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hi there!!

Ive been arround in some countries in EE and latin america. (DR,Peru)Colombia however I never was.
The last few years I only hear bad things from there: Kidnappings,bombs exploding,people get killed aLL THE TIME,mayor drugs wars and more of that shit. Just the other day a fellow countrymen of mine was released after 8 (!) months of hostage...and he was just a normal biologist-student who studied tropical birds in Colombia...(yes..I do mean REAL birds you guys lol). His family had to pay € 20.000,- for his release. (which was cheap as I met to understand)

My question is to you experienced mongers out there who travel on a regurlar basis to Col.
1) What cities are SAVE???
2) What is it with those 'marriage agencies"....are they thrustworthy??? Or are they scam-stuff??Does anyone has experience with some of those???
3) What about the women...I mean in every country there is good and bad,but I heard mainly in CALI are many PLAYER-women...IS THIS TRUE????
4) is it recommend to get a life-partner out of colombia??? Pleaseremember I am NOT an US citizen (I am DUTCH from Europe). Are they willing to ADAPT in a North-west European climate...that is :Much rain,wind and sometimes low temperatures in winter??

5) offcourse...the *****monger in me also wants to ghet some "action" as well....so WHAT cities are good to pick up PRO's and Amateur girls??? Barranquila?? Cartagena?? Bogota???

I know that in sucvh countries it is important to stay LOW PROFILE and speak some spanish (which I do).
I am NOT a snob nore very keen on XXXXX LUX hotels which costs a small fortune. As long my sheets are changed daily,clean bathroom and a decent bed I am OK. (don't need cable TV)
perferable GF-Friendly hotels.

I will travel in February/March next year. Possiible alone,but could be with somebody else.

One thing Is 200% SURE for me....IN COLOMBIA THEY HAVE THE FINEST AND PRETTIEST GIRLS OF THE WORLD!!!!;-)
So basicaly I am looking for a life partner....but a bit "fun" on the side is welcome;-)

Please more info.
Thanks in advance.

Johan.

I'm and American (and look it!), speak Spanish OK and been down to Colombia ten times in the last fifteen years. The women there are terrific but honestly the situation there is very unstable at the moment. Even I have doubts about going down now.

The countryside is very VERY dangerous - car jacking, kidnapping, robbery, murders. It's not a joke. There is a civil war going on. Except for Bogota I haven't had any problems in the cities (knock on wood) - Cali, Santa Marta, Cartagena, Barranquilla, Medillin - but now I'm not so sure. I suggest you consider other destinations.

If you are only interested in the hobby a good many Colombian pros are working outside the country, particularly in Costa Rica, Panama, and lately in Buenos Airies.

thanks Jamesbond!!

lately I am emailing with this great Colombianita!!
She lives 150 Km's south of Cartagena....nearby the panamian border.

what do you think is the change that I could meet her in Panama????
I mean I hear everywere pretty scarey stuff about Colombia....:-(

I am 35....and she is too. (she is pretty and doesn't look like 35)Is it true that most women in Col. at that age who never were married (no kids) were too demanding for the local guys???
Maybe I should think about another younger colombianita.....huh??
I mean a Girl of 26-28 isn't too old for me....LOL

your advise would be welcome and appreciated.

Johan.

NIbu,

try this

http://www.supermodelfever.com/gallery/Sofia_Vergara/

and if you are still horny after that...go to www.google.com
type in her name...and BINGO!!!!

have fun.

Johan.

Hi Johan,

I am also planning a trip to Colombia around Feb. time...I have been on other boards where it has been suggested that I visit Bogota first because of the higher quality of girls....but Cali has got the hottest. Amsterdam was the first place I went mongering back in 2000. Your lucky you have access to that because dutch women are hot and love to fuck. Anyways I speak fluent Spanish and I think I will be able to blend in very well in Colombia. Send me an e-mail if you think you might want coordinate something.....I still don't know if I want to go to Cali, Bogota, or Medellin.

NIbu,

I am definately going for COLOMBIA in february 2003.
Were,what and how I don't know. Fact is that I want to see Cartagena AND fucking worldcapital of prettiest puzz CALI!!
I hear when coming in with Avianca you van get 3 stopovers extra for about 180 $....so that is a good bargain I guess.
BQ the ho's are more expensive I hear from the CO board.
Got to get some CO puzz.......they are so damn hot......:-)
I will probably stay 12-18 days (it depends).

yeah nibu....don't waiste your $$$ on cheeky,fat assed overpriced and overrated US ho's:-(


Nibu....found some real sleasy hotels in Cartagena for 5 $ per night!!!!!!:-) I bet they are GF-Friendly overthere;-) If they don't have "cucaracha's" I'll bring em in myself.....LOL.This time I will make full pics.....and put it on this website and on EEWL aswell.

Johan.

PS: I dumped my colombiana....she was getting smart with me...and she is 36 yo!!!! so SCREW HER MAN!! don't like that snobby shitty attitude at women. That is why I am AVOIDING BOGOTA!!!!;-) Too many snobs there:-(

>Nibu....found some real sleasy hotels in Cartagena for 5 $ per night!!!!!!:-)

Cartagena is the only city in Colombia that is relatively safe and you can get a el cheapo hotel/hostel on calle media luna for five bucks or even less.

The native chicas aren't on a level as Cali or Medillin IMHO but there are many chicas from those cities that come there to work the few tourists - mostly domestic - that are still coming to Cartagena, so you can find a 7 or 8 at the clubs in Bocagrande like Escorilla and the old city.

As for the highway from Cartagena to Barranquilla. If you take the bus during the day it should not be much of a problem.

At night the highway is controlled by the ELA guerillas, and you will probalby not make it to your destination, particularly if you are a foreigner. Stats: 3,500 kidnappings a year, three hundred of whom are foreigners...if there were more foreigners it would be far higher...Americans particularly are targeted.

It's a war zone. If you want an adventure and have a death wish - and I think you do - you'll get what you want on going from Cartagnea to Barranquilla at night.

Guys,

what is the age of legality in Colombia???

I mean at WHAT age you can fuck a girl without getting problems with the cops???
Sure those latinas do look very mature at a young age.
Some guy told me 14;but I don't believe that.!

Like I said in the Romania posting; if she looks good (and likes me) and mature and is 16 I will do her!!;-)

16??? 18??? what says the experts here?

Johan.

Johan

15 for a non-pro, 18 for a pro.

LatinTraveller

latintraveller,
now that seems a bit we call hypocryte overhere!!!i mean the law in colombia regarding this matter.

so i can do a realy nice young girl which is 15 (!!!)...and if she is a real ho she has to be 18???

what;s the use in that??
besides that for many gringos it would even hard to tell what is a real ho and what is a gf-e.....lol!!!;-)
better ask their id first;-)

so if she asks money for sex...she is a ho. if she is asking money for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] for her kid or a new pair of jeans she is a "gf-e"....lol!!
here it is simple...all (non-forced offcourse) sex is allowed if she is 16 or over. from 12 untill 16 (crazy law i admit,but that's the way it is here in nl) she needs the permission of the parents.
some political parties even want to reduce that age to 14 but i think that is too young!!

beats me!

thanks anyway.

johan.

Speaking of the legal age, I'd appreciate it if some one with some real legal knowledge could clarify this point for me: supposing the legal age of consent in Colombia is 15, and an American citizen go there and have sex with a 15 year old- can that person be exposing themselves to risk of legal consequences here in the U.S.? How does that work? I mean can an American do any activities in a foreign country as long as it's legal there -even though that same acitivity is clearly illegal in the U.S.?
Any attorneys in the house to take this question? Thanks. J.G.

JG

even if that is illegal in the US....WHO has to press the charges????

I mean when you DO NOT make these activities wordly known in your local paper or elsewere..WHO WILL KNOW???
I would never give my real adress/other info to a HO!!!!;-)

The ho's in Colombia that are 15\16 sure don't do this....they are just there for the bucks;-)

Just maybe you COULD get into trouble if some mean soab (a pimp??)wants to blackmail you IN Colombia;-)
But then again that is higly speculative.

I just would stick to 18 year olds...and now and then fuck a 16/17 yo.
I would stay away from anything younger as 16.....;-)

my two € cents;-)

Johan.

Johan:
I understand what you're saying, but let's take a hypothetical case when an American has sex with a 16 year old in Colombia or Honduras, and takes some pictures/videos for his own personal use. Accidentally, these pictures are discovered(for instance in a customs search, or his disgruntled girl friend discovers them, etc). Can that expose him to legal trouble in U.S.? I am just curious what the letter of law is on this issue.
But I do agree with you that the best policy would be to just stick with the 18 and above population! J.G.

jg, at least in the us, you can be charged with **** sex[under 18], even if you are out of the us when the event happens, as us law follows its citizens over seas. this would apply, even if you were legal in the country where it happened. i don't agree with this, but it is what it is. i agree that it would be hard to catch, and even harder to prosecute but........ take a look at some of the sea forums, especially cambodia, where some guys have been prosecuted in their home countries because of stings promulgated by womans groups. we can't even get away from these attitudes outside the us now! have fun, but be cautious. thor

JG,

Now...fuking a 16 yo girl is ONE thing...taking pics/vids of her is another!!!
That is EVIDENCE!
So if you should do that and not make pics and don't tell anyone I do not see HOW they can sew your ass in the US?????
And WHO can tell from a pic if a girl is 16 or 18??? Can you???
I sure can't.

take care.

Johan.

Thor
Thanks. You gave me the info/answer that I needed. Thanks again. J.G.

JG, glad I could help. Looking forward to you FR's in Honduras. It's on my to do list. thor

Guys,

which city is BEST for whoring arround????
I go to Cali...and maybe cartagena.

I love SLEAZY YOUNG SLUTS!!! (16-22). In my country we don't have such a stupid law as in the uSA. Here 16 years is legal;so if I meet a horny goodlooking 16 yo ****....she is MINE!!!!

BUT I have to be very carefull as I know that IF my (future) novia finds out about my hookering hobby she'll DUMP me faster then I can say Mississippi!

I also like to try Bogota,but from this board I learn there is not much real action. It's overrated,overpriced and dangerous too!(did you guys hear of thet "knock-out" powder some Colombian ho's use to rob Johns????)

btw If any of you Guys are trying the "agency" route to find a decent wife: 95% of those are NOT legit and ONLY after your money.
So far only 4(!) from 14 Agencies ansered my emails. And from that 4 there are 3 not sure.

I think I can find a girl in Cali myself.
I will try to report to this board (and eewl) every third day or so...if I get the time;-)

Keep Fucking!!

Johan.

To monkey(a.k.a loser Raphael):
While I am in Honduras, if I run across any motels with 3$/night specials, I'll be sure to let you know when I get back. And you prefer those motels with no running water, right? I know your e-mail already, wipeass@yahoo.com, no? J.G.

So has anyone here ever been to Pereira?
I hear that there are a lot of hot chicks there,
but since it's so far from any of the big cities, I'm not sure if I should try it.
Thanks for any info.

Sorry, but I've never been to Pereira, Manizales, or Bucaranmanga so I can't help you guys there...

Hi Guys

I intend to travel from Venezuela to Colombia on the bus from Maracalbo to Santa Marta. Apparently there are two bus companies running this road , both aircon, starting off early morning. The trip is around 6 and half hours. My info comes from the Lonely Planet guide. As far as security goes , is this road pretty hot or is most rebel action further down south?

I would fly, but it seems a pain in the ass when I can do the same trip for 20 dollars rather than having to book airlines etc etc.

thanks

KnifeFish.

Knifefish...

I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE you to think twice before bussing ANYWHERE in Colombia at this time. Most of the guerrilla action is further south, however, there has been more and more problems lately in that area.

Do yourself a favor, pay the extra cash, and go through the extra hassle by taking a plane.

Knifefish.

Zippy is correct!!!!

Do NOT travel by land in Colombia,how short the distance may seem.
Farc warfare is spreading even into the cities right now!! Even Bogota got hit by several terroristic attacks the last few weeks.medellin allready is a total warzone!! Not to mention the areas surrounding Cali!!

Still Cartagena seems (together with the San andres isles) the only place that is free from Frac scum......for howlong???

Johan.

Still Cartagena seems (together with the San andres isles) the only place that is free from Frac scum......for howlong???

Johan. [/i][/QUOTE]


I would say forever, as Cartagena is where the FARC have their vacation homes and they are very posh. They don't want to jeopardize their real estate investments...

BUT....with refugees flooding into Cartagena from the countryside there is plenty of petty street crimes, so even there you have to be careful although it's no where as dangerous as other large Colombia cities.

Thanks for the feedback guys. I intend to hit Cuba during my trip and will fly there via CCS. I think that while I'm in Venezuela , I'll go as far as Maracalbo and see what Colombianas are around there. I only have time to hit Santa Marta for a few days, thats why I wanted to avoid flying. Will report back on what I find.

thanks

Knifefish

The northern parts of both Venezuela and Colombia are full of ELN and AUC paramilitaries. You can fly from both Caracas and Maricaibo to Santa Marta. It´s quick (30 minutes), safe and relatively inexpensive (US$35).

Cities in both Colombia and Venezuela are relatively safe but travel between cities for a foreigner is only really possible by air.

Why risk your life for a few bucks?

Take care

Latintraveller

>Cities in both Colombia and Venezuela are relatively safe but travel between cities for a foreigner is only really possible by air.

Why risk your life for a few bucks?

Take care

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I disagree. I would say - and I've been going down to Colombia for over ten years but not now for the moment - except for Cartagena and Santa Marta the cities are not safe for Americans. And no one - even Colombians - feel safe traveling the highways between the major cities at night. During the day in a bus the chances are less but they do exist.

Let's get real mongers....Colombia right now is in the middle of a ferocious civil war. There are more displaced people in Colombia moving from the countryside to the city - estimates range at over a million - then in Kosovo at the height of the NATO bombing.

That said the people are great and the chicas warm hearted and beautfiful. It's a real tragedy what is going on right now.

Jamesbond69

you are absolutely correct upon the current state of Colombia!!!

That's one of the reasons why we (my German friend and I) NOT to go to Colombia in February!!!!
It's just too dangerous out there.
Despite what some guys are telling me on several boards and lists;-)
It isn't worth the hassle.....there are many more places with pretty women in SA then "just" Colombia!!
Bolivia,Costa Rica,Peru,Brasil,Uruguay and Argentina just to name a few.

IMHO I think cities as Cali (were probably the most marriage-agencies are from all SA Cities!!) tehre are just too many players (women who look for "free rides") and too much competition (many US males there) for us Europeans.

I think other countries have better conditions at this moment.

Johan.

Nibu

Believe it or not it the immigration authorities in Colombia are very difficult. Very surprising considering no one wants to go there.

US citizens can enter and receive a 60-day tourist visa at the point of entry. This can be extended twice for a further 30 days each time.

The maximum stay on a tourist visa is 120 days in any year (not calandar year).

Take care

LatinTraveller

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LatinTraveller
[i]Nibu

The maximum stay on a tourist visa is 120 days in any year (not calandar year).

LatinTraveller [/i][/QUOTE]

120 days in Colombia is a long time, it's like almost half a year. The truth is that no Americans wants to go to Colombia because it's not cool right now. So 120 days is enough. I was in Colombia when Patrana was prez and before (six visits) and it wasn't so dangerous and stayed more than 60 days. I got an extension really easiiy at the DOS HXQ in Bogota and probably could have extended my visa at no cost for life if I wanted.

The problem in Colombia is not overstaying your visa, but figuring out the places to go where you won't have any problems, like Cartagena (relatively safe) and maybe a few other places if you are cool, speak Spanish and don't stand out as a gringo.

In short, Colombia has truly great chicas but right now it's NOT where you should be practicing the hobby. Like Cuba it has great potential but not worth the hassle.

Nibu...now I know where you get some of your freaky ideas on the world...must be this Icky bastard. Just don't believe everything you read...isn't that HIS motto?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nibu Raphael
[i]Check out the dec. 11 headlines of www.davidicke.com some damn interesting stuff on Columbia and the number 1 Latin Nation pissed off at The Us: Argentina, Check it out,NIBU R... [/i][/QUOTE]

Nibu

I went to this site and didn't see anything about Colombia or Argentina. It was a site where someone was trying to sell a book about 9/11, suggesting it was some sort of conspiracy involving the CIA or something.

I live in NYC, a few blocks from the World Trade Center, saw both the first and second plane hit, and this idea of a JFK conspiracy theory seems totally alien to me, like the net reports that all the jews in NYC were told not to go to work at the World Trade Center that day. The fact is that I knew many jews that did go to work and were killed in the attack.

Guys,

IMHO most americans (and many Europeans aswell)fool themselves as they think Argie girls REALY like em....it's ONLY the $$$ guys.
Come on!! Everybody with some common sens knows that Argentinians always are stock up people. They realy like Spain and Italy as many Argies come from those countries.
They intens hate US culture and lifestyle.

I for my part should ONLY go to Argieland for a fuck & a suck....nothing more notjing less.
Pretty women...true...but not suitleble for life in the US or even most Northern European countires.
Unless your last name is 'Van Oranje" and are the Crownprince of The Netherlands;-)

My guess to find better wife material would be: Brasil (huge numbers and broad range of looks and relatively safe and cheap),Peru and maybe (if you realy like traditional girls) Central America Except Costa Rica...;-)

regards,

Johan.

anyone know of them marrige agencies in columbia... what there about and how it works.. please post or e-mail: trojanman8IIIIID@hotmail.com

see you in the trenches
trojanman

hey guys I would like to get a apt for a week in cartegena and plan on dipping my transfer plane from bogata on feb 25 so hows the weather in colo oh yeah whats the flight time bog---to cart

Viagringo.......
50 minutes from Bogota to Cartagena. The weather will be hot, humid and very windy, not the best time of the year to be on the coast. I'm not aware of weekly apartment rentals that I'd go anywhere near.

hi Trojanman,

this MIGHT be a usefull link;it's a latin board.

http://planet-love.com/wwwboard/latin/

BUT (there's always a but...) do NOT mention anything about your hobby or *****mongering in general. THEY (the moderator there "patrick",and some other ladidadida assholes) will CRUCIFY you!!!!:-( Besides that "Patrick" himself is an agencie-owner...so you might ask yourself about the legitemy of that forum full of asskissers to the moderator:-(
From what I know (and I have been looking for a colombiana also for nearly one year) the situation right NOW is NOT too good.
Some cities are MERE warzones.(despite what some guys want to tell you). Medellin is RIGHT OFF anyway. Cali is getting more and more dangerous. Even Bogota and Cartagena are no longer "guerilla" free-zones:-(
IF you do NOT speak GOOD spanish and have NO clue what colombia is about: STAY AWAY!!!!

Don't make the mistake which some of those guys there did) to fall in love with "eye-candy";-) Wadde ye want....the guy is 45 and the girl is 23...that's just asking for it....! Don't believe all that crap about agedifferences from 15-20 or more years. It's BULLSHIT! I should stick to 10-15 years at the most....more is just pushing the envelope here.

Some guys are just there to Flame others. From some you CAN get usefull information. Some of them are just *****mongers like ourselves but are afraid to admit it......!!
However they also have an extended list with agencies.
BE CAREFULL as most of those *&^%(bags just try to RIP you off your $$$$,€€€ or whatever money you use. Most women are seldomly screened regarding their past/background:-(

The agencies who ONLY just sell adresses are for 98% fakes. Most adresses are false,not valid anymore or simply just made up!!
besides that in some cities (especialy CALI!!) many goodlooking younger girls (-28) are just PLAYERS who are in for free rides from Gringos;-)
Untill you are away she "loves" you and wants to marry you. The day after you fly back home she's probably "in love" with another gringo......;-)In BOgota you'll find your highly educated sofisticated latina. Which means: housemaids 5 x a week....beauty parlors 2 X a week....party-ing x time a week....shopping in expensive clothing shops x times a month (from your $$$ ofcourse) All these things MIGHT just be afordable for a middle class latin family in Colombia.....BUT back home (in USA or Europe) those things are WAYYYYY out of reach (too expensive)for most guys!!

Most of these girls know DAMN well what they want....and it isn't mister "average" who makes a normal wages!!! Trust me...in the end it all comes down on HOW MUCH YOU MAKE and WHAT STATUS you have (desk job...nice house...nice car..etc.etc.).
From all SA women I know...Colombians are the prettiest...but aLSO the most demanding ones....!!As soon as you start bringing up subjects like "working"....pre-nup"....or something like that,be ready to get some serous backfire from most of those women:-(

If you realy want to "walk this path" you'll need: patience,money,luck and a huge amount of knowledge of human caracter (and knowing yourself).
Some guys that I personaly know of went down there a zillion times over 5-8 years,spend thousands of $$$$ and are STILL empty handed!!

If you want more info mail me at:
Johan_nl@eudoramail.com


BUYER BEWARE!

Good luck.


My 2 € cents.


Johan.

PS: personaly I would AVOID Colombia for a SERIOUS partner. But that's MHO.

Hi Trojanman,

here's also another usefull LIST that migt help.
But also here do NOT mention anything about *****s.....:-(

http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?SUBED1=latin-women-l

search for the "latin-women-list"

But I tell ye it''s BORING like hell:-(

Johan.

I found a apt late feb early march through esalance so any one a aound holla let me so i like a bit of danger 9//11 changed my attitude about things. columbia has some pretty women to me its worth the risk, johan you sure your not going

Happy Newyear you mongers!!!!!!
Keep fucking those sluts,ho's,party-girls were-ever you are!!!:-)

Vagringo:
Arrangments are made for me in Brasil. I can't back out now. (ticket is paid...etc)Anyway all those GREAT women you can also see (and fuck!) in Brasil....BUT WITHOUT ALL THE DANGER!!!!!;-)
sO WHY ALL THE HUSSLE???

Colombia is slipping into more and more violence. Anyone who watches the news on Colombia regarding that has to agree with me on that.
Anyone who goes there JUST for pussy is (IMHO) totaly crazy!Sure Colombianitas are one of the prettiest pussies in the world,but that's not a reason to get shot,get killed,get kidnapped or get rocket-mortared at!!
Like I said before: there are MORE alternatives. Less dangerous and even cheaper as well. btw in other SA countries (CR,Panama,Brasil and even in peru) there are pretty Colombian hookers:-)
From what I know from my buddy Dieter (who is right now in Moldova) Frankfurt (Germany) is crowed with Colombian hookers!!

But anyone who still can't resist and wants to go there:

GOOD LUCK!!

Johan.

Thanks for the info guys... ill keep you posted

see you in the trenches
TrojanMan

Yesterday, crime statistics for the year 2002 in Colombia were published.

Numbers are basically flat year on year compared to 2001, with 28.000 registered cases of murder and 2.800 kidnappings last year.

The murder rate per capita is 80 times higher than, for example, in Germany, and it is 8 times higher than the risk of being killed in a traffic accident in Germany.

A post below comments that according to (US?) news things are getting worse in Colombia. Colombian Newspapers rather suggest that the situation is improving, at least psychologically. The statistics seem to say that truth is in the middle, and safety is unchanged compared to the year before.

This info was gathered from the online edition of newspaper "El Pais" in Cali, sorry I don't provide a link because I can't seem to find a way of linking older articles.

I second the piece below by johan007, with the only difference that I don't think Colombian women are any worse or better. They are women, period. Women, like men, are out to get the best deal. Women may love a man, but they may also love another if it suits them, just like we men may fuck a woman today and still want to fuck another tomorrow. There is no such thing as THE ideal country for serious relationships. There is no such thing as THE serious woman.

Men should realize the problem is not finding a good-looking, sensual girl who is at the same time nice and affectionate and willing to marry you. Given the right country, that's easy enough.
The real problem is, once you've brought the head of hair from pussy land into this male-drooling, consumer paradise of ours, how to you keep her contented enough (i.e. shell out 100-dollar bills quickly enough) so that she doesn't :

1) bolt as soon as she has her permanent residence permit,
2) go whoring after richer or younger men
3) divorce you, sue you for alimony, ruin you for life
4) pull all the nasty tricks a married woman can get away with nowadays, which is pretty much anything at all.

Believe me, if the marriage and divorce laws of the fifties were still in force, I would have married one of those beauties long ago (whether from Colombia or from elsewhere). As things are, I regard it as a recipe for social and financial suicide.

easy, move to kansas or montana, she'll never know what she's missing (although you will).

Leo, thanks for the tip, but if I could afford to move to the middle of nowhere, I could also afford to move to, say, Santa Marta, Columbia, where I would have, not one girl, but several.

Hi XXL,

you have to admit the marriage/divorce laws in most US states are totaly insane and in favor of the wife.:-(

Here in Europe when you marry with an pre-nup after a divorce all your belongings (which you had before and during your marriage) still are from you!!!!
Also living together with an document from the notary is legal and many couples do so...!!!

Thing is that many women "trick" men withj a kid. They become pregant very soon,and then the man can pay.

I don't understand why so many Americans are against abortion??

When i see a 16 yo girl with a kid...I think: "another young girls life ruined".

The trick to "keep" your women at your side after returning to USA or Europe is NOT to marry "eye-candy" (spoild bitches etc..) or women that are 15-20 years younger (most likely to be unstable and after 1-2 years she moves on with a younger guy)BUT to marry a normal,grown up sane woman. And they are HARD to find....;-)


I say FUCK the pretty goodlooking party girls/*****s and marry a decent woman!!!!

just my 2 € cents.

Johan.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by johan007
[i]Hi XXL,

you have to admit the marriage/divorce laws in most US states are totaly insane and in favor of the wife.:-(

Here in Europe when you marry with an pre-nup after a divorce all your belongings (which you had before and during your marriage) still are from you!!!!
Also living together with an document from the notary is legal and many couples do so...!!!

Thing is that many women "trick" men withj a kid. They become pregant very soon, and then the man can pay.

I don't understand why so many Americans are against abortion??

When i see a 16 yo girl with a kid...I think: "another young girls life ruined".

The trick to "keep" your women at your side after returning to USA or Europe is NOT to marry "eye-candy" (spoild bitches etc..) or women that are 15-20 years younger (most likely to be unstable and after 1-2 years she moves on with a younger guy) BUT to marry a normal, grown up sane woman. And they are HARD to find....;-)

I say FUCK the pretty goodlooking party girls/*****s and marry a decent woman!!!!

just my 2 € cents.

Johan. [/i][/QUOTE]

The US and Canada is a very fucked up place. Especially after you have travelled around the rest of the world fair bit. I blame Christianity for most of it. The femnazi's are to blame for the rest.

IMHO the world would be a much better place with less religion and more spirituality. Just think, no Isreal/Palestine conflict, no muslim/christian conflicts (the root of most terrorism today). No connection between the church and state. Instead, gov'ts would do what makes the most sense NOT what makes the most sense to Christians.

Don't even get me started on the Femnazi's!

Hi!!

I only want to mention this great site WWW.CYBERCUPIDO.COM if you want to try contact with colombian girls!! and also from other latin countries) Its free, easy to manage and if you are a westerner you will receive a lot of messages of different girls!! Well, its good if you wanted to find a girlfriend or a wife, but maybe you can have luck at know a fast contact!!

Good luck

hey guys still want info on cart and baq area any nice cabbies I should know and yes will stay away from tony the tout

Guys,

Incaroca has right!!!
www.cybercupido.com
is fucking GREAT!!!!! Many Colombianitas,Perunitas and other latin babes.

Give it a try...but better polish up your spanish;-)

I like the chatroom as well!!!:-)

Johan.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by johan007
[i]

The trick to "keep" your women at your side after returning to USA or Europe is NOT to marry "eye-candy" (spoild bitches etc..) or women that are 15-20 years younger (most likely to be unstable and after 1-2 years she moves on with a younger guy)BUT to marry a normal,grown up sane woman. And they are HARD to find....;-)
Johan. [/i][/QUOTE]

Brought a pretty, college educated girl back to US from Cali a year ago. She 28 and me 46.

3 days after she got her temporary green card she became violent because I would not get her a pet dog (condo won't permit) and poked me in the eye with two fingers. Did not want to talk about it, so I called police. They told her she had to pack her bag for the night. She never came back.

So far I have not returned to Cali to look for another Colombian hothead. Sure some are sweet, this one seemed sweet, but it is in their heritage to be violent if they want to.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by johan007
The trick to "keep" your women at your side after returning to USA or Europe is NOT to marry "eye-candy" (spoiled bitches etc..) or women that are 15-20 years younger (most likely to be unstable and after 1-2 years she moves on with a younger guy) BUT to marry a normal, grown up sane woman. And they are HARD to find....;-)
[/QUOTE]The trouble is, to my jaded Western eye, almost every girl I passed in the street was "eye candy"! It took me over a year to begin to start seeing that some *were* better than others :-))

Colombian women are very traditional in many ways. It is part of their culture for a 20 year old to marry a man twenty years or so her senior. Only now is this tradition starting to die out with more university girls dating their piers by preference.

And yes, latin girls can be fiery and hot-headed. I believe that's part of their attraction to me(!), though not necessarily what I would seek in a wife. But I believe that I see more pier-aged marriages failing than I do marriages between disimilarly aged couples.

This isn't to say there ain't spoiled brats out there though. Luckily they seemed mainly to be out for the attractive American guys rather than the ugly Brits like me :-)

quote : "..marrry a normal, grown up sane woman"

The principle is sound enough but raises the question "how normal, how grown up and sane does she have to be"? In other words, how far down are we supposed to lower our expectations before we hit safety?

If it means going for average-looking women, I'd rather forget it. Fucking 8s and 9s and marrying a 5 or a 6 is simply too depressing. Better stay single and travel down from time to time to poke as many 8s and 9s as you can. Let alone that even a plain woman CAN get nasty all the same, even if she's less likely to do so that a looker.

The key observation in this discussion is that expats (white men who actually live and work in a pussy country) marry TOP girls and get away with it. I know it all too well from my African trips. Those lucky bastards actually marry girls that would get an immediate contract for playboy magazine, AND THE GIRL STAYS PUT, FUCKS AND COOKS FOR THEM.

You know why? Simple: she has nowhere else to go and there's no better deal around. And this brings me to a principle that is worth repeating: it is not the girl that matter, but the Society into which you parachute her.

Keep her in a backward enough country, and even Miss Universe will be your lapdog.

Take her to the US of the EU, and even an average-looking brat will be too hot to handle.

It pisses me off, but that's the way it is.

xxl

[QUOTE]Originally posted by xxl
[i]quote : "..marrry a normal, grown up sane woman"

The principle is sound enough but raises the question "how normal, how grown up and sane does she have to be"? In other words, how far down are we supposed to lower our expectations before we hit safety?

If it means going for average-looking women, I'd rather forget it. Fucking 8s and 9s and marrying a 5 or a 6 is simply too depressing. Better stay single and travel down from time to time to poke as many 8s and 9s as you can. Let alone that even a plain woman CAN get nasty all the same, even if she's less likely to do so that a looker.

The key observation in this discussion is that expats (white men who actually live and work in a pussy country) marry TOP girls and get away with it. I know it all too well from my African trips. Those lucky bastards actually marry girls that would get an immediate contract for playboy magazine, AND THE GIRL STAYS PUT, FUCKS AND COOKS FOR THEM.

You know why? Simple: she has nowhere else to go and there's no better deal around. And this brings me to a principle that is worth repeating: it is not the girl that matter, but the Society into which you parachute her.

Keep her in a backward enough country, and even Miss Universe will be your lapdog.

Take her to the US of the EU, and even an average-looking brat will be too hot to handle.

It pisses me off, but that's the way it is.

xxl [/i][/QUOTE]

xxl... Wow! That's some hard-hitting stuff, man!! But I totally concur with everything you said. Thanks for keeping things real on this page.

I disagree. It sounds like you guys don't really have a problem meeting women, but in maintaining a relationship. The opposite problem is true for me. I get very anxiety stricken upon meeting new people especially women, but find them incredibly needy, cumbersome, tedious, and borring once involved. Of course, the more I hint at my frustration with them the more dedicated they become, thus worsening the situation and usually leading to a break-up.

Not that you want to emulate my unhealthy relationships, but if you want to keep a woman loyal to you i think it's mostly about your attitude and approach to them, regardless of whether they are American or Latin.

First of all, you guys all sound pretty sensitive, which is a plus, b/c to truly woo and win the woman of your dreams you must show her a secret magical world called reality, which she being a petty woman has probably neglected. hahah! Second, you must be strict with her and show her she can't get away with anything. The minute she shows disrespect, that's when you gotta slap the pimp hand down and tell her to leave. Even if you know that you'll be single and lonely for months without her, you gotta create the illusion that she is completely disposable. She'll never leave and beg you not to get rid of her or throw a fit attacking you or something. Women are looking to worship somebody with strength and pride!

quote : "even if you know that you'll be single and lonely for months without her, you gotta create the illusion that she is completely disposable".

again, i have nothing to object to that as a tactical principle, but how long can you sustain the illusion in europe or the us? one year, a few months? are you so good-looking that you could earn a living in motion pictures if you wanted to? are you a millionaire? are you an influential member of your community or a high-ranking government official?

neither am i. if i were, i would probably not be peddling my cock in far-off, malaria and crime-ridden countries. i would have my pick of the best local girls and take them on holiday on a gorgeous beach somewhere. the fact is, i am average-looking, averagely well-off, a non-person to good-looking girls at home. outlooked, outearned, outperformed ten times over, that's what i am in my own country.

and this, even an illiterate girl from the congo jungle is going to notice sooner or later, even sooner than it takes her to get fluent in english or french or german. and then she'll go, taking half of my wages along as pocket money, courtesy of the divorce judge.

gi'me the same girl in an islamic country or in a country where the average annual wage is 100 us dollars, and i'll twist her around my little finger and scrape the floor with her and with dozens of her sisters and she'll only thank me for it. not that i would enjoy doing that, but maybe neither does she enjoy ruining me over here, she just does so because everyone, man or woman, simply go for the best deal.

think about it.

xxl

I'm decent looking, but without much money. I have a difficult time meeting women and tend to get a lot of flat-out rejections. Yet, when I finally do bag a chick(usually pretty good looking ones), I own her....she loves me. I think this is because I have an incredible passion that comes from truly loving myself and living. Those kinds of qualities are magnetic and if you can offer somebody that you never have to even fret with worries about them straying.

to nervous you have not been sexed to you been done by a columbiana .maybe you need to think we all have that problem but when you leave all that sappy shit out you can be a ***** hound like the rest of us . if ya can dance ok or speak some spanish than you will get laid but please save the poor me stuff for other boards

VAGRINGO--I don't want to be patronizing, but I don't think you're paying attention to the conversation....please read it over. We're talking about the problem of holding on to one of these hot girls you bring back from colombia. I wasn't telling a woe is me story or asking for sympathy. I was just trying to convey my feeling that whether you can maintain a relationship or not is mostly based on your attitude/personality.

point taken I understand

I am familiar with bars in smaller towns like Ibague and Neiva. Local WOMEN and just as good service. Interested in others who have experienced these places.

Guys,

I've been reading the posts and I think xxl is correct.
The problem is not (if you have $$$ or €'s ofcourse) living together with your latin queen in Colombia (should you want this) or in whatever SA country.
The troubles will start when coming HOME to US or Europe.
I know some guys that are married to Russians,Colombians and Brazilians.
Most of them are divorced,separated or in whatever lousy situation.
It's NOT looks......no sir.
It's a combination of factors that is cousing most forreign marriages to fail.
Different mentality (try explaining a latina wife that women here share their part in living costs IF they have a job..!!).
Climate factor; If you live in Spain,Italy of in Florida you are lucky.....but if uyou live in Holland,Denmark of Alaska...well......;-)
In most West-European countries there are more MEN then women.
Besides that (IMHO) most women here are not half as pretty as your average Russian/Latin queen.
So if you like it or not,your Latin queen must stand firm NOT to fall for other male temtations which there are MANY here. And I assume you have NOT taken a goldigger from there,because in that case you can WAIT when troubles start;-)
There is always a guy that is making MORE $$$$,looking better and/or younger....or just having the better raps.....then you are.
Lets not fool ourselves guys. The MAIN reason for those women to migrate is $$$$$ and/or a BETTER live status.
It seldomly has anything to do with REAL LOVE!!!imho

If I COULD I would prefer to live in SA.
But on this moment that's just impossible for me.
:-(
Untill that day I just go twice a year on a fuck holiday for 3 weeks and "enjoy" my live here with an average 39 yo duch woman with 3 kids that looks like shit and has demands like if she were the queen herself!!!
Dutch immigration rules are getting more strict each year. Right now it's nearly impossible to live together with a latina in Holland if you NOT earn a HUGE salary (yes my friends here we have income demands!!!) and are willing to pay many €€€'s for visa,langauge trainings etc.etc.etc.
Besides that our glorious dutch government (bunch of wankers) is getting real paranoid:-(

regards,

Johan

I'm glad I'm not alone with my findings, or maybe I should say I'm sorry for things to be genuinely as bad for us men as I make them out to be. I'd much rather my pessimism were proved wrong to some extent.

Johan007 also touches on a further complication that makes our predicament even worse, namely the fact that our governments have made it impossible for men with normal income to invite a girl on a tourist visa. Fifteen years ago, this was easy.

I always get mocked by male friends of mine whenever I try to bring home to them that there's a feminist conspiracy going on, yet this is just what it is. Until the late 80s, more European women than European men engaged in relationships with non-European partners, and this was not perceived as a problem.

As soon as the figures reversed ( more European men than European women interested in non-European partners), European women cried wolf and no excuse was spared to prevent European men from having girl-friends over on vacation.

Same in the US of course, probaly even worse. "We're in this together with the US" is a favourite motto of bootlicking politicians over here. In it together indeed, in feminist shit's creek without a paddle.

Know what? The muslims are not such fools after all.

xxl

Guys,XXL

if you allready see what kind of huge paperwork,euro's and other things a guy has to do BEFORE even to invite a NON-EU (female) member to his place for a holiday most guys just drop the case and don't even try.
In most cases you have to pay up to 10.000-15.000 Euro's for the whole chebang. Language training in HER country (!!!!! jee what a GREAT idea...!!),visa costs (app. every year 500 Euro)paperwork translations (of. translators are EXPENSIVE as hell I tell you,for one lousy A4 paper you pay up to 150-200 Euro's depending on the language) and besides that many otehr costs like tickets,telephone calls etc.etc.

AND THAT IS JUST WHAT OUR GOVERNMENTS WANTS!!!!!!!!!!

For women right now this country (Netherlands;and i am sure also other western countries) is PARADISE!!
Many women divorced with 2-3 kids even in thier late thirties/early forties STILL get a guy 5-10 years YOUNGER with EASE!!
Most guys infact are happy that they even GET a wife and not have to spend their prime ages between 30-45 ALONE!!!
Many dutch men (maybe also others?) are DESPERATE and willing to do nearly EVERYTHING just NOT to end up alone.
Some men are so twisted that they end up with goldiggers and/or prostitutes and marry them. You all know what will follow after this. Divorce. And in most cases a severe financial pain for the guy.

That makes me very sad.
For some countries like Thailand,Philipines,Colombia,DR or Cuba is is NEARLY impossible to get a perm visa for the Netherlands.

So IF a guy should want to " get" a forreign wife here he shoulc think this over 135 times before doing so.
Sure many agencies or marriage brokers don't tell you all this.
They only want to make $$$$$$$$$.

Johan.

HEY GUYS,


Thats one the main reasons why I'm moving to Panama City, its much more easier to bring your beautiful girlfriends into panama than here in the states. I enjoy traveling to SA, I've met many females that I wish I could invited to my home but living here in the state a girl coming from colombia has few chances on aquiring a visa. But once while on vacation in panama for six weeks I inquired about sending for a girl in cali they told me as long as I pick her up at the airport and I vouched for her she could travel to panama.

It makes me laugh when I talk to a american women its always the same, most of then asume that the women in latin america have no rights, they live in a different era, they have no power in society because latin men are machismos. No dout that most latin men are machismos but it doesn't make the females subservient in anyway. I usually tell my american girlfriends that a large majority of females girls in the states have grown up with the idea that femininity is a weakness, how wrong they are. Thats the major reason why the feminist movement has not caught on in latinamerican mosts latinas see their femininity as there strength and thats why I love latin women. I also tell them that the president of panama its a woman, what a big suprise a woman been at the top of a backwards country. well thats my two cents.... enjoy while you can guys.

I'm kind of a bit reluctant to join in this thread, but here we go:

Of the marriages I've seen fail, or failing, between Colombian girls and Western guys, it seems that the *guy*has a hell of a lot to answer for, in several cases considerably more than the girl who has stuck with them through totally unreasonable behaviour that any Western girl would have kicked their sorry arses to the kerb for long ago.

And no, these girls are *not* sponging off them either -- they are out there working or studying their cute little arses off, wondering what the fuck they are doing with their lives and usually thinking of going back home where the living is harder but the macho menfolk actually treat them better.

I'm now going to retreat into this bunker and wait for the incoming flak. :-)

That's been my general experience as well with Colombian women (ones living here; never been to Colombia yet). Assuming that you have a REAL relationship with one and aren't just hooking up with some hot b***ch, that's using you (which i think is pretty easy to tell), I can't imagine most of them turning into a femnized monster!

I have read WSG for a good while now and find it to be entertaining, enlightening and damn good advice.

I offer the following about Colombian women as girlfriends (not talking about the pros): they can be the most wonderful and beautiful creatures on the face of this earth, but this comes at a price. It's call a TEMPER. Also, what others have said is true. they are raised to think that the man works and the woman stays home. If you can afford this arrangement, then all is perfect. But, if you are looking for an mate that will pull her weight in the income department then you better look elsewhere. In fact this is a trait of all latin women, not just Colombians.

I am a gringo with many Colombian friends here in Florida. I have traveled to Bogota several times with my friends and also had Colombian girlfriends here. For arm candy, they have no equal (my humble opinion), but they are very high maintenance.

Buzios wrote:
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offer the following about Colombian women as girlfriends (not talking about the pros): they can be the most wonderful and beautiful creatures on the face of this earth, but this comes at a price. It's call a TEMPER. Also, what others have said is true. they are raised to think that the man works and the woman stays home. If you can afford this arrangement, then all is perfect. But, if you are looking for an mate that will pull her weight in the income department then you better look elsewhere. In fact this is a trait of all latin women, not just Colombians.****

I agree with you 100 %.
HOWEVER......

The high educated women also want jobs. Fact is that in many countries in SA they just do not find a "normal"job. So they are FORCED to stay home.
Besides that some MACHO males do not allow their women to work...!!
The women that reasly ONLY want to stay at home,spend ypur money....are called "Goldiggers"...stay away from those;-)

If you meet a girl which allready tells you in her second email that she wants 2-3 kids and be a "casa de ama" Forget her and dump her. That is NOT going to work in USA nore in Europe.

In my country nobody (only the very rich) can afford to let a woman stay home with 2-3 kids!!!
If you do so (when having a normal job) this would lead to a certain state of poverty!!

If you look well there are enough SA women that want a job.
Fact is that they THINK their education is ok. Which in fact is (mostly) NOT. Their diploms are not valid or are just overvalued in their home countries. Then when coming to USA or Europe.....they are in a shock,because no boss will hire them.
Besides that most SA women are Realy HAVING TROUBLES WITH LEARNING FORREIGN LANGUAGES!!!!!!!
They still think everybody should speak Spanish (or Portugese)!!!!
English....they just MIGHT learn within 1-2 years.
But Dutch....Swedish...german...Danish .French????
Forget it.

You should find out with 2-3 days if she is looking for a "suggar-daddy" which keeps her AND her family financialy secured OR if she is looking for an equal parter.
Some idots that are in their forties (or even older) with filled pockets are due to the fact that most latinas THINK all western men are RICH and are into "sponsoring" the family.
NOT.

SA is GREAT for mongering......sleazing arround and stuff like that. I love that kind of shit.....:-)

But finding a serious life-mate is a completely different ball game.

my 2 € cents.


Johan.

PS: I am talking with 3 colombianitas and i am heading for Colombia (probably Cartagena) this october/November for 3 weeks.

Addictedtowomen wrote:
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And no, these girls are *not* sponging off them either -- they are out there working or studying their cute little arses off, wondering what the fuck they are doing with their lives and usually thinking of going back home where the living is harder but the macho menfolk actually treat them better.
****

I seriously DOUBT that!!!! I hardly believe a male,chauvinistic,macho from Colombia will treat his wife BETTER then an averahe US/European guy.
WHY????

In Colombia there are sooooo many women....;-)
If you have a little money you can "buy"any woman you want.
Here we have more men. Woman work for their money...at least most are.

Besides that many latinos drink and even HIT their women if she is doing something wrong in HIS eyes.

Try THAT here.....and you'll be facing some barrs from behind the police station!!!;-)

What is true...is the fact that latino men are BETTER ASS-kissers (suck-ups).....and KNOW exactly what latinas want to hear. For us westerners it is hardly to bear if you hear the mega romantic crap which some men tell to girls/women in SA.
If you told that crap to any women HERE she'd be laughing her ass off......and she probably told you to shove off;-)
If you know how they play the game in SA....YOU are settled;-)

Johan.

JohanOO7,

I think that we both know these Colombian girls very well. I will also comment that most married Colombian guys (regardless of economics), will have a mistress on the side. It is pretty much accepted as fact down there. Times are slowly changing and the women are gradually not accepting this arangement. However, the general rule is that so long as the man does not flaunt his mistress to his wife and so long as he does not disrespect her with the arrangement, it is generally overlooked. It is just the way it is down there. All of my friends that live there have mistresses, and all of the mistresses know that these men guys are married and have families! It is simply a different world. Too bad it is not like that here in the States. The problem is, once the move here and become Americanized, they don'y put up with that shit.

There is really alot to be said to having a nice wife and family and the ability to maintain something on the side. Lucky men have been doing it for years, but here in the States if you get caught it costs you $$$$ in alimony, down there it's no problem.

Even with all the potential negative factors of finding a South American chica for a girlfriend, it is still worth it. These American prima donna wps's (worthless piece of shit's) are not worth the headaches.

buzios:

you are completely right!!
i know all about "amantas"and shit like that;-)
sex is no big deal in sa. it is a part of life and most south-americans enjoy it daily!!!!
when you are married for some years here you get lucky if you can fuck your wife once a week on the saturday night....!!! some married collegues of mine can screw about twice a month!! haha. they are realy jealous of my sa fucking trips,i tell you that;-)

you mentioned the fact that latinas will 'change" after arriving in the states or europe. and that is correct.

that is why i still believe it is nearly impossible to live with a latina in usa or europa.
that is why i am looking to settle down in a sa country.
then.....offcourse it is a different ball game and we too can fuck our brains out!!!
(and i will...trust me;-)

here...if you even try this...you got the sack within a nano-second!!!
most divorces here are all about status/money and shit like that. i think less then 5 % of all divorces in holland are about cheating.
dutch men/women are very faithfull.....but oooo soooo boring!!!:-(

you just don't get the change to cheat here....and that is a fact. i am sure if the men here were given the oppertunity they too would fuck outdoors like hell!!
did you ever tried making eyes to a "lady"here on the street???? hell they would probably scream "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]" if you did...lol

in sa this is the way to make contact (malls..etc.etc well you know what i mean)

johan.

GUYs,

I can vouched for that!!!
My colombian exfiancee, introduced me to her dad and pretty much all her family in Cali colombia, after spending several month in colombian, started to find out that her father still married to her mother had a novia on the side. Once he even took me to her house to meet her, she must have been not much older than 25 he is 52. He told me once that there's so many colombian chicas that would never have the opportunity to married, that they choose to be mistress, why? I don't have the slidest idea.

Shit thats nothing my exfiancee's uncle has a 18 year old mistress he's 61, he even has an apartment set up for here. He has a business in cali so he somewhat well of. The thing that suprise me the most was the fact that, uncle's wife knows about the 18 year old chica and doesn't give a fuck...maybe she does give a f.....) but what can she do. A guess she must be thinking as long as he provides for the house takes care of his homely duty his entitle.

I guess if I lived in cali I'll probably be doing the same shit, I just move to latin american and absolutely love it!! not even in my dreams could I had image having such a good time...... Well guy good luck and happy hunting.

Johan,

I have never been to Holland, and so I was very surprised to hear comments about the sexual climate there. I guess I always assumed that Holland (specially w/ Amsterdam) was much more sexually active and liberated than over here in the States.

Here there seems to be alot of fucking going....(just not between spouses). I have an American princess (pain in the ass) girlfriend at the moment. The sex has definately slowed since we first met, but is still "OK". Not sure how long I can keep her around. But, I still make my SA trips with my amigos down to Costa Rica or Colombia. Also, I'm still able to score on the side here every now and then.

It would be great to live in SA, what a great culture for finding snatch! But, I don't think I could make the same $$$ as here in the States. My friends and I have been thinking of buying an apartment or small business down in SA so that we can have a good excuse to visit. (They are married, so sometimes it is hard for them to explain these "fishing" trips).

gUYS,

IT IS FINAL....i WILL BE IN COLOMBIA BETWEEN 24-10 AND 20-11!!
If anyone wants to join up.....it is fine with me. But please be carefull with stuff about mongering etc....because my GF is with me!! (allthough her english is about nada....!)

i WILL FLY IN bOGOTA...FROM THERE INLAND FLIGHT TO CARTAGENA!

We will see what happens.

But i allready noticed my GF is VERY jealous!!
She is a HOT 25 yo canela from Colombia!!

Still I hope to sneak away for some "action"....;-)
I have some "back-up"if things might turn out bad...!

Keep you guys posted.

Johan.

A few days ago on Cali Board I was raising this topic " How Calenas are as a housewife or girlfriend". Well, I got no response at all. It looked like other members were not interested in this topic. Just came to find out on this general info. board many recent messages discussed about this topic. I was talking about Calenas in Cali, but I think the discussion can be expanded to Colombian women, or Latinas.

On Cali board, everybody was talking about how easy it is to pick up a non-pro in Cali., and yet others were saying the Calenas can be good wives. I know many members on this board or many foreigners traveled to Colombia in the hope of finding a girl friend and eventually marry her. I know in SA people's attitude towards sex is very different than that of us in the US. By reading on the Cali board, I have the impression that these Calenas are very open about lesure sex. I was there once myself, and I do think the description about their openness with sex was pretty accurate. Many young regular girls I met have multiple boyfriends or sexpartners. I just can't picture these girls as good housewives even if you marry them and live down in SA. What do you guys think? PanamaJack, Johanoo7, Buzio.

Marino,

I tried many women. Russians,bulgarians,Romanians (my ex wife was from Romania),Ukrainians,Brasilians,Peruvians,DR,colombians (fucked one right here in Holland!!)etc.etc.
Also Dutch and German women I have fucked.

Everywere there is GOOD and BAD....but when it comes down to sex....latinas are GREAT.
Given the odds i'd say they beat anything anywere regarding sex. That is why I (and thousands like me) go to SA for sex.
Simple as that.
Try chatting to them in a chatroom....you will SEE the difference within 1 minute! But learn spanish..!!

I found out that the socalled "conservative"type of women can be a real pain in the ASS.
Mostly they hold you off.....let you pay money....use you...and then after some days or even weeks you get some...it is a BIG turn off....:-(


Latinas UNDER 25 are to avoid for wifes and serious stuff. They simply aren't ready to settle down.
But for fun.....Hey I'll do a horny latina of 21 yo any day!!:-)

I accept them as they are. I'd rather have a latina with a temper then an icecold Russian who says nothing,feels nothing and is very indifferent.

That is MHO.

Johan

Marino,


I've always said that ever the day I put the ball & chain on, its going to be to a colombiana, why? and guys this is my personal experience, colombianas much more than any other women from other places that I've met, tend to stick around throught the good and bad.

About colombianas been good housewives, I think it has alot to do with a individual female. On any given day you find a colombiana that might be increadable in the sack but its worthless at most other things, and sometimes you hit the motherload with one that can fuck, cook, clean and work and she's not bad looking, so really its to much of a generalization.

I love colombianas because of my personal experience with colombian girlfriends, traveling to colombia, living in colombia for about six month and the many colombianas that I've in panama. I can truly say that some of the very best times of my life have been with colombianas no dout, but I have a cousin thats married to a argentinan from BA, and we argue so much about colombianas and porteñas, so it really has to do with your personal expierence, my cousin went to college in argentina for 6 years so thats why he talks so much shit, but I do love his wife she is a hell of a woman........ shit maybe I need to check out argentina before making any decisions what do you guys think.

Latinas vs others

I sort of started this thread long ago so it's time I put my oar in again.

In fact, I have little to add to what Johan007 (a fellow countryman of mine give or take 150 miles) has written so far. He seems to have reached about the same level of understanding - and disillusion- as I have. Amsterdam a flesh spot? Twenty years ago, may be. Now a big European city like all European cities, where the only sex you can have as a non-millionaire is a wank in a cramped overpriced hotel room.

It is not a question of "Latinas are the best" or "Asians are great" or "Mulatas are better in bed". All women can be good in bed if they want to and if they have to. All women can be good wives or good *****s if they want to or if they have to.

It all boils down to bargaining power, financial and legal. Men's bargaining power in the West = 0. Men's present role in the West is to pay, and pay and pay. No rights, no fun. Blackmailed, framed up, ruined, sent to jail.

You want to bring a Latina-Africana-Asiana or any a'woman into this lawlessness and expect her to respect you and love you and cater to your needs? It had better be Mother Theresa!

xxl

Guys,

since I broke up with my Colombiana yesterday (after i found out she was lying to me) I now can enjoy Colombia to the MAX!!!

It was too late to cancel....and anyway I did want to go!!

So Colombia here I come!!(without the GF)

I AM GAME.:-)

Johan.

PS: allready i emailed two hot bogotena hookers from internet. And they look promising!!

Ok, here I am in Panama getting my Latin American legs underneath me, having just´"escaped" the great white north. I am soon going to be visiting Colombia no matter how scary it is.

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I am thinking of trying a LA country next Feb.

Can any one tell me which country in South or central America would be best over all.
I prefer the lighter skinned out going Latin types. Also prefer a semi pro.

Where would be best for non pros.

I tried Rio a few years ago. The women were great but a bit too pro like. Not that cheap either.

Is Feb a good time?

I was thinking of Colombia or Venezualar.

Thanks in advance

Anyone been to Manizales?

Anybody at Miami airport next Thursday (12/11) heading to Colombia? If so, PM me, and we can hook up for a beer!

VallenatoNegrito!

Does anyone can give me some links (such as yahoo group) regarding daily life for foreigners in Colombia? Thanks.

I recommend the guide book

Footprint Colombia Handbook: The Travel Guide
by Authors: Peter Pollard
Released: June, 2001
ISBN: 1900949717
Paperback


This guide book is head and shoulders above the lonely planet guide. Much better for a middle class or affluent tourists than LP's.

This guide has information about Colombia that impressed my Colombian friends.

Ferolga

After looking at the pics of Columbian women in this and other sites, I have to say that Columbia seems to have type of women I like(hot, thick and spicy). I want to take my first trip to Cartagena and would like to get as much info as possible on cheap apts where all the working and non working girl action is, other useful web sites, where to get the best airfares etc.

I would also like to hook up with any guys that will be in Cartagena at the end of March-mid April or that live in that area.

I would also like to let you guys know of a web site that seems to have very good International airfares (travelhub.com). Let me know if this site is good or if there are better rates at other sites.

Thanks for all the great info!

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Hello friends,

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE PURPOSE FOR ME WRITING THIS POST IS FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY ... I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO READ AND CONTRIBUTE TO THIS SITE WHO HAVE SEEN, EXPERIENCED, AND LIVED A LOT MORE THAN ME!

IN THE 30 YEARS THAT I HAVE ROAMED THIS EARTH, I ONLY KNOW ONE THING FOR CERTAIN, AND THAT TRUTH IS I LOVE WOMEN! I ALWAYS HAVE, AND ALWAYS WILL!!!!!!!

I, WITHOUT A DOUBT, WILL DEFINITELY END UP LIKE MY GRANDFATHER, EYEING OFF HIS GRANDSON'S NEW GIRLFRIEND THINKING, "I WOULDN'T MIND A SHOT AT THAT!”

Ok then, ... I've been reading these pages for a little while now, been hobbying for years, and recently have started contributing a few thoughts, experiences and photos (oh yere Jackson, did you receive my photos from Brasil???) to this site.

Bit of background on me (in case anyone cares), I am Australian and have travelled to the States, Germany, France, Holland, Spain, Bali, South Africa and spent most of last year in Brasil and Argentina. Have mongered hard... and have loved it!

In one week I will start another 9 months of travel heading to Thailand, Peru and Columbia...... (really looking forward to Columbia - heard the girls are really nice, as well as hot!!!!!!!!!)

... Anyway, what got me thinking started a couple of weeks ago, when I read a few posts from members from this board (not naming names) touching on the subject of "dating / settling down / marriage", to ladies from other countries, instead of simply mongering and getting a different chick every night (which I have done, for extended periods of time, and loved).

I also have read A LOT of reports by members who live in the States (where I too have lived for about a year), discussing how, generally speaking, they would never like to settle down / get married to / or date "these types of women"...In case you were wondering Australian women (in particular women from Sydney), are exactly the type of women that I have heard described in these pages (speaking generally of coarse)... ego driven, self centred, materialistic and basically a nightmare to "approach / have sex with / or get to know" without an incredible amount of hoop jumping, and intense game playing"……. And what I would like to add, through my experience, is that a lot of these “ladies – using that term lightly” are simply LOOKING FOR BRAD PITT OR DAVID BECKHAM (and then in the same breathe putting sh*t on men for concentrating purely on “externals").

Don't get me wrong, I can pull these girls (well some of them). In the past I played the game ... But I guess the truth of the matter is I am not willing to play their games no more!!!!!!! Over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

... Over the years I have met, dated, and considered settling down / marrying a couple of these girls, but in the end, always ended up "back-dooring it"... Perhaps it is just me (unable to commit, grass is greener, immature etc, etc), or maybe I'm smart (a lot of my friends are married, and I don't envy the kind of life they have – but what do I know???? Maybe they are extremely happy. I'm not them. I'm just on the outside looking in - maybe I AM THE LOSER??????).
Anyway, after my experiences (particularly of last year being in Argentina and Brasil) l, and reading these pages (which I must admit I thoroughly enjoy, e.g people's experiences, opinions, travels, and the girls, oh the girls), I have started thinking about a few things.
Last year, time and time again, I met some amazing, beautiful women (both pro's and non pro's and sometimes semi-pro's), that I shared fantastic experiences with (both sexual and non sexual)... cool chicks that I could hang out with, do things and be myself with effortless ease! Me and my mate literally “tore the place up for months).
Since coming back to Australia, I have barely spent anytime with any girls here at all (a few hookers and a couple of Sydney chicks who gave me the sh*ts so I promptly said "GO AWAY”)... All I have done is worked to gather $$$ to leave again.
So anyway, back to the point of my thoughts, I know I am probably not alone with wanting to meet and experience (in every way) different girls from around the world, but how long can this be done for??? If I had 10 million bucks I may not be asking myself this question, or maybe I still would?
Should I continue to keep mongering, living for the excitement of "my next trip"??? (spending my $, returning to Australia, making $, packing up my stuff and leaving again etc, etc)... Or maybe Australia is the problem (beautiful country, but on the whole, the people here are.... well.... not to friendly, in particular the women)... Or should I try to geographically relocate to another country I really like, where the people (yes, including the women), are cool??? Or should I meet a cool girl and take her back to Australia???
Yes, I know this is a complicated question (and maybe been asked by some out there at some point), and that's why I would love other's to share your EXPERIENCES & to a lesser degree your OPINIONS on this topic.
Has anyone out there in WSG land relocated to another country for a long period of time, met a girl (or girls) and had it work out all good? ...Or met a really cool girl overseas and took them back to your home country only to discover that they moulded themselves into exactly the type of woman you were trying to escape? ... Been dumped by your "cool chick from another country" for a better-looking bloke with more loot, or simply residency into that country? ... Or perhaps took them home and lived "happily ever after" (O.K., shut up ... you know what I mean!)
... I guess a lot of you guys will simply state "It depend on the kind of girl you are with?” raising more questions like, "does the girl really like you for you, are just the illusion (or reality) of a better life, in another place?”... (this is starting to sound a bit like Dr Phil isn't it!)
And what about pros???? Are they long-term "girlfriend etc" material????
... Who knows, maybe I am going in circles with this? ... I know this is a websites for blokes to talk and discuss SEX, ON A GLOBAL LEVEL, and maybe this post is becoming. …UMMM…a little deep???
Or perhaps I am just suffering from withdrawals (its been 3 months in OZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts!
Your man from "down under" - Rex Kramer!!!!
P.S THE THOUGHT OF ONLY HAVING SEX WITH ONE WOMAN, AND ONE WOMAN ONLY SCARES THE ABSOLUTE SH*T OUTTA ME - AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe I was born, and will die a monger!

to Rex.

i hear ya. you are wondering if you should settle down and find a good girl to have a long term relationship... may be getting married....
remember, falling in love is very different from getting into relationship. heaven and earth difference. the best analogy is like the desire to make lots of money verus actually working hard to make money. totally different deal.

in your case, i think you are really confused and need to take a cold shower and consider the following.

1. the girls you met in brasil/argentina whom you defined as pro and semi pro are actually ALL PRO. they are good for having fun, dole out some cash, have a few hours of passion but that's all. having relationship? definitively, definitely NO Nada e Nunca. i have known so many gringo guys from all over western europe, USA, Canada who fell in love and married semi pro and pro. NONE, repeat, NONE turned out to have good relations. these girls are the best actresses you ever find and don't think otherwise. remember, irrespective of all the discussions about how these "good girls" forced by economic circumstances to go pro and they have good heart. i don't doubt they have good heart but when you get into long term relationship, you are dealing with ATTITUDE, MOTIVATION not HEART. case in point, there are millions of poor young girls in brasil/argentina however, i doubt there are millions of Pro there. i have nothing against pros and i love them too. however, the fact that there are 10X more poor girls who did not turn pro despite proverty tells you something. btw, don't fool yourself by thinking the "semi-pro" concept. you are either IN THIS or OUT OF this, Duyba (GW Bush) country here. there is no semi pro. so, repeat, go have fun, spend the cash.
2. what about totally non pro girls? yes, you can find those girls, i presume you speak fluent spanish and portugese and you will have no problem picking up truly good girls who are totally non pro. in this context, i would say, it has less to do with the girls but more to do with you. establishing a long term relations requires lots of maturity, focus and DEDICATION. are you ready to go into relationship? possibly get married and support a family? i am referring to mathematics here. how much are you making? what is the cost of having a relationship? a family? if the girl is not of professional standing (for Professional, i mean career as lawyer, accoutant, computer engineer) who makes good money, you probably have to support her or sponsor her (if she moves to Australia or US with you). that's a lot of responsibility. have you run a cost/benefit analysis?

Rex, you know what, i don't think you will listen to me. i have witnessed so many guys like you who will go into this "relationship" thing with a pro or semi pro no matter what. so, good luck if you choose that path.... you will need lots of luck....:)

Rex Kramer,

I just read your post. Take what I have to say (just like the other posts) with a grain of salt. I've been hobbying fairly hard for the past 4 or 5 years. The first couple of years the USA then the past two years primarily South America (Brazil and Buenos Aires). Have expanded to Europe, Mexico, Central America and other countries now like Colombia.

I think Johan gives some good advice but I would disagree that it's totally impossible to meet nice girls that are working girls. I think all of us would agree though that they aren't the best girls to settle down with. No matter what any guy says we all have a double standard when it comes to sex. If girls sleep with lots of guys somehow that makes them bad. If we do it somehow it makes us studs. I don't agree with that stereotype. Still, if you get involved with these girls you will always think about it in the back of your mind. It takes someone VERY strong emotionally to deal with the girl's past.

You are a young guy and you have a lot of years ahead of you. You sound well traveled so I'm sure you've seen and been through a lot. There is nothing better than traveling and seeing the world. I think if you go out looking for love it can be a recipe for disaster. The thing you have to consider is it's tough enough to make a normal relationship work these days. One where you don't have to worry or think about all the issues of a girl working. The divorce rate in some areas is 7 out of 10. Imagine factoring in all the stresses of language barriers, cultural differences, age differences, educational backgrounds and it probably skyrockets.

Marriage is a LOT of work. You sound a little like what I'm going through. I absolutely LOVE girls. I love everything about them. However, I think about some of great girls I have passed aside always thinking the next better thing will come along. Now I'm starting to think what if she doesn't come.

It's not impossible to make things work with a girl you meet this way but it's sure tough. I've met hundreds of girls. I only wanted a relationship with one girl. I dated her almost a year. Luckily she had a tourist visa so I could fly her in to my house several times for month long stints. It really was a good relationship although we had some differences. The main reason I broke up was not because of her past. It was because I remembered how it was when I was married before. I was in a perfect marriage and I still cheated.

My advice is if you are serious, spend significant amounts of time with a girl you meet. Meet her family. Meet her friends. Stay with her in her place. See what her life is like. It's easy to THINK you "fell in love" after a little while but true love takes time. Love is easy when you are on week long or 2 week long trips to the girls city. What about when you're sharing the medicine cabinet with her? What about when you find out her bad habits and she finds out your bad habits? Financial burdens of helping her out and possibly her family too. Remember that many girls are working this type of job because they support their families and their own kids.

Think to yourself... if this girl gets sick are you willing to take the time and quite possibly lots of money to be responsible for her? In Europe or the USA many young girls that we date are fairly self- sufficient. If they aren't, they have family or friends to fall back on in difficult times. It's not the case with many of these girls in Central and South America.

Yes, girls in many USA and European cities are what we would call bitches. Keep in mind though these girls in other countries have their own can of worms too. It's quite hard to get to know a girl over a few weekend or weeklong trips. It's funny but sometimes we let our sexual energy get in the way of our thinking. I've had good luck with American girls in the past. I just stopped dating them because I'm not looking for a serious relationship and most seem to be in what I call "nesting mode".

If you're asking if we'd recommend you settle down with a pro. I think most of us would advise against it. Am I saying it's impossible? No. I'm just saying it's really difficult. There are a lot of great girls out there that I met through the 'hobby'. There are soooo many great girls though that are not in the hobby. Spend any significant time in South America and you'll meet them doing everyday things like going to the store, the bank, restaurants, malls, etc.

It's good that you are asking yourself some difficult questions now. It's good to think again and get the thought process going. I've been doing a lot of thinking lately too. None of us are getting any younger. I met a great non-pro girl that I'm kind of starting the beginning stages of a relationship with. Still, I ask myself if I'm capable of a serious committed relationship. I wish you the best of luck.

Remember, love is what's left after lust fades away.......

Saint

Curious to those who have been to both Columbia and Brazil as to which is better in terms of meeting regular girls? I know I have seen some amazing Columbian women here and I just love the look Brazilian's have but I have heard the regular girls there are hard to meet?

If you have a choice where would you go first? I haven't been to either and was planning a trip soon.

California Guy,

It's kind of hard to answer that question as the answer depends on a lot of different things. What are you looking for with "regular girls"? Just sex? Relationship? I've been to Brazil 7 times last year and only been to Colombia once so I'm probably not the best person to ask but I'll give my opinion anyway.

To score with the regular girls both places it's essential that you speak their language. You don't have to be fluent but have to communicate enough to communicate. It's almost impossible to pick up a normal girl in both places without being to at least speak a little.

I'd say Colombia is easier to pick up normal girls if you have some game. I got about 5 phone numbers of regular girls walking around ChipiChape mall. In Brazil I've met a few normal girls too. My Portuguese isn't nearly as good as my Spanish but enough to get by. Portuguese is really tough so if you don't already speak Spanish it will be tougher to learn.

Both are good places to go though. If you haven't already started Pimsleur I'd highly recommend it. It's a good audio course. They have 90 lessons for Brazillian Portuguese and 100 lessons for Spanish. Good luck.

Saint

Saint,

Thanks for the info. I just know a couple Columbian women and they are amazing. I love the dark skin and these girls have great figures as well, more athletic and model types.

At the same time I love the attitude of Brazilian people. The women to me are just gorgeous because again the dark skin and good bodies on some, well the ones South :) I am in California, as you can see by my names, and met a Brazilian girl here a couple years back. Unfortunately I spent little time with her as she had to go back do to finishing school. I know most of the girls that come here are a bit snobby but I have been told this isn't the case with girls down in Brazil. I guess the ones who come to the US have money and by the time they arrive here thee are too many guys hitting on them so their heads get big.

I have some game but I just work a lot and don't have much time to do anything here. Plus as you can see I really prefer those type of women and there just aren't many here or they are taken. I am still in my late 20's and make a decent living as well. I am sure money has some importance but with normal everyday girls I doubt it means everything.

It sounds as if you like Brazil, 7 times :) Have you been to Argentina? I have heard the women their are just as beautiful. Columbia would be great but it definitely worries me a lot so I am not sure about my concerns. If I found a traveling companion or something I would think about it but I would rather go some place I am less concerned about being beaten, robbed, etc...

I will be going to Europe as well this Summer so if you have any favorites maybe send me an IM or just reply, I also posted a message on the Prague and Ukraine boards. I am thinking about going to both, maybe moscow instead of Kiev, but I am not sure if I want to go to Russia. The women in Eastern Europe are beautiful as well but the skin isn't what I prefer, love the tan girls, still I would like to have fun. I guess Germany has a good mix of girls as well and I only hear good things about it.

Okay well any sites for Brazilian or Argentinian women? Maybe your favorite spots as well? Plus check my Europe posts and maybe you can give some imput their.

Thanks!

California Guy,

Have I been to Argentina?? Ha, ha. That's funny. Yes, I've been there over a dozen times in two years. Go to the Buenos Aires section. It's the most active section on WSG. My first report was back in late April 2002. You can read it in the archives.

You are right about the Brazillians already here. In fact, once most sweet girls hit the US border the girls network kicks in and the girls quickly find out what they can get and they change. I'm not saying all of them but the majority of them. Do you know who the most powerful group is in the USA? Nope. Not lawyers, doctors, politicians. It's a strikingly beautiful woman. They can get anything they want if they are smart about it.

I'm not going to list any sites for BA. Go to that BA section. There is more information on Buenos Aires than any other city. It's still my favorite city. Has everything.

As far as Europe, I've hit Europe about 6 times in the past 6 months. I think you might like Lugano, Switzerland. Go back and read my reports. The best of both worlds. I met lots of Brasileras there! Plus the city is beautiful. I'm hitting Amsterdam/Paris/Prague in May for two weeks so that will be yet another European adventure.

Colombia had the best looking girls overall in the normal non P2P scene. Not in the P2P scene though. Brazil and Argentina have much hotter girls in the hobby overall but the average girl walking around on the street in Colombia is more attractive. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

Saint

Saint,

Hey thanks again. I will check your messages and see what is going on. I'm definitely hitting up Prague as well this year but not until Fall. I am not sure but maybe Kiev or Moscow because I have heard they are good, well at least Kiev. Of course that was from a local so I am not sure how much to believe? I know everyone who has been to prague has only good things to say, at least about the city itself. To me I don't mind if the women are too expensive or not that attractive in a place like that because I will just enjoy the scenery, though a couple hotties helps :)

No doubt the South American section is my next trip and the women to me are just the best looking. Columbia scares me so I will probably just head down south and see what Brazil and Argentina has to offer, plus I have friends from both locations so I can probably get hooked up. Actually I know a hot girl from Columbia as well but she can't go back, visa, so other than her I would be out of it going their.

Okay well I look forward to your reports and I will post mine as well. Take care and have a good trip.

Cali

California Guy, FYI the country is called "Colombia".

Is Colombia safe to go to right now? If it is, which has gives a better experience: Colombia or Cuba? Which is safer/more hassle free? I know in Cuba many speak English. Is this the case in Colombia? I am Canadian, so going to Cuba poses no problems.

And now my main question: where is it easier/cheaper to get laid? I'm still young and attractive, so I might have hopes of getting freebies- where is this more likely?

Sorry about the deluge.

Thanks,

Syl

Sylvan,

I don't know how soon till you're leaving, but answers to all your questions and more, are right here. Just like it is on the cuban board. It just takes a little diggin, or a lot of diggin, but it's all there.

Don't pass up on the colombian expierence! enjoy....



eric7

ALL - FARC is out bombing the hell out of different areas of the country (Northwest Colombia (normally safer)). Many dead and many wounded.

This to celebrate the 40 anniversary of their start of the "war."

Please see the link below for the CNN story:

http://us.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/23/colombia.attack.ap/index.html

Good Luck and please be safe. Gringos are easy to spot and although that might help you with the ladies, it also makes you an easy target for the FARC.

$Bill

Here is some more info on the attacks:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/24/colombia.40.years.ap/index.html

Please be safe!

$Bill

For a long time now I have been reading about Colombia and how the mongering experience there is exceptional. Problem is...I have also read about the safety concerns that are apparently a part of daily life.

Recently, I've read some brief comments on the board that indicate that things may have turned around a bit as far as safety compared to past years, but there is nothing written on the boards that is very definitive on the subject.

I am planning a trip to Costa Rica for July 1st, but the lure of Colombia keeps coming back to haunt me. The recent posts concerning Costa Rica and the level of experiences there have me wondering if I wouldn't be just as happy in Monterrey, Mexico, where I visit quite frequently. Apparently the quality has suffered in Costa Rica, and frankly, it has me somewhat concerned that I will be wasting my money. I know there are also other venues that offer great experiences...BA, Brazil, etc...but, I am limited on the amount of flight hours and total time that I have to devote to my hobby. If that were not the case, I would merely hop on a plane to Bangkok again and be done with it. Of course, the latin experience is not something you can obtain in SE Asia, and I dearly love latina women. So.............

I have studied the board on Colombia, and the GFE and chica quality seems to be much better in Colombia than in Costa Rica. I would sincerely love to visit Colombia, but I am scared shitless! If it weren't for the safety concerns, I would go there instead of Costa Rica without hesitation. It is not too much farther away than Costa Rica, and it seem doable.

So, does anybody really know what the safety situation is at the present time? Are the statistics in my favor. I know you can't extend any guarantees, but will I be safe if I choose to visit Colombia (ie: kiddnappings, bombs, official harrassement over drug running, crime, and the list goes on and on? You guys have scared me shitless!!!!

Furthermore, which of the cities offers the best hunting ground in terms of GFE's, price, and level of effort required to find the GFE. I am looking for the perfect venue in Colombia, the least expensive cost for chicas, the highest quality available, and the perfect GFE experience. I'm not asking too much am I (HAHAHAHA!!!!) ;-) I'm wondering which of the mongering destinations in Colombia offers the closest to an experience that might be typically had in Thailand. But I realize there is really probably nowhere that can compete with the experiences I've had in Pattaya. Never-the-less, I would like to know which mongering venue in Colombia comes the closest to that level of performance.

I know these questions can be researched on the board, and I have thoroughly looked at the postings on the board prior to asking these questions. But, the reports seem to be relatively outdated. That is, due to the level of instability, the posts are not consistent about the level of experience you might encounter if you visit Colombia now, today. I guess it's because of the relative instability of Colombia, that there is really nothing presently on the board that would indicate that it is any safer now to visit than it was a couple of years ago...and, a couple of years ago, it was considered pretty dangerous for a US citizen to visit Colombia.

I am looking for comments from all you who visit Colombia on a regular basis; all of you seasoned and experienced Colombia mongers. I need to know what you think. If you believe I should go for it, then I really want to be convinced, but only if it is "relatively" safe to visit. Please tell me like it is...Thanks in advance.

Hi There,

Well this would be my first official post, I've only just recently stumbled upon this website much to my disapointment. I'm plannin a lonewolf trip through to the Americas especially Colombia for the xmas holidays. I'll hire a bike and see if I can motor my way too as much places as possible to find the cheapest and tastiest latina snatch! LOL, in a record time of 2 weeks I'm off to Bulgaria soon. Apparently its quite a good place for pickin up some gyspsian hardbodies thought a bit of that would dedinitely wet me appetite.

I couldnt help add, that I think this website is a most informative site and their are some very seasoned and helpful mongers out there, taking the time to share their knowlege with us.

Cheers,

Any way if someone is interested in trip to Colombia during Xmas period give us a shout see if we can sort someting out.

Laters

Dusty

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Dusty: Do a google search on "Striking viking" BEFORE going to Colombia, OK? HE was a hardcore toughguy biker who was only released by the guerillias after high level governmental intervention. Do NOT count on getting the same type of special intervention. If you STILL decide to bike around Colombia, please email me so I can take out a life insurance policy on you (though I know they won't pay until your body is located-kidnapping is NOT a covered risk).

Does anyone know of any good sites for chatting with Columbian women?

Thanks for your help.

DfB

amigos.com

DFB,

Try this one colombia.com/chat.

A good NON-MONGERING (non-competing) website is:

www.amigos.com

You will need to be able to write in Spanish though!

$Bill

ps - my friend is excellent in Spanish and he has many women that he has met, CALLING him from different parts of the world because of that website.

34 KILLED IN COLOMBIA MASSACRE -

Farm workers in the Dept. of Norte de Santander - but this story still talks about an area that a monger might venture into and could be of interest to someone on this board.

See link below for story.

http://us.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/06/15/colombia.massacre.ap/index.html

$Bill

Gee Dollar Bill, thanks for the one man terror campaign. ;>)

Should I post this response only in the General section, or, should I respond in every section so that everyone can enjoy my jaundiced view of the world?


Cheerio,
Ferolga

Dick for brains,

Also try www.cybercupido.com NOT A MONGER SITE. You will need to know spanish though. Post your picture and they will come to you! There are 20,000 Columbianas on their web site. VEIW THE PICS. I used this site prior to visiting Peru and it got me real GFE's. There are many Columbianas who contact me regularly 2-3 a week unsolicited. I highly recomend this site, although it requires payment to join. But worth every penny.

Buena suerte!

Dick4brains: Match.com has a Latin American version which has a translator (English to Spanish of course). Cybercupido has its strength and weaknesses (like only 1 SMALL -no more than 50kb- photo versus 5 larger format pictures on other sites like www.meetic.com (match.com is 3 I think). Let's face it, the pictures are the most important thing as you can learn way more about personality from talking on phone than reading a written profile, MANY of which tell you almost nothing about her.

Belmont

Cypercupido is free to join, free to use, view, write to profiles and respond to messages. However, a paid membership gives advantages f.ex. unlimited daily message replies.

Most of the women on the site are also free members. Many are very attractive. Very few are actually GOLD members.

Re cybercupido, free members limited to 2 emails per day 20 plus viewing of 20 pictures. Also, you can only email girls if you are within their preferred range of ages. Finally, a fair number of chicas have their fotos designated as "private" and/or only receive messages from Gold Members.

Rex's post really made me think. I first went to Colombia to meet good girls. It was easy to do, but still had to meet 50 of them to find one I really liked, but at least in Colombia there are 50 to meet, cause I can't meet that many here in the U.S. in ten years!!

As far as bad girls go, I have often thought about what their lot in life is. I mean, don't they need love too I sometimes think. Or have they given up that emotion for the almighty dollar?

I know for me that I like mongering, but always feel a bit empty afterwards, sometimes a bit used. And also have those same crazy thoughts that she is going to be with some other guy the next day, or that same night!

So I gravitate back to the good girls, but end up with that same problem Rex has. The green grass theory. I think though I finally found someone I maybe could settle down with. It's taken forever. But she is such a good girl that I almost feel dirty to be with her! After all, I too have a past!

Sometimes I feel like moving to a foreign country and just "keeping" a woman there. or two!

Hell, I'm just as screwed up as Rex is! Not sure if I want to take the big jump into what all my friends have done. i.e., marrying good girls.

And then there is my best friend about now to marry a bad girl he met in Bogota, and I introduced them!

What a world!

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Bill

We all have our experiences from the past. The best thing to do is let the past rest. If the both of you are happy in your present lives, the past doesn't matter (hopefully not drugs or criminal).

I too have met someone. We did not meet in a bar or nightclub, therefore I would hope and prefer to think she is a non-pro. There was no exchange of money, however after 1½ months of emails she requested financial help since she lost her job. She has children.

I think about my novia all the time. I've thought about her previous relationships before me and what she is doing since I last saw her. I can honestly say I do not want to know. Our future is more important. I will see her next week for 14 days.

Regarding mongering, you shouldn't feel used. She is providing a service you both agreed upon. It's mostly women whom feel used. So drop any guilt and go for your GF before you'll regret it. Good Luck.

Hi NYC,

Thanks for the post. Chances are your girl is a non-pro, as you say. I hope so. But it does bring up another subject. You said she is now asking for money. I have been there so many times and have found even the non-pros tend to work the guys a lot. There is such a tendency for them to think we are all rich! I taught english there and even the kids think we are all made of money!

The thing I always wonder about is "do they really like me or is it out of desperation", the same desperation that drives many to the pro profession.

A good friend of mine one told me "all women are *****s, just in different degrees"! In other words, we all pay, one way or the other, whether we rent them or marry them! In fact, he said, it's better to rent 'em!

Hi,

A friend asked me to post this. He is looking for a villa or something in Colombia. For a week. With a pool. He wants to get a few guys together and monger together. In fact, he wants to take a few guys down there, rent some pros for a week and one big fest! Swing and swap! Sounds like heaven to me. Anyone have any ideas on finding a villa or some such accommodatoins?

Bill12: Your friend is better off going to Brasil where festinhas are quite normal & accepted. That kind of thing will be MUCH less viable in Colombia IMHO.

Can women from Columbia travel to the U.S. on a visa that is not a fiance visa? In other words, if she already has a fiance visa, that she has not used; can she visit someone other than the fiance?

Thanks

Leif,

That is a good question. I don't have the answer. But in general I think it is quite tacky that she would try this. Chances are the first guy will be cancelling it before she even leaves, unless she has set him up, and it so, I would question her integrity. Either way, she only has six months to use it after it is issued. A sticky issue!

Please can some one tell me the best city in Columbia for:

The lighter skinned Columbians, a good party city with plenty of nightlife, and if possible a more English speaking city.

I am looking to add Columbia to Caracas and Buenos Aires for my next vacation.

Also thinking about Sao Paulo. Any comments there?

Thanks

Travelmen: Does not exist. Suggest you try Argentina.

Leif Erickson: You have OBVIOUSLY never dealt witrh the INS. Technically, it would be ilegal but if the fiancee never notified INS I SUPPOSE you might be able to pull it off. And YOU would not get in trouble, SHE would be permanently barred from the US and the fiancee would possible get billed for cost of deporting her (ifd that happened).

TravelMen,

Try Bogota. You will not find any English, but the chicas are very light-skinned. In a city of 7 million, you ought to be able to find a party at any time.

Cartagena is your best chance for English, but there isn't much. This resort town parties 24/7. Chicas from CTG are generally darker but there are some lighter ones and chicas come here from all over Colombia looking to hook-up with a non-Colombian.

Actually you only really find many darker-skinned chicas along the Caribbean coast.

For your first visit, I would strongly suggest CTG. I live there about 6 months a year and had no trouble with limited Spanish skills when I first came.

In Dcember I go to Brazil and I am thinking about combining it with a stay in Colombia. The advantage in Clombia would be that I speak spanish. My main reason of going to Clombia are the chicas but I want to do some other things too. I want to travel around by bus and my targets are Bogota, edellin, ali and the north coast. How are the women compared to Bazilians? Are there any cheap fucking options because I am on a small budget?

Thanks for helping a first timer in Colombia!

Regards,

Kuranyi

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Thanks tomtom

Would you know if Columbia beats Sao Paulo?

If not much English is spoken ten I am at a loss from the start.

Whats is it like for hooking up with other women on holiday there?
If it is a party place are there drunken foreign women about to have a go at?

Kuranyi:

Even if your Spanish is perfect, I would not advise a first-timer to travel by bus. Travel between large cities by plane and don't leave the city. Bogota is probably the cheapest city. With some game and good Spanish skills, you can get laid for the price of a few drinks.

I have yet to visit Brazil.


TravelMen:

There aren't many foreign women, but you won't need them. There are more than enough hot Colombianas who are willing and eager. In La Dolce Vita in CTG, the only Spanish you need is vamos(let's go).

Yea, travel by bus in Colombia is not a good idea. Domestic air travel is relatively cheap.

Cartagena is the the way to go for a newbie. I would only advise thinking about other cities if your have decent conversational (ie. better that a 5 year old)spanish skills and/or some previous Colombia experience. Don't even think about it if you have little or no 3rd world travel experience.

Colombia is NOT for amateur tourists although you could probably manage it in Cartagena. You won't get as much out of the experience as someone who sorta knows how to make things happen in 3rd world or South American countries.

Kuranyi

Cali is pretty inexpensive. You can laid for about 27,000 pesos at most local brothels. Houses will cost from 35k to 150K depending on the place. Most are listed in the forum. Hotels downtown can be had for 55,000 pesos a night. Try Imperial not bad pretty safe and clean folks there are pretty nice. Its not the Ritz or the Trump Plaza but for $22 US its great. Make sure you get the room without breakfast otherwise they will tag on an addition 10K pesos.

HAPPY C

Thanks for the infos! Now I am not sure whether I go to brazil and Buenos Aires or to colombia. Is there enough to do in colombia for 2 months? How much are the national flights? How are are the chicas compared to brazil and BA? Can you get laid there with a different girl every day? What can you do besides pussy?

Regards Kuranyi

Can you tell me how Bogota compares with CTG?

Do many of the girls there speak English, being a city?

Would you know of a couple of accurate web sites with a sample of girls from CTG and Bogota, just to see what is available.

I like to meet the locals and have a go with the non pros in the clubs.
It seems Cali is out.
CTG sound like you get hassled all the time.

Could Bogota be an option? North Bogota sounds good.

Or am I better missing Columbia as a seperate trip and spending more time in BA?

I spent a total of 3 weeks in CTG. The women are worth the visit.
If you go to LDV, you don't have to speak Spanish. They will find their way to communicate with you. If you try the non-pros on the streets or bars, they will either talk limited English or ignore you.

As for the touts, there are plenty. Just ignore them. Don't make eye contact or quickly reply "no gracias". If that's too much, go elsewhere.

Thanks NYC

So what percentage of girls over all speak English?
It's just that I love to flirt in the noraml clubs first.

Does the quality equal this site in Bogota in general:

http://www.e-extasis.com/modelos.htm

The ones posted in the WSG photo section don't seem that great over all.

Don't worry about quality or quantity in any Colombian city. They are stunning. Almost no chicas speak English.

TravelMen

There are many people in Cali that speak english and there are many dance clubs pro and non-pro some of the best dance clubs exsit in Cali for all kinds of age groups. There is one on 49 and its reasonable to pick up because I have seen many single girls there. You need to learn some basic spanish to pick up. It might take a few dates before you get laid. There are also private social clubs that you have to be a member or have a friend that is a member. Many people in these clubs are well educated and have traveled abroad and speak limited good english. Private email me and I can give you the names of a few non-pro contacts that may be able to help if you interested in visiting Cali. CTG is excellent if you you want fast action go to LDV and there is a Casino right next door there are some non-pros in the Casino that you can date. I have dated a few non-pros I meet in the Casino, mind you there were in their mid-30's if you looking for 18-24 LDV have some excellent ho's that can be had for 100K pesos for a whole nighter.

Happy C

Latinas are super professional when it comes to scams. They are even better than the Russians. The latest scam is for the woman to tell you she has visited the U.S. and has a visitor's visa (which is next to impossible for a Columbiana to get). As in the case of my scammer, she asked me to send her 14 dollars for a fax machine. Who knew fax machines were so cheap in Columbia. LOL. The morale of my story is; don't get emotionally involved with these women, because they will take advantage of you in a heartbeat. Columbianas are very sneeky. I know not getting involved is hard to do, but you have to steel yourself. The first time a Latina asks for money, you have to drop them like a hot brick!

Buena suerte amigos.

Thanks for the info. Surfer and Bill12.

CTG does sound tempting.

www.e-extasis.com was mentioned in the Bogota section.

If any one has a chance to take a look, some of these girls look great.
Is this typical of the CTG quality?

Apart from looks, how do the Columbians compare to say the Brazilians or Argentinians.
Are they hotter, better at sex or what?

If LDV can match that site I shall go there, if not I may as well do Bogota and use that web agency?

Any comments guys?

TravelMen

No escort agency that I have seen from Colombia has real photographs of real escorts that really work with that agency. If the girls from the photos on e-extasis is what you really are looking for, I believe that you will be disappointed in Colombia.

You said that you were not impressed by the girls in the photo section. The photos in the photo section really represent what's really available.


But do go to Colombia. Do Cartagena and Bogota. I have learned over the years that no matter how much my trips have sucked --and some have been right out of Conrad's Heart of Darkness in terms of my emotional state at the end of trip-- I have been glad that I went.

Take advantage of the fact that your penis pulls you overseas. And in between sessions, try to go to the Gold Museum and learn something beyond, "Pesos por besos." [Money for honey.]

Ferolga

TravelC wrote: "There are many people in Cali that speak english." I can say that is NOT my experience, and my friend Antifreeze has lived there for several years and it is not his experience either. I must wonder if TravelC's experience in Cali extends much outside of the Hotel Intercontiental and the marriage agencies (places I have never been, but where I understand English is spoken). No offense to TravelC, but this opinion is SO different than ANY other I view it with GREAT suspicion. He does seem to know CTG a bit better.

Tip to the wise: The further you stay from English speakers, the better time you'll have in Colombia (provided your Spanish is up to snuff).

Travelmen: CTG (and the coast) has a higher % of darker girls than BOG, MDE, CLO etc. The strength of Colombianas is the ease of getting GFE. For pure sexual prowess, and uninhibited sessions (i.e. duplas, festinhas, completo etc. ), Brasileiras have no equal. Period. End of discussion.

Surfer,

I don't mean thousands of people. I travel there a lot to meet native Colombian friends that lived in North America and they all speak English. A lot of their friends also speak english. Just depends on the network you develop there. I have developed a reasonable network of friends that are mainly professionals educated in the US and Canada.There are pockets of people in various industries that work with North American companies and they all speak limited english. Of course you are not going to find english speaking girls without some effort and they are generally not ho's. But I do agree if you want to improve your Spanish it is an excellent environment to do that. Thanks for all your great posts.

Happy C

Thanks guys

I checked some of the LDV club pics and some of them are great.
I am very tempted as the Sao Paulo threads sound very hit or miss.

I would be there in November.

How many girls at a guess would be at LDV per night?
How many 7 and above?

I would take a stab at 30-40 chicas per night in LDV except maybe Sun. Maybe 60-70% are 7s or above.

Nov. 1 - 15 is the Miss Colombia contest in CTG. It's a great party.

I have to agree with Surfer, Cali is not the place to look if you want to find english speakers. Colombia in general, in my experience, has a smaller percentage of english speakers than either Brazil or Argentina. I have toured the schools in several cities in Colombia and based on the condition of the educational system there it is a miracle that these kids speak spanish, much less english.

In my opinion, unless you have passable spanish skills, I wouldn't recommend Colombia, outside of Cartagena. Colombia is still a dangerous country and, notwithstanding our hobby, spanish skills, keeping a low profile and common sense are basic survival tools. I have personally known several people with none of these basic tools that have landed themselves in bad situations in Colombia. Just my opinion.

As far as questions about how many girls are above 7's, that's a subjective question that is impposible to answer. If you liked the photos that were posted you'll likely find quite a few chicas that will make you very happy.

I also have to agree with Surfer, no other women in the world can compare with the Brasilieras for lack of inhibitions, pure sexual appetite and energy. Just writing about it brings a smile to my face.

Thanks guys.

Well, I must visit CTG.

Just means less nights in BA and some basic Spanish.

Question pertaining to race:

I do not want to make a big deal about this so by all means , if you can not help just dont respond. I am contemplating a trip to Cali in December. I am told that I would be suprised by the # of black women there. I like black latinas. Is this true ? Also. How receptive are the woman to black men in general ? Is it like Brasil where darker skin is sometimes the preference or like the DR where many of the the girls are black but just dont know it? From my experience the only color that really matters is green (or whatever multi color currency is in use) but Im hoping that I can find a good GFE or maybe even a wife. Hell you never know right? Im not a guy who overpays or puts my heart into these girls but Im told that the women in Cali may be worth it. .

Curry,

I was in Cali over the summer and saw a few hot black colombians at this salsa club (vienee teija? or Teijas Viende-something like that). But at most clubs on the avienda sexta, didn't see as much. In the Casa, you'll see a few here and there, one tall hottie was working at Faron(or the one next door).

One black guy from the states did write on another board how he was denied entrance into a Mr. Frog (or something) in Barranquilla. While they let everyone else in, they told his GF brother the real story. But I think most of colombians can tell the different between US black & COL black(which are discriminated against). Being from the US, they'll view you as gringo first, because you'll dress&fact different, plus have money to spend. If you want to met black non-pros, I recommend using various latin dating sites and writing to ones you are interested in. That way, you'll have a local contact when you're down there, who can show you around, and give you the low-down on if any race issues.

BTW, I took out a black non-pro on a date, no one bat an eye. CTG has black than Cali, but I was told that Cali had large population, even the mayor is. Hope this help.

I second that Leif E......200%....!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said bfeore Colombia is a great country (if you stick to certain rules) for mongering. But to look for a lifepartner???

NAAAAAAAAAA don't think so!
Indeed many Colombians do have a very HARD time in getting a visum. Right now turist visas (for up to 90 days stay)for EU Schengen area is damn near impossible. Certainly when they are females between 18-40 years old....!!


Johan


[QUOTE=Leif Erickson]Latinas are super professional when it comes to scams. They are even better than the Russians. The latest scam is for the woman to tell you she has visited the U.S. and has a visitor's visa (which is next to impossible for a Columbiana to get). As in the case of my scammer, she asked me to send her 14 dollars for a fax machine. Who knew fax machines were so cheap in Columbia. LOL. The morale of my story is; don't get emotionally involved with these women, because they will take advantage of you in a heartbeat. Columbianas are very sneeky. I know not getting involved is hard to do, but you have to steel yourself. The first time a Latina asks for money, you have to drop them like a hot brick!

Buena suerte amigos.[/QUOTE]

Leif and Johan are 100% correct. I am convinced Colombians (Male and Females) are the BEST scam artists on Earth! Some of the Sh*t they can come up with to get money out of you is incredible!

The women are better at it of course, especially when they have a dumb gringo on the hook.

There are a number of good girls in Cali if you have the patience. Look at the photos from the local clubs in Cali. Wow! Some of those girls are hot. Spanish is a much easier language to learn than English. We have millions of Spanish speaking people in California. Of course Brazil girls are great at sex, but most can not speak English and Portuguese is not a common language in the US unless you live in certain parts of Miami. If you are talking about a GFE, think about how hard it is to speak the language. I have known many Brasilian ladies and they have just as many scams as the Colombians. In the end, love is where you find it. For pros...well you just can't beat Brazil in that area. Colombia has something for everyone if you have the patience.

Dear All,

I am planning a trip to South America, including Colombia, in January.

I would like to know if the girls there are doing usually uncovered BJs or if this is hard to find.

I am asking, because for example in Russia it will be hard to find a girl who is not offering that service, and I just like it.

It would be great to get an answer.

Thanks in advance,

Simon

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Can anyone offer any advice in regards to cities and places that are safe and are a MUST seeversus places to avoid? I am an Americano with conversational spanish skills but I have never been in Colombia. Being affiliated with certain official US organizations (and having lived in the hostile Middle East) I am concerned, almost paranoid, with security concerns and kidnap for ransom plots. Being blond and very fair skinned I do stick out, although I can handle my own when the shit hits the fan.

I have tried to scour this sea of information that is available in the forum, but the Columbia forum is like finding a needle in a haystack; furthermore the upgrade Jackson is performing is hampering my search. Some brief information before I go would be appreciated and will be repaid with a comprehensive trip report when I get back.

Cheers,

J

I'd like to echo Tolstoy's query. As a blond clearly-American guy, I'm a bit scared by the stories and State Dept. warnings about violence/kidnappings in Colombia. I understand that Cartagena is quite safe but what about other places, like Cali? It will be my first time going there so I'd also appreciate any advice.

[QUOTE=Doc Bill]I'd like to echo Tolstoy's query. As a blond clearly-American guy, I'm a bit scared by the stories and State Dept. warnings about violence/kidnappings in Colombia. I understand that Cartagena is quite safe but what about other places, like Cali? It will be my first time going there so I'd also appreciate any advice.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately America media does not begin to show the world outside. It is easier to claim that America is the best country in the world if the populace in general has nothing to base this on other than what the media lets us see.
If you are in the US and have Direct TV I recommend World Link TV, as well as NWI for a more balanced view of the outside world.
Yes America is a wonderful place to live and in some ways it is the best, but in many others it lags behind much of the world. Perhaps if the leaders in the US looked at where Britain was 100 years ago and the mistakes she made they would not make many of the same errors in foreign policy.
Colombia is a wonderful country, and yes it is not the safest country in the world, but there are parts of the country where you can feel quite safe. Colombian people are what make Colombia so special for most who have visited.
Thank god there is the Internet and forums such as this, which for the most part portray Colombia through the eyes of those who live there or have visited & have firsthand knowledge.

Thanks, Tomcat. Can anyone specifically address safety issues in Cali? Thanks!

Doc Bill,

I think you must be careful just like anywhere else but I really felt at ease in Cali. If you read my old trip reports from there you'll see that I explored really all parts of the city. I walked around alone at night in various different areas and never felt threatened. I went into the mountains and had a nice experience. I think as long as you're not being an "ugly American" you will be fine. Honestly, I felt safer in Cali then I felt walking around in Rio at night.

Cali is not a beautiful city though. If you're going to enjoy just the girls, there are better places for hobby action. Perhaps the best thing about Cali is the normal everyday girls in the malls, stores, etc. The people of Cali are truly some of the nicest out of anywhere I've been in the world. Still, I could never live there and after meeting you I doubt you could either.

Cali is a place you go to get to know the culture there. I'm not dying to go back there but I certainly enjoyed my time there. I plan to travel more throughout South America in the future and Colombia is a country that I'd like to see more of and I plan on it.

Good luck.

Saint

I have browsed through the reports for the 3 cities. I will probably be in Ecuador in June and want to visit Colombia (because of the great looking women - of whom I saw many in Costa Rica). But I can't decide among the 3 places! Each seems to have advantages and disadvantages (not to mention conflicting reports). Any advise will be much appreciated. I am mainly interested in mongering - any touristy stuff would be a time killer till mongering hours start. I have been to several countries in the world. My Spanish is limited but I did OK in CR with my translator. Can any of you more experienced folks suggest which of the three Colombian cities I should visit? Or, should I even go to Colombia? Should I stay in Ecuador (I mongered a little in Quito last June). Or perhaps go to another South American country? I wish I could say money is no object, but it is to some extent - tickets to Brazil and Argentina from Ecuador are pricey. Thanks in advance for any help.

Cheers.

Crypton

Not saying it will be like the old days when a high profile extradition would start a series of violent reprisals, but IMHO prudence says be EXTRA careful if you are lucky enough to be in Colombia linda right now.

Notorious drug kingpin heads to U.S.
Friday, December 3, 2004 Posted: 9:47 PM EST (0247 GMT)

BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) -- Drug kingpin Gilberto Rodriguez Orejuela was taken under heavy guard Friday to a military airfield for a flight to the United States to face trial for drug trafficking.

The leader of the once-feared Cali drug cartel is the most powerful Colombian trafficker to ever be put on trial in the United States.

"Those who violate federal drug laws should never believe that drug trafficking from outside our borders puts them beyond the reach of justice," U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft said Friday. "Rodriguez-Orejuela will now stand trial for his actions."

Soldiers and police brandishing rifles guarded a convoy that sped out of La Picota prison sped to a military airfield on the outskirts of the capital. Rodriguez Orejuela was reported to be in one of the vehicles.

Michael J. Garcia, an assistant secretary of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, said Rodriguez Orejuela will be "arguably the highest-level drug trafficking figure to ever occupy a U.S. prison cell."

The kingpin, whose hair has gone gray and who has turned chubby while in a Colombian prison over the past nine years, faces trial in federal courts in Miami and New York for trafficking cocaine and laundering money.

Nicknamed "The Chess Player" for his shrewdness, he and his brother Miguel founded and headed the notorious Cali cartel. In the 1990s, the cartel controlled 80 percent of the world's cocaine trade, earning $8 billion in annual profits, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency has said.

The extradition of Rodriguez Orejuela caps a 13-year investigation by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said Dean Boyd, an agency spokesman in Washington.

"ICE agents spent nearly 100,000 investigative case hours on this investigation since they launched it in 1991," Boyd said in a telephone interview.

However, it was for crimes Rodriguez Orejuela allegedly committed from a Colombian prison from 1999 to 2002 that led to the extradition. Under Colombian law, persons accused of trafficking drugs before December 1997 are not subject to extradition.

The U.S. agency said its first received information in 1999 that the Cali cartel had continued its drug and money laundering activities from within Colombian prisons. U.S. agents then launched a probe that linked the cartel to several seizures in Miami, Texas, and California, the agency said.

Uribe's rejection on Friday of the drug trafficker's appeal of the president's own November 8 decision to extradite Rodriguez Orejuela left the kingpin with no other legal recourse. Colombia's Supreme Court also authorized the extradition in November.

Rodriguez Orejuela, 64, was arrested in June 1995 in Cali, Colombia's third-largest city, where the cartel was based. Police found him crouching in a hidden closet in a luxury apartment. U.S. investigators believe he and his brother continued running trafficking operations from behind bars.

U.S. prosecutors in Miami say that up to 2002, the cartel sent tons of cocaine into the United States in shipments of concrete posts, frozen vegetables, lumber, ceramic tiles, coffee and chlorine cylinders.

In a recent interview with a Colombian magazine, Rodriguez Orejuela denied trafficking while behind bars.

"Colombia needs economic assistance from the United States and the U.S. government needs to showcase results in the fight against drug trafficking," he told Semana magazine. "My brother and I have a symbolic value in this context."

Unlike the rival Medellin cartel, which unleashed a war of terror on Colombia in the 1980s to avoid extradition to the United States, Cali's kingpins tried to buy respectability. They built up a network of businesses, including office and apartment buildings, car dealerships, a professional soccer team and the Drogas Rebaja national pharmacy chain -- which the government finally seized three months ago.

The Cali cartel contributed millions of dollars to former President Ernesto Samper's victorious 1994 campaign. The United States revoked Samper's visa, although he claimed ignorance of the cartel's donations.

Colombia's Supreme Court has yet to rule on a U.S. extradition request for Miguel Rodriguez Orejuela.

Uribe, who has vowed to bring the rule of law to a nation torn by 40 years of guerrilla warfare and drug trafficking, has authorized the extraditions of more than 200 Colombians in his two years in office.

Previous drug traffickers who have been extradited to the United States include former Medellin cartel leaders Fabio Ochoa, who in 2003 was sentenced in Miami to more than 30 years in prison for returning to the drug trade after winning amnesty at home; and Carlos Lehder, who was sentenced in 1988 to life without parole.

You should but BOG on your list. I've been to Cali, CTG, & BOG. Here's my quick take on it.

Cali is great for non-pro, the girls are very friendly and approachable but the pro scene is was great IMO, i thought BOG or CTG was better.

CTG is also great for non-pro, same type of girls as Cali, the pro scene was good(cheap, good service), but I heard that the price went up recently. The big draw back of CTG was the hot/humid weather.

BOG is OK for non-pro, the local BOG chicas were not as friendly as their Cali/CTG sisters, But if you are young and have good game then it shouldn't be a problem. The pro scene is great, point-and-click, user friendly. Tons of affordable casa from 4 girls to 40 girls, all different price point and service level.

Anyone know how easy it is to get hold of (legit!) Viagra and SSRIs in Colombia? Do the drug stores just hand them over or do I need a doctor's prescription?

Hey AddictedToWomen,

No proplem getting what you want at the Drug Stores in Colombia. You only need perscriptions for drugs/painkillers with narcotics in them. I suggest Cialas or the chewable/masticable Viagra like pills. Sorry the name escapes me now but if I remember I'll PM you.

Enjoy Colombia,

Rufus

Thanks for the reply, Caslug. Well..I am not that young and not a gringo. I am interested mostly in the pro scene. Don't have the time or patience for wooing chicas. Mostly interested in hassle-free, safe mongering with decent looking chicas. I will read the BOG board in more detail. Again, thanks for the advise.

Crypton

Thanks Rufus. Appreciated.


[QUOTE=Rufus]Hey AddictedToWomen,

No proplem getting what you want at the Drug Stores in Colombia. You only need perscriptions for drugs/painkillers with narcotics in them. I suggest Cialas or the chewable/masticable Viagra like pills. Sorry the name escapes me now but if I remember I'll PM you.

Enjoy Colombia,

Rufus[/QUOTE]

Hey AddictedToWomen and fellow Mongers,

The chewable viagra is called Eroxim Fast. The ingredient is 50mg sildenafil. Just ask for viagra masticables and should cost $13000 pesos for two. I find they take 5 to 15 mins to kick in, great for when you are checking out the chias in the casa. Since you don't need to take one until you have made your choice and you don't have to leave with yer pecker in hand if they are all fuglies.

How dangerous is Colombia to visit?

Hey ******,

I was in Cali for 1 month and Medellin for 3 months. Colombians are respectful people. Treat them the same way they treat you and you'll never want to leave. And I was in some real no go areas too but I don't recommend that to anyone but kept my mouth shut and nobody gave me a second look and I am as white as rice.

I was in Cali for 2 months and I never had a problem and never took off my Rolex or my Diamond rings and I would walk down ave 6 in the late night trolling for Streetwalkers. I am About 6 foot and 220lbs though, but I think the bottom line is, just use common sense, and don't pay attention to anyone or stop and talk to anyone but chicas. Most of the bad stuff I have heard was when someone was drunk and not able to use common sense.

Good Luck...Have fun

Master Monger

Common sense? My Rolex and diamond ring stay in the US when I am in Colombia. I live in Cartagena about six months a year and feel very safe. However, I would never wear gold or anything flashy. There is desperate poverty all around you. If your family were close to starving, would you attack anyone wearing a Rolex? I do not drink, either. And I am 6 feet, 270 pounds.

during the news segment, it was claimed that the actors [t.t. boy, nacho vidal and other veteran pornographers] were actually american soldiers that had paid the local "innocent" girls 1 to 2 million pesos for doing the videos.

the mayor of melgar was asked what he was going to do about these bad american soldiers that came to use and abuse the local girls. the poor man just doodled on his agenda and was speechless.


i know that i shouldn't believe anything that is shown on the telly, but it still bothers me to see this kind of false report.

i'm embarrased for univision. which is more than univision can do.

i hope it doesn't go beyond a badly researched segment.

U.S. National - Reuters


Mexican Drug Gangs Target U.S. Citizens for Kidnap

Fri Dec 17,12:37 PM ET U.S. National - Reuters



MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Marauding drug gangs in a violent Mexican border city have turned to kidnapping U.S. citizens for ransom as they seek to diversify their criminal activities, the U.S. government warned on Friday.



The U.S. consul in Nuevo Laredo, which lies south of the Rio Grande from Laredo, Texas, said 22 U.S. citizens have been either kidnapped or disappeared while visiting the city since mid-August.


The recent spike contrasted with an average of three or four abductions annually in the city in recent years, and has been linked by law enforcement sources to drug-cartel activity, consul Michael Yoder said.


"Narcotraffickers have now turned to kidnapping for ransom, and we felt that it gave sufficient cause for concern to issue a public caution," Yoder told Reuters in a telephone interview.


The border city serves as a major transit point for both legitimate trade goods and narcotics entering the southeastern United States from Mexico, and is a popular destination for day trippers and weekend visitors from Texas.


In recent months it has been gripped by violence as drug gangs from western Sinaloa state have attempted to wrest control of the lucrative cross-border cocaine and marijuana trade from the local Gulf cartel that operates in the city.


Yoder said the majority of the kidnap victims came from the south Texas area, and several had family living in Nuevo Laredo. Two were killed by their abductors and nine released, while a further 11 remain missing.


"We don't even know if these are the real numbers, as not everyone who receives a ransom demand is prepared to come forward. It could be higher," he added.


Reuters contacted police in Nuevo Laredo for comment, but no one was immediately available.


Rights groups say 42 people have been snatched off the streets of the city this year in a wave of kidnappings, while 32 people have been killed in drug-related violence

Tomtom: I TOTALLY agree with you about avoiding conspicuous displays of wealth in a place where many are DESPERATELY poor. It IS "common sense".

However, I don't care how big you are, or how tough you THINK you are, a wimpy little punk with a revolver often will humble (or kill) even the toughest machista. Most Colombian men DO carry guns by the way, while if you do so as a foreigner and the PN catch you . . . . .

I was thinking about going to Colombia, and reading throiugh the posts here i found Bukek's idea (in the Cartagena section) to know someone through an internet dating site before departing quite good.
I was thinking: has someone in here already tried to get in contact (with a chica) in order to let her conclude the apartment deal before your arrival, and get a local's price instead of a gringo-price for an apartment rental? Reading through these post i was a bit shocked to see that local girls paid less for a month than a gringo for a night in the same apartment-house.

Bukek: what's that dating site you inscribed yourself in?

cheers!

"local girls paid less for a month than a gringo for a night in the same apartment-house."

I think you read something wrong. They could have paid somewhat less, but not that much. If you are that interested in getting a deal, make a reservation for one night. Then go shopping.

Do not contact some chica on the Internet to make arrangements.

Juan Ventura at [url]http://www.zepelion.com/apartamentos/index.htm[/url] can arrange a good apartment for US$40 to 60 per night depending upon what you get.

Looking for an bank in Colombia without the low limit on ATM withdrawals.

So far the best I could find was BanColombia who give 400,000 per transaction.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

I don't think that you will do better than 400K per transaction. Many ATMs that I know have reduced their max from 400 to 300. It must have something to do with security as Colombian banks do not charge for the transactions.

I found a US credit union that does not charge for transactions. Then it really is just a matter of a few extra keystrokes to get your US$500 daily limit.

I have been reading the reviews and like what I have read. I have been to Costa Rica many times and have enjoyed the company of Colombianas.
I want to go to Colombia but don't know where to fly to first. So my questions are
1) What city should I fly to? I am coming from Newark.
Bogota? Cali, Medellin?

2) Hotel, are they monger friendly? Should I arrange for the hotel to pick me up at the airport ( is that possible?)
What hotels should I go to?
3) I speak Spanish fluently, so I think I should be pretty mobile but want to be safe. Any recommendations for me.

I would greatly appreciate it.

Hello fellow mongers,

I have only posted a few times on here, but have lurked well over a year. I must say that I spend alot of time browsing the pix.

And based on some of the pix, I can tell which mongers have the same taste as me. For example, Master Monger and Saint are completely on point with me!!!!! There are many other mongers that also have the same taste as me, but whom I have forgotten their names (mainly from the Asian pictures).

In any case, I feel that from the pix, I think that I would have a great time in Colombia, Argentina, Brazil, and/or Peru (in that order).

I have never actually travelled anywhere simply for mongering duties (and the idea turns me on). I would be travelling alone, and predict about a 2 week stay. I plan on taking many digital pix (around 500), as well as bring along alot of nylons (stockings and pantyhose). I love women in nylon so this is a must. I do not speak Spanish though....

I like the GFE experience and would be interested in the following activities (in order of preference):

Meeting regular young chicas on the street or well-known pick up joints

Having hotel staff send me regular girls, or even workers from the hotel!

Escort agencies (although this is my last choice, I must admit that the Platinum website (Argentina) is loaded with babes, so I would be willing to just blow my dividends all there!)

My question: Regarding my camera, will authorities verify the contents of my camera when I exit the country? Also, when entering any of these countries, will airport authorities check my bags, and if so, if they discover these pairs of nylons (still wrapped), could they legally do something to me..?

These questions are very important to me, so i would appreciate any feedback from you veterans regarding these aforementioned questions or any other comments about my interests. thx boys!

I am from Canada, and I 'm hoping to become a more integral member on WSG. I'm wishing I can add more to your already wonderful message board.

Please do not make the mistake I made of leaving behind your YF certificate if you intend to travel directly between Colombia and Brazil.

No amount of bribing let me get to my plane (Avianca) as I was told I would be returned to Colombia immediatly by brazilian inmigration. The options are to have the jab again and wait 10 days for a certificate or to reschedule your flight to Brazil via a third country, as I did. Luckily the ground staff of Avianca and Aerolineas Argentinas in Bogota were highly efficient and rescheduled the whole thing with no extra cost.

Hello All,

I've been a frequent viewer of site for some time. I've done some mongering in North America but never south america. I've planned a trip to Colombia in the next 3 to 4 months. Now i've taken the liberty, to read all the prior post for information and tips as to what to look out for and how to be safe in Colombia.

1) Does anyone recommend a good resource/tool for learning basic spanish?
2) What is the best city for non-pro action?
3) What is the best city for pro action?
4) Is barranquilla any good? I hear it is one of the safer cities, is that true?
5) Does anyone know of any reviews/horror stories for marraige agency in Colombia? e.g. [url]www.barranquillagirls.com[/url] ...etc

Thanks, fellow mongers

KingAdam

Hi Guys,

I will have a good time shagging in Bogota and Cartegena thanks to the good feedback that I have received from my fellow mongers. However, I'll be working in Manizales and I hear that it is a college town and lots of fun. But is there anything or any place in specific that anyone can mention that should be visited?

Thanks for the information,

Yeah Baby

I am traveling to Cartagenia, and will stay in Bogota for a night both ways. Any reccommendations for hotels, and clubs for a little entertainment while I am there? It would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Mister Solo]Barranquilla is a good city for both pro and non-pro.It is one of the safest cities in Colombia,without saying that you don`t have to be careful about what you do and where you go.

I recomend you hooking up with a local to help you. Read the Barranquilla section.There is enough information there.

And Lastly all agencies are a waste of money, only good for the American men that own them. There are cheaper ways to finding the perfect woman. Good luck. Mr. Solo.[/QUOTE]Thanks, for your recommendation. If I end up going to Colombia then for sure i'm going to barranquilla. I've yet to decide on a city for sure, but i'm going some place I got that vacation itch.

Hello mongers.

What should I pay for travel between Florida and CTG? I've got an avianca deal from FLL for around $750.

Anyone know of better deals?

Travelling there on 3rd June-10th.

Are there cheap "love motels" for those mid afternoon 3-somes your hotel gets snotty about as in Costa Rica or Rio?

Always specials on avianca.com for about $400. Even AA should be no more than $500. Flky the nonstoip to Barranquilla and take a taxi to Cartagena. You are getting fleeced.

Hello all,

Those who are flying Avianca to Colombia. Miami is a no smoking airport, but good news how get a puff before boarding. After you go through the final secuity checkpoint, there a sports bar directly ahead. Have a seat. You'll see the bathrom. Just use the unisex 1. Lock door, have a puff or 2 or 3, and walk out. The bartener told me about it. Shes from Medellin. It was perfect.

I am curious about all you guys meeting girls on amigos.com. I have never had much success with that website, though I have had plenty of success in person while actually in Colombia, dating in some cases, actual working models who are much younger than me. What are your secrets!? I am not a bad-looking youngish (35) guy with good spanish and spend a lot of time in Medellin and a job (professional photographer) which I would think would appeal to lots of girls down there.

I wonder if I need to lower my standards for amigos, where I am admittedly looking for the hottest women I can find.

Thanks,

SL

Don't waste your time. If you spend a lot of time in MDE, just be pleasant, and it will come to you.

I totally agree with what Tom 33 says ...

Especially if you speak Espanol like you said ... meeting girls is not a problem.

Don´t spend all your time in the "rich" areas though ... like Poblado ... Tesoro Mall ... try some of the other areas ... you´re more of a "movie star" there.

Amigos and the other sites ... maybe ... once in a while you can find a nice chica ... mostly ... waste of time and energy.

It´s fun while in the US ... practice spanish writing them, etc ... but you´ll find way better just exploring ... and not gringo hunting chicas from Amigos ... my opinion of course.

The biggest probl in Medellin ... or Colombia for that matter is ... really ... especially if you speak spanish ... is not having too many chicas.

Really, with the jealousy, once you start meeting these chicas ... it can get interesting.

Suerte amigos.

A photog in Medellin and you're having trouble meeting chicas? This is too hard to believe. I agree with everyone about the net stuff being a waste of time.

I will be traveling from Bogota to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico on August 5 and returning to Bogota on August 12. Any information on the most economical airllines to use, and most convienent flight routes will be greatly appreciated, as I finding it will be taking me 2 days using Mexicana and Aeromexico directly out of Bogota.

Does anyone have any contacts in the travel industry that can get me reasonable airfare from the U.S for the period at or around July 14th. Everything I am finding is totally rediculous. I would be originating out of Minnapolis, Minnesota. In advance thank you for any information you can provide me!

Una chica mio was in an accident and would like to send some flowers. Anybody have any info or had any experience sending flowers?

Thanks,

Balashi

[QUOTE=Balashi Man]Una chica mio was in an accident and would like to send some flowers. Anybody have any info or had any experience sending flowers?

Thanks,

Balashi[/QUOTE]
PM and I will tell you. Peter.

Three options for you:
regalosdecolombia.com
daleflores.com
1vende.com
All can send flowers as well as cakes, teddy bears, etc. to various cities in Colombia. The instructions are mostly in spanish so it acan be a bit tough to navigate if your espanol is weak like mine...

I have been contacting chicas for about 2 months now in Colombia. It is amazing how easy they get addicted and open after a while their soul. It brings up some questions about organizing though.

I intend to visit Colombia next year (in 2006) in the period Carneval is on in Barranquilla. As it seems to be the place to be for that period of year. I heard many from all over Colombia are on holidays at that period in year .. and make their holidays in Barranquilla as well for this event. Though it is not only Barranquilla that has to be covered. Bogotà, Medellin, Cali are also on the listing. The more as I intend to come over to Colombia with 2 other friend - mongers. And as the chics keep flowing in from the dating sites and other resourses, I think it will be necessary at the end to make those stop overs after a descent sellection has been made. Now the question I have to those who are familiar with Colombia is : What is the best route to follow, the right order to follow?

1. Begin with Carneval in Barranquilla or ending overthere before hitting back the plane home?

2. What is the best order (financially seen) to visit the following sources : Bogotà (where we will land and leave), Cali, Medellin and Barranquilla.

3. How do we move the best from one city to the other, and what do we have to expect on airfares ? Any suggestions about this will be very welcome.

4. Is it possible to rent appartments in all those 4 cities for a short period of stay, (lets say 4 days in each city before we move on to the next location).
I have some girls that want to look for appartments. As we will be 3 and are looking for a 3 bedroom appartment/condo. Is this a thrustworthy situation ? Or is it better / more convenient to stick to standard hotels?

5. We will not take guides, the chica's i am contacting will be our guides. Meanwhile we will have a taxi that is trustworthy as the girl had a ride in it catching us from the airport, get cellphone # and all the necessary credibilities. To avoid problems of this kind. I did this the same way in Thailand and it is very convenient.

Thanks for any reply.

This is for all you colombian "Experts" I was looking at all the pertinent information on Colombia from the usual sources and websites like the state department site and the CIA factbook and then some things began to look not so right Bogota is a city of over 7 million, Cali 4 over million and Medallin about 2.5 million, I was planning a trip to Colombia sometime in Nov so I was researching information.
What begs the question for me is why a city like Bogota is so low on mongering reports like 300+ compare to 1100+ from cali and Medallin 500+ from my travelling experience the most populous city usually has the most amount of mongering opporunities are the Bogota girls cold or is there a mayor crackdown because it's the capital or there are hotter girls in areas outside the capital if anibody has any comments post up.

[QUOTE=Doombringer321]This is for all you colombian "Experts" I was looking at all the pertinent information on Colombia from the usual sources and websites like the state department site and the CIA factbook and then some things began to look not so right Bogota is a city of over 7 million, Cali 4 over million and Medallin about 2.5 million, I was planning a trip to Colombia sometime in Nov so I was researching information.
What begs the question for me is why a city like Bogota is so low on mongering reports like 300+ compare to 1100+ from cali and Medallin 500+ from my travelling experience the most populous city usually has the most amount of mongering opporunities are the Bogota girls cold or is there a mayor crackdown because it's the capital or there are hotter girls in areas outside the capital if anibody has any comments post up.[/QUOTE]
I would say that, it is because ther are prettier girls in Cali, Medellin, Barranquilla than Bogota. But due to security reasons, Barranquilla is No. 1 as the most tranquil city in Colombia.

Interesting assesment Peter Solano, I was not aware that there were such significant differences in looks among colombainas in Miami where I've lived all my life colombain women were FINE and they seem to come from everywhere Bogota, Cali, Medallin etc. there seem to be no difference as far as I was concerned, they are all a passionate and wonderfully pleasing on the downside they are jelous and fickle at the same time.

You know what they say " All chinese look alike to us" So I guess all Colombian women look alike to you, but here, we can tell the difference and be choosy. Cheers, peter.

The metro Cali population is closer to 2.4 million with 3 million in Medellin. I like the Paisas(MDE) best.

There are more chicas in Bogota. And they are hot. Bogota, however, is not. At an elevation of 9000 feet above sea level, the forecast high today is 64 and the low 50. The thin air bothers me as well. If you like cool weather and are younger(and in decent physical shape), try Bogota.

Peter - Don't know if I would call BAQ the most tranquil. With the greater police presence and naval base at the narrow point, I would have to call the Boca Grande penninsula in CTG more safe. But, as long as you avoid the hot spots(read: guerillas and paras), there is no bad place to visit in Colombia.

First: after Guayaquil (which I believe to be DB's normal hunting grounds), ANY Colombian ciy will seem like paradise.

Second: I like Bogota least of the big cities. It is the New York of Colombia. Not only is the climate cold, the people are somewhat cold/aloof and this includes the chicas.

Third: The Rollos are typically whiter than Costenas and Calenas, though there is great racial diversity.

Four: Costs-BOG is more expensive unless you go VERY low end (which is in dangerous areas). In fact, even the Zona Norte feels signifigantly less safe than the nicer areas of CLO, MDE etc.

I agree with DB that capital cities generally have more in terms of QUANTITY, but I do NOT garee that the best quality is there. In fact, quite the oposite in many cases (BA argentina is certainly an exception).

Finally, Peter's comment about BAQ being "the most tranquil city" in Colombia is, IMHO, wishful thinking. The Laguito/Bocagrande corridor is more secure by almost all acounts, so much so that even the paranoids at the State Department have dropped the travel advisory for Cartagena (not so for BAQ).
That bveing said, it is common criminals WAY more than paras or FARC that present the danger in BAQ and the other cities.

[QUOTE=Salsero Loco]I am curious about all you guys meeting girls on amigos.com. I have never had much success with that website, though I have had plenty of success in person while actually in Colombia, dating in some cases, actual working models who are much younger than me. What are your secrets!? I am not a bad-looking youngish (35) guy with good spanish and spend a lot of time in Medellin and a job (professional photographer) which I would think would appeal to lots of girls down there.

I wonder if I need to lower my standards for amigos, where I am admittedly looking for the hottest women I can find.

Thanks,

SL[/QUOTE]Salsero,

You ungrateful prick. lol! Guys you should see the “chimba” this guy gets through his work!

(This is meant as a joke as I know Salsero and no offence implied.)

Hola Rufus:
I used to spend quite a lot of time in Periera. I will probably be back in September after my Medellin trip this month.
What is the name of the hotel you are referring to? Is it the Sorotama, by any chance?
I'd be curious to know.
Senor Amable

Hey Senor Amable ... thank you mucho for the gift in Medellin ... your name here sums it up ... that was really cool of you.

Well ... I'm back in Venezuela ... I met this Venezolana ... at a McDonalds of all places ... and she is the hottest, sweetest chica I've ever met.

At least for now ... it's goodbye Paisas, hello Chamas ... hahaha.


Thanks again ... take care ... Suerte!

Hey Ricker:
Your More than Welcome. I trust the reading material, especially the material on FWA, "poner una risa en su cara."
You have it MADE!
I have to sit here three weeks a month in Hot,Humid South Florida, While you hit all the great spots.
I'm back in MDE on the 23rd for eight days. I'll probably return after the 15th of September for another week.
Have a good time in Venezuela . . .
Regards,
Amable

Yes ... I enjoyed the whole package Sr. Amable !

I'd like to say ... see ya in Medellin ... but I think my new home is Venezuela ... maybe we'll catch up in S. Florida ... I'm there a bit too.

suerte amigo! ... Ricker

Hey Amable,

I will be in Medillin on the !4 the of Sept and I have a lot of questions and I am meeting a woman there I met on the internet. But I seen some of the picture of Medillin and they were great and I want to have someone to kind of travel aorund a bit. I will be staying at the Medillin Mansion and I heard it was a little exspensive but I want to have a nice time. If you can send me some pictures of some of the girls you have been out with I would love to see them.

Thanks,

Tom

Optic Guard,

You frequently state a planned date of arrival in cities like; Kuala Lumpur, Cuernavaca and now Medellin as a pretense for getting specific information. Never, it seems do you bother to respond to those brethren that provide insight based on their personal experiences. Moreover, your lack of substantive reporting leads me to believe that you never actually visit. What gives?

In one of your earlier post, you state your preference for "swinging", yet this forum is not dedicated to that delight. And, you appear to be in need of a "travel partner" in many of these destinations. Now, I am not sure what it is you are swinging from, but if I were [b]Aussie G[/b] or other Mongers staying at the Mansion, I'd be more than a little concerned.

BTW (a) I find it ironic that you want to visit Cuernavaca to take Spanish lessons, while "...you actually live in Tijuana". Isn't Spanish the native language there too?

BTW (B) Pictures can be found in the photo section, if that's really what you're after.

[QUOTE=Optic Guard]Hey Amable,

I will be in Medillin on the !4 the of Sept and I have a lot of questions and I am meeting a woman there I met on the internet. But I seen some of the picture of Medillin and they were great and I want to have someone to kind of travel aorund a bit. I will be staying at the Medillin Mansion and I heard it was a little exspensive but I want to have a nice time. If you can send me some pictures of some of the girls you have been out with I would love to see them.

Thanks,

Tom[/QUOTE]See my report on Medellin visit in the Medellin section. Highly recommend the Mansion (although I stayed at the Penthouse).

Hey Optic Guard:
I really don't post pictures, simply because I don't take that many and or the ones I do take, I don't want all over the net or perhaps some guy meeting the chic and telling her he saw her picture on the net.
As far as Medellin, I won't be there on Sept 14, I leave well before that.
If there is specific info that you would like, regarding,Brothels,Restaurants or Hotels, I would be more than happy to oblige.
Bye the way the Medellin Mansion is a Great Deal and it's certainly NOT OVERPRICED!
Rgards,
Amable

Well I have been all over the world but, yes I do speak english and some spanish, but here in Tijuana a lot of people speak english and it is easy to get along with out spanish. As far Colombia goes I have been there are ready but not to Medillin. Cartegena and Monteria. I am sorry to scare you but I do like swinging and I will be going to thailand also in sept. I realize that many people have a lot to hide but I am not one of them If you come to Mexico I will treat you as a mongerand show you around. If you do not know about Tijuana than I should should tell you there about 70,000 Americans here and most do not speak spanish a lot. Learning more spanish is good because then you will understand everything is said not bits and pieces. I am sorry that you think everyone is out to get you and you are very afraid of everyone, for me that is no way to live.

I will be there on Sept 14 and even if I do not stay at the mansion there are other places to go.

Information is a very good thing and you do not want to share it just do not. If you think I am not telling the truth about where I have been We can look at my passport and I guess then you will understand I have nothing to hide, so be calm my friend and loosen up.

Sorry if you a very afraid.

Tom

Thanks for answering about Medillin and I am planning to get there in Sept then on to Pattaya and then back to Tijuana. It should be a nice vacation so I just need a couple questions. I am not very much of a person who writes a lot about there travels but I just like to get info i will know a lot more when I am there If you really wanted a lot of women to hook up there TRY Latinamericancupid.com it is great maybe 5 to 10 girls trying to meet me and that is why I need some info.

You can also try alt.com I am a member to and it is ok but not really that good.

Thanks,

Tom

Anyone out there have any experience/thoughts about shooting adult films in Colombia? The idea intrigues me, but I also wouldn't want to end up in Colombian prison. (I heard somewhere recently that some guys filming in Brazil were nabbed and thrown in jail).

Questions:

1. What are the laws in Colombia? Is prostitution legal?

2. Would many Colombian chicas be likely to appear in film, even (assuming they are working girls), if you are offering a much higher than usual fee? A lot of the girls working the clubs and massage parlours that I have met in the past are passing through a temporary rough patch, and are working for a few months only with plans of going back to school, etc.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

SL

[QUOTE=Salsero Loco]Anyone out there have any experience/thoughts about shooting adult films in Colombia? The idea intrigues me, but I also wouldn't want to end up in Colombian prison. (I heard somewhere recently that some guys filming in Brazil were nabbed and thrown in jail).

Questions:

1. What are the laws in Colombia? Is prostitution legal?

2. Would many Colombian chicas be likely to appear in film, even (assuming they are working girls), if you are offering a much higher than usual fee? A lot of the girls working the clubs and massage parlours that I have met in the past are passing through a temporary rough patch, and are working for a few months only with plans of going back to school, etc.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

SL[/QUOTE]
The main thing is to stay away from chid porn, laws here are getting pretty strict on that subject.

Getting the girls to be on films is not an easy nor cheap task.Most pros don`t even like to get their picture taken.

But running an ad in the paper, stating what you want that is "girls for adult videos" will get you contacts, be honest about the ad, this will prevent surprises and legal problems, and lastly try to keep a low profile and you should be okay and yes prostitution is allowed. Peter.

So prostitution is 100% legal in Colombia? Interesting. I mean, I always knew it was widely tolerated, but didn't know it was actually legal.

What would you guess a girl would charge to appear in a film?

The newspaper ad idea is a good one, thanks. And I agree that being completely upfront in any ad is the way to go. Save a lot of time and hassle.

I would not dare to say it is legal, but it is tolerated. About what a girl would charge? I have no idea, you should run the ad first to see what kind of responses you get and then take it from there,I could help you do that in Barranquilla, but I know that the paper requires a photocopy of your passport prior to publication. Peter.

[QUOTE=Peter Solano]I could help you run the ad in Barranquilla, but I know that the paper requires a photocopy of your passport prior to publication. Peter.[/QUOTE]
The photocopy of your passport is only required by the paper in THIS kind of ads. Not in the regular " American seeks ladies for comanion or serious relationships".

If interested PM and I will give you all the information you need. Peter.

Keeping a low profile while inserting a 'clasificado'? How can that be? I think that's a contradiction in terms!

[QUOTE=El Culion]Keeping a low profile while inserting a 'clasificado'? How can that be? I think that's a contradiction in terms![/QUOTE]
NO contradiction of terms here. I meant Don`t go playing "Mr. Movie Producer " or spreading the word around. Peter.

Your name will NOT appear in the ad. The paper requires the photocopy of the Passport for Legal reasons,for THIS ( models for adult videos) kind of ads ONLY !!! BUT not to be published in the Ad.

Ads are a very cost/effective way of getting contacts for companion, that is TEMPORARY girlfriends, serious relationships, like marriage, and modeling, for pictures and videos.Etc.

SINGLE`S TOURS are fearing the potential of the ads and KNOW that if more men would know about the ads , they would be out of bussiness. Peter.

Thanks again Peter. You seem to have lots of experience with the newspaper ads. Sounds like a good idea in general.

As for shooting adult films though, if that is illegal (though perhaps tolerated) and if you are leaving your passport and other info with the newspaper, it doesn't seem to be a very good idea.

However, it seems you have done this before, at least on behalf of clients. What's up?

SL

[QUOTE=Salsero Loco]Thanks again Peter. You seem to have lots of experience with the newspaper ads. Sounds like a good idea in general.

As for shooting adult films though, if that is illegal (though perhaps tolerated) and if you are leaving your passport and other info with the newspaper, it doesn't seem to be a very good idea.

However, it seems you have done this before, at least on behalf of clients. What's up?

SL[/QUOTE]

Yes, I have placed ads in the paper for many guys , for both marriage and temporary girlfriends, not so much for adult videos, but one time I had an inquire so I asked the paper and that is how I know.

the thing is that the paper will not accept these kind of ads without the photocopy of the passport, AND AS I SAID, THEY WILL NOT PUBLISH YOUR NAME, for example, all the ad will say is:

" American, soon to arrive to Colombia, seeks attractive ladies age 18-25 for adult videos"

It will NOT say" PAUL NEWMAN soon to arrive to Colombia, seeks attractive ladies age 18-25 for adult videos" As the name( yours ) even if you wanted it in the ad will not have much meaning to the girls unless YOU ARE PAUL NEWMAN .LOL.

And lastly shooting this kind of videos is not legal but can be done and it has been done, that is where keeping a low profile comes in handy.

And without the ad, almost impossible to get the girls.Peter.

Gentlemen,

I am planing to spent December & January touring and mongering around Colombia for the first time together with a friend of mine. Spanish language is not a problem.

I would very much appreciate some answers to my following questions.

1- Is there a black or parallel currency market? Is it best to change USD’s or Euros or use the ATM’s?

2- Is it safe to use credit cards for the daily expenses and the ATM’s for cash withdrawal and what is the maximum allowed daily withdrawal?

3- Can someone recommend best 3-4 cities to visit and some medium range apart hotels or private furnished apartments?

We shall be using Avianca and obviously we shall commence and finish from Bogota.

Thank you

El Greco

Peter,

It is not almost impossible to get the girls without an ad. Any chica who will fuck you for money is a candidate. And there are plenty of them. You can also hire a local to procure for you. Fees would range from 150K to 250K pesos(US$65 to $110). Of course you can pay more.

Greco,

Use ATMs. I do not use credit cards. You could try Cartagena and Medellin in addition to Bogota. Avoid CTG from 12/15 to 1/15 as it is high season and lodging rates are doubled or better. For CTG you could try [url]http://www.zepelion.com/apartamentos/index.htm[/url].

Not too long ago there was a scandal involving US military members and contractors who were filming fuck videos with local Colombian girls. When the videos came to light the girls were quick to accuse the gringos of taking advantage of them even though they were paid to perform on camera. The families of the girls complained about how the Americanos had "corrupted and used" their daughters in spite of the fact that these girls were out there selling pussy.

Maybe the families didn't know that their daughters were out selling their holes, maybe they knew but didn't want it on tape for the world to see. The fact is Latin America is full of contradictions, lots of Catholicism with liberal amounts of easy sex but no one wants it to be in their face. Anyway, by the time the everything was done Rojo Vivo and Primer Impacto had a field day broadcasting censored clips of the X-rated videos complete with little old women in tears due to the shame brought on their families. They gave testimony about how the only thing they had left in their poverty was their sense of dignity and even that was taken away from them by the Americanos.

Since the people involved were under the diplomatic protection of the US government things were handled administratively by the US authorities. However, things will be quite different for a sex tourist entering the country on a regular passport and subject to Colombian laws.

[QUOTE=Tom 33]Peter,

It is not almost impossible to get the girls without an ad. Any chica who will fuck you for money is a candidate. And there are plenty of them. You can also hire a local to procure for you. Fees would range from 150K to 250K pesos(US$65 to $110). Of course you can pay more.

Greco,

Use ATMs. I do not use credit cards. You could try Cartagena and Medellin in addition to Bogota. Avoid CTG from 12/15 to 1/15 as it is high season and lodging rates are doubled or better. For CTG you could try [url]http://www.zepelion.com/apartamentos/index.htm[/url].[/QUOTE]
True Tom 33, but how many of those want to be in an adult video? When most don`t even want their picture taken.That is where the ad comes in, those who respond are those who want to be in the adult video.Peter.

The newspaper ad is a good idea. I may try that in the future. I have had no problem with taking nude photos of chicas. Others I know have had no problem with porn videos for an extra fee. After all, they are in the business already.

Choca is correct about the contradictions. Many chicas leave their home area to sell it and would not want family or friends to know. It would help to inform the chicas of your attempts to keep the finished product out of Colombia. And then live by your word!

I was hit with extra fees by my bank when I used my credit cards in Cali. My bank told me its now standered practice to charge a surcharge for use outside of USA. Check with your bank.

I'm heading to Bogota in November and was wondering if anyone knew of any places to stay in El Chapinero, the closer to the area around Casanova and Extasis the better.

Thanks

WAY bogus. Get a card without that fee, but ALL the airl;ine mile cards seem to charge it. Makes ATMs even more critical as a way to minimize transaction fees.

By the way, is it JUST me or are others having problems with Bancocolombia of late? I used to always use them but last two trips my card won't work there so I must settle for 300K withdrawals. ):

Greed Lured GIs Into Colombian Underworld

By KIM HOUSEGO, Associated Press WriterSat Sep 3, 7:18 AM ET

U.S. Army Staff Sgt. Daniel Rosas was deployed to Colombia as part of the large U.S. mission to fight drug trafficking, but before long he found the lure of cocaine money too hard to resist.

He formed a smuggling ring involving U.S. soldiers that was eventually busted, deeply embarrassing U.S. officials.

A deposition obtained by The Associated Press shows Rosas' scheme was so amateurish that at one point he made a deal with a stranger he met in a Mexican nightclub bathroom and even saw a $140,000 payment vanish in the mail. The authenticity of Rosas' sworn statement was recently confirmed by a Colombian official familiar with the case.

The document provides for the first time a detailed look into how the drug ring operated and shows that, with stunning ease, it was able to send 170 pounds of cocaine from Colombia to the United States, subject to only cursory searches at best from U.S. Customs agents.

"They never suspected that any military or civilian personnel would bring back contraband," Rosas said in the March 31 sworn statement to military investigators at Fort Bliss, Texas. "They did not use dogs, they very rarely checked our carryon bags but never checked our equipment that was loaded on the pallets."

U.S. Ambassador William Wood said in the wake of the arrests on March 28 that U.S. soldiers leaving Colombia would be subjected to stricter searches. The case infuriated many Colombians who said President Alvaro Uribe should revoke treaties granting immunity to U.S. soldiers serving in Colombia.

Rosas, 23, of McAllen, Texas, is behind bars awaiting court-martial along with two other U.S. soldiers.

A fourth soldier, Spc. Francisco Rosa, pleaded guilty on Aug. 10 to using, possessing and distributing cocaine and making a false official statement. He was sentenced to five years in prison, demoted to the rank of private and will receive a bad conduct discharge.

Rosas told military investigators he got involved in drug smuggling in the summer of 2003 when he struck up a friendship with Angel Gutierrez, a bartender at the officer's club in the Apiay military base southeast of Bogota, where he was stationed. Rosas said Gutierrez told him he could hold cocaine and drive it onto the base through the front gate.

"Greed overtook my state-of-mind. I saw an opportunity and took advantage of it," Rosas said, according to the sworn statement.

Rosas said he and two other Americans on the base — Spc. Rolando Sandoval and a civilian defense contractor identified only as Jake — pooled their money to buy about nine pounds of cocaine from Gutierrez for $12,000. Sandoval left the military before Rosas' arrest and it is unclear what happened to him and Jake.

Jake smuggled the cocaine to the United States in August 2003, then headed to Las Vegas to try to sell some of it — but promptly disappeared.

"We never saw him again ... we never received any money from Jake," Rosas said.

When Rosas returned to Texas within a few weeks, he tried to sell the remaining two pounds. That amount normally fetches about $25,000 in the United States, but Rosas didn't know where to turn.

"I went to Juarez, Mexico, and while in the bathroom of a club I saw a guy snorting cocaine," Rosas said. He eventually sold the cocaine to the man for $6,500 at a Taco Bell in El Paso, Texas.

The money didn't last long.

"I spent $3,000 on partying and stuff of that nature," the soldier said.

On his next tour in Colombia, Rosas said he recruited three U.S. soldiers — Rosa, Staff Sgt. Victor Portales and Staff Sgt. Kevin G. Irizarry-Melendez — and they began smuggling much larger quantities of cocaine, according to the sworn statement.

They wrapped sheets of fabric softener and plastic wrap around the cocaine, placed it inside zip-lock bags then put them inside coffee boxes. The drug shipments were loaded onto pallets with other gear then put aboard U.S. Air Force transport planes heading to Texas.

Once, two coffee boxes containing 35 pounds of cocaine vanished after it arrived at Fort Bliss. Rosas said he suspects a private working at the hangar found the cocaine and stole it.

Meanwhile, Rosas found connections in the drug-trafficking underworld in the United States. But that presented new problems.

One drug dealer, identified only as Gustavo, mailed $200,000 to Rosas' El Paso apartment in four boxes as payment for cocaine, but Rosas was not present to pick up two of the boxes, and they were sent to a forwarding address Gustavo had provided. Gustavo told Rosas he had made up the forwarding address. The two boxes were never found.

"I do not know where the boxes were sent to, nor where the money is at now," Rosas told the army investigators. "So basically, somebody received $140,000."

The sworn statement suggests informants finally broke up the smuggling operation.

Rosas said he shipped 134 pounds of cocaine between July 2003 and March 2005 to the United States and sold it for about $260,000. He said Irizarry-Melendez smuggled another 35 pounds, while the others mainly fronted money to buy the drugs.

Asked by the investigators how he felt after being caught, Rosas replied: "Disgraced, unfaithful, disloyal, saddened and I wish I never did it."

Hey,

Are you back in Col.? Drop me a line. Interesting if you can get that idea off the ground.

Can anyone recommend a cheap way to get to Cali from the states (Chicago). Maybe a website or a sale someone knows of or a specific airline?

Thanks in Advance

Dólar (TRM): $2.300,58
Dólar Casas de Cambio:
Compra: $2.130,00
Venta: $2.170,00
Euro : $2.802,33

[QUOTE=Luis The Great]Can anyone recommend a cheap way to get to Cali from the states (Chicago). Maybe a website or a sale someone knows of or a specific airline?

Thanks in Advance[/QUOTE]

check Avinca's web site fly from chicago to Miami also check hotwire.com

Dólar (TRM): $2.290,03
Dólar Casas de Cambio:
Compra: $2.130,00
Venta: $2.160,00
Euro : $2.758,94

Hi guys,

I am living in Costa Rica and I need to pop over to San Andres for 72 hours this weekend. Anyone have the 411 on the action there?

Thanks

I am planning my first trip to Colombia. I have narrowed it down to CTG or BAQ. I realize they are close and have seen some pretty reasonable taxi rates posted.

I will be there for over a week and really enjoy hitting the beach during the day. Just relaxing and a few cocktails is a good day. A little chica action is a plus.

Are the CTG beaches a good spot to hang out or would this factor force my decision to BAQ?

Thanks

The beaches of Cartagena, tourist area, are disappointing, I mean really disappointing. These beaches are marginal and good as a side activity or for short time only. If the beach is going to be the main activity pick another city, you'll thank me. Haven't been to BAQ so can't comment.

You'll be really disappointed in BAQ. There are no beaches.

If you like nice beach, try Playa Blanca about 40 minutes by boat from Laguito(CTG). The Rosario Islands(about an hour) are also superb.

[QUOTE=Tom 33]You'll be really disappointed in BAQ. There are no beaches.

If you like nice beach, try Playa Blanca about 40 minutes by boat from Laguito(CTG). The Rosario Islands(about an hour) are also superb.[/QUOTE]I dissagree with you about BQUILLA.If you go a little further, about 30 mins by car, you will find SANTA VERONICA, PLAYA MENDOZA, and PALMARITO which are nice. And I agree with you about those in Cartagena also.There are no BEACHES in Barranquilla, but there are a lot of BITCHES here.JUST KIDDING :), Cheers, Peter.

Where in BAQ are the beaches? The disappointment is not with BAQ, but the fact that there are no beaches.

[QUOTE=Tom 33]Where in BAQ are the beaches? The disappointment is not with BAQ, but the fact that there are no beaches.[/QUOTE]
Well, they are not a block away from main street like Cartagena, but at 15 mins by car is Salgar which is not much, but still it attracts huge crowds, especially on a Sunday morning.

And the rest I mentioned 25- 40 minutes.

Besides, I would dare to say Cartagena and Barranquilla are two different cities, the first is a touristic city,good for 3 or 4 days.

The second is more of a REGULAR city with the advantages of the beaches NEAR BY.

We even CONSIDER Cartagena at 1 1/2 hours away or Santa Marta,about 1 hour on the oppositive direction, the Irotama bay which it is really nice, or El Rodadero as part of the Barranquilla beaches.

So it is not unsual to leave Bquilla early in the morning for either city, spend the day there, go swimming, have lunch and be back at night for Supper. Peter.

Looking into visiting Santa Marta during my next visit to Colombia but cannot find any information on the city; general, entertainment, and mongering. Help in pointing me in the right direction would be appreciated.

Jeez, guess I overstayed my 3 to 4 days in CTG by a few years. And one of those disappointing beaches lies outside of my back door. That's a good 3-minute commute down the elevator.

Guess I should move to BAQ.

[QUOTE=Tom 33]JGuess I should move to BAQ.[/QUOTE]
Yes you should.Welcome.Peter.

No offense Tom, but me thinks you have never seen a World Class beach if you consider ANYTHING in Cartagena city acceptable and consider Islas Rosario "superb". Colom,bia has tremendous beaches BUT most are in areas with serious security issues and NOT places where most mongers would tred. San Andres and Provedencia have the best beaches in areas that are safe. Also, the other beach areas have NOBODY who speaks English and no creature comforts or LDV style places to find chicas.

[QUOTE=Surfer]No offense Tom, but me thinks you have never seen a World Class beach if you consider ANYTHING in Cartagena city acceptable and consider Islas Rosario "superb". Colom,bia has tremendous beaches BUT most are in areas with serious security issues and NOT places where most mongers would tred. San Andres and Provedencia have the best beaches in areas that are safe. Also, the other beach areas have NOBODY who speaks English and no creature comforts or LDV style places to find chicas.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Surfer, you are 100% correct buddy, it is unfortunate that it has to be so, even for us.In San Andres, try EL ACUARIO, not Johny Key,Cheers, Peter.

I am planning a trip to Columbia after Carnival in '06 Brasil.
I do not know much about Columbia but, I would like know where to start first.
I will be traving to Barq, Cart, Med and Bogo and Cali.
Is it considered cheaper than Brasil?
Is it possible to rent an apartment for 7 days in each City.
I want to travel to diffrent cities by car, is this recommended.
What month can I get than warmest weather?
Would appreciate the help, other please save unuseful remarks?
Can you list the places that I can find the 9 and 10 scale morenas in each city.
For each city can you list 3 or 4 places for the chicas.
Dose anyone have apartment contacts for each city?
What is the floor price that you guys are being charged for an all nighter?
Are there many chicas in their early 20's.
Would appreciate your help.
I have been reading the posts bt still would appreciate some help.
Going from Miami and trying to find the cheapest non-stop route and an airline where I can earn miles.
Only reply if your willing to help

[QUOTE=Liucio]I am planning a trip to Columbia after Carnival in '06 Brasil.
I do not know much about Columbia but, I would like know where to start first.
I will be traving to Barq, Cart, Med and Bogo and Cali.
Is it considered cheaper than Brasil?
Is it possible to rent an apartment for 7 days in each City.
I want to travel to diffrent cities by car, is this recommended.
What month can I get than warmest weather?
Would appreciate the help, other please save unuseful remarks?
Can you list the places that I can find the 9 and 10 scale morenas in each city.
For each city can you list 3 or 4 places for the chicas.
Dose anyone have apartment contacts for each city?
What is the floor price that you guys are being charged for an all nighter?
Are there many chicas in their early 20's.
Would appreciate your help.
I have been reading the posts bt still would appreciate some help.
Going from Miami and trying to find the cheapest non-stop route and an airline where I can earn miles.
Only reply if your willing to help[/QUOTE]

I can help you in Barranquiila with the apartment and the women,traveling by car between Barranquiila and Cartagena during day time, I see no problem, from Bogota to Medellin or to Barranquilla although the scenery is fantastic, nothing like you would ever see in the States, it is not recomended, things have improved a lot with the new President Uribe,but still I would advice foreigners against it.Peter.

Guys I have done extensive research on both Cali and Cartegena and need help deciding on which one to visit in Nov. . Cartegena is more tourist freindly and therefore the women are more expensive. Cali has a good scene and is less expensive but can be more dangerous. (Please let me know if Im geting this wrong guys). The definitive factor for me is going to have to be where I am most likely to find morenas and or Black Colombian women. They are gorgeous! (At least in my opinion). So which city has the most/friendliest/lease expensive of this type. Please help. My worst case Scenario is going back to the DR or Brazil and Im really tired of those scenes. Thanx guys.

[QUOTE=curry]Guys I have done extensive research on both Cali and Cartegena and need help deciding on which one to visit in Nov. . Cartegena is more tourist freindly and therefore the women are more expensive. Cali has a good scene and is less expensive but can be more dangerous. (Please let me know if Im geting this wrong guys). The definitive factor for me is going to have to be where I am most likely to find morenas and or Black Colombian women. They are gorgeous! (At least in my opinion). So which city has the most/friendliest/lease expensive of this type. Please help. My worst case Scenario is going back to the DR or Brazil and Im really tired of those scenes. Thanx guys.[/QUOTE]
Cartagena has plenty of morenas for you, and so does Barranquilla, Cartagena will be holding the Miss Colombia Beauty Pagent in the first week on Nov. A lot of people will be there, so rooms become scarce and expensive. And your appreciation abouth these cities is correct.Peter.

Gipse, most of the action is in Rodadero. There are many resturants and clubs in that area. I was last there in May and it was dead. I hear in the high season it is very crowded. I stayed in a cabana near Hotel Zuana and it was nice. The food in the outside resturants is very inexpensive and very delicious. We hired a taxi for 30 dollars to give us a tour of Santa Marta. It lasted for about 4 hours and i ejoyed it very much. I dont know about p4p in Santa Marta, but it is a nice place to take your novia.

I wouldn´t let my dog swim there.

The Aussie.



[QUOTE=Surfer]No offense Tom, but me thinks you have never seen a World Class beach if you consider ANYTHING in Cartagena city acceptable and consider Islas Rosario "superb". Colom,bia has tremendous beaches BUT most are in areas with serious security issues and NOT places where most mongers would tred. San Andres and Provedencia have the best beaches in areas that are safe. Also, the other beach areas have NOBODY who speaks English and no creature comforts or LDV style places to find chicas.[/QUOTE]

At least I don't have to share the water with Aussie's dog.

Be it ever so humble, there's no place like home.

Is Rodadero in Santa M. worth visiting?
Is Curry correct about the friendliness of Cartegena.
Which city is the cheapest but offers the best slection of chicas, BUT most friendly people?

I too am coming off of BRASIL (not RIO) but the Northeast.
People wer so friendly and further form RIO, the cheaper the garotas.


Thanks Peter & Surfer

[QUOTE=Liucio]Is Rodadero in Santa M. worth visiting? [/QUOTE]
To me EL RODADERO is just a touristic resort, and Santa Marta a small city. I don`t know what the impression of other mongers is about these two places, but for me is good to spend a day or two , but that is about it.
And about friendliness,we are warm hearted people always willing to help, you will find that in any city in Colombia.

I apologize in advance for this post not being directly related to Colombia, but I am planning a trip to Colombia this spring and was interested in visitting Brazil and Argentina as well. Unfortunately, I have never been able to log onto argentinaprivate.com since Jackson first set it up. I have tried of and on again, but I always get:

"The page cannot be displayed"

Does anyone have a suggestion as to what's going on?

[blue]Hi Mr Matt,

The Argentina site has been experiencing an intermittent DNS problem that prevents it from being "found" by a very small number of potential visitors. I'm aware of the problem, but it's been difficult to identify.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blur]

The best beaches are WAY past Rodadero/SAnta Marta/Taganga where Yellow Fever joins FARC as a real risk. That keeps the numbers of gringos to a real minimum (which is good IMHO). Even in the most developed area between Barranquilla and the Venezuelan border, Rodadero, there is no McDonald's, no shopping centers, no movie theaters NO Riquisimo or Yogurt shops, no cruise ships, nor are there ANY US style businesses. There are no gringo apartment blocks like Laguito, nor is there an old city with the charm of Cartagena's Ciudad Vieja.

The plushest resorts South of town by the airport, Zuana & Irotama, have good but expensive food options and nice (but not great) beaches. Neither of the two discos in town are good pick up spots at all (NOTHING even remotely like LDV), nor are there Pleyboy style casas. There are no beach touts hawking hookers (like Tony at Las Velas beach). They hawk trhe usual useless junk and overpriced trips or jetski rentals, but NOT chicas. Rodadero is a family oriented beach resort frequented by conservative Colombian families on weekends-during the week it is deserted. It is also notorious for paras (right wing death squads).

I quote Robert Young Pelton's "the World's Most Dangerous Places", page 463: "Santa Marta. The North end of town and the Rodadero Beach areas are extremely dangerous. Do not travel alone into these areas. Daylight armed robberies of tourists are commonplace. Thieves will often relieve their victims of their clothes as well as all other valuables." And Pelton is NOT a paranoid like the US State Department (whose website states that the only places in Colombia deemed sufficiently safe for US visitors are Cartagena and SAn Andres island).

Try the Puerto Colombia or Galerazamba area beaches (between Cartagena and Barranquilla) first before venturing uyp to the Upper Magdalena or the even more sketchy La Guajira beyond.

Laguito and Bocagrande are crap beaches.

Laguito and Bocagrande with a few Colombian babes in bikinis on them are superb beaches.

I look forward to seeing them and any fellow mongers on about Jan. 21 to 26. Also Medellin Jan. 16 to 21.

[QUOTE=Surfer]The best beaches are WAY past Rodadero/SAnta Marta/Taganga where Yellow Fever joins FARC as a real risk. That keeps the numbers of gringos to a real minimum (which is good IMHO). Even in the most developed area between Barranquilla and the Venezuelan border, Rodadero, there is no McDonald's, no shopping centers, no movie theaters NO Riquisimo or Yogurt shops, no cruise ships, nor are there ANY US style businesses. There are no gringo apartment blocks like Laguito, nor is there an old city with the charm of Cartagena's Ciudad Vieja.

The plushest resorts South of town by the airport, Zuana & Irotama, have good but expensive food options and nice (but not great) beaches. Neither of the two discos in town are good pick up spots at all (NOTHING even remotely like LDV), nor are there Pleyboy style casas. There are no beach touts hawking hookers (like Tony at Las Velas beach). They hawk trhe usual useless junk and overpriced trips or jetski rentals, but NOT chicas. Rodadero is a family oriented beach resort frequented by conservative Colombian families on weekends-during the week it is deserted. It is also notorious for paras (right wing death squads).

I quote Robert Young Pelton's "the World's Most Dangerous Places", page 463: "Santa Marta. The North end of town and the Rodadero Beach areas are extremely dangerous. Do not travel alone into these areas. Daylight armed robberies of tourists are commonplace. Thieves will often relieve their victims of their clothes as well as all other valuables." And Pelton is NOT a paranoid like the US State Department (whose website states that the only places in Colombia deemed sufficiently safe for US visitors are Cartagena and SAn Andres island).

Try the Puerto Colombia or Galerazamba area beaches (between Cartagena and Barranquilla) first before venturing uyp to the Upper Magdalena or the even more sketchy La Guajira beyond.[/QUOTE]
I have to hand it to you Surfer, you really know what you are talking about, I agree with you in almost everything, except, El RODADERO being THAT dangerous, and the Irotama area not having great peaceful beaches,expensive place to eat and stay yes.Cheers, Peter.

This is not a report but a request for advice.

In the past few years I've taken four 3-week trips to Brazil, seen most of the Brazilean coast, and learned a bit of the language. The women there are fabulous but I thought I might try something new this year. I have about 3 weeks available from late November to early December and my Spanish skills are quite poor - I'm sure I will constantly confuse it with Portuguese.

One option I'm considering is 1 week in Ecuador followed by 2 weeks in Columbia (if I can get open-jaw flights to support this). I would take the bus in between and, based on the reports I've read, would certainly want to stop in Cali & Medellin as well as some nice beach area (Cartagena?).

Another option is to spend 10 days in Columbia and then 10 days in Brazil. Local (within-country) travel would be by bus but I would fly between the countries to save time. [Some future trip I would like to try international travel in the region by bus and boat.] Again, this depends upon getting appropriate flights to support this.

I travel alone and typically like to spend about 3 days in one place before moving on. Which of these itineraries would you recommend? (Or would you recommend something else?) Are there specific cities, clubs/brothels, beaches, or hotels you recommend? Any particular tips/warnings? Should I consider a side trip to the Galapagos (and is there any mongering there)?

Finally, as I'm nearly 52 I thought I might try Vitamin V (or similar) for the first time. Should I try to get that here in the US before traveling or is it available (and cheaper) en route?

Thanks for your time!

Peter: About safety in Rodadero, I was quoting from a famous book NOT from personal observations. I have never had a problem there, but the police DO warn you (especially at night). The police claim there is frequent guerilla (and criminal) activity just South of Rodadero The sand at Irotama/Zuana beaches is white, and they are reasonably clean. WAY better than ANYTHING in Cartagena city, but not better than Playa Blanca (30 minutes or so outside Cartagena) but they are quite plain and nothing spactacular like in Tayrona and Guajira.

Yankee: 1. it is spelled ColOmbia and 2. taking buses between cities (or traveling by land at all!) is NOT advised in Colombia. 3. Viagra is available for a fraction of US prices without prescription. Try it (you'll like it). But if you have a heart condition or take other meds DO ask you doctor FIRST!

[QUOTE=Surfer]Peter: About safety in Rodadero, I was quoting from a famous book NOT from personal observations. I have never had a problem there, but the police DO warn you (especially at night). The police claim there is frequent guerilla (and criminal) activity just South of Rodadero The sand at Irotama/Zuana beaches is white, and they are reasonably clean. WAY better than ANYTHING in Cartagena city, but not better than Playa Blanca (30 minutes or so outside Cartagena) but they are quite plain and nothing spactacular like in Tayrona and Guajira.

Yankee: 1. it is spelled ColOmbia and 2. taking buses between cities (or traveling by land at all!) is NOT advised in Colombia. 3. Viagra is available for a fraction of US prices without prescription. Try it (you'll like it). But if you have a heart condition or take other meds DO ask you doctor FIRST![/QUOTE]
I hate you already Surfer, you are starting to get on my nerves, :) I can not seem to disagree with you on anything. LOL.
Yes, it gets kind of heavy on the beach especially late at night.
About the Viagra, make sure you buy it at a reputable pharmacy like OLIMPICA, or you will buy a boggus pill.Peter.

[QUOTE]Yankee: 1. it is spelled ColOmbia and 2. taking buses between cities (or traveling by land at all!) is NOT advised in Colombia. 3. Viagra is available for a fraction of US prices without prescription. Try it (you'll like it). But if you have a heart condition or take other meds DO ask you doctor FIRST![/QUOTE]Surfer,

Sorry about the spelling. Would you please elaborate on your misgivings about bus/land travel between cities in Colombia? While I am aware of the violence there, and have been concerned about this, I have also read stories of people bicycling and taking buses/taxis without significant problems. On my first trip to Brazil, I was very concerned for my safety but have since become comfortable taking overnight buses and walking around most (not all) urban areas. In Colombia, I thought I would stick to the daytime buses on main routes (Cali-Medellin-Bogota-Cartegena) and not venture into the interior jungles toward the Brazilean border. I do not dress in any flashy way (no jewelry at all, sneakers, jeans or shorts, t-shirt, rather beat-up luggage) and generally do not attract attention. This has served me well as I traveled by buses many times on the whole coast of Brazil (from Floripa to Jericoacoara). Is Colombia that different?

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is not necessarily bad. But you must know where you are going and what is safe. It's probably not a good idea to travel after dark. I took a bus from Medellin to Cali in Jan. of this year with no problem. Busses between Cartagena and Santa Marta are pretty safe.

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i asked a lawyer, and he said "yes, technically"

but if the police catches you, you go to jail while they investigate, and this applies to us colombians, so i am sure it can be a lot worse for a non spanish speaking person coming from a foreign country.

so my honest advise to you is, take a vacation from it all, and enjoy the women, as far as i know there is no penalty for pussy.
unless it is ****, don`t get me wrong.lol

and to tom 33, yes, you are right. not long ago i took a bus at night from cartagena to barranquilla, and we had no problems whatsoever. knowing what you are doing at all times is the key. cheers to all, peter.

Cali to Medellin is an OK route for land travel, ditto Cartagena to Barranquilla and even SAnta Marta. Still would avoid doing them at night. Look you could cruise Putumayo and live to tell the tale, but that does NOT mean it is smart. In russian roulette you only lose 1 out of 6 times too!

BOG to BAQ is a WHOLE DIFFERENT THING as that road passes through some VERY insecure areas. I wouldn't do it. By the way, do a google search on striking viking to read the tale of a VERY bold guy who motorcycled across Colombia and whose friends paid bribes to get him released when he was sequestred at a roadblock. HE is a very tough, resourceful, guy. Think you'll fare as well?

Anyone know if La Piscina is open on Sunday night? Also, looking for the address of Juan Pablos/Zhivago o lo que sea.

Thanks

OK. Safety is relative. What might be a good & moderately-safe route for a mongering tour of Colombia? Based on comments, here's what I'm thinking:

FLY: USA to Bogota. (2 nights)
BUS: Bogota to Cali. (2 nights)
BUS: Cali to Medellin. (2 nights)
BUS: Medellin to Cartegena. (2 nights)
BUS: Cartegena to Barranquilla. (2 nights)
BUS: Barranquilla to Santa Marta. (2 nights)

Then somehow fly/travel out. I have a total of about 3 weeks so I could either (a) spend more time in Colombia than indicated above and head directly back to USA, or (b) fly to Brazil for awhile before heading home.

How would you change the above itinerary and why?

Yankee

Depends on how important safety is for you. You might prefer to do BOG Cali and Medellin Cartagena by plane. The rest should be ok.

Several years ago I have done all these bus trips, plus a few more through more dangerous areas. In the last 4 to 5 years I wouldn´t have done it. Now I am not sure. The situation is improving, but there are still risks.

Summer 04 we travelled by bus from Cartegena to the Venezuelan border and back to Santa Marta to overnight. East of Santa Marta can be spooky (dangerous) because of the ruralness. Different people bord the bus at numerous stops to sell. You can never know for sure. My GF told me to keep my mouth shut. We talked only in very low whisper. There are numerous police/military roadblocks along the route. The landscape, people, villages, businesses were an experience to see.

From S.M. we returned by taxi to Cartegena and was stopped by police 3 times and I was searched once and my suitcase was searched. All 3 times the taxi was searched. I was told later that trip could have been my last. Take note and be careful.

[QUOTE=Alachingada]Anyone know if La Piscina is open on Sunday night? Also, looking for the address of Juan Pablos/Zhivago o lo que sea.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Last two trips (most recently 2 weeks ago) that I went on a Sunday, neither La Piscina, nor El Castillo, nor any place other than Las Paisas and Casonas were open on a Sunday. Even Abejitas (Cra 14 83-23 tel: 616-2255) closes at like 6.

Bar Zhivago, Juan Pablo - Cra. 18 No. 93A-83 256-8925 - The house fee is $60,000 and the girls ask between COP100.000-200.000 per hour.

[QUOTE=Yankee 617]OK. Safety is relative. What might be a good & moderately-safe route for a mongering tour of Colombia? Based on comments, here's what I'm thinking:

FLY: USA to Bogota. (2 nights)
BUS: Bogota to Cali. (2 nights)
BUS: Cali to Medellin. (2 nights)
BUS: Medellin to Cartegena. (2 nights)
BUS: Cartegena to Barranquilla. (2 nights)
BUS: Barranquilla to Santa Marta. (2 nights)

Then somehow fly/travel out. I have a total of about 3 weeks so I could either (a) spend more time in Colombia than indicated above and head directly back to USA, or (b) fly to Brazil for awhile before heading home.

How would you change the above itinerary and why?[/QUOTE]
Personally I would change it by staying longer in each place. You mentioned you like to only stay 3 days or so, but I wonder if you appreciate the distances involved for all that bus travel. You are looking at 10-14 hours or so per trip, until you get to the north coast.

At that rate you'll spend half your vacation time feeling warmed up on the bus while sitting through B grade action films.

Colombia is worth spending the time. 3 weeks is better but still not enough.

It may take you a week or so to find your groove with the language.

Except for Cartagena and Santa Marta, there's very little in itself to make each city a tourist destination. The highlight of Colombia is its people (cliched I know, but fundamentally true here).

Not sure why you'd leave each new place after a day or so (after allowing for travel time). That gives you no time to build anything personal, which is where your fun memories are going to come from.

Consider also that most Colombian cities are dead during the week. So hitting a new city on Tuesday night and leaving Thursday morning would be almost a total waste.

Cachorro ... very well put ... I agree.

[QUOTE=Hermescali]Yankee

Depends on how important safety is for you. You might prefer to do BOG Cali and Medellin Cartagena by plane. The rest should be ok.

Several years ago I have done all these bus trips, plus a few more through more dangerous areas. In the last 4 to 5 years I wouldn´t have done it. Now I am not sure. The situation is improving, but there are still risks.[/QUOTE]
You guys have to remember that you stand out, even if you never open your mouth.

I did mentioned in one of my early posts that one time I took out an Italian American, average height, black hair, and dark skin, and people would address him for directions, thinking he was a Colombian born like me.

There have been with this new President what they call CARAVANAS DE PAZ, which I would translate as PEACE CONVOYS, which are hundreds of cars and buses going to a given place, take for example: Barranquilla to Bucaramanga, all leaving at the same hour and being guarded by road Army and by helicopters, it is a slow trip but it should be pretty safe.

Think of it like rush hour but much faster.

If you tell me which destination you are interested in and from where in Colombia, I will find out when the next Caravana might be and I wil post it. Peter.

For those traveling to Colombia, this is what you can expect in exchange for your money . As of Oct. 7th/2005.

Dólar (TRM): $2.294,12
Dólar Casas de Cambio:
Compra: $2.135,00
Venta: $2.175,00
Euro : $2.743,53

Updated financial and weather information in my new section Peter Solano in Barranquilla.

Been to Cartagena before, planning another trip, have read the board, good info on P4P in the major cities (thanks to contributers). BUT I also want to spend a couple of days romancing this educated, refined non-pro cutie. Looking for a city (not Cartagena) in Colombia with romantic restaurants with ambiance & upscale dance places with class (beach is irrelavent). Which City?

Try Medellin.

Medellin is a terrific city. Two 5 star shopping malls, many normal malls, Paisas say it is the cleanest city in Colombia.

The rotating restaurant on top of the Dann Carlton is a nice dinner date. So is Las Palmitas, overlooking the city. Great food too. Afterward, go to El Tesoro (top shelf mall in the city) to shoot pool, or have drinks and watch the lights of the city. If the day is right, you can watch the fireworks from Pueblito Paisa.

Have a great time!

[QUOTE=Gipse]Been to Cartagena before, planning another trip, have read the board, good info on P4P in the major cities (thanks to contributers). BUT I also want to spend a couple of days romancing this educated, refined non-pro cutie. Looking for a city (not Cartagena) in Colombia with romantic restaurants with ambiance & upscale dance places with class (beach is irrelavent). Which City?[/QUOTE]

Thanks mongers for the contributions to this thread.

I have alot of reading yet to do here. However, I saw on Cartenega thread reference to Isla De Rosario as a snorkle and perhaps limited diving destination. I am beginning to make flight reservations out of Cartnega to San Andreas Island (but will purchase the ticket from within Colombia as suggested for a better price). I would like to do a few dives off San Andreas Island between December 8-14.

Does any one have a contact who runs a good dive shop there? Are there any mongers going to be around who want to dive? Thanks.

Diving in the Rosarios is OK, NOT great. Try and find a chica in Cartagena to bring to San Andres though (most would be THRILLED!) as it is slim pickings once you are there. Also, you'll be surprised to see how San Andres seems to be an entirely different country from Colombia (i.e. EVERYBODY speaks English).

I'll select a dive shop from Cartenega for Rosarios and girl . . . maybe a chica from Medellin for San Andreas. Since T. Roosevelt beat Colombia out of Panama, English in San Andreas stands to reason. I may cut San Andreas Island trip to 5 days after emails with Juan. Thanks for the reports Surfer, I appreciate your experience. Z

I never leave Laguito for mine.

Slim pickings on San Andres is more an accepted myth than a reality. I think since that's "the word", no one ever looks for chicas there. During my trip there, a local guy took me around to three casas and two "strip" clubs. There were all kinds of hot Colombianas to choose from. The most upscale club I would rate just a notch below La Dolce Vita in Cartagena, but then not many places anywhere can compare favorably to LDV. Prices are generally higher there than LDV, I think an hour on site was 150,000 and todo la noche was 200,000. But there were chicas de Medellin, Cali, Barranquilla, etc just like LDV.
Bringing your own is preferable I agree, but not a necessity.

That's excellent info S2. Thank you. I will probably take a girl and will definitely check the P4P situation on the island and report back to this thread my findings. That info has helped me tremendously.

Damn I am excited about Colombia; Cartegena, Medellin, Bogota, San Andreas Island, diving, hanging at beach. Maybe a mud bath or going some place that would be fun with a woman. Life is GOOD!!!

Colombia is addictive. I was hooked by my second visit. Maybe you are safe the first time.

I bought an unlocked GSM phone yesterday for about $70.00 off e-bay. If I understand this correctly I will purchase a SIM chip when I arrive in Colombia, then have relatively economical domestic phone service by purchasing minutes from a standard calling card vendor. The benefit of buying my own phone is, I will maintain the same number through out my one month stay in Colombia, and the phone will be mine to use through out Latin America, and possibly Eastern Europe and Thailand for furure mongering trips.

So if I understand this, then say in a six months, when I go to Brasil, I will need to purchase another SIM chip for say RIo which will allow me to make economical calls by purchasing minutes while in Rio. Or for that matter, Peru, or Europe and Thailand. Is that correct??

The phone number I obtain (I believe when I acquire the SIM chip in the country I am visiting) will be mine for a certain time frame as long as I am using the phone/chip. Question, is there a CERTAIN time frame of not using my GSM phone in Colombia that will run and preclude me from thereafter preserving that phone number (which I believe is programmed to my SIM chip) assigned to me. In other words, if I go back to Colombia (say three months later) will I have to purchase a NEW SIM chip?? Or, can I use the same (old) SIM chip and just have it reprogrammed (if the number is not branded to the chip)?? Or what?? How does that work??? Can someone please help me understand these techincal phone logistics. It confuses me.

Does Colombia Cartegena, Medellin, Bogota have DSL. In Rio, I happily paid to have a DSL line installed in rental apartments. I have also used pirate equipment (slipped in) that essentially uses Vonage to acguire a USA exchange number through internet. Though legally not considered appropriate there is no apparent way that the source country can be identified from it's internet signal through the USA exchange number. At least this is what I surmise.

Alternatively, with a simple $20-$30 rental of modem provided by Velox while I was in Rio, able to daisy chain my laptop between the moden and telephone and achieve unlimited access to internet in tandem with unlimited (free) USA phone service access. Though with the Velox set up, callers (that is customers and associates), other than my office, had to call and leave messages on my office number voice mail, and I had to call in, and retirive those messages frequently. The only alternative (I believe) would be to have receptionist give out my international (Velox apartment) number or Colombia cell number and thus call me directly. I prefer to have customers and associates think I am hard at work in my office. So if there is a way I could have calls rolled directly to my GSM phone in Colombia or my Velox phone service in the apartment then I would be very cool. The pirate equipment allowed Pacific NW clients to call a Seattle or LA exchange number and that was easy to explain, saying I was simply out of town for the moment. Ha, ha. Unless I want to boast to a few certain associates or clients about mongering while they are working!!

Generally I am able to simply daisy chain a answering machine between the phone and router and place an outgoing message on the machine to answer while I am busy mongering, but that is only useful to my office staff as they are essentially the only ones I want to know that I am out of the country and not behind my desk in Idaho.

Seems like the GSM phone should fit in here somehow, but I refuse to pay ATT $1.99 minute to recieve phone calls from USA to Latin America. This is a terrible quandry for me.

I really enjoy the challenge of maintaining a virtual office wherever I am mongering. My ultimately objective is to carry a Black Berry/phone and work (stocks and mortgages) while doing important mongering on beach, swimming pools, and coffee shops during the day, all with one little device. I basically wish to live and work for mongering, and two months a year outside of USA is just not enough!!

I know this email is convuluted, appologize for not editing, but if someone could advise me I would really appraciate some good techincial advise on this problem. Thanks and happy mongering. Z

Just my 2 Pesos.

phone numbers connected to SIM Cards (pay per minute) of fixed credit SIM cards : yes when not "reloaded" after a specific moment in time, your number is no longer "yours". It goes back into the pool of available numbers of the phone company. This is the case although in Thailand, where I had to buy a SECOND SIM CARD within 8 months time. the first number was no longer useable.

I do not know IF it will be suspended when there still would be credit left on the simcard when you leave back home and put it on rest. No can tell amigo !! Mine was completely emptied before I left.

There is always the possibility to give the sim card to a girfriend abroad, so she can use it from time to time. So you keep your number, she can reload the card, and you can use it again once back into town. There are (off course) also disadvantages .... as you know :-)

DSL exists in Colombia. I cannot tell more about it. sorry.

A good friend of mine who lives in Peru and manages a hedge fund travels to Columbia often (MDE). He brings his Vonnage phone with him and uses it in hotels in (MDE) without a problem. He has a Houston TX number that he keeps for clients. I am not familiar with Velox, so I can not comment.

LB

I've been using the same SIM card for about 9 months now. I am back in Colombia about every three months. You do not need to reprogram it, just buy a new phone card anywhere and you're good to go. You may want to inquire at Comcel as to how long you can go without using the SIM before it will expire, I have heard that happens sometime. One thing to keep in mind, no one at Comcel (in Bocagrande) speaks any english that I know of, and I've been there three times. If you're not fluent, it'll be a struggle. PM me if you'd like a cheap translator to accompany you. Might be worth the 5-10 dollars extra...

I didn't use my Colombian cel phone for about 9 months ... just had to go by Comcel office and they did something to it in about 5 minutes it was ready to go again.

I believe they said 6 months was the cut off.

Wow what a responsive board!! Thanks Ricker, S2, LB, & COT.

I believe if I go to . . . say Rio . . . or say Thailand then I must buy a SIM chip there to have the cheap domestic calls. Or, can one single SIM chip be programmed with a new local calling number in each of these countries?

LB, the Vonage configuration is the only way I can see to make what I want to do somewhat practicle. I believe with the Vonage equipment (once it is connected through a DSL door) there is no way that Vonage can determine where the equipment is actually connected. So if I can get a Boise, Idaho, or Salt Lake City, or Seattle exchange number from Vonage, then when I make a call the recipient sees a Major city phone number on their caller ID. I give that number out and they may have to pay 5 cents a minute to call me but that is OK. I see that as the only practicle way I can be working in my apartment/office and send/recieve calls directly to and from USA. And the only way to keep a consistent USA mongering phone number. The alternative I supppose ($1.19-$1.99 per minute) is to have a GSM world phone but that is way expensive very quick.

My objective is simple, I want to be able to sit on the beach in South America or Asia, answering phone calls like I am at my desk in Idaho. Then tell them I am busy, will call them back in say one hour and then go back to my apartment call my office, or log onto my server and get the info I need, then place the calls without incurring extreme long distance fees and without my clients/associates knowing I am mongering myself into heaven. Until Vonage set's up an exchange in my home town and until I can figure out a way to roll my Vonage calls directly to an unlocked GSM phone in Colombia then I have to play like I am simply out of town on a small business trip and just use the Vonage voice mail box to handle incoming calls when I am on the beach or out of the apartment playing. I'll check with Vonage and let the board know what I have discovered but if I learn it is illegal to take Vonage equipment out of the USA then you will likely not be hearing much more about this Vonage configuration from me again.

Anyway I bought a set of Bushnel binoculars (8 x 30) yesterday at Best Buy for about $150.00 they are cool because they have a digital camera built in with standard camera memory card allowing me to snap 2.1 MP digital photos, (about 300 pictures) at a time, then pull the card out or USB them into my laptop. I can't wait to use them on the beach!!

I also bought an 80Gig small portable external hard drive at Costco for $100.00. Place to hold all the pics!! I plan on taking lots of pictures, not quite as obvious as a camera while outdoors and besides it will make me feel like I am a private dick doing mongering espionage for my fellow cuntryman.

I wish I could find a place in Cartegena that rents lighting equipment. Once I get a Colombiana in my room I can play like I am a professional photographer get her to do some hot and sexy model poses and perhaps inspire her to try harder and be nicer for more of a GFE for me. Hummmm, seems like I remember a monger saying he used that angle to get some quality talent. Oh well just a thought, actually I generally get way to busy with the quantity being what it is in South America. Nevertheless, shooting some porn does sound like fun. Geeez, I just know I should be a porn star, well at my age maybe the producer! Hummmm, no I'd still rather be the porn star!! Z

Once you get the SIM card, calls are still not cheap. Those pre-paid cards burn fast.

The LDV girls are becoming camera shy because of Internet postings. Try the street girls if you like photography.

Make sure it operates on 850mhz.

Zidaho

Check out argentinaprivate. Their is quite a bit of discussion about using Vonage in BA. What you are proposing seems doable and not violating any agreement. I did some research on their site and it seems like they actually encourage it.

I am not sure what the electrical situation is in Colombia but this seemed to be the only major issue that the guys were facing.

I always buy the girls OLA phones because they do not charge for incoming calls!

I had bought the Bushnell binocs with digital camera too but was underwhelmed by picture quality, capacity (bought expansion SD card but never worked!)

I was addicted to Colombia from my first visit for sure.

Zidaho

Contact Sunset of the Rio board for details about Vonage.

He is using it in Rio and it works fantastically.

All you need is a fast internet connection and the Vonage box.

As for GSM phones and cards the phone will function with a specific card as long as it supports the band that the sim card is using. eg 850, 900, 1800,1900 MHZ

There are motorola phones that they are able to function on all the above bands. Quatra band phones.
Others are using three, two or even only one band.

Pre paid sim cards expire after a certain time if they are not recharged with additional air time and you eventually loose the number.


My two cents for you

El Greco

Of the three cell phone companies in Colombia - Ola, Comcel and Movistar - none charge for incoming calls. I have never used Ola, but I have used the other two. Comcel is better. The rates are always much better within a system. Most of the people I know use Comcel. It is much cheaper to call other Comcel numbers with my Comcel phone.

Read with interest about San Andres. Understand it is a very small place (the airport almost travels across the width of the island. As far as Cicas go, where to find them (massage, strip bars, escort service, local bars etc.), chica friendly hotels, do large hotels allow chicas to the room and the going rate for the same ? Do chicas from mainland Columbia fly in here for the mongers similar to S.J. Costa Rica ? All the good Columbian stuff available for sale I am sure. Anyone please advise any names\locations. Any local bars similar to the Blue Marlin in San Jose, Costa Rica ? Understand September\October rainy season. Anyone have experience with November weather. Appreciate anyone's advice on this.

Thank you.

Alwayson

Well these recent posts have cleared up a big mess in my head. Thanks mongers for turning me on to the Argentina link that Argentinaprivate link is a very useful resource.

Today I ordered Vonage. Since it is not available in Idaho yet, I set up a number in Colorado where I have some family. So they will be able to call me with no LD charges. And as for my phone calls I get 500 minutes per month included with my $20.00 per month subscription fee. Then it is 3.9 cents per minute thereafter. So esentially for $10.00 I buy the modem and the $40.00 activation fee now I can hook it up wherever I find a cable or DSL connection and basically stay on the phone for two or three hours a day and not be concerned about a HUGE phone bill. I am going to get rid of one of my home telephone numbers and replace it with my new Vonage phone number. The activation process took about 20 minutes with a nice sales rep.

I cancelled my order from ebay for a dual band (900 and 1900) GSM phone, hopefully I can get those $65.00 order reversed and get a four band GSM phone before I leave. That's what I should have ordered from the begginiing as to potentially include service for Asia, and Europe and I suppose all South America monger destinations. That was important info from NN and EG. Man I owe you guys!! Thanks.

It IS an issue to many, but it should be separate from the main discussion thread. Not a critique of the discussion, just a suggestion.

Tom: Maybe things have changed then, or maybe you have a different plan that does not charge for incoming calls, but I went to the Comcel office in Cali to ask about the rate plans and on the prepagado (prepaid calling card code) they told me incoming calls were charged. In addition, the per minute rate is MUCH lower, like 50%, of Comcel rates. ALL networks are much cheaper for calls to other network members so that is no advantage of Comcel at all.

I think that there was a misunderstanding with Comcel. If they had ever charged for incoming calls, no one(including most chicas) could receive calls when they had no minutes. Most chicas I know never have any minutes, but I can always call them. No one would use Comcel if that were the case.

As far as the exact rates, they change regularly. Competition does work in Colombia. I'm guessing that the only substantial difference over time would be the discount you get for calling another number serviced by the same company you have. Thus, if most of the people you will be calling use Ola, get Ola.

Tom is correct, no charge for incoming calls. Zidaho, let us know of your quad band purchase.

[QUOTE=TheShadow2]Slim pickings on San Andres is more an accepted myth than a reality. I think since that's "the word", no one ever looks for chicas there. During my trip there, a local guy took me around to three casas and two "strip" clubs. There were all kinds of hot Colombianas to choose from. The most upscale club I would rate just a notch below La Dolce Vita in Cartagena, but then not many places anywhere can compare favorably to LDV. Prices are generally higher there than LDV, I think an hour on site was 150,000 and todo la noche was 200,000. But there were chicas de Medellin, Cali, Barranquilla, etc just like LDV.

Bringing your own is preferable I agree, but not a necessity.[/QUOTE]How about the massage scene in San Andres? Any local bars where local ladies hang out. Any Chica friendly hotels, casas etc. Any experience with prices for services.

Thanx,

Alwayson

Hey Alwayson

I'll probably be there for 3-4 days after I leave Medellin, that is between Dec 11 through the 14th. Are you going to be diving? I will probably take a hottie with me. I have yet to make lodging reservations, and will probably wait til the last minute. Z

My cell phones have all but 850Mhz band.

Can someone pls tell me what company to avoid, because of that, when I go to Colombia?

One more thing. Do they charge same rates all over colombia or they charge roaming while someone travels within the country?

Thanks

El Greco

San Andreas and Providentia are islands near Nicaragua. They may be different. The rest of Colombia has no roaming charges.

I think you will need a phone that works on 850mhz.

Hello Zidaho,

I hope to visit San Andres mid-end of November for one week, that is if feedback re S.A. mongering prospects look good. Are you going to Columbia mainland first, then picking up a hottie and flight from Medellin, Cali or whatever, and if so how much is the flight? I am also looking to go diving. There seems to be a lot of Dive Shops. tours on the Island. I'm sure the diving is great- weather permitting. For that reason, thinking of going on short notice after a clear weather forecast. As you know this is rainy season in the Carribean and this year has not been good at all. Anyway, Jackson was kind enough to start a new thread on San Andres. Maybe we should move our discussions in the future over there. Anyway, looking forward to other mongers input on San Andres, and who knows, maybe even start some sort of regular weekly meeting time\place down in S.A. to swap info, chicas? And other stuff.

Regards,

Alwayson

Yep Surfer ... no charge for incoming calls ... I've been a Comcel guy for years now.

My computer geek was in the office today setting up some stuff. He said he is getting (tomorrow) a broadband box that works anywhere in the world. So for about $150.00 I could buy the box (that uses a local number), and the cool thing about his box, it can be configured to work on a lap top and be a video phone at both ends. There is no monthly fee like there is with Vonage. I think that sounds cool as hell. In fact he says the box can also be configured to work as a wireless device (wherever there is a network connection) so like at the airport, coffee shop, hotel, I could make phone calls from my laptop/box though a little microphone and ear piece. That is a trip . . . I can't wait to go to his office and check it out.

I can really see myself doing business on a beach somewhere in the not too distant future. He thinks it's just a matter of time and cost (not long) before these devices are integrated in laptops. I LOVE this stuff!!! Almost as much as I love those gorgeous women who are amused by my nasty habits!! I hope I can live another 50 years, this just keeps getting better. Z

I have to ask, because I can't find any experiences, or information. Is it more difficult, or more dangerous, for non-whites to monger in Colombia? My experiences with Colombianas is all in Costa Rica, and it seems that upper echelon of ladies can be tough to crack.

located 3 hours by bus from Cali.. no problem with safety here .didnt here 1 gunshot the 8 days here. my second day here the best thing happen.. luis a local guy teacher of english in ARMENIA.. took me places that national geographic mag would love the adventue from will jeep ride in the coffee regi6n. white water raftig paragliding 70k for lovely ride,, sl6w ride down.. .. yes the chicas are here looking for gringos for fun, talk w/ luis every few days as my girlfriend wants him to translate.. the girls are cute here. if any1 here headed to armenia.. contact luis and lucy.. lucy owns s5lver gold store in the park area,, lovely place to chill ,watch lovely latinas coloombians contact me if you need nice crib for your lady weeklly daily rates, in apartment 1 ..2 bedroom.. cheaper then hotel p3us chia friendly,,,, h4ge place

For what it's worth!
Be EXTRA CAREFUL at Cordoba Airport in Medellin!
Take this as First Hand Information.
Ladrones in Quanity are all over, Especially at Avianca Departures.
A stranger will tap you on the back, tell you in Espanol, you have Cream on your back (Actually Elmers Glue) show you, because he rubs your back and then proceeds to show you the cream.While he's doing that another Colombian, proceeds to ask you questions. They'll be persistent, maybe 10 -15 minutes. If you turn your head you've had it. It makes NO difference whether you have a "Baggage Man with a cart" or not. Your Bag or Bags are GONE ! They operate in Teams of three to four indivudals, A driver, most likely a waiting taxi and two to three Ladrones in the Airport itself.
There have been a rash of baggage thefts there. All by "Highly Experienced & Well Trained Gypsy Ladrones." November and December are High Theft Months . I've traveled the World for over forty years and NEVER had a problem up until now.
For What it's worth. . . .Take it from One Who got Burned.
Happy Holidays!

One of our twin engines failed about 45 minutes in the air out of Miami yesterday. We turned around spent the night at the Don Shula Hotel (Nice) and recieved one free RT ticket to anywhere Avianca flies (free) for the next year. That problem gave me an opportunity to chat with some interesting people. One extremely hot blond from Miami, I am pretty sure she's a hooker, (though she frequently referred to her fiance in Cartegena) I didn't buy it, we were hanging out together I don't know for certain but I did get a vibe from her that she was accustomed to close contact, I couldn't get her into my hotel room, though I believe her fiance story was a ruse, I gave it the old monger try. Also, met an attorney from Cartegena, her sister lives in Tennesee. She was interesting she also teaches English, otherwise the two of us wouldn't have much to say since my spanish is as yet, pretty much useless.

Met a fellow monger as we were waiting in the long slow lines, he recently bought a 2 bedrm in the same building I am staying. He and friend of his paid about 50K US for the 2 bedroom condo (about 1,000 sq ft) association dues about $65.00 per month. Just now came back from his apartment having a beer. Wow, great value and nice place for only 50K, on the street side but on the second floor with common pool and huge common deck right out his front door!! He comes here every few months to get a way from the USA. Anyway I am staying at Marinare building in Lequito, (just down the street from Hilton) per Juan Ventura. Nice modern apartment $55.00 per night. Though the HS internet not working that well with my Vonage equipment, calls are spotty as though the connection is too slow.

Took my new NEC quad band phone to Comcel this afternoon, bought SIM chip for about $20.00 and a bunch of minutes for about $100.00 which amounts to about 96 minutes of calling to the USA, or about 333 minutes to other Comcel cell phones in Colombia and about 175 minutes to other Colombia cell servers such as OLA. Hopefully I'll get this VOIP equipment working better so I can be on the phone and work here, playing like I am in the office deligently working, though actually deligently mongering.

My intial take on Cartegena is that it has deeper poverty than Copocabanna. I'll check out the monger talent tonight at LDV though my recent monger acquaintance said Monday is generally slow.

[QUOTE=Dzlkdd]I have to ask, because I can't find any experiences, or information. Is it more difficult, or more dangerous, for non-whites to monger in Colombia? My experiences with Colombianas is all in Costa Rica, and it seems that upper echelon of ladies can be tough to crack.[/QUOTE]


This moreno right here has never had a problem stretching out many a colombiana in the motherland. Just go and enjoy yourself.

I'd just like to expound on my impression of the danger factor in Bogotá and Colombia in general, and how I think it compares to Central America and México.

First of all, Colombia is certainly one of the most dangerous countries in the world, and without a doubt the most violent in the entire hemisphere. They love war even more than we do. However, as is the case more times than not, people tend to take one or two examples and make them representative of a whole group. This isn't to say that crazy shit doesn't happen in Bogotá or elsewhere in Colombia because it does, but like most places, if you lay low and don't look for trouble, you won't find it.

For example, if you want to be the guy who rolls in Armani or other fancy duds and sports a Rolex-like watch, newfangled shoes, or any type of fancy jewelery, real or fake, you're just asking for it. If you want to be ostentatious or flamboyant, then you're going to get the attention you desire, not just from chicas, but from everyone, which means homeless vagabonds, gluesniffers, pandilleros, drunks, desperate taxistas, ect. And this is in addition to the attention you're automatically going to receive for being a foreigner, and there aren't a whole lot of them in Bogotá. If you've never been to a developing country, your best bet is to be modest. You don't need to pack the bling bling or wear easily identifiable designer duds to look good and put out the vibe. Moreover, if you think we're obsessed with brand names, imagine what people who live in poverty identify with Polo or Tommy, those hollow yet prodigious symbols of power and style? When you can't find gainful employment or put food on the table, the only chance you're going to have designer clothes is to steal them. They eat up American culture like we eat up the lies fed to us by our politicians. There's a reason all the school kids wear uniforms in these countries - because they used to mug and kill each other over Nike sneakers and Polo shirts when they were allowed to don them in the classroom.

Second, don't do stupid things. DON'T stay in a bad neighborhood just to save 20.000 pesos on a hotel. Don't go wandering around at night after slurping down a bottle of rum, especially if you're alone. Don't hop in an unmarked taxi or one with a passenger riding shotgun. Don't wander the streets with a travel guide in hand. And don't trust the dame you just met with great tits when she asks you to head out of town or to some distant local. Bottom line, do your research and just use common sense, and don't fear everything. God knows people do enough of that here in the US.

Sadly, I'm somewhat of a hypocrite, as I wandered around El Centro at night by myself without incident, and walked to and from the area around La Piscina and El Castillo to my hotel on 8 con 24 without any problems, but I also have friends from Colombia who told me the real deal before I went. In my opinion, Guatemala City, Tegucigalpa and San Salvador are WAY worse than Bogotá. Of course, I didn't go near the most notorious barrios in Bogotá, but that's because I'm not crazy. I wandered all over, especially in the daytime, but took more caution at night, and didn't go anywhere I didn't need to. It's just like Mexico City - stay within the limits outlined by the metro, don't be an ass, and you won't have any problems. (I know this sounds stupid, but when you're alone, walking briskly, looking kind-of mean, and appearing sure of where you're going has an effect on people.) I spent a month in Teguc under marshall law because of the gang problem, and heard gun shots EVERY night where I lived in Guatemala City, three blocks from the US embassy. The gang violence was all over, but if you knew where to stay away from, it wasn't a problem. From what I ascertained, there really aren't any big gang problems in Bogotá, at least not like Central America. I'm not recommending doing what I did, but I've spent years in Latin America and have seen much worse than Bogotá.

Anyway, as stated earlier, there are real problems in Colombia, but unlike Central America where the violence pervades the cities, it is the campo that is the real danger in Colombia, and many of the bus routes which traverse these regions. It is a Latin species of the Wild West for sure. But so long as you don't go wearing your best clothes or most expensive trinkets and gadgets, assuming you don't wander aimlessly into a bad neighborhood or some dive frequented by drunken mafiosos, there's no need to fear thieves, kidnappers or murderers - again, given that you know where not to go, especially at night. And of course, don't go hitting on a colombiano's chava or getting tough with the locals after having one too many, because they know better than you do how far away from home you are. Use the buddy system and respect local laws and customs!

When I arrived in Bogotá at 8:00 PM, I got through customs in 15 minutes, changed money, and was in a taxi driven by the most informative dude you could ask for five minutes later, who even took the circuitous route to give me a tour of the capital while pointing out landmarks and suggesting places to see, things to do, areas to avoid. It was great. And I didn't even know where I was staying my first night, though I'm glad I had done my research because they insist you give them the name of the hotel where you're staying. I utilized my taxista and found a nice place after discussing my options and explaining my game plan, got some eats and then hit the ground running. Bogotá es una ciudad bien vigilada. (I have to add that I didn't see a single American during five days in the capital, and very few Europeans, which made the nocturnal excursions all the more fun, as you can get the girls to vie for you if your game is good.)

Though I have read a few posts here relating some serious predicaments people have found themselves in down there, you should also realize that as far as a kidnapper or thief is concerned, if you look like you have money, you're going to be targeted. That's the deal anywhere. And if you stay in a five-star hotel, well, then you're a more appealing prize to someone who stays in a three-star joint. Hippie backpackers don't get kidnapped in Bogotá. Business men in suits and ties do. And as always, there is safety in numbers.

No need to wear sweatpants and baseball hats, just tone it down and keep it real and put on your charm. The chicas will smell what you're cooking and you'll have a blast. Do bring something warm though, it gets cold at night. And if you're fair-skinned, wear sunblock even on cloudy days, you'll be glad you did.

Party on.

[quote=zidaho]one of our twin engines failed about 45 minutes in the air out of miami yesterday.

though the hs internet not working that well with my vonage equipment, calls are spotty as though the connection is too slow.
[/quote]

hate etops. best not even to think about it.

for voip problems try [url]http://myspeed.visualware.com/voip/index.html[/url]

Wassup Fellow Mongers:

I am flying into Baq Friday but need to get to Cartagena. Can anyone shed some light on my options. Is there a shuttle, bus or should I take taxi? Please advise and how much I should pay. Also, how long is that ride if anyone knows?

Thanks.

LL7

Hello fellow mongerers,

I have some questions for the veterans of Columbia. I am so close to booking a trip to Bogota (my first time) for February 18-26, 2006.

I am in my mid-20s, Asian, and I speak fluent Spanish. I would like to think I am decent good-looking (by Asian standards) and have good game, too. I would be traveling alone because my friends prefer "safer" destinations. I have had great times in TJ and Rio, and I have already booked a trip to Buenos Aires in March 2006.

1. Would a week solely in Bogotá be too long for a first-timer? Would it be worth my time/money to stay maybe 4 days in Bogotá, and maybe booking a domestic flight to go to anther destination (e.g. Cali) for for 3 days? The reason is that the airfare roundtrip to Bogota is so much cheaper than any other city ($620 from midwest), and I looked into open jaw prices and multicity prices.

2. Is Columbia/Bogota affected much by Carnival (prices jacked up/overcrowding with tourists)? I would be traveling in the week before Ash Wednesday and leaving Sunday morning of the weekend before Ash Wednesday.

3. I've read that Sundays are pretty dead in Bogotá (actionwise and tourism stuff). I may potentially fly in on Saturday night. I am considering flying in on Sunday night... and starting fresh on Monday morning (with mongering/tourism stuff).

4. I did various searches and couldn't find an answer. I really like my BBBJs, is this service offered more often than not (like in Rio)?

5. Is getting a cell phone helpful/worthwhile (certainly very helpful, if not considered essential, in Rio)? I have unlocked GSM phones.

Thank you for any advice that you may be able to provide.

Team Stream

I looked at a multicity trip, and I could fly to another city (e.g. MDE, CTG) for an additional 25$. So this is close to a no-brainer, I believe.

flying in to BOG on Saturday/Sunday night
can fly to another city (MDE, CTG, and I'm open to other suggestions) on Tues / Wed / Thurs night. Fly back to USA on Sunday morning

I am leaning towards CTG because it'll be beach town, and I can hang/relax on the beach at least for a portion of my vacation.

I thought about going to Barranquilla for the other city, but I just thought it'll be too crazy/costly (weekend before Ash Wednesday/Carnival main weekend) for a first-timer to Columbia who is traveling alone.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance for your responses.

Agree 100%.

Don't be an arse. Live longer, its that simple.

I understand there is a tax if $USD is changed in Columbia. Can $EUROS be cashed in Columbia without a tax?

Lover,

I took the Invertours shuttle from Barranquilla to Cartagena last spring. It took a little over an hour.

Not only was it on time, but arrived 15 minutes early. Hotel door to hotel door for $25.

It gets you right through the traffic stops on the highway in no time, as the military is used to waving it through five times a day.

Plus, you can meet some interesting fellow travelers.

Definitely the way to go. Contact:

Invertours del Caribe (servicing Barranquilla, Cartagena, Santa Marta, & Valledupar)

[url]www.invertours.com[/url] (or invertours dot com)

BAQ - Cra. 47 No. 75-07 tel: 5-368-2990 cel: 300-810-5686
CTG - Calle 70 No. 2-35 Crespo tel: 5-656-3757 cel: 315-712-3683
Santa Marta - Cra. 4 No. 13-61 El Rodadero tel: 5-422-3344 cel:300-816-1601

DB

[QUOTE=Latina Lover7]Wassup Fellow Mongers:

I am flying into Baq Friday but need to get to Cartagena. Can anyone shed some light on my options. Is there a shuttle, bus or should I take taxi? Please advise and how much I should pay. Also, how long is that ride if anyone knows?

Thanks.

LL7[/QUOTE]

These days TJ is more dangerous than big Colombian cities. My opinion is it is worth getting a cell phone. Because most of your questions are not sex related may I suggest posting on poorbuthappy.com forum (for non-sexual content). Lastly the country name is spelled Colombia.

1. Invertours costs COP25.000 each way, not $25, to and from BAQ to CTG, to and from BAQ to Santa Marta. Service is door to door, as stated. Last van leaves at 6:00 pm from each city.

2. Invertours no longer travels to Valledupar.

NOTE: They will take you to the BAQ airport from CTG for COP35.000. They drive you into BAQ along with the other passengers, then an Invertours taxi meets the van upon entry into BAQ to take you to the airport separately.

- They will not pick you up from the BAQ airport, as it's completely out of the way from the CTG-BAQ, BAQ-CTG route. They offer a private cab service from BAQ airport to CTG for COP150.000 (approx. cost of vanload of 6 to CTG). You will need to call to set that up. If you want the COP25.000 service, best bet is to catch a cab at the airport into the BAQ office (approx. COP20.000, then take the van service into CTG. Will take about 2 hours.

- Always call to make reservations at least 1 day ahead of your travel. They usually call whatever local/cellular # that you provide them to confirm on the day of travel.

- Everything's in Spanish. There are other services like this. In fact, many Colombians travel this way as opposed to taxis and buses as it's safer, more professional, more cost-efficient, more reliable, and more timely. I've never had an issue in over 10-15 times using Invertours over the past 2 years.

Recent military stop experience: On my last trip in Nov. 2005, we were pulled over by the military and they performed a complete search of everyone's bags and luggage. Everything on the up and up. Just increased scrutiny due to a major cocaine bust in the area. Our van driver was pretty known along that route, provided them with the passenger list. No harassment or anything. In fact, the 3 guys were very cordial and professional. 2 had family in the USA. It was actually funny watching as they COMPLETELY searched this older European couple's bags. Big ass panties, bras, and all. LOL!!! 15 minutes later, we were on our way.

Best wishes.

[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]Lover,

I took the Invertours shuttle from Barranquilla to Cartagena last spring. It took a little over an hour.

Not only was it on time, but arrived 15 minutes early. Hotel door to hotel door for $25.

It gets you right through the traffic stops on the highway in no time, as the military is used to waving it through five times a day.

Plus, you can meet some interesting fellow travelers.

Definitely the way to go. Contact:

Invertours del Caribe (servicing Barranquilla, Cartagena, Santa Marta, & Valledupar)

[url]www.invertours.com[/url] (or invertours dot com)

BAQ - Cra. 47 No. 75-07 tel: 5-368-2990 cel: 300-810-5686
CTG - Calle 70 No. 2-35 Crespo tel: 5-656-3757 cel: 315-712-3683
Santa Marta - Cra. 4 No. 13-61 El Rodadero tel: 5-422-3344 cel:300-816-1601

DB[/QUOTE]

This is my first post, though I have been reading here for 2 months now. I was originally interested in going to the Ukraine or Poland, I have a closre friend in Warsaw, and as an 80s child, all things of the former USSR or "Evil Empire" fascinate me.

However I stumbled into this forum and read about all the varities of women in Colombia. So now I am planning a trip to BAQ for next Sep-Oct.

A few questions for the vets:

I love big breasts, but alas have never been able to bask in their glory up close. How abundant are large chests in Colombia?

I'm a pretty good looking guy who has no problems attracting women in my home town. So my main interest is looking for college girls who need a donation, etc. Good pickings?

Anyone have information on apartments for rent? I would like to stay for 2 weeks or so.

Thanks in advance and cheers!

Has anyone ever used this service, if so, what did you think of it?

[url]http://www.lafeemme.com/[/url]

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Furiouz]Has anyone ever used this service, if so, what did you think of it?

[url]http://www.lafeemme.com/[/url]

Cheers![/QUOTE]

Looks to me like standard porn pics. Bet ya none of the girls resemble even remotely their pics.

See the Bogotá forum for other options.

My name is Tom, have been a long time voyour of this site, silently reading, looking, watching and admiring some of your stories and conquests. Simply awesome.

Myself, I'm an avid hobbiest that has been everywhere in SE Asia, I just got back from a 7-week sting in Thailand, Malaysia and Vietnam, but have spent nearly 12 months over the past 3 years on the ground in SE Asia, and do consider myself a pro in that arena.

But, I am a complete novice in traveilng through S. America... and I am going to schedule my first trip this March or April. Just a week recon mission, to get a taste of the flavor. I studied spanish for 4 years of High school, but I am rusty. 30 years old, attractive and fit, very good manners, etc. Looking for a playground that is closer than Thailand. The 24-hour flights is a killer.

I want to go to Cartegena, am interested in the other hot spots, Cali, Medellin, etcx... But am interested in where to stay in Ctg. Any local contacts, hints, phone numbers. Any Expats that want to show me around for a day in trade for a few rounds of beers and laughs?? Please PM me. Else I am also glad to trade info on SE Asia, I have sooo many contacts, places to stay, routes, itineraries, etc.

Fellas, thanks in advance. Happy Holidays, and I hope to become a more active member in this community.

I suggest you stick to Cartagena for your first trip, ESPECIALLY if your Spanish is not soild. The biggest danger you will face is a new addiction, especially if you like orgasmic women, as Latinas are light years ahead of ALL Asians in that regard. VERY few who know both well (and I have been to BOTH SE Asia and SA more than 10 times each) disagree. No gogo bars (well a couple with weakl stripo shows but NOTHING like in LOS or POI) or point and click stuff like in LOS or PI, but the passion is MORE than worth the sacrifice.

[QUOTE=Surfer]I suggest you stick to Cartagena for your first trip, ESPECIALLY if your Spanish is not soild. The biggest danger you will face is a new addiction, especially if you like orgasmic women, as Latinas are light years ahead of ALL Asians in that regard. VERY few who know both well (and I have been to BOTH SE Asia and SA more than 10 times each) disagree. No gogo bars (well a couple with weakl stripo shows but NOTHING like in LOS or POI) or point and click stuff like in LOS or PI, but the passion is MORE than worth the sacrifice.[/QUOTE]
Tee Bone,

Although I am certainly not the Colombia expert Surfer is (having been there once for a couple of weeks recently), but as someone who has been to SEA before and has traveled extensively in Central/South America, I agree that for your first trip, Cartagena is your best bet since you can get by there without a lot of Spanish, while in other parts of Columbia, this may be dicey. I recently (December 9) wrote a detailed report in the Cartagena section, including things to do, excursions, the hotel I stayed at (and its girl friendliness), non-pros, pros, etc. Cartagena can easily keep you busy for a week, so I think there is no need to go anywhere else on a recon mission. Hope this is helpful for your upcoming trip.

EA

Tee Bone: Hell don't limit yourself just to Cartagena, I would hit Aussie's place, I've never been there myself but that place looks like a giant Disney Land for Adults! I've had a friend or two that have been to both Med and CTG and they fell in love with both places.

If you studied spanish for 4 years, that should be enough to get you by!

Hell I only studied for 3 years and I was my own teacher! As long as you can say Cuanto para su puerta trasera? and Mucho dinero! 100,000 No mas Mami!

As far as apartments go Tom33, has listed a few just read back a few pages, and on the BAQ board Hoof Hunter listed about 40 or so Hotels for BAQ!

[QUOTE=Tee Bone]My name is Tom, have been a long time voyour of this site, silently reading, looking, watching and admiring some of your stories and conquests. Simply awesome.

Myself, I'm an avid hobbiest that has been everywhere in SE Asia, I just got back from a 7-week sting in Thailand, Malaysia and Vietnam, but have spent nearly 12 months over the past 3 years on the ground in SE Asia, and do consider myself a pro in that arena.

But, I am a complete novice in traveilng through S. America... and I am going to schedule my first trip this March or April. Just a week recon mission, to get a taste of the flavor. I studied spanish for 4 years of High school, but I am rusty. 30 years old, attractive and fit, very good manners, etc. Looking for a playground that is closer than Thailand. The 24-hour flights is a killer.

I want to go to Cartegena, am interested in the other hot spots, Cali, Medellin, etcx... But am interested in where to stay in Ctg. Any local contacts, hints, phone numbers. Any Expats that want to show me around for a day in trade for a few rounds of beers and laughs?? Please PM me. Else I am also glad to trade info on SE Asia, I have sooo many contacts, places to stay, routes, itineraries, etc.

Fellas, thanks in advance. Happy Holidays, and I hope to become a more active member in this community.[/QUOTE]

TeeBone,

You could do OK just staying in Cartagena that one week. Hanging out in the Laguito neighbourhood gets old pretty quickly though, so you would want to do some of the following for variety:

- Go out to the islands on a boat (nice clearwater Caribbean beaches, nothing like the Cartagena city beach which is below average).
- Date some non-pro (people report great success lining them up on cybercupido.com or amigos.com)
- See the tourist sites
- Walk around town, hit the shopping malls which are a good place for meeting people.

If you can extend that week to 9 or 10 days, try and do the trip to take in two weekends and the weekdays in between. Weeknights Monday - Wednesday are quiet in Cartagena (LDV is excellent 7 nights per week but variety is always good).

[QUOTE=Cachorro]
- Walk around town, hit the shopping malls which are a good place for meeting people.[/QUOTE]

Never found any really good malls in CTG. Where do you suggest?

You would never just stumble upon them in the normal tourist track between Laguito and la Ciudad Vieja. You WOULD find nice girls that would never think of hanging at LDV or Tripletera though. There are two large, plush, malls though the names of both escape me. Surely Tom or another CTG regular will know the names.

The big one is Centro Negocio de Castellaña(or something similar) in Barrio Castellaña. There is another one not far away from the big one.

I guess I'm a big slug. I can just hang out in Laguito and Bocagrande for months at a time. There is a very nice rotation of chicas that provides the variety. I do make it into centro on occasion to buy fresh flowers. I'm still waiting to get bored after three years.

[QUOTE=Tom 33]The big one is Centro Negocio de Castellaña (or something similar) in Barrio Castellaña. There is another one not far away from the big one.[/QUOTE]
I think I've been to that one, though the GF referred to it as "Vivero de la Castellana". The name is Centro Comercial Paseo de la Castellana on Av. Pedro de Heredia. It is a bit past the Plaza de Toros and the Real Cartagena soccer stadium at the Villa Olimpica, coming from Centro. This is definitely a long way from the center of the city and way off the usual Centro/Bocagrande/Laguito tourist circuit. Checking out the hotties there, though, was definitely worth the detour.

Here's a helpful website with tons of info (in Spanish only, though), including current cab rates to/from different parts of town: [url]http://www.cartagenaonline.com/informa2.html[/url]. They have a few maps of Cartagena, too: [url]http://www.cartagenainfo.com/mapas/[/url]. More maps at [url]http://www.cartagenatravel.com/english/maps.htm[/url].

EA

EA is correct on the name. A friend just E'd me with the name of the other one, Centro Comercial Executivo.

There's another shopping center that has alot of hotties called el "SAO". Its pretty close to "La Castellana".

Anyone have any idea where I can check to get the best airfare from Bogota to Mexico, speciifically to Puerto Vallarta in February. I only know of Mexicana and they want $900.+ for a roundtrip ticket which includes tax. Any information you can provide me will be greatly appreciated!

[QUOTE=On The Go]Anyone have any idea where I can check to get the best airfare from Bogota to Mexico, speciifically to Puerto Vallarta in February. I only know of Mexicana and they want $900.+ for a roundtrip ticket which includes tax. Any information you can provide me will be greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]
You might wanna check with both Avianca ([url]www.avianca.com[/url]) and Copa Airlines ([url]www.copaair.com[/url]). I know Avianca has a direct flight BOG to MEX, which they code-share with Mexicana. Copa, of course, routes via Panama City (PTY), and as far as I can see, they don't fly directly into Puerto Vallarta (Avianca doesn't either).

EA

Hi Guys :

Which city in Colombia you find prettiest, fair skinned and light brown women.


Thanks,
Tony.

I Am Partial To Bucaramanga But Bogota Has Many Many Beautiful Latinas With Light Complexions.

I guess you guy´s have never been to MDE

The Auusie.


[QUOTE=nick]I Am Partial To Bucaramanga But Bogota Has Many Many Beautiful Latinas With Light Complexions.[/QUOTE]

I haven't Greg but i will be coming to Colombia the first of April and i am hoping to go to Medellin. I have met several latinas from Medellin in my city and they were very very nice. I have a fiance in Bucaramanga and most of my time has been spent there. In all of Colombia's large cities there are tons of beautiful ladies. I really fine it hard to choose a certain city with the most beautiful women.

there are NOT beautiful women in every city in Colombia, that is TOTALLY untrue. OK, maybe there are a few, but most are not gonna get all hot and bothered just because a sweet talking gringo comes to town looking to get busy. Only in Cartagena and Medellin (really Poblado) does that happen, the only English friendly parts of Colombia (well San Andres too).

Really, it is primarily Robert and Greg that make Medellin so accesible to non Spanish speakers as not very many people outside THE most upscale businesses will speak much Ingles. Greg himself is proof, however, that one can still do quite well in Medellin even with minimal Spanish skills.

Hiya Greg. Still waiting to see the New Year's Eve pictures of the Mango's girls as I KNOW you took HEAPS! (not so subtle hint).

Me and a buddy have a 10 day vacation planned. Which city should be go to Catagena, or Medellin? We really have two goals in mind for this vacation, obviously Chicas being number 1 but followed by the idea of having a good time partying, drinking, etc. Our plan is to stay at Greg's place in Medellin or Juan's penthouse in CTG. Should we do both? How would you split up the time? The beach is reaol appealing in CTG, but I think the Chicas are better in Medellin. BTW, we do not speak Spanish.

Any help guys in us making up our minds would be great!

[url]http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/soccer/13584221.htm[/url]

And the article in its entirety follows:

Posted on Mon, Jan. 09, 2006

Colombian soccer player shot and killed

Associated Press

BOGOTA, Colombia - Elson Becerra, a forward on Colombia's national soccer team, was shot and killed along with a friend in a Cartagena discotheque, police said Monday.

The 27-year-old Becerra was dancing in a night club Sunday when attackers shot him four times, said Col. Mauricio Agudelo, police chief of Bolivar state.
Becerra and his friend, Alexander Rios apparently had an argument some days earlier with the unknown assailants who then came to the bar looking for them, the police chief said.

"The attackers were looking for a chance in the discotheque and in the middle of the music they committed the double crime," Agudelo said.
The suspects remain on the loose, but Agudelo said the police know who they are and expect arrests "at any moment."

Becerra played for Colombia when it won the Copa America in 2001 and played some games for the national team during World Cup 2006 qualifiers.
Most recently, Becerra had played for a team in the United Arab Emirates.
The striker often is remembered for trying to help Cameroon player Marc-Vivien Foe after he collapsed on the field during a Confederations Cup game in 2003. The Cameroon star later died.

just don't get in an argument with colombianos a few days earlier.

99.99% of the killings are colombian men killing their own.

just stick to making whoopee with the girls and you will be ok.

It happened in La Boquilla which is north of Crespo(airport). That's the other direction from centro and a long way from Laguito/Bocagrande. I'm not sure of the name of the club, but I believe that it's the one I was at two different times right on the beach. It seemed safe enough to me.

Another reminder to mind your own business.

Colombia without speaking spanish? Don't know if I'd recommend that...But if you're determined to do the trip, I would think you will need the mansion for sure. And Juan does speak english, but man, you will struggle when you don't have a translator with you. Just making it through the airport, dealing with taxis, etc.
Can be done though I suppose. Anyone else care to chime in?

Shadow,

Thank you for your insight. At first I was concerned about safety being two obvious gringos, but I think I am over that from what I have read it seems safe enough in Colombia. Now I guess my concern is how much are we going to struggle without speaking Spanish. Will it ruin our vacation? I do spend a good amount of time in Mexico but mostly in tourist locations, not knowing Spanish is not an issue.. But I am starting to feel that the lack of tourism in Colombia may really effect how much we will struggle down there. I do know that cruise ships drop people off in CTG and it does seem like tourism is somewhat present so maybe CTG won't be that bad for us? Will doing things like going through the airport really be aa problem for us? One thought we had was to stay at the Hilton instead of renting an apartment thinking that it may be more tourist friendly, just a better home base?

One thing I have to say though, is that we are young guys and are not afraid of a challenge, I just do not want to be miserable wishing we had gone to LOS. We both really dig Latin women and think this could be a great experience that we keep coming back for. Again any help guys would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Racer07]Now I guess my concern is how much are we going to struggle without speaking Spanish. Will it ruin our vacation? I do spend a good amount of time in Mexico but mostly in tourist locations, not knowing Spanish is not an issue.. But I am starting to feel that the lack of tourism in Colombia may really effect how much we will struggle down there.[/QUOTE]
Racer,

You've got to start somewhere, and Colombian Spanish is one of the easiest to understand in the world.

Obviously, you have some time since you haven't set your plans yet. Get a phrase book, buy some tapes or CD's and listen and repeat the words for half an hour twice a day, put Spanish subtitles on your TV and movies, and go for it!

You can even go to a place like Borders and pick up flash cards to build your vocabulary.

In the begin you can get by without learning all of the conjugations. It you say "salir" they know it means to leave. It might take a second for them to figure out if you are leaving or someone else is, but they will get it.

It is certainly better to speak bad Spanish than no Spanish at all.

The locals will love that you are trying and will be glad to help you.

DB

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My Spanish was virtually non-existent when I first visited Cartagena. I managed to muck through. I think you can do the same. You could probably manage in Medellin with Greg's driver picking you up. But Medellin might be a bit much.

I would suggest that you stay in an apartment in Laguito. You could contact Mery(recently listed on the CTG thread) or Juan Ventura([url]http://www.zepelion.com/apartamentos/index.htm[/url]). They both speak pretty good English.

I agree with Dodger. You have time before your trip, give yourself a cram course in spanish. Invest the time knowing you will need some basic spanish to enhance your trip. I'm not trying to discourage you, I just know from first-hand experience the difference between going to Costa Rica or more touristy locations, as opposed to Cartagena.
I started with the Pimsleur spanish tapes. Very easy to learn at least the basics. My spanish is still weak, but I'm always trying to work on it. CTG is the reason I make the effort.

Hello all. pleaze look up luis in Armenia for seeing were the locals chase skirts here. the girls are cheaper here, taxias 2 pesos most time for rides all over..Those who never been to this region Armenia. .everything paradise here.. chicas, weather, coffee ,bananas weed 2 pesos for oz. mountains, rivers .. the willey jeeps everywere on the roads.. the roads are very safe to travel as luis knows everybody here for friendly advice.. if you need pickup at airport or bus station to hotel. let me know the dates arrvival. or sho6t the shit w/ him. fun guy to chat with..speaks exclellent english... 011 57 315 421 8925... skip bogota for pussey cartagena too Cali good for beaver but can be dangerous plus the streets are fill with trash.

[size=-2][u]EDITOR's NOTE[/u]: [blue]The above report, while technically a SPAM advertisement, constitutes an exception to the Forum's No SPAM rules in that I generally permit what I call "Local Tour Guides" to promote the availability of their services in the Forum. Of course, in exchange for this privledge they are expected to answer questions and otherwise contribute relevant information to the Forum. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size]

whoring , not feeling safe walkkng the streets by yourself . Yes Cali not the choice of city for relaxing unless your crib can keep with the ladies from not leaving... [email]lostinparadiseme@aol.com[/email] for pictures of armenia and the ladies. my friend luis is gatherig photos as we speak.. tryin to download pictures. Whats in Armenia... farmland Colombian style coffee.. bananas chicas lookin sexy in cafes.. if your in Cali NOW... i promise you good time charlie here In ARMENIA..

What were those balloons for that are seen in some of your photos?

Very curious,

Thanks

The Jan 11 promo for Luis was one thing, but let us HOPE it will not be repeated every three days (IMHO the january 14th post was WAY too soon to resume the spamming). Further, it contains Luis' email addres which is a violation of WSG rules. Don't know Luis, or anybody in Armenia (other than a lady met online), but I hate to see USEFUL CONTENT diluted by everybody spamming for "their" preferred guide.

Is it hard to understand how to calculate and spend COP since it is so small ?

Does anyone know if the bancs (or what particular banc) will give cash advances on a credit card? Up to how much? Colombian pesos are fine.

[QUOTE=Player2]Is it hard to understand how to calculate and spend COP since it is so small ?[/QUOTE]I forgot what resource/report I got this from, but it seems to work!

CP divided by two then take 10% off that

Example $100,000 CP Divided by 2 is $50.00 Minus 10% is $45.00

So i.e. $100,000 CP's is Roughly $45.00.

Easy right!

A have a few questions for thos acquainted with Armenia/Cali

What options do you have to get from Cali to Armenia
How long does it take to get to Armenia (depending on the options)
If bus is the only option : where do you find busses going to Armenia ?
Do you travel to Armenia at "late" or very "early morning" hours ? Or only during daylight times ?

Thanks for feedback.

[QUOTE=Cream on Top]A have a few questions for thos acquainted with Armenia/Cali

What options do you have to get from Cali to Armenia
How long does it take to get to Armenia (depending on the options)
If bus is the only option : where do you find busses going to Armenia ?
Do you travel to Armenia at "late" or very "early morning" hours ? Or only during daylight times ?

Thanks for feedback.[/QUOTE]If you go to main bus terminal a taxi will charge 21k cop/passenger so if you pay for four tickets (84k cop) you get it all to yourself. It is a very safe trip.

a person name who to call. Tampa area to send from. thanks

PM me, my wifes family has a service that does cargo and deliveries to Colombia.
My friend is an expat living in manizales he has a glass table factory and is very happy with their service. I can not get a tab on your name for PM.

[QUOTE=Lost In Paradise]a person name who to call. Tampa area to send from. thanks[/QUOTE]

is the shipper servicentra .

call you. the shipment can take 30days so i can be there. whats the max,weight on boxes.. if some1 w/ exper. sending large parcels of household items all intact ,legally declared.. i will owe you the best helpful advice on Armenia ..

[QUOTE=Surfer]The Jan 11 promo for Luis was one thing, but let us HOPE it will not be repeated every three days (IMHO the january 14th post was WAY too soon to resume the spamming). Further, it contains Luis' email addres which is a violation of WSG rules. Don't know Luis, or anybody in Armenia (other than a lady met online), but I hate to see USEFUL CONTENT diluted by everybody spamming for "their" preferred guide.[/QUOTE]

........I of course, agree Surfer. You're right, posting emails is prohibited here and spamming does nothing but block up the board and distract us all from relevant content.

On a different note, did someone mention Armenia? I met a girl online from there and a chica named Lucianna (picture on Curacao board) in Curacao from there.

Anybody have any hotel/accomodation reccomendations from Armenia they care to post here?

thanks....

Quitiote. if you need adreese luis has. 40k very conf6rtable. 24 hour security. hot water, decorated w/ colombian paintings/ artwork. any1 heard of don quitote, owner of place nephew of this hero... love motel 1 block away 60k not bad i heard from Sean . heavy jacket sweater bring for girl presnt. nice gift. very expensive in colombia..

I usually like to take a few gifts for the chicas with me when I visit Colombia. One of the big suprises for me was how popular moving and singing stuffed animals are. For some reason I have never seen one in Colombia and either have the chicas.

To see what I am talking about go pay a visit to your local pharmacy. The Easter things are being put out now. Look at the stuffed animals and look for the ones that sing and move after you push a button.

I bought one last night on sale for $7.79. It is a pink and reddish color chicken. also comes in bright yellow. Push the button and the thing will dance and sings "lets do the chicken dance".

I do not know why but most Colombian chicas will go wild over the stupid chicken. I have been in a hotel where I will show the chicken to a chica at the reception desk. Next time by, she asked me to bring it back so her friends could see it and almost all of the female staff would be waiting for my return to see the chicken. Easy way to meet everyone. And of course everybody wanted it.

I have taken my chicken "amigo" with me to various places. Fast and easy way to meet the chicas. Only problem is figuring out who will receive the chicken as a present.

Hello, I am currently in Quito Ecuador, but will be leaving for Colombia in the near future, possibly as early as the end of this month. I RTFF but couldn't find any information on crossing the border from Ecuador into Colombia. What I would like to do is take a bus from Quito to Tulcan, cross the border on foot into Colombia, and then fly from a border town (Pasto or Ipiales? not sure) to Cali. Has anyone ever done this, or have any info on crossing the border into Colombia? I know the border area is dangerous, but from what I understand the Tulcan border crossing is one of the safer entry points. Also, which major city in Colombia has the least amount of gringo tourists, I'm assuming Cali, but maybe I am wrong? Thats the reason why I am interested in checking out Cali, and not somewhere like Cartagena or Medellin. Any info would be appreciated, hopefully I can contribute to the Colombia boards like I have to the Brasil and Ecuador boards!

E,

For the border question, you can probably find a good answer on [url]http://thorntree.lonelyplanet.com[/url] .

The major city with the least amount of tourists is probably Barranquilla (4th largest), followed by Cali (3rd largest). I don't know why you are concerned about that -- Colombia is not heavily touristed and there are enough honeys to go around.

Another gift that the chicas liked was nice-smelling lotion. I had some lotions that I snagged from a previous stay in Miami (small bottle of Bath & Bodyworks - with basil in it). The chicas all digged it, and I ended up giving away 1/2 full bottle of sample size lotion on a chicas demands of "regalame." I then went to the Olveido mall in Medellin to look for something like it, and there just wasn't much of a selection! Plus the import taxes made it significantly more expensive in the states (same thing I found on buying wine in Colombia - you're gonna pay much more for good bottle of wine in Colombia then in States or in Argentina). So if you need something practical (for the chicas line of work) and you want to feel a nice soft American strippers' skin in Colombia on your chica, that may be the way to go.

Peace out.

Dickfer (who has both of his hands on the keyboard at the moment).

t[QUOTE=Treeshark]I usually like to take a few gifts for the chicas with me when I visit Colombia. One of the big suprises for me was how popular moving and singing stuffed animals are. For some reason I have never seen one in Colombia and either have the chicas.

To see what I am talking about go pay a visit to your local pharmacy. The Easter things are being put out now. Look at the stuffed animals and look for the ones that sing and move after you push a button.

I bought one last night on sale for $7.79. It is a pink and reddish color chicken. also comes in bright yellow. Push the button and the thing will dance and sings "lets do the chicken dance".

I do not know why but most Colombian chicas will go wild over the stupid chicken. I have been in a hotel where I will show the chicken to a chica at the reception desk. Next time by, she asked me to bring it back so her friends could see it and almost all of the female staff would be waiting for my return to see the chicken. Easy way to meet everyone. And of course everybody wanted it.

I have taken my chicken "amigo" with me to various places. Fast and easy way to meet the chicas. Only problem is figuring out who will receive the chicken as a present.[/QUOTE]

Plenty of honeys in CTG, but the exponentiallyincreasing number of mongers is about to blow prices sky-high, probably get the morals industry involved as well.

Hello . please some1 with digtal camara take a bus over to Armenia meet luis . He has this beautiful 2 bedroom apartment waiting for me the 3oth march 150u.s.weekly. i wanna see what it looks like.. once there have luis introduce to many girls he knows dying to meet you. luis # is 011 57 315 421 8925.. yes he speaks english. telll him Ryan put ad on internet.

You must pass through Popayan, and having been there (I flew in from BOG) I can say that guerillas control the countryside just outside town in every direction. A MUCH better idea is to take the TAME Flight from Tulcan to Cali.
I agre that CAli and BAQ have the least gringos of the major cities. I would also try Bucaramanga.

Hey Ryan: give it a rest. Oh Jackson, there must be SOME limit to your tolerance. You zealously police grammar errors or insertion of email addresses but Ryan's shilling on all the colombia boards is so blatant yet persists without censure.

When azzie greg advertise is high price place. i do'nt hear you openning your big mouth.. my arrival in Cali is March 3oth we can have a beer and visit a *****house together. .

Beers on me in Cali. then i'm off to Armenia the next morning with digtal camara of the lovely ladies here. Why do you sit on your computer and judge me . i offer luis for gringos who have no clue whats available in this region. peter solorano offer his service on this page,.No Surfer bad mouthing on your part.. i talk with luis last nite he just want small pay for service render. give me a break Surfer. I think if you met him you wouldnt be so harsh on me.

This forum is about assisting people who needs may include affordable housing chicas,jeep rentals outdoor adventures at Colombian prices. I cannot for the life of me why Surfer is bad mouthing me,he's never met me. The truth is, coming to Colombia for the first time without spanish is very diffcult. What better then a local.english speaking to assist you. You don't even have to use his service.just meet him for friendly advice AND say thanks.. Surfer when i fiinished my 2 weeks in Armenia. ill write down all the *****houses prices adreeses, chicas phone #s .photos of chicas with permission. .then no need then for luis help. ill agree to that and leave it on the board for viewing

Maybe you are not a bad guy. But I think you are spamming around on this forum. Unlike Aussie Greg and Nibu Raphael who have their own thread.
I would like you to go away from this forum. Maybe there are more of those people. See the following posts
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=438873#post450[/url]

your posts get very boring. I am sorry, but that is the truth. You did a service to the board by letting them know about Luis in Armenia. That was good information the FIRST TIME. By repeating it "casi" weekly, and on many of the different threads in the Colombian section, you are making people who might have used Luis, dislike him only for the reason that you continue to tout him.

You should probably think about making a point to post his information once a month, or once a quarter. Mongers are always asked to RTFF so your information will be there for the monger going to Armenia.

I know if and when I go to Armenia, I will look up Luis. If he knows the scene and the chicas, then he is a valuable tool for enhancing the pleasure of our hobby.

Please, think about this suggestion and try it. I bet your "popularity" increases! (and you won't make me and others put you on our ignore list)

Thanks,

$Bill

[QUOTE=Fido Dido]Maybe you are not a bad guy. But I think you are spamming around on this forum. Unlike Aussie Greg and Nibu Raphael who have their own thread.
I would like you to go away from this forum. Maybe there are more of those people. See the following posts
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=438873#post450[/url][/QUOTE]


I think 3-12 months "self-imposed banishment" from ISG is justified for the forgivness of your sins. Fido, what do you think? I did see your post earlier in the Cuba photos section about L.I.P. stealing your photo of the garota from Rio. I thought she was very cute, and a sweet little skinny body. Too bad she was unemotional for you. :-(

no more posting on this site. forgive me for stealing 1 photo.it was in my file the rest are mine

Enjoy!

$Bill

Hi Bill.

I agree with you. LIP should keep quiet for a quite a while.
Some parts of LIP's info might be good. For instance: if I were to go to Armenia then why not get in touch with this Luis. He might be usefull.
But spamming around doesn't serve anything. Posting his info once every 2-3 months seems sufficient to me. Important to keep this forum clean.

One question for you Bill. Like you I have been to Cali. I also met Miguel and Gustavo.
Good information about this Miguel, because at first sight he doesn't seem very harmfull.
You also mentioned Gustavo, the porter of Don Jaime. You write that he is NOT on your good side anymore.
To me this Gustavo didn't seem such a bad guy. Maybe a bit slicky. Maybe you want to write what happened. I am curious about that.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=437784#post1317[/url]

OK LIP, no problem. I believe you in that some pictures did get mixed up.
If you stop spamming then one day I will buy you a beer in Armenia. Might take a while because I am first going to do other countries.
For me the discussion is closed. Take it easy, bye

Anyone know how hard it is to get residency status (even temporary) in Colombia? I have a Cuban friend who has been living in Mexico without papers. He's trying to get papers so he can apply for jobs in U.S. in the future. (Right now, without papers, the embargo still applies to him.)

All responses appreciated. Thanks.

But Jackson, in his wisdom, created separate folders for Peter (and Greg in Medellin too, whom I not to politely chastized for spilling over into the regular Medellin folder). I never urged your expulsion; I merely suggested that the CONTANT posting about Luis IN MULTIPLE FOLDERS had crossed the line.

Nothing personal. Rather, it is my inherent nature to speak out against abuses of the administrator's tolerance, be they friend or foe. So you are not the first, nor will you likely be the last, to be called to task for spamming by the self appointed SPAM monitor (moi)

Jack: Your friend is deluding himself if he thinks by getting residency in Colombia he will then get work in the US. A MUCH better solution would be for him to claim to be a political refugee from Fidel's private paradise in which case he will be received with open arms by the Miami mafia and their supporters in Tallahassee and DC (AKA the Brothers Bush).

[QUOTE=Jack CNY]Anyone know how hard it is to get residency status (even temporary) in Colombia? I have a Cuban friend who has been living in Mexico without papers. He's trying to get papers so he can apply for jobs in U.S. in the future. (Right now, without papers, the embargo still applies to him.)

All responses appreciated. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I believe that still wouldn't help. Your papers are from the country you are born in not where you reside.

I'll be leaving soon for Colombia with camara in hand posting 30/ 40 of luis lady friends. Now when i start posting photos daily from Armenia of these hot latinas with there permison of course,would that be consider spam promoting luis to help you meet these ladies. The only reason in my last post, was Not promoting luis but in fact wanting someone with carmara that was near to see my apartment waiting for me.. Are you going to yell at me spamming these ladies. How say you Sufer. All these ladies photos are mine and Luis not copy from other sites. I talk with luis today on phone he's having a big shin dig upom my arrival with food drinks weed sexy outfits for photo opt. . 23 days til photos guys. i hope i get laid...

Open transport pre-election, etc.

When is election bull shit coming to an end????? I am planing a trip soon.

[QUOTE=Jack CNY]Anyone know how hard it is to get residency status (even temporary) in Colombia? I have a Cuban friend who has been living in Mexico without papers. He's trying to get papers so he can apply for jobs in U.S. in the future. (Right now, without papers, the embargo still applies to him.)

All responses appreciated. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I assume he would be better off getting into the US any way possible and then pursing refugee status (wet foot dry foot policy)

Congressional elections to be held March 12 followed by Presidential election on May 28th.

FARC appears to be the main perpetrator of violence. If I recall correctly, the aussie said they are in areas other can where Medellin is.

Do try to limit references to Luis to ONE TIME.

Not that this article is a shock to us, as we already know. :-)

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2006/TRAVEL/DESTINATIONS/03/17/colombia.tourism.ap/index.html[/url]

U.S. Indicts 50 Leaders of Colombian Rebels in Cocaine Trafficking


By JUAN FORERO
Published: March 23, 2006

BOGOTÁ, Colombia, March 22 — A federal grand jury in Washington has indicted 50 commanders of Colombia's largest Marxist rebel group, accusing them of running an extensive cocaine trafficking cartel that protects its operations through widespread killings and intimidation, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales announced Wednesday.

The indictment accuses the group, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, of being behind 50 percent of the world's cocaine trade and 60 percent of the cocaine exported to the United States.

"We believe these men are responsible for not only manufacturing and exporting devastating amounts of cocaine, but enforcing their criminal regime with violence," Mr. Gonzales said.

The practical impact is unclear, since 47 of the 50 commanders remain free in this vast country, leading thousands of fighters in the group's relentless effort to topple President Álvaro Uribe's government. Three are in Colombian custody, and the United States will seek their extradition, American officials said.

The indictment says rebel commanders ordered their fighters to shoot down crop dusters and to kidnap and kill American citizens, in an effort to dissuade policy makers in Washington from continuing to sponsor a fumigation campaign against the coca plant, from whose leaves cocaine is made.

Some charges in the document may be hard to prove, like those linking commanders to drug operations years ago when the rebel group was believed to be far less involved in the cocaine trade.

But high-ranking Colombian government officials interviewed in Bogotá on Wednesday welcomed the indictment, saying it demonstrated the Bush administration's long-term commitment to Mr. Uribe, the United States' closest ally in Latin America.

"We see this as a recognition of the clear relationship between terrorism and narcotrafficking," said Defense Minister Camilo Ospina. "This shows that a big decision has been made to carry out the final battle against narcotrafficking and terrorism."

The indictment came just days after a coalition of pro-government parties took control of Colombia's 268-member Congress, a decisive political victory for Mr. Uribe. The victory strengthens his chances of winning re-election in May and gives him the political leverage to follow through with his agenda, including aggressively fighting the rebel group with Colombia's Washington-backed army.

With billions of dollars in backing from the United States, Colombia has sprayed much of its drug-crop acreage and carried out army offensives against the rebels. The chief of the national police, Jorge Daniel Castro, said Wednesday in an interview that the group was "in a defensive position" as a result of the military offensives and the fumigation. "We're seeing that they don't have the capacity that they had before," he said.

But the group continues to control wide swaths of territory and has been increasingly active in neighboring Ecuador and Venezuela, where it operates camps for its fighters and traffics cocaine. The group also continues to attack civilians; last month, rebel commandos burst into a meeting in the town of Rivera, southwest of Bogotá, and gunned down nine council members.

Cynthia Arnson, a Colombia expert who is director of the Latin America program at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, noted that it remained difficult to gauge whether the group had suffered big setbacks or had voluntarily withdrawn into the jungle. "This indictment," she said, "could be the beginning of an enormous political and diplomatic offensive to capitalize on whatever military momentum has been achieved."

Mr. Gonzales did not elaborate on what American officials would do to go after individual commanders but said that there were "effective options" and "they all remain on the table." The State Department said it would provide rewards of up to $5 million for information leading to the arrests of members of the rebel group's governing seven-member secretariat.

The leader of the group is Pedro Antonio Marín — better known by his nom de guerre, Manuel Marulanda — a former chicken farmer who first took up arms in the 1950's during Colombia's internecine political conflict of that era. He later helped found the rebel group, turning a peasant army into the richest, best-equipped Marxist insurgency in Latin America.

The indictment offers a look at how the group went from leveling taxes on farmers who grew coca to operating clandestine airstrips and helping to build an international cocaine distribution network. It also details the brutality used by the group to enforce its dominance of the drug trade. It says commanders ordered the killing of farmworkers who did not comply with the group's rules, in some cases dismembering them or filling their corpses with rocks and sinking them in rivers.

I just checked the site to see what they say about Peru, and they mistranslate saying that 14 is the age of consent when it is 18. 14 gets you three years (although jail sentences of 4 years or less are not served).

[QUOTE=David_33]I just checked the site to see what they say about Peru, and they mistranslate saying that 14 is the age of consent when it is 18. 14 gets you three years (although jail sentences of 4 years or less are not served).[/QUOTE]

???? Jail sentences of less than 4 years are not served? So what happens instead?

Well for a foreigner I´m not sure if you get booted out of the country or get treated like the locals. The Peruvians have to show up at the court office and sign a form every month and they can´t get drunk, or go to strip bars, etc. They also can´t leave the country. However, one is in jail until they sentence you which could be awhile. Depends on your ready cash situation.

i think that anyone that would even research sex with an **** person from out their home country, to me this is very disturbing!

imho a member that claims to be a doctor, and has admited openly to placing a spycam in his female patients restrooms, is in my opinion very ver disturbing to say the least!

i for one would not call this person s---, but i would never send a female family member or frined to this guy, would you?



[quote=ngp477][url]http://www.ageofconsent.com/colombia.htm[/url][/quote]

Is it the same as for vaginal intercourse?

Is anybody a lawyer out there?

Penetration is penetration, right? Or is it sodomy, and is there a different law in Colombia about the age of consent for sodomy?

No, jokers, I do not go after men. WOMEN ONLY!

[blue]Greetings everyone,

I have decided to give Ngp477 his own thread titled "Ngp477 in Colombia".

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2420[/url]

Those of you who wish are welcome to join him in the discussions there.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

Will anyone be around or traveling this May? I would love to stop over on my way to Brazil but I am very nervous about going alone, especially never have traveled here before. I have been reading the boards, and will continue, but would love some advice PM'd to me if you have time! Hopefully I can meet up with some great people and enjoy the beauty.

Thanks,
Cali

Hi my dear guys, I like to understand well about colombian customs.
When I red some threads in this forum I understand the colombian girls are hot, very hot. They love sex.... etc. etc.
Then when I ask if the colombian girls likes to give BBBJ, you answer me that the
the semi-pro and the pro give BBBJ.
I'm sorry but I don't understand!
I think there are many, many countries with more hot girls. Many countries with hotter girls. Do I make a mistake?
I'd like to understand well, please.
Thanks

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter]Hi my dear guys, I like to understand well about colombian customs.
When I red some threads in this forum I understand the colombian girls are hot, very hot. They love sex.... etc. etc.
Then when I ask if the colombian girls likes to give BBBJ, you answer me that the
the semi-pro and the pro give BBBJ.
I'm sorry but I don't understand!
I think there are many, many countries with more hot girls. Many countries with hotter girls. Do I make a mistake?
I'd like to understand well, please.
Thanks[/QUOTE]

Good girls only give BBBJ to their novios

It will take you a long time to figure the mind of any woman let alone a Latina!

I've had a few Novias in Colombia, and just this last year I starting to understand them a little! My current I met on Amiogs about a year ago! We talked two months before meeting, we did not started talking deeply about sex two weeks prior to us meeting even then it was like trying to pull teeth to get her to talk about sex! As a matter of fact with the exception of Brazil, every Good Girl that I have met in South America was the same way!

My Novia puts it like this, good girls to not talk about sex even to their husbands because they will look like putas! This is hopw bad it is I ask my girl would she like me to go down on her, she told me that a guy has never asked her what she wanted in bed! And pretty much the same thing with her friends! How fucking sad is that?

But trust me Colombianas fuck the same way they dance, and that is shaking that round, brown delicious ASS!

[QUOTE=Escort King]Good girls only give BBBJ to their novios[/QUOTE]

LP ... I'm glad my Colombiana is not a good girl ... we talk mucho about sex ... always have.

Chevere!

fuuny and a good tip.... now I just need to learn more Spanish

First of all which Colombiana are you refering to? But don't you find that to be the case?

EK: Your right about Espanol, but also Personality goes a long way as well, the bottom line is these girls pro's or in between just want to be treated good!

[QUOTE=Ricker]LP ... I'm glad my Colombiana is not a good girl ... we talk mucho about sex ... always have.

Chevere![/QUOTE]

hey LP .. from my experience .. the chicas de better off ($) families are more prudish about sex talk .. those from the barrios (my type) are much more open .... both types are "good girls" ............ the higher society chicas I have found to be much more "gringa-ish" though. .....,.

[QUOTE=Latina Passion]First of all which Colombiana are you refering to? But don't you find that to be the case?

EK: Your right about Espanol, but also Personality goes a long way as well, the bottom line is these girls pro's or in between just want to be treated good![/QUOTE]

I always treat the chicas good... I want a fun time and having them also pumped up to have fun gets the whole thing to the right level.... this is a vacation - if I wanted agitation I would remarry!

[QUOTE=Ricker]hey LP .. from my experience .. the chicas de better off ($) families are more prudish about sex talk .. those from the barrios (my type) are much more open .... both types are "good girls" ............ the higher society chicas I have found to be much more "gringa-ish" though. .....,.[/QUOTE]

yeah money corrupts.... and in a country where the gap between have and have nots is so big - the ones that have can be more elitist than people in other countries that have a lot more.

[QUOTE=Escort King]yeah money corrupts.... and in a country where the gap between have and have nots is so big - the ones that have can be more elitist than people in other countries that have a lot more.[/QUOTE]

My last trip to BAQ I was there for a few weeks, so I like to sit back and just observe things, so I'm sitting outside the market as my girl goes shopping!

It was funny to see the Chica's with money, the ones with cars, they would come out of the market with ONE small ass bag and have the bag boy, take it to their car, and make the bag boy place in the back seat!

I was thinking to myself, got damn lazy ass B, but it is what it is!

The class difference there is a bit crazy!

[QUOTE=Latina Passion]My last trip to BAQ I was there for a few weeks, so I like to sit back and just observe things, so I'm sitting outside the market as my girl goes shopping!

It was funny to see the Chica's with money, the ones with cars, they would come out of the market with ONE small ass bag and have the bag boy, take it to their car, and make the bag boy place in the back seat!

I was thinking to myself, got damn lazy ass B, but it is what it is!

The class difference there is a bit crazy![/QUOTE]

Hey there are a bunch of Paris Hilton's in this country that would be doing the same thing.... have you seen that stupid show Sweet 16 on MTV.... we are breeding them here too.... it is just that the inbetween here is larger and thus they do not stand out as much...

In South America where the inbetween do not have the car for the bag boy to carry groceries to - they are more noticeable..... if there were a bunch of women with beat up vehicles getting help with the bags then they would not be as noticeable.

Damn dude your all over this Forum! Man when you hit Colombia I see your going to it the ground running! Pop a few no doze and chase it with some Red Bull!

[QUOTE=Latina Passion]Damn dude your all over this Forum! Man when you hit Colombia I see your going to it the ground running! Pop a few no doze and chase it with some Red Bull![/QUOTE]
true.... I figure I should give info that I know about DR etc. and am doing my homework about Colombia

[blue]Greetings everyone,

In recognition of his many great contributions to the Forum, I have given Lost In Paradise his own thread titled "Lost In Paradise in Colombia".

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2430[/url]

Those of you who wish to join him in the discussions in his new thread are welcome to do so.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

I carried this over from Photo Gallery in case it turns into a discussion...

[QUOTE=Escort King]How can a date be more expensive? What are you going to most expensive restaurant in town and then drinking Dom or Cristal? And is she demanding you buy her clothes?[/QUOTE]
Dom or Cristal, WTF? Do you realise how far away from most Colombians' reality that is? I know you haven't been to Colombia yet but you've been to other countries that are not rich, right?

The guy said high maintenance, and that can mean other things besides money. If you date regular girls, you can tell from the get go they are available to you, but it will take time and attention. And sometimes, commitment.

Compare that with P4P, where it's very easy to fork over 60k or so and get a nice GFE experience with a great looking chick.

Anyway, the cost of dates does add up quickly, and is usually more than P4P. Of course, each person is different with what they like to spend on a date, you can spend absolutely no money if you want.

[QUOTE=Cachorro]I carried this over from Photo Gallery in case it turns into a discussion...


Dom or Cristal, WTF? Do you realise how far away from most Colombians' reality that is? I know you haven't been to Colombia yet but you've been to other countries that are not rich, right?

The guy said high maintenance, and that can mean other things besides money. If you date regular girls, you can tell from the get go they are available to you, but it will take time and attention. And sometimes, commitment.

Compare that with P4P, where it's very easy to fork over 60k or so and get a nice GFE experience with a great looking chick.

Anyway, the cost of dates does add up quickly, and is usually more than P4P. Of course, each person is different with what they like to spend on a date, you can spend absolutely no money if you want.[/QUOTE]

I was being over the top to see what was involved in an expensive date in Colombia.

Hi fellow mongers,

I have been wanting to go to Colombia for centuries now, but I am kind of afraid, all the things you hear on TV.

I usually go to Dominican Republic, never had a problem.

Is Cali a good place to start? Better Medellin? I don't even think about Bogota.


Actually I almost exclusively go for non-pros o semi-pros, what is the best place for that?

Any advice is very apreciated.

I have the same questions as Freedick. I am looking in going to the Mansion in Medellin. I think this is a good place to start. Does anybody have any suggestions for a first timer where to go. I like Non or Semi Pros. The type of girls that I like are like the girls I have pics here. Please let me know where to start.

El Cubanito

Don't think about Cali, either. MDE is possible through the Mansion. You can pretty much wing it in CTG.

tom are you suggesting that mde is not good for the 1st timer because its unsafe or hard to find your way. or simply stating that the mansion is a lifeline to the hot spots . and better off having some type of connection down there. spider

[QUOTE=SpiderMonkey]tom are you suggesting that mde is not good for the 1st timer because its unsafe or hard to find your way. or simply stating that the mansion is a lifeline to the hot spots . and better off having some type of connection down there. spider[/QUOTE]
Always good to have a local tour guide included with great taste to boot

MDE is not safe for the first-timer unless you have help. It is not the place to make a mistake. Muggers have been known to kill. People are kidnapped and sold to the FARC. Taxi drivers rob people. Life is cheap in the poorer parts of town. Do you know which parts those are? Looks can be deceiving.

Guys,

can you elaborate on Cali and Cartagena please?

With all due "respect" but RTFF!!!!
Do your "homework" and read the forum - all the information you need IS THERE

[QUOTE=Freedick]Guys,

can you elaborate on Cali and Cartagena please?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=El Cubanito]I like Non or Semi Pros. The type of girls that I like are like the girls I have pics here. Please let me know where to start.

El Cubanito[/QUOTE]Every monger on the ISG would like that pair. How about a hint as to where they are to be found?

[QUOTE=Firebird]With all due "respect" but RTFF!!!!
Do your "homework" and read the forum - all the information you need IS THERE[/QUOTE]

Ok, ok...I'll do it...

hi guys I would just like to say. It is very nice of you all to ad info on a site like this. I just wish I would of found this site sooner. I had already booked my flight to medellin on June 7 and I am staying at the mansion. But I was only travelling there hoping to meet a nice girl for a relationship. But after finding this site and reading for several hours, I have come to the conclusion since I don't speak spanish at all and also with the way that it sounds the girls are only there looking for money (working girls). I believe I have made a mistake in my choice of where to travel. Oh well I can usually have a good time anywhere doing anything, so I guess itll just be a trip filled with rain and wobbly pops. I wish I would of known more of these facts and the info on the mansion before I booked my flight. Oh well take care I'll fill you in on how it goes. And if you don't here back from me than youll know it didnt go very well!

thanks tom .escort. opinions from experienced mongers is what i was looking for. spider

[QUOTE=SpiderMonkey]thanks tom .escort. opinions from experienced mongers is what i was looking for. spider[/QUOTE]

any time mate.... have to share the info it is what has made the board a great resource.

[QUOTE=Beakerh]hi guys I would just like to say. It is very nice of you all to ad info on a site like this. I just wish I would of found this site sooner. I had already booked my flight to medellin on June 7 and I am staying at the mansion. But I was only travelling there hoping to meet a nice girl for a relationship. But after finding this site and reading for several hours, I have come to the conclusion since I don't speak spanish at all and also with the way that it sounds the girls are only there looking for money (working girls). I believe I have made a mistake in my choice of where to travel. Oh well I can usually have a good time anywhere doing anything, so I guess itll just be a trip filled with rain and wobbly pops. I wish I would of known more of these facts and the info on the mansion before I booked my flight. Oh well take care I'll fill you in on how it goes. And if you don't here back from me than youll know it didnt go very well![/QUOTE]Beakerh,

You did not make the wrong choice. One of the perks of staying at he mansion is that you get one date per day with a girl of your choice from their Colombianloveconection site. These girls are non-pros and looking for serious relationships. You might want to do your homework on the site now and have a list of girls that your interested in. Good luck!

[QUOTE=*******]Beakerh,

You did not make the wrong choice. One of the perks of staying at he mansion is that you get one date per day with a girl of your choice from their Colombianloveconection site. These girls are non-pros and looking for serious relationships. You might want to do your homework on the site now and have a list of girls that your interested in. Good luck![/QUOTE]

So you have a built in tour guide....

Thank you for the advice. You guys are very helpfull. Any and all advice is very much appreciated. They are going to set me up with someone for spanish lessons at the mansion. I realize it takes a while to learn a new language but as long as I can compliment a lady and order a beer I'll be more than happy. I was thinking of signing up and taking spanish lessons on one of those online sites where you have a teacher one on one. But I think the best way to learn a second language is when you around people that speak the language on a regular basis and where I live there is very few spanish speaking people. The times I have travelled to latin countrys I've really enjoyed the way spanish people are so laid back and seem to always be happy and so very nice. Thats why I have been in love with spanish speaking and looking women all my life and I just got out of a long relationship a few months ago and have been dating a few women, but I find my self getting tired of the women in a america with the wild mood swings and demanding everything. I guess thats why they say" why does every bride have a smile on her face"? Because she knows shell never have to give head.

Fellow mates,

If I am not wrong, there aren't any meters in the cabs and I would have to negotiate a rate before getting in a cab. If that is true, then I got 2 problems.

(1) My first solo time to cartegena and I don't speak spanish.

(2) How would I negotiate if I don't know how much is reasonable. (Like going to LDV etc...)

Is there a way other then hiring a guide services? if No, then pls recommend guide services. I have heard horrible stories both of getting ripped off by cabies and guide services. Plz suggest.

Thanks

If you can't speak spanish you're gonna have bigger issues than getting ripped off by taxis.

NYorker, I wrote you a reply in the Cartagena section.

Thanks guys

Has anybody ever been to the San Andres Island? If you have, how is the action. I did a google search of the place and look at the Image and section and the first I got was a web page with these beauties on it.
I read some past post and it seems to say that one should bring their own candy from the Columbian Mainland. Is this true? I have a sweet piece of candy and she wants to take me here? Should I go with her or should I go by myself.

El Cubanito

there is apparently SOME action in San Andres, but numbers will be limited and prices high (I bring my own). Plus you will gain MAJOR points with just about ANY Colombiana by bringing her to San Andres leading to MAJOR GFE.

I have a girl friend there and I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the area. I may have free time so I was wondering if there are good places to monger?

TRAVEL FROM SAN JOSE TO CARTAGENA OR ISLA SAN ANDRES CHEAP!
A Tico friend pointed me to
[url]www.destinostv.com[/url]
TRAVEL FROM SAN JOSE TO CARTAGENA OR ISLA SAN ANDRES CHEAP!
If you want to see Costa Rica AND Colombia, here's a tip:
A Tico friend pointed me to
[url]www.destinostv.com[/url]

They often, but not always, have super-cheap charter flights and packages to Cartagena & Isla San Andres.

They charter a whole TACA jet a couple of times a week, and sell packages with hotel for much less than the airfare would cost you otherwise. The plane stops each way in Cartagena and Isla San Andres. You do pay airport tax coming and going CR and Colombia about $25 each. They also have some other interesting specials on the website to various destinations. Highly recommended. You have to pay with credit card or bank transfer, and you don't get your ticket til you get to the SJO airport, which made me nervous. But they have a stand right next to the TACA counter on days they do flights and everything went as smooth as butter. They handed me my boarding passes and vouchers. The "all-inclusive" hotel was right on the beach in San Andres, and had once been once, but was really run down (no hot water, phone broken) and the "all-inclusive" meant stale sandwiches and for some reason all you could drink OLD MILWAUKI beer, LOL, but heck it was virtually free. Isla San Andres is a beautiful tropical island which belongs to Colombia, very small, mostly black people who speak some English. No major action there, pretty much BYOG. VERY few gringos, mostly Colombians and Panamanians on vacation. completely safe they search the fuck out of you when you arrive to keep weapons off the island. Check it out.

ISLA SAN ANDRES
The photo posted by Cubanito is Johnny Cay Park, a small isle about a mile across, which is a few miles off of Isla San Andres. There is a small restaurant and bar, and lots of "private" white san beach there. Photo attached. You can hire a motorboat to take you there from the main beach on Isla San Andres, it takes about 10 minutes. and it really looks like something out of The Blue Lagoon. Nobody will care if you and your sweetheart do a nooner on the beach. What you will NOT find in Isla San Andres are hot girls, unless you bring them with you. The majority of the population of Isla San Andres is black Jamaican looking, descendants of slaves I guess, not to be racist, but the types of girls you seen in Medellin, Cali, etc. are not to be found in Isla San Andres unless you BRING them there. The Latin Colombian girls who vacation there usually come with their families and are from the wealthy classes, not much interested in YOU. There are a few discos, and a heck of a lot of shops, as this is apparently a duty free zone. Would be a fun, funky place to take a date, with the emphasis on FUNKY. The atmosphere is less Latino and more llaid-back Caribbean/Jamaican with lots of ganja, reggae music and stray dogs on the beach.

I just posted a report/update on San Andres in that thread. My bottom line was that if you were really into scuba diving and would like to monger a little on the side then go it alone. It can be fun. But bringing a poor Colombiana there is the way to go. This is totally different than they are used to in Colombia. It is totally different than the beaches in Panama.

Johnny Cay was great. We tied it in with a trip to a little sandbar they call Aquarium. This was a waste of time. Next trip I would find a boat that would take me directly there for a full day. Drinking beer and eating fresh fish right next to a beautiful beach. Great.

That pic you have is definitely at Johnny Cay. One of the little stands that the natives have. I do not they think anyone actually lives there. They come over in the morning and work for the day. I am sure that girl was brought over with someone.

I will try to sort out some travel pics the next few days.

I hope this explains to the people who are considering the pros and cons when it comes to living life abroad, specifically in Colombia.

When I retired a few years ago I discovered that for the most part, old people in the US are forced into doing old people things, generally with other old people. I knew I wanted more than that.

I had lived for the previous 15 years on a beautifully wooded ranch in a pretty rural area near Houston in Texas, but by the time I stopped work, it was surrounded by upscale subdivisions, shopping malls and Walmart.

Prior to my retirement, I had travelled much of Europe, Central and South America, and was always evaluating potential retirement locations. When I realized that my Company was going to force me into retirement (I love them for it), I spent a great deal of time surfing the net, reading articles, and trying to determine the real cost of living in various countries. It really is impossible unless you actually go to these places, and stay for at least three weeks. I went to Panama, Chile, (I really liked Chile), Costa Rica, Mexico (the colonial towns), Guatamala (yuk!), Spain, SE Asia and Canada. My eventual selection was based on family situation and climate. I am married to a Colombian and came to know Bogota really well through Christmas and other holiday visits. Although the city has a reputation for crime, drugs and violence, I felt that it was an exaggerated perception; there are many population centres in the United States that suffer just as much from these afflictions.

Bogota, also has, for me, the nicest weather. I had always hated the heat in Texas, along with the massive electricity bills that came with air conditioning. In comparison, Bogota's climate is spring-like every day of the year. Daytime temperatures average 68F deg. (19C), and at night it drops on to about 50Fdeg (10C). Perpetual fall, perfect for me. The city is at an elevation of approximately 9,000 feet and close to the equator. It sits in a large fertile valley with the Andes rising to the east. It is very green and covered with lush plants, flowers, and trees, mostly eucalyptus. The city itself has a cosmopolitan nature, equal, in my view to London, Toronto or Paris. Only a two hour drive to the west of Bogota is Medellin, known as Colombia's most beautiful city, a vibrant and modern centre again with a comfortable climate. But if you really like the heat you can take yourself on a 60 mile drive to Melgar, a small resort town where you can enjoy 100Fdeg.(35C) + heat and 100% humidity. For beach lovers, Santa Marta - a nice, and very cheap Caribbean beach resort is not far away a 5 star service for only $120 a night.

QUALITY OF LIFE:
While we may be looking for a place we can live more cheaply, most of us are not looking to reduce our creature comforts, nor the availability of the kind of things we enjoy doing. Supermarkets with products and brands we prefer. Quality health care. Theatres, movies, restaurants. For some, arts such as opera, ballet and symphony. Cable tv, broad band internet, hot water, and good water pressure. Bogota & Medellin have it all and generally at very affordable prices.

Big difference? The cultural attitude toward older people. Certainly, while there are good and bad people everywhere, those here tend to be noticeably more friendly and helpful. I believe I have made more friends here in a couple of years than I made my whole life in the US. We of the older generation are considered to be productive members of society. Parties and other social occasions include young and old and everything in between. People in Bogota tend to be well educated. In some ways, from a university stand point, it reminds me of Boston. There must be a hundred universities, some large and famous, with students from Europe and other South American countries. Although I believe the US university system to be the best in the world, I think the elementary education system in Colombia is better.

There is of course a lot of poverty here, as in many other South American countries, and indeed the rest of the world, but it seems to be more visible here. But there is also a very large middle class; the average income for professionals (engineers, accountants, lawyers, etc) is about $10,000 a year. It would appear that they live comfortably on that income, and while I am sure they have the same wants and needs as anybody, I get the impression that they live less stressful lives than their American counterparts earning five times the money.

COST OF LIVING:

Basically. some things are cheaper than the US, some more expensive.

Food and Clothing. Food and clothing cost are about the same here as they are in Houston. For myself and my wife (and the odd guest for dinner or a bar-b-q twice a month) our grocery bill is about $400 a month. But we eat only the best beef (rib eye), chicken breast, center cut pork chops, no bone, no fat, American brand cereals, etc.
Dinner Out. Much cheaper. Our favourite restaurant is La Fagrata. It is a truly five star restaurant in the International Trade Centre. A varied three course meal, with locally produced food, is about $50 for two including tip. The only thing not local is the wine! Colombian wine is probably the worst in the world, so we go for Chilean - French and Californian imports are too expensive.

Fast food restaurants (McDonalds) etc are about the same price here, maybe a little more expensive - hamburger, fries and a coke will set you back about $3.00. Local fast food restaurants, generally one in every block, serving rice and beans, or soup, or grilled chicken or beef, will only cost about $2.00.

Housing. For some strange reason there seems to be much more value for the rental dollar than the purchase dollar. I would not recommend any expatriot purchase a home anywhere until they have lived there at least a year. Cost, here in Bogota, is around $35 to $45 a square foot for good quality new construction; luxury construction is going to be more. You can rent a luxury apartment in the best neighborhoods for between $1,000 and $1,500 a month. In less exclusive areas rent is around $450 a month for a 2 bedroom, 2 ½ bath, modern apartment.

Transportation. Taxis are cheap, and there are thousands of them on the street all the time. You can rent them for $12,000 pesos an hour (about $5.00) or you can go from point to point anywhere in the city for $1.50 to $2.50. The rule of thumb is don't flag a taxi down in the street-there have been reported muggings so it is safest to book a taxi by phone from a reputable company or take one from the shopping malls where they have taxi stands and known drivers.

Buses go everywhere, they cost about 40 cents, but I have never learned the system or how to use them.

Car rental is not advisable. It is very expensive here, and you are liable for 20% of the car's value if stolen, or damaged, which is a real possibility. And driving is difficult especially if you don't know your way around. Find a driver you like and rent a taxi for the day - it will cost you about $35. Gasoline is about $2.50 a gallon.
New cars here generally are about 30% more expensive than in the US. That is basically the amount of import duty imposed by the government. But General Motors assembles some of their cars here in Colombia, and on those you can get more value for the dollar.

Furniture and Appliances. You can get custom made real wood furniture for about a third of the cost of fabricated real wood furniture in the US. There must be a thousand small furniture makers here in Bogota alone. The trick is to shop around and find the right one -basically the old adage applies – you get what you pay for!
Electrical appliances are readily available, more or less equal models that you find in the US - they cost about 20% more. Except that plasma tv's, plasma computer monitors, and computers are two to three times as much. If you can buy those in the US and bring them on the plane with you it is worth the extra baggage charge. - Article Continued Below -


Health Care. Bogota has plenty of highly skilled doctors in every specialty and hospitals of equal or better quality than the US. Many of the doctors have studied and done residency in both Europe and the US. In the hospitals there is a much greater ratio of nurses to patients and they are much more pleasant and attentive. Big plus - the cost is a fraction of the price of the same treatment in the states.

Examples of medical cost without insurance:
MRI of the head, neck and complete spinal cord in Houston $6,000: in Bogota $500. Dental root canal and crown in Houston $900: in Bogota $250.
Health Insurance. Here there are two kinds of health insurance: a national health insurance which is about $40 a month for myself and my wife, which you must purchase before you can buy private health insurance. There are several major companies that provide private coverage and each have affiliations with various hospitals and doctors, much like HMO's in the US. I have coverage with Colsantas which provides for the very best doctors and hospitals. For myself and my wife this runs a little less that $200 a month. It provides 100% coverage and very little hassle. When you have to go to the hospital you just hand them your ID card and they take you to your room. No hours in admissions, no stack of consent forms to sign.

Household Help. Maid $12 a day. Gardner $10. Skilled handyman does anything, electric, plumbing, etc. $25 a day plus materials.

Utilities. There are different levels of pricing. Each neighborhood is given a number from 1-6, they are called âœextractos You are probably not going to live in anything less than a 4. But for example if you live in a level 4 and use 500 kwh of electricity a month you bill is going to be about $50 a month, in a level 6 about $65 a month. Natural gas is very, very cheap. So if you can heat your hot water, and cook with natural gas you are way ahead of the game. We take lots of hot showers and have a large jucuzzi that probable take 70 gallons of hot water that we use once or twice a week, and we cook with natural gas. We live in a level 6 and our gas bill is about $25 a month. Electricity is approximately 9 cents a kwh. Our bill averages about $60 a month for a 2000 sq ft apt.

Water is relatively expensive here. The water bill includes garbage and is billed for a 2 month period. Our bill for water and garbage averages about $30 a month, but we use a lot of water.

Cable TV. There are primarily two providers here Direct TV, TV Cable Net. The latter is much better. The have a new and modern fiber optics deliver system and are ½ the price of Direct TV. Also if you have Cable Net installed they can provide excellent broad band internet service. Their price for cable tv is about $24 a month and the have a better channel selection than Direct tv. And you can have as many tv's on the system as you want for the same price. For $20 more a month you can get broad band internet service. Direct tv is about $50 a month, and then if you want DSL you are going to have to buy it from the phone company ETB for another $40 a month.

Telephone. Telephones can be expensive. You can get a plan for unlimited usage for local calls for about $25 a month. But the problem here in Colombia is that every, man woman and teen, has a mobile phone and the calling party pays for the call. So if you call someone on their mobile from your phone it may cost you as much as 20 cents a minute. It seems like nearly everyone we call is on a mobile, so our phone bill averages about $100 a month.

Long Distance to the US - through the local phone company, it is about 50 cents a minute, but if you have broad band internet, there a couple of companies that provide voice over service that works very well and is about 5 cents a minute.

Mobile Phone - Mobile calls average about 20 cents a minute. I have a monthly contract plan that gave me a free phone, and I get 100 minutes for about $20 a month, additional minutes are about 21 cents. My usage averages about $40 a month.

My general sense is that you can live a fairly elegant life style, with very little stress, for about $2,500 a month, (excluding travel and vacations). Without a car, you can probably live comfortably for a third less. If you have a reasonable retirement income you can literally live the life of Riley. Can you say that about living in the US?

MONGERING:
I think that has been covered very well here on the forum with the lists that have been submitted.

[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue]

Jackson beat me to it, but this is a excellent report in a forum that has quickly become a joke!

Even though I currently live in SA, we are all comparison shopping as political change can cancel out even the best laid plans. Many of us never choose the country we live in, I find the country (Or the women of the country) actually choose us! My original plan was to look at CR, Colombia and possibly Argentina as my final resting place. This quickly changed when I met my Peruvian wife. I for one did not even have Peru on my radar. Coming from a large city (NYC) I did not realize how important it was to live in a similar sized city(Lima). I would strongly suggest that anyone contemplating a change of country take this into consideration.

You have encouraged me to write a similar report (If I may steal your format)for Lima and hopefully others will do so for their chosen cities.

Congrats on a great 1st report!

LB

I will be there for a short time and have a girlfriend waiting for me. However, I am unsure how long she will stay and would like to know if there are any recommendations that can be made as far as contacts for latina companionship. I have read the posts here but it seems some are outdated or should not be part of the Cali forum.
I speak fluent spanish and I am in good physical condition in my mid 40's.
I understand that it gets very hot ( weather ) in Cali during the day. Is there day time action nearby that is reasonable? How easy is it to pick up someone at a bar and what should be the price for toda la noche? Please respond back to me here or PM me. thanks, I really appreciate it. If anyone there needs advise on San Jose CR drop me a pm and I can give you
info for that.

[QUOTE=iamlookin]I will be there for a short time and have a girlfriend waiting for me. However, I am unsure how long she will stay and would like to know if there are any recommendations that can be made as far as contacts for latina companionship. I have read the posts here but it seems some are outdated or should not be part of the Cali forum.
I speak fluent spanish and I am in good physical condition in my mid 40's.
I understand that it gets very hot ( weather ) in Cali during the day. Is there day time action nearby that is reasonable? How easy is it to pick up someone at a bar and what should be the price for toda la noche? Please respond back to me here or PM me. thanks, I really appreciate it. If anyone there needs advise on San Jose CR drop me a pm and I can give you
info for that.[/QUOTE]

I would say look at the dating sites... know people who swear by amigas.com

Hello together

I'm new in this forum.

I was in the past many times in Thailand (Phuket, Pattaya, Samui and BKK) as also in the Philippines (Manila City and Angeles City).

It looks like I get tired to fuck always Asian pussies and I need something new. So my opinion was to go to South America.

As I watched the pics from Colombia. I felt my decision it will be Colombia. The other country I liked would also be Brazil. But Colombia convince me. Amazing Womens there!

Now my questions are:

How dangerous it its in Colombia? I'm little bit affraid from that you know on hear many things. But thats why I want to ask you guys, who was already there several times and know that exactly. Maybe you can give me suggestions what to do and what not to no be in danger. Is it better to go alone or with a friend?

The other thing is: The women on the pics some ar prof. And the others? Just girls from the street? I mean just little bit talking and so on? I mean in Thailand evryone is ready to fuck with a little bit money or without. But how it is in Colombia I have no idea.

How much is the price for a night? Or short time and long time? What is usual? Just that I can compare approx. With Thailand par example. There usually I pay for LT 1000 THB and for ST 300-500 THB.

I'm happy to receive your suggestions

Best rgds and many thanks

Sorry for my english mistakes I'm from Switzerland

Nobody knows?

[QUOTE=Stullone]Hello together

I'm new in this forum.

I was in the past many times in Thailand (Phuket, Pattaya, Samui and BKK) as also in the Philippines (Manila City and Angeles City).

It looks like I get tired to fuck always Asian pussies and I need something new. So my opinion was to go to South America.

As I watched the pics from Colombia. I felt my decision it will be Colombia. The other country I liked would also be Brazil. But Colombia convince me. Amazing Womens there!

Now my questions are:

How dangerous it its in Colombia? I'm little bit affraid from that you know on hear many things. But thats why I want to ask you guys, who was already there several times and know that exactly. Maybe you can give me suggestions what to do and what not to no be in danger. Is it better to go alone or with a friend?

The other thing is: The women on the pics some ar prof. And the others? Just girls from the street? I mean just little bit talking and so on? I mean in Thailand evryone is ready to fuck with a little bit money or without. But how it is in Colombia I have no idea.

How much is the price for a night? Or short time and long time? What is usual? Just that I can compare approx. With Thailand par example. There usually I pay for LT 1000 THB and for ST 300-500 THB.

I'm happy to receive your suggestions

Best rgds and many thanks

Sorry for my english mistakes I'm from Switzerland[/QUOTE]I have only been to Medellin two times so dont know of other areas in the country. In Medellin safety was very good. Everyone saids be careful of taxis and be aware. I think the safety issue is probably overhyped by media but keep your alertness up and remember you are in someone elses country, respect everyone. I would say taking a friend is a good idea, two are harder to get scammed.

Prices have been reported here. 200k for overnight is probably a generous deal, I have had some girls try to ask for more and others much less. Spanish is probably more needed in colombia and will make your trip more fun.

Overall I found Colombia NOT at all in your face with girls looking to go with you. Medellin seemed kind of small in the sense you probably would know all the spots and the girls in a couple of weeks.

If money isnt your concern Sao Paulo is fantastic, followed by Rio in my opinion. BBBJ is much more accected in Brazil and there are just a lot more girls in the profession so many nice clubs and different types of girls can be had. For me the 3 hour flight and cheap prices of Colombia made it appealing but from my experience the selection, reliable performance, and attitude towards sex that Brazilians have can not be beat. Best Luck

Kos Hunter

I have paid from 15K(US$6) to 150K for short time. In MDE the street girls are happy with 15 to 40K. In CTG it's 30 to 60K.

Prices have been reported here. 200k for overnight is probably a generous deal, I have had some girls try to ask for more and others much less. Spanish is probably more needed in colombia and will make your trip more fun.

200k? How much is that? Sorry i live in Switzerland. What currency you mean? But no dollars right? Im Italian so it will not be a problem for me. All the Spanish people understand and talk perfectly italian.

If money isnt your concern Sao Paulo is fantastic, followed by Rio in my opinion. BBBJ is much more accected in Brazil and there are just a lot more girls in the profession so many nice clubs and different types of girls can be had. For me the 3 hour flight and cheap prices of Colombia made it appealing but from my experience the selection, reliable performance, and attitude towards sex that Brazilians have can not be beat. Best Luck

Sao Paulo I never heard that its good there. How are the prices? Is it dangerous? So how I said Sao Paulo is better than Rio right?

Kos Hunter[/QUOTE]

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is 200,000 Colombian pesos which is worth about 80 US dollars.

[QUOTE=Straight Shooter]I hope this explains to the people who are considering the pros and cons when it comes to living life abroad, specifically in Colombia..........(Note: I truncated Straight Shooters post in the interest of forum aestheics. You can find it by scrolling down.)[/QUOTE]That's a great write up, Straight Shooter. Thank you for taking the time to write that. I'm new here, and I have to wonder why the Colombian section doesn't have a "Living In Colombia" category like ISG does for other countries. Maybe Jackson will start one. Your post would be the perfect first entry for a catergory titled, "Living In Colombia." Thanks again, SS.

Lots of interesting info on living in Colombia, among other things, in the Poor But Happy website:

[url]http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia[/url]

The women in Colombia IMHO appear to be some of the best looking women on this site. It does make you think hard about living there, at least for a year or so. However, I have read that Medellin and Bogota are boring places to live.

Maybe I need to do more research on those two cities and I'll continue to do that. I'm living in San Diego, California right now, and eventually I want to move to another country. The women in Rio are at the top of my list but life there revolves around the beach scene and I've had enough of that living in San Diego.

Buenos Aires looks real good 'cause I like big cities and they say that city is sort of like the Paris of South America. If you live in Buenos Aires you could always get on a plane and fly to Colombia for 500 bucks or so.

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[QUOTE=Crash Helmet]The women in Colombia IMHO appear to be some of the best looking women on this site. It does make you think hard about living there, at least for a year or so. However, I have read that Medellin and Bogota are boring places to live.

Maybe I need to do more research on those two cities and I'll continue to do that. I'm living in San Diego, California right now, and eventually I want to move to another country. The women in Rio are at the top of my list but life there revolves around the beach scene and I've had enough of that living in San Diego.

Buenos Aires looks real good 'cause I like big cities and they say that city is sort of like the Paris of South America. If you live in Buenos Aires you could always get on a plane and fly to Colombia for 500 bucks or so.
[/QUOTE]
Most people on this board would probably share your opinion! Colombia is a beautiful country but they roll up the streets at night. Bogota is far more cosmopolitan than MDE but the top 3 cities to live in my opinion would be Sao Paulo/BA and Lima. SP for women,BA for nightlife/steak,Lima for nightlife/women/cuisine and climate.

But if you are only staying for a year or two why choose? I would plan out the seasons and spend 3 months in all three and then decide where you liked it best!
SG

An interesting read about female sex tourists

[url]http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_brit...icle1168172.ece[/url]

[QUOTE=Stullone]Im Italian so it will not be a problem for me. All the Spanish people understand and talk perfectly italian.[/QUOTE]Where did you get that idea? I speak Spanish, but I don't speak or understand any Italian at all. If what you say were true, then you would speak and understand [B]perfectly[/B] Spanish. I mean, what's good for the goose, it's good for the gander, right!?

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A Few Handy Phrases for Traveling in the Colombian FARC Controlled Countryside

1) Thank you for showing me your marvelous gun.
2) I am delighted to accept your kind invitation to lie down on the floor with my arms above my head and my legs apart.
3) I agree with everything you have ever said or thought in your life.
4) It is exceptionally kind of you to allow me to travel in the trunk of your car.
5) If you will do me the kindness of not harming my genital appendages I will gladly reciprocate by betraying my country in public.
6) I will tell you the names and addresses of many American spies travelling as reporters.
7) Whatever you say!
8) The red blindfold would be lovely, excellency.
9) The water-soaked bread crumbs are delicious, thank you. I must have the recipe.
10) Truly, I would rather be a hostage to your greatly esteemed self than to spend a fortnight upon the person of Pamela Anderson.

[blue]Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson[/blue]

i guess you censored scooby's gw bush parody speech and my response to it.

maybe we should have praised hugo chavez or that beacon of humanity, europe instead huh? it's your website and your call.........

[QUOTE=Rebel Monger]Where did you get that idea? I speak Spanish, but I don't speak or understand any Italian at all. If what you say were true, then you would speak and understand [B]perfectly[/B] Spanish. I mean, what's good for the goose, it's good for the gander, right!?[/QUOTE]My personal experience up to now. I was in the Dom. Rep. and I had absolutely no problem with italian. Maybe sometimes some words, but then i could ask in english whats the meaning in spanish and i knew it for the next time.

Also here in Switzerland almost every spanish oder portugies speaking lady speaks italian.

I understand spanish almost perfectly. To talk is about 50/50 but mixed with Italian its perfect!

Hey there,

I'll be making my 5th trip to Colombia soon. Each time previously I've found there's been loads of dead time, where I've been looking for things to do. This time I thought it might be an idea to hook up with a few regular (not too regular though) girls to get to know the local area, plus extras if I'm lucky.

Any experiences or advice to share on this area?

Any recommendations for specific dating agencies/sites?

I see people have from time to time mentioned Yahoo! or MSN, but how does that work? As far as I can tell each of these is affiliated with match.com, but I'm probably missing a trick.

Hey all,

I am probably the youngest man here. I have read and heard some nice things about the wome from Colombia. I was planning to go on a down there soon and probably meet some women. If I like it I might just live there a few months I prefer non-pros (but I will take a pro if I see a few i like) . My main problem is my age. I realise there is alot of talk about colombianas liking older men, but what about young men like myself, Is my age going to be a problem?

thanks

Dr. E-N-I-G-M-A

Hi Enigma,

You are asking if your age is a problem, if you have a wallet (full) with dollars, the girls will forget your age!

Yes and it's true all over the world.

Niouts

[QUOTE=Enigma84]Hey all,

I am probably the youngest man here. I have read and heard some nice things about the wome from Colombia. I was planning to go on a down there soon and probably meet some women. If I like it I might just live there a few months I prefer non-pros (but I will take a pro if I see a few i like) . My main problem is my age. I realise there is alot of talk about colombianas liking older men, but what about young men like myself, Is my age going to be a problem?

thanks

Dr. E-N-I-G-M-A[/QUOTE]
Hopefully you are over 21, handsome and speak good spanish. In all LA countries it is accepted for younger women to be with older men. It is a little different with a Gringo as then the girl is labeled a Ho. The reason many seek the older guy is for security. For fun all women the world over prefer men around there own age or for women over 30 a younger guy. Don't sweat it and have fun.

LB

People believe what they want to. A lot of this is "Latinas liking older men" shit is pure bullshit. Trust me. Those dudes reconcile themselves with being the bank to those chicas. I speak Spanish, I speak to women under 30 and over 30 yr old on a regular basis. It's the same. They DON'T prefer older men, they just tolerate them. They just want a man who can provide security to her, her children, and her extended family. A lot of guys here confuse things, maybe purposefully, with reality. Speak with any non-pro Latina, without any sexual intentions. She'll tell you the same. If you marry her, of course, Latinas generally take their vows more serious, esp if she is even just a little religious. Just be 100% straight up with her. She'll hang in there with you.

If you speak Spanish, just meet a young chick in your age range with no children and watch. It really won't be hard to have to beat them off with a stick, esp. if you look decent and have manners. Even better, meet some Colombian dudes in your age range. More than likely, one of them will speak some English. He will be your sympathetic dude. He'll be the one to take care of you (with regards to not getting robbed and meeting honest chicas). They WILL bring you to the type of chicks you want.

The older dudes won't get this type of experience. They SHOULD always be jaded. I go to Colombia often. Just got back last week. I never made an attempt to contact any local mongers. My preference. My local male friends are approx. 10 yrs younger than me (I'm in my mid 30s), really cool middle-class professional dudes. They make it a point to find the best non-pro chicas that they know, and introduce me. Their girlfriends do the same. Why? I treat them all with the utmost respect. Money DOESN'T mean shit with them (remember there are plenty of major narcos around). It's a win-win thing. They get local respect for knowing a cool American. I get the bill, sometimes. No problems at all paying $40-50USD for 3 hours of drinking, for 6-8 people. But I also get to meet the cream of the crop locally. No guarantees on what happens next, but generally I haven't been disappointed very often.

Suerte

[QUOTE=Enigma84]Hey all,

I am probably the youngest man here. I have read and heard some nice things about the wome from Colombia. I was planning to go on a down there soon and probably meet some women. If I like it I might just live there a few months I prefer non-pros (but I will take a pro if I see a few i like) . My main problem is my age. I realise there is alot of talk about colombianas liking older men, but what about young men like myself, Is my age going to be a problem?

thanks

Dr. E-N-I-G-M-A[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah I forgot to mention I'm only 23 (going on 24 in a few months. So I am still pretty young.

I haven't seen anyone here younger than me.

Thanks for all the advice guys.

he apparently has some special insight into the inner desires of every colombiana. imho, colombianas are more diverse in desires than his post would lead you to believe. yes there are some jovencitas who will hang with abuelitos for the pesos but prefer jovenes, but there are also a fair number who genuinely prefer more mature guys. shit eating grin emoticon (i am middle aged but look younger). age preference runs the full spectrum in colombia, unlike in the wasteland where (because of our femanazi taught culture) any young babe going for an older guy is belittled for having a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] complex.

just as some colombianas prefer colombianos but will hang with certain extranjeros, while other colombianas absolutely will not date colombianos (aka machistas), there is a whole spectrum of preference.

Having a beautiful Latin (Peruvian)wife less than 1/2 my age, I can say you both are correct. Her girlfriends,my wife and I often have this discussion. One of her girlfriends (a lawyer) will only date wealthy and "Married" peruvians twice her age. Another (also 25) would only date peruvian gangbangers who were 17/18.

The second one is now in love with my American friend who is 32 and middle class.

My wife comes from a poor but proud family and appreciates every thing I do for her and her family. I know she loves me for me and except for the fact that I can't drink beer and dance Salsa till 8.00 am, has no hangups about my age.

Her girlfriends are more interested in the "sexual" aspects of our relationship than the financial. (We Americans are percieved as lousy lovers).

I also have many "gringo" and Peruvian friends in their early 20's and my wife has absolutly no interest in them. On the reverse side there girlfriends do not seem to be interested in me!

As a general rule of thumb "I have found in my experience" that 40 is indeed the magic number and almost all girls fantasize about experiencing a May-December romance. I can say this based on my experience as 40 for me was over a decade ago! SHIT EATING GRIN 52 Y/0 W 24 YO WIFE EMOTICON.


Another point, Not a day goes by that 2-4 good looking adolescents either flirt with me (in a grocery store etc) or give me the (come hither) look on the street in front of their young boyfriends.

I also tend to get it from the (young northern european types)as well. I can also tell you the other 6,999,996 women in Lima seem to pass by without a glance.

This is where Surfer's diversity in desires theory wins out. Regardless of your age,looks,personality, finances there is always a segment of the female population that finds you desireable and the only trick is finding them!

LB

Great job Lima Busy as your report says it all and should be put in the report of distinction or whatever the hell Jackson calls it.

Enigma, your age is no problem. If you can speak Spanish and be a little charming, they will come.

Even if you can't do the above, they will still come. You just have to work a little harder and be less particular about the quality.

As a foreigner, there will be people who try and take advantage of you. This may not be simple to spot at first. Anyway, I would just suggest you be alert for it. You will meet a lot of genuinely nice, heart-warming people in Colombia, but just be conscious of peoples' motives and try and screen out the ones who are not.

Oh, and when I say taking advantage, I'm not talking about anything too awful. Usually just vivos trying to separate you from a bit of cash, or hook up with your girl.

[QUOTE=Hoof Hunter]People believe what they want to. A lot of this is "Latinas liking older men" shit is pure bullshit. Trust me. Those dudes reconcile themselves with being the bank to those chicas. [/QUOTE]


Well, I also visit Colombia quite frequently as well as Venezuela ... I'm usually in South America at least 3 nights a week ... I've been down there for over 10 years now and I have muchos amigos (friends) also ... both men and women.

My take on the "age difference" question with these Latinas is like that of SURFER.
They all do not think the same.

Some of the chicas dig the guys their own age and some dig the older guys.
One of the reasons I hear for why they like an older guy is that they are perceived as being more faithful, more loving, and obviously more experienced at many things.

Yes, of course, in many cases, sure it has to do with the financial stability of an older guy; but to say that the "Latinas liking older men" is pure bullshit ... is in itself BS ... IMHO.
It's a well known facet of the latin culture.

Hoof Hunter is right on the money when he talks of treating people with respect and being decent. This, as well as, at least attempting to speak spanish, goes a long long way.

Suerte!

Any suggestions for a good dentist in Cartagena?

Have been using one In Bocogrande but can not remember name right now. He is a professor at the dental school. Thought I might try someone else this trip at least for a checkup, cleaning and some minor work.

I use [url]http://www.sonria.com.co/[/url]. They have an office in Bocagrande. The hours are 7 am to 8 pm six days per week. No appointment needed.

Hey Guys,

Appears it may be time to share a little wisdom. We have all made mistakes, it would be wonderful to be the exception and hit it off forever with a cute little Pisa (spelling?).

Having stated the above I have discovered, and wish to share three good points.

1. The concept of Love is universal, based soley on the female appreciation of the dollar bill. (from a friend of mine here in Kentucky)

2. If it flys, floats or fucks, rent it! ( read long ago on CH)

3. FIRST LAW OF MONGERING: We give them money for sex. We do this with multiple women.

SECOND LAW OF MONGERING: They rent their bodies for money. They do this with multiple men.

THIRD LAW OF MONGERING: The first two laws cannot be suspended.(from Jjgettis)

Just trying to help everyone keep things in perspective.

T-41 days here. Now here is the shit kicker: Yea is he who can heed one's own advise!

Damn, sounding biblical.

Relapse

[QUOTE=Tom 33]I use [url]http://www.sonria.com.co/[/url]. They have an office in Bocagrande. The hours are 7 am to 8 pm six days per week. No appointment needed.[/QUOTE]Last few times that I tried, could not get their website to work. I think that they have an operation in Medellin also.

Well, I will go to them first.

A few years back, some Colombians who lived in CTG told me about an english speaking dentist that was supposed to be very good and very reasonable. At the time they told me that a gringo could get service 24 hours a day. I will ask around when I am down there and see if I can find out who this wonder dentist is.

Thanks Tom 33

Sonria has clinics all over the country. There are 3 in Medellin including one on Cra. 70 in Laureles. There are 18 locations in Bogota.

I need to get my teeth cleaned & whitened & I'm going to need a dentist when I head down in Oct. I hope Sonria is not like the chains of Western Dental Or Access Dental here in Calif. where they do mostly welfare work thats crappy. They only hire Indian Dentists just out of dental school.

It was stated in some earlier posts but I can't find it now, but what is the best city for a gringo with limited spanish, to visit in Columbia. And would it be possible to get to that city coming from Panama? I appreciate the mansion approach but that is not really my thing.

The place you want is Cartagena. Copa flies direct from Panama City.

Scoob, Sonria is first class.

Sorry if this question has been asked too often, but I'm trying to decide between Brazil and Colombia. The girls from Colombia look great, but I’ve hear that Brazil chicks are better in bed.

I'm mostly looking for GFE, but if its going to be strictly business then I'd prefer an anal friendly location.

Any suggestions? I'm leaning to Colombia and would appreciate suggestion for which is the best city for non-Spanish speakers. BTW, I don't speak Spanish or Portuguese.

Thanks.

End of august I wanted to fly Chicago to Cali stay thier a couple of day then got to Cartegna for 4 days the go back to the Chicago. However I found its cheaper on my last leg of the trip just to fly back to Cali then to the States. I cant believe how expensive one way flights are? Did anybody experience this?
Unbelievable does anybody know chaper rates?
Im using
Continetal to fly round trip from the Chicago to cali
Avianca to cartegna round trip to cali

I feel like just booking the round trip from chicago to cali and not comming back on that flight. Just go Cartgena back to chicago.Whats the worst that will happen? Probably nothing

Dvjhnsn123

To answer your question Brazil vs Colombia, either one is good. If it's your first time, I'd say Rio de Janeiro, you can never go wrong there. Just do the Termas hopping during the day i.e. Centaurus, 4x4, 65, Monte Carlo, Solarium and hit Help or Barbarrela at night. Either one you will get GFE if you treat them right. Everyone should not miss out on experiencing Rio at least once.

You guys are worrying me a little...
It used to be the only people going to Colombia were guys with some kind of traveling experience. This just confirms those days are gone. That ain't good.

Luis,
Hopefully the worst thing that will happen is you'll be sitting in the Cartagena airport with your thumb up your ass, waiting for a flight to Chicago that doesn't exist. And last time I checked, Continental can get you from Chicago to Cali only by flying through Houston or New York. If you did some research, you'd find a better alternative would be to fly from O'Hare to Miami ($200) then Miami to Cartagena or Cali ($425).

Dvjhnsn123,
No city I know of is going to be a good experience if you don't at least know the basics of the language they speak there. You're going to struggle from beggining to end. Will you manage to get laid anyway? Probably, if you are determined and have a wallet full of dollars.
But you are much better off breaking in at a location like Costa Rica which is more geared toward tourists and more people speak english. You'll meet plenty of hot Colombiana working girls there and have a better overall trip experience. Start studying spanish if you're going to try and make these kinds of trips, it'll be worth the time and effort believe me.

I am considering a 1st time trip to Colombia in December or February. What city is suggested for a "newbie". I have been to Costa Rica several times and generally like the setup of the Hotel Del Rey(bars downstairs and hotel room upstairs).

Is there a hotel set up in this fashion in Colombia? other Latin or Asian countries?

Thanks

Capt Crunch

[QUOTE=Dvjhnsn123]Any suggestions? I'm leaning to Colombia and would appreciate suggestion for which is the best city for non-Spanish speakers. BTW, I don't speak Spanish or Portuguese.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you want no language difficulty, then Rio hands down.

Only need two words there, obrigado and nao for the touts.

Colombia has more hot women per square foot, no contest.

But Rio certainly has *enough* hot women, and they are WAY sluttier.

Help is fun, I like how my ass is grabbed no less than 20 times on a trip to-and-from the bar.

If you speak no Spanish, for sure I'd go to Rio. Plus it has way more garotas into competo (anal) and they are better, less inhibited lovers, than Colombianas.

I have been to Rio several times including a 5 week stay in Brasil just a few weeks ago. I have also been to Bogota, Cucuta, and Cartagena. Being that I speak spanish as well as english, my spanish has taken my visits to Colombia beyond expectation, at least till now (I will be in Medellin for the first time on Moday night). This is not to say one can not have fun in Colombia without speaking spanish, but it makes a huge difference, especially when safety is an issue.

For the reason stated above, I decided a while back after one of my Brasil trips, to take Portuguese lessons here at home, and my last trip was totally different than my previous one's to Rio. I banged a few non-pros than I would not have banged before if I did not speak the language and safety was less of an issue. Same applies to Colombia, spanish will take you a long way.

As to compare the uninhibited sexual appetite of the brasileras to the colombianas, hands down, brasileras take it (e.g. I have never even had to discuss the posibilities of bbbj, its an automatic deal). I have also met some wild colombianas, but with much less frequency.

Gentlemen, make a small effort to learn a little bit of a new language, cause it will take you to places and meeting women that you never would have imagined.

Have recently been told I am supposed to be the father, even though the girl said she tested negative for pregnancy and had a period after I was with her.

My Colombian lawyer says not to travel to Colombia anymore, her lawyer may file a criminal complaint against me for non-support of her and the child, maternity expenses, etc. and DAS may stop and arrest me at the border. Though I was married to her, creating a presumption of paternity, I was able to get the marriage annulled in the states. I do not plan on travelling to Colombia any more to participate in the Colombian divorce going on, who can trust their DNA testing anyway? Most Colombian Drs. would alter the results for $100.

Some other guy out there must have been the victim of this before, right?

I will probably just lay back and wait, see if anything happens in the US an defend against it if anything comes thru into the US.

Please advise by PM if you know the procedure and have any advice.

[QUOTE=Straight Shooter]I am married to a Colombian and came to know Bogota really well through Christmas and other holiday visits. ...[/QUOTE]Straight Shooter,

This was a superb report - please excuse my tardiness in reading it. I am making an assumption that you got a residence visa through your marriage. What is the overall visa situation in Colombia for non-married gringos trying to retire where life is good (eg investor, residence etc.)?

Thanks

Polvo

I am planning another trip to Colombia and will be staying in Medellin this time. I was interested in taking side trips (2 days or so) to other cities like Cali, Bogota and even Quito. What is the better/less expensive/safer alternative to air travel between these cities?

Thanks.

Digits

I rode a bus from MDE to CLO about a year and a half ago. It was cheap and safe. It did take a few hours to become accustomed to vehicles passing in obvious no passing zones. Apparently everyone drives expecting an oncoming vehicle in their lane.

I would not go to Quito over land. The Ecuador/Colombia border area has been hot with guerilla activity lately.

Thanks Tom.

Do you remember how long the MDE-CLO ride was?

[QUOTE=Npaul1]who can trust their DNA testing anyway? Most Colombian Drs. would alter the results for $100.[/QUOTE]

Colombia has a good and ethical medical profession. Insist on a report by IDEME (sp?) or one of the other top labs and you'll get an honest result.

[QUOTE=Tom 33]I rode a bus from MDE to CLO about a year and a half ago. It was cheap and safe. It did take a few hours to become accustomed to vehicles passing in obvious no passing zones. Apparently everyone drives expecting an oncoming vehicle in their lane.

I would not go to Quito over land. The Ecuador/Colombia border area has been hot with guerilla activity lately.[/QUOTE]

Note sure what the Quito overland route is, but I always check the Travel advice at the UK FCO website. I consider it more reliable than the US one. It's at [url]http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029390590&a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618385774[/url]

And you can call them and they're happy to advise you on the phone too.

They're currently saying:

We strongly advise against all travel to Putumayo, Arauca, Caqueta, Nariño, Guaviare, Norte de Santander departments and rural areas of Choco because of a high risk to personal safety. For the same reason, we advise against travel to the rural areas of Sucre and Bolivar where one or more of the illegal armed groups and drugs cartels are currently active. The risks to British nationals of being kidnapped, caught up in the fighting, or otherwise of getting into serious trouble are high. The effective authority of the Colombian State in many of these areas is limited. The British Embassy’s ability to try to assist British nationals in trouble in these areas could be similarly limited. Two British backpackers were kidnapped in Choco department's border area with Panama in 2000, and a British backpacker was killed near Quibdo, the provincial capital, in 2001.

We also advise against all travel to rural areas of Antioquia, southern Meta, Valle de Cauca, Cauca departments and to rural areas of Huila department (including San Agustin). The illegal armed groups are active in these areas. However, the capitals of these departments may still be visited by air.

The departments of Norte de Santander and Arauca, and Nariño, Caqueta and Putumayo border Venezuela and Ecuador respectively. The FARC regularly carry out raids on government forces and civilians in these border regions. In January 2005, the Governor’s Office in Arauca was bombed and, in the same month, 17 farmers were killed. The southern departments bordering Ecuador, and also southern Meta department, are also areas in which the Colombian authorities are concentrating their efforts in their war against insurgents and drug-traffickers, as part of the Plan Patriota. There are frequent clashes between government forces and illegal armed groups.

We do not currently advise against travel to Leticia, the jungle town on the Amazonian border with Peru and Brazil.

AUC (or former AUC) members, despite the demobilisation process, continue to set up illegal roadblocks in Sucre and Bolivar departments, providing an increased risk of kidnap and extortion. Likewise, the FARC and ELN are setting up similar roadblocks in Valle de Cauca and Cauca departments.

If you travel to major cities in Colombia, we do encourage you to take sensible precautions. In addition to Bogota, important business centres include Medellin, Cali, Barranquilla, Bucaramanga and Cartagena. Cartagena is a popular tourist destination and venue for major conferences.

If you intend to visit areas not specifically mentioned in this advice, you should check with the British Embassy's Consular Section in Bogota if you are in any doubt about your safety. You should also check with the Embassy before undertaking any trips to remote areas, even if these are to recognised tourist destinations.

The bus from MDE to CLO would take around 11 hours. I broke it into four legs by overnighting in Manizales, Pereira, and Armenia along the way.

Travel by land South of Jamundi (just South of Cali) is NOT adviseable for foreigners. While Cali to Popayan is less than 4 hours by bus, the safe way is to fly back to BOG where you catch the 4o minute flight to Popayan. Southern Colombia is NOT tourist friendly and heavily policed like Cartgena.

How difficult is it to find ama de casa (housewife) to live with you in Colombia or bring back to the states? I personally prefer to live there so I can have a wife and monger on the side.

It is not worth it,when you take a Colombia women back to your country she will change into a western women,and will leave you,becouse she will see alot of nice looking blue eyes blonde hair guys about.
This has not happean to me,but i have heard many a story about it.
So you have to do one of two things,
1. move to Colombia
2.forget about Colombia wife and just be a monger.

Superboy

[QUOTE=Master Yoda]How difficult is it to find ama de casa (housewife) to live with you in Colombia or bring back to the states? I personally prefer to live there so I can have a wife and monger on the side.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tom 33]The bus from MDE to CLO would take around 11 hours. I broke it into four legs by overnighting in Manizales, Pereira, and Armenia along the way.[/QUOTE]

Tom 33,

Do you know of any mongering places in Manizales, Pereira or Armenia?

How long of a ride (in hours) would it be by car to Armenia then on to Peieira then Manizales?


Thanks,


Cubanut

[QUOTE=Superboy1]It is not worth it,when you take a Colombia women back to your country she will change into a western women,and will leave you,becouse she will see alot of nice looking blue eyes blonde hair guys about.
This has not happean to me,but i have heard many a story about it.
So you have to do one of two things,
1. move to Colombia
2.forget about Colombia wife and just be a monger.

Superboy[/QUOTE]Thanks superboy. Well I was thinking pf moving, maybe next year but I just wanted to know how easy it is to meet a middle class working girl and turn her into a housewife. I hear that alot of women down there are turning into Aw's.

[QUOTE=Superboy1]It is not worth it,when you take a Colombia women back to your country she will change into a western women,and will leave you,becouse she will see alot of nice looking blue eyes blonde hair guys about.[/QUOTE]Yes Superboy this is a very hard message to us all, but unfortunately it is true what you are saying . . .

Cubanut: Antifreeze now lives in Perriera and would be happy to show you around I am sure. Mongering scene is OK from what I am told, LOTS of university girls. PM me for his email. 3 hours by taxi from Cali, less than 5 hours from Medellin. Very safe road by all accounts (unlike SOUTH of Cali).

[QUOTE=Cubanut]
How long of a ride (in hours) would it be by car to Armenia then on to Peieira then Manizales? [/QUOTE]

Cali to Armenia would be about 2 hours. It's another hour or so to Pereira. Then add maybe 2 hours more to Manizales.

I took my trip with a novia. So I never had a chance to go sniffing. There was some nice stuff strutting around.

All three metro areas are 500 - 700,000 people. Manizales is more of a university town. Pereira is the largest and most cosmopolitan. All three seemed pretty safe.

Hi guys,

I´m thinking if going to Latin America later this year - I still have vacation time left over from last year… I´m looking at late October / early November. Anyway, it´ll be my first time there and the trip will be about 2 weeks.

Now my question. Where should I go - Cuba, DR, Colombia or Venezuela? I have read most of the forum reports on these four countries (well, “only” the ones from 2005 & 2006 actually), and I think I have a good idea what to expect in the different places. Btw, I would I´d like to thank all you guys who post such great reports!

Before someone tells me “Brasil”: I´ll probably go there in 2007 – a Brazilian friend of mine is getting married next year and has invited me to come visit. So I am not going now.

I should mention that I speak Spanish fluently – I´ve been to Spain quite often in the past two years, mostly on business, but some fun also. See my posts in the Spain section (February 2006). I´m 35 y.o.

After reviewing the info, these are my impressions – please correct me if I´m wrong in your opinion, feel free to give your advice or point of view!

(1) Cuba: the scene seems to be much slower than a few years ago. Stories of hassles, crackdowns etc. Also I don't like police-states, communist or other, so I guess I´ll pass on Cuba – even though cubanas (the ones I know in Spain) are very fine.

(2) Venezuela: many people seem to complain it´s gotten too expensive & that p4p-action is too “professional” (in the negative sense), no gfe etc. Is that accurate?

(3) DR: some areas over-touristed, but others less so. Many positive reports. Crime less a problem than in Venezuela or Colombia.

(4) Colombia: many good reports. Cartagena vs. Medellin or Cali? Safety could be an issue (?), but I´m not a scared person normally. I guess as long as you do as the locals do & keep your wits about it should be ok.

Right now, I´m leaning to either DR or Colombia. I´d love to do both, but in 12-14 days it´s probably not practical. Anyway, thanks for all the info, hope this post was not too long or too boring.

Felipe2006

Gents,

As of 09-03-06 What is the departure tax from CTG via BOG to USA , $28.00 or $30.00.

Thanks,

Nowrath

[QUOTE=Nowrath]Gents,

As of 09-03-06 What is the departure tax from CTG via BOG to USA , $28.00 or $30.00.

Thanks,

Nowrath[/QUOTE]

$31USD, or $51USD if you don't get the tax exemption for tourists.

Hi Guys.

Sorry about the question here but I don't have much time. I was wondering if anyone knew if Cialis or Vigara was available in bogota w/o a prescription ? I'm travel there later this month and will report back on the street action.

Definetely Colombia is the place to go.

If you are looking for a sea resort then Cartagena and San Andres is the best choise. The later accompanied with a chica is a must.

If you don't care about the beaches then the best place is Medellin.

I didn't stay there, because my wing man could not afford it, but I suggest to stay at the Ausie's Greg Mansion or their cheaper choice.

Everything will be handy there for you.

Friday and Saturday early night go to Parque Jerras in Poblado. You will not beleive your eyes.
Later go to the very large Disco the copy of the one in Miami. Sorry I don't recall the name now.

Next time try Buenos Aires too.


El Greco

[QUOTE=Redbull #1]Hi Guys.

Sorry about the question here but I don't have much time. I was wondering if anyone knew if Cialis or Vigara was available in bogota w/o a prescription ? I'm travel there later this month and will report back on the street action.[/QUOTE]
You can get GENERIC VIAGRA at a good discounted rate, There is NO generic Cialis YET only original and those go for like 24k each pill or i heard they sell 4 packs for like 80k, you do NOT need a prescription!

[QUOTE=Felipe2006]Now my question. Where should I go - Cuba, DR, Colombia or Venezuela?[/QUOTE]
I have been to all four countries: Cuba (Havanna) for a week in 1998, DR (Santo Domingo/Boca Chica) twice in 2003/2004 for about a month, Colombia once for two weeks last year (Cartagena/Barranquilla), Venezuela (Caracas, Puerto la Cruz) once for three weeks back in 2001. As far as I can tell, your assessment of the individual countries is dead-on. For me, the order would be 1. Colombia, 2. Dominican Republic, 3. Venezuela, 4. Cuba.

A while ago, I wrote a crosscountry comparison to determine the runner-up to Rio de Janeiro (which is still best in my book), including pros and cons of the individual places. Check it out:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=460765&postcount=970[/url]

Ultimately, I think it depends on how safety-conscious you are. If safety is a prime concern of yours, go to the DR or stick to Cartagena, Colombia. If you are more of a risk-taker, I would definitely say Colombia should be first on your list.

Over time, however, I think you should do all of these countries. All of them are beautiful and have tons to offer, in terms of P4P and otherwise. And please, make sure you go to Brazil, whether your friend gets hitched or not. You owe it to yourself!

Hope this helps,

EA

Thanks MIA Heat!!!

Hello everyone,

I wanting to ship a desk top computer into Bogota to my apartment from the US. Does anyone know the best way to do this?

Many thanks!

Brian

[QUOTE=Clemson Tigers]Hello everyone,

I wanting to ship a desk desk top computer into Bogota to my apartment from the US. Does anyone know the best way to do this?

Many thanks!

Brian[/QUOTE]Hello Brian,

I have checked on this on a number occasions and I have always been told it is not possible to ship a desk top computer into Colombia for whatever reason I cannot answer and I will be very interested to see how others respond. You can ship a laptop but not a desk top. From speaking to Dell about buying one I also have found that they are much more expensive to purchase in Latin America than in the United States. I know I have ran into the same problems with shipping a computer into Mexico as well as bringing one in as part of my baggage when flying.

Pay a little more and bring it with you on a flight from the USA, or ship with Servientrega. [url]http://www.servientregaww.com[/url].

[QUOTE=Clemson Tigers]Hello everyone,

I wanting to ship a desk top computer into Bogota to my apartment from the US. Does anyone know the best way to do this?

Many thanks!

Brian[/QUOTE]

Why not buy a computer in Bogota and not worry about the duties, inspections etc...

Too bad you guys cannot make extra points, even though that was the best game on the TV yesterday. The Ohio State game was a yawner, except for Matthew Mc Coughnagy making a fool out of himself....

[QUOTE=Clemson Tigers]Hello everyone,

I wanting to ship a desk top computer into Bogota to my apartment from the US. Does anyone know the best way to do this?

Many thanks!

Brian[/QUOTE]
The best way to do it is probably not to attempt it at all.

I have heard a few sad stories of things getting held up in customs for many months, or not coming back at all.

An alternative is just to ship the hard drives down via Servientrega or something similar. You would then buy a new computer in Colombia and copy the data across. Even easier, set your computer up back in the US so that you can connect to it via internet, then download off it or use remote desktop to operate it.

Flying into Colombia from the USA. I fly from Atlanta, to Bogota, to Cartagena- do I clear customs at Bogota or Cartagena or both. Any help would be appreciated. (Destination is Cartagena).

[QUOTE=FI4451]Flying into Colombia from the USA. I fly from Atlanta, to Bogota, to Cartagena- do I clear customs at Bogota or Cartagena or both. Any help would be appreciated. (Destination is Cartagena).[/QUOTE]

Only in Bogota, where you enter the country (Colombia). And in Bogota also, when you're leaving the country (Colombia).

When you return to the USA, you deal with them in Atlanta (entry in the country). You don't deal with customs/immigration leaving the country, as US airlines are supposed to perform security checks on their passengers.

Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=FI4451]Flying into Colombia from the USA. I fly from Atlanta, to Bogota, to Cartagena- do I clear customs at Bogota or Cartagena or both. Any help would be appreciated. (Destination is Cartagena).[/QUOTE]I was surprised to find that you clear customs in Bogota without your luggage. It is checked to your ongoing flight without handling it in Bogota. The arrival in Cartagena is a domestic flight, so there is no customs involved.

[QUOTE=Clemson Tigers]Hello everyone,

I wanting to ship a desk top computer into Bogota to my apartment from the US. Does anyone know the best way to do this?

Many thanks!

Brian[/QUOTE]
CT,
Unless you are a permanent resident you can not bring in a desktop. I assume you will be in Colombia on a tourist visa. Go to the Colombia govt. website to see other restrictions on tourist or business visa's.

Scooby posted a web address for another website, that I think has a forum that covers this.

Desktops, like a Dell are just assembled parts with a logo stamped on. Once in Colombia find a person who can build one to your specs. I have also known guys who brought all the internals in there luggage and just bought the case,power supply and monitor once they arrived.

LB

Thanks for the help with my question. I am curious, is 1 hour and 20 minutes enough time to go through BOG customs and make the connecting flight to CTG? I've heard BOG isn't the greatest airport to make connections. Also, Hoof, I don't have to walk my bag through customs?

[QUOTE=FI4451]Thanks for the help with my question. I am curious, is 1 hour and 20 minutes enough time to go through BOG customs and make the connecting flight to CTG? I've heard BOG isn't the greatest airport to make connections. Also, Hoof, I don't have to walk my bag through customs?[/QUOTE]

Bogota isn't the best place to make a connection to a domestic flight from an international one. Problem is, if the international airlines delay at all in departing on-time, you run the risk of missing the last domestic flights out, to CTG, BAQ, Medellin and Cali, all of which depart between 9:15 and 9:45 pm. And of any Avianca flights, those late flights are usually the ones that leave on time, and they do not wait for connection passengers at all.

No, you do not walk your bags through customs. After collecting your bags, as you hand in your customs declaration form, you may be subject to a random search by the military police who secure the airport. Depends on whether you're unlucky enough to get the red light when you push the button.

1 hour and 20 minutes should be plenty of time to make the connection, IF your flight leaves Atlanta and arrives on time. Figure about 30 mins in customs, if you haul ass once the plane doors open. That line in Bogota for customs gets longggg, esp. when 2-3 planes often land at the same time. Also, figure 20 mins in baggage claim, even after the customs wait. Then there's the bus shuttle to the other airport (Puente Aereo) where your flight to CTG departs, figure another 10 mins for that.

My advice, do as I do and only use carry-on luggage. You'll make your flight, if you land on time. The baggage claim in Bogota, after customs, is a zoo. Just buy your toiletries (liquids) in CTG, and pack light clothes. You can have your laundry done, and folded, in Laguito for about $3-5/full load. Take them in the morning and get them back that night.

Hope that helps.

At El Dorado they have a separate line for people making connections within Colombia, so they can make their connecting flights on time. You make a right turn right before getting to the regular immigration line.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]At El Dorado they have a separate line for people making connections within Colombia, so they can make their connecting flights on time. You make a right turn right before getting to the regular immigration line.[/QUOTE]

If I'm correct, I believe that line that you're referring to is for international connections, not domestic. For instance, if you're flying Avianca from NYC or Miami with a connection flight from Bogota into Caracas, Sao Paolo, Lima, etc. I think that there are signs saying as much.

Missed a connecting flight to BAQ last year trying that. Flight was late in arriving. LOL!!!

[QUOTE=Lima Busy]CT,
Unless you are a permanent resident you can not bring in a desktop. I assume you will be in Colombia on a tourist visa. Go to the Colombia govt. website to see other restrictions on tourist or business visa's.

Scooby posted a web address for another website, that I think has a forum that covers this.

Desktops, like a Dell are just assembled parts with a logo stamped on. Once in Colombia find a person who can build one to your specs. I have also known guys who brought all the internals in there luggage and just bought the case,power supply and monitor once they arrived.

LB[/QUOTE]

I will be on a special visa because I own a business in Columbia now. This might be a good question for my lawyer.

Thanks for the help though!

CT

[QUOTE=Lima Busy]CT,
Unless you are a permanent resident you can not bring in a desktop. I assume you will be in Colombia on a tourist visa. Go to the Colombia govt. website to see other restrictions on tourist or business visa's.
LB[/QUOTE]

This is the first time I've heard this. I took a minitower on my last trip without problems (apart from the damage the TSA did anyway)

Hey just felt like venting, $910 r/t MIA to MDE/CLO/CTG or BQA on AA? AVIANCA was MORE!!! Like $950? Dec 23-Jan4. I mean WTF? What really bugs me is that my friends from NY ALWAYS seem to pay less than me and this time is no DIFFERENT, LOL I know its a peak holliday season, but it almost feels like price gouging and they do it just because they can. B.S! ahh the price I/We gotta pay to see our ladies. Whether it be Novia or P4P.. Peace "Chino"

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]This is the first time I've heard this. I took a minitower on my last trip without problems (apart from the damage the TSA did anyway)[/QUOTE]
I assume you did not declare it on your immigration form and customs did not search your luggage!
LB

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Hey just felt like venting, $910 r/t MIA to MDE/CLO/CTG or BQA on AA? AVIANCA was MORE!!! Like $950? Dec 23-Jan4. I mean WTF? What really bugs me is that my friends from NY ALWAYS seem to pay less than me and this time is no DIFFERENT, LOL I know its a peak holliday season, but it almost feels like price gouging and they do it just because they can. B.S! ahh the price I/We gotta pay to see our ladies. Whether it be Novia or P4P.. Peace "Chino"[/QUOTE]

I want to see my Novia for the holidays Cheapest I could find in continental $1090 round trip Chicago to Cali. I just went in the end of august it was only $695 total. If any body know of anything cheaper let us know.
Unbelievable..........

I wouldn't wait too long to book those holiday flights. The prices generally go UP closer to the holiday. It's rare to find cheap flights to Colombia, DR, Jamaica, etc. etc.. as the airlines know that is their prime busy season and the demand is greater than the supply of seats. Therefore, he who delays, pays. People from foreign countries want to go home to spend the holidays with their family. From a US perspective, think of the costs of holiday domestic flights here. More $$$ than normal no matter when you book it.

Best option, be flexible in your dates going and coming. Sometimes seats open up at lower rates, as people may cancel, or the airline releases more seats for sale (codeshare partners). You're gonna have to work to find that low price, meaning daily checking of Expedia, Travelocity, the airline sites directly, etc., and then being ready to jump on it immediately. Set up those low price alerts.

Another option, try to see if you can fly on miles. It's possible, if there are the allocated seats still open.

In Colombia, flights are more expensive also, esp. to the Caribbean coast, as families vacation there during that time. Bogota is a ghost town. Cali has the Feria de Cali during Christmas as well. This is some of what you're competing against.

Suerte

[QUOTE=Luis The Great]I want to see my Novia for the holidays Cheapest I could find in continental $1090 round trip Chicago to Cali. I just went in the end of august it was only $695 total. If any body know of anything cheaper let us know.
Unbelievable..........[/QUOTE]

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Requested Cabin: Coach
Date Flight Departing Arriving Stops \ Aircraft Duration Cabin
Sunday, December 03, 2006 American Airlines
AA 1048 E O'Hare Int'l (ORD), Chicago, Illinois, USA
Terminal 3 8:35 AM
Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 12:35 PM
Non-stop
757 10:30 Coach
Sunday, December 03, 2006 Avianca
AV 039 Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 4:30 PM
Alfonso B. Aragon (CLO), Cali, Colombia 8:05 PM
Non-stop
757 Coach

Monday, December 18, 2006 Avianca
AV 038 Alfonso B. Aragon (CLO), Cali, Colombia 10:15 AM
Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 1:50 PM
Non-stop
757 9:10 Coach
Monday, December 18, 2006 American Airlines
AA 1887 E Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 3:55 PM
O'Hare Int'l (ORD), Chicago, Illinois, USA
Terminal 3 6:25 PM
Non-stop
763 Coach



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Fare Tax Passenger fee U.S. Dollar
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Requested Cabin: Coach
Date Flight Departing Arriving Stops \ Aircraft Duration Cabin
Sunday, December 03, 2006 American Airlines
AA 1048 E O'Hare Int'l (ORD), Chicago, Illinois, USA
Terminal 3 8:35 AM
Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 12:35 PM
Non-stop
757 10:30 Coach
Sunday, December 03, 2006 Avianca
AV 039 Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 4:30 PM
Alfonso B. Aragon (CLO), Cali, Colombia 8:05 PM
Non-stop
757 Coach

Monday, December 18, 2006 Avianca
AV 038 Alfonso B. Aragon (CLO), Cali, Colombia 10:15 AM
Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 1:50 PM
Non-stop
757 9:10 Coach
Monday, December 18, 2006 American Airlines
AA 1887 E Miami Int'l (MIA), Miami, Florida, USA 3:55 PM
O'Hare Int'l (ORD), Chicago, Illinois, USA
Terminal 3 6:25 PM
Non-stop
763 Coach

Itinerary pricing

Fare Tax Passenger fee U.S. Dollar
478.00 + 67.00 + 15.00 x 1 Adult = 560.00

Total fare 560.00

Ticketing time limit: Wednesday, September 13, 2006[/QUOTE]Unless I am missing something Luis The Great I have always thought seeing someone over the holidays at this particular time period you are seeking information on meant over Christmas and New Years. Who knows though as some people are very lost and feel Christmas and New Years in conducted on December 3rd. :) If I find something to fit your time period over Christmas and New Years I will p.m you the information but I know the airfare is going to be rediculous.

Your correct I was referring to Christmas season rates. Dec 2x - Jan xth to be exact. I also found in October round trip rates as low as $475. Thats half of what im going to pay in Dec/Jan. $1000 But thats the price I have to pay to be with my Girlfriend for the Holidays. I think I will set up those low rate alerts someone mentioned earlier .

Update: I just checked that website Scooby mentioned.
I found those exact dates for $703 Round trip. Thanks Scooby I owe you one.

Once again thanks for everyones input.

I forgot to add the $20.00 service fee ABS Travel charges & there is a small fee to have the tickets mailed to you, I can not remember how much it is. It depends on wether they are overnighted or regular mail, I believe its free if you pick them up at the airport, I was afraid to do that I wanted the tickets in my hand before I left home. Even so they were still the cheapest I could find when I went to Colombia in April/May. Don't forget to tell them to put the tickets on your frequent flyer miles. I had no problems with them and they were very friendly.

Scooby
Happy Mongering

P.S. If you have room can you smuggle me in, in your suitcase LOL

[QUOTE=Scooby1]I forgot to add the $20.00 service fee ABS Travel charges & there is a small fee to have the tickets mailed to you, I can not remember how much it is. It depends on wether they are overnighted or regular mail, I believe its free if you pick them up at the airport, I was afraid to do that I wanted the tickets in my hand before I left home. Even so they were still the cheapest I could find when I went to Colombia in April/May. Don't forget to tell them to put the tickets on your frequent flyer miles. I had no problems with them and they were very friendly.


Scooby
Happy Mongering

P.S. If you have room can you smuggle me in, in your suitcase LOL[/QUOTE]


Sorry I tried that with my girlfriend they stopped us at the suitcase inspection at the airport - Hahahahahahaha

[QUOTE=Luis The Great]Sorry I tried that with my girlfriend they stopped us at the suitcase inspection at the airport - Hahahahahahaha[/QUOTE]Tell it like it is Luis The Great, you are only strickly heterosexual and not bisexual! I do not know why a guy would want to be smuggled in another man's suitcase as that is very strange but it takes all kinds to make the world go around and to each his own along with there sexual preferences!. :) I am still checking on some flights for you Luis so take care man and hopefully I can come across something that will fit the dates you are seeking which is over the Christmas holidays December 2x through January x. Are you sure you do not want to celebrate your holiday on or around December 3rd? :)

I think someone is on drugs or maybe they just forgot to take their prozac. Anyone who would think that a joke about being smuggled into Colombia in a suitcase is talking about something homo, must himself have questions about his own sexual preference for even thinking like that. That person needs to "GET A LIFE"!!! Being negitive all the time shows the level of immaturity a person is. God what is that person an bonehead or what.

I thought you guys would get a laugh from this. Here's the link:
[url]http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14829139/?GT1=8506[/url]

The ‘crossed legs’ strike
Wives of Colombia gang members call sex strike against crime

Updated: 2:25 a.m. PT Sept 14, 2006

BOGOTA, Colombia - They are calling it the “crossed legs” strike.

Fretting over crime and violence, girlfriends and wives of gang members in the Colombian city of Pereira have called a ban on sex to persuade their menfolk to give up the gun.

After meeting with the mayor’s office to discuss a disarmament program, a group of women decided to deny their partners their conjugal rights and recorded a song for local radio to urge others to follow their example.

“We met with the wives and girlfriends of gang members and they were worried some were not handing over their guns and that is where they came up with the idea of a vigil or a sex strike,” mayor’s office representative Julio Cesar Gomez said.

“The message they are giving them is disarm or if not then they will decide how, when, where and at what time,” he told Reuters by telephone.

Gomez said the city, in Colombia’s coffee-growing region, reported 480 killings last year.

Crime and violence have dropped in Colombia since 2002 when President Alvaro Uribe was first elected promising to crackdown on left-wing rebels fighting a four-decade insurgency and the illegal militia groups who formed to counter them.

But cocaine-trafficking gangs and armed groups still roam parts of Colombia and murder and kidnappings remain a problem despite the fall in crime statistics.

Copyright 2006 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters.

Anyone know of any good car hire places in Medellin,I would only be hiring for about 3days.
I would be greatful for any help

Superboy

[QUOTE=Superboy1]Anyone know of any good car hire places in Medellin,I would only be hiring for about 3days.
I would be greatful for any help

Superboy[/QUOTE]

A couple were listed a couple of pages ago....

When arriving in Bogota on an international flight, is there access to duty free shops like in Lima, or only on the way out?

You know for that Peter North Load? or any other suppliments?

[QUOTE=David_33]When arriving in Bogota on an international flight, is there access to duty free shops like in Lima, or only on the way out?[/QUOTE]

When arriving in Bogota internationally, there are no duty-free shops or any shops for that matter before leaving the airport. Only money exchange places.

The Lima arrival set-up is sweet!!!

OK, thanks. I`ll buy my gifts in Duty Free, Lima on the way out.

There is a popular story of Tommy Lee expressing his thoughts on the "load" topic where he states that eating celery, and plenty of it, helps build up loads at a quicker rate than normal (not quickly, just quicker than normal), and contributes to the quantity gathered.

Guess where he got that idea from? Thats right, he personally asked Peter North himself at a Hollywood party a few years ago.

Try it, whats the worse thing that can happen? Its a natural and healthy product. Just my 2 cents worth! Laters!

[QUOTE=Mangera]There is a popular story of Tommy Lee expressing his thoughts on the "load" topic where he states that eating celery, and plenty of it, helps build up loads at a quicker rate than normal (not quickly, just quicker than normal), and contributes to the quantity gathered.

Guess where he got that idea from? Thats right, he personally asked Peter North himself at a Hollywood party a few years ago.

Try it, whats the worse thing that can happen? Its a natural and healthy product. Just my 2 cents worth! Laters![/QUOTE]


CELERY?? HOLY SHIT? I dont know about that one, but i might give it a try just for fun! I also might try the L-Arganine as well, Leaving to Colombia next tuesday and Im going for 3 good nuts daily, you know after your 3rd or 4th nut your huevos start to hurt and NO MORE LECHE,, ha ha lol Peace "Chino"

Then what are you gonna do on the second day ? jaja

Can anybody here steer me in the right direction in getting some assistance with a VISA? My 6 months is coming to an end sometime in November.

* I also have a pretty killer pad on the 21st floor of a new apartment here in Poblado that is going to sit vacant for January and February while I take care of some snowbaording in the US. Not concerned with turning a profit more than finding someone to cover the expenses and keep my plants watered.

Thought I would add a few pics for those interested. Here are the specifics;

1) Approx. 1000 sq. ft.
2) 3 bed / 2 bath
3) 5 minute walt to Metro Aguacatala
4) 10 minute walk to Oviedo & Carullas
5) 15 minute walk to Carrefours
6) The NEW "Palmitas"? club might be 300 yards away. I have a great views of it and everything else from virtually every room in the apartment.
7) Refrigerator & washing machine, microwave - NEW
8) Everything in the apartment is NEW as I bought it all here(MDE) in April/May 2006.
9) EPM's highest available broadband connection at 256k. I've been told that Skype works well with this connection. Local phone connection and line.
10) Cable TV
11) Community pool, 24 hour porteria with guarded gate and electric fencing all the way around the place. It is at the end of a dead end street to boot. Super secure complex. I've never had any issues here.

* No oven. No AC. No SHIT!

* This couldn't be a better location if you don't have a car. Everything is either walking distance or a $1-3 taxi ride.

* I prefer someone to stay as long as possible if not the ENTIRE two months to ease my management burden. Short timers are hard to manage from the USA. I'd rather it sit vacant than have issues.

* I've picked up alot of good information on this site, so I figured I would give a little back.

* Inquire here with questions. If you are in town, feel free to stop by acheck the place out.

Slim

Im interested please private message me with your contact info.

Thanks


[QUOTE=Texas Slim]Thought I would add a few pics for those interested. Here are the specifics;

1) Approx. 1000 sq. ft.
2) 3 bed / 2 bath
3) 5 minute walt to Metro Aguacatala
4) 10 minute walk to Oviedo & Carullas
5) 15 minute walk to Carrefours
6) The NEW "Palmitas"? club might be 300 yards away. I have a great views of it and everything else from virtually every room in the apartment.
7) Refrigerator & washing machine, microwave - NEW
8) Everything in the apartment is NEW as I bought it all here(MDE) in April/May 2006.
9) EPM's highest available broadband connection at 256k. I've been told that Skype works well with this connection. Local phone connection and line.
10) Cable TV
11) Community pool, 24 hour porteria with guarded gate and electric fencing all the way around the place. It is at the end of a dead end street to boot. Super secure complex. I've never had any issues here.

* No oven. No AC. No SHIT!

* This couldn't be a better location if you don't have a car. Everything is either walking distance or a $1-3 taxi ride.

* I prefer someone to stay as long as possible if not the ENTIRE two months to ease my management burden. Short timers are hard to manage from the USA. I'd rather it sit vacant than have issues.

* I've picked up alot of good information on this site, so I figured I would give a little back.

* Inquire here with questions. If you are in town, feel free to stop by acheck the place out.

Slim[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Texas Slim]Thought I would add a few pics for those interested. Here are the specifics;

1) Approx. 1000 sq. ft.
2) 3 bed / 2 bath
3) 5 minute walt to Metro Aguacatala
4) 10 minute walk to Oviedo & Carullas
5) 15 minute walk to Carrefours
6) The NEW "Palmitas"? club might be 300 yards away. I have a great views of it and everything else from virtually every room in the apartment.
7) Refrigerator & washing machine, microwave - NEW
8) Everything in the apartment is NEW as I bought it all here(MDE) in April/May 2006.
9) EPM's highest available broadband connection at 256k. I've been told that Skype works well with this connection. Local phone connection and line.
10) Cable TV
11) Community pool, 24 hour porteria with guarded gate and electric fencing all the way around the place. It is at the end of a dead end street to boot. Super secure complex. I've never had any issues here.

* No oven. No AC. No SHIT!

* This couldn't be a better location if you don't have a car. Everything is either walking distance or a $1-3 taxi ride.

* I prefer someone to stay as long as possible if not the ENTIRE two months to ease my management burden. Short timers are hard to manage from the USA. I'd rather it sit vacant than have issues.

* I've picked up alot of good information on this site, so I figured I would give a little back.

* Inquire here with questions. If you are in town, feel free to stop by acheck the place out.

Slim[/QUOTE]

What is the bring in chica thing like? and how much do you need?

[QUOTE=Texas Slim]Can anybody here steer me in the right direction in getting some assistance with a VISA? My 6 months is coming to an end sometime in November.[/QUOTE]

Go to [url]http://www.colombiaemb.org/opencms/opencms/consulates/visas.html[/url]. You can download the application form. You will probably want to hire a Colombian attorney to help decide the type of VISA you want. Then you get your documentation in order and call the nearest embassy in the US for an appointment. If you have everything together, they issue the VISA while you are there. When you first enter Colombia with your new VISA, you must go to the local DAS office within 10 or so days to register the VISA and get your cedula. You must get your initial VISA outside of Colombia.

I have a Rentista VISA. It is good for one year and can be renewed in Bogota or at a US Embassy. I needed a letter from my bank saying that I have more than US$24,000 in an account. This letter must be notarized. Then the notary must be apostilled. Then these documents must be officially translated into Spanish. I brought these documents along with 2 originals of the application and 3 passport photos. Make goddamn certain that you have all the i's dotted and the t's crossed or you will not get the VISA.

KB - I don't currently have PM rights as I need to renew my membership here. I should be up and running with PM shortly and I will send you my contact info.

EK - you can bring whoever you like. It is a privately owned residence. I just need to inforn the guys at the gate who will be staying in the unit and what the skinny is. They are very cool. Nobody looking down their noses here. I'm 15 years older than my novia here and nobody thinks any different. If I were a playboy bringing in new girls every week, it would be no different.

Tom - I'm a little confused. First off, I have already spoken with an attorney who is willing to help to the tune of $500 Americano. I thought this was a bit much. I put him on hold for now.

* If I need to obtain my first VISA outside of Colombia (ie. USA), then why would I hire a Colombian attorney? Isn't he going to be working with the consulate HERE in Colombia. There is a Colombian Embassy in Houston I could visit when I get back to the states. Is this process difficult to do yourself? I like the idea of getting some help as I am kinda lazy when it comes to this type of mindnumbing, beauracratic two step - but is $500 warranted for the process to get some legal help?

Thanks to all for the responses and input.

U.S. warns of possible bombings in Colombia

POSTED: 1550 GMT (2350 HKT), September 22, 2006 (on CNN.com)


BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) -- The U.S. Embassy in Colombia has told its staff to stay away from upscale shopping malls and restaurants in the capital, saying it has information that leftist rebels are planning a possible bomb attack.
In an e-mail sent to embassy employees Thursday, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press, the U.S. Regional Security Office said that "all personnel are prohibited from frequenting all shopping malls and their immediate surrounding areas" in northern Bogota until October 1.

Talk of the embassy ban dominated radio airwaves as Colombians voiced dismay that U.S. authorities apparently had kept them in the dark about the supposed threat.

The e-mail said the warning was based on intelligence obtained from Colombian authorities.

But Defense Minister Juan Manuel Santos denied that Colombian authorities were the source of information about the possible threat from rebels from the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC.
"I don't know where they got this information," Santos told Caracol Radio on Friday. "We've done a thorough sweep of our intelligence services and can confirm it wasn't us."

U.S. Embassy officials were not immediately available for comment. A spokesman said they were meeting with Colombian defense officials.
One of the "no-go" areas mentioned in the e-mail, a dining district popular with Americans and well-heeled Colombians known as the Pink Zone, has been targeted previously.
In 2003, rebels attacked two bars in the area with grenades, killing a Colombian woman and injuring more than 70 people, including five Americans.

But since then, the capital has been largely insulated from deadly violence stemming from a half-century of civil conflict -- a calm that many attribute to law-and-order President Alvaro Uribe's policy of beefing up the military's presence in urban areas.
With more than 500 employees, the U.S. Embassy in Bogota is the headquarters for the multibillion-dollar anti-drug military strategy known as Plan Colombia.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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Just to let any mongers in Colombia know the potential risk.

$Bill

[url]http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/node/7315[/url]

Every new about safety in English is here.

Hi All,

New member here but not new to the life. Thanks to all for great info across the many forums here. Great resources like this sure help planning and prep. I and a friend are visiting Colombia for the first time in late Oct and early Nov. Hmmm, I wonder what Halloween is like at Mango's in MDE? Anyway we'll be staying at the Mansion while in MDE and also plan 3-4 days in CTG. I was going over some Spanish language prep with regard to interviewing and negotiating and came up with a question. While I know many Latinas understand English for BJ I still wanted to ask if there is any common Colombian slang that is used for BJ. I'd appreciate any input anyone might have for this word as well as for any other s*x acts.

Thanks! So has anyone been to Mango's for Halloween?

[QUOTE=Fliffy]Hi All,

While I know many Latinas understand English for BJ I still wanted to ask if there is any common Colombian slang that is used for BJ. I'd appreciate any input anyone might have for this word as well as for any other s*x acts. [/QUOTE]My fave idiom for BJ, stemming from CTG, is "cocoloco", to be distinguished from "cocoliso", which refers to a totally bald guy, or "shiny coconut head". With that in mind, "cocoloco" would loosely transfer to "giving crazy head", since coconuts sorta look like heads, no?

I've used "mama sin condom" which gets the point across, even though not endemic to Colombia.

is another way to ask for BBBJ. Por detras might work for anal.

Actually Colombianas are fairly accomodating. BBBJ and DFK are harder to find in MDE and easier in CTG. Anal is hit or miss. Most do not swallow but don't mind spitting-leche en boca.

Halloween is big in Colombia. I've never been to Mango's for Halloween, but I'm sure they do it up right. LDV in CTG has costume contests.

TEXAS SLIM:

I have an English - Spanish institute so therefore I can obtain student visas for all americans.

The visa procedure takes about ten days and the cost is 350.00 you also get a cedula de extrajeria which is a colombian I.D.

If you have any other questions please let me know it is a very easy process in which I and my staff will walk you through it.

Sincerely,

Albert Licht

Albert,

Give me your contact information (phone numbers) and I will contact you for an appointment. I believe I am right around the corner (or a block or two away) from The VIP.

[QUOTE=VipMedellin]TEXAS SLIM:

I have an English - Spanish institute so therefore I can obtain student visas for all americans.

The visa procedure takes about ten days and the cost is 350.00 you also get a cedula de extrajeria which is a colombian I.D.

If you have any other questions please let me know it is a very easy process in which I and my staff will walk you through it.

Sincerely,

Albert Licht[/QUOTE]

My Cel Number Is 3102901719 And My Office Number Is 3137009 Call Me Or Leave Me Your Cel Number And I Will Contact You.

[blue]Hi,

I sincerely appreciate your reports, but...

[red][u]Would you please STOP capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports![/u][/red]

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: [i]Thank You![/i]

Jackson[/blue]

Hi all,

Do you think these pick up artist sites could help a man out with their game when hitting on non-pros. Like I said in the barranquilla section I have terrible game here in this country and the women here are just cold. Hopefully Colombians are friendlier.

Anyway here are the sites mysterymthod.com and doubleyourdating.com.

Colombia is a different universe when it comes to friendly women.

Just be nice .... funny ... friendly ... and don't be shy.

Have fun!

And try to learn at least rudamentary Spanish.

Play No Games, I have tentative plans to be in the P.I from November 15th through the 26th so maybe we can have some San Miguels there if these dates corralate to any of yours and of course they will be on me. :) My friend and I been mongering there for years, and we both stay at the Dusit Nikko Hotel in Makati which is a beautiful hotel and close to the action. If you have any questions feel free to ask me and I will do my best to help you make your stay a great one. Another good source for info on the P.I is Surfer, and he actually just got back from there. As far as NewYears in Colombia I cannot tell you what the best city to go to is because I have never been there during those times, but this board has some great members who are very helpful and I am sure they will help you in your decison.

Good luck to you.

Since I had a good initial meeting with Albert, I decided to post some feedback. I called Albert yesterday and we agreed to meet at the DHL building at 1:00 p.m. as I have been living in MDE for approximately 6 months and need a VISA & cedula. Albert showed up right on the button and picked me up to transport me back to the VIP. We arrived at a gated entrance just a block or two off of Avenida Poblado on Calle 21. Very secure and had a man working the entrance. As a matter of fact, you could not even see the house or property until the gate opened allowing for access. Very nice place. Awesome stone paved driveway. Alot of work went into this place at some point in time. There were about a half dozen or so guys hanging around, working on their laptops, etc. We went into Albert's office and he handed me a list of items that would be needed for the two documents. Very organized and very professional. He also agreed to allow me to pay 1/2 now and 1/2 upon issuance of the documents. I will be back on Monday to execute my power of atty and deliver 1/2 of the fee. EZ PZ. We also discussed investors VISA's and the purchase of property. There are definite paths to take when executing ALL of these decisions and Albert seems very versed in the process(es). After 15 minutes or so of discussions, I was walked back out to the gate and a polite gentleman who worked for the VIP assisted me in hailing a taxista. I will report back upon receipt of my new documents. So far, I would highly recommend Albert in this area as you can probably cut somje corners and save a little money, but I prefer the quick and efficient paths to getting things done. Certain things are always worth the money paid, especially good service in Colombia.

Hey PLAY NO GAMES .....

Funny thing ... I went to that website you posted ... all colombian women ...
and on page nmbr 4 of the chicas profiles, I found an ex-girlfriend of mine ... Kelly Viviana #409.

She was 18 a few years ago ... so she's really prob 21 or 22 now.

Cracks me up. I met her thru a friend back then.

Taker easy.

Amigo ... PNGames ...

Around that time frame ... end of Dec ... Cali will be in their Ferria or carnival time. Lots of fun ... but on the 31st and on for a week things are pretty dead.

I imagine most cities are more or less the same at the beg of Jan time frame ... chicas on vacation to see family.

I don't like those marriage agency sites ... I would rather meet chicas on Amigos.com or Latincupido.com ... I really don't even do that anymore.
You could try it though ... maybe pay for a few of the e-mail addresses ... see what happens ... remember those hot chicas prob get bunch of emails.

Go to Cartagena, Medellin or Cali and just talk with every hot chica you see ... be funny ... make them laugh ... it's so much more excepted there than in the USA.
Get invited to a party and you'll meet muchas chicas lindas in whatever city in Colombia.

If you're good at talking and making chicas laugh ... you'll make many friends in person.
I'm just another geek but I have this "locura" about my personality that make chicas dig me ... except that most gringas really don't like me ... big deal :)


Suerte amigo!

Hey Play No Games ... yes, of course Bogota is nice too ... it's just not one of my regular hangouts.

I'll tell you what ... If you're a first timer to Colombia ... you said you don't like the atmosphere of the Med. Mansion type places already ... but you should really think of a stay at the Medellin Castillo ... ask for Robert.

Much more tranquilo there, plus you can always walk down to the Mansion if ya get the urge to check out the party.

The big plus is ... Robert and his staff pointing you in the right direction in Medellin.
I'm sure they will have nice parties / celebrations in December holiday time too.
I may even be there with my girlfriend at that time ... it's nice in December.

You can waste time trying to figure out a city if you're new to it ... these guys can really help you out BIG TIME! And you don't have to hang with all the guys at the Mansion.
You'll prob even meet a guy or 2 who you do mesh with and like to hang with chasing chicas.

Just advice ... I think it would be wise.

Suerte amigo! ...... I'm off to Cali for a few nights :)

I just got permission from my boss to take 1 and1/2 weeks off. I gave him some awful excuse to get away. I will be going to BAQ and Cali. I want to see if I can snatch a few non-pros whilst I'm there. I also heard there are nice pro destinations in both places. Just as I was making preparations there was a question at the back of my mind. How are the ladies going to feel about a darker skinned guy in BAQ and Cali? I am dark like denzel washington. Obviously all women have "preferences" but how will that affect my trip?

[QUOTE=Enigma84]I just got permission from my boss to take 1 and1/2 weeks off. I gave him some awful excuse to get away. I will be going to BAQ and Cali. I want to see if I can snatch a few non-pros whilst I'm there. I also heard there are nice pro destinations in both places. Just as I was making preparations there was a question at the back of my mind. How are the ladies going to feel about a darker skinned guy in BAQ and Cali? I am dark like denzel washington. Obviously all women have "preferences" but how will that affect my trip? [/QUOTE]Enigma,

I don't think that you will find race as an issue in Columbia. I am an african american and I was in Bogota about 4 weeks ago. I am not a Mr. Know-It-All of Columbia, but during my 7 day stay, I have met so many good people there. I felt like they did not see one's skin complexion. Its not everyday they see someone who is an American and has so much more than them. I am only speaking of the hard working citizens and not the pros. If you're looking for non pros, the situation is very promising. It all depends on the lady and the time you may have to put in. 2 hours to 2 or 3 days. Enigma, please stay pleasant and humble and you will be fine. I have plans to return for November for 3 weeks, but I may go back to Quito, Equador.

Good luck to you.

Dr Balling

Just go. No worries along that line with non-pro chicas, definitely not with pro chicas. Just get your Spanish game together. Your color will be one of the last things you'll need to worry about.

You might wanna get on amigos.com or cybercupido.com and line some chicas up as well. Great to have local chicas to show you around, if nothing else is popping off. Get ready to get your dance on, in both places.

[QUOTE=Enigma84]I just got permission from my boss to take 1 and1/2 weeks off. I gave him some awful excuse to get away. I will be going to BAQ and Cali. I want to see if I can snatch a few non-pros whilst I'm there. I also heard there are nice pro destinations in both places. Just as I was making preparations there was a question at the back of my mind. How are the ladies going to feel about a darker skinned guy in BAQ and Cali? I am dark like denzel washington. Obviously all women have "preferences" but how will that affect my trip?[/QUOTE]

I posted in the opinions on American Women thread (which don't frequent) but this shit is why we do what we do . . .

[url]http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1544459,00.html[/url]

Dang what a witch the she should get a foot in her ass (as Red says on That 70's show) thats all she deserves.

Does anyone know how to get into Cartagena without using a passport?

Can you get in with a D.L. and US Birth Certificate

I would like to go again, but my lawyer recommended i not go because of possible arrest for possible paternity action/non-support. Wondering if anyone has any ideas? I had alot of fun fucking the girls over the years in Cartagena. Unfortunately a girl from Med. says I knocked her up and is trying to get money from me (this was after she had a negative preg test and a period when with me) She had my passport number and my attorney says her attorney may have filed criminal charges against me for non-support.

Anybody got an extra passport? Or a country that will issue a new one for me? thanks.

I poped my first vigra yesterday. I was at false dos, intresting results not what I expected at first. I would use it again.

[QUOTE=Npaul1]Does anyone know how to get into Cartagena without using a passport?

Can you get in with a D.L. and US Birth Certificate

I would like to go again, but my lawyer recommended i not go because of possible arrest for possible paternity action/non-support. Wondering if anyone has any ideas? I had alot of fun fucking the girls over the years in Cartagena. Unfortunately a girl from Med. says I knocked her up and is trying to get money from me (this was after she had a negative preg test and a period when with me) She had my passport number and my attorney says her attorney may have filed criminal charges against me for non-support.

Anybody got an extra passport? Or a country that will issue a new one for me? thanks.[/QUOTE]

A better idea is to face this head on and get a DNA test done in the states. Stranger things have happened and on the off chance this is your child, you certainly would want to help support him/her. This happened to a buddy of mine in Peru with a girl he had sex with once while on a weeks vacation. Four years later he sold everything in LA and moved to Lima to try and get custody! I also had a son here in Lima when I was 52 and it is one of the best things that ever happened to me.

I do not know any man that could go thru life with that unanswered question on his mind!

LB

Thanks for your comments, Lima. It has been troubling, dealing with this issue, but there really is nothing I can do at this point. The woman has caller ID and does not answer my calls, only communicated thru a lawyer. All I can do is wait until November when the child is supposedly due, and see if I hear from them again. Of course they want money, a house, blah blah blah.

My Colombian lawyer has said not to return to Colombia. I have no way to go back thru customs to court to contest the matter or I could be thrown in a Colombian jail if she filed a criminal complaint for non-support, he said. Of course how do you get a DNA test if the woman is not cooperative also?

I am not too concerned about support for the child, if it is mine, in the 2 years I had known her, I had set up a business down there and planned on being with the woman permanently, that is what hurt very much, and she stole the business from me as well. I know everyone says don't let her put the business in her name, but we all do stupid things in life, and this was not my worst nor largest financial mistake.

Warning another ISG brother not to do the same probably would not help, we all have to make our mistakes ourselves and think we are superhuman enough not to have these problems!

Great reply Lima Busy-

You have to take responsibilty for your actions and you run the risk when you play uncovered.

N Paul- your passport number changes upon the issuance of a new passport. The question that you have to find out is if the Colombian records will show your old number, chances are they will be able to refernce your old number.

Sorry you have to have a valid passport to enter Colombia, A driver's license, Birth Certificate, or library card, will not cut it........

Npaul .. why not have your lawyer, or you yourself check w DAS to see if there are warrants. If this woman is deceiving you, thru your lawyer and officials, you can have this proven ... perhaps w/out ever entering Colombia. Suerte amigo.

Sounds too bad to be True, Probably is. With a Good Lawyer check DAS records as suggested. It is highly unlikely. The court system in Colombia has been really slow to process request of this nature and to believe it has gotten to Warrant stage. More unlikely. There have been numerous Scams played on Men like you that have a moral base decision system, they use it against Americans in general. We are way too nice when it comes to feelings of others. Stand up and face it head on , get proactive and expose the scam! If more people would fight this shit here in Colombia it would be less of a Problem, kinda like Lawsuits in the USA, Out of Fucn Control! But if the Child is you'res ,Do the Right thing, its you're flesh and Blood and sounds like he may need help with a Bad Mom.

Chipper

Ricker,

I asked my lawyer to check to see if any warrant, he said only I could check as I went thru customs, and then it might be to late. Of course a criminal complaint for non-support could be filed at any date, unknown to me.

I emailed DAS, but no response. Would they want me to know and be forewarned so I could avoid their legal processes? Probably DAS would prefer I enter and be arrested.

Thanks for the ideas, guys, until then it is DR and maybe Equador!

NPaul1

Non-support??? If the kid hasn´t been born yet, I don´t think that they would have much of a case at this time.

I can't think of a better reason to get a vasectomy. I have been accused twice since I had mine done (and then had the doctor test for sperm count to make sure it worked).

I just laughed my ass off at them!

DB

Npaul: IMHO you will NOT be detained by DAS upon entering the country. As David mentioned, until the baby is born there is no legal duty of support.

Go there, see if you can suss out if it is REALLY yours. Not sure if a prenatal DNA test is viable, but certainly upon birth the child's blood type will be recorded (which MAY eliminate you from paternity).

If the child is yours, you have a SERIOUS problem. If the child is proven to be not yours, tell her to quit making false accusations and remind her how cheap it is to hire sicarios (assasins) in Medellin.

Not that I advocate it, but it is possible to enter Colombia with no documentation. You can hike across the Darien Gap from Southern Panama or you can catch a boat from Esmeraldas province in Northern Ecuador.
You can also bribe the border guards near Maceio (Venezuelan border), or fly to Tabatinga, Brasil, then cross the undefended border into Leiticia in Amazonas Department. Trying to sneak across the land border in the South would be suicidal due to HEAVY FARC and para presence, LOTS of basuco labs, BLACKHAWK helicopters and elite anti terrorist police etc etc etc).

Enigma: If I were you, I would bail on Colombia and go to Japan where brothers score the hottest non pros at pickup places like Gas Panic in Roppongi or Club Underground in Iwakuni. Japan is the only country I have been to where being Caucasian is a disadvantage for scoring non pros (well with some chicks in the US too, but they do not interest me much at all any more)


Racism is alive and well in Colombia, I assure you. This is particularly true among the Paisa who subscribe to the notion that the whiter the skin, the higher the class. Same idea as in Mexico. If you insist on Latinas, go to Brazil

I was married to the woman, but got an anulment here in the US when she started talking about wanting a divorce. She and her attorney started and apparently still have a divorce action going on in Colombia, that is why she could still be claiming spousal support and later child support. Also, there is a presumption of paternity in Colombia if you are married to someone. They are using that divorce action down in Colombia to claim I am the father, despite her admitting to me that she had a period and a negative preg test after I had been with her last.

Best solution, according to my attorney, is to forget about her, though I spent 2 exciting years with her and still am emphatuated with her. It will take some time to forget about her, but she was not truly in love with me, only with my wallet.

If they try to come after me in the US, for paternity and child support, I understand that Colombia and US are not cooperating countries for enforcing child support, like UK and other countries. I probably would ignore any Colombian judgment of paternity since I know she is a gold digger, thief of my business, lier and probably was pregnant by some Colombian when I was back in the US.

I have already consulted a US attorney her and have engaged in asset protection, so there will be nothing for them to attach lien (real or not) to here in the US.

hopefully some of you gents will learn from this, I am not an advocate of vascetomy if you want to have kids later, I had hope for a good life with her but I was just duped and used by this Colombian girl Big time.

I'm going to be in CTG for about a week with a few friends sometime in mid November. Just wanted to know if any one can recommend of any clubs, restaurants, shopping areas and of course mongering spots.

How is the CTG airport, will we be searched and questioned and will the taxi drivers try to grab our bags before we even set foot outside of the airport.

Any information about CTG would be greatly appreciated, and can I bring back to the states large amounts of coffee with me on the plane.

Thanks!

Try reading the forum.

You can probably bring a lot of coffee back with you, but I wouldn't do it. You can buy Colombian coffee on E-Bay and have it shipped to your door. They also tend to scrutinize coffee because it can kill drug odors.

You will be searched but probably not questioned at the airport. The taxi drivers won't be grabbing your bags, but friendly helpers will. Those helpers then expect a tip for putting your bags in the trunk. I suggest that you decline all offers of help and walk up to a taxi on your own. The driver can put your bags in the trunk.

Actually Tom, in late August when I left CTG, my bags were searched inside and out and x-rayed. I look like an ex-military, not a treehugger, but they checked everything. A few general questions. I alos noticed that the gear of the military at the airport had US stamped on it. When I asked one of the guys , he said it was gear that was given to the colombain government as part of "Plan Colombia". It looked exactly like Army-Navy surplus store gear.

It made me wonder what type of gear our boys have in Iraq and Afghanistan, and jesus after 11/7, it could get much worse. The thought of the cake and croissant party running all three branches makes me wake up in a cold sweat.

Politics aside, I worry about those kids over there, we certainly do a shitty job supporting them, especially the politicians of both parties, led by Lurch of Mass.

[QUOTE=Ray X]Any information about CTG would be greatly appreciated, and can I bring back to the states large amounts of coffee with me on the plane.
[/QUOTE]Twice I have brought back 20 pounds of coffee from Colombia without any problem.

You don't want to put it in your checked luggage, as I was told they might just slit the bag and let the beans spill out to check for drugs. They aren't going to bother to put it back, so you would be out.

Just put it in your carry on and show them the receipt to prove that it was a legitimate purchase.

The security guy asked why I bought so much. When I told him the price in the U.S., he just nodded and smiled.

DB

Dodger Bulldog & Tom 33,

Thanks for the info regarding the coffee, but as for personal safety in CTG how safe is it to go out to restaurants, shopping, clubs and mongering. Anything that we should be aware of or try to avoid would be helpful to know aswell. We're just going down there to have a good time without getting into bad situations or having problems.

Thanks again!

I have a dirty white boy suprise for the next Cartegena baggage inspector who plays like he is sniffing my shit.

And yes you are right about splitting bags open, I am going to bring lots of extra zip lock bags because they sliced through at least a dozen of my highly organized bags and releasing the contents on common tables in plain view of taxi drivers, passengers, families, etc. In all candor I was in a state of shock at the time!! Several of the bags were just ripped open.

The way they pretended to snif my shit, what BS . . . but if they want to play dirty I can too . . . I am going to plant several choice frothy loads in various discretely placed spots and hopefully I can get some pictures of them passing my sex toys around amongst themselves, holding them up, pointing at them and amusing themselves in front of me and the public. Those Cartegena inspectors really know how to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] a dirty white boy off. Ha, ha.

real smart zidaho. Cartagena is not Berkeley or san francisco. You get smug with the Colombian Military and they will drag you outside and beat your ass. If I were you I would just keep my mouth shut. There is no branch of the ACLU or American Trial Lawyers Associations for you to complain to.

Dodger Bulldog has the right idea- show a receipt explain why, be polite. No problem.

[QUOTE=Enigma84]How are the ladies going to feel about a darker skinned guy in BAQ and Cali? I am dark like denzel washington. Obviously all women have "preferences" but how will that affect my trip?[/QUOTE]
Dont worry about anything, as long as pockets are filled with GREEN US DOLLARS you should have no problem in Colombia. Im a Moreno Panamenian and I have slayed many hoes in Panama from Colombia around the BAQ, CALI, MED area and had no problems they where feeling me and my dollars bigtime. I plan on making a trip to Colombia 2007 it will be interesting to see how Colombians will react to me once Im on their turf now, since they are treated like shit in Panama but not by me but my fellow countrymen, but I have money so who gives a fuck what they think about me!!!!

It still ticks me off!

[QUOTE=Ray X]Dodger Bulldog & Tom 33,

Thanks for the info regarding the coffee, but as for personal safety in CTG how safe is it to go out to restaurants, shopping, clubs and mongering. Anything that we should be aware of or try to avoid would be helpful to know aswell. We're just going down there to have a good time without getting into bad situations or having problems.

Thanks again![/QUOTE]

If you stay in the tourist zone, you can freely walk alone 24/7. However, don't get drunk, wear fancy jewelry, or flash cash.

Dogs, for some reason you are always more thoroughly searched when you leave the country. Count on it.

Dogs: Take the rightwing political rhetoric elsewhere please. It is a violation of forum rules and will only get the thread off topic when the 60% of Americans who do not approve of the job your side is doing respond. Express your views in the voting booth next Tuesday why don't you (polls indicate your side needs every vote it can get LOL!).

Z: NEVER fuck with customs IN ANY COUNTRY. They have all the power, you have none. Not all smugglers look like "tree hugers"; many look like rednecks or ex military (some are CURRENT military attached to Plan Colombia-does anybody read the news?).

They have always been polite to me (though I have never taken international flight through Cartagena). I have brought coffee back (for friends as I have never touched the stuff in my life) several times without incident. Once leaving from BOG I had several packages in my carry on and they guy slit one of the packages with a box cutter, sniffed it, then carefully taped over the slit and repacked it. Being courteous works wonders with customs and police the World over; giving them attitude will get it back in spades. Just smile and be polite.

I think it was the fact they made a public display of all my toys which irked me. Oh well, I'll just smear a load on the vibrator before I pack this time, maybe that will scare them away. At least it will make me feel better!!

What are they looking for coming IN to Colombia anyway . . . large sums of cash??

Need help to see which city is best for me to go to Colombia for a week. I have read Cali, Catargena, Medellin and Bogota site. But all of these cities seem to be pretty good for the P4P scene.

I have read thought that some Colombiana would not want to hang with you fif they knew you were only staying for 7 days. So I just stay at Aussie Greg or VIP since this is my first time to Colombia?

Please guys give me recomendations.

El Cubanito

PS Yo hablo Espanol muy bien amigos.

medellin- stay at VIP
or
Cartagena- rent an apartment from Mery or Juan ventura

Bogota and cali- Nope, not for first timers.....

[QUOTE=Zidaho]I think it was the fact they made a public display of all my toys which irked me. Oh well, I'll just smear a load on the vibrator before I pack this time, maybe that will scare them away. At least it will make me feel better!!

What are they looking for coming IN to Colombia anyway . . . large sums of cash??[/QUOTE]

Zidaho- you are correct about incoming. Large amounts of cash be a red flag.
You do need to follow the advice of Lawyer Surfer regarding fucking
with customs.

Surfer-Relax, I knew I would get your goat. I knew I would draw you out.
where have you been? How is life in Bahgdad by the bay? Don't fret.
I really could care less about Tuesday. They are all the same. Now 2008
is a different story.....

Colombia is unusual in that it is the only country I know where foreign tourists are just as subject to search as locals (most countries they search the locals looking for electronics and jewelry and valuables not declared). I hear Cuban customs can also be like that but they are looking more for gifts or subversive materials etc. Money laundering is clearly one of the primary concerns in Colombia (the DIAN folks at the airport are the money police).

What is really odd is that it is only at Cartagena and Medellin that it seems to happen. Never had an issue at Cali or Bogota, the primary entry points I used (though I have flown AA from MIA into Rio Negro/MED 3 or 4 times) .

All my luggage was thoroughly searched going into and out of both CTG and BAQ.

BAQ was worse with a moving line searched no fewer than 4 times, by different people, "those are the airport security, next its the customs, then army etc etc". All were polite and I have nothing to worry about (except maybe bad taste in clothing...).

It does add considerably to the time you have to spend in the airport before returning whereever you are going.

Worth it for the pussy though.

What is going on folks. Giving up the rat race for the next few years to travel the world while I'm young, healthy and good looking. I am really interested in learning the history of Colombia, exploring it's cities and culture and learning Spanish. SO a few questions for the ex-pats and Colombian locals. I would like to teach English and learn Spanish, are there many jobs available for teaching English? Where do I start? Are there many jobs for room and board? Which is the best city to start looking for work? I would only come to Colombia with about 2500-3000 USD or so. Hopefully I can secure a room or small studio for a few months whilst looking for work.
If anyone wants to put up a hard worker for room and board in COlombia, please contact me.
I hope this post does not violate board policy.

Cheers.

My name is Malvin, and I approve this message.

I think if you are only bringing a few thousand dollars, you are going to have to get a job asap.

Problem is that getting a job isn't that easy unless you have qualifications. To teach English, you will need a TEFL or CELTA certificate. You can pay for the classes, but there goes your money. If you want to do something else, you will need qualifications as well.

You can easily rent for $400 a month for a decent small apartment. But with your budget, I would not look to Monger very long. At $30 USD a pop (basically), you need free pussy.

Problem is that free pussy isn't really free. You are going to have to pay for some dates for a non-pro.

So my point is, you need to figure out a way to generate income.

Lastly, you need a Visa to stay past 6 months. Do you have a plan for that? An employer may sponsor you, but again you will need to be qualified.

So not to put a damper on your situation, but unless you plan for employment ahead of time, you are in trouble.

Now if you said you had $20K or $30K, that might be a different story.

Good luck, I hope it works out for you.

Here's the link to the TEFL website:

[url]http://www.tefl.com/[/url]

It seems to be loaded with a lot of usefull and resorcefull information. BTW, I'm also looking into relocating to Colombia for a while with only a few grand in savings. IMHO, as long as you keep your costs of living down while finding a way of generating some sort of income, one should be able to survive for the short-term (at the very least).

Coming accross some "free" / non-p4p pussy SHOULD not be nearly as impossibly hard as it is in SEX PRISON USA. Who knows, maybe you can even hook-up with a good local chica who will in turn help you out and be by your side. Who knows? It might well be worth a try. That or sit around waiting to marry an AW who, as has been exhaustively discussed in this forum (and many others as well), most likely will turn you into a wage slave and gradually cease to provide in any terms of love, affection, sex, consideration etc.......

The question for me boils down to: Do I want to risk living the rest of my life with perhaps some form of decent living standards (with the way things have been going, the possibility of this becoming harder are increasingly high) and living miserably with very little or no play. Or would I want to live with the risks associated with living abroad and thus being subjected to all the elements that come with the territories (so to speak) and perhaps, find myself living happier and God knows, even healthier and merrier???? I don't know but I sure as hell want to give it a try. Just my two cents worth. Peace!!!

Thanks for the responses, guys. I found a company that subsidizes TEFL training in a variety of cities worldwide. You have to teach for them for a year, and there are no locations in South America at all. Ah, well, beggars can't be chosers and I wish to experiance more than just a 50 hour work week in this short life.
Regarding mongering...I really have zero trouble attracting women, even in this hell hole of a place called Los Angeles. This has GOT to be the Worst city in the US to date. Too many princesses, not enough real girls. But yet, I find beautiful, quality women to hook up with...they are just not from LA. LoL. I have enough looks and brains to attract most women, I am confident I will meet a few willing tour guides that want to wrap their legs around a well built young brotha.

Cheers again for the advice.


PS- Cyberdas...go for it, my friend. Life is too short and the world is large.

Amen to what you said, Furiouz; no doubt there buddy!!

I also live in this hell hole of a place called Los Angeles where all the women (even the porkers and the bfu's) have this PRINCESS complex. It's got to be tied with with NYC in terms of dating and meeting real girls. Add to that the deep-running racial tensions that exists in this lock-up block of SEX PRISON USA and you get the recipe for the blues - for a lifetime, too!!!!

Would you be able to provide me with the company who subsidizes TEFL training? I don't really care if the cities available are not in South America. I just need to get the h*** out of here before I go nuttier than I already am.

Peace!!