form of coldness. Not in Belarus. People are much warmer to each other there.

Lastly, to comment on what Haokool said, more specifically 'Besides, and please no offense, but you are most talking about investment, economics, politics than girls. ' The politics and economy of a country one is visiting for whatever reason is absolutely important! This plays into the mentality of the local people including girls, even street girls. The more the economy goes down the drain the less it costs to get a girl in Minsk. It has been my experience that one can get a girl usually considered a 7 or 8 for 100 USD for two hours in Minsk. If the economy was stronger they would not be so cheap, in my estimation.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1234463]Hotel depends on your Budget.

I stayed at Hotel Planeta, when I got a good rate+ voucher, and is close enough.

Taxis are cheap, agree on a price.

Here is something on Minsk nightlife& clubs.

[url]http://www.minsknightlife.net/nightclubs.htm.[/url]

Visas check with Belarus Embassy, or a reputable travel agency[/QUOTE]Got off the Bus at the main Bus station in Minsk, coming from vilnius lithuania, there were few Taxis waiting outside, and each one of them quoted me US$10 to take me to Hotel Planeta.

A short ride away. It would have only been a matter of few cents, if I used local transport.

Didn't have that option or the balls to try it, being my first time there.

So I was scammed for 10 bucks.

The nice girl on reception was shocked when I told her how much I was charged, and advised me to agree a price first, especially with drivers hanging outside nightclubs, Bus Stations & places where the few tourists freuent.

And that wasn't the first time that I was overcharged by a taxi driver there.

You don't get overcharged, if you order Radio Taxis.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1234463]Hotel depends on your Budget.

I stayed at Hotel Planeta, when I got a good rate+ voucher, and is close enough.

Taxis are cheap, agree on a price.

Here is something on Minsk nightlife& clubs.

[url]http://www.minsknightlife.net/nightclubs.htm.[/url]

Visas check with Belarus Embassy, or a reputable travel agency[/QUOTE]Here is a good Travel Agency for Minsk.

You get the voucher for the Visa, once you make the booking with them for the Hotel [url].http://www.select-a-room.com/hotels/belarus.[/url]

I might go back there again in May

[QUOTE=Expat1234;1234446]I am looking at going to Belarus in April, anyone know of a good hotel in the Minsk area, close to the local scene so I can get a tourist voucher / letter? Also has anyone got their visa at the airport? I travel a lot and usually don't have the time to send off my passport when I am in the states to get visas.[/QUOTE]I recommend you to get an apartment instead of a hotel. Anyway, thats how I always do it. More space, less price and less problems especially when taking a girl, or several girls to your nest. You can arrange your own party and cook some food as well. Its more like home but abroad.

Use google and type apartments Minsk and you will find several options. Tourist support document (voucher) can be had if you ask these guys:

[url]http://angelikaminsk.com/visa.shtml[/url]

I usually use their service. What they will issue even for apartments is a phoney voucher saying you will stay in this or that hotel. Use this info when filling in the visa form. (and do not forget to get registred within 5 working days. Or you are a smoked fish)

Visa at the airport is only possible if your country does not have an embassy in Belarus. Still you need the invitation (voucher) but ask to send it to the airport in Minsk.

I advice you to get a Belarus sim card asap (much cheaper to call the girls as well). That can be done in the shops selling mobiles. Just ask. It is advicable to know at least a few phrases in Russian. Or take a chance and get lucky (but you might get very frustrated). That only goes for hotels and advanced shops though unless you are lucky. Dial 135 for a good taxi company (with Belarus sim card). You need to speak some Russian though. If you have not got a local sim card yet, ask in a hotel if they can help you with a taxi. As a newcomer to Belarus, expect to be overerly charged. Again to know some Russian is essential. If you arrive at the airport in Minsk take the Marshrutka (minibus) to Minsk. It costs around USD 1 compared to USD 30 that is a normal asking price for a taxi. I usually tell the driver to stop at the first metro and from there I take the metro. (tell the driver. Pashalsta stop pirvim metro and keep your eyes open. But he will stop). To make it less complicated but more expensive, most travel agencies (where you can get you invitation voucher) offers airport pick ups. Usually at around USD 30-40. At least that way you know you make it to the town. I only use my apartment agency if I am short of time or airplane lands at a very bad time. Otherwise I prefer to save money and take the minibus.

Canadianboy;

Thanks for the info about Dozari. I will go there any way I think. I'm still a bit of explorer. Even if have been around 25 times in belarus.

Cheers.

/Felix

Thank you all for the good info here, especially on visa and apartments. I was in Minsk once before, and enjoyed the place. Minsk can come across as place that is hard to penetrate when reading these pages, but I felt that females everywhere where very open and inviting. All the advice about acting like a gentleman is of course relevant. Pigs attract pigs, anywhere on the globe. If you want good girl, you must behave good, even in Pattaya (good is however always relevant). As suggested, you just have to go there and do the work. There are shortcuts in for example getting referrals, but you rarely ever get them except from very good monger friends, and if you do, they are most often left overs for some reason, anyway. Humans are greedy, envious and have a hard time to trust each other.

Referrals from local females are easier than from mongers normally, as long as both the girls see some form value in the transaction (not only financial value counts here). So here is a question for the veterans in Belarus; how are the girls in this country when it comes to referring a friend? The broker role is a great facilitator in getting prime punani in for example Asia. I am not talking hookers here but all from aunties with heavy e-cups to teenage virgins, that all where available, once Barba proved for ten minutes that he was a decent guy.

It can even be a door opener, or should we say panty opener, to the one you ask. It takes off the edge, and you get to say what you like to find, without putting her on the spot.

"My pretty friend, could you refer me to a blond innocent student girl, with natural the cups and an interest in Schopenhauer, who are willing to invest a day and a night to get to know a foreign guy that just arrived to this city?"

"Giggle giggle, but that is me you describe. Giggle giggle. I would be happy to take you around and I love shopping."

And the door is wide open.

For me it was quite easy to get contact with friendly females of both the professional and the innocent kind in Minsk. Stayed in Hotel Victoria (the hookers there where horrible) and walked down the big street to what was suggested to be 'West World Club' by CanadianBoy in a PM (thank you for helping my failing memory). Many very attractive females, and just about all seemed to be on the job in some form. I met one friendly guy from London (D if you see this, send my a ping here) that goes to Minsk regularly, and he introduced me to another disco (yes I still call them disco) that was more or less packed with serious looking but approachable females. The best night in Minsk ended in some social club in the high rises somewhere, where we danced and drank until the sun welcomed us to a new day. I am normally a moderate drinker, but these days in Minsk I managed to strike out all days on the grand finale, due to to much Russian caviar and vodka by the half kilo. Crazy and fun days, that I remember with a smile, even though I deeply regret not getting back with that promised drink to the slim student with hair to her waist, and deep brown friendly eyes. A dold fish's attention span that night.

I liked Minsk a lot and will go back in a couple of months for some days of work and play. Have some loose plans to hit some other provincial pearl at that time as well, so I better start on improving my Russian by a few million percentages.

All the best from Barba!

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1234843]Got off the Bus at the main Bus station in Minsk, coming from vilnius lithuania, there were few Taxis waiting outside, and each one of them quoted me US$10 to take me to Hotel Planeta.

A short ride away. It would have only been a matter of few cents, if I used local transport.

Didn't have that option or the balls to try it, being my first time there.

So I was scammed for 10 bucks.

The nice girl on reception was shocked when I told her how much I was charged, and advised me to agree a price first, especially with drivers hanging outside nightclubs, Bus Stations & places where the few tourists freuent.

And that wasn't the first time that I was overcharged by a taxi driver there.

You don't get overcharged, if you order Radio Taxis.[/QUOTE]For international Travel, I also rely on my 4. Bibles.

Lonely Planet, Tripadvisor. Com, virtualtourist. Com and inyourpocket. Com.

Reading about Tourist Traps section on the Minsk Forum in virtualtourist. Com, it seems that I wasn't the only one who got overcharged by dishonest taxi drivers there, and that there is more than one operating there.

[url]http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Belarus/Tourist_Traps-Belarus-TG-C-1.html.[/url]

The member explains that (Some Taxi Drivers try 2 cheat foreign Tourists, by 3 possible ways.

1. Nightprice at Day time.

2Fast Taxi meters.

3High Price& no Taxi Meter.

He Further advises, always negotiate a price before you get in.

Take official Taxi.).

Having said that, taxi fares even if you get overcharged, is not worth getting overheated over it, when compared how much it costs in western countries.

Just put down 2 experience

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1235886]For international Travel, I also rely on my 4. Bibles.

Lonely Planet, Tripadvisor. Com, virtualtourist. Com and inyourpocket. Com.

Reading about Tourist Traps section on the Minsk Forum in virtualtourist. Com, it seems that I wasn't the only one who got overcharged by dishonest taxi drivers there, and that there is more than one operating there.

[url]http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Belarus/Tourist_Traps-Belarus-TG-C-1.html.[/url]

The member explains that (Some Taxi Drivers try 2 cheat foreign Tourists, by 3 possible ways.

1. Nightprice at Day time.

2Fast Taxi meters.

3High Price& no Taxi Meter.

He Further advises, always negotiate a price before you get in.

Take official Taxi.).

Having said that, taxi fares even if you get overcharged, is not worth getting overheated over it, when compared how much it costs in western countries.

Just put down 2 experience[/QUOTE]More experiences From virtualtourist. Com on Taxi Drivers.

Ns, Belgrade, Bucharest, Kaunas, Kiev, Krakow, Minsk, Moscow, Prague, Riga, Rome, Sofia, Warsaw, Zagreb.

Something all of these places have in common is no shortage of taxi drivers who see it as a divine right to rip off tourists. In Bucharest, Minsk and Moscow in particular it is utterly outrageous and if there is an honest taxi driver anywhere in these cities then I am yet to find them.

Some thing else each of these cities have in common is a well developed public transport system based on any of metro / tram / trolley bus. The public transport systems are simple, efficient, quick and inexpensive and provide a welcome alternative to the inevitable taxi driver rip off.

Read more: [url]http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Belarus/Minsk-340356/Transportation-Minsk-TG-C-1.html#ixzz1j6X6bKs3[/url]

Has anybody figured out a way to be able to spend longer then 90 days a year in the country? Even long term visitor and business visas doesn't seem to allow it. The only visa that does not categorically state that you can only stay a maximum of 90 days in a year is the 'Short term visa for permanent residence', anybody have any idea about getting residency or this particular visa? I was thinking a possible way might be to go for 90 days, return home 'lose your passport' and apply for a new one and get a new 90 day visa but surely even if you applied for a visa in another country the government data base would flag you up and you're application would be refused. Any ideas?

[QUOTE=Expat1234;1234446]I am looking at going to Belarus in April, anyone know of a good hotel in the Minsk area, close to the local scene so I can get a tourist voucher / letter? Also has anyone got their visa at the airport? I travel a lot and usually don't have the time to send off my passport when I am in the states to get visas.[/QUOTE]If you really travelled that much, you would have had a second passport by now. Good for only 2 years though. Apply through visahq. Com. And while you're at it, have them fill it up with the visas you'll need for the next trip. I try to use mine to keep the yellow fever and african countries on the second passport. Simplifies things.

[QUOTE=Expat1234;1234446]Also has anyone got their visa at the airport?[/QUOTE]Done it a couple of times but not for a couple of years. The facts as they were are that it was more expensive doing it at the airport and they only accepted USD. I arrived without USD and had a guard escort me through the airport to the bank upstairs and then back. Both times there was a long queue at the visa desk and one guy serving which took about 90 minutes for me to be served so try to get off the plane first or you'll be wasting time that would be better spent in town. Make sure you have the correct support documents to support the application. A couple of guys didn't and had to book a very expensive hotel for the duration of their stay to get their visa.

As for your other question about hotel. Planeta was a good option a few years back. It's a 10 minute walk into town from there along the river bank. I managed to bring girls back without trouble in the daytime. However you would be better off with an apartment tbh. Plenty of agencies on the web offer them and the visa support documents.

[QUOTE=Borderland; 1246338]Done it a couple of times but not for a couple of years. The facts as they were are that it was more expensive doing it at the airport and they only accepted USD. I arrived without USD and had a guard escort me through the airport to the bank upstairs and then back. Both times there was a long queue at the visa desk and one guy serving which took about 90 minutes for me to be served so try to get off the plane first or you'll be wasting time that would be better spent in town. Make sure you have the correct support documents to support the application. A couple of guys didn't and had to book a very expensive hotel for the duration of their stay to get their visa.

As for your other question about hotel. Planeta was a good option a few years back. It's a 10 minute walk into town from there along the river bank. I managed to bring girls back without trouble in the daytime. However you would be better off with an apartment tbh. Plenty of agencies on the web offer them and the visa support documents.[/QUOTE]As usual, Borderland is correct. It is a much better idea to rent a flat in Minsk then to stay at a hotel. They will not only help you with getting a visa and offer an airport pick-up, but it is a much cheaper alternative then staying at a hotel. Well, that is, if you are staying longer than a few days. Send me a PM if you need a trustowrthy contact for an apartment as I have one.

As for a visa, I got one at the airport during my last visit and there were no problems. However, the queue was long and I waited for an hour at least. Make sure you have crisp USD or Euro's with you. When I was there a British guy had crumpled up USD and they refused them. I had to help him out, poor chap.

[QUOTE=Borderland;1246232]Any ideas?[/QUOTE]I was also trying to figure out this. Basically yes, you can get a temporary or a permanent residence permit.

A temporary permit up to one year if:

-student.

-ownership of residential premises

-granted temporary refugee status (that's why right now you will find many ex Ghadaffi loyalists)

-receive medical care in a hospital.

-close relatives of citizens of Belarus.

-for certain occupations (e. G. Diplomats)

A permanent residence permit if:

- granted permanent refugee status.

- have lived legally in Belarus the last seven years or more;

- workers and specialists are needed by Belorussian organisations;

- possess exceptional abilities and talents, or have outstanding service to the Republic of Belarus, the highest achievement in science, technology, culture and sports;

- are foreign investors who invest a minimum of one hundred and fifty thousand Euro

[QUOTE=East Explorer; 1246364]I was also trying to figure out this. Basically yes, you can get a temporary or a permanent residence permit.

A temporary permit up to one year if:

-student.

-ownership of residential premises

-granted temporary refugee status (that's why right now you will find many ex Ghadaffi loyalists)

-receive medical care in a hospital.

-close relatives of citizens of Belarus.

-for certain occupations (e. G. Diplomats)

A permanent residence permit if:

- granted permanent refugee status.

- have lived legally in Belarus the last seven years or more;

- workers and specialists are needed by Belorussian organisations;

- possess exceptional abilities and talents, or have outstanding service to the Republic of Belarus, the highest achievement in science, technology, culture and sports;

- are foreign investors who invest a minimum of one hundred and fifty thousand Euro[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info EE.

So it seems getting a student visa would be the best option. Sign up for a Russian course, I'm sure you could pay extra so that you did not have to attend classes if you did not want to. I think that's a good idea to study Russian anyway: in six months you'd be well on your way to semi fluency which would reap huge benefits in future travels and you'd meet on a daily basis a huge amount of female students. If you enrolled in a preparatory course in a town like Gomel you'd clean up. Most foreign students in Gomel / Vitsebsk universities are there because they can't afford better options and hence are from third world countries, so a more mature Westerner with a little more money to play with and more experience with women would have the time of his life, especially if you had a car with you.

As for owning property: it's virtually impossible for foreigners except if you're Russian. The Belarus property market is also vastly over priced. Apartments in Minsk or even smaller towns sell for more then they do in EU capitol cities such as Budapest or Sofia. And since rents are low you can't make a decent return (I investigated the idea a while back ). There is a plan I've had for a while though: You can buy country cottages (Izba) for $1000 US if they are far enough away from Minsk. You'd have to put it into a local friend's name but if you then spent another couple of thousand dollars you'd have a fully 'remonted' country cottage in a beautiful part of the countryside which you could use as a place to bring your conquests to for weekend parties. In the summer especially it would be a lot of fun with local lakes and rivers to swim in and fish and a steady stream of university students looking to escape the monotony of life on the local Kolkhoz on their days off. You could give English lessons in return for Russian ones and soon get your language skills up to scratch. Just a little dream of mine.

Thanks to Border Land & East Explorer for the info posted.

Yes Minsk &Belarus in general hold some potential, if looking for long term returns.

Found this link, which shows some actual figures on various costs & prices, including rents & real Estate.

[url]http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Belarus.[/url]

Minsk must have been on the mony laundering &investment trail of a lot of Unsavoury Characters from the Middle East including Israel, as well as I am sure some honest folk, who are just trying to start a new life in a European country, even if it is Belarus.

When I was there, I was told, that a lot of the Hotels, casinos new apatment blocks were foreign owned.

When the problems in that part of the world started, a lot of cash was withdrawn from the banking system, causing the free fall of the be rouble.

I read, that even the the present Foreign Minister of Israel (Avigador Liberman, born in Moldova, and immegrated to Israel in 1986, and worked for a while as a Night club bouncer there) , loves holidaying in Belarus. So much, that he invested some money there.

For this, he is under investigation in Israel for money Laundering.

[QUOTE=East Explorer; 1246364]I was also trying to figure out this. Basically yes, you can get a temporary or a permanent residence permit.

A temporary permit up to one year if:

-student.

-ownership of residential premises

-granted temporary refugee status (that's why right now you will find many ex Ghadaffi loyalists)

-receive medical care in a hospital.

-close relatives of citizens of Belarus.

-for certain occupations (e. G. Diplomats)

A permanent residence permit if:

- granted permanent refugee status.

- have lived legally in Belarus the last seven years or more;

- workers and specialists are needed by Belorussian organisations;

- possess exceptional abilities and talents, or have outstanding service to the Republic of Belarus, the highest achievement in science, technology, culture and sports;

- are foreign investors who invest a minimum of one hundred and fifty thousand Euro[/QUOTE].

Some info on Visas & other info.

[url]http://www.belarus.by/en/travel/travel-visas[/url]

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1246672]Thanks to Border Land & East Explorer for the info posted.

Yes Minsk &Belarus in general hold some potential, if looking for long term returns.

Found this link, which shows some actual figures on various costs & prices, including rents & real Estate.

[url]http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Belarus.[/url]

Minsk must have been on the mony laundering &investment trail of a lot of Unsavoury Characters from the Middle East including Israel, as well as I am sure some honest folk, who are just trying to start a new life in a European country, even if it is Belarus.

When I was there, I was told, that a lot of the Hotels, casinos new apatment blocks were foreign owned.

When the problems in that part of the world started, a lot of cash was withdrawn from the banking system, causing the free fall of the be rouble.

I read, that even the the present Foreign Minister of Israel (Avigador Liberman, born in Moldova, and immegrated to Israel in 1986, and worked for a while as a Night club bouncer there) , loves holidaying in Belarus. So much, that he invested some money there.

For this, he is under investigation in Israel for money Laundering.[/QUOTE]It should come up on this link, under Belarus.

[url]www.numbeo.com[/url]

[QUOTE=Borderland; 1246541]Thanks for the info EE.

As for owning property: it's virtually impossible for foreigners except if you're Russian. The Belarus property market is also vastly over priced. Apartments in Minsk or even smaller towns sell for more then they do in EU capitol cities such as Budapest or Sofia. And since rents are low you can't make a decent return (I investigated the idea a while back ). There is a plan I've had for a while though: You can buy country cottages (Izba) for $1000 US if they are far enough away from Minsk. You'd have to put it into a local friend's name but if you then spent another couple of thousand dollars you'd have a fully 'remonted' country cottage in a beautiful part of the countryside which you could use as a place to bring your conquests to for weekend parties. In the summer especially it would be a lot of fun with local lakes and rivers to swim in and fish and a steady stream of university students looking to escape the monotony of life on the local Kolkhoz on their days off. You could give English lessons in return for Russian ones and soon get your language skills up to scratch. Just a little dream of mine.[/QUOTE].

Bumping this thread a bit, before it goes quiet again.

According to this, any Foreigner from any country, can buy property in Belarus.

[url]http://www.prlog.org/11756966-buying-houses-in-minsk-belarus-for-foreigners.html.[/url]

And this is dated late Dec. 2011.

But this (Izba) country cottage seems to be very cheap.

Would be great for summer parties, even taking a girl there from outside Belarus.

[QUOTE=Borderland; 1246541]Thanks for the info EE.

So it seems getting a student visa would be the best option. Sign up for a Russian course, I'm sure you could pay extra so that you did not have to attend classes if you did not want to. I think that's a good idea to study Russian anyway: in six months you'd be well on your way to semi fluency which would reap huge benefits in future travels and you'd meet on a daily basis a huge amount of female students. If you enrolled in a preparatory course in a town like Gomel you'd clean up. Most foreign students in Gomel / Vitsebsk universities are there because they can't afford better options and hence are from third world countries, so a more mature Westerner with a little more money to play with and more experience with women would have the time of his life, especially if you had a car with you.

As for owning property: it's virtually impossible for foreigners except if you're Russian. The Belarus property market is also vastly over priced. Apartments in Minsk or even smaller towns sell for more then they do in EU capitol cities such as Budapest or Sofia. And since rents are low you can't make a decent return (I investigated the idea a while back ). There is a plan I've had for a while though: You can buy country cottages (Izba) for $1000 US if they are far enough away from Minsk. You'd have to put it into a local friend's name but if you then spent another couple of thousand dollars you'd have a fully 'remonted' country cottage in a beautiful part of the countryside which you could use as a place to bring your conquests to for weekend parties. In the summer especially it would be a lot of fun with local lakes and rivers to swim in and fish and a steady stream of university students looking to escape the monotony of life on the local Kolkhoz on their days off. You could give English lessons in return for Russian ones and soon get your language skills up to scratch. Just a little dream of mine.[/QUOTE]More info on apartments in Minsk & Belarus.

[url]http://www.apartmentinminsk.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=62:flat-sale-buy&catid=31:general&Itemid=46.About[/url] US$1300 / sq m in Minsk, and US$ 600/900 in other cities, like Gomel, Brest etc.

Which seems quite reasonable.

I like Minsk probably because I don t have to live the real Belorussian reality and stay in the vicinity of foreigners and comfortable enviroment. If you consider this, Next is a nice place. Had been there on two consecutive days and enjoyed myself very much. Entrance is BYR 5o. Ooo or € 5 or $ 7. You have to pay it at a cashiers box in the groundfloor. You get there if you enter through the Hotel Crown Plaza entrance and go behind the lobby bar or there is also an independend entrance from the street. You take the lift to the 3rd floor and you will be there. Face control is moderate, but everyone dress up nicely.

The place gets packed around midnight, also on tuesdays and wednesdays and the party starts. A significant group of Turkish or Arabian looking men, but no problems whatsoever and I don t understand some comments in other posts regarding this. People told me the owner of the Hotel is a Turk.

It is not so easy to realize, which of the ladies is a pro, a semi pro or a normal guest. Take your time and a drink and watch the ongoing behaviour and you will find out. I had the luck of getting picked up by two friends and shared them over the two days. Two normal girls and I am not George Clooney. What I can tell you is that the going rate is around $ 200 and the amount of beauty in this place is wonderful. Even if you go home alone, you will have a nice evening. I have seen those clubs, where people dance and party only in the former CIS. The average age of the people is between mid twenties and early thirties. I am a end fourty and didn t felt strange.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1248421]More info on apartments in Minsk & Belarus.

[url]http://www.apartmentinminsk.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=62:flat-sale-buy&catid=31:general&Itemid=46.About[/url]

US$1300 / sq m in Minsk, and US$ 600/900 in other cities, like Gomel, Brest etc.

Which seems quite reasonable.[/QUOTE]Hey Jojosun,

Good find with the last link you posted. They say they have long term lets for $350 a month in Minsk, however I don't know if they would consider 1 month as long term or if you would need to commit to renting it for six months / a year. Out of interest how much are people on this forum paying for apartment rental in Minsk on average? Most agencies catering to foreigners are usually advertising their lets by the night and charging about $60. That would mean (without bargaining) you'd be paying about $1800 per month which I'm presuming nobody is foolish enough to do. I'd be happy to pay $500 US for a month for a decently located one bed apartment and with bills included. Doable?

[QUOTE=Borderland; 1250715]Hey Jojosun,

Good find with the last link you posted. They say they have long term lets for $350 a month in Minsk, however I don't know if they would consider 1 month as long term or if you would need to commit to renting it for six months / a year. Out of interest how much are people on this forum paying for apartment rental in Minsk on average? Most agencies catering to foreigners are usually advertising their lets by the night and charging about $60. That would mean (without bargaining) you'd be paying about $1800 per month which I'm presuming nobody is foolish enough to do. I'd be happy to pay $500 US for a month for a decently located one bed apartment and with bills included. Doable?[/QUOTE]You could take it on a long term basis & have one or 2 girls to share it with you.

Great way to meet girls in Minsk & share most of the expenses & fun + networking.

But that means you need to keep going back to Minsk?

first of all, those who have realized that an apartment is far better value and more privacy and totally girl friendly, than hotels are totally correct. i have discovered this 7. 8 years ago and always use an apartment unless i'm on a payed work trip.

i also agree that it is good link posted (thanks jojosun!) with the info to buy apartments and they also have a link to short term rentals (from usd 65 to way over a 100 bucks a night). i see some fresh modern looking apartments there at great locations but then you have to be ready to pay around usd 70 a night. my apartment (my usual rent for the last 3 years) is at usd 60 a night. its a two room apartment at metro jakoba kolosa with a big kitchen, big bathroom with a big bath tub (no problems to fit me in and a girl. and i'm a bit of a big guy). many of the apartments in the below link are more modern and fresher (at least from the photos provided)

i get my apartment for lower price as i am a regular guy, and at other web sites i have seen it for usd 75 a night. one big plus with the apartments in the link is wifi and internet. my apartment lacks that. (i will try to get that for next time in april)

to buy an apartment in minsk, and it seams easy in the link, could actually be much more complicated than one thinks. taking my belarus experiences in the past into the context this is my gut feeling. actually they write lower on the page that it does take quite a bit of paper work and could take long time. be aware. apart from that you still have a very unsecure political situation for the future. new laws are passed on in this secret country and they come sudden and can mean anything from irritating things to major problems, but are selldom of the positive kind.

about long term rentals for apartments they also have prices which ranges from usd 1500 a month (top center apartments) down to usd 450 a month for a basic apartment (more soviet style and 20 mins off centre. probably by metro or bus). now, these prices are only if you are on a 12 month contract. that leaves them out of range for those who wish a month or two, provided the visa problem is solved (unless you are great at bargaining). great idea btw to register as a student. i never thought about that. has to be investegated further. i am really sick of all the visa sh-te!

i returned from minsk two weeks ago and will give a bit of an update, as promised. the news about internet restrictions are still not so problematic or not at all. i had no problems at all accessing the web pages i wanted, even for business. i asked in an internet cafe and they said it was only used to block "extremists sites" (lol i didn't try any porno sites though)

belarus got hit by some very cold weeks and during my last week day time temperature was not warmer than. 20 c. quite a struggle to walk in the streets for more than 30 mins. in the night it fell to. 25 to. 30. i even got some frost bites on my ears. i felt such a pity for the street girls working outdoors in these cold wether when i passed by in a warm taxi.

still the crisis has belarus in its grip and work and money is in big need. that does indeed open up for a cadre of girls who needs cash and find the way of a sponsor to be a passable solution. i felt that very much in some internet contacts with some girls. i was lucky to find a real gem, a model (not elite though) who needed a nice man to sponsor her. she was the prime luxury of my trip (apart from two of my sweetheart girls, and one of them i am really falling in love with. please forgive me as i am only a man) my new model sponsored girl is 23 and easily ranks 9 on my scale. she has long straight dark brown hair that reaches down to the bottom of her tits (well whats there anyway.). at 174 cm and 50 kg she has the perfect model slim "skinny" body and a very beautiful face to match that. only downside was small tits (almost flat. almost). she easily passed the two finger test, which means that when she stands with her legs together you should be able to fit two of your fingers on her pussy in the separation between her legs. i'm an ass loving guy (and pussy) and often watch girls in the streets and comments to myself, yeah she pass the two finger test or nops. she does not. this candidate passed the test without any problems. i meet her 3 times during my 17 day stay and we had great sessions. she stayed for 2. 3 hours every time and after less than an hour we were engaged in nice hot sex. first time was with condom and i told her that next time i want to do her in the natural style and she said she liked that. second time it was just heaven and we had a very nice time. we started out with nice sensual kissing that ended in me caressing all of her skinny body until we were positioned in a 69. her pussy was scent free and the sight of her skinny ass was just tremedeous! what a kick! after that i rotated her (no problems with her skinny body and no weight) he started on top of me (which i like. as first position. when i know i am all hard. and can totally relax and fucus to enjoy and let her do the work that i love btw as well.) she squatted (not sat down as in normal cow girl) on me and rode me in a good and hard way and she did like to go down in the deep way in the squat in order for my dick to reach the upper end of her vagina. that is so erotic when you can go so deep in a girl that your head of your dick reaches her deep bottom of her pussy! it stimulated my "dick" in the most possible way for every move up and down in her squatting position and we continued for some time and she worked harder and harder. i thought to myself as i saw this beauty on top of me, that heaven can't be much closer.

then we swapped and by her own will she positioned her in doggy style on my bed. the sight of her skinny perfect arse and spread legs, and her toned slim waist for me to grab as i entered her from behind is a sight to remember. i had worked hard to find her as the jewel in a sea of ordinary cats and i enjoyed every stroke, touch and breath as i pounded away harder and ever faster. it was a such a feast for my eyes and my body was responding accordingly. it is such a boost and a kick to shag a true beauty as my new model "skinny" (skinny is really what she was) sponsorette and feeling her pink inner secret pleasures in the natural way. reaching close to climax i pulled out of her and rotated her and had barely time for a few strokes with my clutching hand around my hard, close to bursting rod, when it was met by warm lips and eager toungue ready to get my semen. and i exploded. right in to her hungry mouth. she sucked like a champ and kept her lips tight around my dick. it all stayed inside her mouth and not a drop was spilled. (unfortunately as it is very sexy with swallowing. but at this stage i was close to nirvana and couldn't be bothered for a second with that) a lot of tensions released in my head and i thought, what a girl, what a good girl. i was exhausted and so close to heaven and she looked up at me an nodded slightly to me as i smiled and moaned. when she realised that i was drained of my love juice she gently let my dick out of her mouth with closing lips and she looked at me again with her beautiful eyes and moved to the other side of the bed and with a happy energetic jogging style ran off to the bathroom to spit it out. my arms reached out and i put my hands at the back of my head and held my hair. and thought. wooow.

after a quick shower she came out wrapped in a towel and she smiled to me. the perv in my just woke up from the sexually satisfied mans brain and i told her i wanted a photo of her to remember this beautiful meeting. and she told me in a bit sharp and clear way, no photos! perhaps when we get to know each other in a better way. she explained to me that trust is very important to her, it is the most vital ingredient in a relationship. i told her i understand, but provocated her in a teasing way and told her that this is her plan of making me long of her in a way that will hurt me. unless i get some nice photos to remember her. and she smiled and said that she do not like photos. i laughed a bit and said, hey. come on. you are a photo model what is the problem. are you shy? she said that only if i promise her that the photos are only for me. again she asked me if she can really trust me and i said that you can trust me. these photos are for my eyes only. she slipped the towel and quickly got in the underwear, her panties and bra. i was honoured with taking a few underwear photos and she posed with an ease and suggested poses. like a model. i got 4 pics as a memory and the last one of her very nice skinny arse. i gave her great compliments about here beautiful perfect "popa" and made some jokes and smiled. i said, what a dream to enjoy your perfect "popa". actually i like that very much. she looked at me in a teasing way and told me; maybe next time if i can trust you and if you are a nice man (in her russian accent english). i replied, well honey, of course. i think you feel that i am a nice man. so next time it is "popa" time. and she replied; maybe yes!

dreams come true, and the next and my last meeting with her during my trip i was honoured with taking her anal in the end of a hot bath. it proved to be just as perfect as i have wished for and a heaven to have this slim beauty bend over for you in the bath tub and giving access granted to enter her rear end of femininity. it started with a hot bath (again, good to have an apartment with a big bath) , two glasses of wine and three candles put on the edges of the big bath tub. we both agreed that a warm bath is so nice and relaxing and romantic during these cold winter days. we slowly kissed in the hot bath but her kisses got wilder and wilder as she is is not really a slow romantic kisser. my hands felt all of her body and caressed her ass a bit extra as i knew what was on the erotic meny. i then changed position and rubbed her up with a nice massage in the warm water. she relaxed and told me how nice this is and that she thinks i am a very nice man. i said to her; thank you! and told you that a true young wonderful and beautiful lady like you gives me the correct inspiration! i realised it did not sound too well and filled in that it is my personality to be nice to people because i believe in that you should treat others in the same way you wish to be treated yourself. we kissed again and i moved her on top of me and she let me enter her. as she moved up and down small waves and splashes occured in the bath. i moved her to doggy style and continued to move in and out of her pussy until is was like hard pounding. then i slowed down and gently pulled out of her. she pouted with her skinny arse on all four, climbing a bit on the edge of the big bath as she knew what was comming. i went down and placed both hands on her butt cheeks and spread them apart and went down to kiss her butt cheeks and then proceeded down to kiss her anus. i actually like this very much but only on a really hot and fresh girl. my tongue slided up and down her wet butt hole and my anal licking went more intensive and i then forced my tongue to enter her anus and it barely did. i told her to relax darling and she said in poor english, i try! and my tongue continued to work and circled around her butt hole and could by slight force made her rear relaxed and ready. my head was focused and i though that i better prepare her in the best way for anal sex. i gently let my finger massage her anus and the slowly pushed it it. i asked her it if was ok and she said "yes" and tried to turn her head around and look at me. i continued for a minute to finger fuck her arse and then decided that it is time for the real deal. again, what a sight to see her pouty and skinny ass at my disposal and ready to get penetrated. i did enjoy that sight for a few seconds. i gently placed the head of dick in her anal and by very gentle force made it clear to her that permission to enter her arse was being enforced. she relaxed a bit and let me slowly enter into her dark hole. i stopped half way to feel her vibes and slowly started to move in and out. my hands held her skinny slim waist and i thought that if i was a basketball player i probably could have reached around her waist. thoughts quickly disappeared as i got really erotic from this and became a bit more daring and hot and pushed my dick further inside her arse. in it went slowly and my hands around her waist felt the vibes that is was all ok and she did not make any protests at all. just great, super! as a start i slowly started to make full strokes and continued to go faster as well until i can claim that this is real full anal hot shag. it was so tight but soon became quite relaxed and she even gave slight moans. for me it was an erotical dream! i was actually, in real life, shagging one of the most beautiful girls in my life and in her ass! what a thrill! life! every moment was a dream and i poked her arse faster and faster but not super hard because i felt i had to treat this dream girl in a respectful and gentle mannor. and not to give bad impressions and scare her away. but still to let my male mind and body enjoy as much as possible! after 5. 10 minutes of anal sex she freezed and i understood something was not ok and i asked her. she told me that it has started to hurt a bit and i gently pulled out. i washed my dick carefully and told her to get into doggy position again and this time i gave her pussy full energy and speed and after a few minutes i was ready to get milked. and i pulled out fast and as she knew what was comming she turned around and the water splashed and i jerked off in her mouth. i was moaning and let all what i got semen wise to enter her mouth. yes! ohh, so nice. as the bath was hot i was feeling a bit over heated due to exhaust and too much sport i was actually releived that as soon as she has got her mouth full of sperma she carefully but quickly climbed out of the bath and spitted it all out in the zink. my legs was shaking and i slided down into the warm water with a moan and a sigh. completely satisfied and happy as a man. i looked at her arse pointed at me as she bent over to tap up some water in her hands and sip into her mouth and only to spit out again. i thought to myself and looked at her "popa"; i've done that arse in natural style! well done to myself!

sorry gents, but i felt like writing a bit about my real experiences. i got carreied away here. apart from this true gem model girl my porn princess (as descriped and pictured before) was really eager to make her life better and even brought her girlfriend along for 3 nice porno video sessions. two girls at the same time for private video sessions, full sex as my sponsored girls. they claimed to be bisexual but in real was only very light. some kissing and touching each other and kissing each others breasts, but thats allmost all. during one session i got girl sveta to kiss the other girls pussy and actually also to lick it. some success there, but hard. that is perhaps a story for another time. again for all those who wish to find these kind of girls, sponsored or not, time and effort and as well as a bit of luck is needed. i have done my fair share of work. no understatements what so ever. i actually think i deserve what i harvest. not intented to brag or to make any one think i'm brad pitt or a super here anything. just what "might" come after hard work for a perv like me. i'm just a normal man who have learned during the years and have a goal to shag some really sex girls. really, i have spent a lot of time finding what i want. it does not come without hard work and skills and a bit of a luck unless you're just that sob lucky person! i think few of us are that lucky, and that is why hard work is the only way. and use your brain. the persistent and smart hunter will in the end be rewarded. the devil never shits twice in the same place so keep on working is my motto!

a girl i used to be in contact with told me that she can not meet me at all because she has decided to get serious with ber boyfriend, but recommended me her really sexy friend. after seeing her photos i got her phone number and tried to meet her during my stay in minsk but either i was busy with girls or she was busy with work and nothing turned out. sad, but perhaps for next visit to belarus. who knows.

i really got to tell a strange story that happened to me as well. i got in contact with a hot 21 year old beautiful well shaped brunette on internet and she was keen on meeting me. said and done. i knew she was an "expensive" girl to take out from what she had written me. i decided to meet her infront of hotel europe and then go for a drink and a talk. i took her to restaurant renesanse just 50 meters away from hotel europ in old town. i was intrigued by her and her beauty and accepted to myeself that this experiment will cost me a few dollars for drinks and food but it is worth a try. (bar bill at close to usd 50 in the end) so, we sat down in this quite stylish and expensive restaurant (anyway usually over my budget to go to such places. they can't really cook so do not order food there). i ordered a glas of red wine and she settled for a 100 ml rom and cola. oh, man, i thought this will cost me but i got to see where this leads. we had a nice conversation and soon the drinks was finsihed and second round was ordered. continued and even more flirty as i tried to seduce her. she showed me her passport and excused herself that she was only 18. the younger the better i thought, but told her that this is a surprise and she is very young. she told me it is not a problem me being more than double her age as long as i am a nice man. after a while the third round came and we were getting a bit drunk and i am sure she was as well. 3 x 100 ml rom and cola and she must have been a bit "piano"! i challenged her as the restaurant was closing and told her that she should come as my guest to my apartment and we can continue to drink and talk there and she surprisingly accepted. after taxi to my apartment drinks came out pretty fast and she had a big whisky and cola and me having a straight whisky as i told her that men in the west do not drink whisky and cola. a bit more drunk and i on purpose started to give her compliments about her beauty and body and she liked that. i did the "brudershaft" drink with her, with crossed arms as you drink and a kiss afterwords to approach her. it was fine and i got some light kissing but no real tongue kissing. as it was around 01. 00 she told me it was late and either she needed to go home or perhaps sleep in my apartment. previously i had gotten an sms from one of my regular girls that she will come to me at 08. 30 in the morning because she starts to work at 11. 00. with that in mind i told her that i must get up early because of "work" and perhaps it is better if she go home as i had a slight vibe that there will not be any sex as she signalled to be a bit cold. i could not really approach her. and of course one of my girlfriends comming very early in the morning and i knew that she sometimes is 20. 30 minutes early. typically for a scientist girl! but i have relation with her and good sex and do not want to ruin that because of this strange 18 year old girl even is she was quite beautiful and sexy. that meant i was not hungry though my brain wanted really to do this hot and strange girl. so i could afford to be a bit arrogant and told her in more firm that that she really should go home and sleep. i offered to call a taxi and pay for the taxi but then she refused and told me she wanted to sleep in my apartment. ok, i thought, initiative back to me. game is played. i told her that if she sleeps in my bed and i next to her it would be impossible for not to have sex with a beautiful girl like her. she got quite big tits btw and a slender body. then she told me that she only want to sleep and no sex. i told her again that if she stays the night with me me i will make love to her. after some talking and all was not clear she said she wanted to sleep and simply walked into my bedroom and lay down on my bed to sleep. i went on after her and lay down next to her and told her that if you sleep here we will have sex. i am a man and i can not resist you. she was very sleepy and did not really respond. so, what do you do? i was next to a hot curvy 18 year old girl that i rank as an 8. darn! well, i thought, that she needs to go home not in order to ruin a good morning shag with one of my girls or she need to spread her legs for me. if the latter version i have to get up early and send my girl a rush sms that we can not meet. i decided to test this 18 year old girl. so i let my hands start to massage her body more and more daring. legs, ass, and finally her breasts were massged and she was fully dressed. i started to kiss her neck as my daring hands massaged her more and more erotic. she was silent and pretended to be either very sleepy or sleep and i knew that. i started to kiss her lips and got into tongue kissing with her finally and i thought, ok this is action! hands went inside under her jumper and found her big tits. i fondled them as we tongue kissed. i asked her is she was awake and she said nothing. i know she was not sleeping. my hands became even more daring and went down her stomach and spread her legs and rubbed her pussy on the outside of her black tights leggings. she did not protest and we kissed. i then proceeded to take her jumper off, and all went fine and then the black tights. off they went and she was only in bra and panties. nice sight! i reached out and gently pulled off her panties. i lay down next to her and got het tits out of her bra and kissed them, sucked her nipples, and my hand started to touch her bare pussy and rub it. i rose a bit and took of my pants and out with my dick and went between her legs in missionary. i started to rub her clitoris with the head of my dick and i thought green light was screaming to me. go on. just as i tried to slide in to her already wet pussy she froze and told me to stop. i was almost shocked. i tried to slide in my dick again into her pussy and she placed her hand in front to stop me and told me again to stop. and i did. i lay next down to her and asked me what the problem was. she told me that she has been acting all the way and that she was an actress sent out by a girl on the internet just to find out if i was shagging other girls. what? i was really surprised. what is this! surely you can't go all this way just to find out that i told her. she told me again it was all acting from her side and it has been proven that i am a bad man and that she will tell the girl from internet. i asked her; which girl is that? she refused to answer me who it was and just told that she was on a mission and now she would tell the other girl interested in me that i am a bad man. i asked, please tell me who this other girl but she refused. she went up and got dressed and told me that she will go home. i told her, fine, no problems, that is what i told you from the start. to go home and sleep. it was around 02. 00 and i called her a taxi and she went home. she even refused to accept money for a taxi. she got me confused as i do not really know which girls that knows the girls i have a relationship with. hmm, really strange story. a thing a belarus hunter has experienced. strange and it did not make sense. and i can't tell which girl because i have contact with so many girls in belarus. none of my regular girls did give the mission, thats for sure. well, well. i thought to my self, be glad i am a nice man, as i easily could have shagged you by force. however thats not the correct way, and i would never do that. it would have felt very bad, but again confused and a bit pissed off with it all. i was close to shagging a real young hottie but got stopped just before entering heaven. cest la vie!

anyway my girl came in morning and she helped me to let me go of my sexual frustation.

to end this i sum up. belarus is belarus. hard times still prevail. i shagged 10 girls in total during my 17 days in belarus. my 3 regular girls on several repeated occassions. 3 new free girls (one which is placed on my keep list. a slim hot 22 year old girl) and my new model sponsorette and my porn princess and her girlfriend (last three includes money and help of course) and lastly one girl that i can not put in to a cathegory. i just shagged her. she wanted a sponsor but never asked for money. after that she asked if i wanted to meet her again.

i also went to club dozari, and it was ok, but not so big as i had expected. but quite fancy and modern and they put on a show. i was there tuesday so that might explain why it was a bit lame. i have heard i should really go there friday or saturday. besides that, almost no clubbing for me. (i had my schedule full). though, i have to say i love going to clubs sometimes to watch the eye candy.

again, i have been two times to club next in the past and it did not do it for me. different people looks for different things. those who wish to go there should do so.

happy hunting fellow punters.

/felix

[QUOTE=Borderland;1250715]I'd be happy to pay $500 US for a month for a decently located one bed apartment and with bills included. Doable?[/QUOTE]IMHO no. Last year I was almost decided for a whole month in Minsk (but finally changed my mind and opted for a cheaper option, Tashkent) , and contacted some agencies with the intention to obtain a good one-month rate. Around 700/800€ would have been good, considering that I get a 100 square meter in Tashkent for 500us$. But no way. The lowest I could get was 1300€ (for a one bedroom + living room apart on K. Marx street) , which was about a 30% discount compared to the daily rate x 30. And the agency guys were Taliban-esque about the price, there was absolutely no way to lower it further. That said, between 800€ and 1200€/month seems to be pretty much the current rate in provincial Ukraine also (and I guess that Kiev is more expensive).

A internet contact found me recently a decent studio in Grodno for 14€/day (located in center, daily rate, could be negociable for a one month stay) , which is dirt cheap. She evn sent me the pics. I am seriously pondering about it for a spring escape, but still hesitate as weekday nighlife seems rather dull in provinces. What you think about it?

[quote]She told me that she has been acting all the way and that she was an actress sent out by a girl on the internet just to find out if I was shagging other girls. What? I was really surprised. What is this! Surely you can't go all this way just to find out that I told her. She told me again it was all acting from her side and it has been proven that I am a bad man and that she will tell the girl from internet. I asked her; Which girl is that? She refused to answer me who it was and just told that she was on a mission and now she would tell the other girl interested in me that I am a bad man. I asked, please tell me who this other girl but she refused. She went up and got dressed and told me that she will go home. I told her, fine, no problems, that is what I told you from the start. To go home and sleep. It was around 02. 00 and I called her a taxi and she went home. She even refused to accept money for a taxi. She got me confused as I do not really know which girls that knows the girls I have a relationship with. Hmm, really strange story. A thing a Belarus hunter has experienced. Strange and it did not make sense.[/quote]I'm pretty sure you just got played. I'd bet good money she was a virgin, and she made up this story about another girl hiring her in order to see what you said. The correct reaction is "there are no other girls." You basically just admitted you have lots of girlfriends to her, which she probably suspects anyways but you should never say that straightforward like that. You also certainly could have pushed through the barrier, sounds like she just got cold feet at the last minute (something common with virgins or those inexperienced).

No worries though, I'm sure we've all had similar stories. The "get into bed but no sex happens" is something I got used to in the states but I rarely see in Ukraine / Russia / Belarus.

Thanks for an inspired report Felix, it really makes me consider venturing outside of my normal destinations. Taking your new 23 year old model as an example, how much does such a sponsor deal set you back? Also, where do you believe it's best option to find girls, normal dating sites?

/Q

[QUOTE=Latexian2; 1251596]I'm pretty sure you just got played. I'd bet good money she was a virgin, and she made up this story about another girl hiring her in order to see what you said. The correct reaction is "there are no other girls." You basically just admitted you have lots of girlfriends to her, which she probably suspects anyways but you should never say that straightforward like that. You also certainly could have pushed through the barrier, sounds like she just got cold feet at the last minute (something common with virgins or those inexperienced).

No worries though, I'm sure we've all had similar stories. The "get into bed but no sex happens" is something I got used to in the states but I rarely see in Ukraine / Russia / Belarus.[/QUOTE]You could be correct that she got cold feet in the end. However she was pushed to the option all the way along to get a taxi and go home as I was not really keen to have her all night due to the risk of an interactment with a regular girl comming in the early morning. I obviuosly told her if she stay the night it would mean sex. I had some girls in the past who wanted to stay the night but refused sex because it was the first meeting but none of them made any story up like this or went all the way to get naked before telling stop. They normally say stop when you try to kiss or undress them or daring touching. This time it was something different, but I am not sure I believe her story. Too risky for a girl to go all that way and the risk of getting shagged anyway. Well, there are a tons of different personalties out there, and not all are Einsteins. Some girls are just that naive and stupid. Well, never mind. Just wanted to tell that unexpected things can happen any one.

/Felix

[QUOTE=Qubei; 1251730]Thanks for an inspired report Felix, it really makes me consider venturing outside of my normal destinations. Taking your new 23 year old model as an example, how much does such a sponsor deal set you back? Also, where do you believe it's best option to find girls, normal dating sites?

/Q[/QUOTE]Helle member!

You are welcome man! I am glad to write a report and to contribute.

The "23 year old model" set me back a USD 100 for each 2. 3 hour meeting. With that information given, you have to take the whole context in to consideration. That from the start she was actually quite keen on meeting me and I did treat her well. (charm, respect etc). The "mutual thing" between you and a sponsored girl is THE main thing for your common deal and agreement. Play your cards bad and treat her like low life and it will all be strictly business and a business deal only. Provided she even agrees to meet you. You might get dumped if you are behaving bad. And if you think you can fool a high class sponsor on the first meeting, you might be correct, but she will not meet you for the second time, for sure. A "hooker" will meet you anyway but a "gentle fresh sponsor girl. And those are the gems" is likley to shy away from a rude approach. Be smart and do it well; with respect but not stupid, and you will be rewarded.

/Felix

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1235308]Tourist support document (voucher) can be had if you ask these guys:

[url]http://angelikaminsk.com/visa.shtml[/url]

I usually use their service. What they will issue even for apartments is a phoney voucher saying you will stay in this or that hotel. Use this info when filling in the visa form. (and do not forget to get registred within 5 working days. Or you are a smoked fish) [/QUOTE]Felix, would you have any info about how to get easily the two monthes visa "for private purpose"?

The invitation or voucher for the one month tourist visa is a priori pretty easy to get through apartment rental companies, but for a two monthes "private purpose" visa, it seems that it's much more complicated if you follow the official requirements (from what I have read, invitation must come from a Belarus citizen through his migration office). Do you think that a company like the one on the link you posted can offer an invitation this type of visa?

A couple of girls caught my eye. On this site.

[url]http://www.holidaysexguide.com/p/belarus.php.[/url]

Kati looks hot, but at 150 euro / H/

Natali 100 euro / H.

Anyone here used holidaysex guide anywhere for escorts.

[url]www.MinskNightlife.net[/url].

Seems to be good source of info as well.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1252257]Felix, would you have any info about how to get easily the two monthes visa "for private purpose"?

The invitation or voucher for the one month tourist visa is a priori pretty easy to get through apartment rental companies, but for a two monthes "private purpose" visa, it seems that it's much more complicated if you follow the official requirements (from what I have read, invitation must come from a Belarus citizen through his migration office). Do you think that a company like the one on the link you posted can offer an invitation this type of visa?[/QUOTE]Hey Prosal,

You can get a private visa and then extend it for two more months. I did this once and stayed for three months. The trouble is getting the private one month visa in the first place. The charity I worked for organised mine for me. Let me try to think of a plan to go about it.

I'm busy now but will respond to your Grodna post later on.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1252741]A couple of girls caught my eye. On this site.

[url]http://www.holidaysexguide.com/p/belarus.php.[/url]

Kati looks hot, but at 150 euro / H/

Natali 100 euro / H.

Anyone here used holidaysex guide anywhere for escorts.

[url]www.MinskNightlife.net[/url]

Seems to be good source of info as well.[/QUOTE]For the first link, use the Menu to the left and lik o Belarus. , and click under Escorts.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1252257]Felix, would you have any info about how to get easily the two monthes visa "for private purpose"?

The invitation or voucher for the one month tourist visa is a priori pretty easy to get through apartment rental companies, but for a two monthes "private purpose" visa, it seems that it's much more complicated if you follow the official requirements (from what I have read, invitation must come from a Belarus citizen through his migration office). Do you think that a company like the one on the link you posted can offer an invitation this type of visa?[/QUOTE]Hi Prosal!

I've only done a private visa one time and it was ok as I was not filling in the needed support documents myself. It was for two weeks only. However I remember that it was a real ***** to do the registration one in Belarus. I stayed as guest with a girl in Gomel and it took her a full day to get the registration done of that private visa. Borderland has posted some info about to prolong it. I've never done that so I can't help. Sorry man.

I do not think an agency can help you as thats a private visa but you can always ask. Perhaps they can or give further advice.

I wish it was easier to get a one year business visa. Any one who has done that?

Happy hunting gentlemen.

/Felix

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1252741]A couple of girls caught my eye. On this site.

[url]http://www.holidaysexguide.com/p/belarus.php.[/url]

Kati looks hot, but at 150 euro / H/

Natali 100 euro / H.

Anyone here used holidaysex guide anywhere for escorts.

[url]www.MinskNightlife.net[/url]

Seems to be good source of info as well.[/QUOTE]Kati looks beautiful, you are correct. Still that says nothing about the service. I would never pay E 150 for an hour anyway. Or even a E 100.

Better deals are to be had if you are prepared to spend a bit of time and effort. Again I can't really understand those who go to Belarus for P4P only. The gems are in the naive "non spoiled" and wonderful amatuer or sponsored girls in this country.

As mentioned in other furums P4P can be an option if you only comes for a weekend and have limited time to find "free" girls. However your wallet will take the pinch and for that value you probably get more for the dollar if you visit a FKK in Germany.

Just my 2 cents.

/Felix

P.s By this I do not wish to seem "like a know it all guy or an expert" but I rather post my policy. Anyway thats just me and how I do it. Others, much more skilled, might do it in a different which is fine. We all have our different way to get the pussy...

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1253087]Kati looks beautiful, you are correct. Still that says nothing about the service. I would never pay E 150 for an hour anyway. Or even a E 100.

Better deals are to be had if you are prepared to spend a bit of time and effort. Again I can't really understand those who go to Belarus for P4P only. The gems are in the naive "non spoiled" and wonderful amatuer or sponsored girls in this country.

As mentioned in other furums P4P can be an option if you only comes for a weekend and have limited time to find "free" girls. However your wallet will take the pinch and for that value you probably get more for the dollar if you visit a FKK in Germany.

Just my 2 cents.

/Felix.[/QUOTE]Felix, there is no way I tly my Ass all the way to Minsk or Kiev, and end up paying 150 0r 100 euros an hour.

It defeats the whole object of flying to EE ountries for P4P.

I am always doing some research & comparing pirices, and I would only pay in an EE country, if the girl is better looking and at a lower price to what I currently pay in London or close to it.

Katie on that link caught my eye as a link for escorts that I wasn't aware of.

Here is a link to a blonde english girl that I had the pleasure with at £60 1/2 hour.

[url]http://www.annabellasescorts.com/escort-girl.php?girlid=257.[/url]

Tilly 19 years old () and at £120 an / Hour is cheaper than Katie in Minsk.

In fact in Minsk I didn't end up paying for it, as I landed with 2 gems (students ).

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1253310]Felix, there is no way I tly my Ass all the way to Minsk or Kiev, and end up paying 150 0r 100 euros an hour.

It defeats the whole object of flying to EE ountries for P4P.

I am always doing some research & comparing pirices, and I would only pay in an EE country, if the girl is better looking and at a lower price to what I currently pay in London or close to it.

Katie on that link caught my eye as a link for escorts that I wasn't aware of.

Here is a link to a blonde english girl that I had the pleasure with at £60 1/2 hour.

[url]http://www.annabellasescorts.com/escort-girl.php?girlid=257.[/url]

Tilly 19 years old (and at £120 an / Hour is cheaper than Katie in Minsk.

In fact in Minsk I didn't end up paying for it, as I landed with 2 gems (students ).[/QUOTE]Ok, I understand JoJo! You got the game clear!

I hope you enjoyed you studentkas.

Cheers and happy hunting.

/Felix

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1253975]Ok, I understand JoJo! You got the game clear!

I hope you enjoyed you studentkas.

Cheers and happy hunting.

/Felix[/QUOTE]Hi Felix. With or without the students, I really enjoyed Minsk.

As you konw it very well, Minsk is a lot different to the other EE mongering destinations.

I don't go anywhere on an Ego trip (Being in the second half of my 40s) , and prefer the less complicated, and even cheaper option of P4P.

The 2 students were in a group outside yublijney Hotel, one of them was a stunning Blonde Girl.

Under the influence of few drinks. I just went up to them and started chatting. Asked them 4 directions 2 Westworld Club. Long Story Short. We met later at the club, and the Blonde & her Brunette Student friend were hanging around with me during my stay.

Had I met them on a P4P situation, it would have been cheaper, but mechanical, who knows.

I am very keen 2 find out if there are any Massage Places in Minsk, Do you know of any?

In Kiev its a great place to meet Students, who moonlight by working there on Weekends & Holidays.

If you hit it with them, you can meet them later.

Much better option & a hell lot nicer than the hardened pros.

Before I forget, the Strip clubs in Minsk were very nice as well. Next time I am in Minsk, iwill try my luck with one of the dancers.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1253975]Ok, I understand JoJo! You got the game clear!

I hope you enjoyed you studentkas.

Cheers and happy hunting.

/Felix[/QUOTE]Not promoting London 4 P4P or any particular provider, but in the context of research&price comparison, by using London prices as my benchmark for mongering in other countries.

[url]http://www.annabellasescorts.com/escort-girl.php?girlid=252.[/url]

Here is one girl on my next Hit List. Pixie a Blonde Bulgarian girl at £60 1/2 hour with all services shown.

I WENT ON HOLIDAY to Bulgaria, and did all the scouting there in Sunny Beach & Golden sands.

The going rates were 150 levs an hour (Read One Pop.) & the girls were no where near the above Bulgarian Pixie in London.

Now you jogged my memory. Met in Minsk one very attractive girl who worked for Belarus TV, who was coming over to London. Went with her 4 Dinner in a very nice restaurant, and she mentioned during the course of the conversation about the possibility of her working as an Escort in London? (Read semi Pro) She. Mentioned if 400 euros was ok in London?

JoJo was thinking by now that this girl is not 4 me, so changed the subject to other things, and next day went back to my Students for a New Class in Simplicity in fun when in Minsk.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1253998]Not promoting London 4 P4P or any particular provider, but in the context of research&price comparison, by using London prices as my benchmark for mongering in other countries.

[url]http://www.annabellasescorts.com/escort-girl.php?girlid=252.[/url]

Here is one girl on my next Hit List. Pixie a Blonde Bulgarian girl at £60 1/2 hour with all services shown.

I WENT ON HOLIDAY to Bulgaria, and did all the scouting there in Sunny Beach & Golden sands.

The going rates were 150 levs an hour (Read One Pop.) & the girls were no where near the above Bulgarian Pixie in London.

Now you jogged my memory. Met in Minsk one very attractive girl who worked for Belarus TV, who was coming over to London. Went with her 4 Dinner in a very nice restaurant, and she mentioned during the course of the conversation about the possibility of her working as an Escort in London? (Read semi Pro) She. Mentioned if 400 euros was ok in London?

JoJo was thinking by now that this girl is not 4 me, so changed the subject to other things, and next day went back to my Students for a New Class in Simplicity in fun when in Minsk.[/QUOTE]JoJo, I am glad you had a good time with the studentkas! Sometimes these casual moments of picking up girls are the best ones. I remeber that two years ago I hit on a stunner in the metro in Minsk. I chased her down and had a hard time with her but I did not give up. It frustrated me a lot to simply date her and drink coffee and talk and hardly even kiss her, even though she was invited to my apartment several times. Other girls I have shagged a lot faster, sometimes on the first meeting as in internet contacts. It took me easily 10 meetings before I got inside her panties. But what a sweet reward when it finally happened! Those who are willing to do a bit of work will in the end get the best results IMHO. Perhaps that is not a good example as a lot of internet finds give it up on the first, or second or third date. But some challenges are good and sometimes you must have THAT girl no matter what it takes. A luxury a man can afford if he comes often to a country like Belarus and if he is lucky. (ok, I worked quite hard for that so perhaps I deserve it, I think). Around Christmas she told me that our relation is finished as she think I am not a serious man. I tried to get her back but she did not answer. Last month I contacted her as I was in Minsk and she told me it is finished and that she has a new boyfriend. I wished her good luck of course. Such is life, but the momories remain.

I would not use that London escort agency as a bench mark for pricing. No way! Western prices and especially in London is one thing and it can not really be compared to EE and especially not Belarus. Only suckers pay London prices for girls in EE (former soviet) IMHO. No insults intended. Please understand.

I'm glad you ditched the TV girl. There are other prospects that will be so much more rewarding.

I have a sponsored girl. 20 years old. She is my porn princess. At the first date she spent the night with me for USD 50 and was happy with that (her friend slept in my sofa). Later I talked her into making a porno video with me and she agreed without a problem. Thats why I name her my porn princess and she is a quite a natural talent in front of the camera. That costs me a USD 100 per 2 to 3 hour meeting including video session. Previously she has brought girlfriends with her that proved to be rather lame in all. Last time she came together with a new girl. Sexy big titted 20 year old girl. We all had fun together and a nice video session. The promised bisexual acts were perhaps not as seen in professional porn videos, and were limited to kissing and light touching and brief pussy eating. But thats what I got. I have to be happy with that and I am.

Oh yeah, what I want to say that it pays to spend time and hunt.

Cheers and happy mongering to all)

/Felix

The links below for London, were meant 4 comparison purposes only.

It doesn't mean that I pay these prices in an EE country.

Comparing Like 4 like, say in Minsk, then I have to adjust it by at least Half.

That said, when I was in Minsk there was a very nice looking WG in the Bar of Planeta Hotel. She wanted US100 for coming back to my room. I didn't pursue it, so I assume it was for short time.

Then you had to pay $20 to security.

In Yubijney Hotel a couple of girls wanted 150 for both of them.

London benchmark is the Max I would pay. If and a big If a real Stunner gets in my way and I am feeling really horny, then I let my Dick do the thinking for me. At the time.

I don't like to bargain with girls, and I would only pay what I can Afford at the time.

Quite honestly I don't think any WG will ask less than US100 in a Club or hotel bar in Minsk.

Oh boys, it seems that Minsk is an extremely difficult place. Price of 100+ € is just crazy expensive

[QUOTE=Michi T;1257168]Oh boys, it seems that Minsk is an extremely difficult place. Price of 100+ € is just crazy expensive[/QUOTE]For a hotel? Yes. But you can rent a flat for much cheaper. I prefer a flat, anyway, as it gives you more privacy and you get more of a feeling of what it is like to be a resident of the city.

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1250885]3 new free girls (one which is placed on my keep list. A slim hot 22 year old girl)

/Felix[/QUOTE]Pic of the 22 year old brunette from Minsk from late January 2012. Stayed the night with me on the first meeting, but after about one year of contact. Finally met her and was rewarded, but again after a long contact period. Perfectly shaved pussy with just a wee strip of hairs, which tasted good. Did her natural style without condom, without even asking, as it was getting hot.

Second photo is of another freebie, this time from Mamba that I also did in late January. A sweet but more reserved girl. For sure more busty, C tits. She was keen on protection and I agreed, but still enjoyable and she is only 20. She stayed for the evening. Nice food cooked by me and some wine wich helped.

Happy hunting gentlemen.

/Felix

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic;1258163]Stayed the night with me on the first meeting, but after about one year of contact.[/QUOTE]Good work, Felix. Do you speak / write some Russian or do you look for English speaking girls?

B.

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1258163]Pic of the 22 year old brunette from Minsk from late January 2012. Stayed the night with me on the first meeting, but after about one year of contact. Finally met her and was rewarded, but again after a long contact period. Perfectly shaved pussy with just a wee strip of hairs, which tasted good. Did her natural style without condom, without even asking, as it was getting hot.

Second photo is of another freebie, this time from Mamba that I also did in late January. A sweet but more reserved girl. For sure more busty, C tits. She was keen on protection and I agreed, but still enjoyable and she is only 20. She stayed for the evening. Nice food cooked by me and some wine wich helped.

Happy hunting gentlemen.

/Felix[/QUOTE]Well done, Felix! Congratulations!

[QUOTE=Barba; 1258457]Good work, Felix. Do you speak / write some Russian or do you look for English speaking girls?

B.[/QUOTE]Hi Barba!

I actually can speak a bit of Russian language but not very good. However it is enough to manage on my own and have a "light" conversation with a girl. It is highly recommended to at least know some basic Russian language or pharses.

Russian language is a very hard one, but it pays off! For me it does not really matter if the girl knows Russian or not, but sure, I prefer a girl that knows english. Some of the best girls are the girls that does not know any english though. It means they are less used to the international scene and its treasures. Another pro of speaking at least a bit of passable Russian. Hence they are often more honest and innocent, but not always as the Moscow or Kiev scene might be valid gold digging grounds for girls.

Would be nice to catch up with you man!

Cheers.

/Felix

Dear Punters,

After prolonged conquest in various parts of the world I've finally made up my mind to jump in to the FSU scene too. FSU beauties arent new to me as they are now travelling to larger parts of the world. But the difference being that they all can speak english. The language was probably the biggest deterrent in having delayed my decision till now. Nevertheless I've overcome language difficulties in french and spanish speaking countries and determined to do it now in Russian speaking countries. I believe I will start this journey of mine with a visit to Minsk in May. Hope to see some of you around.

Cheers,

Mr. Punter

[QUOTE=Mr Punter; 1260134]Dear Punters,

After prolonged conquest in various parts of the world I've finally made up my mind to jump in to the FSU scene too. FSU beauties arent new to me as they are now travelling to larger parts of the world. But the difference being that they all can speak english. The language was probably the biggest deterrent in having delayed my decision till now. Nevertheless I've overcome language difficulties in french and spanish speaking countries and determined to do it now in Russian speaking countries. I believe I will start this journey of mine with a visit to Minsk in May. Hope to see some of you around.

Cheers,

Mr. Punter[/QUOTE]Welcome on board, and hope you report back to us on your Punts.

Good timing before it changes.

Dear Mongers,

Are there any strip clubs in Minsk that offer take-out for sex option like Rio in Kiev or in-house sex option like 911 Aurora in Moscow?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Jony B; 1265309]Dear Mongers,

Are there any strip clubs in Minsk that offer take-out for sex option like Rio in Kiev or in-house sex option like 911 Aurora in Moscow?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]No, Neyit.

But the strip clubs there are good.

Try your luck with a stripper, she might agree to meet you next day.

I always do, and not just in Kiev.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1265596]No, Neyit.

But the strip clubs there are good.

Try your luck with a stripper, she might agree to meet you next day.

I always do, and not just in Kiev.[/QUOTE]Thanks Jojosun.

I will try.

[QUOTE=Jony B; 1265972]Thanks Jojosun.

I will try.[/QUOTE].

The above was meant, not just in Minsk.

Try the strip club in the complex of West World Club.

Quite good and reasonable, and you have west world in the same building, full of all kinds of girls.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1266134]The above was meant, not just in Minsk.

Try the strip club in the complex of West World Club.

Quite good and reasonable, and you have west world in the same building, full of all kinds of girls.[/QUOTE]Again thanks Jojosun.

I appreciate very much for your useful information.

Hi, I WILL BE IN MINSK BETWEEN 16 TO 19 APRIL, I like to have a relationship with a Belarus girl in that time, if anybody like please answer me.

I had been to Dankoff strip club a couple of times which I liked very much and I spent great time &1069; &1088; &1080; &1082; &1072; in the Jacuzzi.

I did not ask for take-out but it was a small club with very nice ladies.

[url]http://www.dankoffclub.by/strip/[/url]

[QUOTE=Jony B; 1266684]Again thanks Jojosun.

I appreciate very much for your useful information.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hakan Demir; 1267102]I had been to Dankoff strip club a couple of times which I liked very much and I spent great time &1069; &1088; &1080; &1082; &1072; in the Jacuzzi.

I did not ask for take-out but it was a small club with very nice ladies.

[url]http://www.dankoffclub.by/strip/[/url][/QUOTE].

Thanks Hakan for the above link. Very good tip for Minsk.

I must have missed out on this.

What about the above digits, do you mean the numbers of your posts.

How much did it cost for full sex in the Jacuzzi? . I presume you got F / S?

On my way to Minsk, I was offered Erotic Massage in Cleopatra Strip Club in Vilnius, but I declined, as I was looking for the main course.

[QUOTE=Amir888;1267078]Hi, I WILL BE IN MINSK BETWEEN 16 TO 19 APRIL, I like to have a relationship with a Belarus girl in that time, if anybody like please answer me.[/QUOTE]I woud try travelgirs site. Made some exaiting concats there my self.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1267258]I woud try travelgirs site. Made some exaiting concats there my self.[/QUOTE]Travelgirls is 90% scammers and golddiggers.

Digits are her name in Russian, I think it was Erica. I don't remember but I paid something like 50$ but not for full sex, CBJ only.

But a friend of mine got full service for 100$, there.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1267188].

Thanks Hakan for the above link. Very good tip for Minsk.

I must have missed out on this.

What about the above digits, do you mean the numbers of your posts.

How much did it cost for full sex in the Jacuzzi? . I presume you got F / S?

On my way to Minsk, I was offered Erotic Massage in Cleopatra Strip Club in Vilnius, but I declined, as I was looking for the main course.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Prosal;1267259]Travelgirls is 90% scammers and golddiggers.[/QUOTE]As someone who has used travelgirls before, I would have to agree for the most part. Either girls pretending they are searching for love but really want money for nothing, girls (or someone pretending to be a girl) just wanting to practice their english or a very select few looking for new friends or a sponsor. Save your money.

Thanks for sharing experince thowards travelgirls site guys. Will for sure keep all in mind.

[QUOTE=Hakan Demir; 1267418]Digits are her name in Russian, I think it was Erica. I don't remember but I paid something like 50$ but not for full sex, CBJ only.

But a friend of mine got full service for 100$, there.[/QUOTE]Thank You Hakan for this tip. A bonus in a Strip Club.

Hi ISG lovers,

Just a simple report for my Minsk trip;

Basically, I can not give you a lot of info regarding night life of the city. Basically, I could not find a proper chance to visit night clubs. But I will try to tell what I did what I see. In near future I will add several new items as per my experience in Minsk. I ll be here up to end of June-12, If you want to meet up a beer and talk, you are welcome.

Before starting, if you start to contact local people, initially you will be amazed how people know everything about the city entertainment life. Yes gents, so this is the answer;

[url]http://afisha.tut.by/party.php[/url]

In this site, they are listing day by day what will be in Minsk. Site is in Russian language but with Google Chrome translation facility, you can translate it to any language. It also shows the addresses of the clubs on a Yandex map (not google maps. Here is kind of Russia ). All addresses of clubs, party info can be found in that site. Not only parties, theaters, concerts, etc. Etc. Very efficient site.

Night Clubs,

Next Club : Nice place, clean bright with lots of foreigner and of course, prostitutes, gold diggers. You have a great chance to find there an english speaking girl. I have no clear idea about the rates but definitely not less than 100 USD / hr. Entrance. 100. 000 rub. Vodka+orange. 60. 000 rubl. Music nice, shows are interesting, They have also strip shows. Place becomes dead around generally after 4. 30 am.

Africa Club : Basically a small student disco. Lots of Teenagers. Entrance. 40. 000 rubl. Vodka+orange. 40. 000 rubl. So, I do not think that, you have a great chance there. When I was there, I met with a 20 year old spinner. But still I think it was a lucky charm. Place become dead after 3. 00 am

West World: Interesting disco, with a 1000 people dance floor. Lots of different people from different economical levels. Entrance 50. 000 rubl. Vodka+orange. 25. 000 rubl. Music really nice. Also that complex has a strip club and casino. So its like entertainment-emotional spa complex for men. Not bad place for hunting.

Dozari : Nowadays, this place is one of the most popular club. A little expensive and they have strict face control at gate. Entrance 130. 000 rubl. Vodka+orange. 80. 000 rubl. Also inside the club, there is another club which is called Mohito. Do not confuse at the gate. They are in same building. Lots of Prostitutes. Dance floor, is not designed well, lots of columns in the middle of the dancing area (Yes I am civil engineer) , this kills the spirit and sight for hunting. Instead of this place, I suggest you Next. It is I think better and cheaper than this. But again, this place is interestingly popular in Belarussian girls world.

RE:Public: Men / Women ratio is bad, however, one nice advantage for this club, it is a little out of center, near metro Kuntshevshina, so basically locals are there. For this reason, if girls understand that you are foreigner, they show great attention to you. It is quite a big place, old factory Russian I think. If you like also trance music, you can listen nice 135bpm loops from talented BL or Russian DJs. Finding the entrance is tricky. It is at the backside of the building. Entrance 40. 000 rubl, Beer and Vodka Orange 20. 000 rubl. When I was there I met with a 18 year old girl. She was amazing.

Airport Cafe: It is kinf of club, restaurant type of place located inside the 1st Minsk airport. Entrance is 50. 000 rubl. I think reservation is required. I was there with my BL friends, so I do not know exactly how the system runs. You can find tons of over 25 year old cougars there. If you know basic Russian, it is very difficult to sleep alone at night. Men / women ratio was on a Saturday night, when I was there 10/80 (5 of the 10 were us). Do not expect a fancy club. Just there you are feeling like king. At every place of the club, you feel the women attention. They try to talk to you. Interesting experience.

In this part, I will give some tricks to ISG lovers who has limited time to find a girl and who wants to find a girl from net.

Generally I suggest people to get some contacts from internet before coming to Minsk. Generally this part of the world, people do not use FB actively. Also another info, if you can speak a little Russian, this gives you enormous advantage on the hunting jungle. Here people generally shy to talk in english or any other foreign language.

Lets start;

If you want a hit and run Mamba is a good choice. [B]

[url]www.love.Rambler.Ru[/url]

[/B]. In this site, you will find lots of easy girls. Generally they are seeking some sort of sponsors who can support them in daily life financially. With an advance search option, you can search also english speaking girl. But for long term relations, I am not suggesting this site. They may break your heart.

2nd site is, [B]

[url]www.vk.com[/url]

[/B] This is FB of old CCCP countries. Thousands of ladies are waiting you from all ages, from all socioeconomic levels, from all intellectual levels. This site is highly suggested for the people who are planing to stay longer periods. Also another trick, if you want to find a english speaking girl, just search the girls from linguistic universities, like MGLU. You will 100% get what you are looking for. But you have to keep in your mind that, generally these girls are following 3-date rule. Just invite them to your flat at 3rd date. 90% you will hit the target.

On this part, I will try to give some hints for the people who wants to stay longer periods (More Than 1 month). As you know, everyday clubbing, meaningless sex may kill you. So you decide or want to find a nice clever charming normal belarussian girl with intellectual hobbies. If your answer is Yes, good place to start, theater, and opera ballet theater. Minsk girls die for especially Ballet. Finding tickets for nice places are little difficult. You have to buy tickets 2-3 weeks before. Where you will buy?

[url]http://www.kvitki.by/en/[/url]

This is the site you have to use. From there you can buy tickets approximately everything performing in minsk. Site is working great.

So if you have a ticket ballet or theater, just ask any girl out you want to get. She can also be your guide in the city, She can show all interesting parts of the city.

Regards,

Ps. In the city you will observe that most of the blondes are fake, and some of the blue / green eyes are lens.)

Going home to my fourth trip to Minsk and Belarus tomorrow. This is a very easy and unspoiled country in some ways. There aren't a lot of foreigners here. Not at all like Kiev where you meet foreigners at every corner especially in the center. This means that some of the girls here are really impressed by you. I am going out with a couple of girls who are hosts in tv-shows and a news program. Cool, pretty girls in the early twenties. Who really do not need your money. They just think you are a cool dude, cause you are not like the guys they normally meet.

I have to say that Next is not a normal nightclub and do not agree with Cand. It is basically full of prostitutes and turkish guys. The turkish men makes sure that most of the normal girls of Minsk do not like to go to the club. They have a renome of being very aggressive to the girls, touching and grabbing their asses while they are dancing and asking eaven the normal girls if they want to go to the room. The turkish guys here in Minsk have such a bad reputation that most of the other nightclubs in Minsk have a strict no turkish men allowed inside. The nightclubs get constant complains about them from the girls. I even saw one place that they had a sign on the door, with turkish written and a red line over. Like a no smoker sign. I am really sad to say this. I have met tons of cool turkish guys. But here they just got flooded with the bad apples.

Africa I had some great experiences ad. It is mostly full of girls in the 18-20 year old category. But some are really hot. And you can easily get to talk to them if you buy them a cocktail. It is totally right that most girls like three-four dates before you get into the panties. But I had quite of luck in such student bars with giving the girls a couple of cocktails, talking with them for an hour and then invite them for sushi at my place. Especially if they can take an girlfriend along a lot of them will say yes. And there you have a high percentage chance of sex even though you just met her. Had three girls all 18-19 year olds from Minsk in such ways.

Met an internet contact too on this trip at Grand cafe at 23. 00 for a drink on a Tuesday. A model 180 cm. And super cool. At 24. 00 she really wanted pizza. We could not find any open places, so I suggested we went to my place and ordered. She ended up staying the night. And yes plenty of sex. For the price of a pizza and a cola. Maybe 15 dollars. She was from a rich family, had her own car, iPhone and hundreds of dresses if you should believe her own words. She just found you a cool guy cause you are a foreigner.

Another student bar is called Fashion Club. R'and'B bar. A little more upscale than Africa. But similar audience.

Overtime. They often do not let foreigners in at all. But I go there with belarussian friends. Prices are low. A beer 20-25. 000 rubles. A drink. Maybe 50. 000. Some really hot once there.

If you want to impress a girl take her to a place like Grand Cafe. A cool 50's cafe, with jazz music and a very hip crowd. Almost more foreigners there than local. But here you see some of the hottest girls in Minsk. It is upscale and a little expensive for Minsk. But you could have a meal for 100 dollars or so. Tapas Bar, News Cafe and Bistro de Luxe are owned by the same man and have all western quality and service, which is a rare thing in Minsk.

Newmans. Is the best steak house in Minsk.

Spa Emugua is a really good massagespot. It is at the same place as Dankoff Club the best strip bar in Minsk. The quality and facilities are really nice. There are four girls working there from 19-22 years old. I was told that two of them do extra services, like if you order a tantra massage. I just had the normal massage, which was really nice for an hour. Cost was 250. 000 rubles. Or around 30 dollars. Do not know the price for extra services. Maybe the double. You could ask.

Stripbars are a really good deal here in Minsk. Only few girls would be interested in sex. This is not Rio. But after they dance they come over and give you a lap dance each girl and most places you can touch everywhere. You should give them a tip of 50. 000 rubles aka five dollars for the girl. There are two-three at the many hotels at Nemiga, one at Hotel Minsk, one Dankoff Club and one in the same place of West World Club. Entrance is maybe 150. 000 rubles or so. Have not been to any on this trip though.

In general most girls are very open to meet with you. Even a lot of the model types that you see constantly in Minsk. And really there is no need for internet contacts. You could just stop them in the street and start to talk with them, they actually like this. Start with asking for directions. And after five minutes you could ask for number and ask her out for coffee. You will be surprised how many will say yes.

All the sexualdetails about my encounters I will not say. It is really none of your business. But I am not complaining.

I am traveling home tomorrow, but am more than willing to meet up here or in Kiev where I come often too.

Just completed a tour of fkk clubs in germany and still looking for a new experience. Have read many forums and have come up with an interesting idea for minsk. My background is that I'm in my thirties born in england and of egyptian parents but basically more british. I read about the arabic mongers at next bar which gave me an idea. Tourist visas for brits seem very easy to come by in addition to dirt cheap lufthansa flights to minsk via frankfurt. All of this gave me an idea; ; supposing I was ready to splash out on a room at the crowne plaza minsk I would then surely be right where the next club is and I have read there are many many hot hookers there all nights of the week? Firstly could someone tell me if this is still true. Secondly I would only be in minsk theoretically at the moment for a week and would just want to concentrate on the hottest pfp options am I right in saying next is a sure bet? Young attractive model types etc. Finally as a guest at the hotel and dressed smartly could I just walk in and buy a drink without table charges and just sit at any chair without extra charges. I feel I could blend in easily as I look arabic if you get me. In terms of girls at next are they young attractive and would it be a simple matter of picking what I want talking them to my room and repeating whenever I wanted with no security man tips etc as I am a hotel guest or am I wrong. I have read the cost is about 100 dollars now is that short term and what would a full night cost say? Focusing fully on this idea to go wild at next for a week any responses to the above would be greatly received especially regarding girl and club costs and whether it is realistic.

Many thanks

[QUOTE=Mohab; 1272010]Just completed a tour of fkk clubs in germany and still looking for a new experience. Have read many forums and have come up with an interesting idea for minsk. My background is that I'm in my thirties born in england and of egyptian parents but basically more british. I read about the arabic mongers at next bar which gave me an idea. Tourist visas for brits seem very easy to come by in addition to dirt cheap lufthansa flights to minsk via frankfurt. All of this gave me an idea; ; supposing I was ready to splash out on a room at the crowne plaza minsk I would then surely be right where the next club is and I have read there are many many hot hookers there all nights of the week? Firstly could someone tell me if this is still true. Secondly I would only be in minsk theoretically at the moment for a week and would just want to concentrate on the hottest pfp options am I right in saying next is a sure bet? Young attractive model types etc. Finally as a guest at the hotel and dressed smartly could I just walk in and buy a drink without table charges and just sit at any chair without extra charges. I feel I could blend in easily as I look arabic if you get me. In terms of girls at next are they young attractive and would it be a simple matter of picking what I want talking them to my room and repeating whenever I wanted with no security man tips etc as I am a hotel guest or am I wrong. I have read the cost is about 100 dollars now is that short term and what would a full night cost say? Focusing fully on this idea to go wild at next for a week any responses to the above would be greatly received especially regarding girl and club costs and whether it is realistic.

Many thanks[/QUOTE]I am not sure if this post is serious or not. If its meant to be a joke its actually quite funny and I laughed out loud when I read it. If it is meant to be serious then please give me some warning before you arrive in Minsk so I can get out of Belarus as fast as humanly possible.

Actually I'm completely serious. I'm just waiting to see if fellow members think that such a plan is flawed and why or if it could actually work?

Gents,

Last Saturday, I was out with Danish Traveller. Together we checked couple of places. By the was this week in Belarus, there was 4 day long nice vacation, from Friday to Tuesday.

[B]Dozari / Mohito :[/B] Saturday, entrance : 150. 000, beer 90. 000. If you want to spend huge amount of money, this place is good start. You can find lots of nice looking gold diggers there. As I wrote before, I do not like the clubs because of the columns, they cut the scenery.

[B]Africa : [/B] : entrance : 50. 000, beer 40. 000 Mohito / Cocktails : 80. 000, That night around 2. 00 club was full with nice looking student type girls. Especially if you think that you can dance well and get attention, this is the place. But again, club is not so fancy.

[B]Madison : [/B] : entrance : 120. 000, Beer: 80. 000, place was dead at 4. 00 Saturday night. There I saw one of my friend, he told me the peak hours of the club is BTW 2 to 4. If somebody wants to see the action, it is suggested timeline. After 4. 00, place was totally dead.

Sunday Night, This time I was alone;

[B]Max Show : [/B] : entrance : 40. 000, Vodka apple juice. 20. 000, glass of wine : 50. 000. It is a famous club for the Arabic oriented gents. Especially at the bar on the left hand side, you will see their empire. They are just touching, grabbing girls' asses there. That night place was full but, my opinion, if you do not have mush time in minsk, it is waste of time. Quality of the girls were awful. That night, I met there with a very nice lady from Brest. I strongly believe that she is a nice escort. She told me she is in cosmetic industry, also with in 2-3 days she is going to istanbul to visit a "friend". For 1 week Then 3rd of may she ll be here again. She is 175, slim, blue eyes, Dark long hair. I ve no idea about her bed performance, I am not interested to sleep with a call girls in Minsk. English is not working in this club. Russian is a "+" for you.

Monday Night, This time again I was alone;

[B]Alcatraz : [/B] : entrance : 30. 000, Vodka apple juice. 20. 000 Carlsberg 21. 000, Quality of girls were better than Max Show. Mainly locals, I spotted couple of Turkish gents there also. Also in that club, I met with some Girls form Cuba. They are dancers, and working at Circus. They are really pretty dancers with athletic bodies. They told me Circus is not working on Tuesdays, so I think you can spot them on Monday nights at the clubs near to Circus. I was not my mood so I did not pay so much attention to them. But after me, I saw them wtih couple of rich-look Russian guys. I think these girls are doing some business there. English is not working in this club also. Russian is a +. But there is a hint. In that club mainly DJ's prefer english songs, so just read the lips of the girls, if you feel that she knows the song, definitely she can speak also english.) With that trick I met with a 23 year old nice girl who works as an interpreter. During long 3 hrs chatting, She only drank water, But then, she came to me as a "guest" and it was quite good. She is 175/60-65 kg. She has pretty sexy baby face with shiny blue eyes and curly dark hair and really fresh titties and amazing curvy ass.

[QUOTE=Cand1980;1272972][B]Dozari / Mohito :[/B] Saturday, entrance : 150. 000, beer 90. 000. If you want to spend huge amount of money, this place is good start.[/QUOTE]Some 15€ entrance and 9€ for a beer isn't cheap, for a country where the average wage has decreased to 135us$ after the two recent brutal devaluations. How a non-sponsored girl can afford to frequent this place?

[QUOTE=Prosal;1273058]Some 15€ entrance and 9€ for a beer isn't cheap, for a country where the average wage has decreased to 135us$ after the two recent brutal devaluations. How a non-sponsored girl can afford to frequent this place?[/QUOTE]Yes, it is like differential equations. Numbers are not fitting but there is a reality. Interestingly this place is very popular among the girls. For me, that place is crap, unnecessary expensive. Aprox. All girls are gold diggers, prostitutes. They are basically searching a rich Russian who came to minsk for casinos. You are telling that entrance 15 EUR. If you see that girls, all of them have brand new iphone 4Gs, nice expensive handbags. You may think that they are richer than you, maybe it is.

So again, if you have good amount of money to spend girls, booze, that place is nice spot to find nice good looking girls, and expensive booze.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1273058]Some 15€ entrance and 9€ for a beer isn't cheap, for a country where the average wage has decreased to 135us$ after the two recent brutal devaluations. How a non-sponsored girl can afford to frequent this place?[/QUOTE]Yes, it is like high-order differential equations. Difficult to find exact solution. Yes numbers are not fitting but there is a reality.

Interestingly this place is very popular among the girls. For me, that place is crap, unnecessary expensive.

Aprox. All girls are gold diggers, prostitutes, (yes there might be some frendly girls but they are negligible.). They are basically searching a rich Russian guy who come to minsk regularly for casinos. You are telling that entrance 15 EUR. If you see that girls, all of them have brand new iphone 4Gs, nice expensive handbags. You may think that they are richer than you, maybe it is.

So again, if you have good amount of money to spend girls, prostitutes I mean, and unnecessarily expensive booze, that place is nice spot to find nice good looking girls, and expensive booze.)

Privet from Minsk!

Having flown 10, 000 km from Western Canada I arrived at Minsk-2 last week, the airport in the capital of the Belarus, my favorite mongering destination. The first few days I spent meeting with Belarusian friends, registering with the police and attempting to adjust to the 9-hour time difference which proved daunting. However, it was great to be back in Minsk and I quickly re-introduced myself to the city. Now, at the end of my first week of a month long sojourn, I have something to report.

The first woman I met in Minsk was Keyt, the beautiful 21-year studentka I sponsored last fall during my first visit to Belarus. She met me for lunch at Boulevard Cafe and brought me a sim card with enough credits to last me my entire stay. I presented her a bottle of Versace 'Bright Crystal' perfume that was recommended I buy as a gift by a sexy Russian girl I knew in Canada. Keyt was pleased and after dinner we went for a walk on Karl Marx Avenue. As we walked I allowed her to wander ahead of me a few times and admired her. Keyt has that perfect blend of tall, lean figure coupled with a wonderfully round ass. As we walked she told me how she was invited to a friend's birthday party at the exclusive Dozari night club that weekend but was worried she could not go as she had no money. I took the hint. I asked her how much she needed and she retorted immediately '100 USD'. I told her I had the money at my flat on Lenin Street and if she accompanied me there I would get it for her. She took the hint. A few hours later, with a crisp Ben Franklin placed in her hand bag, Keyt asked me, in her slightly British accent, if I was going to date any other girls while I was in Minsk. I kissed her shoulder her and reassured her she was the only girl for me. She smiled, wiggled her perfect ass into my groin and fell asleep for a few hours.

The next day I met Anya, an 18-year old who studied something or other at BSU. I say something or other as I soon discovered she could barely speak English. Actually, it wasn't English but rather Russ-English and through hand gestures, smiles and broken words I tried to have a conversation with her at My English Granny Cafe. I soon discovered it would be impossible to attempt discussing sponsorship with her. When I asked her how it was she had been speaking with me in English on the internet site we met on and later vkontakte for the previous three weeks, 'Google translator' was what she said through her perfect smile. Still, she had a pretty face, lovely eyes and a wonderful rack hidden under a tight fitted, black turtle neck. I told her I would send her an email on vkontakte when I got back to my flat and did so detailing how I was attracted to her and wanted to sponsor her. She immediately asked me for 1. 5 million BYR (185 USD) to buy a pair of shoes she said were 'haunting her in her dreams'. I thought the price steep for Minsk standards but I was admittedly charmed by her request and her beautiful little body. I agreed and within an hour she was strutting naked in my flat. Anya was the perfect mix of confidence and passiveness I prefer in a lover. Her breasts were unstoppable. Afterwards I asked her, through Google translator on my laptop, what she needed the shoes for. She said she was going to a birthday party the following night at Dozari night club. I stopped myself from laughing out loud and patted her pretty head. I wondered if she and Keyt were going to the same party.

Anyway, I have three weeks left in Minsk and some girls lined up for the weekend. I will report Monday on this weekend's activity!

Hi Danish Traveler and canadianboy.

You guys have lots of experience about Minsk.

Can you please tell me which is the main street and shopping mall to meet beautiful students or girls?

Thanks,

Naykan

[QUOTE=Naykan; 1273629]Hi Danish Traveler and canadianboy.

You guys have lots of experience about Minsk.

Can you please tell me which is the main street and shopping mall to meet beautiful students or girls?

Thanks,

Naykan[/QUOTE]Any street on Minsk is a great street! Seriously, I can name 10 that have hotties walking on them all afternoon and evening. Off the top of my head, Lenin, Pobedetely, Nezavisimosti, Karl Marx, Nemiga, etc. I was sitting at Boulevard Cafe this evening on the balcony and in 40 minutes I counted 40 girls I would like to get to know better and that is on Engels street, I think. As for malls, I am not so sure. I have been to many malls in Minsk and they are hit and miss depending on the time of the day. Capital Mall in the city center is not a great mall but there is a lot of traffic going through it plus there is a large walking and sitting area around Independence Square which attracts a lot of people. My favorite mall is Bigz Mall and I know a few studentka's who love Europa Mall. I prefer to take a sponsor there and buy her something nice rather than hunt. However, all the power to you! Let us know how you make out.

Friday night I was supposed to meet with a studentka I made contact with off of vkontakte in early March. Liza is a tall, pretty young woman with olive colored skin and a wonderful set of thick lips. She made it very clear to me that she was interested in being sponsored but that nothing would happen between us until she felt comfortable with me. The fact she was a real Belarusian beauty off about 19-years was enough to convince me to be patient and show her a good time. That coupled with a much anticipated Saturday afternoon appointment at my flat with another studentka named Masha I had met off vkontakte was enough to convince me to wait. We were suppose to meet outside of Hotel Europa and take a taxi to Black Door Club. However, Liza sent me an SMS asking me to reschedule for Sunday as she had a plethora of school work to finish. I told her it was no problem but if she was serious about my sponsoring her we would most certainly have to meet on Sunday.

Instead, I went for a walk along Nezavisimosti Avenue when I decided to stop at a cafe behind St. Simeon and St. Helen Roman Catholic Church or, better known as the 'Red Church'. It was hot and I was craving a cold scotch and soda. Keyt had brought me to this cafe last fall when I first visited Minsk. I sat down and the waitress, a young, pretty woman in a short skirt and fishnet stockings came to my table. To my surprise she spoke English quite well and I ordered. After a few minutes she appeared with the drink.

'What's your name? '

'Diana'

'Are you a student? '

'Yes'

'What do you study? '

'I am at BSU'

'OK'

'You are from America? '

'Yes, I'm Canadian'

Diana had black hair, blue eyes and a nice smile for any time of day.

'Diana, do you have a boyfriend'

'A boyfriend? '

'Yes'

'Sort of, I guess' She said, turning her head to look at a group of youths passing by.

'That's a shame. You're very pretty'

'Well, we are not together now'

'I would like to buy you dinner at Grand Cafe sometime'

'OK'

'Have you been to Grand Cafe? '

'No, but I would like'

I asked for the bill and wrote my number on it. I was careful to leave a generous tip.

'Send me an SMS, Diana'

'You will take me to Grand Cafe? '

'If you want'

'I do' she smiled.

'OK'

I walked home enjoying how the scotch took me and thought about my vist from Masha the following afternoon.

I had an appointment with Masha early Saturday afternoon at my flat on Lenin. Masha was an 18-year old I had met off of vkontakte. At first I thought she was 21 or 22 but she assured me she was 18. Masha could barely speak a word of English but after sending numerous emails to each other using Google translator and over vkontakte we decided upon a two hour visit at my flat. Originally we agreed upon 100 USD for two hours – a wonderful rate considering how sexy she looked in her pictures. However, I made an error when asking if she wanted to be paid in American or Belarusian currency and she suddenly demanded 1 million BYR, which works out to be 125 USD. As I was eager to meet her and begin regular visits from her, I did not haggle and figured 125 USD would be well worth it if she were as attractive in person as her pictures. We agreed to meet at 14:00 in front of Grand Cafe.

At about 13:00 I was sitting on my couch reading 'The Maltese Falcon' by Dashiell Hammett when my mobile began to buzz. It was Masha.

'Hello? '

'Privet! Masha, Masha! ' was all she said. I laughed.

'Masha, are you at Grand Cafe? '

'Da, Grand Cafe! '

'OK'

I quickly got dressed, sprayed myself with Chanel 'Allure' and raced down to Grand Cafe. I found Masha standing in the shade sipping from a bottle of Bonaqua. She looked sexy in her tight blue jeans, black tank top and black heels. In heels she was about 176 cm tall and had a wonderful round ass.

'Privet! ' – 'Privet! '

'Welcome to Belarus' she said.

We got to into my flat and we spoke through Google translator on my laptop. She told me she loved my flat and thought I looked much younger than 38-years. She also said her parents were divorced and she lived with her mother and sister. I had seen pictures of her sister on vkontakte and she was equally as pretty as Masha.

I counted twenty 50, 000 blue BYR notes and Masha went to shower. 5-minutes later she bounced into my bedroom wearing nothing but black, g-string underwear and an honest smile. Masha did not disappoint and proved a hard worker. Her beautiful young lean body kept me entertained for the next two hours.

Afterwards we decided we enjoyed our time together and agreed to meet later that week. I asked her if she had any other sponsors and she replied she did not and didn't even have a boyfriend, to my surprise. When I told her she could be truthful with me as it would not change my wanting to meet with her she reassured me this was her first time with a sponsor. Admittedly I was pleased.

Later that night I got a message on vkontakte from her.

'It was nice meeting you today'

'You too' I replied.

I went to sleep that night thinking about my meeting with Liza the following day.

Gents,

Another place, just to warn you.

[B]Welcome[/B] : I checked this place because it is not far from my flat. Still I am thinking that my region have great potential about the young people and still I have a hope that if I can find a nice restourant or club, I will be so lucky. For this reason, I try some unknown places to find secret gems. Last Saturday I checked that place. Entrance 30. 000, beer or Vodka orange / apple juice or Cola. 20. 000. Environment, [B]waste of time. Do not think this place even exist. [/B]

Hi there guys,

Regarding Dozari and other odd scenes in Minsk, you have to understand something: they are totally obsessed with money and the image of money. I live in Vilnius, Lithuania. A good shopping basket at large supermarkets is some 65 litas (around 18 euro) as per the respective marketing departments. On the other hand, the same people who seem to be eating pasta and potatoes all month long drive cars worth 60-70000 euro when brand new. In general terms, they but them second hand from Germany or the US but they will hardly pay less than 20k euro. The more you move east, the less "European" and more "Russian" they are, Moscow and Kiev being the pinnacles of pretentiousness and flashing. Minsk is moving in that direction. Mind that with internet girls have access to "generous" guys from Turkey and Egypt who seem to be willing to pay for holidays and other entertaining. And we always have the Russians who are extremely prone to pour large amounts of cash on any young ass whom they like.

Regarding vkontakte and the Canadian chap around here, leaving aside the fact that his stories sound a bit like a national tourism agency undercover promotion gig or a flat rental agency viral campaign (the "studentska" thing starts sounding a bit creepy after a while) , I wonder how it is possible to contact girls so easily when actually the famous vkontakte is just a Russian speaking Facebook and girls tend to have in between 1000 and 20000 followers (yes, wankers everywhere.). And the site in question does not contain (like mamba. Ru for example) explicit reference to sponsorship or "sex for money" which makes the search an extremely burdensome task. But hey, I might be missing something.

All in all, not that easy to find girls in Minsk even if the city is 4 times bigger than Vilnius for example. Language issues and a lot of attitude among the ones who perceive themselves as good looking. Many of them come to Vilnius for weekends and the "Iphone and I am so hot" game seems to be a 24/7 issue. On the other hand, it is not that easy to find the €75 for 2-3 hours deals on the EU side of the border. More of the €120 for 2 hours (non pro) and I guess that makes Minsk an interesting adventure.

[QUOTE=Pokemon666; 1277598]Hi there guys,

Regarding Dozari and other odd scenes in Minsk, you have to understand something: they are totally obsessed with money and the image of money. I live in Vilnius, Lithuania. A good shopping basket at large supermarkets is some 65 litas (around 18 euro) as per the respective marketing departments. On the other hand, the same people who seem to be eating pasta and potatoes all month long drive cars worth 60-70000 euro when brand new. In general terms, they but them second hand from Germany or the US but they will hardly pay less than 20k euro. The more you move east, the less "European" and more "Russian" they are, Moscow and Kiev being the pinnacles of pretentiousness and flashing. Minsk is moving in that direction. Mind that with internet girls have access to "generous" guys from Turkey and Egypt who seem to be willing to pay for holidays and other entertaining. And we always have the Russians who are extremely prone to pour large amounts of cash on any young ass whom they like.

Regarding vkontakte and the Canadian chap around here, leaving aside the fact that his stories sound a bit like a national tourism agency undercover promotion gig or a flat rental agency viral campaign (the "studentska" thing starts sounding a bit creepy after a while) , I wonder how it is possible to contact girls so easily when actually the famous vkontakte is just a Russian speaking Facebook and girls tend to have in between 1000 and 20000 followers (yes, wankers everywhere.). And the site in question does not contain (like mamba. Ru for example) explicit reference to sponsorship or "sex for money" which makes the search an extremely burdensome task. But hey, I might be missing something.

All in all, not that easy to find girls in Minsk even if the city is 4 times bigger than Vilnius for example. Language issues and a lot of attitude among the ones who perceive themselves as good looking. Many of them come to Vilnius for weekends and the "Iphone and I am so hot" game seems to be a 24/7 issue. On the other hand, it is not that easy to find the €75 for 2-3 hours deals on the EU side of the border. More of the €120 for 2 hours (non pro) and I guess that makes Minsk an interesting adventure.[/QUOTE]OK, where do I begin? First of all, I used numerous sites to try to meet girls in Minsk and unexpectedly I found vkontakte to be the best one. I don't know why, it just turned out that way. With a little patience and numerous attempts I have met a few girls off the site looking for a sponsor and even a freebie which I am currently enjoying. Obviously there is no search option on vkontakte regarding sponsorship but that does not mean you can't find them. In fact, many girls on mamba post that they are NOT searching for a sponsor but in fact they are and only state they are not in case a friend or relative happens upon their profile. Nothing on the internet is as clear cut as you seem to think it is. Sure, I had many women ignore me or return my emails with less than flattering responses on vkontakte. However, in six weeks I added 50+ women onto my vkontakte and at least 8 were women I contacted on the site and after a few conversations asked if they were interested in a sponsor in which they were opened to it.

As for your statement that 'All in all it is not that easy to find girls in Minsk even in a city 4 times bigger than Vilnius' could not possibly be more false. In fact, it has to be the most false statement I have read on this forum in a long time. Have you actually been to Minsk? I have met over a dozen girls in Minsk over the past 20 days for a variety of reasons. It's not difficult to meet girls here at all. Sure, the majority don't speak a competent level of English but, as my post about Masha indicates; if you are inviting a young woman over to your flat for sex then a common language is not necessary. That's what Google translator is for.

However, there are many women who live in Minsk that do speak English and with a little work on the internet one can find them. If you can't meet them then it's time for you to look in the mirror. You might be the problem. I don't know who you are but women typically don't want to meet some fat, boorish man who dresses like crap in his pictures.

Now, as for your personal attack upon me. No, I don't work for an apartment rental agency. That's ludicrous. I am an educated and competent person and enjoy relating my stories on this site with some intelligence and originality. I have been reading and learning off of this site for one year and have always appreciated the stories people post (especially when they put a little effort into them) and told myself I should return the favor. I like to write and relate my experiences and if you don't like it then go read the plane crash that is the Kiev forum right now.

Lastly, you have made 4 posts to your credit on this site. You should try and actually add something to this forum before you come in blindly and start shooting your mouth off. Clearly you know nothing about me or Minsk. Stick to Vilnius, chap.

let me see. hmmm. well, i have to say that i have been to minsk. actually before moving to vilnius, i used to live in stockholm and for work reasons i had to travel to minsk at least once per month. once in vilnius. let me think, i travel to minsk once every 2 months. and with the new visa policy (they call it shopping weekend visa) , girls from by travel over the border to part in vilnius.

as i said, i am sure i am missing something here. i will have to be more patient online then. i admit that i get bored relatively easily on chatting / dating sites and that might be the problem.

again the national tourism agency speech. come meet our chicks! . the problem here is very simple. there is no proof of what you say, there are no pics of you anywhere, there are no pics of the girls anywhere. basically it is impossible to assess your "beauty", the level of girls you meet, etc. so let's not start arguing like small bitches here. you have your opinion, i have mine, you express yours and i express mine. that is all.

dressed like crap? that was cute. very fashionista / blogger type of comment. again, read the paragraph above. since we do not have real life reference, it is better to keep our respective mouths shut when it comes to physical appearance and style.

regarding amount of posts, again we are just expressing opinions since we cannot bring hard evidence onto this kind of forum. and as opinions, a post posted by someone who has posted just 1 has the same potential informative value as anything posted by a 10000 posts guy.

hmmm. perhaps mr. well dressed magnetic womaniser should help me stick to vilnius if he is not able to accept discordant opinions and a slight touch of criticism. i am open to suggestions. i remember i had a canadian nanny when i was a kid and i had the impression that was the tolerant laid back quasi european chunk of north america. but hey. who knows?

we are here to exchange information. i have done it on the vilnius forum and on this forum. information is subjective obviously and as such we should be intelligent enough as to accept discrepancy.

[quote=canadianboy; 1277665]ok, where do i begin? first of all, i used numerous sites to try to meet girls in minsk and unexpectedly i found vkontakte to be the best one. i don't know why, it just turned out that way. with a little patience and numerous attempts i have met a few girls off the site looking for a sponsor and even a freebie which i am currently enjoying. obviously there is no search option on vkontakte regarding sponsorship but that does not mean you can't find them. in fact, many girls on mamba post that they are not searching for a sponsor but in fact they are and only state they are not in case a friend or relative happens upon their profile. nothing on the internet is as clear cut as you seem to think it is. sure, i had many women ignore me or return my emails with less than flattering responses on vkontakte. however, in six weeks i added 50+ women onto my vkontakte and at least 8 were women i contacted on the site and after a few conversations asked if they were interested in a sponsor in which they were opened to it.

as for your statement that 'all in all it is not that easy to find girls in minsk even in a city 4 times bigger than vilnius' could not possibly be more false. in fact, it has to be the most false statement i have read on this forum in a long time. have you actually been to minsk? i have met over a dozen girls in minsk over the past 20 days for a variety of reasons. it's not difficult to meet girls here at all. sure, the majority don't speak a competent level of english but, as my post about masha indicates; if you are inviting a young woman over to your flat for sex then a common language is not necessary. that's what google translator is for.

however, there are many women who live in minsk that do speak english and with a little work on the internet one can find them. if you can't meet them then it's time for you to look in the mirror. you might be the problem. i don't know who you are but women typically don't want to meet some fat, boorish man who dresses like crap in his pictures.

now, as for your personal attack upon me. no, i don't work for an apartment rental agency. that's ludicrous. i am an educated and competent person and enjoy relating my stories on this site with some intelligence and originality. i have been reading and learning off of this site for one year and have always appreciated the stories people post (especially when they put a little effort into them) and told myself i should return the favor. i like to write and relate my experiences and if you don't like it then go read the plane crash that is the kiev forum right now.

lastly, you have made 4 posts to your credit on this site. you should try and actually add something to this forum before you come in blindly and start shooting your mouth off. clearly you know nothing about me or minsk. stick to vilnius, chap.[/quote]

Now that I am thinking. Do NOT misunderstand mind at all. I am not claiming that Vilnius is better in any way than Minsk. Not at all. And I am not advising anyone to come here. The only advantage I think of is that visa is not required for at least EU citizens.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy; 1277665]OK, where do I begin? First of all, I used numerous sites to try to meet girls in Minsk and unexpectedly I found vkontakte to be the best one. I don't know why, it just turned out that way. With a little patience and numerous attempts I have met a few girls off the site looking for a sponsor and even a freebie which I am currently enjoying. Obviously there is no search option on vkontakte regarding sponsorship but that does not mean you can't find them. In fact, many girls on mamba post that they are NOT searching for a sponsor but in fact they are and only state they are not in case a friend or relative happens upon their profile. Nothing on the internet is as clear cut as you seem to think it is. Sure, I had many women ignore me or return my emails with less than flattering responses on vkontakte. However, in six weeks I added 50+ women onto my vkontakte and at least 8 were women I contacted on the site and after a few conversations asked if they were interested in a sponsor in which they were opened to it.

As for your statement that 'All in all it is not that easy to find girls in Minsk even in a city 4 times bigger than Vilnius' could not possibly be more false. In fact, it has to be the most false statement I have read on this forum in a long time. Have you actually been to Minsk? I have met over a dozen girls in Minsk over the past 20 days for a variety of reasons. It's not difficult to meet girls here at all. Sure, the majority don't speak a competent level of English but, as my post about Masha indicates; if you are inviting a young woman over to your flat for sex then a common language is not necessary. That's what Google translator is for.[/QUOTE]Hello CB! Why Minsk and not Kiev? Is it really worth the visa trouble and that cold isolated feeling of visiting a dictatorship?

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1277734]Hello CB! Why Minsk and not Kiev? Is it really worth the visa trouble and that cold isolated feeling of visiting a dictatorship?[/QUOTE]Hey Climax,

You know, I have spent time in both cities and while there is a lot of appeal in Kiev, I simply prefer Minsk. No doubt Minsk is a strange city and Belarus an unusual country for Europe but I like it here. You have to come with a pioneer spirit and a lot of patience. However, Minsk is safe, clean, cheap and the people are more trustworthy on a day-to-day basis than Ukrainians. In the city center, anyway. There is a lot less English spoken in Minsk compared to Kiev and there are more beautiful women in Kiev than Minsk but the plus side is that Belarus has not been corrupted / exposed by the west like Ukraine has. As for the visa, yes, its a pain in the behind and expensive (180 Euro for us North Americans) but its not so bad. As my Belarusian friends say to me 'Its 100 times easier for you to get a visa to Belarus then for us to get a visa to Canada' and they are right. I cannot deny there is a feeling of oppression here in Minsk and as someone from the west it is a very uncomfortable and peculiar feeling to be sure.

There is a lot more I could write on the subject of comparing Minsk to Kiev but in truth I really want Minsk and Belarus to remain as it is; an unpopular destination for foreigners.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1277741]There is a lot more I could write on the subject of comparing Minsk to Kiev but in truth I really want Minsk and Belarus to remain as it is; an unpopular destination for foreigners.[/QUOTE]Thank you for paying back your knowledge debt to ISG, CB. It is now fully paid and no more commercials, I mean reports are needed. Blink.

I was once in Minsk and loved it, even though I did not meet any woman. But I agree totally that it is different in some strange indescribable way. Like a time capsule, but where just 50% of the world got stuck in history and the rest made it to iPhone age. As long as you do not enter politics you are quite safe though. Hope to find time to catch up with you CB on your Belorussian adventures.

B

Let's see if we can produce some usable info here. Mamba and Badoo are easy to use and things are pretty straightforward. Now let's explore vkontakte. Once you are done with your profile, you start searching. And that is when the hard work starts. Options available: country, city, age range, gender, relationship status (perhaps actively searching is the best option?). The other options are just filling.

Once you have your options ready, you tick the box "online now" and a list of young ladies pops up. Browsing, browsing. Hmmm. Most of the girls have only the option "add to friends" which most probably is a waste of time for you and just boosts their self confidence. Most girls have at least 1000 followers so you become a drop in an ocean. And then few girls have the option "send a message", that could help communicate. But then you have to find the ones who speak English or at least want to make the effort to use Google Translate.

Has anyone anything that could be helpful in this respect? Vkontakte as a useful key to eternal love.

[QUOTE=Barba; 1277775]Thank you for paying back your knowledge debt to ISG, CB. It is now fully paid and no more commercials, I mean reports are needed. Blink.

I was once in Minsk and loved it, even though I did not meet any woman. But I agree totally that it is different in some strange indescribable way. Like a time capsule, but where just 50% of the world got stuck in history and the rest made it to iPhone age. As long as you do not enter politics you are quite safe though. Hope to find time to catch up with you CB on your Belorussian adventures.

B[/QUOTE]Barba, that has to be the most apt observation about Minsk I have read in a long time. I could not have said it better myself. Yes, if we are ever in Minsk at the same time or any other European city then I would love to meet up for a few drinks and conversation!

Hi guys! I'm looking for 'good equipped' Black guys who would like to travel to Minsk. I can help you in what you wish. And share some nice moments.

Hey guys what's a going USD exch rate at the moment, official and market? Thanks

What is the current attitude towards foreigners of non-caucasian descent?

Is Minsk a safe place to visit?

[QUOTE=Sean EZ;1282292]Hey guys what's a going USD exch rate at the moment, official and market? Thanks[/QUOTE]Somewhere between 8000-8200 rub.

[QUOTE=Immy007; 1282452]What is the current attitude towards foreigners of non-caucasian descent?

Is Minsk a safe place to visit?[/QUOTE]Yes Minsk is very safe place to visit. No doubt. I 've been studying here more than 3 months, Still No police stopped me and asked passport. This situation is very common in Russia.

Nowadays, especially in Minsk, there are lots of Chinese, Korean, Arab, Turkish, Nigerian students. I've never heard a sad story about racist behavior of Minsk people. However, If you are outside with a BL girl, and if you plan to use public transportation (PT) , if you do not use Russian, you should be a little cautious. Because you may face with a nationalist BL guy who may tell you some cruel words about you and your mother.

I've never experienced such situation, although I am often using PT with my BL girlfriend. Yes we did some naughty things in the buses, metros even in pick hours. Nobody interrupted our sessions. Maybe I was luck, maybe my charming smile helped me, maybe my big body, wide shoulders saved me, who knows.

Another hint, if you face with such situations, just leave the place, do not even think about fighting! It is very very bad idea in BL. There are lots of bad stories about BL prisons. If you are not Michael Scofield, just forget this option and run.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ;1282292]Hey guys what's a going USD exch rate at the moment, official and market? Thanks[/QUOTE]I was in Minsk on Wednesday and the exchange at most banks was 1USD = 8000 BYR. This has been the steady exchange rate over the past few months.

[QUOTE=Immy007; 1282452]What is the current attitude towards foreigners of non-caucasian descent?

Is Minsk a safe place to visit?[/QUOTE]I think it depends upon where in the world you are from. If you are Turkish then the attitude is very poor to open disdain. To a lesser extent if you are Italian or from the caucasus. If you are from South America you might get on alright. I have met many women who love to Latin dance and speak highly of Venezualian men they have met at dance classes and whatnot. But to be honest Minsk is white dominated and many young women there prefer to be seen about with a caucasian man, I think, but mainly because of social attitudes. Belarussian women are far more conservative then their Ukrainian sisters. There are interracial couples in Minsk but they are few and far between.

As for safety, I think the city center of Minsk is very safe. Certainly far safer than Kiev. I have witnessed two drunken, large Ukrainian brutes punching the hell out of one another on a sunday afternoon in Kiev. Such a spectacle seems improbable in Minsk. In two months in Minsk I have never encountered a single problem in the city center nor was I ever stopped by the police. I think that is considerable as my Belarussian friends have often remarked how I appear a foreigner. Simply put: Minsk is clean, dowdy and predictable.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy; 1282646]I think it depends upon where in the world you are from. If you are Turkish then the attitude is very poor to open disdain. To a lesser extent if you are Italian or from the caucasus. If you are from South America you might get on alright. I have met many women who love to Latin dance and speak highly of Venezualian men they have met at dance classes and whatnot. But to be honest Minsk is white dominated and many young women there prefer to be seen about with a caucasian man, I think, but mainly because of social attitudes. Belarussian women are far more conservative then their Ukrainian sisters. There are interracial couples in Minsk but they are few and far between.

As for safety, I think the city center of Minsk is very safe. Certainly far safer than Kiev. In two months in Minsk I have never encountered a single problem in the city center nor was I ever stopped by the police. I think that is considerable as my Belarussian friends have often remarked how I appear a foreigner. Simply put: Minsk is clean, dowdy and predictable.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the informative reply.

I've been to Ukraine before, never had any problems regarding safety or racism. Apart from Shooters club which has strict face control.

I'm just a little confused because alot of Belarussian women have been contacting me. I'm not Turkish but usually get mistaken for one.

Just wondering if it has something to do with the economic crisis in Belarus and girls are getting more desperate to leave.

[QUOTE=Immy007; 1282664]Thanks for the informative reply.

I've been to Ukraine before, never had any problems regarding safety or racism. Apart from Shooters club which has strict face control.

I'm just a little confused because alot of Belarussian women have been contacting me. I'm not Turkish but usually get mistaken for one.

Just wondering if it has something to do with the economic crisis in Belarus and girls are getting more desperate to leave.[/QUOTE]I have an opinion as to why despite the fact you have been mistaken as Turkish you might be garnering a number of replies on mamba but it would just be guesswork on my part. I don't want to push my opinions on anyone.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1282646]To a lesser extent if you are Italian or from the caucasus.[/QUOTE]I'm Italian. In twenty years of meeting Eastern Europeans, it was never held against me. I always thought of it as an edge.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1282676]I'm Italian. In twenty years of meeting Eastern Europeans, it was never held against me. I always thought of it as an edge.[/QUOTE]Climax,

I believe you. No question. My opinion on this subject comes chiefly through many conversations I have had with Belarussians. I know whether privately or in public the majority of Belarussians women would not be caught dead with a Turkish guy. As for Italians it is much different. I think many girls have no problem meeting an Italian in private; meaning come and visit him at his hotel or apartment for sex. Some would even be seen in public with an Italian man and I have seen Italian men with a pretty Belarussian woman, though it is not common. However, Belarussian women are conservative and Italian men have a reputation as sex tourists in Minsk. A woman being seen in public with an Italian man has to be prepared for some scrutiny. Some can deal with it and some cannot. Belarussian women do like foreign men however they also must be able to present them to their friends. In this sense I am refering to sponsorship. Again, this is the impression I get from many conversations and from what I have seen on the streets, clubs and cafes in Minsk. Its possible I am mistaken but I doubt it.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1282684]However, Belarussian women are conservative and Italian men have a reputation as sex tourists in Minsk. A woman being seen in public with an Italian man has to be prepared for some scrutiny.[/QUOTE]I know many classy italians, and those guys are some of the best players in FSU. Problem is rather the lower middle-class italians who are obvious sex-tourists not even subtle about it and have a very very clumsy game. Admittedly they are in hords wherever the pussy is. In the countries (as in Moldova) where those guys are in high numbers,"italiano" is a running joke among the girls.

Totally agree with you about the fact that in many places in FSU, many girls (and especially those evolving in the highest stratums of the society) don't want to be seen holding hands or making out with a turk, as it might be a loss of status for her.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy; 1282646]I think it depends upon where in the world you are from. If you are Turkish then the attitude is very poor to open disdain. To a lesser extent if you are Italian or from the caucasus. If you are from South America you might get on alright. I have met many women who love to Latin dance and speak highly of Venezualian men they have met at dance classes and whatnot. But to be honest Minsk is white dominated and many young women there prefer to be seen about with a caucasian man, I think, but mainly because of social attitudes. Belarussian women are far more conservative then their Ukrainian sisters. There are interracial couples in Minsk but they are few and far between.

As for safety, I think the city center of Minsk is very safe. Certainly far safer than Kiev. I have witnessed two drunken, large Ukrainian brutes punching the hell out of one another on a Sunday afternoon in Kiev. Such a spectacle seems improbable in Minsk. In two months in Minsk I have never encountered a single problem in the city center nor was I ever stopped by the police. I think that is considerable as my Belarussian friends have often remarked how I appear a foreigner. Simply put: Minsk is clean, dowdy and predictable.[/QUOTE]I have been mistaken for turk and italian a lot in russia, poland and baltics. Some turks have great reputation as sex giants, but a lot of them have sex turist reputation and dump the girls quickly after sex. I knew one turkish gye that have been banging a new model quality freebies for years, he had outstanding game, and looks too, but he spoiled very much dark men (esprcially turk) reputation, as a lot of city girl new this turkish donjuan who throghs girls after banging them, and he wasnt only one. In the beggining of this millenium turks had great reputation because of their looks and game, but now its another story. Even came to situation when girl asked me if I'm turk, when I tald I'm latin (portugal) she tald me she wouldn't talk to me if I was turk, because of their ugly bahaviour. As for italians the spoiled their reputation too, but not as badly as turks, they behave softer to girls, in more classy way, so now it is easier to catch pussy in eastern europe if you are italian or portugeese than turk. By the way most famouse ukrainian artist anni lorak is married to turk and make ukrainian men (and not only them) veru jelous. You are wright canadian boy, bellorussian girls are more conservative than ukrainian ad even Russian, they remind me balic and Polish chicks who are fucking foreigners at their houses, but afraid to show in public because of public opinion.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1282676]I'm Italian. In twenty years of meeting Eastern Europeans, it was never held against me. I always thought of it as an edge.[/QUOTE]There is an ecellent Report Of Distinction by Waryman in the Ukraine thread about, Who can score the most with Freebie UA girls. It gives the edge as you put it, to Italians from the North, and Spanish Guys, who look more Middle Class.

From my experience in the rest of the EE countries, yes being Italian does give an edge for girls to have a fling, but not to meet and greet their parents.

Italian guys are not looked upon as serious enough for a LTR, or tying the Knot.

But you don't want to do that, do you.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy; 1282684]Climax,

I believe you. No question. My opinion on this subject comes chiefly through many conversations I have had with Belarussians. I know whether privately or in public the majority of Belarussians women would not be caught dead with a Turkish guy. As for Italians it is much different. I think many girls have no problem meeting an Italian in private; meaning come and visit him at his hotel or apartment for sex. Some would even be seen in public with an Italian man and I have seen Italian men with a pretty Belarussian woman, though it is not common. However, Belarussian women are conservative and Italian men have a reputation as sex tourists in Minsk. A woman being seen in public with an Italian man has to be prepared for some scrutiny. Some can deal with it and some cannot. Belarussian women do like foreign men however they also must be able to present them to their friends. In this sense I am referring to sponsorship. Again, this is the impression I get from many conversations and from what I have seen on the streets, clubs and cafes in Minsk. Its possible I am mistaken but I doubt it.[/QUOTE][B]Dear CB[/B],

As you now experience, this is a close country. So all locals, if they are not student in a any BL university, think that you are potential sex tourists. It is not about nationality, race or being Turk, Arab, Italian etc.

In here girls are so clever, with in 2 sentences they can easily understand approximately how much money you have, how much money do you plan to spend in minsk, and how much money they can get from your pocket.

One of the basic question is "where do you live in Minsk?". If your answer covers name of one of the well-known main streets or squares in the city center like Lenin St, Oktyabrskaya, Karl Marks etc. , automatically you will get special attention. Of course, they know minimum rents at these regions are starting from 1000 USD / month which is equal to 3-4 month salary of an ordinary BL family father or 6 month budget of these girls in minsk. This is the reality. They are seeking easy money.

Please stop to classify people based on their nationalities. It is nothing about nationality. It is money issue, if you show the money, they will follow you.

As per your previous entries, if you spend money for them more than 100 USD or EUR per pop of course, they will try to make all your fantasies real.

Just an example, in here I had an Arabic (from Qatar) friend who is 140kg very ugly guy, maybe he is one of the ugliest guy I've ever met. But around him, he has such 10# girls that I can not see even in my dreams. Because he is really really rich guy, he using his Porsche Panamera in Minsk streets and spending his father's moneywithout any accountability. That's all.

[B]Dear Climax[/B], Do not worry, when you visit Minsk, I advise you to go to "Grand Cafe" or "Cafe Gripp", near Cinema Pobedi- Nemiga. I do not know why, but Italian men like that cafes a lot. There, you will see Italian men with pretty BL women. They are meeting in public, kissing in public.

As a result, BL is a close country, regardless of race, nationality or skin color, all of us, foreigners, are potential sex tourists. So if we can show the color of Benjamin clearly, they will kiss us, grab ourr ass etc. In public. Girls, especially accepting "sponsorship", are not so shy or conservative. They are only amateur prostitutes.

CanD

[QUOTE=Cand1980; 1282781][B]Dear CB[/B],

As you now experience, this is a close country. So all locals, if they are not student in a any BL university, think that you are potential sex tourists. It is not about nationality, race or being Turk, Arab, Italian etc.

In here girls are so clever, with in 2 sentences they can easily understand approximately how much money you have, how much money do you plan to spend in minsk, and how much money they can get from your pocket.

One of the basic question is "where do you live in Minsk?". If your answer covers name of one of the well-known main streets or squares in the city center like Lenin St, Oktyabrskaya, Karl Marks etc. , automatically you will get special attention. Of course, they know minimum rents at these regions are starting from 1000 USD / month which is equal to 3-4 month salary of an ordinary BL family father or 6 month budget of these girls in minsk. This is the reality. They are seeking easy money.

Please stop to classify people based on their nationalities. It is nothing about nationality. It is money issue, if you show the money, they will follow you.

As per your previous entries, if you spend money for them more than 100 USD or EUR per pop of course, they will try to make all your fantasies real.

Just an example, in here I had an Arabic (from Qatar) friend who is 140kg very ugly guy, maybe he is one of the ugliest guy I've ever met. But around him, he has such 10# girls that I can not see even in my dreams. Because he is really really rich guy, he using his Porsche Panamera in Minsk streets and spending his father's moneywithout any accountability. That's all.

[B]Dear Climax[/B], Do not worry, when you visit Minsk, I advise you to go to "Grand Cafe" or "Cafe Gripp", near Cinema Pobedi- Nemiga. I do not know why, but Italian men like that cafes a lot. There, you will see Italian men with pretty BL women. They are meeting in public, kissing in public.

As a result, BL is a close country, regardless of race, nationality or skin color, all of us, foreigners, are potential sex tourists. So if we can show the color of Benjamin clearly, they will kiss us, grab ourr ass etc. In public. Girls, especially accepting "sponsorship", are not so shy or conservative. They are only amateur prostitutes.

CanD[/QUOTE]Dear CanD,

As I stated in my post clearly, I am only reiterating my opinion based on what I hear from Belarussians. I know a number of Belarussians, male and female, but mainly female and from different walks of life. I have formed my opinion based on my conversations with them and my own personal impressions. You say 'don't judge by nationality' but I don't think you can dismiss it too readily. Like you, I have seen Italian men with beautiful girls at Grand Cafe. Absolutely. I take beautiful girls to Grand Cafe and I understand their like for this place. I have met with and had conversations with Italian guys in Kiev and Minsk and they are very likeable people. But saying that nationality plays no role in Minsk is not accurate at all. It is a closed, conservative city and that plays a definite role.

I certainly think any man with an enormous amount of money can find a beautiful woman in any country in the world. That proves nothing and it does not reveal anything about Minsk in fact. However, I am willing to assume most of us on this site are not independantly wealthy. Thus there are other factors that enter the equation. Again, its my personal opinion and I am not suggesting it is the absolute truth.

[QUOTE=Cand1980;1282781]In here girls are so clever, with in 2 sentences they can easily understand approximately how much money you have, how much money do you plan to spend in minsk, and how much money they can get from your pocket.[/QUOTE]Seems that you have a pretty low opinion of women. I guess it must be because of many bad experiences.

Have you never had a Belarussian woman who liked you as a person, and not because she saw some financial at doing so?

Sad indeed.

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1282723]I have been mistaken for turk and italian a lot in russia, poland and baltics. Some turks have great reputation as sex giants, but a lot of them have sex turist reputation and dump the girls quickly after sex. I knew one turkish gye that have been banging a new model quality freebies for years, he had outstanding game, and looks too, but he spoiled very much dark men (esprcially turk) reputation, as a lot of city girl new this turkish donjuan who throghs girls after banging them, and he wasnt only one. In the beggining of this millenium turks had great reputation because of their looks and game, but now its another story. Even came to situation when girl asked me if I'm turk, when I tald I'm latin (portugal) she tald me she wouldn't talk to me if I was turk, because of their ugly bahaviour. As for italians the spoiled their reputation too, but not as badly as turks, they behave softer to girls, in more classy way, so now it is easier to catch pussy in eastern europe if you are italian or portugeese than turk. By the way most famouse ukrainian artist anni lorak is married to turk and make ukrainian men (and not only them) veru jelous. You are wright canadian boy, bellorussian girls are more conservative than ukrainian ad even Russian, they remind me balic and Polish chicks who are fucking foreigners at their houses, but afraid to show in public because of public opinion.[/QUOTE]I agree with much of what you said here and think it applies to Minsk directly. The general attitude in Minsk in regards to Turkish men is extremely negative. Many times, I guarantee more than a dozen, I have walked the streets of Minsk with a Belarussian woman and passed by a couple Turkish men and the woman has leaned towards me and either whispered 'Oh, I don't like those men. They are like animals. I know it is terrible to say but it is true! ' or they just start to giggle and roll their eyes.

On one occassion I was at Victoria Casino, a five star international hotel, and a Turkish man was there with two Belarussian girls. The girls were heavy set and wore too much makeup. I recall watching the reaction of the staff at Victoria Casino as these girls jumped about the man boisterously as he played roulette. The staff gave long, acerbic looks to each other with a mocking smile. After they left the staff was in a flutter of mocking laughs and conversation that was clearly about the Turkish guy and his two girls. For the record, the Turkish guy was dressed decently in a nice suit and his manners were quite measured and friendly.

One young woman I was sponsoring in Minsk told me how one of her friends was dating a Turkish guy her own age. They were both students at her university. She told me how her mother and the mothers of her other female friends would constantly call them when they were out with their friend and her Turkish boyfriend. When I asked why she said "Our mothers were afraid we would start to date a Turkish guy. My mother said to me 'I don't care what you do as long as you don't date a Turkish man! ' So, the fact I am 19 and you're in late thirties does not bother my mother" she finished.

So, why am I telling you this? No, I am not a racist and I do not have a hidden agenda. I am trying to relate something that Turkish guys have an unfavorable, antagonistic reputation in Minsk. To some extent this carries over to dark skinned men and many girls are weary of being seen in public with them. I am not saying it is fair and I am not saying dark skinned men cannot get laid in Minsk. They can, for sure. However, Belarussian women are very conservative and are extremely weary of being seen or associated with Turkish or Turkish looking men. You might be the nicest guy in the world from a country other than Turkey but if you appear to look Turkish you will face much more difficulty than sex tourist from other countries. This is a reality in Minsk, fair or not.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1283008]Minsk[/QUOTE]By the way CB. I had a belarus GF a few months ago (wealthy 32 yo that runs a business in Vilnius and that was vacationing in Paris) who told me about a place which is in her opinion the very best spot in Minsk. She said it was a ubber-fun bar / club, but solely frequented by elite people (artists, actors, politicians, successful professionals, and other members of the high society). No late teens piranhas and no sex-hungry tourists. She described the party there as a kind of "old style" drunken debauchery that is not anymore actual the "glam" venues. She also said that the music was solely Russian pop charts. I was drunk when she told me about it, but if my memory serves, it is just behind the Opera, and the name of the place is also a username of one of the frequent poster here on ISG Russian forums (might be Stravinsky maybe, but in any case it is not Pizdyets! LOL). Have you heard of this place?

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1282641]I was in Minsk on Wednesday and the exchange at most banks was 1USD = 8000 BYR. This has been the steady exchange rate over the past few months.[/QUOTE]Ok Thanks CB. Older trips it was around 2000, then I remember when it went up to 4000 a small bottle of vodka at a club cost us about 15 US Dollars. Must be even better now!

[QUOTE=Prosal;1283037]By the way CB. I had a belarus GF a few months ago (wealthy 32 yo that runs a business in Vilnius and that was vacationing in Paris) who told me about a place which is in her opinion the very best spot in Minsk. She said it was a ubber-fun bar / club, but solely frequented by elite people (artists, actors, politicians, successful professionals, and other members of the high society). No late teens piranhas and no sex-hungry tourists. She described the party there as a kind of "old style" drunken debauchery that is not anymore actual the "glam" venues. She also said that the music was solely Russian pop charts. I was drunk when she told me about it, but if my memory serves, it is just behind the Opera, and the name of the place is also a username of one of the frequent poster here on ISG Russian forums (might be Stravinsky maybe, but in any case it is not Pizdyets! LOL). Have you heard of this place?[/QUOTE]

I can honestly whatever this place is I have not been there but I think you are speaking of Stravinsky. I can make some inquires of my Belarussian friends and find out. I do know a young woman I was sponsoring when I first got to Minsk told me she really liked Stravinsky and often her and her friends would go there before heading to Dozari. She said it was a place I would prefer because of my age and social status (meaning I am from the west, dress well and have money, I think). It sounds like a great place!

By the way, good looking woman!

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1283110]By the way, good looking woman![/QUOTE]Well, just a 7 in my book, but super super super horny, which compensates)

Thanks for your reports by the way)

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1283128]Well, just a 7 in my book, but super super super horny, which compensates)

Thanks for your reports by the way) [/QUOTE].

You know from your postes that you are into Freebies, ie non wgs.

My question to you is this, if you care to reply/

When EE girls come to visit you in Paris, how much does it cost you in terms of taking them out, clubbing, restaurants, drinks, taxis, metro/

Do you go Dutch with them, Amercian way of splitting the costes.

In my case I go for P4P, simply because it works out cheaper for me, as I don't go Dutch with civvy girls that I want to shag, and I Can't host in my own place.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy; 1283008]I agree with much of what you said here and think it applies to Minsk directly. The general attitude in Minsk in regards to Turkish men is extremely negative. Many times, I guarantee more than a dozen, I have walked the streets of Minsk with a Belarussian woman and passed by a couple Turkish men and the woman has leaned towards me and either whispered 'Oh, I don't like those men. They are like animals. I know it is terrible to say but it is true! ' or they just start to giggle and roll their eyes.

On one occassion I was at Victoria Casino, a five star international hotel, and a Turkish man was there with two Belarussian girls. The girls were heavy set and wore too much makeup. I recall watching the reaction of the staff at Victoria Casino as these girls jumped about the man boisterously as he played roulette. The staff gave long, acerbic looks to each other with a mocking smile. After they left the staff was in a flutter of mocking laughs and conversation that was clearly about the Turkish guy and his two girls. For the record, the Turkish guy was dressed decently in a nice suit and his manners were quite measured and friendly.

One young woman I was sponsoring in Minsk told me how one of her friends was dating a Turkish guy her own age. They were both students at her university. She told me how her mother and the mothers of her other female friends would constantly call them when they were out with their friend and her Turkish boyfriend. When I asked why she said "Our mothers were afraid we would start to date a Turkish guy. My mother said to me 'I don't care what you do as long as you don't date a Turkish man! ' So, the fact I am 19 and you're in late thirties does not bother my mother" she finished.

So, why am I telling you this? No, I am not a racist and I do not have a hidden agenda. I am trying to relate something that Turkish guys have an unfavorable, antagonistic reputation in Minsk. To some extent this carries over to dark skinned men and many girls are weary of being seen in public with them. I am not saying it is fair and I am not saying dark skinned men cannot get laid in Minsk. They can, for sure. However, Belarussian women are very conservative and are extremely weary of being seen or associated with Turkish or Turkish looking men. You might be the nicest guy in the world from a country other than Turkey but if you appear to look Turkish you will face much more difficulty than sex tourist from other countries. This is a reality in Minsk, fair or not.[/QUOTE]Turks and italians are spoiling south european tourist chances with eastern european beauties. But keep in mind Canadianboy that eastern european chicks mostly prefere much more to fuck with southern european type (italian, spanish, greeks and turks) men than white skinned yankies, britts and germans. The same way you prefere EU women beauty over asians. Its much more exotic to them. But dark men (mostly turks and some italians) behave in barbaric way, make the girls feel like bitches and those typr of men are much less popular in novadays than they used to be before (10-15 years before). If some beauty goes with turk or italian in belarus she is considered ***** and spoiling her reputation. Its fact.

May 9th was Victory Day in Minsk and after taking in the parade in the morning, I met up with Kristina at Bistro de Luxe for dinner as May 9th was also her birthday. Kristina was a young woman I had met off of a dating site and we had become friends. I knew she was looking for a sponsor but as I had a few on the go I was inclined to keep her as a friend especially as her English was quite good and she knew exactly why I was in Minsk. Kristina was an average sized girl with dark hair, blue eyes and a tan she acquired recently in Egypt. She had terrific cleveage which entertained me during any breaks in our conversation. However that was rare as I enjoyed Kristina; she spoke confidently and honestly about clubs and girls in Minsk. I thought our conversation might be of interest to members on ISG.

We both ordered the roast beef and at first spoke of Victory Day celebrations and people in the cafe. She asked me about my impressions of Minsk and seemed genuinely interested. The meal was good and after we finished our drinks we ordered another round. I looked across the table at her.

'Kristina, what are the best clubs in Minsk to meet girls looking for sponsors? '

'There are girls in all clubs who would like to meet a sponsor' she giggled.

'Fair enough, but which are the best ones? '

'I would say Next, Africa, Madison and probably West World Club'

'Dozari? '

'Dozari is best club in Minsk but not for finding girls like these, ' she said.

'Where do you go mostly? '

'Africa. I will take you there if you want sometime' she giggled again.

'OK'

The waitress placed our drinks on the table. Beside us there was a Russian man in a suit speaking English with an Italian woman who periodically translated their conversation to her husband in Italian. They were speaking about business in Moscow and Rome and travel to Dubai. The Russian spoke very capable English while the Italian woman spoke slowly and deliberately. Our tables were close so I tried to keep my voice low.

'So, you think Africa is the best place to meet girls for sponsorship? '

'No, I think it is Next club. '

'Next? '

'Da, I mean yes' she laughed.

'But isn't Next full of Turkish sex tourist? '

'Not only Turkish but a lot of Italians and other foreigners'

I looked at her directly.

'I don't like the atmosphere in clubs that pander exclusively to sex tourists, especially when they are full of Turkish guys. '

'That do what? ' she squinted.

'I mean, that the main intention of the club is to attract men for the purpose of sex tourism. '

'Then come with me to Africa! ' she smiled delightfully.

'OK'

'Really, there are many girls who go to Next who are looking for sponsors but are not interested in Turkish guys. They are very pretty. '

'You know of such girls? ' I asked.

'Yes, I know a few, actually. '

I asked her to explain further.

'I know girls that go to my university who like the music at Next. They never go alone but with a group of people and always try to bring a few male friends with them to keep the hordes away. '

'Hordes! Good word. '

'Thank you'

'Go on. '

'Well, if they come into contact with a man they like they will of course speak with him. If it is someone they do not like, such as a Turkish, they will go back with their friends. That way it is better for her. '

'I see'

'But the girls are very expensive at Next. I think you can find just as good at Madison or Africa and with a lot less attitude. '

'Like you? ' I grinned.

'Like me! '

I paid the bill and exchanged friendly kisses with Kristina. After she left I sat at the bar and ordered another scotch and soda while planning out the rest of my evening.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1283373]You know from your postes that you are into Freebies, ie non wgs.

My question to you is this, if you care to reply/

When EE girls come to visit you in Paris, how much does it cost you in terms of taking them out, clubbing, restaurants, drinks, taxis, metro/[/QUOTE]I find that their mentality, once here, is very positive. They don't mind riding the bus, are totally happy with dinners in mid-level romantic restaurants, boozing in nice but unpretentious bars, evenings at home with some good wine, a plate of cheese and a good movie, ect. No posh places, no clubs. No need. Most important is to actually take care of their well-being, fulfill their touristic expectations (long romantic strolls, visits of picturesque areas, monuments, ect) , and at the same time satisfy them emotionally, intellectually and sexually.

[QUOTE=Jojosun;1283373].Do you go Dutch with them, Amercian way of splitting the costes.[/QUOTE]No. I call the shots. It's for me elementary male courtesy.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1283491]I find that their mentality, once here, is very positive. They don't mind riding the bus, are totally happy with dinners in mid-level romantic restaurants, boozing in nice but unpretentious bars, evenings at home with some good wine, a plate of cheese and a good movie, ect. No posh places, no clubs. No need. Most important is to actually take care of their well-being, fulfill their touristic expectations (long romantic strolls, visits of picturesque areas, monuments, ect) , and at the same time satisfy them emotionally, intellectually and sexually.

No. I call the shots. It's for me elementary male courtesy.[/QUOTE].

Now it makes sense how you get 2 EE girls to visit you in Paris each month. You being unattached as I gather from the above.

Even if I wasn't married, I wouldn't want girls to visit and staying in my place.

Not Romatic at all, and I like my own space.

I also like to call the shots and dominate the situation, that's why freebies end up costing me more. And all the ones I know civvy American females know all about london and they want to hit the fashionable places.

Aussie& Kiwi Girls are the unpretentious ones, sporty and lots of fun. My fav. Number 1.

Many thanks once again for your reply.

PS. Now I know how you can go on one month holidays at a time to Tashkent LOL.

In my situation, I am accompanied by my female home companions, if its long distance, or on city breaks in western Europe.

Thank goodness thay don't like EE countries countries, which works. In my favor.

With much amusement I am reading the Minsk forum which suddenly has become alive like never before.

I consider myself as a Minsk veteran after visiting this place more than 20 times in the last 6 years. I actually share most of the member statements made here although some are a little exaggerated.

Many things have changed in Minsk in the last couple of years. Back in 2005, only a handful of clubs existed, Madison, Max Show, Overtime and some others which do not exist anymore or were renamed. You would find only few foreigners and an overwhelming majority of girls in the clubs. I remember standing at the bar and girls dragging me into the dance floor and start kissing 2 minutes later. And even without speaking Russian, most club nights ended with one (or two.) girls in my bed.

This days are gone. My perception is that nowadays the girls quality in clubs is lower and the M / F ratio is much worse. Additionally, because of the many foreigners, especially from Turkey and Arab countries, girls are more biased and reserved. But if you have a good game, a decent look, some Russian speaking skills and enough cash to cope with every situation, then Minsk is still an excellent place to have great fun.

I have been quite successfull in clubs, but also use mamba and vk for some change. VK is not anymore a good option because since last year it is not possible to hide all the people in the friend list. So if a girl sees that I have +200 good looking girls and no guys in my friend list, she will start to ask some difficult questions. The only thing I have yet to try is to approach beautiful girls on the streets as Russian men do. This is actually one of the few characteristics that I admire on Russian men!

I have to say that the most amazing girls I had in Minsk were not the "I am glamorous" attitude girls from clubs like Next (big no-go by the way) , but some young students and part-time students from the cities in the provinces. They are usually natural beauties that offer an excellent GFE and are not that money driven as capital girls.

Knowing that my Russian skills are good enough to survive in the countryside, I would really like to try a provincial city. Gomel for instance, the second largest city in Belarus. Now that exams are over and University holidays are about to start, I would think that many girls will leave Minsk to spend summer in their home towns. The only drawback I can figure out is that there are probably not many clubs in Gomel so that I would be rather depending on mamba.

Any Gomel experiences or comments? Very much appreciated.

East Explorer, good to hear from you! I was hoping you'd be in Minsk when I was there in April / May. After being in Minsk twice in the last eight months I probably will not be back until spring 2013. Hopefully we can meet up then.

You know, people always say 'It used to be better here or there but it's not as good anymore' and I don't know as I am new to mongering in Central and Eastern Europe. I do know I had two great experiences in Minsk and now count it as my favorite city in Europe to monger in. I am comfortable now in Minsk and I go to cafes and the waitresses and bartenders know me. Some even know me by name. I actually took some of my Belarusian friends to a few cafes they had never heard of and they were always pleasantly surprised to see how at ease I have become in their capital.

I agree with you about Next, by the way. There is no way in Hell I would go there but a lot of my female friends in Minsk insist it's the best club to meet girls to sponsor.

As for your question, no, I have never been to Gomel. However, I do have two very good friends from Gomel including one girl I was sponsoring and another who was a freebie (check pictures below). I say freebie but I had to wine and dine her and take her and her friend to Dozari one night before I got the goods. Little tiger in the sack, though. She spoke to me in part English and part French. Great girl! Although we were having sex without protection. I hope to fuck she didn't give me anything.

If you can speak Russian I am sure you will do just fine in Gomel or another large city in Belarus. But that would be key, being able to speak Russian. If you are in Minsk at the same time as me I would definitely go there with you, especially since I have some connections to the city. I can certainly ask them what clubs they would recommend. Just send me a PM!

I am also considering heading to Vitebsk on my next trip as I met two students from that city on Victory Day. Very good looking girls but awfully simple and conservative. They told me they also wanted to show me a Belarusian village. They said it would be an 'interesting experience for me' and followed that with a hearty laugh.

When are you heading to Belarus?

Thank you guys Canadian Boy and East Explorer, as well as others for putting some life into this thread.

BTW, CB the second chick looks very hot, and worth doing a lot of air miles to get her.

I was planning on being in Minsk this month, but unfortunately I don't think I will be able to. So it looks like I have to wait till the fall.

Last time I did Minsk wasn't very exciting on the route that I took.

Flew on Ryanair from London to Kaunas, Lithiania (Now I know why the American pilot refused to be relocated there. Called it "Like Siberia".

A shithole of a place, nothing there, best to avoid, unless absolutely have to.

On the Bus to Vilnius, stayed there few nights, wasn't impressed at all.

Now I know why Lithuania has the highest % in the world of men commiting suicide.

Prostitution is illegal, and the best deal was in Cleopatra Go Go.

Erotic massage +possibilty of take out.

On the bus from there to Minsk.

Second day I thought I landed in Heaven. Was a bit drunk, and just went up to group of students, and got chatting to the most beautiful blonde in the group.

Met her and her very attractive friend at west World Club at midnight. 10 minutes later, she was DFK ing me on the dance floor.

Here is me in the wrong half o my 40s (Look about a decade younger, full head of hair, dyed, thank you Just for men) being french kissed in public by a 20 something beautiful student. Thank you Tanya.

Anyways it turns out that they weren't hookers, but merely students, spoke very good English.

BTW, I was hoping they were doing tricks, so I save time and cut corners.

And bless them, when I told them that I am a Meat Guy, from my days working in and around Texas, but I don't like the meat cuts in Minsk. They took me to a g a very nice place called Byblos. A good choice of veggie options, and good atmosphere.

We went out the 3 of us to some nice places, including Madisson.

I do love clubs. I spent a lot of my time in clubs on both sides of the Atlantic.

And this hepled me on the dance floor in Mnsk Club. LOL.

My 2 beautiful students were impressed by my movements and rythem, so they said. Took me down memory lane.

Quite honestly, if I wasn't under the influence of few Vodkas and beers, I don't think I would have ever got the chance to have met Tanya & Ajia.

Lesson learned try your luck on the streets, f the situation is right.

When I was holidaying in Eilat Israel, one girl told me, that no wonder I liked Minsk, because even their Foreign Minister Avigdor Libermann (Born in Moldova) , loves to spend his holidays in Belarus, and not Moldova. She said this with a wink.

My 2 students in Minsk told me their holiday options are very limited overseas to places, like Egypt, Turkey, Israel. And may be Cyprus.

Mant girls from Moldova and few from Belarus work the Clubs in Both parts of Cyprus.

So it does explain why Turks and Arabs from some countries in the Middle East. Head to Minsk.

Besides, I understand a lot of hotels and casinos are owned by them. Belarus must be the best place for Money Laundering. And they don't have difficulty in Visa Issues.

Next time I want to do Minsk is by flying to Poland, and Cross over from Bialystok Poland To Brest. Stay few days in both places, before heading to Minsk by Bus.

Both Bialystok poland, and Brest Belarus are not on the tourist trail, and sound more exciting, than crossing over from Lithuania.

Any update on Brest.

Thanks

Thank you guys Canadian Boy and East Explorer, as well as others for putting some life into this thread.

BTW, CB the second chick looks very hot, and worth doing a lot of air miles to get her.

I was planning on being in Minsk this month, but unfortunately I don't think I will be able to. So it looks like I have to wait till the fall.

Last time I did Minsk wasn't very exciting on the route that I took.

Flew on Ryanair from London to Kaunas, Lithiania (Now I know why the American pilot refused to be relocated there. Called it "Like Siberia".

A shithole of a place, nothing there, best to avoid, unless absolutely have to.

On the Bus to Vilnius, stayed there few nights, wasn't impressed at all.

Now I know why Lithuania has the highest % in the world of men commiting suicide.

Prostitution is illegal, and the best deal was in Cleopatra Go Go.

Erotic massage +possibilty of take out.

On the bus from there to Minsk.

Second day I thought I landed in Heaven. Was a bit drunk, and just went up to group of students, and got chatting to the most beautiful blonde in the group.

Met her and her very attractive friend at west World Club at midnight. 10 minutes later, she was DFK ing me on the dance floor.

Here is me in the wrong half o my 40s (Look about a decade younger, full head of hair, dyed, thank you Just for men) being french kissed in public by a 20 something beautiful student. Thank you Tanya.

Anyways it turns out that they weren't hookers, but merely students, spoke very good English.

BTW, I was hoping they were doing tricks, so I save time and cut corners.

And bless them, when I told them that I am a Meat Guy, from my days working in and around Texas, but I don't like the meat cuts in Minsk. They took me to a g a very nice place called Byblos. A good choice of veggie options, and good atmosphere.

We went out the 3 of us to some nice places, including Madisson.

I do love clubs. I spent a lot of my time in clubs on both sides of the Atlantic.

And this hepled me on the dance floor in Mnsk Club. LOL.

My 2 beautiful students were impressed by my movements and rythem, so they said. Took me down memory lane.

Quite honestly, if I wasn't under the influence of few Vodkas and beers, I don't think I would have ever got the chance to have met Tanya & Ajia.

Lesson learned try your luck on the streets, f the situation is right.

When I was holidaying in Eilat Israel, one girl told me, that no wonder I liked Minsk, because even their Foreign Minister Avigdor Libermann (Born in Moldova) , loves to spend his holidays in Belarus, and not Moldova. She said this with a wink.

My 2 students in Minsk told me their holiday options are very limited overseas to places, like Egypt, Turkey, Israel. And may be Cyprus.

Mant girls from Moldova and few from Belarus work the Clubs in Both parts of Cyprus.

So it does explain why Turks and Arabs from some countries in the Middle East. Head to Minsk.

Besides, I understand a lot of hotels and casinos are owned by them. Belarus must be the best place for Money Laundering. And they don't have difficulty in Visa Issues.

Next time I want to do Minsk is by flying to Poland, and Cross over from Bialystok Poland To Brest. Stay few days in both places, before heading to Minsk by Bus.

Both Bialystok poland, and Brest Belarus are not on the tourist trail, and sound more exciting, than crossing over from Lithuania.

Any update on Brest.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1284162]Thank you guys Canadian Boy and East Explorer, as well as others for putting some life into this thread.

BTW, CB the second chick looks very hot, and worth doing a lot of air miles to get her.

I was planning on being in Minsk this month, but unfortunately I don't think I will be able to. So it looks like I have to wait till the fall.

Last time I did Minsk wasn't very exciting on the route that I took.

Flew on Ryanair from London to Kaunas, Lithiania (Now I know why the American pilot refused to be relocated there. Called it "Like Siberia".

A shithole of a place, nothing there, best to avoid, unless absolutely have to.

On the Bus to Vilnius, stayed there few nights, wasn't impressed at all.

Now I know why Lithuania has the highest % in the world of men commiting suicide.

Prostitution is illegal, and the best deal was in Cleopatra Go Go.

Erotic massage +possibilty of take out.

On the bus from there to Minsk.

Second day I thought I landed in Heaven. Was a bit drunk, and just went up to group of students, and got chatting to the most beautiful blonde in the group.

Met her and her very attractive friend at west World Club at midnight. 10 minutes later, she was DFK ing me on the dance floor.

Here is me in the wrong half o my 40s (Look about a decade younger, full head of hair, dyed, thank you Just for men) being french kissed in public by a 20 something beautiful student. Thank you Tanya.

Anyways it turns out that they weren't hookers, but merely students, spoke very good English.

BTW, I was hoping they were doing tricks, so I save time and cut corners.

And bless them, when I told them that I am a Meat Guy, from my days working in and around Texas, but I don't like the meat cuts in Minsk. They took me to a g a very nice place called Byblos. A good choice of veggie options, and good atmosphere.

We went out the 3 of us to some nice places, including Madisson.

I do love clubs. I spent a lot of my time in clubs on both sides of the Atlantic.

And this hepled me on the dance floor in Mnsk Club. LOL.

My 2 beautiful students were impressed by my movements and rythem, so they said. Took me down memory lane.

Quite honestly, if I wasn't under the influence of few Vodkas and beers, I don't think I would have ever got the chance to have met Tanya & Ajia.

Lesson learned try your luck on the streets, f the situation is right.

When I was holidaying in Eilat Israel, one girl told me, that no wonder I liked Minsk, because even their Foreign Minister Avigdor Libermann (Born in Moldova) , loves to spend his holidays in Belarus, and not Moldova. She said this with a wink.

My 2 students in Minsk told me their holiday options are very limited overseas to places, like Egypt, Turkey, Israel. And may be Cyprus.

Mant girls from Moldova and few from Belarus work the Clubs in Both parts of Cyprus.

So it does explain why Turks and Arabs from some countries in the Middle East. Head to Minsk.

Besides, I understand a lot of hotels and casinos are owned by them. Belarus must be the best place for Money Laundering. And they don't have difficulty in Visa Issues.

Next time I want to do Minsk is by flying to Poland, and Cross over from Bialystok Poland To Brest. Stay few days in both places, before heading to Minsk by Bus.

Both Bialystok poland, and Brest Belarus are not on the tourist trail, and sound more exciting, than crossing over from Lithuania.

Any update on Brest.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Hey Jojosun,

Yes, I remember your updates from fall 2011 when you were in Minsk. You gave me some advice and I used it wisely. By the way, the chicks in the two pictures are the same person. She's the 'freebie' I had for a few weeks. Yes, she's a great girl who definitely made my stay in Minsk much more interesting. However, she was moody and got jealous at the slightest provocation. I never put pictures up of girls I have paid for sex as I respect their privacy.

Like you, I had some luck on the streets of Minsk. It was on Victory Day and I swear every Belarusian in Minsk was out that night. The streets were filled with people. I was a little drunk from drinking scotch and soda at Bistro de Luxe and while I was on my way to meet my friends at Korona Mall I started chatting with these two students from Vitebsk. Extremely nice girls and very easy to look at. We met up the next day and I showed them a few places in Minsk. Now they are on my facebook and promise to show me Vitebsk and a village nearby on my next visit to Belarus. Definitely hoping to get a freebie out of this. Like you, had I been sober this never would have happened. I am too stuck up to speak to people in the streets when sober. It's one of my short-comings as a mongerer.

I honestly know nothing about Brest. I don't believe I have even met anyone from there. Let me ask you, when you took the train from Lithuania to Belarus did you already have a visa or did you get it at the border? Also, if you visit Brest and Minsk do you have to register with the police in both cities?

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1283006]Seems that you have a pretty low opinion of women. I guess it must be because of many bad experiences.

Have you never had a Belarussian woman who liked you as a person, and not because she saw some financial at doing so?

Sad indeed.[/QUOTE]Dear [B]Prosal[/B],

I think you are working in Advertising Industry or PR. You just picked some sentences from a long report and accused me being ungentle towards the beautiful women of BL.

These sentences are about "Sponsorship". If you read that report and my previous reports along with CB's, about sponsorship and race discrimination (Sorry CB but they seem like that) , we were discussing some opinions. In that report, I informed one Italian Gent, Climax, how this "Sponsorship" term works in BL. [B] (Thanks to CB, before my visit to Minsk, he briefed me a lot with his PMs.) [/B]

I think the aim of ISG is to guide people, mongers, while they are visiting a particular city in the world. It is a guide for them, for you. I think still same based on my experiences, for the Minsk, there are couple of tricky questions you need to answer correctly, while you are chatting on VK or Rambler or talking with a girl in a club, like Dozari, Next (Especially here) etc. This is reality. [B]So as a monger, when you read this comment you have to understand that "Where you live in Minsk" is a critical info if you want to increase your success rate in BL with "Sponsorship"[/B]. Because, your answer give huge and very important info to the girl in order to finalize her decision. If you answer these 2-3 questions correctly, you have a great chance to pay 100 200 USD / pop to a grade 6 9, 18-26 yr old BL girl who are seeking "sponsor", even if you are one of the forbidden country in the world.

In ISG, I am only sharing my experience with you people, instead of racing the races. They are like tablets, just getting the necessary information instead of reading an essay or success stories without knowing how they get to that level. People need that critical important info about places and strategies. Because they have only limited time. This is what I think.

If you are curious about my success rate, you may read my initial reports about the places, and clubs and take a guess. I understand that you are good at analyzing stuff.

Also, if you are planning to visit Minsk, I'd happy to show you around. Last 2, 5 months I was not familiar with clubbing environment because of my BL girlfriend, who is a hard-working successful optometrist in Minsk Main Hospital. But still I could be considered as good wing-man to achieve your success rate goal.

PS. FYI, I've never paid my GF 100 200USD / pop, if you want to know how I get such a Gr. 9 girl, mentally and physically, you may read my previous reports about long term strategies. .

Take care.

CanD

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy; 1284221]Hey Jojosun,

I honestly know nothing about Brest. I don't believe I have even met anyone from there. Let me ask you, when you took the train from Lithuania to Belarus did you already have a visa or did you get it at the border? Also, if you visit Brest and Minsk do you have to register with the police in both cities?[/QUOTE]I see there is a very good report from one of the experts (Borderland) on Brest.

Borderland did an excellent report as well on Tiraspol. But I think he seems to go offline every time he is in LTR, so he said.

I took the bus from Vilnius to Minsk. It was about 33 Lit.

Very cheap and only few hours on the bus. There were some stories about trains in EE countries not as safe as buses, especially at night. Is there a train from Vilnius to Minsk?

I got a Visa from The Belarussian Embassy in London. I had to show them the Hotel Booking Voucher, and I think the Return Airline Ticket.

But you couldn't extend it, if you wanted.

Hotel Planeta did the registration for me. So I imagine the hotel that I will be staying at in Brest will be doing the same.

My one time staying in an Apartment post Berlin wall was in Kaunas, Lithuania.

Never again in that place, and avoid that city.

BTW I thought the 2 girls were different?

It must be all the Perry I am drinking in a very nice Place in Chelsea on a beautiful day.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=East Explorer; 1283884]With much amusement I am reading the Minsk forum which suddenly has become alive like never before.

I have been quite successful in clubs, but also use mamba and vk for some change. VK is not anymore a good option because since last year it is not possible to hide all the people in the friend list. So if a girl sees that I have +200 good looking girls and no guys in my friend list, she will start to ask some difficult questions. The only thing I have yet to try is to approach beautiful girls on the streets as Russian men do. This is actually one of the few characteristics that I admire on Russian men![/QUOTE]Dear East Explorer,

You are right, when chicks see +200 friends in your profile they get suspicious. But, I am happy to inform you that you can hide your some or all friends. Please follow the path written below.

For the English version: [B] 1) My Settings (on the left pane 10th item).2) Privacy (2nd Tab at top).3) Who is visible in my list of friends and followed users (7th item from top) , [/B]

You can select to hide people.

[B]"Approaching beautiful girls on streets like Russians or Belorussians"[/B] Strategy, I think it is working in Minsk. I 've never tried, because I am a little shy for such acts, however, when I was with Danish Traveler, he showed me some demonstration about his strategy. His action plan was based on this idea and it was working. Of course success rate was not high after serial of attempts, you may have a chance to meet with real hotties (gr 8-9) at the end of day. Good thing, girls are not overreacting, refusing politely.

May be, when Danish Traveler finishes his trip to Ukraine, he may update us about the tricks of his game, how it works in Minsk.

Take Care,

CanD

Jojosun and CanadianBoy

I am planing to visit Brest and Gomel for 3-4 days after 15th June. I will update the forum regarding my experiences.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy; 1284221]Hey Jojosun,

I honestly know nothing about Brest. I don't believe I have even met anyone from there. Let me ask you, when you took the train from Lithuania to Belarus did you already have a visa or did you get it at the border? Also, if you visit Brest and Minsk do you have to register with the police in both cities?[/QUOTE]CanadianBoy,

I've been informed that 5 day rule is valid for the foreigner who are traveling in BL also. My BL friends told me, with in 5 day, if I plan to stay longer, I need to report Police department with an official document clearly shows where I live. When I asked how I will prove my date of arrival, they said with bus, train ticket. But I have no idea if I go there with a private car, how this system will work. Still I am searching exact info, when I get, I will update you guys.

Take care,

CanD

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1284259]I see there is a very good report from one of the experts (Borderland) on Brest.

Borderland did an excellent report as well on Tiraspol. But I think he seems to go offline every time he is in LTR, so he said.

I took the bus from Vilnius to Minsk. It was about 33 Lit.

Very cheap and only few hours on the bus. There were some stories about trains in EE countries not as safe as buses, especially at night. Is there a train from Vilnius to Minsk?

I got a Visa from The Belarussian Embassy in London. I had to show them the Hotel Booking Voucher, and I think the Return Airline Ticket.

But you couldn't extend it, if you wanted.

Hotel Planeta did the registration for me. So I imagine the hotel that I will be staying at in Brest will be doing the same.

My one time staying in an Apartment post Berlin wall was in Kaunas, Lithuania.

Never again in that place, and avoid that city.

BTW I thought the 2 girls were different?

It must be all the Perry I am drinking in a very nice Place in Chelsea on a beautiful day.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Correction on the above, re visas.

At the BL Embassy in London, I just needed to show them the hotel booking Voucher for hotel Planeta in Minsk. The exact days booked, and the date when I arrived.

Didn't need to show them the Air Return Ticket to Kaunas, Lithuania.

From Vilnius I went by Bus to Minsk. No problem at all at the border.

Here is an update on the subject we discussed, re god alternative places in Eastern Europe.

I had this place on my mind for a long time. Today I see our friend Fawie has updated info on this town Bendery in Transdinster, in the Moldova Thread.

I Took the Liberty of copying and pasting it. See what you think of it as an alternative to Minsk.

[QUOTE]FAWIE. But I have found a undiscovered treasure which I want to share with you all, Bendery, the ladies are far more social-able and less stuck up then Chisinau, the place is uber cheap, and as I say the people are just plan friendly, in the 3 yearss I have been making it a regular place for me I have made friends never once been robbed conned or had one pulled over me, the chicks are happy to meet a foreigner, it is a great over all place, chisinau 10 years ago we can say.

If you choose to make a trip it is not that hard a taxi will take you for like 400 lei maybe less, you can rent a decent appt for about $25 a night and when your done head back to chisinau, but look your not going to go there 15 minutes bag a lady bang her and head back it does take some work and you need to do the ground work before you go but that is not too hard, your first port of call in the evening should be city bar great place cheap drinks and the finest honeys you can imagine, feel free to strike up a convo, as long as you do not make it obvious your there for one thing only you should in a day or 2 get some va va voom.

Most will take modlovan lei hoever I suggest you head into a sheriff market and convert your lei into thier roubles you will get a better rate then paying direct in the bars with lei.

ANyway thought I would share a bit, happy mongering any q's about bendery just PM me![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cand1980; 1284262]Jojosun and CanadianBoy

I am planing to visit Brest and Gomel for 3-4 days after 15th June. I will update the forum regarding my experiences.

Take care,

CanD[/QUOTE]Many Thanks.

Regards,

JoJo

Does anyone have a scoop on what's it like in Minsk first two weeks in June? I get impression from talking with girls that students have their exams up until end of June. And in terms of tourists (like us) , is everyone coming in June or later months in the summer?. Thanks

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1284259]I see there is a very good report from one of the experts (Borderland) on Brest.

Very cheap and only few hours on the bus. There were some stories about trains in EE countries not as safe as buses, especially at night. Is there a train from Vilnius to Minsk?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Dear [B]Jojosun[/B],

Generally when I need to a train I am using this site to check the timetable. As per my previous experiences, it seems listed trips and dates are correct.

Here the link for the trains BTW [B]Minsk and Vilnius[/B]

[url]http://www.allbelarus.com/services/train/vilnius.shtm[/url]

Here is the link for other locations from Minsk.

[url]http://www.allbelarus.com/services/train/[/url]

Take Care,

CanD

[QUOTE=Cand1980; 1284507]Dear [B]Jojosun[/B],

Generally when I need to a train I am using this site to check the timetable. As per my previous experiences, it seems listed trips and dates are correct.

Here the link for the trains BTW [B]Minsk and Vilnius[/B]

[url]http://www.allbelarus.com/services/train/vilnius.shtm[/url]

Here is the link for other locations from Minsk.

[url]http://www.allbelarus.com/services/train/[/url]

Take Care,

CanD[/QUOTE]Thank You.

[QUOTE=Jojosun;1283373]When EE girls come to visit you in Paris, how much does it cost you in terms of taking them out, clubbing, restaurants, drinks, taxis, metro.[/QUOTE]Had a 23 yo Belarus student at home this weekend, with who I was "relationship building" on internet since almost two year. She is on a Germany, France and Italy bus tour (her first trip in western Europe) and quitted the group to stay two days with me.

Saturday: meeting at 8 pm. Stroll to my favorite bar where we had 4 cocktail each on the terrace (was happy hour) , bill 40 €. Nocturnal romantic stroll to Notre Dame that lasted some two hours. Stop at a nice mexican place where we had three Coronas each + chip, salsa and guacamole, bill 45 €. Long romantic stroll to my home (I live near the Opera). Cost of the night in town: 85 €.

Sunday: wake up at 11am, tea at home, she wasn't hungry. Bus to her hotel (2 € each) so that she can change clothes. From her hotel, long stroll through picturesque areas, at 4 pm stop in a nice typical french brasserie near my home, she wasn't hungry, I had to force her to share with me one plate of frogs and one creme brulée, this with thow bottles of Chardonnais, bill 60 €. Back home for a wild fuck and more wine. At 11 pm, walk to a modest brasilian place with live music and great atmosphere, three beers each and some "casquinho de caranquejo" (crabmeat covered with manioc) , bill 42 €. Walk back home. Cost of the day: 110 €.

Monday (was vacation day here) : wake up at 11 am, cafe plus croissant at a cafe terrace, bill 12 €. Stroll and suntanning at the Louvre Gardens during two hours. Shopping to La Maison du Chocolat (high-end stuff) where I buy her as a gift some chocolate truffes, cost 28 €. Then stop in a cafe, one omelette for two and a bottle of rosé at the terrace, bill 34 €. Taxi to her hotel 10 €. Her bus leaves at 3 pm to Nice and then Italy. Long kiss goodbye. Cost of the day: 85 € (gift included)

Cost of the weekend: around 280 €. She sent an sms from the bus to say that she will be grateful forever for this weekend that was the most wonderful of her life.

As a side note: what great women Russian women are. Beside being honest, emotional, smart, cultured, witty, selfless, fun and great conversationalists, again and again I'm amazed by their liking for no-holds barred sex and their skills at oral. They are definitely the best and most enthousiastic blowers on the planet. It's literally amazing. There must be some special schools in Russia where they learn to suck dicks. She was with my cock like a starving dog in front of a roast chicken. No way to move her away from it, even by force (not that I tried too harshly though).

What a great weekend.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1286558]Had a 23 yo Belarus student at home this weekend.[/QUOTE]Just to add that despite the fact that she drinks beer and is modest in her tastes, she definitely wasn't a "gopotelka" (female gopnik) , but a 8+ cultured, elegant and smart girl with a rather good job in the gem business.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1286558]Had a 23 yo Belarus student at home this weekend, with who I was "relationship building" on internet since almost two year. She is on a Germany, France and Italy bus tour (her first trip in western Europe) and quitted the group to stay two days with me.

Saturday: meeting at 8 pm. Stroll to my favorite bar where we had 4 cocktail each on the terrace (was happy hour) , bill 40 €. Nocturnal romantic stroll to Notre Dame that lasted some two hours. Stop at a nice mexican place where we had three Coronas each + chip, salsa and guacamole, bill 45 €. Long romantic stroll to my home (I live near the Opera). Cost of the night in town: 85 €.

Sunday: wake up at 11am, tea at home, she wasn't hungry. Bus to her hotel (2 € each) so that she can change clothes. From her hotel, long stroll through picturesque areas, at 4 pm stop in a nice typical french brasserie near my home, she wasn't hungry, I had to force her to share with me one plate of frogs and one creme brulée, this with thow bottles of Chardonnais, bill 60 €. Back home for a wild fuck and more wine. At 11 pm, walk to a modest brasilian place with live music and great atmosphere, three beers each and some "casquinho de caranquejo" (crabmeat covered with manioc) , bill 42 €. Walk back home. Cost of the day: 110 €.

Monday (was vacation day here) : wake up at 11 am, cafe plus croissant at a cafe terrace, bill 12 €. Stroll and suntanning at the Louvre Gardens during two hours. Shopping to La Maison du Chocolat (high-end stuff) where I buy her as a gift some chocolate truffes, cost 28 €. Then stop in a cafe, one omelette for two and a bottle of rosé at the terrace, bill 34 €. Taxi to her hotel 10 €. Her bus leaves at 3 pm to Nice and then Italy. Long kiss goodbye. Cost of the day: 85 € (gift included)

Cost of the weekend: around 280 €. She sent an sms from the bus to say that she will be grateful forever for this weekend that was the most wonderful of her life.

As a side note: what great women Russian women are. Beside being honest, . Emotional, smart, cultured, witty, selfless, fun and great conversationalists, again and again I'm amazed by their liking for no-holds barred sex and their skills at oral. They are definitely the best and most enthousiastic blowers on the planet. It's literally amazing. There must be some special schools in Russia where they learn to suck dicks. She was with my cock like a starving dog in front of a roast chicken. No way to move her away from it, even by force (not that I tried too harshly though).

What a great weekend.[/QUOTE]Hi Prosal,

Yes I can imagine you and her had a great time. Well Paris is on the Radar for every girl who hasn't been to Western Europe before.

I have been to Paris many times, and I know that there are loads of places where good bargains and good times can be had at reasonable prices.

Same thing in London, which has the reputation as one of the most expensive cities in the World.

The only thing about London which puts me off inviting girls over, is the Hotel Costs which are really expensive.

And being attached at present doesn't help either.

The 2 lovely students from Minsk wanted to come over to London.

But the thing is, I need to send them an invitation letter to get a Uk visa.

And the first thing the British Embassy will look at, is the age gap of more than 20 years between us. And another thing with me being married and they are single young students. There is no way they will grant them a visa.

I have an ex English girlfriend who does Bed and Breakfast in her home in an upmarket Location in London, but still I need to pay her for 2 single rooms or 1 double.

Had I been single or unattached, I would have got BL girls or Ukrainian girls to visit me in London.

Then the cost for me will be a lot cheaper than entertaining my American Females.

On a side note. My JoJo home team are seriously considering the option of.

Stopping at Tashkent on the Way to the Far East next Winter.

The best way to do it is on Uzbekistan Airlines from London, with 2 stopovers at Tashkent on both legs of the journey.

A good combination of Culture and mongering on the side for me, when I get the chance to get away.

Cheers.

Could be different in Belarus but I doubt it. Thing are usually wrapped up for Uni students after the first week of June. The graduating class is gone by the end of May.

Major cities tend to empty of students as they head back home or go on vacation for the summer.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ;1284353]Does anyone have a scoop on what's it like in Minsk first two weeks in June? I get impression from talking with girls that students have their exams up until end of June. And in terms of tourists (like us) , is everyone coming in June or later months in the summer?. Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1286737]I have been to Paris many times, and I know that there are loads of places where good bargains and good times can be had at reasonable prices.

Same thing in London, which has the reputation as one of the most expensive cities in the World.[/QUOTE]Same in Moscow or Piter by the way (and I guess in Minsk also). No need to go to ridiculously expensive glam venues to have fun. You can have in mid-level places a uber fun night out with multiple drinks for two for 100 €. I am not stingy, but if a girl tries to drag me to an high-end club where cocktails cost 15€, I write her off immediatly, there is thousands over thousands other girls available who will be happy to be treated in fun but unpretentious places.

Tashkent is damn cheap by the way, maybe the cheapest in FSU (maybe along with Turkmenistan).

PS: don't know why I initially posted that my Belarus was still a student on the weekend costs report, my bad, she now works as I said as a side note.

Two Belarussian girls that I treated in a georgian restaurant in Paris a few months ago:

[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1286885]Could be different in Belarus but I doubt it. Thing are usually wrapped up for Uni students after the first week of June. The graduating class is gone by the end of May.

Major cities tend to empty of students as they head back home or go on vacation for the summer.[/QUOTE]Don't poke your nose here and talk about a city you never been to, giving advice.

Get your Ass back to the Ukraine forum, you have lot to answer there.

Belarus doesn't need your kind of custom.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1286998]Same in Moscow or Piter by the way (and I guess in Minsk also). No need to go to ridiculously expensive glam venues to have fun. You can have in mid-level places a uber fun night out with multiple drinks for two for 100 €. I am not stingy, but if a girl tries to drag me to an high-end club where cocktails cost 15€, I write her off immediatly, there is thousands over thousands other girls available who will be happy to be treated in fun but unpretentious places.

Tashkent is damn cheap by the way, maybe the cheapest in FSU (maybe along with Turkmenistan).

PS: don't know why I initially posted that my Belarus was still a student on the weekend costs report, my bad, she now works as I said as a side note.

Two Belarussian girls that I treated in a georgian restaurant in Paris a few months ago:[/QUOTE]What puts me off Moscow are the stories one reads here about the Militia and the drunken Russian thugs with a chip on their shoulders towards westerners seen with Russian Women. And secondly the hassle with the visa.

It also means I need to fly direct there. At present I get such bargains on Raynair and wizzair to many destinations in the EE.

But like I told Canadian Boy I am going to Try Kaliningrad first. Poland next door.

In Minsk I hardly saw the Police there unlike Kiev. I also felt very safe and relaxed in a very strange way in MINSK.

Next time I would like to try the country villages.

Funny you mention the Georgian Restaurant in Paris, because one of my favourite food is Georgian. Tried it few times in London. .

There is a very good Georgian, I think the only one in Kensington near the Lycee.

Also in Kiev. And I am sure in Minsk as well.

Saw a lot of Georgian mongers in westworld club in Minsk. So I guess it can't be that good for mongring in Tiblisi.

My home Jojos are really excited about Tashkent, they are reading all about it.

It doesn't sound suspicous to them, as a mongering potential.

BTW I have queried the accuracy of the report by the London Evening Standard on the prices quoted in their covering of tashkent. They merely said that those prices were paid by their Travel Editor.

It must be that he was loading it on his expenses.

Thanks for your list of prices there.

Yeah it does look cheap. .

Of course all of this depending on Iran and the Mullahs there with their Nuclear Turbans. Uzbekistan is close to any would be action.

Then where would we hide?

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Jojosun, you have nothing to worry about as a foreigner in Minks. Kiev is safe too, plenty of tourists there. Same for Moscow, just use common sense as you would in any big city.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ;1291154]Jojosun, you have nothing to worry about as a foreigner in Minks. Kiev is safe too, plenty of tourists there. Same for Moscow, just use common sense as you would in any big city.[/QUOTE]Thank You.

Been There, Done That.

Was just talking about present days in Moscow.

Here is a list of strip clubs in Minsk:

[url]http://www.relax.by/cat/ent/clubs/.mtype-187.cook-null.opt-133[/url]

Has anyone been to any one of them? Is takeout available, prices?

[QUOTE=Sean EZ; 1291491]Here is a list of strip clubs in Minsk:

[url]http://www.relax.by/cat/ent/clubs/.mtype-187.cook-null.opt-133[/url]

Has anyone been to any one of them? Is takeout available, prices?[/QUOTE].

Been to 3 Strip Clubs.

1, The one at the time in Planeta Hotel.

2, At jublinegney Hotel (Spelling?).

3 The club in the same building as West World Club.

Was impressed by the qualtiy of the girls at the time. A lot of touching was allowed.

Hakan Demir reported a bit further down on another strip club where a friend of his had F / S in the jacuzzi on site.

I didn't ask any of the strippers for take out.

I don't think it will be very much in your face, like say Rio Club in Kiev.

You can try asking one of the girls to meet you later on or next day.

No harm in Trying.

I will go for it next time.

Thanks a lot for the info.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1291536].

Been to 3 Strip Clubs.

1, The one at the time in Planeta Hotel.

2, At jublinegney Hotel (Spelling?).

3 The club in the same building as West World Club.

Was impressed by the qualtiy of the girls at the time. A lot of touching was allowed.

Hakan Demir reported a bit further down on another strip club where a friend of his had F / S in the jacuzzi on site.

I didn't ask any of the strippers for take out.

I don't think it will be very much in your face, like say Rio Club in Kiev.

You can try asking one of the girls to meet you later on or next day.

No harm in Trying.

I will go for it next time.

Thanks a lot for the info.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE}. I had been to Dankoff strip club a couple of times which I liked very much and I spent great time &1069; &1088; &1080; &1082; &1072; in the Jacuzzi.

I did not ask for take-out but it was a small club with very nice ladies.

[url]http://www.dankoffclub.by/strip/.[/url]

[QUOTE]. Hakan Demir.

See report 422.

Hakan said " He had CBJ for US$50" at Dankoff club.

This club is worth investigating.

My Thanks to Hakan Demir for this v good Tip.

Jojosun, thanks very much for replies, I'll try to check one or two of them out this week and will report back

Disco next Wednesday night: not many people but enough girls (about 30) to have fun. Not only turkish as many people say but people from everywhere. I spent the night with a Russian friend and we have known almost all the girls. The level IMO was 4-7 with some 8 (I refer level 4 at that fat girls standing there probably for turkish taste). The atmosphere in Minsk is inexplicable, it seems that you go back 15 years. I came back to my apartment with a girl. She told me: "we go with my car, sorry is small and very old" and I remembered the same situation in Kiev when we went back with a Mercedes. The devaluation made Belarus poor (not cheap) but people, as happen in many poor country, are not scroungers. Continue.

After a week in Minsk, I can say that this is a good destination if you like gf experience. Here is very easy to know girls. Discotecs, internet (mamba works very well and there are other websites too) , in the street you can know easily all the girls that make eye contact with you and you don't need to be Brad Pit but only have an appropriate behavior. People here are very educated and respectful and they expect the same from you.

In the other hand, if you like the p4p, probably this is not your destination, not because there isn't but because, at the half price or more easily, you can find what you want in a FKK or in Kiev.

P. S. Checked the dankoff (it seems to be only an streptease but probably, if you spend many money, you can open other doors, but it is not value for money. Cheers

[QUOTE=Ivanvlad; 1299936]After a week in Minsk, I can say that this is a good destination if you like gf experience. Here is very easy to know girls. Discotecs, internet (mamba works very well and there are other websites too) , in the street you can know easily all the girls that make eye contact with you and you don't need to be Brad Pit but only have an appropriate behavior. People here are very educated and respectful and they expect the same from you.

In the other hand, if you like the p4p, probably this is not your destination, not because there isn't but because, at the half price or more easily, you can find what you want in a FKK or in Kiev.

P. S. Checked the dankoff (it seems to be only an streptease but probably, if you spend many money, you can open other doors, but it is not value for money. Cheers[/QUOTE]I agree with you. P4P is not terrific in Minsk and much better in, say, Kiev. Belarusian girls are a different breed of slavic. While they are more than willing to let you buy them gifts, take them for dinner to Grand Cafe in exchange for sex, if you try to offer many of them straight up money for sex they will lose their temper and take a lot of reassuring to calm down. They may even chose to stop speaking with you. It's peculiar how they have it their minds that there is a difference but it does and one must regard it seriously. I believe it is because they need to be able to look at themselves in the mirror. However, once you have earned their trust they will be purring in your ear and sending you countless SMS. This fact is a major difference between Belarusian and Ukrainian women, in my experience, anyway. I learned this the hard way and it proved a valuable lesson.

In order to meet girls in Belarus it's ok to be in a hotel or it's best to rent a flat?

Don't think that a hotel has any advantages over an appartment if it isn'T a particulary luxurious one.

BTW. Does anyone have a good inexpensive appartment agency / website?

[QUOTE=Frulindo; 1301800]Don't think that a hotel has any advantages over an appartment if it isn'T a particulary luxurious one.

BTW. Does anyone have a good inexpensive appartment agency / website?[/QUOTE]In my opinion, apartments are better than hotels for a few reasons. With an apartment there is zero chance of any problems bringing a girl over and an apartment is much cheaper in the long run than a hotel. On the plus side for staying at a hotel, unless you speak Russian, they can always call a taxi for you which in the long run is much cheaper than flagging one down on the street. As for cheap apartments in Minsk, they are not easy to find for foreigners. Even if you do find one they must be willing to help you get a visa unless you go through a tourist agency. Any cheap apartments I was offered by my friends were outside of the city center, not very nice and even then they were not cheap. In Minsk it is better to be in the center unless you are fluent in Russian or know Minsk very well. Remember, the farther you are away from the center the more you must rely on public transportation (which is cheap and efficient in Minsk) and taxi's which are almost always looking to take advantage. However, as money is not much of an issue with me when traveling, I admit I did not search considerably for cheaper options in Minsk.

Hello,

I'm not new on te forum I will RTFF but in next week I will travel to Minsk with two friends and all tips from people who know Minsk are more than welcome.

If somebody want I can't help with tips about travel to China (Chang Ping) or to Poland but in some short time some tips is more than welcome.

Jacher

Hi,

I'm currently visiting Minsk for the first time, looking to meet up with any members for a drink, to discuss the local scene.

I'm staying with local "girlfriend" just outside the center of Minsk. (she is cool with my mongering and is even willing to help translate).

I'm Canadian with a lot of interesting experiences world wide and would be happy to share my stories.

Cheers,

BigChocolate

Hi BigChocolate,

I'm in Minsk right now. I would share some local experience as well as some girls with you. Can you please contact me as soon as possible?

I guess, I have some really good prepositions for you.

Thanks,

Andrew

Hi Big and Ann.

Will you please contact me or clean your messages so I could contact you. I arrive in Minsk on Saturday and stay 10 days.

Best Regards.

Lars

Just wanted to give a heads up that a diplomatic war between Sweden and Belarus has escallated into that Belarus will close down its embassy in Stockholm Sweden, and Sweden will close its Embassy in Minsk.

Both at end of August as it seems now. Likely EU will take action and the conflict might deepen. More embassies might be affected. It started after Belarus kicked out the Swedish embassador, and Sweden responded with refusing the new Belarussian embassador to work in Sweden, and also kicking out two other embassy staff. Next step Belarus withdraw the rights of the Swedish embassy in Minsk and expelled the staff and told them to pack and go home by end of August.

Its also probably connected to the teddy bear fiasco for the Belarus Government and Batka aka Lukasjenka.

So, it will be trickier for us Scandinavians in the future to get visas and stuff. Shite! And who knows where this leads.

Cheers and happy hunting gentlemen!

/Felix

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic;1313120]Just wanted to give a heads up that a diplomatic war between Sweden and Belarus has escallated into that Belarus will close down its embassy in Stockholm Sweden, and Sweden will close its Embassy in Minsk.[/QUOTE]Jesus, next the missiles will fly. I guess the Swedish left wing just had to have a million opinions about Belarus, and Mr L finally had enough of nose poking from the "we know best"-people. Or did the Swedish ambassador get caught doing something he should not do?

Well mate, there is always UA.

B.

[QUOTE=Barba; 1313198]Jesus, next the missiles will fly. I guess the Swedish left wing just had to have a million opinions about Belarus, and Mr L finally had enough of nose poking from the "we know best"-people. Or did the Swedish ambassador get caught doing something he should not do?

Well mate, there is always UA.

B.[/QUOTE]Swedish embassador was accused of talking and meeting with the opposition. Its said the Belarus "government had been irritated" at Sweden for some time due to differen democracy programs. So, the Swedish embassador was expelled. It also was quite embarassing for the Belarus regime that an aeroplane could fly in over Belarus without permission, and it was swedes who did so, and drop those cute teddy bears with messages. Like islamists, as for an example with the mohammend drawings, some think this must be government sanctioned because it happened, and the whole country must suffer. There is no doubt that the Swedish embassador talked with the opposition, and it was in his mission. Both talks with the government and the opposition. Wanker Batka did of course not like this and he sacked the chief of the border control and the air force, after the teddy bear drop. To show he is control. Now he is playing poker, and he knows he got the support by Mr Putin, aka Pussy Riot hater, and he can be cocky to the west. After all the most important for Lukasjenka is to remain in power, if even he prostitute himself and his people. Lets take the building of a new nuclear power plant in Belarus as an example. This N power plant will deliver something like 80% of the energy to Russia. But its needed, by force, for Belarus to get a loan from Russia to save its bankrupt economy. And to save Batka from loosing power.

All this could make it complicated for us in the future regaring visas etc. I can't tell for sure, but its a bit of smoke and fire.

Ukraine (if thats what you mean) , well, it still exists, but its an expensive shithole IMHO. Belarus is so much better for girls IMHO.

Just a heads up on what is going on.

Cheers and happy pussy hunting my friend! .

/Felix

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1313570]Ukraine (if thats what you mean) , well, it still exists, but its an expensive shithole IMHO. Belarus is so much better for girls IMHO.

Just a heads up on what is going on.

Cheers and happy pussy hunting my friend! .

/Felix[/QUOTE]Why do you think Ukraine is an expensive shithole? You can get cheap flights from Europe, no visa required and reasonably priced apartments.

Belarus is better for Girls in terms of freebies or p4p?

[QUOTE=Danish Traveler;1313015]I am here in minsk for a week. Write me your number and we can meet up and I give you the inside scoop. It is my sixth time in Minsk. But just learn Russian and tryto understand the Russian mentality and it will get so much easier.[/QUOTE]How is the situation over there? Is it safe to travel? Will soon be there. Any buddy in Minsk next week? Please send me PM.

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1301613]I agree with you. P4P is not terrific in Minsk and much better in, say, Kiev. Belarusian girls are a different breed of slavic. While they are more than willing to let you buy them gifts, take them for dinner to Grand Cafe in exchange for sex, if you try to offer many of them straight up money for sex they will lose their temper and take a lot of reassuring to calm down. They may even chose to stop speaking with you. It's peculiar how they have it their minds that there is a difference but it does and one must regard it seriously. I believe it is because they need to be able to look at themselves in the mirror. However, once you have earned their trust they will be purring in your ear and sending you countless SMS. This fact is a major difference between Belarusian and Ukrainian women, in my experience, anyway. I learned this the hard way and it proved a valuable lesson.[/QUOTE]That sounds good. Any advice where to meet a girl in Misnk? Will be my first time there.

[QUOTE=Immy007; 1313735]Why do you think Ukraine is an expensive shithole? You can get cheap flights from Europe, no visa required and reasonably priced apartments.

Belarus is better for Girls in terms of freebies or p4p?[/QUOTE]Ok, I probably expressed myself a bit bold about Ukraine. I think those with a good network and hard work in general can score really well in Ukraine, provided YOU are smart of course. In Ukraine sex tourism is far more developed due to the reasons you mentioned. What you may save on costs for Visa and a flight, you will in return pay a lot more for when meeting girls. Girls knows this and there are a lot of scammers as well. Ukraine is over hunted so to say. One might say that about Belarus as well, byt yet its like comparing A league to C or D. Quite different.

I have read quite a few threads, and participated in some about the sex tourism in Kiev, where some mongerers spend so much money on girls that it is totally insane. Men go to Kiev and pay western prices for sex. How smart is that on a scale from 1 to 10? I feel its hard to score with a really hot freebie, or get a really beautiful girl to sponsor in Ukraine. At least IMHO. Others might think different.

So, there is no need for me to go to Ukraine. Now I'm also getting serious with a girl, and thats another reason. Still needs to see if that relation will work. Still that does not stop me totally from some fun. The two girls in the photo are 21 and 19 and from Minsk. I had them for 3 hours for USD 200 in total in July. Weather was so warm (+32) that the chocolate for our summer sex party got really soft. The older girl, to the left, I did for USD 50 for the whole night last year. Now she is a lot more seasoned, more professional and more cold. If you catch them as fresh ones, you can get really nice sponsor deals.

The 21 year old girl was kind enough to come together with her 19 year old girlfriend which she told was ready to get introduced for her first threesome. They are not top beauties (21 year old 7 and 19 year old an 8) but that 19 year old girl was really fresh meat, and so sweet and innocent. Total GFE and so eager to please! She went really happy when I gave her attention, and her smile and kisses were hot and romantic like if I was her real boyfriend. She could not constrain herself. Oh heavenly joy! . When 21 year old teacher went online on my laptop top find music, I pulled out my dick and then I lifted the 19 year old to sit on me in only her panties, and I rubbed my dick on her panty covered pussy and she started to massage me with her pussy. She got all wet and I pulled her panty to the side and my dick rubbed her bare pussy. By part accident, only partly, my dick slid into her pussy and she started to move, and push up and down. All bareback in her wet pussy, and she was so eager to please. For a few mins she did me cow girl BB, and the other girl was totally consumed by internet and music. I did not mind.

When we got into the bed room for the threesome initiation it was of course quite interesting to listen to the instructiuons 21 year old girl gave her younger girlfriend. Great oral and sex session, but of course this time it was covered sex as the teacher told her she must only do covered intercourse. The 19 year old girl listened very carefully. Nice to kiss one girl while the other sucked my dick, and then I made them swap. I also stacked them on top of each other and did them doggy going from pussy to pussy. Not bad at all.

Cheers and happy hunting gentlemen!

/Felix

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic;1313815].I pulled out my dick and then I lifted the 19 year old to sit on me in only her panties, and I rubbed my dick on her panty covered pussy and she started to massage me with her pussy. She got all wet and I pulled her panty to the side and my dick rubbed her bare pussy. By part accident, only partly, my dick slid into her pussy and she started to move, and push up and down. All bareback in her wet pussy, and she was so eager to please.[/QUOTE]Thanks Mr North! Your story gave me a boner. By autumn this national cat fight will hopefully have cooled off so I can go to Belarus again. This time for some real punani.

Cheers!

Barba on his way to SEA

In the hotel Yubileiny, there are lots of girls in the bar (from around 8 PM).

They want to have 200 $ per hour. When you tell them that this is too much they come down to 200 $ per "night", I. E. Until around 4-5 AM. Any thoughts? I made bad experience when I had to bargain the price down. And, isn't 200 $ too much for Belarus? That's what you pay in Poland. But Belarus. Come on!

Also, there is no safe in the room. How can one have a girl for "the night" if the money and passport is in the room? A little to un-safe, isn't it?

[QUOTE=Michi T; 1316201]In the hotel Yubileiny, there are lots of girls in the bar (from around 8 PM).

They want to have 200 $ per hour. When you tell them that this is too much they come down to 200 $ per "night", I. E. Until around 4-5 AM. Any thoughts? I made bad experience when I had to bargain the price down. And, isn't 200 $ too much for Belarus? That's what you pay in Poland. But Belarus. Come on!

Also, there is no safe in the room. How can one have a girl for "the night" if the money and passport is in the room? A little to un-safe, isn't it?[/QUOTE]Never seen any good looking Hoes in there. Of course US$200 is too much.

Have you seen any good looking wgs in there?

If you do see one that is really attractive give her maximum US$ 100 all night.

Bear in mind if you are staying at the hotel? The girl pays about Us$ 20 to the security guy.

Why not just cross the river and head to West world club, much younger and cheaper pros, semi pros, and freebies.

More wgs at the bar in Hotel Planeta. Bargain hard.

Very good strip club at this hotel BTW, also at the complex where west world club is located.

Keep us tuned in.

[QUOTE=Michi T; 1316201]In the hotel Yubileiny, there are lots of girls in the bar (from around 8 PM).

They want to have 200 $ per hour. When you tell them that this is too much they come down to 200 $ per "night", I. E. Until around 4-5 AM. Any thoughts? I made bad experience when I had to bargain the price down. And, isn't 200 $ too much for Belarus? That's what you pay in Poland. But Belarus. Come on!

Also, there is no safe in the room. How can one have a girl for "the night" if the money and passport is in the room? A little to un-safe, isn't it?[/QUOTE]Club Next in Minsk might be a better option. But in general hookers is not a good value in Belarus. Germany / Bulgaria / Poland is a better value. Belarus is good for courting pretty girls long term. Agreed 200 dollars given the current exchange rate is nuts.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1316216]Never seen any good looking Hoes in there. Of course US$200 is too much.

Have you seen any good looking wgs in there?

If you do see one that is really attractive give her maximum US$ 100 all night.

Bear in mind if you are staying at the hotel? The girl pays about Us$ 20 to the security guy.

Why not just cross the river and head to West world club, much younger and cheaper pros, semi pros, and freebies.

More wgs at the bar in Hotel Planeta. Bargain hard.

Very good strip club at this hotel BTW, also at the complex where west world club is located.

Keep us tuned in.[/QUOTE]
Working girls in the Yubileiny.

Oh yes, one working girl in Yubileiny was very sexy. She had no bra and the niples very vey visible. I could have bargained down from 200 $ to 125 $ but as you said. 100 $ was the maximum for me (having in mind the salaries here in Belarus). And yes, I am staying at the hotel. The wgs told me the same: They must pay about 20 $ to security and the floor girl.

This morning at the breakfast, I saw two wgs with old fat ugly guys having breakfast. That means they found some sponsors for the night. The girls did not even look at me (probably becasue I didn't want to pay them their outrageous "salary"?). I wonder if the breakfast is included for the girls or if you have to pay for them.
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Security issues with overnight girls.

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Civilian girls in Minsk.

Minsk is a complete disaster so far. Almost impossible to have a longer talk with civilian girls on the street, in the restaurant, in the supermarket. I believe they are not used to foreign tourists.
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Strategy for civilian girls.

Which strategy do you guys follow when you are on your own in Minsk? Which clubs, pubs, discos are within walking distance from the hotel Yubileiny? The West World Club which was mentioned: Is this just accross the river in the building where it says "casino" and is visible from the hotel?
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General impression on Minsk.

Forget everything which you read and hear in the Internet. Minsk is a normal city just like any other city. No secret service, no other dangerous things for you as a normal tourist. Even walking at night is safe and no problem at all. On the other hand, Minsk is an extremely boring city. There is no much to do and not really touristic. English, by the way, was no issue so far. There is always somebody who can help you. People are genererally open and helpful when you ask them for directions and advice.
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Any buddy in Minsk right now?

And finally, is there any body in Minsk right now?

[QUOTE=Michi T; 1316201]In the hotel Yubileiny, there are lots of girls in the bar (from around 8 PM).

They want to have 200 $ per hour. When you tell them that this is too much they come down to 200 $ per "night", I. E. Until around 4-5 AM. Any thoughts? I made bad experience when I had to bargain the price down. And, isn't 200 $ too much for Belarus? That's what you pay in Poland. But Belarus. Come on!

Also, there is no safe in the room. How can one have a girl for "the night" if the money and passport is in the room? A little to un-safe, isn't it?[/QUOTE]Michi T,

Why are you using the girls at Yubileiny Hotel? In fact, you need not use hookers at all in Minsk. What is more, 200-per hour is ludacris. They are taking advantage of you (and clearly they are seasoned pro's). When I was in Minsk last May I had an 18-year old beauty bouncing around my flat nude for 100 USD for two hours. She wouldn't stop sending me text messages wanting to meet me. Use the internet. There are much, much better options, trust me.

[QUOTE=Michi T; 1316363].

Strategy for civilian girls.

Which strategy do you guys follow when you are on your own in Minsk? Which clubs, pubs, discos are within walking distance from the hotel Yubileiny? The West World Club which was mentioned: Is this just accross the river in the building where it says "casino" and is visible from the hotel?[/QUOTE]West World club is just across from your hotel on the other side of the river. Next to Hotel Belarus. Go there day time and have a look around.

At night I just got a Taxi, didn't fancy crossing the bridge at night.

Its a huge club with a mixed crowd. Go early in the evening and give a good tip to one of the waiteresses and ask her to get you a good table close to the dance floor.

Dress up for the evening and plonk a good bottle of drink on your table. Trust me the girls will land on your table. A lot of students, freebies out to have a good time, semi pros, and of course the hard WGS. Ignore hardend hoes, simply not worth it in Minsk.

Next to your hotel just up the hill try hotel Planeta the bar and the club. .

Try your luck with the girls at the strip Clubs. There was one good club at your hotel.

Leave your valuables at the Hotel's safe.

How long are you there for?

Good Luck.

This Minsk is somewhat of the most boring cities for mongering. There is simply no possibility. And in Internet I don't know any dating sites for Minsk.

[QUOTE=Michi T;1316534]This Minsk is somewhat of the most boring cities for mongering. There is simply no possibility. And in Internet I don't know any dating sites for Minsk.[/QUOTE]Check The Belarus thread. I left a couple of links.

I was in the Westworld Club last night and oh nooo, such a mistake. Entrance was with 50k BYR astronomicaly high. For me it's ok but still a waste of money. A beer cost 20k BYR which is also not nothing but also in this case for me ok and yet too expensive. The club was empty when I went there first at 11 PM. Went back to the club around 1 AM. And yet, the club was not even half full. No working girls at all, no semi pros either. Only a handfull locals who were into dancing. Over all only three nice girls seen. Two of them did not speak a single word of English and were not at all intereested in a conversation. The third one was there with a guy. Also the strip club on the ground floor was empty, not a single visitor there. Club Westworld was a waste of money and time.

[QUOTE=Michi T;1316726]I was in the Westworld Club last night and oh nooo, such a mistake. Entrance was with 50k BYR astronomicaly high. For me it's ok but still a waste of money. A beer cost 20k BYR which is also not nothing but also in this case for me ok and yet too expensive. The club was empty when I went there first at 11 PM. Went back to the club around 1 AM. And yet, the club was not even half full. No working girls at all, no semi pros either. Only a handfull locals who were into dancing. Over all only three nice girls seen. Two of them did not speak a single word of English and were not at all intereested in a conversation. The third one was there with a guy. Also the strip club on the ground floor was empty, not a single visitor there. Club Westworld was a waste of money and time.[/QUOTE]You couldn't have chosen a worse time to visit Minsk.

August is the time to find girls by the seaside in EE countries including Belarus. Students are away.

Blame it on you your planning and lack of research before heading there.

I don't recall anyone here saying Belarus is great for mongering. Its a different country, a different breed of girls, not so much in your face P4P.

Us$6 =50k"astronomicaly high " to pay for entrance to a club.

How much do you pay in your home country to get to a similar club?

"Gents, I want to visit Minsk in April / Mai / June (June would be best). I have no experience in this country (but very experienced in other countries). Does anyone want to join me? Please send me PM.".

Michi's post 3/12/12. In the travel announcements section. .

Second half of May, Early June would have been best for you.

Now you are there nearly 3 months later during the exodus from Minsk.

Also you get on the links to girls (Non Pros, semi) in Minsk or anywhere at least 2 months before you get there. .

Girls in Minsk don't juat suddenly drop from the Sky. It does need a bit of work and research.