Politics in the Dominican Republic

Thread Starter.

Fod, shut down in Puerto Plata. Santo Domingo crack down. Sosua has it's problems. Could the Dominican Republic be adjusting it's tourist strategy?

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]Fod, shut down in Puerto Plata.[/QUOTE]
Don't spread libellous rumors. It diminishes your standing on this board. FoD is not shut down. I was there this week and it is fully functioning with several guests staying there.

All that has happened is it has reverted to being a chica-friendly hotel as it was when Dominican Billy ran it and in accordance with what was agreed with the authorities when it opened. There has been no change of attitude by the authorities.

However it is an ideal time to negotiate hard for a good deal there as they have lost a lot of goodwill with all the changes of business plan.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]Could the Dominican Republic be adjusting it's tourist strategy?[/QUOTE]
I hope so but we have had many false dawns. A clean-up in So-sewer should be first thing on the agenda. Get rid of the pimps, drug-dealers, street-rats and pickpockets so that non-mongers are not deterred from visiting there and the town will flourish for the benefit of all, including responsible mongers. Don't hold your breath, though.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter]Don't spread libellous rumors. It diminishes your standing on this board. FoD is not shut down. I was there this week and it is fully functioning with several guests staying there.[/QUOTE]
As at this afternoon, Wednesday 21st July, ten rooms are occupied so Field of Dreams is more than breaking even, despite reduced room prices.

A bit different from being "shut down" as Mr Gogo posted.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter]However it is an ideal time to negotiate hard for a good deal there as they have lost a lot of goodwill with all the changes of business plan.
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Standard rooms are available at US$35 per night. Maybe you could get a little bit more shaved off for a longer stay but this is now near rock-bottom pricing.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter]As at this afternoon, Wednesday 21st July, ten rooms are occupied so Field of Dreams is more than breaking even, despite reduced room prices.

A bit different from being "shut down" as Mr Gogo posted.

Standard rooms are available at US$35 per night. Maybe you could get a little bit more shaved off for a longer stay but this is now near rock-bottom pricing.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you might be one of the new investors. The Puerto Plata Crew has always frowned on Sosua, hoping for it's demise. Also sir FOD was shut down as we know it. Anything less is just a hotel with a pool. I personally have had three chicas tell me that girls can't hang there. It's easy to flip words and insult others but I will not lower myself to that level with you.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]Sounds like you might be one of the new investors. The Puerto Plata Crew has always frowned on Sosua, hoping for it's demise. Also sir FOD was shut down as we know it. Anything less is just a hotel with a pool. I personally have had three chicas tell me that girls can't hang there. It's easy to flip words and insult others but I will not lower myself to that level with you.[/QUOTE]

Yes, its still open as a regular hotel but it was closed to chicas as of 7/14 when i was there. I cancelled for my reservation for that night thanks to the good intel I gleaned from ISG just before leaving for the trip. I spoke with a girl who used to work it there. She's a decent chica and I speak good Spanish. She told me it was her opinion that FOD wouldn't pay off the cops so they had it shut down as a chica bar. Her opinion not mine. On my way into BB's we stopped in for a few minutes to pay our respects to the dead, so to speak. Everybody I spoke with there told me the chicas were gone. Yes, you can still bring in your own but there were no chicas hanging out at the bar, the feature of this place.
My chica contact told me that the girls were often getting $2,500 pesos a pop and that many of the mongers were staying at the Playa Dorada complex across the street, sneaking away from the family, etc for a quick screw. These guys didn't know the economy and would often overpay. She said that Randall, the American ex-pat manager was doing a good job before he left and was making a serious effort to cross market as an added attraction to the sterile all inclusive scene nearby. The stripper bar was removed. Too bad, I was going to buy it and surrender the booty as tribute to BB's.

[QUOTE=Geolopes]Yes, its still open as a regular hotel but it was closed to chicas as of 7/14 when I was there. I cancelled for my reservation for that night thanks to the good intel I gleaned from ISG just before leaving for the trip. I spoke with a girl who used to work it there. She's a decent chica and I speak good Spanish. She told me it was her opinion that FOD wouldn't pay off the cops so they had it shut down as a chica bar. Her opinion not mine. On my way into BB's we stopped in for a few minutes to pay our respects to the dead, so to speak. Everybody I spoke with there told me the chicas were gone. Yes, you can still bring in your own but there were no chicas hanging out at the bar, the feature of this place.

My chica contact told me that the girls were often getting $2, 500 pesos a pop and that many of the mongers were staying at the Playa Dorada complex across the street, sneaking away from the family, etc for a quick screw. These guys didn't know the economy and would often overpay. She said that Randall, the American ex-pat manager was doing a good job before he left and was making a serious effort to cross market as an added attraction to the sterile all inclusive scene nearby. The stripper bar was removed. Too bad, I was going to buy it and surrender the booty as tribute to BB's.[/QUOTE]Location, location, location. The big monster(Playa Dorado) can't have it's all inclusive clientel spending money outside it's walls. That's called a defection. To be more specific defection of the peso's. Black Beard is the one and only. Half of the guys in Sosua were broke in at BB. Some people want to discriminate, and keep mongering only to a certain few. But these same mongerers that want loyalty have have no loyalty to BB, go figure. Black beard was my first and I always stop by to have a drink and say hello, even though I rarely saty there.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]Sounds like you might be one of the new investors.[/QUOTE]
Hi Mr Gogo

I don't want to argue with you. I have always enjoyed your posts and respected your opinions, but you shouldn't make sweeping statements or unfounded innuendos without having much idea of the facts. There is a big difference between a hotel being shut down and a hotel with 60% occupancy and better than breaking even (quite a difficult feat at present).

To correct your latest misrepresentations:
I am not an investor in Field of Dreams and I don't have enough spare cash to invest in a pica pollo stand. Also there are no "new investors" as far as I am aware. The ownership remains as it has been since reverting from the Cristal connection. It is being offered for sale, but that is not exactly a novelty on the North Coast. What isn't for sale?

I do have a remote interest in FoD in that I am an investor with Anoeca, the owners of Field of Dreams (which is how I am able, from time to time, to post the actual facts rather than bar-room gossip), so it is in my interest that all Anoeca's ventures flourish. However Field of Dreams represents only a very small part of Anoeca's holdings. It has hovered around the break-even point for many years so it's current fortunes are not affecting Anoeca's profitablility appreciably. Their new venture, the Roka Cabañas, is a great success and this is a vastly more profitable operation than FoD could ever be.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]Also sir FOD was shut down as we know it. Anything less is just a hotel with a pool.[/QUOTE]
With respect that simply shows that you must either be a relative newcomer to the North Coast or have a poor memory. Field of Dreams has been "just a (chica-friendly) hotel with a pool" for much longer in its history than as a Blackbeards-type operation. That is how Dominican Billy set it up, and that has always been the condition of its permitted existence. Many experienced mongers "know it" that way and liked it that way, otherwise they would have stayed at Blackbeards instead.

I like Blackbeards. It's a great institution and it sold me on the DR where I now live. But after my first stay there I afterwards always stayed at Field of Dreams because I preferred that type of environment. Not everyone likes the same thing. We may be a minority, but there are more than enough of us to fill Field of Dreams and make it profitable if only Anoeca would stop chopping and changing.

It is to be hoped that this loyal clientele will now start to trickle back, but Field of Dreams needs to have a business plan and stick to it otherwise guys get confused as to what they are committing to.

I spent yesterday evening with a young monger from the States. He hasn't visited the DR for four years. He is delighted and impressed with the improvements at Field of Dreams since his previous stay. He hasn't known it under the regimes of Leno or Randall so he cannot compare it to them. He is not at all interested in staying at Blackbeards or in Sosúa.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo]I personally have had three chicas tell me that girls can't hang there.[/QUOTE]
That is correct. That is not in dispute. Nor have they been allowed to hang there (hooking) for most of FoD's history.

I liked Randall. He was very friendly to me, he worked hard and had a lot of bright ideas. However, his efforts were doomed to failure from Day One because:
1) He employed far more staff than could ever be justified, making it hard to be profitable.
2) He operated in defiance of the understanding upon which Field of Dreams was founded. It was inevitable that the day of reckoning would come. I am only surprised it did not come sooner, but we all know how slow the wheels can turn in the DR.

In further defence of Randall, I am not sure how many of the additional staff were added at his instigation. Some were certainly friends and relatives of the owners. And Anoeca should have kept tighter reins on what he was doing. Advertising Field of Dreams inside Playa Dorada was a suicidal idea, for example.

Bribes or no bribes to cops is a complete red herring and nothing to do with recent changes.

I am not sure why this exchange of posts is under "Politics". It seems to be purely concerned with Puerto Plata.

I just tried checking FOD's website and it appears to be down. Anybody else having the same problem? I wish them well converting to a "regular" hotel.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter]Hi Mr Gogo


I don't want to argue with you. I have always enjoyed your posts and respected your opinions, but you shouldn't make sweeping statements or unfounded innuendos without having much idea of the facts. There is a big difference between a hotel being shut down and a hotel with 60% occupancy and better than breaking even (quite a difficult feat at present).

To correct your latest misrepresentations:
I am not an investor in Field of Dreams and I don't have enough spare cash to invest in a pica pollo stand. Also there are no "new investors" as far as I am aware. The ownership remains as it has been since reverting from the Cristal connection. It is being offered for sale, but that is not exactly a novelty on the North Coast. What isn't for sale?

I do have a remote interest in FoD in that I am an investor with Anoeca, the owners of Field of Dreams (which is how I am able, from time to time, to post the actual facts rather than bar-room gossip), so it is in my interest that all Anoeca's ventures flourish. However Field of Dreams represents only a very small part of Anoeca's holdings. It has hovered around the break-even point for many years so it's current fortunes are not affecting Anoeca's profitablility appreciably. Their new venture, the Roka Cabañas, is a great success and this is a vastly more profitable operation than FoD could ever be.


With respect that simply shows that you must either be a relative newcomer to the North Coast or have a poor memory. Field of Dreams has been "just a (chica-friendly) hotel with a pool" for much longer in its history than as a Blackbeards-type operation. That is how Dominican Billy set it up, and that has always been the condition of its permitted existence. Many experienced mongers "know it" that way and liked it that way, otherwise they would have stayed at Blackbeards instead.

I like Blackbeards. It's a great institution and it sold me on the DR where I now live. But after my first stay there I afterwards always stayed at Field of Dreams because I preferred that type of environment. Not everyone likes the same thing. We may be a minority, but there are more than enough of us to fill Field of Dreams and make it profitable if only Anoeca would stop chopping and changing.

It is to be hoped that this loyal clientele will now start to trickle back, but Field of Dreams needs to have a business plan and stick to it otherwise guys get confused as to what they are committing to.

I spent yesterday evening with a young monger from the States. He hasn't visited the DR for four years. He is delighted and impressed with the improvements at Field of Dreams since his previous stay. He hasn't known it under the regimes of Leno or Randall so he cannot compare it to them. He is not at all interested in staying at Blackbeards or in Sosúa.


That is correct. That is not in dispute. Nor have they been allowed to hang there (hooking) for most of FoD's history.

I liked Randall. He was very friendly to me, he worked hard and had a lot of bright ideas. However, his efforts were doomed to failure from Day One because:
1) He employed far more staff than could ever be justified, making it hard to be profitable.
2) He operated in defiance of the understanding upon which Field of Dreams was founded. It was inevitable that the day of reckoning would come. I am only surprised it did not come sooner, but we all know how slow the wheels can turn in the DR.

In further defence of Randall, I am not sure how many of the additional staff were added at his instigation. Some were certainly friends and relatives of the owners. And Anoeca should have kept tighter reins on what he was doing. Advertising Field of Dreams inside Playa Dorada was a suicidal idea, for example.

Bribes or no bribes to cops is a complete red herring and nothing to do with recent changes.

I am not sure why this exchange of posts is under "Politics". It seems to be purely concerned with Puerto Plata.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Doker44; 1147274]Well Bq Ribs you were responding to Toronto where he was talking about AI so thats why I made a point about it. I think your over stating the spending of tourists, thats it, I just don't think its 5 to 7 times more. I happened to go on a 6 hour tour a month and a half ago with tourists of SD. We had 10 people. Do you know how much we each paid. 40 US each. Thats it! The guide took us around to all his shops he gets kick backs from and those tourists were buying cheap junk that added up to nothing! The average person probably spent 45 bucks. Hardly a 5 to 7 time money maker.

Cruise ships come in for hours, once again people eat on the boats, they arent spending 100's of dollars on food and booze. Yes there are many places in the world that make it on cruise ship ports where tourist spend on junk and tours but once again its not 5 to 7 and its not the DR as we know it now.

I don't understand your point about the girls. Why dismiss the money a girl has that goes into the clothing shop and buys 50 bucks of goods but mention tourists getting off cruise ships who will buy 5 dollar trinkets.

If the DR wants change and runs out the monger and they are successful sure the monger dollar may mean nothing someday. [/QUOTE]I have traveled to DR with groups of people, some of whom had no interest in leaving the All Inclusive Hotel for mongering purposes. DR was chosen as a destination because it can offer the all inclusive type of vacation and also mongering opportunities. The people who never exited the all inclusive resort, spent very little money in DR. People who exited the all inclusive at night to Monger, spent much more money.

I have stayed at numerous all inclusive resorts in the DR. At one all inclusive resort in La Romana, someone in my group met a young pretty European woman who was at the resort alone. She had returned to the resort alone because on a prior trip with her parents, she had met a Dominican guy who worked at the resort and she returned to the resort to see that guy. To me the purpose of her trip was to Monger (a traveler who goes to a destination to engage in sex). Casa Marina all inclusive hotel in Sosua, I have seen plenty of the foreign female guests hooking up with workers at the resort. In Mangu disco in Bavaro, near Punta Cana, I saw numerous overweight foreign chicas hooking up with local guys. When Field of Dreams, across the street from Playa Dorada all inclusive complex, was open, I can remember reading posts that said they had many clients who were guys from the all inclusive hotels across the street. I have read posts where guys who were on a family "normal" tourist vacation in playa dorada, have visited Crystals in Puerto Plata (Crystals prices supposedly $100US and up). The average secretary in DR may make $200-$400 per month, a pro in Crystals may make that in a week. One ISG member will insist Monger dollars are crap.

I have read posts on the ISG, where one member said an older relative pays the rent for his novia in Santiago. Manizales wrote a report that some Monger bought a nice house for his novia in some small town. I met one chica in SDQ who was living in a nice apartment that her foreign boyfriend bought for her. I know one ISG member who told me he met another sdq chica who was living in an apartment bought by a foreign boyfriend.

At the Palms apartment building in Sosua, foreign women own apartments and I saw them living there with their Dominican boyfriends. The English woman who owned a strip club in England, owned an apartment in Sosua, she was murdered by her Dominican boyfriend. Another English woman I know owns apartments in Santo Domingo and Samana and is married to a Dominican guy.

It is not just foreign men who are going to DR for sex, foreign woman go there for the same thing.

I have been in casas in Santo Domingo and seen guys taking chicas out, those guys were paying 2500 to 3500 pesos per chica, those guys never wrote reports on the ISG. I showed one Newbie a few venues in Santo Domingo (the guy has mongered in Brazil and Sosua and other locations) , he is not a member of the ISG, he is a member on some other site, he did not know some well known casas in SDQ. In the span of 5 hours he spent 7000 pesos on two chicas, taking them out of a casa on the malecon. He visits SDQ about twice per month.

Also in Dom Rep, exist the expensive all inclusive mongering resorts, Oxygen and others. The large sums of money spent at those resorts supposedly are crap.

I have driven a country mile in DR and visited different towns. Most towns outside of the main tourist areas have very few normal tourists. I have seen very few "normal" tourists in Santiago, San Cristobal, San Pedro de Marcoris, Bonao, Moca, La Vega. I do know other Mongers travel to some of these towns and other towns where there are very few normal tourists and obviously these Mongers spend money in these towns.

The money sent to DR, through western union, moneygram, xoom or through bank transfers, by foreigners to their novias or novios, I am sure is a considerable amount of money that amounts to something greater than crap.

I don't know what the Motivation is, for someone to say the Monger Dollars pumped into the DR economy is crap. Is it a way to discourage other Mongers from visiting DR, by implying that the money a Monger may spend in DR is crap and therefore not appreciated in DR?

Young beautiful chicas in DR, treat old, fat, ugly, foreign mongers like kings, because the old, fat, ugly, foreign mongers are offering them crap?

In 2009 the DR government borrowed almost 2 billion dollars from the IMF. DR government gets about 40 million dollars from the US government every year. Many people in DR live without electricity and running water for 10 or more hours per day. The large sums of money pumped into the DR by foreign mongers is crap and not needed?

Can people in DR survive in without Monger Dollars? Sure, as long as the DR continues to get aid from the US and can continue to borrow money. Do many people in DR have a better life because of Monger dollars? Yes. Would the lives of many people in DR get worse if there were no Monger dollars in DR? Yes.

Money laundering and drug trafficking are sources of income in DR, illegal sources of money. Monger dollars in DR are totally legal.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1147479]I don't know what the Motivation is, for someone to say the Monger Dollars pumped into the DR economy is crap. Is it a way to discourage other Mongers from visiting DR, by implying that the money a Monger may spend in DR is crap and therefore not appreciated in DR?

Young beautiful chicas in DR, treat old, fat, ugly, foreign mongers like kings, because the old, fat, ugly, foreign mongers are offering them crap?

In 2009 the DR government borrowed almost 2 billion dollars from the IMF. DR government gets about 40 million dollars from the US government every year. Many people in DR live without electricity and running water for 10 or more hours per day. The large sums of money pumped into the DR by foreign mongers is crap and not needed?

Can people in DR survive in without Monger Dollars? Sure, as long as the DR continues to get aid from the US and can continue to borrow money. Do many people in DR have a better life because of Monger dollars? Yes. Would the lives of many people in DR get worse if there were no Monger dollars in DR? Yes.

Money laundering and drug trafficking are sources of income in DR, illegal sources of money. Monger dollars in DR are totally legal. [/QUOTE]It is crap. And the economy is moving past the need for those dollars if that activity is going to drive away investment dollars. You kind of just made my point for me. DR borrows so much money to fund infrastructure projects and there has been a lot of private investment in Gazue, that they are sensitive to foreign pressure concerning International Sex Trafficking in all of its forms especially in its capital city. I also stand on the facts that its a $1-5 spending ratio of Monger vs Tourist. If they have to get rid of one its going to be the monger at this point and take the short term hit.

Again, every politician I have talked to or read see prostitution as byproduct of tourism or worse as vulchers on their soil. They recognize the needs for the dollars but its to be managed and not flaunted about like it had become in the entirety around the Jaragua. As debaucherios heaven it had become it really was getting out of hand.

I could not leave the Mystik or Malecon Center and walk a block at night without 7 putas hitting on me or some kid offering me up card for 305, girls house, sky house etc. Etc.

I posted a response in the Santo Domingo, how much of that "investment" is in the form of illegally obtained money, I. E. Drug Money? I hope you make a killing there, make a lot of money, just watch your back. As another ISG member said, some people in DR will try to screw a foreigner any which way they can. Leonel probably has lots of money squirreled away in some off sure bank account out of the DR. People who invested with Madoff thought it was legit.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce; 1147675]It is crap. And the economy is moving past the need for those dollars if that activity is going to drive away investment dollars. You kind of just made my point for me. DR borrows so much money to fund infrastructure projects and there has been a lot of private investment in Gazue, that they are sensitive to foreign pressure concerning International Sex Trafficking in all of its forms especially in its capital city. I also stand on the facts that its a $1-5 spending ratio of Monger vs Tourist. If they have to get rid of one its going to be the monger at this point and take the short term hit.

Again, every politician I have talked to or read see prostitution as byproduct of tourism or worse as vulchers on their soil. They recognize the needs for the dollars but its to be managed and not flaunted about like it had become in the entirety around the Jaragua. As debaucherios heaven it had become it really was getting out of hand.

I could not leave the Mystik or Malecon Center and walk a block at night without 7 putas hitting on me or some kid offering me up card for 305, girls house, sky house etc. Etc.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1147427]I have traveled to DR with groups of people, some of whom had no interest in leaving the All Inclusive Hotel for mongering purposes. DR was chosen as a destination because it can offer the all inclusive type of vacation and also mongering opportunities. The people who never exited the all inclusive resort, spent very little money in DR. People who exited the all inclusive at night to Monger, spent much more money.

I have stayed at numerous all inclusive resorts in the DR. At one all inclusive resort in La Romana, someone in my group met a young pretty European woman who was at the resort alone. She had returned to the resort alone because on a prior trip with her parents, she had met a Dominican guy who worked at the resort and she returned to the resort to see that guy. To me the purpose of her trip was to Monger (a traveler who goes to a destination to engage in sex). Casa Marina all inclusive hotel in Sosua, I have seen plenty of the foreign female guests hooking up with workers at the resort. In Mangu disco in Bavaro, near Punta Cana, I saw numerous overweight foreign chicas hooking up with local guys. When Field of Dreams, across the street from Playa Dorada all inclusive complex, was open, I can remember reading posts that said they had many clients who were guys from the all inclusive hotels across the street. I have read posts where guys who were on a family "normal" tourist vacation in playa dorada, have visited Crystals in Puerto Plata (Crystals prices supposedly $100US and up). The average secretary in DR may make $200-$400 per month, a pro in Crystals may make that in a week. One ISG member will insist Monger dollars are crap.

I have read posts on the ISG, where one member said an older relative pays the rent for his novia in Santiago. Manizales wrote a report that some Monger bought a nice house for his novia in some small town. I met one chica in SDQ who was living in a nice apartment that her foreign boyfriend bought for her. I know one ISG member who told me he met another sdq chica who was living in an apartment bought by a foreign boyfriend.

At the Palms apartment building in Sosua, foreign women own apartments and I saw them living there with their Dominican boyfriends. The English woman who owned a strip club in England, owned an apartment in Sosua, she was murdered by her Dominican boyfriend. Another English woman I know owns apartments in Santo Domingo and Samana and is married to a Dominican guy.

It is not just foreign men who are going to DR for sex, foreign woman go there for the same thing.

I have been in casas in Santo Domingo and seen guys taking chicas out, those guys were paying 2500 to 3500 pesos per chica, those guys never wrote reports on the ISG. I showed one Newbie a few venues in Santo Domingo (the guy has mongered in Brazil and Sosua and other locations) , he is not a member of the ISG, he is a member on some other site, he did not know some well known casas in SDQ. In the span of 5 hours he spent 7000 pesos on two chicas, taking them out of a casa on the malecon. He visits SDQ about twice per month.

Also in Dom Rep, exist the expensive all inclusive mongering resorts, Oxygen and others. The large sums of money spent at those resorts supposedly are crap.

I have driven a country mile in DR and visited different towns. Most towns outside of the main tourist areas have very few normal tourists. I have seen very few "normal" tourists in Santiago, San Cristobal, San Pedro de Marcoris, Bonao, Moca, La Vega. I do know other Mongers travel to some of these towns and other towns where there are very few normal tourists and obviously these Mongers spend money in these towns.

The money sent to DR, through western union, moneygram, xoom or through bank transfers, by foreigners to their novias or novios, I am sure is a considerable amount of money that amounts to something greater than crap. [/QUOTE]Great Post!

You have seen many of the same things I have seen. I don't see many tourist in Santiago or SD because they are scared crapless. Just talk with them. My experience are only being in a few places and hanging with tourist sometimes granted, so maybe my sample size isn't big enough. But to try to put a number on it or read any official govt docs on the subject is worthless because they can't track monger bucks for reasons posted above. So yes I agree that the assumption that Monger money isn't shit is inaccurate. These tourist that come down don't spend and many Americans will never return. Just ask them! The reason they want change is the right (or I guess from our prospective the wrong) people are not seeing that money.

Alex...once again your talking about a DR that doesnt exist. Traveling across the country I sure did see these investments....you know all 2/3 built buildings. So yes they could make changes and take some risks to get it where they want it. But it is much easier to run the monger out let the poor suffer while they try to build it into something.

[url]http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2010/5/3/35581/Spaniard-shipped-2-containers-of-marble-hiding-cocaine-monthly[/url]

"SANTO DOMINGO- Spain's General Prosecutor estimates that Arturo del Tiempo Marques, who doesn't have any recognized business activity in that country,"exported" at least two containers of "marble" to that nation monthly.

It's suspected that cocaine and other drugs were disguised in those shipments consigned to the owner of the luxury building Torre Atiemar, whom the Spanish authorities are convinced also owned the container in which 935. 5 kilos of cocaine were seized on November in the Port at Caucedo, Boca Chica."

"so if each shipment averaged say. 1000 kg, then 1000 kg x 2 (shipment) x 12 (month) x 2 (years) = 48, 000 kgs"

A kilo of cocaine price from $30, 000 to $100, 000 (I have don't know the exact price of a kilo of cocaine, I have read different prices, cut or uncut prices are different) Price of Kilo of cocaine multiplied by 48, 0000 = a whole hell of a lot of money. No monger dollars are going to be able to compete with that much money.

I really think I'm talking to kids sometime."A Dominican Republic that does not exist" Wow! I must have mistaken those tourist in the Colonial District for putas. I must have mistaken the Euro couple at the new plaza on George Washington for shoe shine kids. The group of businessmen at Jaragua and Malecon for touts and the british couple in Boca Chica for a local or the family at the beach as aberrations. Yall are full a shit. You see what you want to see. Also, a couple that stays in the all inclusive will bring in more revenue than you will spend any day and its taxable.

I hang with you guys. Why try to Bull Shiat Me. I know your a bunch a cheep bastards so stop with the "we spend big dollars" Bull Shit, some of you are the cheapest some of a biatches I have seen in my life. From Rio, to Coasta Rica back to DR yall have got to be the worst. I have had to pay several of you assholes bills while drinking with me because I could not stand you haggling over a 1, 000 vs. 900. Really, your going to sit hear and waste time out of my life over $3 dayum dollars. Especially after you ran the waiter in the ground for the last hour? You sit on here and in person@Santo and brag about how you buy provisions at the market to save money, never pay the Tourist rates and then try to compare yourself to a normal tourist? Hell, I almost had to fight a couple of you for telling me what I should and should not pay to put my dick in a chick.

COME ON MAN! I'm CALLING HYPOCRITE!

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1147740]I really think I'm talking to kids sometime."A Dominican Republic that does not exist" Wow! I must have mistaken those tourist in the Colonial District for putas. I must have mistaken the Euro couple at the new plaza on George Washington for shoe shine kids. The group of businessmen at Jaragua and Malecon for touts and the british couple in Boca Chica for a local or the family at the beach as aberrations. Yall are full a shit. You see what you want to see. Also, a couple that stays in the all inclusive will bring in more revenue than you will spend any day and its taxable.........................[/QUOTE]No mistakes on what you saw. The mistake is the guys who think the few trips they make a year and spend on putas or online chicas is bailing out the DR economy. Alex save your breath because the Pica Pollo high rollers will never believe you. I always admit I try to save a buck here and a buck there but at least I am not foolish enough to think the DR wouldn't exist without my few monger bucks. Then again with my numerous trips a year I probably spend the same yearly amount as a 4 or 5 trip guy. But the bottom line the way I see it The Monger Dollar Ain't Crap!

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce; 1147740]I really think I'm talking to kids sometime."A Dominican Republic that does not exist" Wow! I must have mistaken those tourist in the Colonial District for putas. I must have mistaken the Euro couple at the new plaza on George Washington for shoe shine kids. The group of businessmen at Jaragua and Malecon for touts and the british couple in Boca Chica for a local or the family at the beach as aberrations. Yall are full a shit. You see what you want to see. Also, a couple that stays in the all inclusive will bring in more revenue than you will spend any day and its taxable.

I hang with you guys. Why try to Bull Shiat Me. I know your a bunch a cheep bastards so stop with the "we spend big dollars" Bull Shit, some of you are the cheapest some of a biatches I have seen in my life. From Rio, to Coasta Rica back to DR yall have got to be the worst. I have had to pay several of you assholes bills while drinking with me because I could not stand you haggling over a 1, 000 vs. 900. Really, your going to sit hear and waste time out of my life over $3 dayum dollars. Especially after you ran the waiter in the ground for the last hour? You sit on here and in [email]person@Santo[/email] And brag about how you buy provisions at the market to save money, never pay the Tourist rates and then try to compare yourself to a normal tourist? Hell, I almost had to fight a couple of you for telling me what I should and should not pay to put my dick in a chick.

COME ON MAN! I'm CALLING HYPOCRITE! [/QUOTE]It is well known by most Mongers who frequent DR, that sometimes getting change after you purchase something in DR can be a pain. Oftentimes cashiers don't have many low denomination bills or many coins. I know one ISG member who goes to DR frequently, he told me will makes a scene when a cashier does not have enough coins to give him all his change, he will wait and make a scene over 5 pesos (13 cents US).

I know, when I do not have low denomination bills or loose coins, I will not buy certain low cost items at certain businesses in DR. I don't take it personally that a cashier might not have change and it is not worth it to have to wait 10-15 minutes over 13 cents and to fight and make a scene over 13 cents.

[quote=savepros321; 1150228]even still, what does the us care about haitians in the dr? haitians tricking in boca chica at that? if they are specifically referring to **** haitian prostitution then that is another thing. but your summary says the report mentioned overall there are more haitian women in the boca chica after the earthquake.

so is the us asking the dr to begin an ethnic cleansing of the haitians or else face economic sanctions (#6 in the summary)? [/quote][url]http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/wha/154503.htm[/url]

"washington's 'corrupt' label could cost dominicans us$200m (april 11, 2011) ; santo domingo- the dominican anticorruption alliance, adocco, warned sunday that the usa state department's report disclosed friday would keep dominican republic from accessing funds from the account of the millennium.

in said the report, which cites violation of human rights, killings and torture by police, subhuman prison conditions, a marked increase in people trafficking, violence against women, discrimination against minorities and a little enforcement of labor laws, stresses "instances in which security forces acted independently of civil control" last year.

but what most concerns adocco is the report's affirmation that "corruption is generalized in the dominican republic, ' an element it says would shut the doors to benefits of nearly us$200 million, from the account of the millennium."

[url]http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2011/4/11/39206/washingtons-corrupt-label-could-cost-dominicans-us200m[/url]

from the 2010 human rights report: dominican republic, us department of state (link for the full report is above) : "serious human rights problems included unlawful killings; beatings and other abuse of suspects, detainees, and prisoners; fair to harsh prison conditions; arbitrary arrest and detention of suspects; a large number of functionally stateless persons; widespread corruption; harassment of certain human rights groups; violence and discrimination against women; child prostitution and other abuses of children; trafficking in persons; severe discrimination against haitian migrants and their descendants; violence and discrimination against persons based on sexual orientation; ineffective enforcement of labor laws; and child labor."

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1150314][url]Http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/wha/154503.htm[/url]

"Washington's 'corrupt' label could cost Dominicans US$200M (April 11, 2011) ; Santo Domingo- The Dominican Anticorruption Alliance, ADOCCO, warned Sunday that the USA State Department's report disclosed Friday would keep Dominican Republic from accessing funds from the Account of the Millennium.

In said the report, which cites violation of human rights, killings and torture by police, subhuman prison conditions, a marked increase in people trafficking, violence against women, discrimination against minorities and a little enforcement of labor laws, stresses "instances in which security forces acted independently of civil control" last year.

But what most concerns ADOCCO is the report's affirmation that "Corruption is generalized in the Dominican Republic, ' an element it says would shut the doors to benefits of nearly US$200 million, from the Account of the Millennium."

[url]http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2011/4/11/39206/Washingtons-corrupt-label-could-cost-Dominicans-US200M[/url]

From the 2010 Human Rights Report: Dominican Republic, US Department of State (link for the full report is above) : "Serious human rights problems included unlawful killings; beatings and other abuse of suspects, detainees, and prisoners; fair to harsh prison conditions; arbitrary arrest and detention of suspects; a large number of functionally stateless persons; widespread corruption; harassment of certain human rights groups; violence and discrimination against women; child prostitution and other abuses of children; trafficking in persons; severe discrimination against Haitian migrants and their descendants; violence and discrimination against persons based on sexual orientation; ineffective enforcement of labor laws; and child labor."[/QUOTE]The DR will comply with whatever the US tells them to do:

[i]"The Dominican Republic's exports to the USA in 2008 were USA $4 billion, a 5. 6% decrease from 2007 but up 29% over the previous 14 years."[/i]

[url]http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/35639.htm[/url]

The people in power over in the Capital do not want the free money spigot turned off, so they will comply (if only temporarily) in order to get Washington to keep the cash flowing.

It will be interesting to see how the next Presidential election will play out in that country (if the candidates haven't been hand-picked by the US already). The reason the Japanese kicked the Portuguese out of their country long ago is because the Portuguese tried to tie in trade with converting the Japanese to Christians. Once the Dutch appeared on the scene (the Dutch cared nothing about religion and only wanted to trade) the Japanese were relieved.

I don't think the DR has the option of choosing its trading partners, plus they are currently competing with the Chinese in the textiles industry:

(From State Dept.) : [i]"The textiles sector-which constituted 53. 6% of FTZ exports in 2000-has increasingly played a smaller role in the FTZ sector. It experienced an estimated 19. 5% drop since 2008 (and a 63. 3% drop since 2000) due in part to the appreciation of the Dominican peso against the dollar, Asian competition following expiration of the quotas of the Multi-Fiber Arrangement, and a government-mandated increase in salaries."[/i]

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1150314][url]Http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/wha/154503.htm[/url]

"Washington's 'corrupt' label could cost Dominicans US$200M (April 11, 2011) ; Santo Domingo- The Dominican Anticorruption Alliance, ADOCCO, warned Sunday that the USA State Department's report disclosed Friday would keep Dominican Republic from accessing funds from the Account of the Millennium.

In said the report, which cites violation of human rights, killings and torture by police, subhuman prison conditions, a marked increase in people trafficking, violence against women, discrimination against minorities and a little enforcement of labor laws, stresses "instances in which security forces acted independently of civil control" last year.

But what most concerns ADOCCO is the report's affirmation that "Corruption is generalized in the Dominican Republic, ' an element it says would shut the doors to benefits of nearly US$200 million, from the Account of the Millennium."

[url]http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2011/4/11/39206/Washingtons-corrupt-label-could-cost-Dominicans-US200M[/url]

From the 2010 Human Rights Report: Dominican Republic, US Department of State (link for the full report is above) : "Serious human rights problems included unlawful killings; beatings and other abuse of suspects, detainees, and prisoners; fair to harsh prison conditions; arbitrary arrest and detention of suspects; a large number of functionally stateless persons; widespread corruption; harassment of certain human rights groups; violence and discrimination against women; child prostitution and other abuses of children; trafficking in persons; severe discrimination against Haitian migrants and their descendants; violence and discrimination against persons based on sexual orientation; ineffective enforcement of labor laws; and child labor."[/QUOTE]I am also surprised you haven't had any problems with the police the many times you have visited and driven on the island. The first half of the 2010 Human Rights Report you linked to has someone being killed by a police officer and a good number of them happened during traffic stops by the police.

That is some pretty fucked up conditions to be living under.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1150387]I am also surprised you haven't had any problems with the police the many times you have visited and driven on the island. The first half of the 2010 Human Rights Report you linked to has someone being killed by a police officer and a good number of them happened during traffic stops by the police.

That is some pretty fucked up conditions to be living under. [/QUOTE]People getting killed by the police unfortunately happens here almost on a daily basis. This is what the police calls "intercambio de balas" gunfire exchange with alleged criminals.

[QUOTE=Berthold;1150390]People getting killed by the police unfortunately happens here almost on a daily basis. This is what the police calls "intercambio de balas" gunfire exchange with alleged criminals.[/QUOTE]According to a report on Listin Diario 40% of gun fire deaths are caused by the police.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1150387]I am also surprised you haven't had any problems with the police the many times you have visited and driven on the island. The first half of the 2010 Human Rights Report you linked to has someone being killed by a police officer and a good number of them happened during traffic stops by the police.

That is some pretty fucked up conditions to be living under. [/QUOTE]I know one light skin African American Monger who doesn't stop for the police, when the police in DR have a type of traffic stop (where between 2-8 police are standing on the side of the road waving down cars to stop).

From the US report: "On July 3, police officers shot and killed an 81-year-old man, Elio Reyes Severino, a passenger in a vehicle ordered to stop while driving between Santo Domingo and Samana."

I have been stopped numerous times by the Policia Nacional, while driving in Santo Domingo. In zona oriental, on the other side of the river from the main part of Santo Domingo, there are Policia Nacional standing in the streets at night, stopping cars. I always stopped and those guys were always nice to me and told me to be careful. Parts of Zona Oriental are a little rough.

Other times Policia on motorcycles have told me to stop and those Policia riding motorcycles were looking for easy money and some were a little threatening in their manner.

If the Policia are friendly and polite to me, sometimes I will give them some small amount of money. The ones who are rude and threatening get nothing from me.

The Policia on the side of the road who have stopped me have been armed with shotguns or rifles that look like m-16s, most also carry 9 mm semi automatic pistols, all are usually wearing bullet proof vests. Some of those streets are dark.

One time I got stopped near the La Romana Airport, by guys who looked like soldiers, they were part of some drug interdiction force, they stopped and searched every car that drove near the airport that night, they were nice to me. They searched my car and I was free to go, I told them I was going to a place called Klimax (now called Scores, a pay for play venue with some very fine chicas) , the soldiers laughed and said have fun.

[QUOTE=BoricuaOnline;1150397]According to a report on Listin Diario 40% of gun fire deaths are caused by the police.[/QUOTE]Their mentality is shoot first and ask questions later. Sometimes you can even read in newspaper articles that the police is asking alleged criminals to turn themselves in in order to save their lifes

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1150387]I am also surprised you haven't had any problems with the police the many times you have visited and driven on the island. The first half of the 2010 Human Rights Report you linked to has someone being killed by a police officer and a good number of them happened during traffic stops by the police.

That is some pretty fucked up conditions to be living under. [/QUOTE]From what I understand most police in DR get very low salaries.

Chances of getting pulled over for nothing by the Policia are probably greater before major holidays like Navidad (Christmas) or Semana Santa (Easter week).

Some recent shutdowns of casas in Santo Domingo occurred around Semana Santa (a time when many Dominicans travel to different areas of the country for a vacation) , it could be possible some people were looking for some Semana Santa vacation money.

"The signature dish of Lent until the beginning of Holy Week is "Sweet Beans" (Habichuelas con Dulce or Habichuelas Dulces) a base of red beans, sweet spices such as cloves and cinnamon, sweet potato, condensed milk, shredded coconut and raisins, but each family has its own recipe and variation. The beans are usually served cold."

For 2011:

April 17, Palm Sunday.

April 18, Easter Monday.

April 19, Holy Tuesday.

April 20, Holy Wednesday.

April 21, Maundy Thursday.

April 22, Good Friday.

April 23, Holy Saturday

April 24, Easter Sunday

[QUOTE=Berthold;1150390]People getting killed by the police unfortunately happens here almost on a daily basis. This is what the police calls "intercambio de balas" gunfire exchange with alleged criminals.[/QUOTE]Another thing I found interesting: Whenever I ended up doing TLN I would always end up with the chicas that want to watch their novelas. Around this time is when the "Noticias" are on. I was very surprised that when reporting deaths in the DR the news cameras show the entire body. The first time I saw this they showed what looked to be a young Haitian man lying dead in the field (someone shot him). In the US the most they would show of a dead person is their shoes. The Haitiana in my room at the time was even more surprised that I was surprised, LOL (seeing as the people there are probably desensitized to the images of death in their news segments).

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1150600]From what I understand most police in DR get very low salaries.

Chances of getting pulled over for nothing by the Policia are probably greater before major holidays like Navidad (Christmas) or Semana Santa (Easter week).

Some recent shutdowns of casas in Santo Domingo occurred around Semana Santa (a time when many Dominicans travel to different areas of the country for a vacation) , it could be possible some people were looking for some Semana Santa vacation money.

"The signature dish of Lent until the beginning of Holy Week is "Sweet Beans" (Habichuelas con Dulce or Habichuelas Dulces) a base of red beans, sweet spices such as cloves and cinnamon, sweet potato, condensed milk, shredded coconut and raisins, but each family has its own recipe and variation. The beans are usually served cold."

For 2011:

April 17, Palm Sunday.

April 18, Easter Monday.

April 19, Holy Tuesday.

April 20, Holy Wednesday.

April 21, Maundy Thursday.

April 22, Good Friday.

April 23, Holy Saturday

April 24, Easter Sunday[/QUOTE]Everywhere else in the world Easter Monday is the day following Easter Sunday.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1150969]Everywhere else in the world Easter Monday is the day following Easter Sunday.[/QUOTE]LOL. This is the DR. I am sure the Cardinal is as open to bribes as anyone else here. The Church has been kissing the government's ass here for so many decades I am sure the President could move Christmas Day to the middle of July if he thought it would boost tourism.

I have been to Santo Domingo over the last 10 years and yet to have any major issues with the Police of any branch. I have been pulled over for Random Traffic Stops in a brand new Range Rover and a 87 Dotson with no lights. I have yet to receive a request for Propina / Bribe by both Federals in Trucks by they Bridge and locals on Bikes. I don't run from police in America and I damn sure am not going to run from police in a Foreign country. I do as I do here. I pull over in a lighted highly visible area.

I have had instances on the street, Hotels and Apartments where I was dead ass wrong for my actions and had the attending officer act utterly professional. However, I can say that when a situation has arisen from my own making or other Monger Hazards. 1,500 DOP is always the least I tip the Jefe for Disposal of after party remnants. Lot of you on here try to buck the service charge for cleaning up your messes. Generally, the Jefe is the one with the 45 in the front of the Bullet proof, the ones holding the mossberg Riot Pump and AR's are his subordinates The Captain and lieutenant bars helps. If you have mongered on Pastuer you know the young Tourist Police Captain and squad I'm referring to. If your getting harassed by him your a complete assholes.

As I have stated several times, I have yet to see locals (Aside for the Robbers, who will jack anyone) go out of their way to treat tourist bad. In fact, it is the opposite. What I have seen are tourist who try to take advantage of the locals and the home network takes care of them from all fascists of the society. You think your actions both good and bad do not get around?

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce; 1150985]I have been to Santo Domingo over the last 10 years and yet to have any major issues with the Police of any branch. I have been pulled over for Random Traffic Stops in a brand new Range Rover and a 87 Dotson with no lights. I have yet to receive a request for Propina / Bribe by both Federals in Trucks by they Bridge and locals on Bikes. I don't run from police in America and I damn sure am not going to run from police in a Foreign country. I do as I do here. I pull over in a lighted highly visible area.

I have had instances on the street, Hotels and Apartments where I was dead ass wrong for my actions and had the attending officer act utterly professional. However, I can say that when a situation has arisen from my own making or other Monger Hazards. 1,500 DOP is always the least I tip the Jefe for Disposal of after party remnants. Lot of you on here try to buck the service charge for cleaning up your messes. Generally, the Jefe is the one with the 45 in the front of the Bullet proof, the ones holding the mossberg Riot Pump and AR's are his subordinates The Captain and lieutenant bars helps. If you have mongered on Pastuer you know the young Tourist Police Captain and squad I'm referring to. If your getting harassed by him your a complete assholes.

As I have stated several times, I have yet to see locals (Aside for the Robbers, who will jack anyone) go out of their way to treat tourist bad. In fact, it is the opposite. What I have seen are tourist who try to take advantage of the locals and the home network takes care of them from all fascists of the society. You think your actions both good and bad do not get around? [/QUOTE]I've been pulled over many times and the only the polica national have asked for me to pay my multa right there and then. The PN before the toll on the road to Bani do not give some sort of BS excuse because the see me all the time, they come right out and just ask for a little help, rather than ask if I have fire arms, drugs etc. I give them a buck or 2 occasionally.

The one and only time I paid a bribe was when I was pulled over for running a red light when there wasn't any electricity. He asked for 6k, when I gave him 100 pesos he replied how am I supposed to eat with this and started talking about taking me in to the station. I gave him 20US he let me go.

I have received 5 tickets from AMET for various offenses, no seat belt, talking on cell. Etc. Once I made an illegal uturn right in front of one and I always play dumb first pretending not to speak spanish, then I realized this is an AMET officer and the worst they've ever done to me is write me a ticket, I immediately asked him in spanish to give me my ticket I needed to go, he was shocked that I spoke spanish he laughed and told me he didn't have his ticket book with him and I could go.

I tried that with a pretty AMET officer and she actually spoke english and told me that in the united states I can't use my cell phone and drive, got a ticket and her phone number.

With the national police I use business cards that I got from the Dominican Consulate in NYC, I have a bunch in my wallet. I tell them I don't have any cash just Credit Cards, I give them my paperwork with one of the business cards and tell them my uncle works in the consulate. I've gotten off everytime with that.

I take it easy with the National Police, recently 2 were arrested for being paid for killing a fruit vendor that was disturbing some old man. The old man paid the police who beat the crap out of this kid and then killed him. It was all over the news down there.

The National Police are very corrupt. My car rental battery was stolen and they wanted to be paid to fill out the report. I needed it for my insurance but the just stood around saying wow that's really bad. Luckily the replacement and installation was only $75.

I've seen some very nasty shit with the National Police, I've seen them shoot someone they had in custody, handcuffed on the ground. Granted the guy just robbed 2 girls of jewelry and their bags, but to shoot the guy in the back?

I never play the ugly american anywhere and I travel all over the world, but I get nervous about those guys. The politur and AMET are ok (although the AMET have killed a few domincans recently) but the National Police are bad news. The guys in the local towns are pretty good, because everyone knows each other. But the ones in the capital are always looking for something.

[url]http://www.vicinigroup.com/[/url]

"The Price of Sugar is a 2007 documentary by Bill Haney about exploitation of Haitian immigrants in the Dominican Republic involved with production of sugar, and the efforts of Spanish priest Father Christopher Hartley to ameliorate their situation. It is narrated by actor Paul Newman. The documentary shows the poor working conditions in the sugar cane plantations, and political control exerted by the Vicini family to stifle efforts to change the situation. The movie has resulted in several lawsuits from the Vicini family."

[QUOTE=Frannie;1285016]You could get a job as a pollster for Obama and interview every single person who lives in the US to find out how they plan to vote, and then there will be no need for elections.[/QUOTE]Obama is a great man and I will do all that I can, to help him get re-elected (for excellent polling analysis you can read Nate Silver at 538).

[QUOTE=Frannie;1287156]Thank God Jaosousa doesn't read the Sosua forum, or you would be in for a lecture about how you need to put on a full hazmat suit before approaching a Haitiana.[/QUOTE]Please post the location or the post where, anything written by me referred to Haitianas as having some deadly contagion that would require a hazmat suit to be near them.

In the past I offered to meet you in person in Sosua or Santo Domingo and you did not accept. I could invite you to New York City, where I can introduce you to the Haitians who have been my friends for over 20 years.

I have posted the link for this video several times, Dekole J Perry [Official Video-HD] feat Shabba & Izolan; [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4hx-EFvZN8[/url] The song in this video is about Haitian Pride and Self-Reliance.

I will re-post some of the photos I have previously posted here on the Dominican Republic thread of the ISG (photos regarding Haiti).

My next trip to the Dominican Republic, I will try to travel to Haiti and spend money there. The Haitian economy could use tourism dollars.

PS: Why did you delete the user thread you started named "Quick?"? (You deleted that thread after I posted there saying I would do all I can to help re-elect Obama because he is a great man).

With the recent changes in the Dominican Republic, they will now see what there actions in Sosua and other parts of the DR will cause. The opening of Cuba puts a hurt on travel to the DR with shorter travel time from destinations in the US. And knowing that your dollar will go further. Those cruise ships they where counting on now has another option. Now instead of closing down the business of Sosua and other regions. The DR needs to re-evaluate their recent decisions before we all find this new location a better buy. Look I am already packed, tell me what airlines I need to used to get to Cuba. I was planning my last trip to the DR in March. That might be on hold right now. I do love the DR, but the winds of change are in place and I will always love a new adventure. So I will see you there brothers.

Jaosousa, Nice post, nice photos.

[QUOTE=Osanhopps;1657762]With the recent changes in the Dominican Republic, they will now see what there actions in Sosua and other parts of the DR will cause. The opening of Cuba puts a hurt on travel to the DR with shorter travel time from destinations in the US. And knowing that your dollar will go further. Those cruise ships they where counting on now has another option. Now instead of closing down the business of Sosua and other regions. The DR needs to re-evaluate their recent decisions before we all find this new location a better buy. Look I am already packed, tell me what airlines I need to used to get to Cuba. I was planning my last trip to the DR in March. That might be on hold right now. I do love the DR, but the winds of change are in place and I will always love a new adventure. So I will see you there brothers.[/QUOTE]Yes sirrrr.

[QUOTE=Osanhopps;1657762]With the recent changes in the Dominican Republic, they will now see what there actions in Sosua and other parts of the DR will cause. The opening of Cuba puts a hurt on travel to the DR with shorter travel time from destinations in the US. And knowing that your dollar will go further. Those cruise ships they where counting on now has another option. Now instead of closing down the business of Sosua and other regions. The DR needs to re-evaluate their recent decisions before we all find this new location a better buy. Look I am already packed, tell me what airlines I need to used to get to Cuba. I was planning my last trip to the DR in March. That might be on hold right now. I do love the DR, but the winds of change are in place and I will always love a new adventure. So I will see you there brothers.[/QUOTE]Cuba is NOT being open up to USA Citizens for tourism.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1657790]Cuba is NOT being open up to USA Citizens for tourism.[/QUOTE]Mani, I am curious as to why you have this belief. I mean, why would they go through all of this and still have the travel restriction in place? That makes no sense at all and completely goes against the whole "normalizing relations" effort. That's like the US saying to Cuba: "We are friends, but I still don't trust you." We have no other restriction like this one in the entire world. Not even with Venezuela.

Cuba stands to make a killing on US tourist coming there. We are only 90 miles from the island. There is no way that lifting the travel restriction is not part of the current discussion between our country and theirs. The travel ban was put in place way back when to punish Castro and his Communist regime by keeping US tourism dollars from propping up their economy. If we are now about to normalize relations with a still Communist regime, then what need will there be for a travel ban to still be in place?


[b]It's About To Get A Whole Lot Easier For Americans To Travel To Cuba[/b]

JENNIFER POLLAND

DEC. 17, 2014, 12:18 PM

The US just announced major policy changes in its relationship with Cuba and the two countries are working towards normalized diplomatic relations.

This means that soon it's likely going to get much easier for Americans to travel to Cuba.

It's worth noting that travel to Cuba is already booming; In 2012 and 2013, more than 90,000 Americans legally visited Cuba, according to the New York Times and there's a good chance many more have visited illegally.

But it's complicated to travel there: Travelers currently need special visas or are required to travel with set tour groups, and there are no direct commercial flights between the US and Cuba.

All of that will likely change soon.

Senior Obama administration officials announced in a press conference call with reporters on Wednesday plans to lift many of its existing travel restrictions. While all of the details have not yet been made clear, an official said the change will include a "number of steps to significantly increase travel, commerce, and the flow of information to and from Cuba." Officials also noted that the eased travel restrictions would allow more Americans who qualify under the current license program to visit Cuba.

While it's not technically illegal for US citizens to travel to Cuba, most are prohibited from spending any money there. These new measures would allow visitors to be able to purchase "$400 of general goods and up to $100 of alcohol and tobacco products that can include cigars" while in Cuba.

We're still waiting for more information on the ease of these travel restrictions, but it's clear that more Americans will be traveling to Cuba very soon.

[URL]http://www.businessinsider.com/us-will-ease-cuba-travel-restrictions-2014-12[/URL]

To be picky, it's only Key West that is 90 miles from Cuba.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1657814]Mani, I am curious as to why you have this belief.[/QUOTE]You are both right.

Manizales in writing in the present tense and accurately reflecting what your President has so far said (some of which Congress has to, and may not, approve).

You are writing about sometime in the future. Remember both houses are controlled by the GOP and you may have a Republican President in two years, so things may move a lot slower than you assume.

If so, I don't think that is a bad thing. When the communist regime collapsed in Russia everything changed too quickly, resulting in a mess which is still giving major headaches today. I think if Cuba has a decade or more to adjust to changes it will be better for everyone. Just so long as there is a marked year-on year improvement.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1657814]Mani, I am curious as to why you have this belief.

[/QUOTE]SavePros321,I meant to say that it is currently not being opened up to tourism, sorry for my poor use of words. A lot of guys think that they will immediately be able to jump on a plane and head to Cuba just like they do the DR and that is not the case. Eventually yes, but it will take some time.

The general election is today. A informal poll of my girls (harem and bootycall) indicated that everyone that could vote was planning to. And overwhelming support was with the current president.

They have the technology for machine scanned vote count. But there will be a full manual vote count and if there is a discrepancy the manual count will prevail.

The US wanted to have monitors in the count room. After those mother fuckers cheated on a presidencial election I understand why officials of the Dominican Republic didn't want that to happen. After the election fiasco in the US they have no moral standing to comment on the elections (or corruption for that matter) of any other country in the world.

From DR1:

"Sigma Dos poll: Medina 64.6%, Abinader 30.8%.

Sigma Dos poll forecast yesterday, Wednesday 11 May 2016 that President Danilo Medina will be re-elected with a vote of 64.6% to 30.8% for Luis Abinader of the PRM. A poll carried out from 7-9 May 2016 shows that Medina will receive 56% of votes cast for the PLD and another 8. 7% from allies. Meanwhile, Abinader would receive 24.6% for the PRM and 6. 2% from allies. For the poll, 1,200 eligible voters were surveyed. Maijo Gutierrez, director of the Spanish polling company in the country, said that 78% of those polled expressed satisfaction with the Medina government. ".

Actual results:

"According to the first bulletin issued by the Central Electoral Board (JCE) at 12:10 am this morning, Monday 16 May 2016, President Danilo Medina has succeeded in his bid for a second term. The third bulletin from the JCE issued at 7 am today gives Medina 62% compared to 35.13% for Luis Abinader of the PRM. Political analysts attribute the win to the strong Danilo brand. Media commentators point out that Medina could win with the highest percentage ever achieved by any Dominican presidential candidate. ".

All of my girls were happy with the results except for one. The one exception said her position was that the longer politicians are in office here the more opportunity for corruption they have. She believed they should be turned out every election. I thought that was an interesting take on the political situation in her country. She was doing her physics homework while we were watching the elections results together.

Help me out here if I'm wrong, but I don't think any of you out there are having that kind of conversation, or experience for that matter, with your working girls (Mr. Parkinsons, please correct me if I'm wrong.). This is simply illustrative of the "qualitative difference" that I have mentioned before which seems to go over the head of some people. It appears to me that many are posting their opinions about an entire country based on the happiness of their dick. If that is the case, I completely understand why their insight might be somewhat lacking.

Help me out here if I'm wrong, but I don't think any of you out there are having that kind of conversation, or experience for that matter, with your working girls (Mr. Parkinsons, please correct me if I'm wrong.). This is simply illustrative of the "qualitative difference" that I have mentioned before which seems to go over the head of some people. It appears to me that many are posting their opinions about an entire country based on the happiness of their dick. If that is the case, I completely understand why their insight might be somewhat lacking.

You never seem to miss an opportunity to promote the wonder and beauty that is you.

You presume that no one the board who speaks Spanish, other than yourself, has ever had a conversation about politics.

Checking the six months you have been posting, totalling just over 100 posts, most of those have been arguments and ego inflation exercises.

There are few major posters on the boards you have not argued with. Frannie, Tempoecorto, even those you have kissed and made up with, like Mr Gogo and GrownMan1. You have wasted no time in lecturing people with close to 1000,2000, or even 3000 posts.

It could be that most of the other posters on the board have an inflated self image, an ego that can't abide correction, and a confrontational style that always demeans others, but its more likely its you, amigo.

GrownMan1 in a post to you.

To be honest at 11:27 Feb the 16 Mr. G whatsapp me about your Blog and said he was going to give you his take and help support you in your new Blog. I replied at the same time SubCmdr opened a new blog. He must be tired of taking to the man in the mirror and needs an audience. I'm trying to like him but I see our characters collide. Before I comment or support, I am going to chill because you have a history of taking an offense to peoples comments who are not try to offend you.

He pegged you pretty well.

Seriously, Try to avoid this habit of demeaning all others while inflating your ego. You sound like Donald Trump. I AM THE GREATEST -BLANK. I HAVE THE GREATEST BLANK.

There are others on the boards who also live in the DR, most longer than you, yet somehow, they manage to avoid the constant sarcasm, offensive manner, and constant self-love.

As evidenced by the recent exchange you had with Parkinson, people tire of hearing about your perfection. There are too many examples of this in your six month board presence for the space allowed. (And I could list the examples for you. Its a long list, my friend). One gets the impression that if you had the flexibility, you would fellate yourself.

As a resident, you can certainly provide your insights, but don't presume you are unique. That is arrogance.

Mr, Yanqui66,

You are a critic! Just like the others. Whereas, Grownman, whom you look up to greatly, Mr. Gogo, BQRibs, FibMac31 along with many others and myself are all men in the arena. And that's all you really need to know.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1880613]You never seem to miss an opportunity to promote the wonder and beauty that is you. You presume that no one the board who speaks Spanish, other than yourself, has ever had a conversation about politics.[/QUOTE]Inaccurate. You know I don't speak spanish. At least not very well. Haven't you been reading the posts of Professor Fannie or Professor Tamponecorto or for that matter Mr. Parkinsons? I'm man enough to admit that I have much to learn. I make mistakes and I take my lessons in stride.

Take a moment and really read what I wrote and then read your response. I proposed a question after describing MY experience. Did you answer my question? Did you provide an example of political discussion with one of YOUR chicas. No you did not. So, is your issue with me personally, with the opinion of my chica or with the fact that I provided the example and asked the question in the first place?

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1880613]Checking the six months you have been posting, totalling just over 100 posts, most of those have been arguments and ego inflation exercises. .[/QUOTE]So you have just under 900 posts and so you feel that grants you the license to judge me. It does not my man. I'm not going to tell you what to write about or how to write it. But I haven't really found your posts to contain any information that I can use.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1880613]There are few major posters on the boards you have not argued with. Frannie, Tempoecorto, even those you have kissed and made up with, like Mr Gogo and GrownMan1. You have wasted no time in lecturing people with close to 1000,2000, or even 3000 posts.

It could be that most of the other posters on the board have an inflated self image, an ego that can't abide correction, and a confrontational style that always demeans others, but its more likely its you, amigo.[/QUOTE]So post count makes the man, my friend. I didn't know that. I've learned something today. Thank you.

Thank you for sharing your opinion with me my man and you are certainly entitled to it. But you have not presented your credentials to speak for others. If YOU feel demeaned or lectured by my posts, I can give you my personal assurance that was not my intent. My posts are opinionated and filled with passionate discourse. But, I post with total absence of malice.

Your response quite possibly provides insight into your own feelings of guilt about the activities that you engage and post about here. I don't remember saying a single thing about you in any of my previous posts, nor you engaging me in any form previous to this. Although the next time you need or want to vent your frustrations for the day, you are welcome to PM and do it that way. It will save you the vet bills you incur from kicking you dog each night when you return home and help you to avoid animal cruelty charges. That's what the system is for. I am here for you friend if you need me. LOL.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1880613]Seriously, Try to avoid this habit of demeaning all others while inflating your ego. . [/QUOTE]"Do or do not, there is no try" Yoda.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1880613]You sound like Donald Trump. I AM THE GREATEST -BLANK. I HAVE THE GREATEST BLANK. [/QUOTE]Ok, this is the political thread about the Dominican Republic. So this is a little off topic. Speaking of Donald Trump. Do you live in the US my friend? If so, can you explain to me why the party of rich white guys doesn't like Donald Trump? After all he is a rich white guy just like them. And he has been able to appeal to the core constituency of the Republican party. I live in the Dominican Republic. I haven't been back to the US to get a feel for what's going on in my country of origin. Help a brother out here.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1880613]There are others on the boards who also live in the DR, most longer than you, yet somehow, they manage to avoid the constant sarcasm, offensive manner, and constant self-love.

As evidenced by the recent exchange you had with Parkinson, people tire of hearing about your perfection. There are too many examples of this in your six month board presence for the space allowed. (And I could list the examples for you. Its a long list, my friend)[/QUOTE]Please take the opportunity to list them for me my friend. It's impossible for me to engage in the self improvement you desire for me without providing the specific examples.

I'm sorry you have no self love Mr. Yanqui69. As I pointed out to Mr. Parkinsons there are mental health professionals that can help you with that. It's funny that most of all the others that you speak for that live in the Dominican Republic on this board have not taken issue with me. Why do you feel the need to speak for people you simply don't represent?

But in relation to the exchange with Parkinsons it seems like he has been able to hold his own without your help. And I sense no hostility from Parkinsons. We have been going at it like two singles players on the tennis court who shake hands at the next at the end of the match. Only you seem to have missed the good-natured ribbing that has been going on between us.

What surprised me most is that I made a trip report about Sosua in the Sosua section and he took issue with it. I'm not sure why. Am I not allowed to travel to Sosua? I'm I not allowed to post about my trip to Sosua and other parts of the North Coast of the Dominican Republic? Was my post off topic? Did I not follow the ascribed format for trip reports in that section? You seem to know everything about everybody on this board. Tell me what he was thinking my friend?

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1880613]One gets the impression that if you had the flexibility, you would fellate yourself. [/QUOTE]Sounds more like a projection of your inner desire for an activity that you can't do yourself. But let me give you a little hint. Travel to Sosua. There are lots of working girls there willing to do it for you if you give up the pesos. You even might be able to get BBBJ if you play your cards right.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1880613]As a resident, you can certainly provide your insights, but don't presume you are unique. That is arrogance.[/QUOTE]Are you giving me your permission to provide my insights because I live here? Thank you. But I don't think you have the authority to do that. My best guess, and let me know if I'm wrong here, is that Jackson is the sole arbiter of that privilege.

I do not presume I am unique. Those are your words. Most read this board and do not post a thing. They take and they take and they take and they give nothing. Read my thread. I have provided concrete information about Santo Domingo. If you don't find my posts useful because it's not on your list of destinations when you travel for sexual tourism (is that the correct use of the term Parkinson?) I understand this. It appears to me that you simply do not like my style of writing. Since you seem to look up to Grownman and want use him as an example try this:

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1841216]I had you on my ignore list but after meeting you, when I returned from SD I took you off for the sake of getting along.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1841391]Now you are kool saying it was just a disagreement. If you want to relegate it to that kool. Lets let to tomorrow be a new day. Maybe I judged your character wrong. Your actions will tell us all.[/QUOTE]You have quoted Grownman. I have quoted Grownman. Things change. If you choose to remain rooted in the past so be it. I can't help you with that. But if you continue to receive mental discomfort through your eyeholes by reading my posts, you CAN do something about that. Do what Grownman did initially and put me on ignore, but unlike him, leave me there. ROTHFLMAO!

You made almost the exact same post in two different sections. Interesting, isn't it? In either of your posts, did you add any new information about the topic of discussion of the respective threads (Politics in the Dominican Republic or Sosua) ? No you did not. You only spoke about me. Thank you but it's really not necessary.

All Rise! (Subcmdr leaves the room).

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1880688]I don't remember saying a single thing about you in any of my previous posts, nor you engaging me in any form previous to this.[/QUOTE]Mr, Yanqui68,

I must apologize for making this statement. I actually didn't remember engaging you before. Shows how memorable our previous exchange was for me. You have taken offense to my posts before and let me know. Of course I didn't take it personally. Nor did I remember our interaction until I happened upon it while reviewing my body of work here. Which, might I add, is most outstanding!

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1880613]Help me out here if I'm wrong, but I don't think any of you out there are having that kind of conversation, or experience for that matter, with your working girls (Mr. Parkinsons, please correct me if I'm wrong.)[/QUOTE]Funny, I was just chatting with my Santiago girl on Whatspp this past Saturday. She's not a working girl, only a high school grad and works at a beauty salon. Whatever that means. (Small sample size, of one! I know.) I asked her if she was going to vote, she simply said she doesn't like to vote. WTF kind of response is that? Either say you don't like the candidates or some BS like "even if I vote I can't change the system anyways". But I guess that would involve having a position, or a thought. Too much to ask!

Personally I like Danilo. 6%+ GDP growth for ten straight quarters, can't argue with results. Let's hope they can make it last.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1880783]Funny, I was just chatting with my Santiago girl on Whatspp this past Saturday. She's not a working girl, only a high school grad and works at a beauty salon. Whatever that means. (Small sample size, of one! I know.) I asked her if she was going to vote, she simply said she doesn't like to vote. WTF kind of response is that? Either say you don't like the candidates or some BS like "even if I vote I can't change the system anyways". But I guess that would involve having a position, or a thought. Too much to ask!

Personally I like Danilo. 6%+ GDP growth for ten straight quarters, can't argue with results. Let's hope they can make it last.[/QUOTE]Now that's what I'm talking about Mr. Parkinsons! Keeping it real. Keeping it positive. And reporting on a experience with a non working girl. So you and I have something in common after all. Mr. Yanqui69 you taking notes on this?

Let's get back to Politics:

From DR1.

"If the results stand as they are in terms of percentage, President Danilo Medina will be the first presidential candidate to receive over 60% of the votes in an election over the past two decades, and especially notable for a candidate seeking re-election when a president's popularity often declines.

The JCE says 72% of those registered to vote did so".

72% turn out. Are you kidding me? That's unbelieveable. The highest turnout for the last FOUR Presidential elections in the US was 62.3 in 2008.

From DR1.

"Mainly calm during election.

The head of the Electoral Military Police, General Eduardo Mani announced yesterday, Monday 16 May 2016 that six people lost their lives during the whole electoral process but that all incidents had occurred outside the voting centers.

He said that on 15 May 2016, Election Day itself, 38 firearms were confiscated in order to guarantee the safety of voting centers".

DAMN! People packin "gats and stuff" for the election. They take their politics pretty seriously down here. But no one should die in the electoral process.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1881155]72% turn out. Are you kidding me? That's unbelieveable. The highest turnout for the last FOUR Presidential elections in the US was 62.3 in 2008.[/QUOTE]In Peru, voting is compulsory. There is a $60 fine for not voting. I doubt if I will even vote in the next US election.

Dominican Today- 13 April 2016.

Santo Domingo- President Danilo Medina headed groundbreaking Wednesday for the construction of a water treatment plant on the Ozama River, at a cost of 55.7 million euros, funded by Deutsche Bank.

The ceremony included Santo Domingo Aqueduct Utility (CAASD) director Alejandro Montas, Environment minister Bautista Rojas, senator Cristina Lizardo, Administrative minister Jose Ramon Peralta, and other officials.

The work by contractor Incatema Consulting will benefit over 450,000 residents in the northern part of the National District and the municipality Santo Domingo Norte.

Montas said among the sectors that will benefit from the plant figure La Zurza, Cristo Rey, Villas Agricolas, Villa Consuelo, Villa Juana, Ensanche Luperand, Viejo Arroyo Hondo I why II, Capotillo, Cuesta Hermosa I why II, Simand Bolvar, Sabana Perdida, Villa Mella and Los Guaricanos, among others.

From DR1:

In his Diario Libre editorial today, Friday 3 June 2016, Adriano Miguel Tejada writes that the outcome of United States election could be a lose-lose situation for the Dominican Republic. He says both candidates will probably bring about deterioration in relations between the two countries.

On the positive side he says that Hillary Clinton has been a frequent visitor to the country. On the negative side, however, he mentions criticism of her husband's and other relatives' links to Haiti, as well as her dependence on the Black Caucus, NGOs related to human rights issues and the unions in the US, which have misgivings about the Dominican Republic.

On the positive side, he says that Donald Trump knows the country because he has done business here, but points out the concerns about the way Trump might handle his foreign policy, and his negative comments about Latinos.

[URL]http://www.diariolibre.com/opinion/am/trump-o-hillary-II3903082[/URL]

I enjoy seeing how people in other countries view US politics and current events. Often I find that they think the US is a fucked up country. And I think they are right! Other than making money the US has very little to offer when it comes to things in life that really matter.

From DR1:

According to a report in Listin Diario last week, two men were elected as Congressional deputies on 15 May despite having been accused of asset laundering and drug trafficking and having been tried by courts in the Dominican Republic and the United States. The deputies-elect are Sergio Moya de la Cruz for the National District and Franklin Romero for the province of Duarte (San Francisco de Macoris) according to the preliminary vote count by the Central Electoral Board (JCE).

In July 1998, the National Drug Control Agency (DNCD) accused Moya de la Cruz (Gory), who was elected for Circumscription 3 of the National District on the PRM ticket, of laundering US $300 million together with 14 other individuals.

In March 2000, Moya obtained a discharge on the grounds of "insufficient evidence" from the Second Penal Chamber presided by judge Ilsis Munoz. At the time, the Attorney General's office money laundering prosecutor, German Miranda Villalona, had asked for an eight-year sentence.

In the case of deputy-elect Franklin Romero, accusations against him were heard in the United States after he was arrested in Panama when boarding a cruise ship in 2011 and sentenced by judge Lawrence McKenna of the Southern District Court of New York.

In March 2016, prosecutor Miranda Villalona stated that 10-20 candidates in the general election had links to money laundering or drug trafficking.

Miranda Villalona called on the political parties exercise greater control over who was financing the campaigns. "We are seeing the threat of organized crime cartels penetrating political party campaign funding, he warned. At the time, the Central Electoral Board (JCE) president said it was impossible to remove anyone who had not been convicted from the candidates' list.

[URL]http://www.listindiario.com/la-republica/2016/06/03/421703/fantasma-lavado-de-activos-asoma-en-el-nuevo-congreso[/URL]

DR1 Daily News -- Friday, 10 June 2016:

United Women's Movement (Modemu) president Jackeline Montero ran for a seat in the Chamber of Deputies on the PRM ticket and was elected. A former prostitute, she says she will focus on promoting the creation of training and reorientation centers for sex workers in each province of the country, as well as the installation and operation of daycare centers for working mothers.

In an interview with Listin Diario, she spoke out against the installation of prostitution tolerance centers in each province, where the profession can be practiced with National Police protection. Montero says that instead, training and orientation centers should be built for these women, so they can achieve a better qualify of life and improved health.

She estimates that there are 200,000 sex workers nationwide and said that she would be representing them and defending their rights in Congress. Her movement, Modemu, has registered 10,800 sex workers.

OK, so this is not exactly Politics in the Dominican Republic. But I think if this guy gets elected and keeps getting elected and gets onto the right committee or becomes the chair of the right committee, he might have some input into US policy affecting the Dominican Republic. Yes, I know a lot of ifs and a might. This one is going to play out over time. But interesting to me from a sociological point of view, it also points to how a shift in demographics can change political influence.

From DR1:

The Dominican-American New York State Senator, Adriano Espaillat, who was born 27 September 1954 in Santiago de LOS Caballeros, is poised to become the first Dominican-born member of the USA House of Representatives. In its coverage on the vote during the Democratic primary to replace retiring 86-year old Representative Charles Rangel, the New York Times highlights that if the early results hold, this would be the first time since 1944 that an African-American will not represent the 13th Congressional District. The previous incumbents were Rangel and Adam Clayton Powell Jr. Rangel, who has represented the District for nearly 50 years, having been elected 23 times, had endorsed Assemblyman Keith Wright who opposed Espaillat.

The 13th Congressional District covers upper Manhattan and a large area of the Bronx, including Harlem and East Harlem and areas with dense Dominican populations such Washington Heights, Inwood and Northwest Bronx.

With 98% of the vote counted, Espaillat had 37% of the vote compared to 34% for Wright. This was Espaillat's third bid for Congress. He ran against Rangel in 2012 and 2014. Espaillat would become the first Dominican immigrant elected to the US Congress.

The New York Daily News pointed out that the vote results signal a shift in influence in the historically black Congressional district and also long the epicenter of black politics citywide and toward its newly surging Hispanic electorate.

The New York Times explains that if Espaillat wins the primary, he would be the most likely winner of the House of Representatives seat in the November 2016 general election because of the district's overwhelmingly Democratic registration.

The New York Times highlights: "A victory by Mr. Espaillat would realize a long-sought goal of the so-called Dominican diaspora, which began to take root here in large numbers after the United States invaded the Caribbean nation in 1965. Many landed in Washington Heights, where the streets became outposts of the towns left behind. "

[URL]http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2016/06/28/democratic-primary-tuesday-in-nyc.html[/URL]

[URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rep-charles-rangel-endorses-keith-wright-house-successor-article-1.2690968[/URL]

[URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/espaillat-congress-best-choice-replace-rangel-article-1.2685752[/URL]

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/nyregion/adriano-espaillat-charles-rangel-first-dominican-in-congress.html?_r=0[/URL]

From DR1:

The Chamber of Deputies on 29 June 2016, passed a bill that calls for major changes within the National Police. The bill was in response to an alarming increase in crime. Citizens participating in electoral day polls cited the high crime rate as the number one problem affecting the country. The bill had already passed in the Senate and now moves to the President's desk for signing and publishing to become law.

The spokesman for the deputies of the ruling PLD, Elpidio Baez, said the project calls for the implementation of improved police investigative capacity and community outreach services. It also contemplates a reduction of the number of generals, setting a maximum of 20 generals. It establishes a maximum active duty of 10 years for generals.

The chief of the Police will now be known as the director general and will remain in the post for two years and then automatically be placed into retirement. The bill gives President Danilo Medina two years to make the adjustments in the number of active generals and colonels in the Police Department.

The bill also calls for a strengthening of the internal affairs division of the Police to better monitor the performance and behavior of police officers to discourage abuse and the use of excessive force.

It also prohibits a generalized practice of police doing double duty with private individuals and companies.

[URL]http://www.listindiario.com/la-republica/2016/06/29/425012/diputados-convirtio-en-ley-el-proyecto-de-reforma-policial[/URL]

[URL]http://www.elcaribe.com.do/2016/06/29/diputados-convierten-ley-proyecto-que-reforma-policia-nacional[/URL]

[URL]http://www.diariolibre.com/noticias/politica/diputados-aprueban-proyecto-de-reforma-policial-DI4183665[/URL]

[URL]http://www.diariolibre.com/noticias/politica/ley-de-policia-aprobada-por-diputados-reduce-a-20-el-numero-de-generales-AY4188435[/URL]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1892065]DR1 Daily News -- Friday, 10 June 2016:

United Women's Movement (Modemu) president Jackeline Montero ran for a seat in the Chamber of Deputies on the PRM ticket and was elected. A former prostitute, she says she will focus on promoting the creation of training and reorientation centers for sex workers in each province of the country, as well as the installation and operation of daycare centers for working mothers.

In an interview with Listin Diario, she spoke out against the installation of prostitution tolerance centers in each province, where the profession can be practiced with National Police protection. Montero says that instead, training and orientation centers should be built for these women, so they can achieve a better qualify of life and improved health.

She estimates that there are 200,000 sex workers nationwide and said that she would be representing them and defending their rights in Congress. Her movement, Modemu, has registered 10,800 sex workers.[/QUOTE]It will be interesting once she takes office. The issues in Sosua are local. So, I'm wondering if she will take an interest in what is happening there. Maybe in the chicas on the street. But the business owners that can't even bother to do what they need to do (pay) get a proper licence to operate? I doubt it.

Ultimately, the issues in Sosua are for the Dominicans to hash out. I doubt if they care much about how it affects the sexual tourists that like to frequent the place. If they want to get prostitution off the streets and make it less visible. No harm, no foul. The chicas will adapt, adjust, improvise and overcome. Business owners will set up BOB private clubs for after hours and the party will continue. And the Sexual Tourists will keep arriving with hard dicks, suitcases full of dresses, and handfuls of pesos. With the full intent to distribute all of the aforementioned items as widely as possible. It's not like they have made prostitution illegal in the Dominican Republic.

[URL]http://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2016/7/7/59898/Prostitute-turned-deputy-makes-Dominican-history-starting-Aug[/URL]

From DR1 Dateline 14 July 2016:

The board of directors of the Institute of Retired Generals of the National Police (IGREPOL) is asking President Danilo Medina to veto the bill to reform the Police recently passed in Congress. The bill is now pending the President's signing and publishing to be law. Among other measures it calls for a drastic reduction in the number of working generals in the Police.

[URL]http://www.elnuevodiario.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=487715[/URL]

Por Supesto! (But of course) LOL!

[QUOTE=Yonkers44;1908774]As much as I agree that the 2000 SCOTUS ruling, stopping the ballot counting in Florida, was poorly written and biased, this is not a place to post politically charged statements that you can not prove and in addition make for an ill considered comparison with the Dominican actions that are executive in nature, not legal. And this coming from someone that just the other day, acting as Mr Camaro 's surrogate, indicated that a reference to Spain in a VALID and FACTUAL reference to validate my view on DR' high cost of living, should have been in another forum. And then you finished your post whith a puerile LOL. Back in High School I guess. You, that are in record as a native speaker should know that injecting religious or political opinions in an unsolicited way is frown upon back home. Now. I will rest and see if any poodle comes out barking.[/QUOTE]Mr. Yonkers,

Aince you seem to have an objection to political discussion in the reports section for The Sue, I'll address you further here:

A simple definition of politics:

1. activities that relate to influencing the actions and policies of a government or getting and keeping power in a government.

2. the work or job of people (such as elected officials) who are part of a government.

3. the opinions that someone has about what should be done by governments: a person's political thoughts and opinions.

Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary.

I'll reference 1 and 3. I was giving my opinion of what happened in the 2000 Presidential election and using it as a comparison since the actions going on in The Sue are indeed political. And we were discussing the actions of government officials within the Dominican Republic.

About the 2000 presidential election in the US, the facts are there were questionable activities taking place within the state of Florida when it comes to the counting of the votes and access to polls. At that time the governorship of the state Jeb Bush was the brother of one of the candidates. The ruling came down in favor his brother. If that happened in any other country in the world the United States Government would protest the election results. It is my opinion the 2000 presidential election was jacked on behalf of George Bush by his brother. Furthermore the United States of America is in no position to stand in judgment of the results of free and fair elections anywhere in the world.

The actions occurring in The Sue are political. They are the results of the people of The Sue voting to take their streets back from the prostitutes and mongers operating individually or in roving gangs. And I actually don't think it matters a damn bit to the Dominicans about the racial make up of the mongers in question.

In Other Business:

I can't figure out why you think it's OK to reference another country in your posts, but I can't reference another county in mine. I can't say for sure or claim to understand why you have a problem with the fact that I found Mr. Camaro's report useful and informative. But, I suspect it might be related to your deeply held desire to be critical. I looked for your trip report about Spain and could not find it. But if you wish to keep sharing information about your trip to Spain in the Dominican Republic section, I am not the moderator there and have no standing to object.

President Danilo Medina was in Sosua, Puerto Plata on Thursday, 14 July 2016, for the inauguration of the Professor Jeremias Kerry Green Grade School. The elementary school, equipped for the extended school day, is located in the Barrio La Union. Parents praised the new school's facilities, where children will receive breakfast and lunch as well as afternoon classes. The school is also has a basketball court and a recreation area. The Presidency reported that as part of the school construction, adjacent streets were repaved, giving the barrio an overall improved appearance.

[URL]https://presidencia.gob.do/noticias/escuela-profesor-jeremias-kerry-green-cambia-imagen-y-trae-progreso-a-sosua[/URL]

Wao! Paved streets and everything. They really went all out on this one fellas. The Sue is already on the cum up! It all starts with education. And it take a village of mongers to pay for raising a child. Right?

Although I cannot speak for politics here iN DR, I want to insert my comments into the discussion. I feel uniquely qualified in several ways. First, I have been elected to a political office in Texas. And secondly, during the 2000 Florida election I served as a precinct Captain, and as the polling place clerk on that election day and for the previous 20 years. For those unfamiliar with that process, it means that all poll workers in the state must attend mandatory training. A polling place clerk is the Colonel in charge. A clerk is typically assigned an assistant who is assigned specific duties by his clerk, at least two deputies to ensure election laws are followed and to patrol outside the polling place, two or three members to compare the voters' register to names and IDs, and one or two members to issue the actual ballots. Lastly, one individual is assigned to ensure that the voter is guided to a location to cast the vote and that no person leaves the polling place with a ballot in hand. The redundancy to ensure voters rights are protected, including a solid education of the process, is incredible. Whenever there is doubt about anything, the clerk or assistant is directed to resolve the issue with the Supervisor of Elections office immediately. In most cases the voter is given a chance to cast a Provisional Ballot which is examined by an election panel outside the voting place to ensure compliance with election law.

Every US citizen should participate in this process and be intimately aware of the routine.

It is general policy nationwide that when two candidates' ballot count is close, that there is clear and convincing evidence that a count error may have been made, to conduct a recount. In Florida, the law requires the results counted in a precinct's voting machine be posted outside the entrance to the polling place. This is done before the ballot box and ballots ever leave the precinct. And then nobody goes home until the Supervisor of Elections has the materials, and all totals balance from the machines and individual multi-worker counts. It's pretty lock step. The actual ballots cast are warehoused.

All the rest of the county clerks like myself were stymied by the kerscuffle in two southern Florida counties because they went through the same state-wide training standard we did. You don't have to like the count, but it is what is is. And, in our now incredibly litigious society, the issue of a recount went to court. The state supreme court made a decision contrary to the good order and practice used in history of previous elections and ordered a recount. We can only surmise that it was a political decision favoring one candidate. But the final US Supreme Courts decision that let the vote count stand was based on a state-wide count completed within the framework described above. Two counties cannot dictate a state election when the closeness of the election displeases them. And more importantly would have been used automatically had the margin of counting error been within the standards historically used to initiate a recount. In my opinion the decision not to uphold the state supreme court's decision was based more on adherence to an election standard then to the demand for a recount by a few outside the normally used standard.

"The actions occurring in The Sue are political. They are the results of the people of The Sue voting to take their streets back from the prostitutes and mongers operating individually or in roving gangs. And I actually don't think it matters a damn bit to the Dominicans about the racial make up of the mongers in question".

I would disagree on both statements.

More important, I would suggest to admin to close the thread altogether. Leave the politics to Dominicans and out of this forum.

[QUOTE=Questner;1909419]"The actions occurring in The Sue are political. They are the results of the people of The Sue voting to take their streets back from the prostitutes and mongers operating individually or in roving gangs. And I actually don't think it matters a damn bit to the Dominicans about the racial make up of the mongers in question".

I would disagree on both statements.

More important, I would suggest to admin to close the thread altogether. Leave the politics to Dominicans and out of this forum.[/QUOTE]Mr. Questner,

You will find discussion of politics in the The Sue reports section also. I did not start that discussion nor do I remember reading about your objections to it there. By the very nature of us being visitors here the politics will be left to the Dominicans. Of course over all the Forum is a place where we share information, our views, and opinions.

The name of the thread is: Politics in the Dominican Republic. You have to click on the thread to read it contents. If you find this this thread objectionable, you could simply not read it. Buena idea, no? Good idea, No?

I just booked a ticket to Santo Domingo and the airline saw fit to give me a detailed accounting of the collective JACK from the respective governments. The information is posted below for anyone who is interested. It should be noted that the US Government sees fit to tax me on my worldwide income (I'm a individual not a corporation). I've already paid income taxes on the money I used to buy the ticket when I earned it. No, I'm not Trump. I can't just walk around grabbing women in the pussy (in the US or the DR) and I've got to pay taxes. GTF!

Taxes, Fees and Charges.

Dominican Republic. Airport Authority Fee (UX).

$15.00 USD.

United States. September 11th Security Fee (Passenger Civil Aviation Security Service Fee) (AY).

$5.60 USD.

Dominican Republic. Airport Infrastructure Fee (VB).

$16.30 USD.

United States. Passenger Facility Charge (XF).

$9.00 USD.

United States. Transportation Tax (US).

$17.80 USD.

And he is right! I'm glad the Dominican President got in that ass. The US has no standing to talk to anyone about the growing, processing, packing and transportation of drugs when it can't even get a handle on the social conditions that have spawned a increase of domestic drug use that has grown to nearly epidemic proportions. Hell, even a couple of states have thrown in the towel on the weed issue. And the Feds have now softened the banking regulations to all allow the weed business access to the banking system (I guess there was too much cash moving that the government couldn't get a handle on). Now personally as long as your drug use does not effect me personally (I. E. Your are not providing me with services while using drugs) I could give a fuck what you prefer to smoke, sniff, pop or shoot. US people want to get high but the US government wants to ride a high horse and start calling out other countries about drugs. RUN-DMC said it best: "They be illin".

From DR1 Daily New: 21 Friday October 2016.

"President Danilo Medina has responded to US Ambassador Brewster's recent comments describing the Dominican Republic as a growing transshipment point for drugs to the United States by comparing the US to a 10-lane highway for the drugs that enter the DR for shipment to the US. Brewster said that drug operations were endangering investments in the country.

Medina said: "There is talk that the Dominican Republic is a bridge for drugs. For that matter, then the United States is a 10-lane highway for the destination of the same drugs. ".

In his remarks, US Ambassador Brewster also spoke of administrative corruption that could affect US investments in the country and any prospective investors in the Dominican market. Medina responded to questions from journalists by asking: "What corruption?" he said the US ambassador should be specific and not speak in general terms.

Medina was speaking on Thursday, 20 October 2016 while receiving credentials from the new ambassadors of the Netherlands, Japan, Honduras, India, Poland and Belgium at the Presidential Palace. "

From DR1 9 November 2016:

In the election that ended with the surprise win by Republican candidate businessman Donald Trump over former first lady, senator and secretary of state Hillary Clinton, Dominican Democrat candidates fared well.

Democrat Adriano Espaillat became the first Dominican-American to be elected to the House of Representatives of the United States in the general election in the United States on Tuesday, 8 November 2016. He will succeed Representative Charles Rangel, a fellow Democrat who has held the seat since 1971.

"I am deeply grateful to the people of the 13th Congressional District for electing me to serve as their next Congressman," he remarked via his Twitter account.

In comments to the Wall Street Journal after the election, Espaillat said:

"It really is about new leadership. It's about turning the page," Mr. Espaillat, a Democrat, said in an interview. "In the Bronx, in Harlem or Washington Heights, I've found a lot of excitement from people willing to sit down with me and trying to influence the next 10 years of this district."

Espaillat had endorsed Marisol Alcantara, the Democratic district leader in Harlem, to succeed him in his 31st District seat of the New York Senate as he ran to replace Rep. Charles Rangel. Alcantara was also elected with 85.6% of the vote.

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/elections/res...te-district-31[/URL]

Dominican Carmen de la Rosa was elected to the New York District 72 State Assembly with 79% of the vote. She was uncontested.

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/elections/res...se-district-72[/URL]

Jose Peralta, running on the Democratic ticket for the New York 13th District seat in the New York State Senate, also won with 86.7% of the vote.

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/elections/res...te-district-13[/URL]

[URL]http://www.wsj.com/articles/espailla...eat-1478649622[/URL]

DR1 Daily News. Thursday, 9 February 2017:

"Migration Agency says it treats people with respect.

In a written statement, the Migration Agency (DGM) reiterated on Wednesday, 8 February 2017, their respect for human rights and that the entity carries out its duties professionally. Recently there has been criticism regarding operations that aim to verify the legal status of foreigners in the country.

In the press statement, the agency says that foreigners whose documents are expired are required in a respectful manner to get them up to date by the agents. The DGM confirmed that immigration inspectors are combing the country, with a focus in tourist areas and their agents have been instructed to give all persons the best of treatment. The official statement says: "It is not true that we are causing panic among foreigners who are illegal he in the country; what is happening is that they have to normalize their status just like what happens in other countries where some Dominicans may be living without proper travel papers. ".

The Migration agency says that when an inspector detains a foreigner because he or she cannot produce valid documentation, the agents are instructed to immediately refer that person to the proper authorities so these may update their papers. The document says that these actions are routine and the agents are performing their duties in the same manner as in other countries.

[URL]http://elnacional.com.do/migracion-d...d-de-ilegales/[/URL]".

The ambassador of Venezuela (hereafter referred to as V's) in the Dominican Republic (DR) says that 3000 - 4000 V's have legal status in the DR, while around 20,000 V's are living here undocumented since last year last year as reported in El DIA. The ambassador admitted that economic reasons are behind the migration of most of those arriving in the DR. Now I just love this because I finally have a political story in this section that I can relate directly to pussy. LOL!

Economic reasons eh?

Well the V escorts I've run across are not having any economic problems. They are charging 3000 - 5000 pesos from anywhere from 1 hour to 3 hours and they are not coming off the price one bit. Of course one of my boys referred me (here I go again posting information someone gave me) to an agency where the V escorts will come directly to your hotel room or apartment for about the same price. That way you save the cabana fee.

Now, I wonder why the V's can charge so much more than the Dominican's and Haitian's selling pussy?

When it comes to that, I have nothing for you man. I mean it's all pussy; wet, warm and pink on the inside. And what's with all this reporting about pussy stink lately? There is a difference between the smell of pussy needing a quick wash up and having some sort of infection. And every great pussy hunter should know the difference. I know I do! But I digress.

Sourced from DR1 Daily News Tuesday June 13,2017.

American policeman to go to jail for smuggling drugs into the country.

A former Miami-Dade police officer who was accused of helping smuggle firearms to the Dominican Republic pleaded guilty Monday, 12 June 2017, in a Florida federal court to unlawfully exporting firearms.

According to the Department of Justice, by pleading guilty, Michael Freshko admits that he used his position as a police officer to transport firearms past the TSA screening area at Miami International Airport. He confessed to handing off the guns to a co-conspirator near the departure gates. The co-conspirator would then store the guns in carry-on baggage and travel to the Dominican Republic aboard a commercial flight to deliver the guns to another associate.

Department of Justice officials said Freshko confessed to smuggling multiple firearms in October and December 2012. Six guns were smuggled in all, including four Glock. 9 mm pistols, one Sig Sauer. 9 mm pistol and one Sig Sauer 5.56 rifle.

Freshko faces a maximum sentence of five years in federal prison when he is sentenced.

[URL]https://www.local10.com/news/crime/f...nican-republic[/URL]

This was about a corrupt US police officer smuggling firearms into the the Dominican Republic. Oh shit! But it sure would be interesting to know who his associates were in the Dominican Republic. Furthermore somebody has a excellent taste in weaponry. Although I have to say that I'm really not a big fan of the 9 mm stopping power. Give me a. 357 round in that Sig Sauer package and I'm ready to do some serious social work!

So, the next time a discussion breaks out about petty corruption involving the police in the Dominican Republic ask yourself if it is a Dominican thing? Or is it a personality flaw in the individuals involved? Remember there is corruption in my country of origin and they do it bigger and better than anyone one else in the entire world (that's a personal opinion of course). Google: "Bribery navy admiral" and take a look at the articles that come up.

Been a minute since I've updated this forum. If you are a "where the ho's at" sort of guy (with class or not) this is not the section for you. The very nature of this section is that it's full of opinions on the political stories that get posted. I happen to have a deep interest in politics from a observation standpoint.

Dominicans in my social circle are very politically aware. They have a interest in the politics in my country of origin, Republic Dominicana, Latin American and the world. I listen intently when Dominicans in my social circle venture into discussions of the world of politics. I open my mouth only when they ask me to be their guide to the intricacies of the fucked up political and governmental world as it exists in my country of origin.

Never thought of myself as a political expert, but when I speak about the politics of my country of origin it's like EF Hutton (yep, I'm dating myself) in the place. I have the opportunity to explain things from my dark side perspective. And explain I do. I give them insights into how things really work in my county of origin for those of us gifted with an above average amount of melatonin in our skin.

Corruption runs deep in my country of origin. But the bad guys learned long ago to institutionalize corruption and take it out of the public eye. No more raw dog stealing of public funds. Contribute to my campaign when I get elected call me anytime you like when I can introduce or influence a bill that might help your company or you personally. In return you let me use your private jets and vacation homes in exclusive area. Continue to provide me with political support and give me market and business insights that I can use to make business deals or front run positive / negative news about companies with my offshore company or trust. And don't forget to pick up the phone after I'm done and looking for high paying job afterwards that allows me to sell access to all the people I got to know while in office. No matter where I started my national political career I'll leave with quite a bit more money than when I started. I'm from a place where a company is a person and has the right to speak. And speak they do with bags of money thrown around to get those in power to listen to them. No one does corruption the way they do corruption in my country of origin. No one!

Fried brain? I think not. My lethal weapon is my mind. I'm a dark side brother speaking Spanish. It's only a matter of time before I become a enemy of the state. How do I know this? I got plenty of critics right here already. LOL! I've been tracking a number of political stories that are perfect to be covered in this section. There is much more to come. So, come on in. Let's have a discussion. And remember putas vote too.

Source: DR1 Daily News. Wednesday 23 May 2018.

Nine high ranking members of the Medina administration have been dismissed following public scandals for corruption, fraud, murder, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], murder for hire and even [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128][CodeWord128][/url]. The dismissals ordered by President Danilo Medina took place following a number of stories in the media based on court hearings.

Van Troy Suazo was appointed on 19 February 2018 as Deputy Minister of Youth, but at the same time came a message from the jail in Bani that he was serving three months as coercive measures for domestic violence against his wife. The following day he was dismissed from his post. (Get right with ya! I wonder if he used the Marion Barry defense?

Diandino Pea is the ex- director of Opret who was sacked following an interview with Alicia Ortega based on a nine month investigation showing that he was the main beneficiary and legal representative of at least 29 companies, including 15 registered abroad. (Fuck you! Pay me! The investigation also revealed he had quite a bit of money stashed offshore in companies and trusts.).

Arsenio Quevedo, president of the National Union of Transporters (Utrafin) was dismissed as Deputy Director of the Metropolitan Office of Bus Services (OMSA) having been accused in 2015 of running a network of hit men, whose work was to kill drivers. (That's some original gangster shit right there).

Manuel Rivas, former director of OMSA was fired on 16 October 2017 having been arrested linked to the case of the murder of University Professor Yuniol Ramrez, on Wednesday 11 October in the Autonomous University of Santo Domingo (UASD) car park. (Freedom of speech is a useless right when people are willing to pop a cap in you to shut you up. Guess I'm lucky to only have a few critics willing to talk tough from behind the relative safety of their computer screens.).

Marlin Martnez was dismissed from the Passport Office after being accused of hiding evidence and complicity in the murder of pregnant teenager Emely Peguero, who was pregnant by her son. (No comment. But I have been following this case. This one has produced outrage among the people or the Dominican Republic. Although it begs the question about why some people think they can come to the Dominican Republic and monger with class. It's a delusion in their own minds if they think the people of the Dominican Republic are not looking at them as being without class. As it was explained to me there were class differences and social embarrassment wrapped up in this case).

Donni Santana was dismissed as ambassador and director of the National Border Council having been investigated for supposedly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] his step-daughter. (No comment).

Temstocles Monts, member of the Political Committee of the Dominican Liberation Party, was dismissed as Minister of Industry, Commerce and SMEs having been accused of accepting bribes from the Brazilian construction company, Odebrecht. (Didn't a lot of other people take money too?

Leoncio Almnzar was dismissed as director of the Dominican Corporation of State Companies (CORDE) having been interrogated as being associated with the sale of land in the LOS Tres Brazos area of Santo Domingo East. (Don't know anything about this one).

Jos Joaquand Domnguez Pea was fired two days after an investigation into land sales belonging to the State Sugar Council (CEA) recommended his removal as executive director. (And another one bites the dust in the long line of people who sold the one of the most valuable natural resources out from under the Dominican people. I've read about it. Done my research. The price people pay for sugar in my country of origin is inflated. Natural market prices are propped up to help a pair of brothers so powerful they could get FPOTUS to take a phone call in the middle of getting his dick sucked.).

[URL]https://listindiario.com/la-republic...dalos-publicos[/URL]

Looks like President Danilo Medina has taken a course from the host of Political Apprentice in my country of origin. Because he be firing people!

*Note the automatic censors intervened on many parts of the original news story. It ran afoul of the ISG prohibited word database.

It does not take genius like me to determine the tide has turned against the sexual tourists running around with a hand full of pesos in one hand and a hand full of condoms in another. Just check the article out:

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2018/07/16/prostitution-steals-the-peace-in-icon-tourist-town/[/URL]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2204492]It does not take genius like me to determine the tide has turned against the sexual tourists running around with a hand full of pesos in one hand and a hand full of condoms in another. Just check the article out:

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2018/07/16/prostitution-steals-the-peace-in-icon-tourist-town/[/URL][/QUOTE]90% Haitians? What a ridiculous statement.

In light of the discussion in the Santo Domingo Forum about the legality of activities related to prostitution in the Dominican Republic:

National District prosecutors sent Jean Edouard Cornielle Darbouze to pre-trial custody at the Najayo Jail accusing him of pimping and money laundering. He is one of the owners of Eros Barbería why Spa, a business closed down after investigations into the death of Katherine Sanchez from a ninth floor where Cornielle also held an apartment in the same Malecon Center complex. The Oficina de Atencióand Permanente del Distrito Nacional had also ordered pre-trial measures requiring monthly presence, impediment to leave the country, bail of RD $100,000 and use of electronic locator to María Cristina Echeverri theíaz (owner of the business with Cornielle), Ireni Fabiola Abreu and Keyla Carolina Castro Llanos, who according to the Public Ministry they also participated in the illegal activity.

[URL]https://www.metrord.do/do/destacado/...beria-spa.html[/URL]

And this new report:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI0A9zWsVO4[/URL]

For those interested in a Macro economic view of Republica Dominicana. This is one of the factors that make it a favored destination for sexual tourism.

DR1 Daily News 5 March 2019.

A study carried out by the Juan Bosch Foundation and the Development Cooperation Institute (ISCOS in Italian) has revealed that 47% of Dominicans are living below the poverty line. The study is called "The analysis of the announcements made by President Danilo Medina and a comparison to the real numbers in terms of employment, salaries, poverty and pensions", and is based on figures from the Central Bank. The report concluded that the, the average income per person / household was RD $4,644 in 2016.

The report states that between 2014 and 2017 some 380,608 new jobs were created, of which 47% were in the informal sector and in 2017, some 121,066 new jobs were created of which 66.7% were informal, that is they are part of an economy that is neither taxed nor monitored by any form of government.

Comparing the data provided by President Medina, in his state of the nation speech on 27 of February 2019, they said that 60% of people have an average income of RD $11,734 that is below the cost of the cheapest family basket which is RD $13,346.

Matas Bosch Carcuro, Edgar Garca and Cabrera Airon Fernndez said that the majority of the Dominican working population earn much less than is needed to survive with 80% earning less than RD $17,000 that is much less than the average family basket estimated at RD $23,422. They criticized that President Danilo Medina had announced the public sector minimum wage would be doubled to RD $10,000 when the amount does not even cover the cheapest family basket.

[URL]https://eldia.com.do/47-de-los-domin...ea-de-pobreza/[/URL]

I walked into the Bravo on San Isidro and heard a sound that almost made me vomit on the spot. They were playing Boney James over the load speakers. It was an assault on my ear holes that finally brought to the forefront of this nagging feeling that I was having that something was wrong here in Republica Dominicana. And that is the Americanization of the country by multi-national businesses, growing american style consumerism and an advance of the worst that culture Americana has to offer.

Now I don't know if this push is really a demand by Dominicans for everything american. My personal feeling is that the United States of America is way over played throughout the world. Too many believe the hype. The United States of America is devoid of culture, exports the worst of it's habits as culture, and is only good for doing one thing, making money. Now you can consider productivity a culture. But all that work that Americans put in don't do them any good unless they are owners of capital.

Another thing that is really killing the appeal of Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo este is the increasingly traffic nightmare that exists here. Others are up in here talking about people making a move out of Sosua to Santo Domingo. Bad move gentlemen (and I use that word loosely). I'm going north and east. In my opinion although the big cities offer the best entertainment lifestyle and activities for day to day life but they leave much to be desired (like the side effects from medicine or a hangover). In the small towns outside the big cities the chicas are hungry for excitement and pesos and they will take you dick to get the former and not demand much of the latter. Of course you have to have transportation to do that (uber does not cut it for this gentlemen no matter how hard the off-islanders want to ride the collective UBER dick up in here) and you have to speak Spanish. Period. If you don't want to put the work in to learn Spanish (and I understand why) let your pesos communicate and stay in the puta pueblos and big cities.

There are many things about Republica Dominicana that I really enjoy. But maybe I just need a break, a change of location or some strange (just been dicking down my regular rotation lately). But what I don't need is more of the growing american cultural influence being thrown in my face. It's messing up an otherwise amazing experience of Republica Dominicana.

Last piece of advice, if you are thinking of retiring here find your spot and reserve it. There are some great values, but I don't really see them being around 10 - 20 years out. If I was going to do it differently than I did, I'd buy a 1 bedroom 1.5 bath place where I wanted to be. It's like having your own private hotel room. Chicas who clean charge very reasonable prices. Just make sure you are in a building with 24 hour security and take a look the the quality of the cars parked below. I'd stay out of building where there are lots of units being rented by the a double be people. I've found at this point in my life, the only thing I'm willing to time share is pussy. When my time is up the next guy can have it until I return. LOL!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2413182]I walked into the Bravo on San Isidro and heard a sound that almost made me vomit on the spot. They were playing Boney James over the load speakers. It was an assault on my ear holes that finally brought to the forefront of this nagging feeling that I was having that something was wrong here in Republica Dominicana. And that is the Americanization of the country by multi-national businesses, growing american style consumerism and an advance of the worst that culture Americana has to offer.

Now I don't know if this push is really a demand by Dominicans for everything american. My personal feeling is that the United States of America is way over played throughout the world. Too many believe the hype. The United States of America is devoid of culture, exports the worst of it's habits as culture, and is only good for doing one thing, making money. Now you can consider productivity a culture. But all that work that Americans put in don't do them any good unless they are owners of capital.

Another thing that is really killing the appeal of Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo este is the increasingly traffic nightmare that exists here. Others are up in here talking about people making a move out of Sosua to Santo Domingo. Bad move gentlemen (and I use that word loosely). I'm going north and east. In my opinion although the big cities offer the best entertainment lifestyle and activities for day to day life but they leave much to be desired (like the side effects from medicine or a hangover). In the small towns outside the big cities the chicas are hungry for excitement and pesos and they will take you dick to get the former and not demand much of the latter. Of course you have to have transportation to do that (uber does not cut it for this gentlemen no matter how hard the off-islanders want to ride the collective UBER dick up in here) and you have to speak Spanish. Period. If you don't want to put the work in to learn Spanish (and I understand why) let your pesos communicate and stay in the puta pueblos and big cities.[/QUOTE]Very well done post sir. It is always nice to read something well thought out from a thinking person who see's the world around us and can sense the sand shifting under one's feet. This post should be a must read for many of us. For me it hits a whole bunch of nail's right on the head.

And unfortunately it describes a situation taking place all over the planet, including pretty much all of the 'recreation area's' many of us similar thinking folks rotate through.

As the Commander mentions, the situation is changing. And in all to many places, all to rapidly. The New World Order is yesterday's Global Village on a potent mix of steroids and methamphetamine's. And it ain't going to stop soon, and it ain't going to end pretty I don't think.

Folks who are getting a similar feeling need to re-evaluate their priorities and values, and expand their horizons and be willing to be creative and flexible.

There are still very do-able options out there if one is willing to think outside of the box as they say. Last year I spent seven months having a look around East Africa and came home very impressed and will be returning again.

Thanks for the post.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Questner;2414344]Just imagine some sort of Ministry of Tourism, or Ministry of War for that matter, starts making decisions on which bars may open in the US.

They have to come clear on why and by which authority they have been shut down in the first place, and don't allow it to repeat again.

Unlike Colombia, somehow Dominicans don't get the concept of the right to work, somehow they have some strange vision of protecting the vulnerable, somehow they find acceptable to harass their own women.[/QUOTE]I find your post curious. I wonder why you compare different countries (three actually) with three different systems and cultures? Do you actually expect everything to be uniform throughout the world?

If you are a RD vet, then you know that the law here is what the controlling legal authority says it is at the time until the next controlling legal authority of greater influence says it is something different. Dominicans have a vote. But they don't have a say after the politicos are in office.

Prostitution remains legal in RD. So whatever is going on in Sosua is not about the law. In Sosua from what I read (as I don't live there) it seems like the controlling legal authorities want it off the streets and in certain places. Even in Santo Domingo there are streets where you can find prostitutes and ones you cannot. It's really that basic. I'm reading the Sosua forum and laughing my ass off that these off-islanders don't understand that regular tourism trumps sex tourism by about 10 times when it comes to actual money spent.

Lastly, if anyone finds another country that treats them better, I'm a big believer in going where you are treated best. For example, in my opinion there is no better place for making money for a person with no capital and no connections than the United States of America. Whereas there are many different countries throughout the world that have different lifestyles that are better than the United States of America. I find the climate and beaches of Republica Dominicana to be appealing. So much so, I've voted with my pesos and invested here. I have heard from several people who have relatives who live in Colombia that the infrastructure is much better. And it's much less expensive to live there. But if you are an extranjero it's unlikely you are going to get a loan to buy anything (especially real estate).

What's the point of comparing countries?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2413182]I walked into the Bravo on San Isidro and heard a sound that almost made me vomit on the spot. They were playing Boney James over the load speakers. It was an assault on my ear holes that finally brought to the forefront of this nagging feeling that I was having that something was wrong here in Republica Dominicana. And that is the Americanization of the country by multi-national businesses, growing american style consumerism and an advance of the worst that culture Americana has to offer.
[/QUOTE]Well articulated, thoughtful write up. I remember the very first years, when one could hear local music rather than what these days passes for music, coming from the US.

Kudos!

Anyone else not fully engulfed in the El Conde / Zona Colonial night life and happen to be paying attention to the municipal elections coming in the country?

Check out the smoking hot 50 year old MILF that is a candidate for Alcalde (google if it you don't understand what the position entails). It would be a tough decision where to blow my splooge with her. LOL!

Comes back to something I really like about the Dominican Republic. Girls are hot at any age here. And they are consistently 2 - 4 points higher appearance wise than the girls from my country of origin. And if appearance does not matter to you then you are either blind or just lying to us about your dick because you don't want everyone to know you fuck ugly girls. I've never had anyone tell me they wanted referrals of girls between 5 - 7's. It's always 8 - 10's.

Santo Domingo – In the last eight years the Dominican Republic posted an average annual growth of 5% in tourist arrivals, adding 45.2 million visitors between 2012 and 2019, the Tourism Ministry affirmed Sunday.

During that period, 38.7 million non-resident foreigners visited the Caribbean country, or 85.6% of the total, while non-resident Dominicans accounted for 6. 4 million, 14.4% of the total.

The United States tops the list of tourist issuing countries by air with 15.9 million, followed by Canada that holds second place as an issuer, with 6. 2 million.

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2020/02/03/dominican-republic-tourist-arrivals-grow-5-led-by-us/[/URL]

No break down by type of tourist. LOL!

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2423363]Dammit that damn Gogo. Now I'm headed to the Sue to get up with his crew. Taking my road dog Bro Jay. We're going to give this place two days I really want to give an honest evaluation. Brother P sounds like you and I may have the same gripes.
IMHO That segregation or separation is targeted toward the Haitians. There wasn't A major problem with guys doing videos. Video footage of the Su has been floating around for years. That's why the club still allows video coverage inside of the resort. They actually want the promotion. When you control the movement of the people you control who is allowed to enter the premises. Thus no more freedom to roam hurts the Haitians the most because some don't have paperwork.
And even if they did have paperwork unless they are a little connected no entry. The Dominicans don't mind black or white Americans money, but they do have a problem with the Haitians getting money.[/QUOTE]Those who use the term segregation in relation to the Dominican Republic are projecting their issues and problems that they incur in their country of origin here. This is not your country of origin. I suggest that everyone leave those type of problems at home when they board their flight.

The Dominicans are free to do in their country as they chose and as a visitor you can choose to deal with it or exercise your options. Anyone that has a problem with how Dominicans run their country can simply visit another country. When I read up in here about mongers getting upset with the government of the Dominican Republic I lose about 5 minutes of my time rolling on the floor laughing.

I'm not saying I agree with the treatment of the Haitians. But somebody need to tell me if thee are now "Whites only" signs on business in Sosua. My guess they are not. So, that means anyone with good Spanish can enjoy a nice glass of wine and a good meal downtown. Enjoy the music and conversations we not be confined to Ahnvee unless they choose to not exercise the freedom of movement they are allowed. The restrictions to them are in their mind only.

Monger money is chump change in the overall tourism market. Prostitution is legal in this county. The government of the Dominican Republic can regulate it however they choose within their own laws. That's keeping it real!

I see people using code words. And now I am seeing posts where the poster comes right out and says he has a racial issues. But the Dominican Republic is not racist. You are either Dominican (I will leave it to others to define if they are real) are you are not. That's it!

I've has some words with Old Kool. I like casas. He does not. We have agreed to disagree on that point. We are still both ejaculating into the various orifices of the chicas of our personal choices. But I have never read a racist comment that he has posted up in here. Ever!

[QUOTE=IpanemaCarioca;2419142]The Dominicans are nice people, but everyone see an American, Canadian, or European as a target. And a business woman in Sosua told me that in their mind, any gringo who moves to their country must be broke, and move to the DR because they are barely affording to live in their country.[/QUOTE]Your business chica is an idiot who thinks she is better than everyone else while profiting on the "poor broke gringos" she serves. GTF out of here!

Let me start that saying most Americans, Canadians and Europeans that come to Republica Dominicana have money when they get here. No matter how much or how little they are not looking for work like the Dominicans who go to my country of origin are doing. They can support themselves via the money they have earned before they arrive at their shores or by the work they are able to do via a internet connection while they are here.

Every visitor and individual who lives here supports the Dominican Republic in a way that even the average Dominican cannot do. From the purchase of goods and services to the payment of the myriad of consumption taxes that are placed on consumer goods by the government of the Dominican Republic. The opinion of your Dominican chica who owns a business shows that she is uneducated and lacks any real business knowledge. A real business person knows that every product that does not originate on the island of hispaniola is purchased using United States Dollars (USD). Let me repeat that for you: Every product that does not originate on the island of hispaniola is purchased using USD. That means every person spending USD on the island of hispaniola is pumping much needed hard currency into the economy here.

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2020/02/04/dollar-crunch-again-banks-limit-at-us2000/[/URL]

The Dominican Republic would take a tremendous hit if tourists stop coming. But your business chica's attitude does not surprise me. She lives in a puta pueblo. Consider the words of my fellow man in the arena:

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2419716]Whenever foreigners congregate in puta pueblos without experiencing the rest of a country, they think the whole country is the same as the puta pueblo. It is just like going to Miami where the overwhelming majority is Latin and Haitian decent and start generalizing saying Americans this, that, and the other. Those same rules are not going to apply in Seattle, Minneapolis, or Washington, D.C.
[/QUOTE][QUOTE=IpanemaCarioca;2419142]I have been going to Sosua and DR since 2009, and all I can say is do not let the Dominicans play us, because they have enough knowledge to manipulate us with their home field advantage and will always be 2 steps ahead of all you let them know from their free ISG membership and free youtube subscription.[/QUOTE]ISG is not behind a paywall. Anyone who knows about the site can read whatever they want on it. You talk about home field advantage? You think Dominicans don't know what is going on in their own country? Do you think they need ISG for intelligence gathering when they can fucking walk into any establishment that they like? GTF!

How in the fuck do you do that? Hey, guys looks like we are going to lose this one badly. Like hell we are. Fuck that shit. Cancel the election. Let's try it again another day. That is some straight gangster shit if I ever saw it.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2424181]Many people talk about how ugly the election can get. Some Dominicans and Haitians are giving me a fearful vibe. They expect it to be a lot of fights today. I don't understand why you would have elections on Sunday but I'm sure they have their reasons.[/QUOTE]Grownman, elections here are no joke. I got contacts on the ground who are responsible for security during the election. They take their responsibilities seriously.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2424184]Because that is the day everybody is off work and can go vote. In our country it is the opposite and everybody complains about the polls closing before they can get a chance to get there from work.[/QUOTE]Same way in my country of origin. They want to suppress the vote from people who have to work for a living. In my country of origin, passive (unearned) income is king. They even tax at a lower rate than earned income (the money regular people make by going to work nearly everyday).

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2423689]Election is on Sunday. I'm preparing for wide spread civil unrest.[/QUOTE]I said it and I was serious. I made sure all my drinking water bottles were filled up; Stocked the pantry and the refrigerator; filled the tank of the Grand Jefe mobile and hit the ATM for some effectivo (cold hard cash gentlemen, paper, chedder, cheese, DOP)!

[QUOTE=Oakie;2424193]Already one dead in SD and voting machines are having technical problems. Don't recall this much fooferaw inpast elections.[/QUOTE]Really check this out:

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-dominican-election-violence/dominicans-frustrated-by-slow-election-results-kill-six-official-idUSKCN0Y72AY[/URL]

Probably like most people who live outside of the country you were not paying much attention to them. I was! And for those who live in puta pueblos consider what my fellow man in the arena has to say about that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2419716]Whenever foreigners congregate in puta pueblos without experiencing the rest of a country, they think the whole country is the same as the puta pueblo. It is just like going to Miami where the overwhelming majority is Latin and Haitian decent and start generalizing saying Americans this, that, and the other. Those same rules are not going to apply in Seattle, Minneapolis, or Washington, D.C.
[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Oakie;2419552]My post was about Sosua, posted in the Sosua Forum for Sosua visitors. Feel free to comment there! In the meantime enjoy your SD![/QUOTE]Actually, I'm going to continue to comment on whatever I choose the in whatever forum I choose. As for you, feel free to get out of the puta pueblo that you live in and see the rest of Republica Dominicana. I'm here if you need a tour of Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo este. In the meantime continue to enjoy your puta pueblo AKA Sosua. How is your leader doing up there? LOL!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2424393]Probably like most people who live outside of the country you were not paying much attention to them. I was! And for those who live in puta pueblos consider what my fellow man in the arena has to say about that.

Actually, I'm going to continue to comment on whatever I choose the in whatever forum I choose. As for you, feel free to get out of the puta pueblo that you live in and see the rest of Republica Dominicana. I'm here if you need a tour of Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo este. In the meantime continue to enjoy your puta pueblo AKA Sosua.[/QUOTE]Lol.

Your "fellow man in the arena" left the puta pueblo many moons ago!

I spent 10 years checking out all parts of the DR while deciding on a place to live. Yep SD too!

I chose this place:

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USA News & World Report.

Sosua and Cabarete Voted the 2nd Best Beach Place to Retire.

All of us who spend time on the north coast of the Dominican Republic already knew this, but it's nice to have someone else say it too. From the report:

2. Sosua / Cabarete, Dominican Republic. Where the verdant green jungle hills slope into the crystal-blue waters off the north coast of the Dominican Republic rest the sand-fringed towns of Sosua and neighboring Cabarete. These are beachfront utopias. There are no high-rise towers, no big crowds and no worries. Life here is all about enjoying what mother nature has created in this world-class coastal spot.

Best Places to Reire ([URL]insidermonky.com[/URL]) 6. Sosua.

6. Sosua and its next door neighbor Cabarete are popular for its young crowd and their usual crowd pleasers of water sports and adventures, bars, and other nightspots; but the small town of Sosua located on the northern coast of the Dominican Republic is also a growing retirement favorite. The beach city has everything about the ideal Caribbean beach life perfected to a T and with retirement communities and more developments underway, it should be on every list of the best places to retire in the Dominican Republic.

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And I'm happy here. I hang with locals and ex pats, not mongers "in the arena". You can save your tours for your fellow mongers in the arena! I got a car waiting for me anytime I want one. No investment, no insurance, no parking, no traffic, no mechanics, no depreciation. You'd be surprised at the dinero saved, not to mention the convenience, especially if you like a couple beers occasionally. Lol.

You'd also be surprised that there is more to life than cheap P4 P sex, although your recent post indicates that you are not happy where you are! (Here's where the egg starts to slide down your face, Lol).

You say:

"Another thing that is really killing the appeal of Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo este is the increasingly traffic nightmare that exists here. Others are up in here talking about people making a move out of Sosua to Santo Domingo. Bad move gentlemen (and I use that word loosely). I'm going north and east. In my opinion although the big cities offer the best entertainment lifestyle and activities for day to day life but they leave much to be desired (like the side effects from medicine or a hangover). In the small towns outside the big cities the chicas are hungry for excitement and pesos and they will take you dick to get the former and not demand much of the latter."

So feel free to come with your fellow men in the arena and discover what the North Coast has to offer, besides cheap monger sex.

I'll be happy to drive you all around in style! Lol

[QUOTE=Oakie;2425013]Your "fellow man in the arena" left the puta pueblo many moons ago![/QUOTE]I know. Grownman wrote a trip report. It was excellent. You even commented on it. Now tell me more about your bus riding leader is doing my man.

[QUOTE=Oakie;2425013]I spent 10 years checking out all parts of the DR while deciding on a place to live. Yep SD too![/QUOTE]No you didn't your leader "led" you to it.

[QUOTE=Oakie;2418786]A shout out to you, and Mr Gogo, who introduced me to Susua 10 years ago, and showed me how to navigate this fucked up paradise![/QUOTE]10 years checking out the Republic Dominicana. That means I was living here for 5 years before you even figured out where to move in the country. So sorry. It's in the record as you like to say. LOL!

[QUOTE=Oakie;2418786]I chose this place[/QUOTE]Great brother. You like it I love it!

"USA News & World Report. October 31,2018.

Santo Domingo: An Affordable Caribbean City for Retirement.

The capital of the Dominican Republic is a cosmopolitan beach retirement spot.

SANTO DOMINGO IS THE oldest city in the Americans, with more than 500 years of history. It's also one of the region's most affordable places to live or retire well.

The first thing that attracts most retirees and expats to the area is the low cost of living. Prices are a bargain relative to elsewhere in the region. You could buy an apartment in one of the city's new high-rise towers for as little as $100,000. A reasonable budget for a couple enjoying a high-end quality of life can be as little as $1,000 per month if you own your home. Rent adds another $500 to $800 per month. At the upper end of this monthly budget you could rent a big three-bedroom, four-bath*apartment*with marble floors, crown molding, decorative woodwork and a balcony view of the Caribbean.

Often, Caribbean living can mean compromising on comfort levels. That's not the case in Santo Domingo. This is a modern city that offers a way of life that's laid-back and seductive, while also being focused on economic growth".

[URL]https://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/on-retirement/articles/2018-10-31/santo-domingo-an-affordable-caribbean-city-for-retirement[/URL]

1000 USD a month to live in Santo Domingo. Shit! Got to be less living in that puta puerto up there. So time for you and your leader to come clean on the vehicle thing. Is it a lifestyle choice? Or is an affordability issue?

Because it should be noted that your "leader" has ridden around in my vehicle plenty of times when he needed for me to drive him around so he could do something. I always did it thinking I was helping out a fellow. Turns out he didn't really appreciate everything I did for him. Now he's anti car talking shit about something that does not even concern him. Shouldn't concern you either. Yet, you chose to mention it.

[QUOTE=Oakie;2425013] although your recent post indicates that you are not happy where you are! (Here's where the egg starts to slide down your face.)[/QUOTE]Really? That sound you are about to hear is the splinters flying from having it broken off in your ass.

Where do I live? Where was I writing about? Answer the question!

But before you do, call your favorite chica and have her run to the farmacia (Pharmacy) for some medical supplies to help you out my man.

[QUOTE=Oakie;2425013]I'll be happy to drive you all around in style! Lol[/QUOTE]Impossible to do my man. Already walked it. Your leader showed me Cabarete and Puerta Plata. If Cabarete was closer I would spend more time there. But I was bored in Sosua after three days (best thing was the girls) and unimpressed with Puerta Plata. But I have said: If you like it. I love it. I don't have to live there you do.

Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo este has for me "Caribbean living without compromising on comfort levels. " So, because I don't like the traffic and the changes I see being made that means I am unhappy? A puta pueblo does not have what Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo este has. Not even close. Anyone who reads it that way is having serious reading compression problems in English. If you really have paid attention to my posts over the years instead of just having a knee jerk reaction every time you are quoted or somebody says something bad about Sosua you would know that I don't live in Santo Domingo este anymore. Now that has me rolling on the floor laughing. Your egg missed me!

BTW, when did I move over to the dark side? Because I've been a gringo negro trying to make it in a Dominican world the entire time I've lived here. It's in the record. So tan barrio (I'm so hood). Got a problem with that? Put me on ignore. But my haters read every word I write. How else could they respond or comment that what I write is not worth reading? Are they having others read my posts and give them reports? I don't have answers to all those questions. But maybe you do. Can you help a brother out?

Do you have anything so say about Dominican Politics? When they finally have the election will it have any effect on the lifestyle in Sosua that you have chosen? Let me know about that. Because I could really give a fuck about your personal life. Now, I appreciate you sharing your life story of how you found happiness in Sosua. It's sort of like the smile that came to my face when I read about old man parting on el conde. You like it. Then I love it. Enjoy your puta pueblo. And don't be so touchy when someone does not share your rose colored view of the place please.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2425186]***No you didn't your leader "led" you to it. 10 years checking out the Republic Dominicana. That means I was living here for 5 years before you even figured out where to move in the country. So sorry. It's in the record as you like to say. LOL!***

I don't have a leader or "men in the arena".

That's why in 10 years, I never took up the offers to meet up with any of the posters here! Never met any posters here. and don't intend to! Not looking for friends here! Or approval!

But it was a few posts by Mr GoGo that I read in this forum that got me interested in Sosua, 10 years ago! I always credit him with that.

*** So time for you and your leader to come clean on the vehicle thing. Is it a lifestyle choice? Or is an affordability issue?***

You seem so hung up on your damn car! Never had one before? Lol. I got one sitting in a heated garage back in TO, but I don't obsess about it.[/QUOTE]Over and out!

[QUOTE=Oakie;2425440]Over and out![/QUOTE]News flash. Sosua is in the Dominican Republic!

Do you have anything to say about Politics in the Dominican Republic here? Or will you simply continue to post about your lifestyle?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2425790]News flash. Sosua is in the Dominican Republic!

Do you have anything to say about Politics in the Dominican Republic here? Or will you simply continue to post about your lifestyle?[/QUOTE]Lol

Nah, I'm only here because you copied a post I had made in another forum, on the current status of the DR Elections, and pasted it here!

"Already one dead in SD and voting machines are having technical problems. Don't recall this much fooferaw in past elections".

Is that your convoluted and contorted way of starting a conversation? Is it normal Forum etiquette?

Lol

Amid Ukraine swirl, Giuliani's work for candidate in Dominican Republic caused unease.

By Joshua Partlow and Josh Dawsey, Feb. 20,2020 at 10:20 am AST.

"Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic The politics of this Caribbean island nation do not frequently capture*the attention of the stewards of America's foreign policy, but Secretary of State Mike Pompeo phoned down*last summer with a clear message.

Dominican President Danilo Medina's supporters were pushing to change the country's constitution to allow him to run for an unprecedented third term. In a call with the president, Pompeo emphasized the importance of "adherence to rule of law and the constitution," according to a State Department readout.

That message was echoed a week later in person by President Trump's personal attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani.

"If you want to change the constitution, change it for the future," Giuliani told reporters during a July 2019 visit to Santo Domingo. "Don't make it look like you're changing it for you. Don't change it for this election. ".

Giuliani was not in the Dominican Republic as Trump's representative. He was speaking as a paid consultant to an opposition presidential candidate, Luis Abinader, a businessman who had been protesting the possibility of a constitutional change allowing the incumbent to run again.

Days later, Medina*announced*that he would not seek reelection.

The overlapping interests of the USA Administration and Giuliani's paying client underscores how his decision to work as an international consultant while serving as Trump's lawyer has caused disquiet, both among foreign leaders and USA Administration officials.

Giuliani's presence in Santo Domingo annoyed rival Dominican presidential candidates who felt Abinader was trying to buy his campaign an American seal of approval, according to candidates and their advisers. And it concerned officials in the presidential palace who scrutinized Giuliani's comments for signs he was speaking for Trump, according to a person familiar with the discussions who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal talks.

Giuliani's visit to the Dominican Republic came around the same time that he with Trump's backing had been pressing Pompeo and USA Diplomats to push Ukraine to announce investigations into Trump's political opponents, a gambit that led to the president's impeachment.

The State Department did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

Giuliani did not respond directly to a question about whether he met with anyone at the State Department about his client there.

"Why in the world would you care about my work in the DR except to once again try to suggest falsely that there is some question about it?" he asked in a text message. "Don't you have anything better to do? Whatever I did in DR was perfectly lawful and appropriate. ".

The full scope of Giuliani's clientele is not known. The uncertainty about who he represents and his willingness to take on foreign clients with interests before the USA Government while working for the president has alarmed senior administration officials, as The Washington Post*has previously reported.

In his various meetings last year with foreign and USA Officials, Giuliani toggled between serving as Trump's emissary and representing other interests. During a sit-down in August with a top Ukrainian official to discuss the investigations Trump wanted, Giuliani*advocated*for a former client, the mayor of Kyiv. On that same trip, he stayed at a historic estate of a client, Venezuelan energy executive Alejandro Betancourt Lpez and*later met with top Justice Department officials*to urge them not to charge him in a money-laundering case.

Giuliani, who says he works for Trump free, has told The Post that he is always careful to make clear he is a private lawyer for the president, not a representative of the USA Government.

Since 2015, Giuliani has been hired by Abinader as a security consultant two times, according to Samuel Pereyra, an official in the Abinader campaign who managed the contracts. *His most recent contract, for $75,000, was secured last June, Pereyra said, more than a year after Giuliani joined Trump's legal team.

For that sum, Giuliani made a two-day trip to the Dominican Republic in July, appearing with the candidate at a briefing for reporters and visiting a poor neighborhood in the capital, where he said people shouldn't have to live behind bars like prisoners.

While he was there, Giuliani also*puffed cigars at his favorite Dominican cigar club and dined at the residence of the USA Ambassador, Robin Bernstein, one of Trump's longtime Palm Beach, Fla. , friends and an original member of Mar-a-Lago,*according to people familiar with his activities.

Some members of Abinader's campaign team felt it was a mistake to*rehire*Giuliani, saying he spoke in generalities and provided little of value, and worried that the candidate had brought him aboard to get access to the president.

"I think Abinader wanted a direct line to Trump," said one adviser,*who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions. "For me, that's the principal reason he was hired: It's a link to the White House and the State Department. ".

Abinader denied that, telling The Post in an interview that he did not hire Giuliani to curry favor with the Trump administration. The two discussed only security issues, he said.

'Corruption no mas'.

The campaign caravan inched through the narrow streets of Villa Altagracia, a working-class exurb north of Santo Domingo, blasting merengue and reggaeton basslines for the dancing crowds. Abinader stood up through the sunroof of his armored SUV and blew kisses to those below.

"Here he is, the next president of the republic!" the emcee called out last month.

With his composed, somewhat stiff persona, Abinader is not known for his charisma with the masses. But his pro-business, law-and-order message has resonated with voters who are tired of persistent crime and allegations of corruption in a ruling party that has been in power for 20 of the past 24 years. The Dominican Republic was ranked last year in the bottom quarter of Transparency International's list of most corrupt countries in the world.

Abinader is a wealthy businessman of Lebanese descent whose father had been a cabinet minister, a presidential candidate and the founder of a private university. His family's diverse holdings included hotels, cement plants and data processing centers, according to Abinader's advisers.

Before Abinader's first run for president in 2016, public opinion surveys showed that Dominicans' most pressing concern was crime and violence, and his polling numbers on these topics trailed other candidates.

Like many Dominicans, Abinader had relatives in New York City, with particularly strong connections to Queens: His grandfather ran Corona Hardware in the borough. One of his cousins, Rodolfo Fuertes, was the president of the National Supermarket Association at the time, and suggested in 2015 that Abinader's campaign might benefit from Giuliani's help, Abinader said in an interview.

The former New York mayor was famous for reducing crime during his tenure. After leaving office, Giuliani sought to capitalize on that reputation, offering consulting services on security and police reform to countries around the world.

"You have to see Giuliani, he can clean up Santo Domingo," Abinader recalled being told in a meeting with Fuertes and others.

After being hired on a $100,000 contract, Giuliani Security and Safety produced a 38-page*report*for the campaign in April 2016 that discussed crime trends and recommended several reforms of the Dominican police, Pereyra said.

That year, during a visit to Santo Domingo, Giuliani told an audience that the solution to the country's crime problems boiled down to one thing: eliminating corruption.

"No tolerance. Not allowed. It has to end," Giuliani told the crowd. "Corruption no mas. ".

Abinader lost that bid. After Trump won his White House race later that year, Giuliani invited Abinader to the inauguration, where he attended a Latino gala at the Mandarin Oriental hotel in Washington and met with Giuliani and others, Abinader said.

Abinader decided to rehire Giuliani last June, Pereyra said. Abinader said in an interview that he valued Giuliani's counsel on security matters and the firm's advice helped him generate a security plan for the country.

"It was a very important campaign issue," Abinader said. "I ended up highest in the polls in terms of fighting criminality. "

A visit from the president's lawyer.

By last summer, with Giuliani's Ukrainian efforts at full steam, he made*a return trip to Santo Domingo. At that point, Giuliani had been Trump's personal lawyer for nearly a year and a half.

He also had been in contact with the secretary of state. In late March, Giuliani spoke to Pompeo by phone at least twice, according to*State Department emails. *In May, he sent Pompeo*a packet of materials*about his Ukraine research in a Manila envelope with "The White House" written as the return address, according to documents released during the impeachment probe.

Giuliani has said repeatedly that he did not do any lobbying related to his consulting in the Dominican Republic. In a previous interview with The Post, he described his work there and in other countries as focused only on security services.

Given his prominence, the Abinader campaign asked the USA Embassy if it wanted to provide security for Giuliani's visit in July. Embassy officials declined, as Giuliani was not a USA Government employee, according to Abinader advisers.

The embassy referred questions about Giuliani's visit to the State Department, which did not respond to requests for comment.

Abinader's team picked Giuliani up from the airport on July 16. The candidate and his aides met with Giuliani in a JW Marriott conference room for a couple of hours to discuss what Giuliani would tell the press the following day.

"Giuliani was the frontman, the personality," said Roberto lvarez, a former Dominican ambassador to the Organization of American States and a foreign policy adviser to Abinader who met with Giuliani that day. "he knows nothing about the cultural context. "

During his visit, Giuliani had dinner with Bernstein, the USA Ambassador, and her husband, Richard, who were Republican donors and had both sold insurance to Trump while in Palm Beach.

One person who attended the embassy dinner with Giuliani described it as a social call, not a political gathering. The only topic of conversation this person recalled was the recent deaths of tourists at Dominican resorts, an image crisis for the government at the time.

The morning after his arrival, Giuliani had a breakfast meeting with Dominican journalists and then gave a*news conference*at the JW Marriott, according to the campaign.

At that time, the constitutional question had seized Dominican politics. Critics of the proposal, including Abinader and other opponents, had staged protests and rallies to demand that the pro-Medina legislature not move forward with allowing a third term.

"Keep the rules the way they are. Respect democracy," Giuliani told reporters that day. He mentioned he was speaking as a "private citizen."

A story in the Diario Libre newspaper about his visit referred to him as "the lawyer for the president of the United States. " A headline that day on Dominican Today, an online news site, read: "Giuliani jumps into Dominican Republic's reelection fray."

A wealthy Venezuelan hosted Giuliani as he pursued Ukraine campaign. Then Giuliani lobbied the Justice Department on his behalf.

His visit was closely monitored by aides to Medina, the current president, who scrutinized Giuliani's remarks to see if he was speaking on behalf of Trump.

Abinader wanted "to associate himself with the Trump administration and show that he is America's man," said one senior Dominican*official,*who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly.

Abinader's rival candidates also saw Giuliani's presence as an attempt to signal an endorsement from the USA President.

"It's a game of perception; they're trying to leave the impression" that "the government of the United States favors them," said Leonel Fernndez, a former president who is running again this year. "In the end, the Dominican voters are going to decide. They don't care whether President Trump is in favor or against. ".

Lvarez, the adviser to Abinader, denied that, saying the relationship with Giuliani was only about advice on security matters.

"Never did we use his contact in order to move USA Policy," he said.

After two days, Giuliani jetted out of Santo Domingo.

The Abinader campaign is now getting consulting advice on security issues from a former Giuliani partner, John Huvane, who left Giuliani's firm in October, officials said. Huvane did not respond to a request for comment.

In recent polls, Abinader has held a strong lead more than 10 points over his two main rivals, including Medina's handpicked successor. The election will be held in May."

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-ukraine-swirl-giulianis-work-for-candidate-in-dominican-republic-caused-unease/2020/02/19/82794c22-4c21-11ea-9b5c-eac5b16dafaa_story.html[/URL]

I do not have much good to say about that Mother Fucker Giuliani. Except that he is one. The Dominican Republic should be able to run it own affairs without interference. Flag down on the field!

This is the Politics in the Dominican Republic thread. In my opinion, cutting and pasting a post from anywhere in the Dominican Republic Forum dealing with politics and then commenting on it here is completely appropriate.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts". - Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

For anybody who's interested, Willy was elected Mayor in Sosua!

[QUOTE=Oakie;2434810]For anybody who's interested, Willy was elected Mayor in Sosua![/QUOTE]Best news we've heard in along damn while despite everything going on in the world! Whoo hoo!

Most of the new city authorities at 158 municipalities in the country will be taking office on Friday, 24 April 2020 in virtual swearing-in ceremonies. Among the few exceptions, National District mayor-elect Carolina Meja of the Modern Revolutionary Party (PRM) announced she would do so in person, yet only with her team and the press present at the ceremony.

As the outcome of the 15 March 2020 municipal election, there is a significant change in the political parties that control city governments and municipal districts. The PRM will now control 81 city governments of 158, including those of most populations, with the exception of Santiago (PLD) and La Romana (PRSC).

The ruling Dominican Liberation Party (PLD) will control 65 city governments. The Social Christian Reformist Party (PRSC) will control seven, the Dominican Revolutionary Party (PRD), an ally of the ruling PLD, will control 3. The Social Institutional Block won one city government and the PPC another. This is a marked change from the 2016 election when the ruling PLD party had won 107 city governments, the PRM 30 and the PRSC 14.

Read more in Spanish: [URL]https://resultadosmunicipales.jce.gob.do/[/URL].

My personal thanks goes out to the individuals who have decided that they will now add posts in this section that are on topic. Let's see the reports from those interested in Sosua politics who have proffered the idea that the mayor who won is going to make a difference in fulling the desires of the Sexual Tourism lobby.

April 25, 2020, 9:15 am.

"The Executive Power yesterday requested the National Congress to extend the state of emergency for another 25 days due to the crisis the country is in due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

At the request of the Government, the Senate of the Republic will hold an extraordinary session tomorrow to know the extension.

The Minister of the Presidency, Gustavo Montalvo, explained that, despite the fact that the rate has dropped, from 3 to 1.6 or 1.8 new infections for each infected person, it is not yet time to lift the emergency measures.

Montalvo stated that the fact that the virus is progressing much slower has allowed time to increase the capacity of the health system at all levels, thus giving a better response to all those affected.

However, he considered that the opening should occur "when we are sure that the contagion curve is sufficiently controlled. "

"Although everyone's desire is to return to the normalcy of economic, social and institutional life as soon as possible, to achieve this goal, an additional sacrifice is necessary that allows us, in the first place, to flatten the contagion curve and, later, reverse it to be in a position to begin the process of easing and dismantling the measures, "he said, explaining that a premature lifting of social distancing would be counterproductive, doing more harm than good.

The current national emergency expires on April 30, after the approval of the extension for a period of 17 days plus on April 9.

Condition.

The leader of the Progressive National Force (FNP), Vinicio Castillo Semand, asked the opposition forces in Congress that, before approving this new extension, they demand from President Danilo Medina a series of measures to stop the pandemic."

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/covid-19/2020/04/25/dominican-congress-will-meet-tomorrow-to-hear-the-presidents-request/[/URL]

"Forewarned, always alert to the danger of the coronavirus, the newly elected mayors of municipal governments took office yesterday for a period of four years, this time before unusual ceremonies marked by distancing, use of gloves and masks, and short speeches that limited the rhetorical ones, but they stood out with their splendid white suits, following a line consistent with tradition.

With the historic swearing-in of yesterday, Friday, the elected municipal authorities were renewed by 60%, among mayors, directors of municipal boards and councilors of the 158 municipalities and 235 municipal districts of the country. In the past elections, 158 new mayors were chosen, corresponding to the same number of municipalities.

That of yesterday Friday was a ceremony of transfer of municipal command that, traditionally, was carried out on August 16, every four years, but after the change of the Constitution was established for April 24, which coincides with the Day of municipalities.

Many young people will go on to lead councils after this inauguration, the youngest being Marlon Arias, 27, mayor of the Cabrera municipality, of María Trinidad Sánchez, for the Dominican Liberation Party.

Also Francis Joel Beltré, also from the PLD, who at 34 will lead the Tábara Arriba chapter in the Azua province.

About seven million, 487 thousand 40 voters were called to the polls for the last elections, when a second attempt was made after being suspended on February 16 due to a failure of the automated voting system.

Three million 828 thousand 786 were women for 51.2% and 3 million 658 thousand 254 are men for 48.8%.

The changes.

The mayors who were elected on March 15 took possession yesterday, some virtually and others in brief acts in their corresponding municipalities, due to the health crisis that the country is going through due to COVID-19.

In Greater Santo Domingo there are four new faces: the Mayor of the National District for the Modern Revolutionary Party (PRM), Carolina Mejía; Manuel Jiménez, from Santo Domingo Este, also from the PRM; Carlos Guzmáand, from Santo Domingo Norte and the Dominican Liberation Party (PLD) and José Andújar, from Santo Domingo Oeste, from the PRM, and the only one who was sworn in virtually through a digital platform or server.

First woman in the DNA.

Carolina Mejía was not only sworn in yesterday as mayor of the National District, but she became the first woman to do so. She arrived at the appointment just at 7:40 in the morning. Beautiful in a white suit, mask, and protective gloves. After the ceremony, she did not wait long and produced her first appointment: Hugo Beras, as DNA general secretary.

Then, she went home, changed from a white suit to jean pants, tennis, a yellow cape, a black mask, and protective gloves," and went to Las Flores de Cristo Rey, to work.

Manuel Jiménez in SDE.

The new mayor of Santo Domingo Este, Manuel Jiménez, took office with a blunt statement: "It is not time to celebrate, if not to work."

And he added: "The party can be postponed, but not the work. " Alfredo Martínez, the outgoing mayor, handed him the command and often asked for support for the new incumbent. Before I drop this complaint: "I was a victim of the opposition; he never approved me."

José Andujar in SDO.

The new mayor of Santo Domingo Oeste, José Andújar, of the PRM, took office under a brief protocol act.

Andújar, wearing a white suit, gloves, and a mask, arrived at the town hall on Avenida 27 de Febrero, accompanied by his wife.

Francisco Peña handed him the command of the local government, saying that he was leaving a "totally healthy" chapter.

In his turn, Andújar said that his work begins today with a day of disinfection and fumigation, street washing, and cleaning of the gorge of Guajimía.

Carlos Guzmáand in SDN.

Santo Domingo Norte now has Carlos Guzmán, from the Parido de la Liberación Dominicana, in charge of the municipal entity. Dressed in white, with gloves and a mask, Guzmáand.

He began to draw lines of work: he told the owners of supermarkets, markets, and other places of sale of products what they have to do: disinfect at the beginning and end of their work.

Abel in Santiago.

With a simple act, of 15 minutes, celebrated in the lobby of the municipal palace of Santiago, the ceremony was fulfilled in which Abel Martínez swore yesterday, for the second term, as mayor, along with 41 aldermen of political parties.

Martínez said that his project to elevate the city of Santiago to another category will continue. Those present wore masks and gloves. Before entering the council they had to go through the disinfection tunnel.

Santo has a challenge in Baní.

The new mayor of this municipality, Santo Ramírez, was sworn in yesterday, but in the middle of the ceremony, he was commenting on a latent concern regarding what his management will find there. The eyes are, among other things, on payrolls that, it is said, "cannot bear any more weight," and there are many people waiting for them to work.

Applause and booing in Barahona.

Mictor Emilio Fernández de la Cruz, applauded when he assumed as the new mayor of Barahona, was sworn in without the presence of the vice mayor, Freya Sterling, who left the ceremony for a health problem. Meanwhile, the outgoing mayor, Noel Octavio Suberví andín, was booed upon arrival at the event.

The proclamation of Cholitíand.

Rafael Baróand Duluc Rijo, well known as Cholitíand, was sworn in as mayor of Higüey, promising to leave behind "the monarchical management" of the jurisdiction. "My mission is to turn this municipality into a safe, modern, smart, and transparent city."

"Roquelito" in PP.

Diómedes Roque García (Roquelito), the new mayor of Puerto Plata, of the PRM, promised to resolve the situation of the landfill and the municipal market. This weekend will launch a major cleaning and disinfection operation in the city, in which the PRM presidential candidate, Luis Abinader, will participate."

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2020/04/25/the-municipal-power-throughout-the-dominican-republic-is-renewed-under-the-effects-of-the-covid-19/[/URL]

April 26,2020.

"The Senate of the Republic approved to extend the declaration of emergency for an additional 25 days, submitted by the Executive Power. The current declaration ends on April 30.25 of the 32 senators who make up the legislative body were present at the session. The new expansion would be contemplated from May 1 to 25 of that same month. The initiative was approved with 23 favorable votes. In today's session, Senator are Rafael Calderón observed that the State has been firm, responsible and inclusive in the work carried out to confront COVID19. In the event that the Chamber of Deputies, which will hear the draft resolution on Tuesday, favorably sanctions the resolution, the declaration of emergency would be extended until May 25".

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/covid-19/2020/04/26/senate-approves-extending-emergency-declaration-for-25-days/[/URL]

April 28,2020 Santo Domingo.

"Dominican Republic's political opposition is preparing to reject in the Chamber of Deputies the extension of the 25-day state of emergency approved by the Senate last Sunday, as requested by President Danilo Medina.

However the president of the opposition Modern Revolutionary Party (PRM), senator Jos Ignacio Paliza, predicted in Tuesday's session at 11 am a situation similar to what occurred on Easter Thursday, when the state of emergency was extended for 17 days.

"The correlation of forces there with an opposition with more presence and a fragmented Dominican Liberation Party will compel it to return to the Senate to make changes to the venue and accept 15 days," the official said."

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2020/04/28/dominican-republic-opposition-to-reject-25-day-state-of-emergency-extension/[/URL]

Thanks for keeping us updated here SubCmdr!

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2447070]Thanks for keeping us updated here SubCmdr![/QUOTE]You are welcome brother!

April 28, 2020-Santo Domingo.

The Chamber of Deputies on Tue. Approve a 17-day extension of the state of emergency, instead of the 25 days approved in the Senate last Sunday, as proposed by the opposition parties instead of as requested by President Danilo Medina to continue to face the pandemic.

In a session in which the Chamber president Radhames Camacho had to call to order several times, the opposition and the ruling party clashed over the proposed use of 30% of the pension fund.

The spokesman for the deputies of the ruling Dominican Liberation Party (PLD), Gustavo Snchez, alleged that the opposition has "raged" against the state-of-emergency extensions requested by the Executive Power.

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2020/04/28/deputies-approve-a-17-day-extension-of-the-state-of-emergency/[/URL]

April 28,2020-Santo Domingo.

"Economy Minister Juan Ariel Jimnez, on Mon. Said the Government is preparing to authorize the opening of other businesses gradually to stimulate the economy, given the measures to halt the pandemic.

In a press release, the official said that that's what the Ministry of Health is working on, since this will depend on the number of cases of COVID-19 infection.

Jimnez said that although this is being worked on, even the government doesn't have a date to order the opening of those businesses such as hardware stores, auto parts, and others that remain closed due to the national emergency."

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2020/04/28/gov-is-poised-to-open-more-businesses-gradually/[/URL]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2447223]April 28,2020-Santo Domingo.

"Economy Minister Juan Ariel Jimnez, on Mon. Said the Government is preparing to authorize the opening of other businesses gradually to stimulate the economy, given the measures to halt the pandemic.

In a press release, the official said that that's what the Ministry of Health is working on, since this will depend on the number of cases of COVID-19 infection.

Jimnez said that although this is being worked on, even the government doesn't have a date to order the opening of those businesses such as hardware stores, auto parts, and others that remain closed due to the national emergency."

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2020/04/28/gov-is-poised-to-open-more-businesses-gradually/[/URL][/QUOTE]Good info.

May 1, 2020 - Santo Domingo.

Economy Ministry officials have been meeting with various productive sectors to socialize their plans for the gradual opening of economic activities disrupted by COVID-19. On Monday Diario Libre reported the details of the opening plan of five phases. According to sources, the plan would be officially announced next week. The first stage would begin on May 11 with the opening of vehicle dealers, auto repair shops and small businesses.

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2020/05/01/first-stage-of-economic-opening-set-for-may-11-report/[/URL]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2447821]May 1, 2020 - Santo Domingo.

Economy Ministry officials have been meeting with various productive sectors to socialize their plans for the gradual opening of economic activities disrupted by COVID-19. On Monday Diario Libre reported the details of the opening plan of five phases. According to sources, the plan would be officially announced next week. The first stage would begin on May 11 with the opening of vehicle dealers, auto repair shops and small businesses.

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2020/05/01/first-stage-of-economic-opening-set-for-may-11-report/[/URL][/QUOTE]These dates are just the PROPOSED dates, I personally don't believe they will get away with keeping restaurants and bars closed into August and beyond regardless of where they are with the virus, owners will kick up their heels big time. We will find out next week.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2447821]According to sources, the plan would be officially announced next week. The first stage would begin on May 11 with the opening of vehicle dealers, auto repair shops and small businesses.[/QUOTE]I guess that is where "according to sources" comes in. Does not sound like the plan is official when it comes to anything until it is announced next week.

SOE ends May 15, 2020. From what I read The Chamber of Deputies does not seem to be in a move to extend it. If the powers to keep businesses shut stems from the executive order then things will be changing. Still does not answer when the international travel ban will be lifted. And I would think that would be more important to most of the individuals posting here. Because you don't need a bar or restaurant in order to fuck. Only a place to stay, a willing chica and maybe a few DOP!

It should be noted that restaurants are allowed to serve take out. And many of them are doing just that. Grocery stores and colmados are open if you want drinks and snacks. Those of us who are actually "boots on the ground" know this.

May 5, 2020, Santo Domingo.

"Economy Minister Juan Ariel Jimnez on Monday clarified that the Government does not yet have any date to reopen Dominican Republic's economy.

The official indicated that from the moment the social or physical distancing measures were taken, it was known that they would be temporary in order to strengthen the health system and prevent an increase in the number of contagion.

"But that later it would be necessary to return to a new modality and one that should focus on a distance that is intelligent."

Interviewed on CDN's Morning Focus program, Jimnez indicated that what has been spreading and that was given as an official in the media, as a proposal by the Government, was only an internal working document, and that make up a conglomerate of proposals that are considered for the opening".

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2020/05/05/no-date-yet-to-open-dominican-republics-economy/[/URL]

So, here we have a report on what a high level government official has to say about what is going on in the government here in Republica Dominicana. I am still waiting for better information to be posted up by those with "boots on the ground". Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But not their own facts!

May 6, 2020 - Santo Domingo:

"Public Health minister Rafael Snchez Cerdenas on Wed. Raised the need to take extreme measures at the border due to the health threat he affirms Haiti poses to the Dominican Republic.

He asks to prevent "as much as possible" the entry to the country of Haitian citizens who are not fit to do so.

The official responded to the Pan American Health Organization's (PAHO) warning Tuesday that the pandemic will unleash a humanitarian crisis in that nation, where millions of people face food shortages on a daily basis".

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2020/05/06/top-official-says-seal-the-border-on-haiti-health-treat/[/URL]

April 7, 2020-Santo Domingo.

"Public Health minister, Rafael Snchez Cerdenas, on Thursday acknowledged the increase in traffic and movement of people in recent weeks. He said the population seems to be losing fear of the coronavirus.

"There is traffic in the day, there is no curfew, the population seems to be losing fear or supplies are running out in the house, so people need to go outside, as far as we can see," the official said.

Snchez Cerdenas recognized, however, that the Ministry of Health "has had to intervene due to crowds of people," in several parts of the country."

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May 8, 2020 - Dajaband.

"Hundreds of Haitians residing in the Dominican Republic on Thur. Continued to return to their country across the Dajaband border (northwest), becoming unemployed after the pandemic halted productive activities.

Military sources told local media that the Haitians began to gather near the Dominican-Haitian border gate from 1 pm, but were allowed to return to their country between 3:30 and 4 pm.

"The return is voluntary," said an official with the Border Security Corps (Cesfront).

Before returning to Haiti, the immigrants stock up on food and other goods."

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2020/05/08/pandemic-forces-haitians-to-leave-the-dominican-republic/[/URL]

In my opinion (because I have no facts or statistics to back it up) Haitians are the back bone of the economy of Republic Dominicana. Whenever I see "heavy lifting" being done it is Haitians doing the work. Are there Dominicans putting in work? Yes! I have had many professionals who were Dominican working on my auto, house, and body. But when it comes to humping some weight in the sun they hire a Haitian to do it.

I have met Haitianas that speak four languages who clean houses because they cannot get the paperwork then need to work legally here. It is not a matter of intelligence or skill. A Haitian in my building would wash my car for 100 DOP. But I didn't like the job he did. I will say Dominicans know how to wash a car. I had a cash wash business owner who used to come get the gran hefe mobile. Wash it and return it. Or if I was on the way back to my place I would stop. Give him the keys and walk home. He would deliver it to me and come to my door to give me my keys and I would pay him.

The little people are the ones getting hurt by this lockdown. I do not feel sorry for people like big ole titty lover that is feening to ejaculate on his next set of "chichotas grande" and advising me that there is currently an international lockdown on flights right now. Straight man in the area right here. I already knew that shit thank you very much. Some of yall need to stop being pobrecitos of privilege crying like two year olds cause they been cut off from their favorite source of pussy. GTF!

Man up! Better yet, man up and get in the arena (after the international travel ban is lifted, of course) and post a useful trip report with real information about having sex with girls in Republica Dominicana.

May 9, 2020 -Santo Domingo, DR.

The Dominican Institute of Civil Aviation (IDAC) and the company Dominicanos Siglo XXI (Aerodom), still do not have a date to restart the operation of commercial flights and to reopen the country's airports, closed since March to prevent the transmission of the coronavirus.

Alejandro Herrera, director of the IDAC, told List and Diario that the agency had not yet received any notification on the matter.

However, he admitted that he received a communication from the International Air Transport Association (IATA), but that in general, no date is mentioned.

"We still have nothing precise regarding the restart of international flight operations in the country," he said.

On his side, the director of corporate communication of Aerodom, Luis Lpez, clarified that the company is waiting for the decision that President Danilo Medina makes in this regard.

"We have seen several reports in the media with alleged dates for restarting airport operations, but officially we do not know anything about it," he said.

However, several North American airlines, with frequencies of regular flights from the United States to the Dominican Republic, have already published on their Internet portals dates for the restart of their flight operations to the country.

Among the airports that remain closed are the International of the Americas, Jos Francisco Pea Gmez; Gregorio Luperand, from Puerto Plata; Mara Montez, Barahona; Arroyo Barril, Sanana; Higero Doctor Joaquand Balaguer, National District and Professor Juan Bosch, Catey, in Saman".

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/tourism/2020/05/09/there-is-no-date-for-reactivation-of-commercial-flights-in-the-dominican-republic/[/URL]

May 12,2020 -Santo Domingo.

President Danilo Medina requested, via the Senate, a third extension of the state of emergency for an additional 25 days, from May 18 to June 11. At once the Senate was convened for Wednesday, May 13 at 11 am to debate the request. Medina's request comes on the last day he's able to do so, since the state of emergency was declared on March 19 to deal with the pandemic.

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2020/05/12/dominican-republic-leader-wants-state-of-emergency-25-more-days/[/URL]

Continuing to post up real information for those interested. If you are not, put me on ignore!

May 13, 2020 - Santo Domingo.

"The Senate approved on Wednesday an extension of the state of emergency for 25 days, after President Danilo Medina requested it on Tuesday. The resolution, approved in a marathon four-hour session, will be debated Thursday in the Chamber of Deputies, which was convened for 11 am. The Senate was convened for next Friday at 10 am".

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2020/05/13/senate-approves-to-extend-state-of-emergency-for-25-days/[/URL]

Now I hate it when people get on my writing for grammatical errors. But that is some mother fucking bad english no matter how you look at it. We well now see if the Chamber of Deputies will save those of us under house arrest without trial.

May 13,2020 - Santo Domingo.

"Public Health Minister, Rafael Snchez seerdenas, on Wed. Revealed that the Government is managing several dates for a possible reopening of the economy, as the main step in relaxing the measures imposed in the country to face the pandemic.

He said the decision to be taken must be announced by President Danilo Medina, or by the high-level commission appointed to follow the nations pandemic mitigation policies, led by Presidency Minister, Gustavo Montalvo.

"The commission has come a long way, and there are probable dates established that will inform them later," the health minister said Wednesday."

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2020/05/13/the-gov-manages-dates-to-reopen-economy/[/URL]

May 13,2020 - Santo Domingo.

"In a meeting with president Danio Medina Dominican labor unions on Mon. Said that the time to fully open businesses hasn't come yet.

Their representatives say that what is pertinent is to maintain the regulatory measures "to prevent the spread of coronavirus from multiplying and wait at least fifteen more days to see what the real behavior of the virus will be on society."

They stated that to achieve the decrease in the spread of coronavirus, it is necessary to comply with the security measures established by the authorities of the Ministry of Public Health, such as avoiding crowds, maintaining distance, the use of masks and frequent washing of hands.

"Bypassing these provisions implies opening the doors to the virus, and that is what has been happening in recent days as the number of infections has increased, we must be aware that the important thing is to preserve life," said the representatives in a statement."

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2020/05/12/time-to-fully-open-businesses-hasnt-come-yet-labor/[/URL]

WTF? This one left me scratching my head. People are not getting paid and yet you do not want them to go back to work. I know it is a delicate balance. And honestly I am glad I am not sitting in one of the big chairs in any country having to make the kind of calls political leaders are having to make. Who do we make take the risk?

May 11,2020 - Santo Domingo.

"The Ministry of Tourism and the Hotel and Tourism Association of the Dominican Republic (Asonahores) are working on the health protocol that will be applied in the country in that sector as soon as the operations are reactivated, temporarily suspended by the pandemic. Tourism Minister, Francisco Javier Garca, who heads the meetings where the guidelines for the revival of the tourism sector are discussed. Tourism provides more than 350,000 direct jobs and is the main generator of foreign exchange. Garcia said that all the general and specific cleaning and disinfection guidelines for tourist service providers have already been discussed, with basic measures to follow to maximize sanitation processes and avoid contagion.

"These protocols must be implemented by all tourism service providers that operate in the national territory."

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/tourism/2020/05/11/dominican-govt-hoteliers-poised-to-resume-operations/[/URL]

There will be no tourists until the hotels open. Now I have noted that over in the main Santo Domingo forum but this is really an entire country issue. Not only for tourism but the hotels and cabanas are very useful for sexual activity. I can cook at home. I prefer fucking random putas and perras elsewhere.

Something interesting I read is that there may be a power move against short term rentals. Because visitors may prefer private accommodations over hotels and resorts when things kick back off. Keep a lookout for this gentlemen. As I know many of you prefer the short term private set ups. Yo no! Give me no hassle cabana anytime. I have written about why I like them in the General Information forum.

Brother Yyz, I am moving this conversation over this section because it is a political issue to be decided here by the government of Republica Dominicana (RDGOV). Not by off islanders talking shit about how I live my life in Republica Dominicana.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2450493]The longer a lot of islands stay closed, while medically safe, a lot of them whose largest industry if tourism will start to tank. I think governments are going to realize that you can keep people well from COVID, but if they starve to death, or it destroys the country in the process, did you really save people?[/QUOTE]I do not see people starving to death. And I do not believe that the RDGOV here is going to let that happen. I am local. And see what RDGOV is doing for their people. It is not an issue of supply. There is plenty of food here on the island. It is an issue of people having money to buy food. I have connections to the people around me. And they all are not rich.

I am a man in the arena, not a colmado party boy. I am a philanthropist. Always have been. I do things with my money to help others. But I am not rich. I do things with my time to help others. There I am rich. If other off islanders see that and choose to spend their time writing about me in a negative manner it does not bother me. Fuck a monger wingman, when you live here you need a Dominican in your corner when things get hot. A ride or die chick.

I will spend every last peso I have helping those who have helped me survive on this island. I will will keep on fighting with them to survive til my very last breath. Think I am not serious? I have my final arrangements in place on this island.

Somebody told me I look like food to Dominicans. Without offering you offense brother that is a very US attitude. I would go further to say that is an attitude from a particular type of person from the US that I cannot describe here but I can say I do not there type. You see family connections here are much tighter than in the US. I see up close and personal family and friends helping those that are close to them get through the day to day difficulties that COVID-19 has brought to the island.

The Gran Jefe Mobile is a community vehicle. Those in the know, know that when the rubber needs to meet the road, I will fire her up and and roll where they need to roll. Each time; every time; And they do not bother me for stupid shit. When they knock on my door it is for a real emergency. They explain it to me and my answer is ALWAYS Si! Give me a minute to get my clothes on and we are off. Not life threatening but serious. Not because it is convenient but because I am their best option for the tough situation they find themselves in. Hell, I paid 113.4 DOP / gallon for diesel fuel today. I can afford it. LOL!

The United States of America does not have things under control medically and countries the world over would do well to put American visitors under quarantine for 14 days and only open back up to countries where they have infections rates under control and extensive testing has been performed. I have seen no testing numbers that would indicate individuals in the USA are any safer than those in RD. The fact the United States of America have lost more people to COVID-19 than they lost in a 10 year armed conflict with another nation. Think about that. One of the coolest brothers I know on here fought in that war. Real serious stuff. A true man in the arena. I am glad he lived through it. We have shared some great fuck stories since making our acquaintance on this board.

The best way to avoid a second wave in Republica Dominicana would be not to allow those from the US hot zones into the country for a very long time. Like until high season here. And just write that money off. Cause when it comes back it is going to blood money paid for with sickness and death of the citizens of Republica Dominicana. If they need the money at least try to stop the wave by screening visitors hard at immigration and turning those who do not meet medical standards back right at the airport!

Put a tent isolation ward right there outside the terminal at the airports and be ready to test on the spot and hold them until the results are returned. Give humane medical treatment if needed and bill embassy of the rich country they came from. And if someone in a resort gets sick. Lock the entire place off. Fuck them! Keep the people of Republica Dominicana safe.

Sexual service providers to off islanders will be at the most risk. They would do well to invest in those temp measuring devices.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2450493]In the US there have been more than a few armed rebellions against the government by people who are tired of quarantine and the crazy overreach that a lot politicians are doing right now.[/QUOTE]Are you speaking of the protests with guns where not a shot was fired? Hardly an armed rebellion my man. That is my opinion of the situation. The we had was a certain type of US citizen doing what they like to do and knowing they could get away with it with impunity like they always have. Let us see what happens when one of those protesters squeezes one off. They going to find out that the police do not play! Mothers going to cry. And I am not going to give a fuck. I do not have a dog in that fight. I read a quote from a political representative in the United States of America. She said what many of us already know. Nothing like speaking truth to power.

Let me repeat, The United States of America does not have things under control medically. Officials in charge over there cannot even decide to open or not. The only doctor currently speaking truth to power says there is not enough testing to reopen the United States of America. But I've read people are worried about the testing in Republica Dominicana. Sounds like someone is scared and needs to take their own advice.

You you know I have no problem with people making decisions for themselves. But here, here my man the police popped a cap into a person standing on their porch after hours first week of the curfew. He was unarmed. I did not google that. I saw it on the news on the TV in my house. I get the local news stations. I live here. I am here right now. I say fuck the police all the time. But I am not going to fuck WITH the police.

And just as side note there are so many better places to live in the the world than the United States of America and I am not the only person posting on here that believes that.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2450493]People have now realized one major thing since the start of this:[INDENT][list] WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER... but you have to stay home and lose income, etc... however, politicians keep getting paid and healthcare, etc.[/list][list]People are past the "flatten the curve" aspect, and are realizing how many rights in all areas of the world were wiped away with a .01% mortality virus... Imagine one with a 20%!.[/list][/INDENT][/QUOTE]I believe this is a false choice that is being presented by governments all over the world. What people need is the information to protect themselves and the tools and equipment to do so. Each and every individual is responsible for their own health. Every adult has been doing that their entire lives. They have been making basic health choices. Doing things like preventative health care to taking a job where you got to strap on your vest, check your side arm, rack your Mossberg and make sure you are smooth on the right and ready to fight. Cause you do not know what is going to be on the other side of that door your partner is about to breach.

What governments need to do is protect their people from outsiders who do not care about them but are just interested in entertaining themselves. Yeah, that is straight no chase right there people. That is essentially what tourists of all types are doing as they visit other countries and ask people to serve them. As a person who lives on the island tourism may provide a lot of jobs, but it is not an essential business for me.

So, I say this to the people who are contemplating exploring the places that have been unspoiled by Americans, go there please! Take your untested asymptomatic asses somewhere other than Republica Dominicana. Go ahead and go spoil the places that are currently unspoiled. I am good where I am at. I like exactly the way Republica Dominicana is right now (without the SOE of course). We do not need you! I have been to so many unspoiled places in Republica Dominicana. Even in Punta Cana there is the peoples beach. I have been there. No tourists. It was an incredible experience. But I never posted about it because it had nothing to do with having sex with girls in Republica Dominicana. When goto Punta Cana. I take" sand to the beach". You do not have to. But that is what I do. Let us face facts, when you are hanging out in El Conde and Sosua the influence of outsiders affects you and you think it affects the entire country. It does not!

"People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer. But now, yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back. So you can either hand over your son or you can die screaming alongside him!" - John Wick (Keanu Reeves). Now, I never left. But I just love that quote!

Got much respect for ya brother. Here is to a future cabana party with hot chicas and raising a glass together John Wick style! You are still bringing the Blantons right?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2451193]Got much respect for ya brother. Here is to a future cabana party with hot chicas and raising a glass together John Wick style! You are still bringing the Blantons right?[/QUOTE]Great post sub, and we might disagree on a few points you make some really solid points from someone on island right now. Yep, got a bottle of Blanton's to bring down for a few drinks one night before casas / dinner / chicas.

My man YyzTravel. You know it is pussy before politics each and every goddamn day. That's how the players play!

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2451481]Great post sub, and we might disagree on a few points you make some really solid points from someone on island right now. Yep, got a bottle of Blanton's to bring down for a few drinks one night before casas / dinner / chicas.[/QUOTE]Senor Presidente spoke today. Lots of words. Little substance. We are going have to learn to live with COVID-19. Phasing day to day life back in. No hard date on opening the airports just yet. Stay tuned!

You know how hard it is to get bourbon? Lots of pussy. But bourbon especially the good stuff? Now that is valuable!

Chamber of Deputies voted to extend the state of emergency for 12 more days.

[URL]https://www.diariolibre.com/actualidad/bajo-amenaza-de-que-sera-la-ultima-diputados-aprueban-extension-por-12-dias-del-estado-de-emergencia-HB19182533?utm_source=recomendadas&utm_medium=bloque&utm_campaign=blueconic[/URL]

I was wondering if the people posting up in here who say that DRGOV is lying about COVID-19 statistics have anything to back up their assertions?

Luis Abner and his wife have COVID-19. Hope they both hang tough and recover!

[URL]https://www.diariolibre.com/actualidad/politica/presidente-danilo-lamenta-que-abinader-tenga-covid-19-GM19408943?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=push[/URL]

It should be noted that if you are actually here on the island nobody calls it a curfew. Everybody calls it "cuarenta" o "toque de queda". In fact every girl I talk to in Spanish speaking countries calls it a "cuarenta". But off islanders would not know this. Maybe they just felt the need to be a critic because not only are they not getting any pussy anymore they do not count.

Boots on the ground. Man in the arena. Continuing to post FROM Republica Dominicana until COVID-19 gets me!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2457706]Luis Abner and his wife have COVID-19. Hope they both hang tough and recover!

[URL]https://www.diariolibre.com/actualidad/politica/presidente-danilo-lamenta-que-abinader-tenga-covid-19-GM19408943?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=push[/URL]

It should be noted that if you are actually here on the island nobody calls it a curfew. Everybody calls it "cuarenta" o "toque de queda". In fact every girl I talk to in Spanish speaking countries calls it a "cuarenta". But off islanders would not know this. Maybe they just felt the need to be a critic because not only are they not getting any pussy anymore they do not count.

Boots on the ground. Man in the arena. Continuing to post FROM Republica Dominicana until COVID-19 gets me![/QUOTE]Uhm, toque de queda basically means curfew. Why would Dominicans use the English word for it?

Luis Rodolfo Abinader Corona is the president elect of the Dominican Republic.

[QUOTE=Prtyr2;2465256]Uhm, toque de queda basically means curfew. Why would Dominicans use the English word for it?[/QUOTE]Thank you for more of your insights on the use of the Spanish language and I will leave your question as a exercise for the readers and yourself. I am surprised we heard nothing from you about where to get the best stake during the "toque de queda". That would have been a useful contribution.

Why would they (Dominicans) also refer to it as a cuarenta?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2465885]Luis Rodolfo Abinader Corona is the president elect of the Dominican Republic.

Thank you for more of your insights on the use of the Spanish language and I will leave your question as a exercise for the readers and yourself. I am surprised we heard nothing from you about where to get the best stake during the "toque de queda". That would have been a useful contribution.

Why would they (Dominicans) also refer to it as a cuarenta?[/QUOTE]La caurentena means quarantine in spanish. Technically they are different concepts, though I'll give you that they tangentially related.

Alright, I rarely wade into these conversations about Spanish, because some numbskull who knows 15 words in the language inevitably tries to argue with me. Cuarantena means quarantine. Toque de quada is a related concept, but usually refers to a curfew. However, you may hear them used together, because a curfew is frequently a feature of a quarantine.

Curfew, OTOH, is an English word and not a Spanish one, and as such I don't know why one would expect a Dominican to use it.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2465885]Luis Rodolfo Abinader Corona is the president elect of the Dominican Republic.

Thank you for more of your insights on the use of the Spanish language and I will leave your question as a exercise for the readers and yourself. I am surprised we heard nothing from you about where to get the best stake during the "toque de queda". That would have been a useful contribution.

Why would they (Dominicans) also refer to it as a cuarenta?[/QUOTE].

But yet I am still getting schooled after over 5 years of posting about Republica Dominicana.

[QUOTE=Combo;2465941]Alright, I rarely wade into these conversations about Spanish, because some numbskull who knows 15 words in the language inevitably tries to argue with me. Cuarantena means quarantine. Toque de quada is a related concept, but usually refers to a curfew. However, you may hear them used together, because a curfew is frequently a feature of a quarantine. Curfew, OTOH, is an English word and not a Spanish one, and as such I don't know why one would expect a Dominican to use it.[/QUOTE]Since I know more than 15 words of Spanish and actually live on the island I will address your post. I am not fluent but as other off islanders have pointed out I know how to use google. And I use it often.

I never said Dominicans were using the word curfew. My question is why are you asking the question and others making that inaccurate statements? My use of the english language is clear and I am very good at it. But Dominicans use many english words. Anyone (even numbskull off islanders) who have spent any time here on the island knows this.

As for your question I will leave it to your readers to answer or yourself. But since we are asking questions about Spanish language usage can you tell me why they also referred to it as "cuarentena"?

Cuarentena was accurate. Why? Since airports were closed to visitors to the island during the majority of the time the SOE was in force. I guess you missed that part while you were off island.

In my opinion Prtyr post was not intended to share information but to poke fun at me as he has done the entire time he has responded to my posts. Someone told me they have met him and he's is good guy. I just have to take their word for it.

Interesting, I spelled Abinader wrong in my post about COVID-19. I guess you missed that too. Want to tell us about pussy in the DR? My bad! This is not the section for that. Make sure you leave out price so that some do not feel the need to comment on what grown men are paying for pussy.

Did anyone find this spot?

[QUOTE=Prtyr2;2465247]Hmmm. Cannot picture it. Car wash pirot is close. Plaza caribe is close and apparently reopened as a night club. Used to be a place briefly on the other side of the elevado but that was years ago. Need to do a trip to villacon and villa agrcola when they lift quarantine.[/QUOTE]Or when they lift curfew? Which is it brother?

Welcome back Prtyr2 I missed your witty repartee. LOL! As for the others file a trip report then talk about my Spanish. Do any of you characters know that the island is open. No "toque de quada":

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2465927]La caurentena means quarantine in spanish. Technically they are different concepts, though I'll give you that they tangentially related.[/QUOTE]No [B]cuarentena[/B].

[URL]https://www.wordreference.com/es/translation.asp?tranword=quarantine[/URL]

I make mistakes. But, if you are going to correct me get that shit right! Two middle fingers up!

"President Danilo Medina maintains current restrictions and extends the curfew for 25 more days, prohibiting the movement of people from 7:00 pm in some provinces, and 8:00 pm in others.

The provision published in decree 298-20 dated August 8, explains that the measure will be reviewed by the new authorities that will take office on August 16,2020.

The measure that seeks to stop the massive contagion of the coronavirus, restricts circulation from Monday to Friday from 7:00 pm to 5:00 am, and on Saturdays and Sundays from 5:00 am to 5:00 pm, in the following geographic demarcations:

1) Santo Domingo 2) Distrito Nacional 3) Santiago 4) San Cristbal 5) La Vega 6) Puerto Plata 7) Duarte 8) San Pedro de Macors 9) La Romana 10) San Juan de la Maguana 11) La Altagracia 12) Azua 13) Monseor Nouel 14) Snchez Ramrez 15) Mara Trinidad Snchez.

In the following geographical areas the curfew is established every day of the week from 8:00 pm to 5:00 am:

1) Espaillat 2) Peravia 3) Barahona 4) Monte Plata 5) Valverde 6) Hermanas Mirabal 7) Monte Cristi 8) Saman 9) Bahoruco 10) Hato Mayor 11) El Seibo 12) Dajaband 13) Santiago Rodrguez 14) San Jos de Ocoa 15) Elas Pia 16) Independencia 17) Pedernales".

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2020/08/08/curfew-extended-for-25-more-days/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;2473940]Good to see you back after a long hiatus! Hope life is treating you right in the DR in the middle of the outbreak.[/QUOTE]Yes, my man! I am doing good, for now. If things don't go well for me in the future I got my spot in the ground picked out.

When things opened back up I here in Republica Dominicana I took a step back. Because I needed to prepare for the second wave. I saw it coming like a hanging curve ball. It was a good thing that I did. And I was much better prepared for this SOE than the first one. Yours and Grownman's trip reports were shining examples of what the forum is supposed to be about. Under this second SOE the "toque de queda" is becoming the new normal. You simply put on your mask and plan your day with the 5 AM to 7 PM daytime availability in mind.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2473967]Yes, my man! I am doing good, for now. If things don't go well for me in the future I got my spot in the ground picked out.[/QUOTE]Yes, one has to plan for that too. I have a little less hassle, as it is fire for me. As they say, dust to dust!

Good to hear that you are doing well.

"[B]Santo Domingo, RD.[/B].

When delivering the State budget for the year 2021 to the National Congress, the Minister of Finance, Jochi Vicente, indicated that the amount assigned to the Ministry of the Interior and Police, of RD $ 43,276,034,668, represents an "unwanted partial" increase in salary of the police, according to the amount that Luis Abinader promised when he was on the campaign.

Similarly, he assured that this institution has an increase greater than that assigned in the 2020 budget.

Likewise, the general director of the Budget, Jos Rijo Presbot, said that with this increase that this institution will have, the minimum salary of a police officer will be around 300 dollars, equivalent to 17,525. 15 Dominican pesos.

"For the Police it will represent 60 percent, of the increase that was discussed to bring it to 500 dollars, that is to say that the lowest salary in the police will have around 300 dollars minimum," said Rijo Presbot when delivering the document.

The budget for the year 2021 contemplates an amount of RD $ 947,511,158,717, to be distributed to State institutions."

Flaunt the laws at your own risk gentleman. Be the next poster child for "Locked up abroad". LOL! I have never paid more than 20 pesos at a traffic stop. I have written before that if a officer treats me with respect I give them respect. 20 pesos will by them something to drink at a colmado and they are often working in the hot sun. My last three police stops resulted in no action. And no payments. Things are changing here in the Dominican Republic. It is still a government of the people but that is beginning to change [I]poco y poco[/I] (little by little). Watch the [U](compound profanity deleted)[/U] Spanish professors come out on that one!.

Traffic violations are minor especially when you are a gringo visitor. Even accidents that are simply property damage are only about payment. Now, injure or kill someone in a car accident here you are going to jail until things get sorted out.

[I]But then again, what the fuck do I know? I just live here.[/I]

[URL]https://listindiario.com/economia/2020/10/01/637592/presupuesto-de-2021-contempla-sueldo-minimo-de-300-dolares-para-policias[/URL]

[QUOTE=Cbear13;2509409]Driving back the other night. Got caught out about 2 hours past curfew. Cop asked me to help him with money so he can get dinner. Gave him 2000 pesos and went on my way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2510653]LOL. When are you guys going to learn? I also got caught out the other night. They asked for my permission slip. I gave them my Thai drivers license. They looked at it for a minute and started saying something to each other about the colonel, then said go ahead and moved the cone or whatever out of my way.

2000 pesos is about what I spent on dinner at one of the finest restaurants in Santo Domingo that same night. Not a bad take for a guy that makes 8,000 pesos in one month.[/QUOTE]

[U]First issue[/U]

Officials of the Dominican Republic are not trying to fuck with tourists. They have taken a publicity hit with the many tourist deaths pre COVID-19 and a hit during the COVID-19 period. They are making a effort to restart the tourist economy. The tourist economy may be centered on AIs. But they (officials of the Dominican Republic) know that their are many "adventure" tourists who are not tying to be locked down in a minimum security prison (AKA: AI).

So, when stopped by the police, show respect, show that you do not understand the violation they are trying to pin on you. Show that you do not understand that they are asking for money and if you have not been detained on a serious violation you have a good chance of extracting yourself from the police contact if you handle yourself correctly.

I am not in favor of the "fuck the police" advice thrown around here by a certain prolific poster. To each their own. Because I live here and I see that things are changing dramatically. The new POTDR has made it clear it is a new day in Republica Dominicana. My many friends that also live here discuss this almost weekly.

There is at least one major article in the papers or on TV that show a strong move from the administration that "business as usual" is not going to be accepted in Republica Dominicana anymore. So, for those who are wise it would behoove them to update their archaic views of how things operate in Republic Dominicana be become aware of things that could be different and handle yourself accordingly.

[U]Second issue[/U]

Their are two reasons why you see a difference of mask usage in the Dominican Republic. [I]1. Enforcement 2. Socio Economic Status (SES).[/I].

[I]Enforcement[/I]

The police cannot be everywhere at all times. The barrio is a closed location. By that I mean it can be pretty obvious to others when you enter one that you do not live there.

I have written about this before.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2504868]Was told by my chica visiting who showed up by using a taxi exempt from restrictions that in the barrio they simply play games with the police. Staying close to their homes and partying and when the police show everyone goes into someone's house. They wait until they leave and then go back to partying.[/QUOTE]Now maybe the point of my post got lost in the discussion amongst the many Spanish professors positing here. But that is because they really don't have any real knowledge to impart. Just nit picking at my posts that kick serious knowledge into their eye holes.

[I]Socio Economic Status[/I]

Those with nothing to lose except for their lives take more risk. The fact that individuals that are only visiting and running around in barrios looking for pussy do not see any individuals wearing masks does not surprise me. If you go to Av. Churchill you will see everyone wearing a mask. You call that a tourist area?

It is not different any different than you see with motorcycle riders using helmets. I see much less use of helmets in the areas where people are less affluent than I see in the areas that are more affluent.

I always have to put my coffee down before reading the Dominican Republic forum of ISG. Because these visitors making sweeping island proclamations based on a few days to a week of visiting here have me laughing my fucking ass off!

[I]But what the fuck do I know. I just live here![/I]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgFooDg2RVE[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W39RbECzmdE[/URL]

People may not be taking the use of masks seriously. But the controlling legal authorities in the Dominican Republic are!

I do so enjoy the weekend warrior experts posting up in here about actual life in the Dominican Republic. They may know a lot about how to get pussy here but not so much about actual living. I understand why. They simply do not have the same interests as I do. There is absolute no way a visitor can speak to life here the way someone with "boots on the ground" does.

Here is an example:

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2502999]The price may be cheaper but you will end up chewing all the teeth out of your mouth fucking around with some DR beef. US shit may have hormones but it is definitely better quality. That is why you can walk into a restaurant and the US stuff is touted, not the DR stuff. If the beef is not USDA, Argentine, or Japanese (Australian if I have no choice) then I will have the chicken please.[/QUOTE]Santo Domingo The Dominican Republic has completed most of the process to lift the ban on beef exports to the United States, and all that remains to be done is for inspectors from the USA Department of Agriculture to visit the five meat processing plants authorized to export, informed the Ministry of Agriculture.

The agency said that the country is called phase four of equivalence, which is how the process to be fulfilled for lifting the ban is known.

To achieve this last goal, an inter-institutional commission was formed to articulate strategies to set up audits of the inspection systems in the five meat processing plants authorized for export in the country by the Food Safety Inspection Service (FSIS) of the United States Department of Agriculture.

The purpose, said the Minister of Agriculture, Limber Cruz, is for the Dominican Republic to reestablish beef exports to the United States, paused by a ban of more than 20 years.

He said that the high-level commission formed will guarantee the meat industry's quality, health, and safety control systems in slaughterhouses, processing plants, and cattle ranches.

The Interinstitutional Follow-up Commission for Beef Exports is made up of Alexis Alonso and Ruband Hernndez, livestock advisors to the Executive Branch and Agriculture, who will coordinate it.

It is also completed by Luis Martnez and Jaime Santoni, from Public Health, and producers Ricardo Barcel, Ulises de Veras, Enrique de Castro and Jonatand Rivera.

This commission held a meeting with Sonia Guzmand, Dominican ambassador to the United States, in which also participated the director of Inespre Ivand Hernndez Guzmand, as well as technicians, inspectors, and business people of the sector.

Minister Cruz delivered to the ambassador the documentation that guarantees to the United States authorities the country's conditions to resume beef exports to that market.

The Dominican diplomat showed her willingness to strengthen the productive sectors, especially those who have a vocation for export and generation of foreign exchange and create employment sources.

She informed that she would convene a working team in Washington to promote this initiative through the pertinent official mechanisms.

The Minister urged meat producers to comply with the specifications and commitments in terms of quality, quantity, and frequency once the ban is lifted."

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2021/02/08/the-us-would-remove-the-ban-on-meat-exports-from-the-dominican-republic/[/URL]

So, here we have five meat packing plants ready to export meat from the Dominican Republic to the United States of America. I understand that everyone has their personal preferences. But the individual quoted above refers to beef from the US as "shit" but says it is better quality.

So I ask, (just in general) how will beef from the Dominican Republic be received in the United States of America?

[I]"Expect there will be many ex-patriots, especially in the NYC and Boston areas who will appreciate access to meat from "home". Because of low fat content and grass-fed (organic?) qualities the Dominican meats could find a market space. Just have to be vigilant that meats of good quality are set apart to maintain the commitments of domestic consumption. ".[/I]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2530164]I do so enjoy the weekend warrior experts posting up in here about actual life in the Dominican Republic. They may know a lot about how to get pussy here but not so much about actual living. I understand why. [/QUOTE]An update on goat price: The other day I bought goat in Santiago. 300 pesos per pound. Do not know what happened here. That is a 30% hike since Christmas.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;2531515]An update on goat price: The other day I bought goat in Santiago. 300 pesos per pound. Do not know what happened here. That is a 30% hike since Christmas.[/QUOTE]Goat aside, we see it in the supermarket imports every week. It's tough on the locals, and the strong USA Dollar doesn't help.

On the global scale, you ain't seen nothing yet. USA Interest rates have been artificially low for a while now, and with the shut down of the economy due to COVID and the spending priorities of the new USA Govt. They will have to print money to pay for their ever increasing expenditures. Inflation is about to take off.

The good news. It's A good time to get or refi a mortgage.

[QUOTE=Oakie;2531673]The good news. It's A good time to get or refi a mortgage.[/QUOTE]Actually in my opinion it is a bad time to take on debt. Conserving cash is the right move in uncertain times. I pay cash for all consumer purchases. And if your purchase is in the DR. This is the right time. The currency of my home country is slipping against the dollar.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2532226]Actually in my opinion it is a bad time to take on debt. Conserving cash is the right move in uncertain times. I pay cash for all consumer purchases. And if your purchase is in the DR. This is the right time. The currency of my home country is slipping against the dollar.[/QUOTE]I was talking only about home mortgages, long term debt. Short term consumer debt, finance, credit cards etc, is always a budget killer.

For a home owner, occasionally there is an opportunity to consolidate such high interest debt by the judicial use of historic low mortgage rates.

With continuing higher house prices in the industrial world over the long term, a fixed low interest mortgage can actually be a profitable option.

As for "uncertain times", I don't ever recall "certain times", especially with new governments taking over.

Those who have spent more time actually living here and who have more experience living in places that would not be considered puta pueblos understand that there are times that have been more secure and less.

And it has nothing to do with the governments that are in place at any point and time. You see governments come and go. That is the history of mankind. But day to day life for individuals continues despite is all.

Only those running though life with pesos in one hand and a drink in the other do not understand that. Take care of your health. And conserve your cash. Better times are ahead of us here in the Dominican Republic!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2542246]Those who have spent more time actually living here and who have more experience living in places that would not be considered puta pueblos understand that there are times that have been more secure and less.

And it has nothing to do with the governments that are in place at any point and time. You see governments come and go. That is the history of mankind. But day to day life for individuals continues despite is all.

Only those running though life with pesos in one hand and a drink in the other do not understand that. Take care of your health. And conserve your cash. Better times are ahead of us here in the Dominican Republic![/QUOTE]Only guys running thru life with pesos and drinks in hand don't understand that governments have a profound affect on the average citizen's life style.

I've travelled to at least 30 countries in my long life, lived and worked in 6, and it's only folks who live in puta pueblos that will never understand that quality of life for the average citizen depends on the government in currently in power.

Check out and. Korea vs S. Korea, East Germany vs West Germany, Cuba vs the rest of the Caribbean, and even here on this island, Haiti vs Dominican Republic, to name some obvious examples.

I've managed to stay one step ahead of the control freaks, and thought police, as they took over my Europe, my Canada, and my good old USA By now living happily in DR. By the time they come for me here, I'll be long dead, LOL.

Before I moved to the Dominican Republic I traveled to 33 different countries. Further more I fucked over 300 girls so I did not need to move to the Dominican Republic and live in a puta pueblo in order to realize that you can get pussy without pesos in hand and a drink in the other similar to the average sexpat. LOL!

And no I do not believe that governments control the lives of anyone. By any measure the government of my country of origin hates me. They kill people who look like me without consequence. And yet without having the key look of privilege I have managed to live in the same country as others who have been blessed with privilege. In spite of the government of my country of origin.

Those who are in the arena know that is about the efforts of the individual not the critic or the government in charge. Those who think otherwise are similar to the (1. Stupid person. 2. a male ass or donkey). That gets put on the bus, train, plane and taken around the world. What gets off, (1. Stupid person. 2. a male ass or donkey). I see opinions expressed of individuals similar to our traveler expressed up in here quite frequently. It's all good!

As a man in the arena I will never allow the critics to matter. Or the governments run by them. Or the people who think that government matters in the excessive to ever change my outlook on the world.

A difference in opinion indeed! Where do you live now Oakie?

[QUOTE=Oakie;2542761]Only guys running thru life with pesos and drinks in hand don't understand that governments have a profound affect on the average citizen's life style.

I've travelled to at least 30 countries in my long life, lived and worked in 6, and it's only folks who live in puta pueblos that will never understand that quality of life for the average citizen depends on the government in currently in power.

Check out and. Korea vs S. Korea, East Germany vs West Germany, Cuba vs the rest of the Caribbean, and even here on this island, Haiti vs Dominican Republic, to name some obvious examples.

I've managed to stay one step ahead of the control freaks, and thought police, as they took over my Europe, my Canada, and my good old USA By now living happily in DR. By the time they come for me here, I'll be long dead, LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2543054]A difference in opinion indeed! Where do you live now Oakie?[/QUOTE]There's a hint in my post. Plus anyone who has been on the forum awhile knows where I live. So try to figure it out, LOL.

I must admit you got me on the country count, though. All hail to you!

But I didn't get to 28 of them, or the 36 or so you. S States by plane, bus or train.

And, no, I didn't come to DR to buy cheap pussy. I haven't picked up a hooker here in 6 years.

There's more, much more, to my life here!

But enjoy! To each his own.

Men in the arena know this. That is why they do not pay attention to critics. I am happy for each and every individual who travels or lives in the Dominican Republic. They have a opportunity to experience a different place and a different way of living (of course unless they are from here).

[QUOTE=Oakie;2543458]I must admit you got me on the country count, though. All hail to you![/QUOTE]Thank you hermano!

Those who have been on the forum for a while know that I have consistently expressed that I believe all should seek what they enjoy and not pay attention to the advice of what others say they should or should not be doing while here. If putting notches up on your country count or dick is what turns one on they should do it.

If they like it, I love it!

The Dominican Republic is place where people can enjoy themselves. And this section of the Forum looks at political aspect of the Dominican Republic. Even if that section is located in a puta pueblo. You see I do not care how anyone chooses to get their pussy while they are here. My issue is always with those who think they know best and can tell others how they should be using their time and money. Like if you should own a car in the Dominican Republic (I've got two). Political opinions are always likely to differ. And they are welcome.

One of the political things that have been going on is that Santo Domingo este is changing. There is not much reason to cross the bridge for anything anymore. Development has driven this and a recognition that EAST SIDE has always been THE place to be in the eyes of some people. I found Don Julio 1942 in a store on east side. Because man cannot live on good ron alone.

Benvienido a Republica Dominicana hermano! Enjoy your section of country. If you like it, I love it! LOL!

While some choose to take issue with what I write and quote me out of context. Others are actually contributing to adding knowledge for others that Travel to the Dominican Republic. Note I said travel. Because the skill set needed for travel to the Dominican Republic and living here is different. As are the typical interest of those two different groups of individuals.

Flap meat steak 649/ DOP a pound. Imported from the United States of America. Angus. This particular cut I found at Ole. But there the same thing is also available at Bravo. On East Side! Now why am I talking about the price and availability of meat in the Politics section. Because I am following up on the post from our own Mr. T.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;2531515]An update on goat price: The other day I bought goat in Santiago. 300 pesos per pound. Do not know what happened here. That is a 30% hike since Christmas.[/QUOTE]Things are changing in the Dominican Republic since the new POTDR took over. Prices are increasing across the board and things are going upscale. More housing is being priced in USD. Now if you are not making USD and need to change DOP to USD you are getting ass raped without lube on that transaction. So, these houses are targeted at high income Dominicans or those from outside the country with stronger currencies that can be changed into USD without having blood dripping from your ass.

The other thing that is leading to price increases is that the government has given out a lot of aid during the COVID-19 crisis. Now the government is collecting that back though taxes on goods and services on the Business to Business side. How do I know this? I am experiencing it. I am in the middle of a development project and the prices of supplies are going up each round of purchasing. I asked my project manager why this was occurring and he told me. He is even bring me written quotes from three different vendors and asking other Dominicans involved in the same type of work about their prices and they are verifying the pricing information.

So, there is some insight for you on meat prices T. But even given that more and more products that are expensive and imported are making onto the shelves here on East Side. That alone says something!

In my opinion, the Dominican Republic is not a poor country overall. It is a country that like my country of origin has extreme concentration of wealth and income. But there is a growing middle class. This group is being positioned by the new administration to be the engine of growth for the money classes here. Like the movement of chess pieces and I have a front row seat watching the action being played out.

References below:

[URL]https://listindiario.com/economia/2021/03/29/663317/por-que-algunas-viviendas-se-venden-en-dolares-en-republica-dominicana[/URL]

[URL]https://listindiario.com/economia/2021/01/31/655016/aumento-en-el-precio-de-la-carne-de-cerdo-desde-este-lunes-1-de-febrero[/URL]

[URL]https://listindiario.com/economia/2021/02/09/656206/caro-todo-esta-muy-caro[/URL]

Just have google translate the page for you and you can read it, if you cannot read Spanish like I can.

[B]Restrictions[/B]

"President Luis Abinader will order a curfew in the National District and Santo Domingo province, every day, from 8:00 pm To 5:00 am And the prohibition of selling and drinking alcoholic beverages in places of public access from 5:00 in the afternoon.

"The decree with the provision will be released this Wednesday, and the measures come into effect from Thursday 27," reported the Presidency of the Republic yesterday.

There will be a grace of free movement of three hours to reach their residences.

"The sale of alcoholic beverages to be consumed in public and private spaces for public use is prohibited from 5:00 in the afternoon to 5:00 in the morning," says the presidential note."

[URL]https://listindiario.com/la-republica/2021/05/26/672099/el-gobierno-apuesta-a-desarticular-los-teteos[/URL]

POTDR is going hard in the paint on this one!

[B]New Hours[/B]

[URL]https://listindiario.com/la-republica/2021/05/31/672871/gobierno-dispone-nuevo-horario-de-toque-de-queda-en-todo-el-pais[/URL]

Set up your work arounds as needed. Starts June 2, 2021.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2564631][B]New Hours[/B]

[URL]https://listindiario.com/la-republica/2021/05/31/672871/gobierno-dispone-nuevo-horario-de-toque-de-queda-en-todo-el-pais[/URL]

Set up your work arounds as needed. Starts June 2, 2021.[/QUOTE]One suggested work around, visit Sosua.

"The provinces Duarte, Espaillat, La Altagracia, La Vega, Samaná, Santiago, Puerto Plata are the only ones that will have hours from 10:00 at night to 5:00 in the morning, from Monday to Friday.

On Saturdays and Sundays it will be from 9:00 at night until 5:00 in the morning".

[QUOTE=Oakie;2564761]One suggested work around, visit Sosua.

"The provinces Duarte, Espaillat, La Altagracia, La Vega, Saman, Santiago, Puerto Plata are the only ones that will have hours from 10:00 at night to 5:00 in the morning, from Monday to Friday.

On Saturdays and Sundays it will be from 9:00 at night until 5:00 in the morning".[/QUOTE]According to the internet, "Sosúa is a beach town in the Puerto Plata province of the Dominican Republic. Located approximately 4 miles (6. 4 km) from the Gregorio Luperóand International Airport in San Felipe de Puerto Plata. " The mandate did not list specific towns, just the provinces.

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;2565081]According to the internet, "Sosa is a beach town in the Puerto Plata province of the Dominican Republic. Located approximately 4 miles (6. 4 km) from the Gregorio Luperand International Airport in San Felipe de Puerto Plata. " The mandate did not list specific towns, just the provinces.[/QUOTE]Sosua is in the Province of Puerto Plata, so the curfew in Sosua will remain. "10:00 at night to 5:00 in the morning, from Monday to Friday. On Saturdays and Sundays it will be from 9:00 at night until 5:00 in the morning".

[QUOTE=Oakie;2565108]Sosua is in the Province of Puerto Plata, so the curfew in Sosua will remain. "10:00 at night to 5:00 in the morning, from Monday to Friday. On Saturdays and Sundays it will be from 9:00 at night until 5:00 in the morning".[/QUOTE]Update: see my post today in the Sosua Forum.

[URL]https://english.elpais.com/usa/2021-10-03/pandora-papers-in-latin-america-three-active-heads-of-state-and-11-former-presidents-operated-in-tax-havens.html[/URL]

Another president featured in the Pandora Papers is the Dominican Luis Abinader, whose successful business career was in the hotel sector. The documents link him to two companies in Panama, Littlecot Inc. And Padreso SA. Both were created before he took office and were used to manage assets in Dominican Republic. Local media outlet Noticias Sin's investigation flags up the fact that the shares of these companies were initially "payable to the bearer," an instrument used to hide the beneficial owner of the companies.

A legislative reform in 2018 obliged the Abinader family to publicly register as beneficial owners. Upon becoming president in 2020, Abinader declared nine offshore companies that he controlled through a trust. Both he and Piñera used the Panama-based law firm, OMC Group, the firm used by Colombian singer Shakira for at least three of the offshore companies the Spanish Treasury has been tracking for years.

While I was on sabbatical this important court ruling came down:

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2021/11/29/high-court-prostitution-is-legal-pimping-is-not/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.diariolibre.com/actualidad/justicia/scj-se-castiga-el-proxenetismo-no-la-prostitucion-HB30205233[/URL]

[URL]https://poderjudicial.gob.do/scj-establece-que-el-tipo-penal-del-proxenetismo-no-solo-lo-constituye-la-presencia-de-la-victima-sino-tambien-otros-medios-de-pruebas/[/URL]

The ruling.

[URL]https://consultaglobal.blob.core.windows.net/documentos/5f49d9e3-addd-4711-9a3f-16edf501454e_FCG_PUB.pdf[/URL]

If there is a term that I cannot stand to see being used by individuals that claim to be educated it is [B]Third World Country[/B]. If you research the term and you delve into all the different ways that countries can be classified you will not find the [I]Dominican Republic[/I] on any of the [B]Third World Country[/B] lists.

Then add to the fact that the term [B]Third World Country[/B] is outdated but still in use (especially for people posting in many of the ISG forums). The politically correct designation would be less developed countries. So, let us review the terms Least Developed Countries (UN) or Low-Income countries (World Bank).

The New World Bank country classifications by income level 2021-2022 lists the Dominican Republic as an Upper-Middle-Income Economy. Not exactly third world.

Everything is not negotiated in the Dominican Republic: As for the assertion that you can walk into La Sirena, Price Smart, Bravo or Playero and negotiate the price down from what is being shown on the shelf. Well I welcome anyone on this board to try that and let us know how it worked out for you.

My Dad used to tell me: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Now when it comes to the price of social / sexual services those are certainly negotiable. But call an escort agency targeted at more affluent individuals and try to negotiate a lower rate. You will get your ass hung up on or if you are writing in WhatsApp blocked. So, even when you are purchasing social / sexual services not all vendors selling them are going to negotiate. And if you decide to purchase those services because they represent a value to you. That does not make you anything, other than a man who is willing to spend his money on what he wants.

The concept that the man who pays more for social / sexual services than another man is doing something wrong is a Man Law Violation. There are no words that can use that would not get me kicked of the forum to express the level of idiocy I think is being display by people who push this line of reasoning.

Unless you are paying for a friend, all money spend on social / sexual services is money spent on yourself. Does the person who decides they are going to shop in Nordstrom have a problem because he chooses buy something in that store not Walmart? Can he buy some products at Nordstrom and some at Walmart. You decide.

And before you tell me all social / sexual services are the same (unlike hard goods), you have to explain to me why you pay different prices for the social / sexual services all around the world. I'm listening.

POTDR was in Sosua yesterday.

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/north-coast/2022/06/25/tourism-begins-renovation-of-sosua-beach/[/URL]

"President Luis Abinader and the Minister of Tourism, David Collado, started rearranging Sosa beach with an investment of 600 million pesos. The work carried out through the Executing Committee for Infrastructure in Tourist Zones (CEIZTUR) of MITUR will positively impact commercial activity, contribute to the excellent handling and management of the beach, and encourage investment in that destination.

This project will cover the recovery of the beach, fitting out restrooms, and organizing the vendors who make life in this area. It will also include the reordering of traffic, parking, and improvement of access to beaches, installation of security cameras, and regularization.

Of entertainment centers.

A Project Management and Sustainability Unit will also be created to guarantee its permanence over time. Minister Collado indicated that the government, through the Ministry of Tourism, will carry out training and education for vendors, as well as financing.

For their businesses. ".

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/tourism/2022/06/23/construction-of-the-cruise-port-in-samana-will-start-in-july/[/URL]

POTDR is really taking good care of the investors in the tourism business here in the Dominican Republic. I wonder why that is? LOL!

[B]Police and members of the DNCD intervene in Sosua beach[/B]

Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.

Members of the National Directorate for Drug Control (DNCD), the National Police and the Tourism Police intervened in the facilities of the beach in the municipality of Sosua, after the government and the vendors did not reach an agreement on the size of the the three plazas that will be built on the site.

The sellers fear that, as has been done from "Casa Marina to Cabarete, where all the beaches are privatized", it will be done on that coast. They assure that they want 150 meters for each of the three squares that will be built on the beach and the government is offering them 100 meters, so they will not give in to that request.

"The government has taken over the beach here to take the beach away from us," said one of the vendors in a video posted on social media. They blame deputy Rafael Aníbal theíaz Rodríguez for any situation, for directing the contingent, as well as the mayor of the municipality of Sosúa, Wilfredo Olivences, for "anything that could happen to them. " According to vendors, Tourism Minister David Collado is expected to attend the scene.

In a video posted on social networks by an American, it is explained that the premises were intervened and all commercial activity was prohibited. The man expressed his concern and dissatisfaction with the action.

[URL]https://listindiario.com/la-republica/2022/09/13/738589/policias-y-miembros-de-la-dncd-intervienen-playa-de-sosua[/URL]

David Collado, Minister of Tourism, Dominican Republic is making a move against prostitution in Sosua. It is his vision that prostitution no longer exists there. The best insights into his thoughts are found in his Tweets.

On Twitter: (at) DavidColladoM.

[URL]https://www.sosuabeachdr.com/sosuabeach-changes2022/[/URL]

There are other sites out there covering the changes on Sosua Beach in greater depth. I don't know if I am allow to post it. But is will send you the link via a PM. A Dominican citizen who lives in the area has given me many insights into the thoughts of the politicians though the statements they have made through social media (I don't follow politicos from any country). It all stems from big money developers that want to come in and make investments and they want the area cleaned up. I read something in the one of Dominican Republic forums that it has something to do with YouTubers and naming themselves. Sorry Charlie. That is not it. Follow the money.

I made an error when I said there were no hyphenated Dominicans.

[QUOTE]AfroDominican activists are fighting against the Dominican Republics discriminatory legislation and social attitudes that negatively impact Black Dominicans and Haitian migrants[/QUOTE][URL]https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/09/15/black-activists-dominican-government-justice-and-recognition/[/URL]

I'm Latino proudly from Puerto Rico and I'm a mulatoo man, I can say this I faced discrimination in Latin America before and it normally goes like this these either it's dating, or classism. Unfortunately I experience Classism more in DR in that country I was staying at the JW and people thought I wasn't a resident there and I was getting triple check, I rarely speak Spanish to people when I'm in certain areas I speak English when you have a American accent and if you're black or mulatoo people think you have money it almost like you have to prove yourself harder when you're Latino. I was catching during my shift change at the JW from hotel staff. And hell I'm a successful businessman in the states. The point I'm about to make is this, I wouldn't be concerned about that article period. There isn't that much racism in that country because you'll find black dark skinned or Haitian people whom are quote on quote being mistreated. That'll work in collaboration with Dominicans of any race in order to rob you of your money even if it's going to cost you your life and always remember that when you visit that country!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2974687]I made an error when I said there were no hyphenated Dominicans.

[URL]https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/09/15/black-activists-dominican-government-justice-and-recognition/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[U]Actual Experiences[/U]

My experiences of actually living (10+ years) in the [U]Dominican Republic[/U] are not in alignment with the following statement:

[QUOTE]I wouldn't be concerned about that article period. There isn't that much racism in that country because you'll find black dark skinned or Haitian people whom are quote on quote being mistreated.[/QUOTE]I was shielded from the issues presented in the article mostly by the status of my citizenship. But that protection was also a double edged sword when it comes integrating into Dominican Society.

I can also tell you one story where I an my travel partner (a young smoking hot Dominican Citizen who is the same color as I am) were discriminated against in a popular Pizza restaurant in Jarabacoa. That sat us in a corner of the restaurant away from everyone else and they did not serve us. Everyone in the restaurant did not look like us. After we figured out what was happening to us my travel partner she was pissed. I calmed her down and suggested that we move onto another restaurant (as my experiences with that sort of situation in the United States of America served me well here). As we were leaving we both noted there was a side entrance where people who looked like us were picking up there meals to go (Jim Crow Style).

[B]My personal experiences do not invalidate the personal experiences of others[/B]

As for the status of Haitians in the Dominican Republic, I believe that individuals should do their homework and actually learn about the situation that exists on the ground there ([U]10 years of boots on the ground living there, remember[/U]) before speaking on the issue.

I'm sorry for my grammar error I'm literally apologizing in advance my electronic device was acting up, when typing this message I thought some of the stuff came out but the other wording killed my post in short don't worry about that article. Nor none of their social issues they need to start praying and literally mean both Dominicans and Haitians.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2975236]I'm Latino proudly from Puerto Rico and I'm a mulatoo man, I can say this I faced discrimination in Latin America before and it normally goes like this these either it's dating, or classism. Unfortunately I experience Classism more in DR in that country I was staying at the JW and people thought I wasn't a resident there and I was getting triple check, I rarely speak Spanish to people when I'm in certain areas I speak English when you have a American accent and if you're black or mulatoo people think you have money it almost like you have to prove yourself harder when you're Latino. I was catching during my shift change at the JW from hotel staff. And hell I'm a successful businessman in the states. The point I'm about to make is this, I wouldn't be concerned about that article period. There isn't that much racism in that country because you'll find black dark skinned or Haitian people whom are quote on quote being mistreated. That'll work in collaboration with Dominicans of any race in order to rob you of your money even if it's going to cost you your life and always remember that when you visit that country![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]in short don't worry about that article. Nor none of their social issues[/QUOTE]I do not understand the basis of experience that OP has in order make this statement. Is he giving his opinion or is he presenting it as a fact?

Because it is a very extensive article that details things that are actually happening on the ground in the Dominican Republic. Is the OP familiar with the legal structure that exits in the Dominican Republic regarding this issues covered by the article?

If his point is that it will not effect his mongering effort then I understand the perspective he is providing.

If Dominican people were so racists and hateful why in the hell will Haitians come to a country that hate them so much? Just because someone released an article dictating racism doesn't necessarily means it's true. It's almost virtually impossible to find an article on discrimination inside of Haiti which does exist I visited that country 16 years I was literally disgusted by the color caste system that exists in a country where literally you can spot a brown skin person a mile away! All I'm saying is this who cares Dominicans hate these folks, hell in their native country they hate each other. All I'm saying is this when you step outside any major town they will unite with Dominicans (the so called racists) to fuck you over only too teach you a lesson that they can. I'll be lying to you if I told you I never faced some form of discrimination in this country normally it goes like this if you're black or mulatoo people assume you have no money. And I get followed around in stores in the mall even on El Conde. But when they hear me speak English and here my NYC accent shit changes it's like almost everywhere in Latin America.

I know you're trying to bring awareness to there situation but trust me and a country has the right to enforce its immigration laws and define its right to citizenship.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2975404]I do not understand the basis of experience that OP has in order make this statement. Is he giving his opinion or is he presenting it as a fact?

Because it is a very extensive article that details things that are actually happening on the ground in the Dominican Republic. Is the OP familiar with the legal structure that exits in the Dominican Republic regarding this issues covered by the article?

If his point is that it will not effect his mongering effort then I understand the perspective he is providing.[/QUOTE]

Have you ever talked to a Haitian person that you were not paying to fuck?

I have. You see you have not LIVED in the Dominican Republic. So you are allowed your opinions. But not your own facts. I have talked to Haitan people all over the Dominican Republic. I have talked to Haitian students attending one of the top universities in Santo Domingo. And to person they say they would NOT be in the Dominican Republic if it was not for the opportunities present there compared to their own country.

Now I am not holding myself out as expert. Nor am I saying that my experiences invalidate yours. You are saying ignore the facts. I have pointed out the facts. It is really that simple. I stand on the post I made below:

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2975292][U]Actual Experiences[/U]

My experiences of actually living (10+ years) in the [U]Dominican Republic[/U] are not in alignment with the following statement:

I was shielded from the issues presented in the article mostly by the status of my citizenship. But that protection was also a double edged sword when it comes integrating into Dominican Society.

I can also tell you one story where I an my travel partner (a young smoking hot Dominican Citizen who is the same color as I am) were discriminated against in a popular Pizza restaurant in Jarabacoa. That sat us in a corner of the restaurant away from everyone else and they did not serve us. Everyone in the restaurant did not look like us. After we figured out what was happening to us my travel partner she was pissed. I calmed her down and suggested that we move onto another restaurant (as my experiences with that sort of situation in the United States of America served me well here). As we were leaving we both noted there was a side entrance where people who looked like us were picking up there meals to go (Jim Crow Style).

[B]My personal experiences do not invalidate the personal experiences of others[/B]

As for the status of Haitians in the Dominican Republic, I believe that individuals should do their homework and actually learn about the situation that exists on the ground there ([U]10 years of boots on the ground living there, remember[/U]) before speaking on the issue.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MwenByen;2976533]If Dominican people were so racists and hateful why in the hell will Haitians come to a country that hate them so much? Just because someone released an article dictating racism doesn't necessarily means it's true. It's almost virtually impossible to find an article on discrimination inside of Haiti which does exist I visited that country 16 years I was literally disgusted by the color caste system that exists in a country where literally you can spot a brown skin person a mile away! All I'm saying is this who cares Dominicans hate these folks, hell in their native country they hate each other. All I'm saying is this when you step outside any major town they will unite with Dominicans (the so called racists) to fuck you over only too teach you a lesson that they can. I'll be lying to you if I told you I never faced some form of discrimination in this country normally it goes like this if you're black or mulatoo people assume you have no money. And I get followed around in stores in the mall even on El Conde. But when they hear me speak English and here my NYC accent shit changes it's like almost everywhere in Latin America.

I know you're trying to bring awareness to there situation but trust me and a country has the right to enforce its immigration laws and define its right to citizenship.[/QUOTE]

The most amount of days I spent living in the Dominican Republic was 51. And yes I had conversations with plenty of Haitian people and Dominicans of Haitian descent whom wasn't prostitutes. The point I'm trying to make is this their claims of racism and discrimination should be overlooked. They have race problems in their own country and unfortunately it's almost virtually I'm possible to find this information on the internet because society more geared towards them being refugees and their plight for injustice in the DR. These people discriminate against there own kind based upon skin complexion, amount of whiteness you have in your blood and class. And let the truth be told a form of slavery is still practice in that country to this day and people whom are victims of the shit are generally looked down upon in Haitian society! While in the Dominican Republic I watch documentaries on Haitian people in particular children being trafficked to the DR to work almost slave like conditions on farms, to be beggars in the streets and right long prostitution and whom are going to Haiti to get such people? Haitians themselves! Hell if they were to seek treatment in clinics and hospitals even though they're undocumented there medical bills will be meager. If a guy like me or you was to go there our bills would be in the thousands! All there claims of being victims of racism should be thrown out of the window.

I was looking at TV while I was in Boston one day 2 years ago I saw Haitian Alliance community whining about they want be able to identify as Afro Haitian because they are a unique race of people. Which makes absolutely no sense because in Haiti they have over 30 words in there language to describe someone who is black with different skin tones and facial features that doesn't have European blood in them. And then there's the Mulatoo and Indigenous masses whom been there since colonization. And they all refer to Haitians as black who are not mixed with anything.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2976604]Have you ever talked to a Haitian person that you were not paying to fuck?

I have. You see you have not LIVED in the Dominican Republic. So you are allowed your opinions. But not your own facts. I have talked to Haitan people all over the Dominican Republic. I have talked to Haitian students attending one of the top universities in Santo Domingo. And to person they say they would NOT be in the Dominican Republic if it was not for the opportunities present there compared to their own country.

Now I am not holding myself out as expert. Nor am I saying that my experiences invalidate yours. You are saying ignore the facts. I have pointed out the facts. It is really that simple. I stand on the post I made below:[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981029]The most amount of days I spent living in the Dominican Republic was 51.[/QUOTE]Impressive. I lived in the Dominican Republic almost continually for 10+ years.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981029]And yes I had conversations with plenty of Haitian people and Dominicans of Haitian descent whom wasn't prostitutes. [b]The point I'm trying to make is this their claims of racism and discrimination should be overlooked[/b].[/QUOTE]I respect your opinion. But I disagree with it.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981029]They have race problems in their own country and unfortunately it's almost virtually I'm possible to find this information on the internet because society more geared towards them being refugees and their plight for injustice in the DR. These people discriminate against their own kind based upon skin complexion, amount of whiteness you have in your blood and class. And let the truth be told a form of slavery is still practice in that country to this day and people whom are victims of the shit are generally looked down upon in Haitian society! While in the Dominican Republic I watch documentaries on Haitian people in particular children being trafficked to the DR to work almost slave like conditions on farms, to be beggars in the streets and right long prostitution and whom are going to Haiti to get such people? Haitians themselves! Hell if they were to seek treatment in clinics and hospitals even though they're undocumented their medical bills will be meager. If a guy like me or you was to go there our bills would be in the thousands! All there claims of being victims of racism should be thrown out of the window.[/QUOTE]Same arguments can be made if you follow the history of Slavery in the United States of America. Slavers did not invade African Nations. [U]The Ship Captains[/U] showed up and bought slaves from the African Countries / Tribes that controlled the slave market.

My point remains that the discrimination in the [U]Dominican Republic[/U] against the people of [B]Haiti[/B] is real. I cannot do anything about it. I am not a citizen of the [U]Dominican Republic[/U]. I am not even here to say that the Dominican people do not have their reasons.

[B]Your time; Your money; Your dick; Your call![/B] If you want to turn your head or a blind eye to that discrimination it is your right. Just as it is my right to point out that it exists.

As a personal note to you: Don't get it twisted. [B]I'm not on the hook for anything on this earth except to provide for my children and pay my tax to the controlling legal authorities.[/B]. I am perfectly comfortable with this intellectual back and forth. But the bottom line remains you were in the [U]Dominican Republic[/U] as [B]International Trick[/B]. Something I have moved quite a distance from and I am happy I have done so. I have met some amazing [B]Haitian[/B] people in the [U]Dominican Republic[/U] with amazing skills. Skills that the Dominicans need in order to keep their country functioning and enjoying the relative luxuries that they do.

[B]Trick away my ISG brother. And may the pussy be with you, always![/B]

Only Americans have such shame in paying for sex, and I'm pretty sure you paid for sex decades in your life and nothing is wrong with doing that. You'll be surprised how some tourism sectors depend on sex tourists to come and spend money! And when these guys decide to dropout the game it hurt the local economies significantly! I can proudly say this, I paid for sex on every continent except South America and Antarctic I even did it in the South Pacific Islands. I'm currently in Madagascar doing this and after I'm done I plan on putting together a report. But going back to Dominican racism how can these so called victims of the system complain about these issues when they do it too there own kind in there homeland? They have several different racial groups in Haiti but as I stated before these so called victims marginalized there own people based upon skin complexion and facial features in a country that proudly abolished slavery before the Europeans did but in reality it never went away it just took on a different name. Most of the ones I met in the DR are not good people. It's just the fact you got money and that's the only reason they're being nice to you. They lie cheat and steal just like the Dominicans in the DR to the tourists. I know that the participate in the set up of robberies and burglaries also in the Dominican Republic. The argument can be said that Haitian and Dominicans are literally the same people with the same blood line but they were separated by different boarders and became one nation again and separated again. Many Haitians see Dominicans as a close relative and some Dominicans feel the same way. The world publishes numerous articles about how Haitians are mistreated in the Dominican Republic and I kid you not I witnessed with my own two eyes how Haitians mistreat their own kind in Haiti. However, these types of discussions are never mentioned by the media because it'll make their asylum claims less beneficial in the countries they emigrate too.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2981033]Impressive. I lived in the Dominican Republic almost continually for 10+ years.

I respect your opinion. But I disagree with it.

Same arguments can be made if you follow the history of Slavery in the United States of America. Slavers did not invade African Nations. [U]The Ship Captains[/U] showed up and bought slaves from the African Countries / Tribes that controlled the slave market.

My point remains that the discrimination in the [U]Dominican Republic[/U] against the people of [B]Haiti[/B] is real. I cannot do anything about it. I am not a citizen of the [U]Dominican Republic[/U]. I am not even here to say that the Dominican people do not have their reasons.

[B]Your time; Your money; Your dick; Your call![/B] If you want to turn your head or a blind eye to that discrimination it is your right. Just as it is my right to point out that it exists.

As a personal note to you: Don't get it twisted. [B]I'm not on the hook for anything on this earth except to provide for my children and pay my tax to the controlling legal authorities.[/B]. I am perfectly comfortable with this intellectual back and forth. But the bottom line remains you were in the [U]Dominican Republic[/U] as [B]International Trick[/B]. Something I have moved quite a distance from and I am happy I have done so. I have met some amazing [B]Haitian[/B] people in the [U]Dominican Republic[/U] with amazing skills. Skills that the Dominicans need in order to keep their country functioning and enjoying the relative luxuries that they do.

[B]Trick away my ISG brother. And may the pussy be with you, always![/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981072]But going back to Dominican racism how can these so called victims of the system complain about these issues when they do it too there own kind in there homeland?[/QUOTE]I see your point. But what does that have to do with the price of cerdo (pork) in the Dominican Republic? You keep referencing Haiti. They the Dominican Republic and Haiti are two different countries and governments.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981072]They have several different racial groups in Haiti but as I stated before these so called victims marginalized there own people based upon skin complexion and facial features in a country that proudly abolished slavery before the Europeans did but in reality it never went away it just took on a different name.[/QUOTE]Once again, another one of your opinions and you are referencing what is going on in Haiti and comparing it to the Dominican Republic. Canada has a history of slavery. Yet, there is a racist from Canada that posts on the Dominican Republic Threads and the Thailand Threads on a regular basis. Has nothing to do with the Dominican Republic. He dragged his Ship Captain ideas down here with him.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981072]Most of the ones I met in the DR are not good people. It's just the fact you got money and that's the only reason they're being nice to you. They lie cheat and steal just like the Dominicans in the DR to the tourists. I know that the participate in the set up of robberies and burglaries also in the Dominican Republic.[/QUOTE]Maybe you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself about the kind of company that you keep. The Haitians I have dealt with had jobs. The went to the top tier university in Santo Domingo (AS I DID). They spoke multiple languages. One was a university trained account the other was a engineer.

So while you are talking all that dumb shit that is unrelated to anything let me throw something out there about the character of Haitians:

[B]Tijuanas Haitian immigrants seen as a model for other newcomers[/B]

[URL]https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-haitians-tijuana-mexico-20181208-story.html[/URL]

This idea that you are proffering that all Haitians are of bad character says more about YOUR character and is some [B]pure unadulterated male bovine excrement![/B]!

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981072]The argument can be said that Haitian and Dominicans are literally the same people with the same blood line but they were separated by different boarders and became one nation again and separated again. [/QUOTE]Then why all the discrimination? You do acknowledge that it occurs. Or cannot your not see that with your [I]own two eyes[/I].

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981072]Many Haitians see Dominicans as a close relative and some Dominicans feel the same way. The world publishes numerous articles about how Haitians are mistreated in the Dominican Republic and I kid you not I witnessed with my own two eyes how Haitians mistreat their own kind in Haiti.[/QUOTE]I kid you not, I have witnesses with my own two eyes how Dominicans mistreat Haitians in the Dominican Republic. I have listen with my own two ears the ranting about how the individuals Dominicans hate Haitians being in their country.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981072]However, these types of discussions are never mentioned by the media because it'll make their asylum claims less beneficial in the countries they emigrate too.[/QUOTE]Help me out again. Didn't this discussion between use start about discrimination against the Haitians in the Dominican Republic. For me the discussion remains about discrimination against Haitians in the Dominican Republic. But you feel the need to head off on tangents about what is happening in Haiti right now.

I am a political refugee from the United States of America. They have uniformed government officers that act as death squads called [B]POLICE[/B]. They roam the country with orders to kill those who look like me on sight. I am thankful that the Dominican Republic provided me with asylum from certain death. These types of discussions are never published by the media because it would make the USGOV look like the complete hypocrites they are.

Haiti sucks and guess what does so called great folks are not there to improve the overall well being in there nation. You implies that they went to top notch universities in DR and had great jobs that literally nullifies the idea that Dominicans are so racists that they are trying to destroy their very existence! Correct me if I'm wrong the LA Times is nothing more than just some left leaning woke newspaper that's pro whatever the Democrats support. And however, there's several stories coming out of Mexico were Haitian migrants was getting involved in organized crime selling drugs and pimping women in cartel territory also. Unfortunately many of them emigrate to countries and do just that. The Bahamas is flooded with Haitians committing crimes and so is Puerto Rico and these stories don't get covered by the media because they want some sympathy for them to be able to relocate. You're right the topic did initially began as a subject about racism in DR as I stated before those people are very racists towards one another based upon skin tone, facial features and I'm not talking about the ones who identifies as white Or Mulatoo I'm talking about the black ones. What's the point proving Dominicans hate them when they hate themselves that was all I'm trying to make. The media published all this crap about Dominican racism abd it's virtually impossible to find one Haitian self hate! Those people don't give a damn about black unity or you empathize with them. They only care about getting some money out of you and the same goes for anywhere in Latin America or the Caribbean islands. It's a culture of greed my guy and I do not have hate for Haitian people but I do watch my wallet when I'm around those people it's not like they're angels you know.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2981101]I see your point. But what does that have to do with the price of cerdo (pork) in the Dominican Republic? You keep referencing Haiti. They the Dominican Republic and Haiti are two different countries and governments.

Once again, another one of your opinions and you are referencing what is going on in Haiti and comparing it to the Dominican Republic. Canada has a history of slavery. Yet, there is a racist from Canada that posts on the Dominican Republic Threads and the Thailand Threads on a regular basis. Has nothing to do with the Dominican Republic. He dragged his Ship Captain ideas down here with him.

Maybe you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself about the kind of company that you keep. The Haitians I have dealt with had jobs. The went to the top tier university in Santo Domingo (AS I DID). They spoke multiple languages. One was a university trained account the other was a engineer.

So while you are talking all that dumb shit that is unrelated to anything let me throw something out there about the character of Haitians:

[B]Tijuanas Haitian immigrants seen as a model for other newcomers[/B]

[URL]https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-haitians-tijuana-mexico-20181208-story.html[/URL]

This idea that you are proffering that all Haitians are of bad character says more about YOUR character and is some [B]pure unadulterated male bovine excrement![/B]!

Then why all the discrimination? You do acknowledge that it occurs. Or cannot your not see that with your [I]own two eyes[/I].

I kid you not, I have witnesses with my own two eyes how Dominicans mistreat Haitians in the Dominican Republic. I have listen with my own two ears the ranting about how the individuals Dominicans hate Haitians being in their country.

Help me out again. Didn't this discussion between use start about discrimination against the Haitians in the Dominican Republic. For me the discussion remains about discrimination against Haitians in the Dominican Republic. But you feel the need to head off on tangents about what is happening in Haiti right now.

I am a political refugee from the United States of America. They have uniformed government officers that act as death squads called [B]POLICE[/B]. They roam the country with orders to kill those who look like me on sight. I am thankful that the Dominican Republic provided me with asylum from certain death. These types of discussions are never published by the media because it would make the USGOV look like the complete hypocrites they are.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981508]Haiti sucks and guess what does so called great folks are not there to improve the overall well being in their nation. You implies that they went to top notch universities in DR and had great jobs that literally nullifies the idea that Dominicans are so racists that they are trying to destroy their very existence! Correct me if I'm wrong the LA Times is nothing more than just some left leaning woke newspaper that's pro whatever the Democrats support. And however, there's several stories coming out of Mexico were Haitian migrants was getting involved in organized crime selling drugs and pimping women in cartel territory also. Unfortunately many of them emigrate to countries and do just that. The Bahamas is flooded with Haitians committing crimes and so is Puerto Rico and these stories don't get covered by the media because they want some sympathy for them to be able to relocate. You're right the topic did initially began as a subject about racism in DR as I stated before those people are very racists towards one another based upon skin tone, facial features and I'm not talking about the ones who identifies as white Or Mulatoo I'm talking about the black ones. What's the point proving Dominicans hate them when they hate themselves that was all I'm trying to make. The media published all this crap about Dominican racism abd it's virtually impossible to find one Haitian self hate! Those people don't give a damn about black unity or you empathize with them. They only care about getting some money out of you and the same goes for anywhere in Latin America or the Caribbean islands. It's a culture of greed my guy and I do not have hate for Haitian people but I do watch my wallet when I'm around those people it's not like they're angels you know.[/QUOTE][B]If they are facts, quote the source documents[/B] Otherwise the post above is composed simply of more of your opinions that you are proffering as facts. You have the right to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Your opinions do not nullify my actual experiences living in the Dominican Republic for 10 plus years.

Hey smart guy how about doing a little bit of research this information is out there in the open except the internal racism and prejudice that exists in Haiti.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2981540][B]If they are facts, quote the source documents[/B] Otherwise the post above is composed simply of more of your opinions that you are proffering as facts. You have the right to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Your opinions do not nullify my actual experiences living in the Dominican Republic for 10 plus years.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981787]Hey smart guy how about doing a little bit of research this information is out there in the open except the internal racism and prejudice that exists in Haiti.[/QUOTE]I understand that you think you are a Super Genius (and you might be because I do not know your real intellectual capacity). The original subject that you responded to was an article I posted about discrimination against Haitians in the [U]Dominican Republic[/U].

[B]FULL STOP![/B]

If you would like to start another thread about an another subject the burden of proof is on you as the plaintiff. I am not going to do your intellectually heavy lifting for you bro. Please head over the the Haiti country forum and update us with your extensive knowledge of Haiti. I hope you spent more than 51 days there. But even if you have spent just one day there compared to me, then you have spent more time there than I have and I defer to your extensive knowledge of all things Haitian in Haiti.

[B]The Defense Rests![/B]

[B]The number of alleged human rights violations is surging as officials ramp up deportations to Haiti, which shares the island of Hispaniola with the Dominican Republic.[/B]

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/haitian-migrants-dominican-republic-abuse-allegations-rcna191639[/URL]

Interested to know the opinions of others about the validity of this news report from those that actually living in the Dominican Republic currently. Now I am not making a political statement here. I am from a country where a unelected individual that has a background from one of the most racist regimes that has ever existed on this earth now running my country through proxy. Same sort of mass deportation are on going. Human rights violation have been occurring against my people in my country of origin ever sene the police were given a badge.

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/amp/news?id=239526&title=dominican-republic-fails-to-maintain-tourism-record-arrivals-fall-almost-10-in-february[/URL]

I think it's much downer than mentioned.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;2996418][URL]https://dominicantoday.com/amp/news?id=239526&title=dominican-republic-fails-to-maintain-tourism-record-arrivals-fall-almost-10-in-february[/URL]

I think it's much downer than mentioned.[/QUOTE]I don't have a point of reference. But the numbers are not lying. They are official and being presented in the best light possible. The real question is why is Tourism down?

According to Oakie, there are still many happy mongers visiting the open air brothel known as Sosua (they just are not writing about it on ISG). Maybe they decided to goto Thailand where there is better infrastructure, rule of law, international cuisine available and 6 other countries your can visit within a direct 1 - 5 hour flight.

[B]ROTFLMAO![/B]

[I]During the US Senate confirmation hearing, US ambassador nominee to the Dominican Republic, Leah Francis Campos spoke of how counteracting the growing influence of China in the Dominican Republic would be a priority of her administration. . I will work tirelessly to counter the Chinese Communist Partys influence in the Dominican Republic and throughout the hemisphere, she said during the confirmation hearing.

She spoke of what she described as the robust, dynamic relationship between the two countries. More than two million Americans of Dominican heritage reside in the US, five million US tourists visit the DR every year. The US enjoys a more than US$5.5 billion trade surplus with the DR with more than US$30 billion in bilateral trade. These connections provide a strong foundation for collaboration on key issues that impact both of our nations, she said.

She also said that among her top priorities, if confirmed, will be to work closely with the Dominican government to enhance border security and curb illegal immigration to the US while stepping up the work we already do together to disrupt the operations of drug cartels and transnational criminal organizations.

"The DR and US already have a strong relationship, and we havent had an ambassador for more than four years. I hope to reinvigorate and strengthen relationship," she said. She mentioned combatting drug trafficking as another priority.

She addressed the challenge of Haiti and her priority to work for what she called creating a positive chapter for Haiti. She said she would work closely with the US mission in Port-au-Prince to find solutions to stabilize the situation in Haiti is troubling at best.

She also said another priority once confirmed will be working on the agenda of the Summit of the Americas scheduled for early December 2025 in Punta Cana, Dominican Republic. If confirmed, it will be a top priority to align with the interests of the US and interests in keeping the region stable, secure democratic, combatting criminality in the region, a key issue in the region and at the summit, she said during the confirmation hearing.

The Dominican Republic is under plenty of international pressure to become more of the solution to Haiti. Yet, given the high cost in taxpayer money and sovereignty, the DR is reverting from this trend acknowledging the reality that international forces have been doing less and less to find a Haitian solution to the Haitian crisis.

Given the lack of international actions, the DR has enforced border security, and has begun to crack down on people and goods smuggling mafias that profit from the crisis in Haiti. Moreso, for the first time in decades, the DR is taking actions to send the message the DR cannot be the main provider of the social services education and hospital services for the population in Haiti.

The border security and social services come at a very high cost to the Dominican Republic. Recently, the Dominican government spent RD$500 million to purchase air-conditioned buses to transport deported Haitians to Haiti. The DR shares a 391 km border of which there is only a concrete fence at 50 km of the border. Foreign Minister Roberto Alvarez calls the border a revolving door.

In recent developments of US and DR relations, President Donald Trump and President Luis Abinader spoke briefly when they both coincided in the Vatican See for the funeral ceremonies of Pope Francis. Likewise, last week US Secretary of State Marco Rubio called President Luis Abinader to reaffirm US collaboration to the DR in the key issue of irregular immigration.

Last week, the Dominican Migration Agency cracked down on Chinese stores and detained dozens of undocumented Haitian workers irregularly employed by the large stores. Chinese investment has opened hundreds of stores, including megastores, to sell Chinese goods. Established businesses have protested the privileged import regimes that have enabled the entry of Chinese goods, as well as the lax tax and labor inspections on these businesses.

The appointment of Leah Campos coincides with the naming of Maria Isabel Castillo Baez as Dominican ambassador in Washington, DC. She is taking office this May. Previously, she was the Dominican ambassador in Mexico.[/I]

[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/tourism/2025/07/08/dominican-republic-surpasses-6-million-visitors-in-first-half-of-the-year/[/URL]

This article got to fake, I've been to this country 6 times this year. Each time its dead at the airport. Zona Colonial looks like a ghost town. Bavaro was very disappointing I'm trying to figure out where are these people going to visit because it show in the hell ain't Sousa.

[QUOTE=MwenByen;3015058][URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/tourism/2025/07/08/dominican-republic-surpasses-6-million-visitors-in-first-half-of-the-year/[/URL]

This article got to fake, I've been to this country 6 times this year. Each time its dead at the airport. Zona Colonial looks like a ghost town. Bavaro was very disappointing I'm trying to figure out where are these people going to visit because it show in the hell ain't Sousa.[/QUOTE]It did not say Sosua or Zona Colonial. It said the Dominican Republic. Both Santo Domingo and Punta Cana airports are constantly busy. People are staying on resorts and the people from there who are coming home to visit are staying with family. What was disappointing about Bavaro? I find it to be one of the best beaches in the world.

Sorry I was looking for pussy I hope this help.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3015134]It did not say Sosua or Zona Colonial. It said the Dominican Republic. Both Santo Domingo and Punta Cana airports are constantly busy. People are staying on resorts and the people from there who are coming home to visit are staying with family. What was disappointing about Bavaro? I find it to be one of the best beaches in the world.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MwenByen;3017726]Sorry I was looking for pussy I hope this help.[/QUOTE]Not at all. What does you looking for pussy have to do with you posting an article on tourism numbers that you believe is fake? That is like you saying you don't believe the dishes are clean, then when someone shows you the dishes are actually clean you saying but I want to go to the beach. You are being incoherent; one has nothing to do with the other.

The article claims an uptick in tourism in the country but the said names mentioned in the original posting. It looked deserted compared to how things used to be. At least from my prior visits. So that's why I mentioned that beach was disappointing. I'm starting to think the tourists are visiting the hood.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3017786]Not at all. What does you looking for pussy have to do with you posting an article on tourism numbers that you believe is fake? That is like you saying you don't believe the dishes are clean, then when someone shows you the dishes are actually clean you saying but I want to go to the beach. You are being incoherent; one has nothing to do with the other.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MwenByen;3017943]The article claims an uptick in tourism in the country but the said names mentioned in the original posting. It looked deserted compared to how things used to be. At least from my prior visits. So that's why I mentioned that beach was disappointing. I'm starting to think the tourists are visiting the hood.[/QUOTE]I said it in the first post. They are on the resorts! It is not deserted. Maybe you were there at noon but the crowd came out at 1 pm. Just because you did not see it one particular time does not mean it does not exist.