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I am in the midst of planning a trip to Istanbul within the next few months, but I want to pose this question to people that have been there in the past few months. What is the security situation like? Being right next to Syria and close to Iraq most certainly doesn't make me feel very comfortable travelling to Istanbul, even for only a week or so. I've read the US State Department reports on safety and crime in Istanbul, but the material is a bit watered down. Do you guys feel safe walking around the streets there as Americans? I heard from friends who were there (as US Soldiers, stationed in Turkey about 20 years ago) and at the time they visited, they said the streets smelled of garbage/livestock, and it was simply a filthy place. Is this the way Istanbul is today?

What about you guys who are from Turkey? Now that it seems almost inevitable of a conflict between the US and Iraq, do you feel safe in Turkey?

I am just wondering how safe it is to walk the streets of Istanbul, see the sites, and talk with some of the beautiful women, being an American.

Lastly, I know that in most Eastern European countries, just speaking English and being American makes it very easy to spark up some conversation with the women, and they normally seem rather interested in you. Is this the same situation in Istanbul?

Any info from you guys would be greatly appreciated.

hey usa: I was in Turkey about 5 years ago and liked it quite a bit. From a street crime perspective I felt as safe there as anywhere in Europe. Your biggest problem will be irritating carpet hawkers. English is widely spoken and Americans are generally liked. Turkey prides itself on being secular, and if you think about it, when is the last time you heard of a Turkish terrorist?

Answering USAROCKS :
if you don't feel traveling, why do you ?

You should enjoy all your US so safe cities, where there are no gangs, no shootings, no ripp off, ... where everybody looks so friendly and happy to help you ...
Where everybody is speaking foreign language to make you feel comfortable.

Stop thinking that US is great and everywhere else on the earth is just jungle or cheap place.

If you come open minded, willing to adjust to local attitude and feelings, then you are very welcome.
And this is true for any European country.

Turkey is just a great country and stop understating it : it is a high civilized country and has more than your poor 230 years of history...

Sorry to be rude with you, but your comment is here so often expressed by other US guys, it starts to be irritating...

eFrog:

"If you don't feel like travelling, why do you"

I do feel like travelling, and I am travelling. Hence my post. You might want to actually read an article before you post a reply to it.

Comment all you want about your countries "history", the fact still remains that it is right smack in the middle of a hot zone, which is not a safe area for American citizens. The idea of being within 10 minutes range of a Iraqi missle strike just doesn't sit well with me. However I am dealing with it and will be travelling next month regardless.

Being a local, i'm assuming you'd have some good information on the ladies and the scene in the area, but it sounds like you are just a guy who has anti-American sentiment and feels like bashing, instead of answering some legitimate questions on this board.

I'd appreciate any info from anyone else knowledgable on the topics I posted earlier to reply. I am curious about how women take to American's in Istanbul.

Thanks.

In eFrog's defence, you did sound awfully uncertain about going to Turkey, usa. I have heard people complain that Paris is filthy and smelly, so I would agree with Frog in that how you approach a country makes a big difference. I enjoyed Turkey as much as Italy, but some people hate Italy, so who can say. The State Department usually errs on the side of caution; if they say its ok, its probably ok. I don't recall much in the way of SW activity, but I was traveling with a woman at the time so i wasn't really looking.

guys!!!!
turkey is a european country on the brink of becoming a member of the eu. what your army-friends told u about some parts of istanbul being dirty 30 years ago, might be true, but today's istanbul is a great place and you will have lots of fun. istanbul is certainly one of the most beautiful cities in europe and a "must see" place for everyone who travels over the atlantic.
chickwise you wont be dissapointed, go to the "serenda hotel" and have fun there. no need to be afraid walking on the streets at night, there are no streetgangs or so in here.
this "iraqi missile stuff" is ridiculous, even sadam would not be that stupid to attack turkey, since the turks would flaten iraq for retaliation within seconds.
so, come over and have fun !!!!

I agree with the local expert almost in everything he said. Turkey is a lovely country. When I went to Turkey for the first time, I was loaded with all sorts of prejudices and misinformation. To my suprise I found out a beautiful and extremely safe country... I wholeheartedly recommend a visit to Turkey to all fellow Americans, you won't regret it.

OK, this much support for Turkey should be enough.

Local Expert:

I have a question of you about Seranda. I read some of the other messages posted earlier about this place. I am wondering where exactly this disco is. Is it in the hotel? Also what is the local rate for 2 hours and a night with these Russian beauties? Since anybody can read from my face that I'm not a Turk, I don't want to get ripped off. Any information about prices of sex in Istanbul will be appreciated.

Here we go: SERANDA HOTEL, Namik Kemal Cad. Manastirli Rifat Sok. No:33, 34300 Aksaray/Istanbul.
I havn' t been there for about 4 months now, but as far as I am concerned, nothing has changed.
You take a cab from ur hotel and get off when u come to Aksaray. There u switch the cab, since the "local" cab drivers know where the place exactly is and don't have to ask around.
The prices are ridiculously low, and even lower than in Ankara. I had a great chick from Belarus for all night and just payed USD 100 for her. Notice: You have to take her upstairs and pay another 30 or 40 million TL for the room at the reception.
You enter the hotel from the main door and just walk downstairs to the disco. Entrance fee is about 10 or 20 million TL (= 6 or 12 USD). One drink and some snacks are included.
Have fun and post wether there have been any changes.

Dear local expert, a couple of questions for you to please answer...Thanks in advance......

Me and a few other buddies are headed to Istanbul in early August.......Heard about the Serenda from other sources as well......My question is:

a) Can you take the girls to your own hotel or some other hotel to close the deal other then Serenda itself ???

b) I have heard that passports (both the girl's as well as your own) have to be submitted at the front desk of Serenda when takeing the girl upstairs......Please confirm if so or otherwise ???

c) Do you pay for the girl at the front desk while taking the room or do you pay her when you are done ??? All nite usually means till 5 a.m. rite ??????

d) We are getting a great deal at the Euro Plaza HOtel in Istanbul....How is it location wise and otherwise ????? Can you take girls there ?????

We are also thinking of going to Bodrum to party and hook up with some college chicks for 3-4 days.....How is the scene there ???What are the happening places ??? How much is airfare from Istanbul to Bodrum ??? What is a nice affordable place to stay in Bodrum ???

I would really appreciate your responses to the above questions.......Thanks a million......

hi guys ...
i am back....
ask me anything about istanbul night life....

Euro plaza is a very good hotel located in Taksim Tarlabasi
i think it is a 4 star hotel and close to "hot places".....

About Bodrum..!!!!!
We need another forum to discuss it body...!!
the only thing i could say that 3-4 days never be enough...

stock broker:

You can start with giving a detailed guidance to Seranda. I think there are several people out there who will appreciate this very much.

By the way, from the bottom of my heart I want to say:
"Go Turkey! Beat some ass against Senegal!"

As I have said b4, I havn’t been to Istanbul for about 4 months now but will be there in mid September again, so my infos might be a bit outdated.
It seems to be all right to take the girls to another hotel for the buis. rather than the Serenda itself. The chick I had in February or so offered me 24h escort for 100 USD, but I couldn’t make it since I had stuff to do in Istanbul.
It is true that you and the girl have to leave their passports at the reception. This is normal in Turkey, since in case there is a police control the hotel can be shut down if the receptionist can not give full information about the guests in the place. In all other hotels in Turkey the receptionists will ask you to fill out a detailed form and keep your passport for some hours for the records. Since Seranda' s purpose is a bit different to other hotels, the receptionist (and you) don’t wanna waste time filling out forms, cause u just stay for one night :-). Don' t worry about the passport issue too much, you will get it back after the buis.
At the front desk you pay your 35 or 40 million TL for the hotel, maybe that is 50 million TL now, due to the inflation (1 USD = 1.5 million TL). Downstairs in the disco you already negotiate the price for the girl and pay her in the room. Make sure to be a gentleman, you won't regret it. Treat her well and you will see the result. Up in the room, ask her wether she is hungry and if, order some fast-food and a Coke for her. The chicks in Seranda usually don't live there but in dirty little pensions around. Since they dont make too much money, they often eat just once a day or so.
The "Euro Plaza" is a nice place in Taksim. I never stayed there, so I can' t tell you anything about the chances of bringing chicks into the room, but I think it is not a problem. Just keep your room key in your pocket when u leave the hotel, so u dont have to go to the reception when u come back with the girl. There has been a lot of info on Taksim in previous postings, so it is not necessary to go into details again. Shortly: Taksim sucks when u r looking for a deal.
Bodrum is a great place for a holiday. I have no info on the scene, but you won' t have to pay for sex. There are thousands of international (mainly British) tourists there during summer and it is the holiday place for the Turkish upper class. There are between 4 and 7 direct flights from Istanbul daily and they cost about 200 USD (return).
Have fun :-)

Dear local expert,

I really appreciate you taking out the time to answer my questions..........Thanks again....I shall be in touch........Regards..

The last report you have on Istanbul is from June 1998. I was there lately for a period of 2 months and I thought I would update the info.

First of all the GENELEVs are horrendous. These are the government run *****houses, and as others have said, it is a crap shoot, you may go in and find a 20 beauty, or as is usually the case, you will find 35-50 yo hags. Also the hassle of going to one is not worth it. You have to leave your id at the main gate with the police and Gendarme (there to keep a handle o the young soldiers on leave), get frisked, walk thru the metal detector, and then when you are in hassled by the old madams, food vendors, and the “girls” themselves. The main one in Istanbul is in Karakoy, in down town, near all the tourist attraction. It is basically a dead end street that has the “gate” on the open side. NOT WORTH IT! Also, there was a mention of finding girls in the Aksaray/Laleli area, at the small “pubs” and “bars”. Yes there are girls there, they are not as abundant as in 96-99 due to a sharp drop in trade between Istanbul and the Russian republics, and they are not as expensive as the girls I mention below. These girls are the ones not pretty enough to strip, to be “acceptable” in the hotel lobbies, and maybe not bold enough to work at some of the upper end “discos”. They are OK, the good thing is if all you want is a quickie, you can go in to one of these bars, open around 10 pm, pick/bargain ($40 for 1-2 hrs) and take her out of there. Usually these girls will not go back to your place if it for a fast screw, they will want to stay in the area and will take you to one of the cheap rent by the hour places in and around Aksaray and Laleli. On big drawback is that the immigration police raids these places often, and if you are there, you will be taken in, questioned, and after 3 hours released. Some quickie eh.

Other options are the “strip” clubs, and the major hotel lobbies. In the first case, the girls are gorgeous 8-10, and always from Eastern Europe. The clubs are swanky, and in the nice area of town. BUT, just because she strips, doesn’t mean she will join you. These girls work for the club, and make a salary plus “commission” on drinks. Their main goal is to keep you there, drinking as long as possible, and then maybe if she likes you, she may agree to go back to your place. From those that have succeeded in getting a girl out, the fee seems to be US $ 100 for all night, which since you are leaving at 3-4 am means until 9-10 am that morning. If you want to spend $200 in drinks and tips to get laid, that’s up to you. In the second case, trolling the major hotel lobbies, it is a 50/50 proposition. If you can get one of the bellhops to point out the working girls to you, you will at least reduce the risk of propositioning the wrong lady. Again the girls are Eastern European, 19 to 28, well dressed, and pretty god looking. The fee for these girls is also $100, but if you can hook up with them early, all night means ALL night. Most of theses girls speak passable English, and you can carry on a conversation of sorts with them.

The solution I found for myself was the following. First, if I was in the mood to drink, dance and party, I would go to a place called Demirkoy Hotel. It is in the ATAKOY marina, near the Galleria shopping center and the Holiday inn. The place is basically a very old tourist vacation resort that caters almost 80% to working girls and their customers. For some reason they NEVER get raided, and I was told that they have never had any problems with bar fights etc, so generally safe. There is a nightclub there that opens around 10 pm, but doesn’t get interesting until midnight. The place is not all that imagine an old fashioned disco from the 80s and that is what it looks like. What makes the place interesting is that it is FULL of working girls. By this I men that on a slow night, here will be at least 20 girls there, and from Thursday to Saturday, there will be 40-50 girls there. The nice thing is this, they do not allow Turks in, if not the place would have 150 men in there, the majority of men in there are in Istanbul on business, and every time I went there, the men to women ratio was about 5 girls per man. The girls here are a very mixed bunch, most from Ukraine, Russia, and Romania, with a mix of Moroccan (they get a lot of Arabs here), Turks, and Iranian. The girls range from 5-8 in looks, and they all speak at least 3 languages including English. The nice thing about this place is you can sit at a table and order a bottle, ½ a bottle, or only drinks, and take in the sights. If you don’t like what you see just pay and leave. There is a price list, so you know what you will pay; the most I ever paid was $70 for 3 people. They will try to place a huge tray of fruit on it, and try to get you to order separate drinks for the girls, but the girls usually will drink with you, and if you don’t want the fruits etc, tell them, and they will not bother you again. Once you are settled in, just take your time to look for what you like, and when you find her, either get up and invite her to your table, or get a waiter to call her over. After that, it is up to you, if you want to stay and dance, or if you want to leave. Be careful, do not let the girls approach you, and sit themselves down, you will have a hard time getting them to leave. Usually the girls that come to the table are those that are desperate, haven’t a customer in a while and need money, or they are the classical pushy type *****s that are all mouth and no action. Also, make sure before you leave the place to agree on the price with the girl, again it should not be more than $100 for the night, and if you see her again, it WILL come down. Do not leve your wallet or cash in the room when you are taking a shower. Do not give the girl your tel# unless you really enjoyed it and ant to see her again, outside of this situation. Do not agree to go to her place, or take her friend along, always your place, or stay in one of the rooms at that hotel. Always use protection; the girls usually do not have any condoms, so you bring yours along (unless you enjoy playing Russian roulette with your life). These are pretty common sense things, but I thought to mention them because in our LUST, we sometimes forget the basics. I have always had good experiences at this place, by that I mean I never felt at risk, or uncomfortable, but I have picked girls that were not really pros, or good in bed. I would suggest going for the Russian and the Romanian girls, as they seem to be more uninhibited, and willing to please. I find the Moroccan and the Arab girls very prudish, and have a tendency to beg for more money after you have done the deed and generally pestering. There is a $10 entry fee, and if you leave with a girl, she will expect you to pay her $3 wardrobe fee. Tip well (door $2/maitre d $5 / and waiter $2) and when you come back you will be remembered and taken care of.

The other way I connected with working girls was through an unofficial escort service run by a Russian madam, I found this one but from what I was told there are many more like her. You call in the afternoon, tell her what you want-exactly-and she will call you back to tell you who she has available, and describe her to you. She usually has girls that have just arrived to Turkey, and as such, most of them do not speak English well. The girls she has are all 8/9 and I had one or two 10s. Once you agree on the time place etc, the girl will show up and that’s that. The fees are again $100. This is a great way to go if you don’t want to deal with leaving your hotel, and brave Istanbul traffic. All the girls from this service were MORE than adequate, and did everything I desired. Note that she may ask you for taxi money when she is leaving. Getting them into the hotel is no problem, they are used to this, and do not bother, so do not fall for any security person or doorman trying to muscle you for a tip.

That is all for now. I will be going to Antalya on the Med coast in July/August, and from what I have been told, it is even better down there. I will report back after my trip.

To "High-Roller": was a pleasure, have a nice trip
To "By email": Do you have the number of the russian madame you mentioned? Sound like a good deal.

By Email:

Can you please post the phone # of that Russian madame or email it to my private email address (expatgo@hotmail.com)?

Thanks a lot!

Local Expert and Stockbroker:

Can you please also let us know when things start get going in the disco of Seranda Hotel? Is 9pm too early? Is after midnight too late? What time do you usually go there?

Thanks!

9 pm is too early.....
Night life in begins at 10 pm in istanbul,weekends may be later
Girls come and go,so you better wait for a while to make your choice.
Check the traffic!!!!!keep your eyes on entrance....

Hi, guys!
I will be traveling to Istanbul for 5 days and I was wondering how can I find some profesional models (mentioned by Osman in November 2001). I don't know any "important" people in Istanbul, but I am willing to pay up to 1000$ for the premium category fuck.

Ok, here I am, live from Istanbul!
Oh boy, what a disappointment :-/

The locals are, generally speaking ... well ... butt ugly, excuding maybe some exotic cuties, but not enougth to drive the average over the minimum required to catch my interest.

Compared with the bulgarian, the romanians or the ukrainan those girls take a 6-0 6-0 6-0.

''Natasha'' action is, as previously stated, in the Aksaray area.
But the quality is well below average, for the russian standards, and the prices are not so cheap: 100 USD.
The area is very ugly and cops are everywhere making raids.
Haven't tried the Seranda, but the other nightclubs are the worst ripoffs I have ever seen in Europe (40 USD for a coke and a small beer).

So we have:

- inflated prices;
- unsafe areas;
- ripoffs;
- below average locals;
- below average ''natasha''
- apartment and escort scene difficult to find;


IMHO avoid Istanbul if you're in the mood for some *****mongering. Stick with the Czech Rep. or with the Romania instead.

Guys,

I have another question:

I've been to Istanbul, and I know that like in Western Europa people mostly tend to dress to impress unlike Americans. When you are hunting for a Russian girl in the Aksaray area, say at Seranda, what would be the appropriate dress code not to be spotted as a foreigner right away. How do you dress when you go whoring in this area? Thanks in advance!

You'll be spotted as a tourist in less than a minute I guess.
Or maybe your ancestors were from turkey and you have not changed your clothes a washed your face in the last two weeks.
I'm not saying that all man in turkey are so dirt, but in the Aksaray (not exactly Rodeo Drive boys ...) area this is the average man you spot.

Aksaray is much more like Calcutta than Beverly Hills, I hope you have already understood ...

Bannana Joe,

Where were the places that you say are "unsafe"? I am also planning on travelling to Istanbul soon. I will be touring many places in Europe this summer, Romania, Czech Republic, and Turkey.

How much do you need to spend per day on food?

Do you think this is a nice city to visit if you are meeting a Ukrainian girl and wish to spend some time with her? (She is from Ukraine, I am from USA, and this is the cheapest place for us to meet and very easy for us both to get visa's)

I will not be out "hunting", I already have caught my fish..lol

Any places or clubs you suggest going to?

Did you stay in a major hotel? I am told that working girls are often found in the hotels of Istanbul.

Any help anyone can offer would be great. Thanks!

It is true that Aksaray is a fairly bad place, but comparing it to Calcutta is definitely unfair. If you look at the ***** areas in other Meditteranian cities like Naples, on Crete or in Lisbon at the port area, these are even worse than Aksaray.
Of course you have cops in the area and there are several rip-off bars as well. The cops do sometimes raid the bars/discos but they won't touch you (no matter wether you are a tourist or a Turk), they want to catch illegals. Just stay seated, show ur ID and wait for the cops to leave (after 10 minutes or so).
But !!! Aksaray is not an unsafe area !!! You will not get beaten up there, they won't steal your money or rob you. I live in Turkey for 7 years now and have allways been treated with respect.
I have been to one of these rip-offs last year and was seriously dissapointed, but the Seranda is suprisingly different.

Regarding dress code, just shave, wear a jeans and a shirt. You will be spotted as a tourist anyway and if you wear the typical "poor people' s Haute Coiture" which is a an old suit, no tie, open shirt and white socks, you won't be camouflaged at all, they will just call you an idiot.

I have never had the pleasure to pop over to Romania, Bulgaria or the Czech Republic, but some of my Turkish friends do travel to Romania for sex and prefer it to Istanbul. Now, since this page is about Turkey, I can only give you my expirience about Istanbul and Ankara.

If you want to impress your girlfriend with a cute and very clean hotel in a restored old building in Istanbul, take one of the hotels you find under this link: http://www.nisanyan.net/harita.asp?no=is2

If you wanna party with your girl in Istanbul, go to places like Ortaköy, Levet or Taksim (Istiklal Cad.).

Does anyone have any information about the Escort scene in Istanbul? Other than finding an escort agency in Ukraine and having a girl sent over to you, do you know of any good escort agencies in Istanbul?

From what it sounds like, from people like Bannana Joe, is the women on the streets...pro's and non-pro's...are nothing special, including the Russian/Ukrainian pro's.

If anyone has any info on escorts in Istanbul, and prices, it would be appreciated.

Well, Mario... the answer is "not easily". I am not feeling comfortable about posting information publicly, but if you are really interested in tracking down and contacting profesional models e-mail me privately at : hasan_zani@yahoo.com

Agree local expert ... Aksaray is not Calcutta, but I think you'll agree that is not a beautiful area or with a great scenery and neither a relaxing place where you can enjoy a romantic dinner or some sightseeing with your girlfriend. I have found Istanbul safe, but not relaxing. It's different.
You'll agree that is different to feel safe because cops are everywhere or because streets are "naturally" safe, like in Copenhagen.

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> How much do you need to spend per day on food?

It's very difficult to spend more than 20-30$.
But usually I stick with small restaurants or with the food sold on the streets, so I can easily eat (and sometimes splurge) with 10$ a day on average.


> Do you think this is a nice city to visit if you are meeting a
> Ukrainian girl and wish to spend some time with her? (She is
> from Ukraine, I am from USA, and this is the cheapest place for > us to meet and very easy for us both to get visa's)

Yes.
I'm not a great fun of Istanbul, but Sultanahmet (during the day) and Taksim (during the night) areas are definitely worth the look.


> Did you stay in a major hotel? I am told that working girls are
> often found in the hotels of Istanbul.

I was in a major hotel in Aksaray and later in a small one in Sultanahmet. Never spotted girls in the lobby.
But maybe you can find them in the Aksaray area.


Banana Joe

BananaBoy, I don't know what crack you smoke but the Turkish women I met in Germany can be quite stunning, in fact they are often dropdead gorgeous. Germany has a large Turkish community, if you want to meet a hot Turkish woman, you have to visit Germany, there is no ifs ands or buts about it. Visit an FKK club and you will see what I mean, some of them are attractive at worst and can be dropdead gorgeous at best. I would agree with you that in Turkey itself it is difficult for a guy to find a good looking woman. Then again the place is a poor religous fundamentalist country so what would you expect??? If you go to Greece, there are plenty of beauties but the local ladies seem to have something against prostitution.

Restated:

"The locals are, generally speaking ... well ... butt ugly"

"excuding maybe some exotic cuties"

"but not enougth to drive the average over the minimum required to catch my interest"

You know then meaning of "AVERAGE"?
Ever been in Romania before?
Maybe you're into fat girls, big butts, black teeth (if any) and so on.
I, for myself, stick with long legs, small ankles, round butts and white teeths.

A couple of stunners can't drive higher the average ... even in USA you can find Pamela Anderson and Cindy Crawford lookalike, but the average is so damn fat and ugly.
And thousands of american dudes *****mongering around the world is the proof.

You'll never find turkish girls hooking in Romania or Russia, but plenty of the opposite situations ... you wonder why?
Maybe is something related with the economics laws of offer and demand.

No actually I agree with you most women "IN" Turkey are ugly, but if you go to Germany its a different place. Yeah I 100 percent agree with you about the "average", in America you have a small percent of women who are top of the line but the average American woman is not too pretty, in fact often fat and disgusting, the same thing goes for Britain and Ireland. But elsewhere in Europe I have found plenty of hotties, almost every country in Western Europe has plenty of attractive women, so has Eastern Europe as well. Generally I like Western European ladies more. What you mean about Romanians and Bulgarians? Is the average lady there prettY?

> Is the average lady there pretty?

Yeah!
And romanians are prettier then bulgarians, IMHO.
If you're into big boobs and ok legs, go for Romania or Hunghary.
If you're into super legs, go for Russia or Ukraine.

hello

went to seranda hotel last week and it still surprises me..... very nice....
local expert and stockbroker will confirm this observation

Would someone who has frequented the Serenada Hotel in the past few months mind giving us a detailed description of the place, what to expect when you walk in, prices, and what the ladies are like?

I think that is a question the majority of the people who visit the Istanbul forum are looking for, or are curious about :)

Thanks!

Banana Joe........

i have been living in istanbul for 35 years and
you are just telling lies....

i dont believe you.............!!!!!!!!!!
and i am curious about your purpose........

No lies stockbroker.
I have slept in Hotel Beer in Aksaray and in the Hotel Park in Sultanahmet (Cankurtaran, Utangac Sok. 26) ... why do you think I'm a liar?
Only because someone asked me 40$ for a small coke in club in Aksaray?
Only because, excluding some cuties in the receptions (Hotel Beer for example), the turkish girls were butt ugly?
Only because I have seen many police raids happen in Aksaray under my eyes?
Hey broker, where's the problem?
I was in Istanbul for fun, and I have found that in other countries is much more easier to chase girls ... you are in Istanbul for business, so you don't have the choice, you have to think that everything is fine and try to feel good in Istanbul.
I can choose where to chase girls, and Istanbul is not suited for me.
Sorry.

Come on guys
do not fight. everybody has different choises. But I would say I am quite happy with the sex scene in Istanbul. I think banana joe hasnt been to budapest bucarest or even central europas amsterdam or berlin yet. I have seen too many police raids.......
Any bars similar to those in Laleli&Aksaray in Europa are great big rip-offs. The thing is always to know where to go. Thats it.. Stop fighting and back to the forum for more info about istanbul... come on

To "By E-mail" :

Can you please send the phone number of the Russian madame to my e-mail address (leo_leone@hotmail.com) ?..

Thanks...

to by e-mail,
would you please send me the phone number of the russian mama as well. yaks87@hotmail.com

can someone please explain the escort scene in Istanbul? I would like to hear more about that Russian madame myself (mastablue@hotmail.com)

Also, can someone PLEASE make some detailed posts about Serenada Hotel?

Thanks

Banana Joe:

FUCK OFF!! You're not invited to Istanbul and we don't need useless tourists like you so you're free to get the fuck away if you don't like it. Stick your dirty money up your ass and do not come to Istanbul again. Fuck you and fuck your attitude. It's not our fault that nobody gives as good blowjobs as your mother does. So don't get too complexed about it. If you don't fancy Turkish girls then go fuck your overweight sister instead. Go to France and fuck stinky girls with hairy armpits or go to Romania and get AIDS. You haven't seen the upper class Turkish girls so just shut the fuck up loser. Or maybe the upper class ones don't want to fuck you even for money because you're too damn ugly and stinky. It's true that Turkish girls are nasty bitches and they're only after money, but they're NOT ugly. Though they're just like other women, they want to fuck humans only. So you have absolutely no chance. Do not ever approach Turkey and stick your dick elsewhere you moron.

Poor Cachondito, are you feeling frustrated 'cause I can choose many flavours, many different pussies and instead you have to stick your dick in a shithole? Oh poor turkish faggot.

Are you wondering why EVERY eastern european girl outside of turkey refuse to marry or date a turkish man? Maybe is something related with your fucking rude attitude toward women.
But you don't have to trust me: check by yourself in one of the many dating (marriage) agency websites based in russia or ukraine, for example. You'll find that almost all the girls clearly states that they're looking for a man from every country, turkey and saudi arabia excluded.

I have already said that turkish women are not pretty ON A-V-E-R-A-G-E, moron, I have already said that you can find some cuties.
You know the difference between the concepts of "average girl" and "upper class girl"?

Maybe French girls have hairy armpits, never checked, but I'm pretty sure that turkish girls have well developed moustaches, maybe because they want to mirror their mothers, moron.

oh my god...... !!!!
guys, could u pls. stop insulting each other or carry on with this juvenile crap somewhere else. i dont give a shit what your personal opinion on turkish, romanian or even martian girls is, i want to have more practicle infos on istanbul and the other cities of this country.
let us not [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] this site with turning it into a personal "war scene".
thank you !!

I agree local expert.
But someone have not yet understood the meaning of "average", I guess.
But all in all, I have to agree with you.
So this is my last post in this area.

yes, stop the nonsense. do I need to beg you guys like Local Expert and all you other guys who know the area for some info on Serenada? Or the escort scene?

I'm going there at the end of the month and really would think detailed info would be valueable :)

Thanks

I have been to the Disco in Hotel Seranda, a previous post by someone else was reasonably accurate, but you must take your ORIGINAL passport with you, without which they will not let you in, plenty of pretty girls dancing there, they looked available, also, you will not be able to sit and admire them for more than 15 minutes without buying yourself a drink. Don't take more than $100 with you, and be alert.

Does anyone here have any info/pics/phone numbers on Independent escorts in Istanbul that would come to your hotel?

I'll be staying in the 5 star Platan hotel and I am looking for a independent escort for a few hours, maybe even the full night. If anyone could send me some info at mastablue@hotmail.com i'd definitely appreciate it. Preferably a "Natasha" type girl, but any beautiful woman will be great.

I don't like the idea of handing anyone my passport, so even though I am tempted, I don't think I will be going to Serenada. In the daily papers are there any numbers for indepdendent escorts?

Info on this would be great if anyone has some.

Thanks!

Hey guys whats up with the Istanbul forum? It was really active a few weeks ago now its dead :) And right before my trip to Istanbul. LOL

Can anyone recommend some good areas to find some Russian/Ukrainian women who speak at least some English?

Thanks

French girls don't have hairy armpits. I shagged quite a few French women and didn't see any armpit hair, though they do have hairy pussies.

Yeah.. not every French chick has hairy armpits but everyone of them that I have done has had a great big black forest of a wiki bush down there. They also seem a bit ripe compared to Mexican, Thai, Korean, Chinese, Filipino and Spanish chicks but about the same as Italians, Greeks and Puerto Ricans. They are also not as bad as local Turkish or Egyptian "business" women.These, of course, are generalizations based upon my own experience banging here, there and everywhere.

To everyone who is asking for the famous madame's tel# (that was my report via email), I will get back to you by email, we don't want to ruin a good thing for ourselves do we!!!

Next, the scene down in Antalya, yes I know this is or Istanbul, but I just HAVE to tell you guys. If you like Russian babes, this is the place to be in the summer. I seems that all the girls are just 92 and 10s! I stayed in the city at the Dedeman Hotel, and from day one just had a total pigfest. First off the prices are the same, $100 for the night. Next, the girls here are all independant workers, and are here to enjoy the sun, the beach, and our dollars. I found that the whole thing is so different from the regular hunting we have to go thru. Your on the beach, meet a girl, talk, agree to meet at your hotel, go out to dinner, then a club (Club 29 rocks), go back to your hotel, fuck, have breakfast in the morning, then start all over again! I did just that for 45 days!

Suggestions:
1) do not stay at a 5 star hotel, they tried to screw me by saying they would charge for the extra "guest". There are Too many really good 3star hotels along the beach (going towards KEMER) that are absolutely no prob, and cost 1/4 of the price.

2)Enjoy yourself and make t a whole night affair, from dinner all the way thru to breakfst. I did the club pickup thing, it was good, but not as good as spending a few hours with the girl b4 getting into her panties.

3)Be aware that there are MANY regular Russian tourists in Antalya, so do not proposition a girl without making sure that she does not have Ian in tow!

4)All these girls are there to have fun, enjoy themselves, and make a little cash along the way, don't be an ass. Treat them nice, and believe me they will do the same.

5)If you liked her that much, ask her for her cell #, and meet up with her again, I did and got it for free (mid afternoon siesta sex....the best!)

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

The last report you have on Istanbul is from June 1998. I was there lately for a period of 2 months and I thought I would update the info. First of all the GENELEVs are horrendous. These are the government run *****houses, and as others have said, it is a crap shoot, you may go in and find a 20 beauty, or as is usually the case, you will find 35-50 yo hags. Also the hassle of going to one is not worth it. You have to leave your id at the main gate with the police and Gendarme (there to keep a handle o the young soldiers on leave), get frisked, walk thru the metal detector, and then when you are in hassled by the old madams, food vendors, and the “girls” themselves. The main one in Istanbul is in Karakoy, in down town, near all the tourist attraction. It is basically a dead end street that has the “gate” on the open side. NOT WORTH IT! Also, there was a mention of finding girls in the Aksaray/Laleli area, at the small “pubs” and “bars”. Yes there are girls there, they are not as abundant as in 96-99 due to a sharp drop in trade between Istanbul and the Russian republics, and they are not as expensive as the girls I mention below. These girls are the ones not pretty enough to strip, to be “acceptable” in the hotel lobbies, and maybe not bold enough to work at some of the upper end “discos”. They are OK, the good thing is if all you want is a quickie, you can go in to one of these bars, open around 10 pm, pick/bargain ($40 for 1-2 hrs) and take her out of there. Usually these girls will not go back to your place if it for a fast screw, they will want to stay in the area and will take you to one of the cheap rent by the hour places in and around Aksaray and Laleli. On big drawback is that the immigration police raids these places often, and if you are there, you will be taken in, questioned, and after 3 hours released. Some quickie eh.

Other options are the “strip” clubs, and the major hotel lobbies. In the first case, the girls are gorgeous 8-10, and always from Eastern Europe. The clubs are swanky, and in the nice area of town. BUT, just because she strips, doesn’t mean she will join you. These girls work for the club, and make a salary plus “commission” on drinks. Their main goal is to keep you there, drinking as long as possible, and then maybe if she likes you, she may agree to go back to your place. From those that have succeeded in getting a girl out, the fee seems to be US $ 100 for all night, which since you are leaving at 3-4 am means until 9-10 am that morning. If you want to spend $200 in drinks and tips to get laid, that’s up to you. In the second case, trolling the major hotel lobbies, it is a 50/50 proposition. If you can get one of the bellhops to point out the working girls to you, you will at least reduce the risk of propositioning the wrong lady. Again the girls are Eastern European, 19 to 28, well dressed, and pretty god looking. The fee for these girls is also $100, but if you can hook up with them early, all night means ALL night. Most of theses girls speak passable English, and you can carry on a conversation of sorts with them.

The solution I found for myself was the following. First, if I was in the mood to drink, dance and party, I would go to a place called Demirkoy Hotel. It is in the ATAKOY marina, near the Galleria shopping center and the Holiday inn. The place is basically a very old tourist vacation resort that caters almost 80% to working girls and their customers. For some reason they NEVER get raided, and I was told that they have never had any problems with bar fights etc, so generally safe. There is a nightclub there that opens around 10 pm, but doesn’t get interesting until midnight. The place is not all that imagine an old fashioned disco from the 80s and that is what it looks like. What makes the place interesting is that it is FULL of working girls. By this I men that on a slow night, here will be at least 20 girls there, and from Thursday to Saturday, there will be 40-50 girls there. The nice thing is this, they do not allow Turks in, if not the place would have 150 men in there, the majority of men in there are in Istanbul on business, and every time I went there, the men to women ratio was about 5 girls per man. The girls here are a very mixed bunch, most from Ukraine, Russia, and Romania, with a mix of Moroccan (they get a lot of Arabs here), Turks, and Iranian. The girls range from 5-8 in looks, and they all speak at least 3 languages including English. The nice thing about this place is you can sit at a table and order a bottle, ½ a bottle, or only drinks, and take in the sights. If you don’t like what you see just pay and leave. There is a price list, so you know what you will pay; the most I ever paid was $70 for 3 people. They will try to place a huge tray of fruit on it, and try to get you to order separate drinks for the girls, but the girls usually will drink with you, and if you don’t want the fruits etc, tell them, and they will not bother you again. Once you are settled in, just take your time to look for what you like, and when you find her, either get up and invite her to your table, or get a waiter to call her over. After that, it is up to you, if you want to stay and dance, or if you want to leave. Be careful, do not let the girls approach you, and sit themselves down, you will have a hard time getting them to leave. Usually the girls that come to the table are those that are desperate, haven’t a customer in a while and need money, or they are the classical pushy type *****s that are all mouth and no action. Also, make sure before you leave the place to agree on the price with the girl, again it should not be more than $100 for the night, and if you see her again, it WILL come down. Do not leve your wallet or cash in the room when you are taking a shower. Do not give the girl your tel# unless you really enjoyed it and ant to see her again, outside of this situation. Do not agree to go to her place, or take her friend along, always your place, or stay in one of the rooms at that hotel. Always use protection; the girls usually do not have any condoms, so you bring yours along (unless you enjoy playing Russian roulette with your life). These are pretty common sense things, but I thought to mention them because in our LUST, we sometimes forget the basics. I have always had good experiences at this place, by that I mean I never felt at risk, or uncomfortable, but I have picked girls that were not really pros, or good in bed. I would suggest going for the Russian and the Romanian girls, as they seem to be more uninhibited, and willing to please. I find the Moroccan and the Arab girls very prudish, and have a tendency to beg for more money after you have done the deed and generally pestering. There is a $10 entry fee, and if you leave with a girl, she will expect you to pay her $3 wardrobe fee. Tip well (door $2/maitre d $5 / and waiter $2) and when you come back you will be remembered and taken care of.

The other way I connected with working girls was through an unofficial escort service run by a Russian madam, I found this one but from what I was told there are many more like her. You call in the afternoon, tell her what you want-exactly-and she will call you back to tell you who she has available, and describe her to you. She usually has girls that have just arrived to Turkey, and as such, most of them do not speak English well. The girls she has are all 8/9 and I had one or two 10s. Once you agree on the time place etc, the girl will show up and that’s that. The fees are again $100. This is a great way to go if you don’t want to deal with leaving your hotel, and brave Istanbul traffic. All the girls from this service were MORE than adequate, and did everything I desired. Note that she may ask you for taxi money when she is leaving. Getting them into the hotel is no problem, they are used to this, and do not bother, so do not fall for any security person or doorman trying to muscle you for a tip. If you want the # for the madam, send me an e-mail, and I will send it to you.

That is all for now. I will be going to Antalya on the Med coast in July/August, and from what I have been told, it is even better down there. I will report back after my trip

Cossack

Dear Cossack,

Your report was very imformative as I plan to visit Istambul this summer. Please can you tell me a contact telephone number or address for the Russian Madam you mentioned. As you said you were satisified with the girl you ordered. Many Thanks.

Hi Cossack,

Great info man. Will be down that way in September - would love the email address.

Thanks man,

ruf_66@yahoo.com

Never, never, never fall in love with the prostitute, ever!
After seeing her once, resist the temptation to see her again, even if she looks like angel and fucks like she-devil.

Mario,
could you please tell me how can I meet that she-devil. I am willing to take my chances.
dellboyy2002@yahoo.com

HÝ cossack,
Thanks for the good info's.Would you please send me the contact
number of the madam.thanks
e-mail:yaks87@yahoo.com

"Never, never, never fall in love with the prostitute, ever!
After seeing her once, resist the temptation to see her again, even if she looks like angel and fucks like she-devil."


Wow Mario, where did that come from????

The trick to this problem is to always, ALWAYS remeber that SHE is on the job. Not neccessarily while you are doing the deed, but after, when that post sex glow sets in. Unless you are willing to supprt her indefinitely, she WILL be fucking someone else very soon. See her again, especially if "fucks like a she-devil", be her friend, enjoy the time, but LOVE??? I don't know. If that happens, then you need to look deep into yourself and start aking alot of questions.

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack

Yo Cossack! Would definitely appreciate the tel# of the Russian Madame. Also, any info on how to approach her as a first time caller would be helpful. (kitetester@yahoo.com)

Same here, would appreciate her phone number. Thanks for the great info!

apgc@hotmail.com

Cossack,
I plan on visiting Istanbul for a few days!
Would definitely appreciate the tel# of the Russian Madame (to take the edge of!!).
(MarcoWSG366@hotmail.com)

I just returned from a 7 day stay in Istanbul, and I would like to tell you guys that it was GREAT. However, for those who are wishing to read this post to get info. on the escort/pro scene, this will not be that type of review.

Here is a little bit about me. I am very young (22), and American. I speak nothing except English and some Spanish. I went to Istanbul to meet a girl I have been corresponding with via the Internet, who is from Ukraine. We both had the time of our life together, but I must tell you some things I observed. Even with this girl by my side the entire stay in Istanbul (Beyazit area, near the fish restaurants and about 300 yards from the Marmara) when the Russian/Ukrainian women who heard me speaking with my girlfriend in English approached me asking me how I am, where I am from, and flirting VERY much. They did this right in front of her! I must admit we laughed about these many encounters later (and I must tell you I am by no means a very attractive guy, I just dress well, am very tall, young and speak English), but we were shocked at how forward some of these Russian women were.

I also must comment on a previous post by banana joe about the looks of Turkish women. The young Turkish women who were students that I saw in the street near the fish restaurants (a GREAT experience you must go to in Turkey, I recommend Cemal Restaurant) were EXTREMELY good looking. Yes there were many poor Turkish women on the street, and near the water of the Marmara, but there are poor people who do not look nice in every country, not just Turkey. I must also apologize to those whom I had been corresponding on this board with prior to me visiting Istanbul. Although the majority of the people looked at me like I was an alien (being 200cm tall and American), every single Turkish person I spoke with treated me with great respect, and was very nice and helpful if I had a problem. I also treated them with great respect as well though, I might add.

About the fish markets, and shopping in many of the clothing stores with my girlfriend (this is where many of the Russian women on holiday approached me, in clothing stores). I have never seen so many beautiful women in my entire life. I must admit, I have never been anywhere but the USA, Canada and Mexico, but these women were wonderful. I could have sat in the Grand Baazar for hours just watching the good looking women walk by. I am glad that I did not need to because I had one of these wonderful women on my arm :)

I must tell all of my fellow Americans who fear visiting Turkey because it is so close to the middle east to rest your fears, it is a wonderful place, with VERY nice people. The food is great, but I do not recommend Raki! It tastes very similar to "Jaegermeister"; like black licorice candy.

I must also STRONGLY recommend to change your US dollars to Turkish Lira if you are going to go shopping, or dining out. I am sure US dollars are what pro's would want for their services, but if you flash US Dollars on the street to any vendor, you are going to get SCREWED. Also, try and learn some BASIC Russian. Every street vendor/shop owner/restaurant manager I met knew basic to moderate English, fluent Turkish, and moderate to fluent Russian. If you ask them how much something is in Russian, you will get such a better price than if you spoke to them in English. You can almost see their eyes light up when you speak to a vendor in English.

I must say that my trip to Istanbul showed me a whole new world, and also introduced me to the most beautiful women (Russian/Ukrainian) I have ever seen in my entire life. Just remember not to drink the water unless it is bottled! It also has gained me a fiance. :) I have been in contact with this girl for over a year and this is the first time we met. I proposed to her with a band of Turkish men playing great Russian music, and eating a good meal in a restaurant in the Beyazit area.

I will be going back very soon with my fiance I am sure. If anyone has any questions (non-pro related), you can email me at [email]mastablue@hotmail.com[/email].


-USAROCKS

Cossack,
my experiance in istanbul tells me your info of the istanbul scene is right on the money.
i go their evry 6 weeks, and i stay in an Atakoy **** hotel usualy, i am prety sure you know which one.
My question to you is regarding the demirkoy Hotel, is this the one that is right on the highway to the seaside of the street, between atakoy and yeshilkoy??? it is built like a spread out motel type, has gates that one has to go trough before you get to the reception?
I went their looking for a disco a couple of weeks ago with a female companion, and i was told it was a simple restaurant. and that it was empty at twelve.
please e mail me some more info about the demirkoy hotel and its club, and the regarding the madam you mentioned, does she work out of Aksaray??
if you need any info on exclissive Atacoy hign end escorts, may be i can help you with that.

gabnal@hotmail.com

usarocks,
i'm not against turkish people or turkish girls in particular.
Yes, you can find some good looking girls in turkey, but on average you have to agree with me that ukrainan/russian girls are much better - I restate - ON AVERAGE.

And I have to agree that turks are very kind and helpful people, excluding those trying to sell you something :-)

I'm italian, and many yankee think that italian girls are very good looking. I think they're average.
But from an american standpoint I can understand that a turkish girl could be rated good looking and an italian one very good looking ... after all, you have to deal with big fat femminist asses in your country :-)
It's like eating pizza: an average pizza in italy is something an american in drooling for. But on the other side, an average SUV for you is a BIG car for me :-)
Ratings for everything changes changing the country.

But a good looking ukrainan girl is gorgeous babe no matter where you come from! And they're damn hot in the sack!



Happy hunting,
Banana Joe

Cossack

Hi Cossack, I will be in Istanbul for a weekend latter this month.

Would be great if you could let me have the telephone number of the Russian Madame.

If anybody alse has similiar phone numbers, i would appreciate that too.



Many thanks in advance.

please email wsg_1000@yahoo.co.uk

Hi Cossack
Seems to be necessary to pull a number - would also like to get that Russian Madam's tel.nr as I am frequently in Istanbul ;)
Or if anybody else already got email with the number - appreciate if you can forward the number to me.
My email : rene444@swirve.com

Have followed that discussion about which one is nicer - Ukrainian or Turkish. Guys, everything in between 6-10 is OK, it is also the quality of the action not only the looks right?
Let's stay focused on that!

Enjoy it!

Hey All! Sorry been out of town for a bit, and just logged in to see what was going on. I see a lot of people on the board want the lady’s #. I am kind of worried that some of you good folks might be piglets in a punters skin, and that I might be killing my golden egg laying goose. I propose that we conduct a poll, and if majority you fellows on the board agree, then I will take the time to get that # to ALL of you.

usarocks…you now see that istanbulrocks too. I was out of town when you were here, but I am glad you had a good time!

gabnal…there are a few hotels there, you want the one that is on the exit off the seacoast road when you go into the Galleria shopping center. When you are exiting, look directly to your right, you will see a fountain w/2 dolphins in it, and a little further ahead, you will see the gates to the place. If you take a cab, they all know where it is. I was there on Saturday, and boy it was rockin’!!! And no the lady does not work out of Aksaray, but most of her girls live in Atakoy and surroundings. I’ll email you soon for that info.

CELLO… too right, if she looks good, and is great in bed, who cares where she’s from.

Mario…where are you buddy, I hope she didn’t break your heart that bad that you have stopped being one of us.

And last but not least, if so many of you dudes are coming to Istanbul so regularly, how come no one is posting anything. Let us know, the good, the bad, and the uglies.

That’s all for now

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack

DEAD BOARD WARNING!!!

What up fellas....I hope you are all too busy mongering!

Hi Cossak
You Prtomissed me an e mail with the number of that madam. i wonder if i will ever get it.
i will be leaving for istanbul on the 26th of August, and i will be staying in the tower hotel across from the galleria. as you explained it, the Demirkoy should be a walking distance from their. i will try it. and post my findings.
I had a sick idea the other day, and i think you would appreciate it.
The muslims of this world have a pilgrimage route between the holy cities, and the christians have their own that end up in Jerusalem. And the sick bastards like us, who are in love with the female race as a whole, should have a pilgrimage route that starts in Saint Petersbourg, then Moscow, Minsk, Kiev, Kishinev, Odessa, and ends in Istanbul. I wonder if their is a man alive that could sustain the hardships of this route.....

I will be waiting for your e-mail gabnal@hotmail.com

Gabnal, it's in the mail. Use it wisely, and be nice!

Your idea is not as sick as you think dude. Last summer, I went on a Black Sea tour with a few buddies. We loaded up our Jeeps (CJs - 4 total), and drove from Istanbul, to Bulgaria, up to Romania, across to Moldovia, Ukraine, Crimea, and then ferry boat down to Turkey. 3 weeks of whoring on the road. We used all the info on the various sections of this board to plan the pit stops, and all I can say is that we are planning to do it again next spring!! And you are right, I went on a weeks vacation to recover after I got back, unfortunately, I went to Cyprus, and didn't really recover fully. When we plan to do the tour again, I will inform you all, and those with stamina are more than welcome to join.

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride.

Cossack

Well done, Cossack!

But now you HAVE TO write a detailed travel report for all of us: you can't hint only, you have to tell us the whole story ... we are eager of new *****mongering's tales! :-)

Happy hunting,
Banana Joe

Some info about Seranda Hotel:

I checked it out myself. It is clean and safe. I have been there four times. Don't get scared when you see people dressed like police when you approach to the hotel. Those are private security.
They were charging a 13M (~$8) cover to enter to the disco. Action starts around 11pm. But it is ugly. All these girls are dancing on a little dance floor and you are supposed to approach them and bargain. You are not really allowed dance. It is a real market. Well, that's the way it works there. All girls ask for $100 for an all-nighter. 100 M (~$60) for three times and so on. A lot of Romanian girls, whom I definitely NOT recommend. Girsl fuck with you in the hotel upstairs, which costs 40M (~$25), and go downstairs to pick up new customers. So, if you go there late, you will get 2nd hand pussy. On my first night, the Romanian girl for reason liked me, and she stayed with me the whole night. we fucked at least five, and it was a GF experience. She kissed, gave me a BJ etc. Later on I had two other Romanians who were completely disappointing. They were just lying in the bed and waiting for me to come. Later on a I had a Russian beauty, she gave a good service. Romanians usually don't give BJs and don't do anal sex. Stick to Russians. In general, this place is a safe and clean place to have paid sex, but the girls suck in my opinion. Enjoy Istanbul!

My last night at Bacardi..............

Guys ,i have been several times to this club before.But last time
when i got Bacardi club few days ago,the only thing that i saw was a heaven..
My former place Club 2000 was really empty and i decided to walk
a little to Bacardi Club. There were at least 100 girls who was more beatiful from each other.
But price that they asked was a little bit higher than other girls
from different clubs.i think it is a kind of "girl's syndicate"..
But all the girls were bests in istanbul's night life.
try Bacardi you will not regret....
let me know if you enjoyed...
stockbroker.

I will be staying in the Bebek section of Istanbul in October. Are any of the clubs, like Bacardi or Seranda Hotel nearby? Do these clubs have Latinas? The last time I was in Turkey I was diasppointed with the qulaity of sex from the Eastern European girls. Many are very pretty but do not seem to have the sexual skills as the Asians and Latinas.

I have been on a short break in Istanbul in August 02, my first trip to Turkey. Having taken the advise from previous postings on this site, I feel that I should add my experiences here too so that future travellers can benefit from them.

I know this is long report but I have tried to think of every possible detail (save a few exceptions) that a potential reader may have. {My first draft was even longer !!!!)

Day 1:

I arrived very late on Friday night (around 11.00 pm). I had to pay €15.00 (£10.00) entry visa. My hotel was on the European side close to the main pedestrianised road called Istiklal Caddesi, not far from the Euro Plaza, which someone has mentioned on the WSG before. The fare was about 24million lira and I paid the driver 30million and the journey took about 30mins.

As I was checking in to my hotel I asked the guy at the front desk if it was OK to bring overnight guests to the room. He said it was OK, but I had already prepaid/booked a double-I don’t know what the answer would have been had I been in a single/rated room.

I washed/showered and then changed into a pair of ordinary blue Levis and white shirt with black shoes (for those of you that want to know about dress code {or as it turned out, there isn’t one}) and slapped on some after-shave/cologne and headed out.

It was now 1.30-2.00am ‘ish and I stepped outside of my hotel and looked at the row of cabs outside. I approached an oldish/skinny looking driver figuring that a young /mean looking one would be more likely to rip-me off. I asked him if he spoke English (I speak no Turkish other than some basic phrases “Yes”, “No”, “How much”…etc) he said no. I said you know Seranda Hotel ?, he shook his head, I then said Aksaray meaning just take me across the water to the old city. I thought I would take this cab to Aksaray and then swap into another cab for Serenda Hotel when in the area.

The driver got the directions and after a few poorly light back streets we were at the bottom of the road that the Hotel is on. I paid the driver I think about 10-15mill (my mind was a bit of a blur with nerves). At the top of this dead-end road on the left-hand side is the Hotel with the words Serenda Hotel written in white on a blue neon background. A smaller similar sign underneath it says Serenda Disco. There was a set of steps at the top of the road next to the hotel. The road was pretty busy with traffic, parked taxis and people coming and going. I did not feel uncomfortable walking up the street towards the sign. I made an attempt to look as though I was walking with purpose so avoided eye contact with most people on the street.

Under the disco sign is the entrance to the club. I walked through the entrance and at the top there was one guy in his 50’s seated at a cash register/till and a couple of young uniformed security guys. A sign on the wall says in English 15 million.

It was now around 2.30am I guess. I paid 15 million and showed my passport, they all paused and looked at me a second. I was frisked by a uniformed security guy whom then called a waiter out whom then led me into the club/bar.

99 % of the guys inside where Turks ! For some reason I had imagined that the majority would be tourists like myself from Western Europe or North America. (By they way these guys were there like me for the girls, not to drink or get drunk, fight or rob people - they did not give me a second glance and I felt very comfortable and melted into the background - I am from the UK but my ethnic background is from the Indian Sub-Continent. There were a couple of white guys inside though having a great time, however I did not see any Black or Oriental looking guys though, but I can’t imagine they would have any problems though.).

The waiter showed me to a table. I asked do you speak English? He shook his head and called another that did. He asked what would you like and I replied how much is a coke. He said it was included in the entrance price. He came back to my table with a small glass of coke and two small plates of fruit and peanuts also included in the 15mill fee.

The place is pretty small. A 5m long bar along one wall and a dance floor measuring 5m by 7m along the wall opposite with tables and chairs everywhere else and about 7 or 8 waiters inside plus a DJ on the turntables in the corner near the entrance to the toilets.

I sat looking at that dance floor and there were about 10-20 girls dancing with guys and the dance floor was packed. There were also some girls sitting at tables in groups of 2 and 3. Also you must remember that that there will probably a dozen or so girls already in the bedrooms as well at any given time.

Rule 1. You must not change the table that your are shown to when you enter the club. After my first coke I went and sat at another table closer to the dance floor and a waiter promptly came over and asked me to go back to my original table. Which I did.

Rule 2. You must not talk to any of the girls that are seated or as they walk around the bar/ to or from the toilet. I did this and a waiter shouted at me.

Rule 3. ALL propositioning is to be done on the dance floor. You see a girl you like wait till she is on the floor, you then go to the floor and just ask “How much ?” You see girls moving about the floor from guy to guy and each guy asking her stuff. Just wait till she catches your eye and then ask. On my first night I found it difficult to come out with the words “How much” straight off so like an idiot I asked “Are you alone?” … blah blah blah and things like that and the girls smiled at me thinking first timer !

All girls quoted the same numbers; the rate is 50mill TL for 1 hour or US$100 for the night. 9 out 10 of them are gorgeous with the odd fat/old one thrown in for good measure. Just ignore them if they look at you. The girls are aged 18 to 22 I would say and most are dressed as girls that age would do to go for a night out on the town. Some in tight jeans other in tight trousers others in short low cuts tops and the odd one or two in evening dresses. I think most of them are Romanian or Moldavian. I did not encounter any Turkish or Russian girls (but I did not speak to all of them). They do not look like pro’s more amateurs to me.

I met this great Romanian girl and was quoted the prices as above and I said one hour. She said follow me (most speak a little English) and walked off the dance floor towards the exit a metre or two behind her (AGAIN I DID NOT TALK TO HER WHILST WE WERE OFF THE FLOOR IN THE CLUB). Through the exit (the same one you enter through) is another door (next to the guy at the cash till) that leads directly to the front desk of the hotel. The girl then hands you her id/passport and goes to and waits on some leather couches in the foyer whilst you wait at the front desk. I asked how much for the room the guy said 40mill (they all spoke English at the front desk). He took both passports and asked me to sign a form and gave a set of keys to the bell-boy (not so young in his 40’s maybe) the girl comes back and the three of us go up in a lift to the room. The guy goes in turns on the TV shows you the fridge and then waits for a tip. I gave him 5million and he then left. The girl then whispers to me “preservative”(condom in Turkish) and I shook my head to mean I have none. (Tip: Bring your own if you want save on the cost/hassle and keep contact with hotel staff to an absolute minimum) She then goes to the door and calls him back and says something to him. She closes the door and a few minutes later another guy knocks on the door. I showed him two fingers J and he gave me the two condoms and he showed me three fingers J I gave him 5mill he smiled and walked off. I didn’t plan to do it twice in 1 hr, but wanted a spare in case 1 condom broke or something.

The girls are very friendly but treat them well. Don’t jump on them as soon as the door closes be gentle (follow the advise of previous postings) ask their name, if they are hungry, where they are from…etc. The fridge in each room contains one coke, one fanta and one bottled water (included in the 40mill for the room-I think) offer her something, you’ve already paid for it ! Think about it, most of the guys in the club are locals, perhaps they don’t tip or haggle the price down further …etc (and as one girl told me they all do it like “ like a dog and car” - (not quite ‘Cockney Rhyming Slang’ - for the Londoners J) by dog she meant doggy-style and by car she meant fast!!), tip her 10-20mill TL & be nice to her and you will stand out head and shoulders above the other guys and get a better level of service.

However, who does not like doggy-style? I know that I do !!

All services are available, oral, anal (bring your own lubricant if you don’t want to spend your time struggling to penetrate her), kissing, fucking with no condom, if that is your cup of tea. (BUT AGREE THE SERVICE YOU WANT ON THE DANCE FLOOR FIRST). But obviously this depends also on how attractive or unattractive you make look to her and if you can develop some sort of rapport in the short space if time.

We did the deed, she was exceptional, she had a shower and we then went downstairs to the front desk where I collect both passports and then back into the disco. The girl has to pay to get back in, I was about to pay as well too (seeing her do it) when the security guy shook his head to stop me and just opened the door to let me back in.

When inside DON’T TALK TO HER AGAIN EXCEPT ON THE DANCE FLOOR. I took up my old seat and ordered coke from the same waiter, 4mill and the bill was presented at the same time. I gave him a 10mill note and he came back with a 6mill I gestured to him to keep it and he seemed delight. This is the best thing to do. Tip him 5-6 mill (think about it, it’s worth very little in £, $ or €’s) and he will look after you and offer you a better seat…etc on the second or third night…etc, consider it an investment. Perhaps you can prise from him nuggets of useful information about the local scene.

I then went to the toilet and outside the toilet sits an old women with a bottle of some type of hand lotion. After using the toilet on exiting it you should pay her. After my first trip to the toilet I came out looked at her shook my head to mean I did not want it and walked off. She seemed to get annoyed and I did not understand why. On the second trip to the gents a Turkish guy was exiting the gents before me and I watched him pay what looked like 3mill to the women (I now know it was probably around 300k lira - too many zeros in the currency for me). Anyway, I put 5mill on the table and walked off without taking any lotion. You are paying to use the toilet not for the lotion, that’s why she got annoyed the first time.

CAN SOMEONE ANSWER ME A QUESTION? THE WOMEN WITH THESE BOTTLES, DO THEY ONLY SIT OUTSIDE TOILETS IN CLUBS WHERE THERE IS SEX ON THE MENU OR DO YOU ALSO FIND THEM OUTSIDE THE TOILETS IN “NORMAL CLUBS/BARS?”

I then picked a second girl and wanted her for the whole night US$100 and to come to my hotel. She would not agree to come to my hotel (neither would the first girl that I had - taking her out for the night would have been my first choice). So we headed to the front desk, the guy asked me how long I wanted the room for I said all night he said I could only have around 90minutes as they were busy, I said ok and asked if I could pay in US$ (I had ran out of lira’s). I gave him $40 and both sets of passports/id and he gave me change in lira’s taking the equivalent of 40mill TL. Then same routine with the bellboy and condom vender.

In the room I told the girl we could only have the room for 90 mins and I agreed to pay her $40 she said ok. We did the deed and I gave her a $20 tip she was ecstatic with the tip. Again, treat her nicely and YOU WILL FEEL THE DIFFERENCE. She then offered to spend the following daytime with me and stay at my hotel all night for $160. Because I had plans to meet local friends during daylight hours I said I could not but I would pick her up at the club that evening for an all nighter at my place.

We went downstairs collected the id’s she went into the disco I went outside, flagged one of the many cabs 4.30 am ‘ish and went to my hotel on the European side cost 10mill I think.

Some tips. All the girls I asked said no to coming to my place, with hindsight I think when they have slept with you one night they may be more willing to go with you the second night. Or perhaps it was because my hotel was one on the Euro side or one that they were not familiar with

CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT FOR ME ON THIS ?

One girl said to me that if they use a hotel other than Serenda for the deed the management of Serenda don’t let them work the disco again and for that reason they don’t like to go to the other hotels. Most live in other hotels close by and just work the Serenda disco. Also as these girls are illegal aliens or on holiday visas they don’t venture out of the Aksaray area much even in the daytime (to avoid the police) and often have not heard of any of the larger hotels on the Euro side or even the tourist attractions in the Old city and Euro side, Blue Mosque, Aya Sofia, Dolmabache Palace…etc !!!!

Also one Romanian girl I spoke to said that there is a stigma attached to giving blowjobs and for that reason they do not offer this readily. Of the three girls I had during my stay only one gave oral. One girl that did not do oral, on the second time that I went with her, asked me if I found a girl that did oral I said yes and she seemed shocked! and said that, that girl would be an outcast if the other girls found out that oral had been done. I made her agree to not say anything (as she knew who the second girl was as I bumped into her when taking that second girl upstairs). How bizarre, oral is not offered readily but anal and condomless sex is ???

Day 2. I was feeling more confident and braver about the Istanbul nightlife and wanted to try the Chicago2000 and the Bacardi Club. Grabbed a cab near Taksim Square, young skinny driver maybe 20 years old spoke very little English nodded when asked Chicago2000 Aksaray? Took me to the area and pointed up at some building I got out of the cab and looked up but could not she the place. I did not want to walk around looking lost so I flagged another cab and said Bacardi club, he nodded I said how much ? He then showed me 1 finger to mean 1mill. As soon as I got in, he turned around and showed me three fingers. I protested (not too strongly) and thought fuck it I’m not gonna argue over 2mill lira, less than pocket change < £1.00 !! Besides he was a big ‘n’ beefy chap.

Bacardi was very close. Small sign outside and staircase leading down to the club. Security frisked me, no entrance fee charged. Maybe he thought I was Turkish ?? I thought an entrance fee was charged ?? or perhaps I do not recall the previous postings here correctly.

Waiter showed me to a seat at the bar (time now around 12.00am) This place is much larger. 15-20 girls on the dance floor a couple of guys dancing amongst them to get a better look, a further 20-25 girls sitting drinking and single guys, pairs of guys.etc sitting drinking and looking around too.

I was wary of being ripped off because of previous postings here on the board, & asked the price of a coke. Waiter spoke little English and wrote the number twelve on a napkin. (Tip: Take a pen and piece of paper with you when hunting, useful also for communicating a price with the girls too. Can you count to a 100 in Turkish ? I can’t and neither can a lot of the girls.). He bought the coke and the standard plate of fruit...etc I pulled out 15mill (this time a had a pocket full 5’s and 10’s (in addition to the main store of cash and $’s safely in my wallet in my front pocket (was dressed the same as at Serenda - for those wanting to know about the dress code. Don’t wear a collar and tie…etc you will single yourself out, perhaps for higher prices. Ther were maybe 15-20 men inside and only 1 or 2 wearing a collar and tie.) He seemed annoyed, wondered off and came back with a bill. I gave him 15mill and gestured to keep the rest. As the place is bigger and dimly lighted I could not see the girls clearly. I tried to strike up a conversation with the waiter in a mix of English and Turkish. I learned that it is around $100-$200 for the girl for the night, I guess it depends on the girl you take a fancy to and how good looking or plain you maybe yourself and this rapport factor. He asked me if I wanted a girl and I said I wanted a better look at the girls before deciding, remember that some of the girls are seated and so until they get up and dance you can’t really see all the girls that are available for you that night.

99% of the girls in this place were all dressed in dresses (unlike Serenda) again all late teens early twenties and gorgeous. 99% Turkish guys in there, again I felt very comfortable, all the guys looking at the girls, nobody loud or drunk. Same rules as before. You don’t move seats once you’re given one (unless the waiter moves you) and you don’t talk to the girls off the floor unless I think the waiter brings her to you (at your request).

At this point a Turkish guy was shown to a chair next to me and after he got his drink etc he said something to me in Turkish, I said Ingilize? He said yes and we struck up a conversation. He had lived and worked in the UK and Germany. I asked him what the set up here is and if he had been here before. He said he came before but was worried out being ripped off so left with out a girl.

I ordered a second coke and when the coke arrived I pulled out 15mill and wanted to pay, the waiter wrote 5mill on the napkin and seemed a little annoyed. I think what they want is for you to pay the tab at the end when you leave with a girl (unlike Serenda where it is pay-as-you-drink.). This guy then asked in Turkish to the waiter if we could have seats closer to the floor, the waiter said that the place was busy and most seats taken, which I could see was correct. The waiter told him that we should not wait too long as all the best girls would be gone, this was true also.

We went over to the dance floor boogied for 5 minutes taking a closer look at the girls. 11 out of 10 for looks but did not speak to any of them.

My new friend said that he thinks the waiters act like a go between, you pick the girl He calls her, to sit next to you, you strike a deal, pay him 10mil (a guess) and your tab and take the girl.

We never found out because we never closed the deal. I told him that I went to Serenda the night before and he said he wanted me to take him there. I felt OK with this guy as we are both in the same profession and he knew too much technical stuff about the profession to be trying to con me. I was very glad to have someone with me that spoke fluent Turkish. We paid the bills and left.

(((The main reason why I had left was that I was thinking about the girl from the night before and wanted to take her to my place for an all-nighter. Better the devil you know I guess. She really was amazing in bed, on the floor, against the wall, in the shower…. etc use you imaginations. I felt OK in Bacardi club and on another visit there, would certainly close a deal. I did not get any feeling that I would be ripped at all, but I suspect if a rip-off did occur it most probably occur when the girl is seated with you, costly Champagne…etc.))) !!

We got outside took a right and after I think about 10 or 20 yards right again (on what I believe is Namik Kemel Caddesi, walked up the road and asked for directions. The two places are about a 1-minute walk apart. It was 100 yards further up Namik Kemel Cad down a road on the left hand side, perpendicular. From the bottom of the road I could see the blue and white Serenda sign.

We went in and the waiter I had tipped a few times the night before warmly greeted me with a handshake. He showed us to a good table with a decent view of the floor. We very nearly didn’t get in, the guy at the cash/till said they were full or the hotel was full up (Saturday night), but my new Turkish friend managed to persuade him and we got in (no more cash was paid for this), I think they were genuinely busy.

I explained to my new friend the set-up here, we had a drink together and he danced a bit and left with his chosen one. I did not see him again and sadly I did not get his email address, but I did tell him about the WSG. So if you are reading… HELLO !!!

I sat around looking for this girl that agreed to an all-nighter with me the previous evening but could not spot her. I went to the floor a while and then picked another girl (Moldavian) for an hour and went through the same routine at the front desk. This girl performed a BBBJ. But I asked her if “sucks” (which I gather is the term they use for a BJ), whilst on the dance floor to which she smiled and said she’ll decide when we are in the room. (I don’t think she would have said yes in front of the other girls dancing very close by)

PERHAPS THIS IS JUST MY OWN SMALL EXPERIENCE-CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS NO ORAL BUSINESS FOR ME?

CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WOULD IT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO PAY 40MILL FOR THE ROOM ONCE AND THEN USE IT A FEW TIMES WITH DIFERENT GIRLS MAKING TRIPS DOWN TO THE BAR ? OR DID I NEEDLESSLY PAY THE 40MILL TWICE ON MY FIRST EVENING THERE?

We had a pre-sex shower together (showering together is nice and a good way to ensure you don’t leave your wallet unattended with her - though she was harmless in that respect and I did not feel uncomfortable for 1 minute) and then some fantastic sex in many positions I did not think physically possible!! I think I tipped her 10-20mill I think, I can’t recall. I went down stairs collected the ID’s, she went back to the disco, and I grabbed a cab to my hotel.

Day 3: At around 6.00 pm I grabbed a cab and asked if he spoke English he shook his head. I said Club Nadide Nisantasi he shook his head. I said Nisantasi he said yes and I got in. When in Nisantasi he stopped got out and asked for directions to Nadide.

Small brown/gold hand painted/printed sign saying Nadide & Enjoy outside, went up small flight of steps and range the bell. A madam type woman answered the door. I smiled said Merhaba! and walked in and said Ingilize? And we started to talk. I guess this is the English speaking “*****” type person a previous posting talks about. I think the secret is to be relaxed smile and be polite.

I asked what girls where available and there were 5. They were all Turkish and not very good locking (perhaps because this was Sunday evening). The madam took me to side room where she quizzed me a little (I guess trying to decide if I am the “Polis”). She asked my name, which country I am from…etc to which I smiled and answered trying to put her at ease. She said that either I could pick the girl or if I told her what I was after she could advise on which girl would best suite my particular cravings. In the end I picked the one that I thought was best looking (without telling the madam what I wanted-with hindsight I guess I should have, I should not have been shy to say sex, bj, ….etc). Payment was made to this madame at this point, whom kept saying (rightly) that I would pay no more in the room.

Anyway was shown to a massage room and the girl entered, she gestured to a wardrobe and slippers and also to another room across the corridor and said “douce” (sp?) meaning shower and left. I got undressed and I walked into the shower. She then came and closed the door to the massage room and there was a key in the keyhole. She locked the massage room and handed me the key and walked back to the reception/waiting area. I had a shower and went back the massage room unlocking it myself. She came in, I got on the massage bench and she proceeded to massage me and as she did so we tried to talk, a bit of Turkish and a bit of English. After about ten minutes or so she gestured to me to turn over and massaged my legs (I had a towel still around my waist). After a while she pulled off the towel & pointed to my **** and nodded at me. I laughed and said Evet!, she performed a BBBJ but would not take off her clothes, only hitching up her skirt. She only let me feel her breasts, legs and arse. I asked for sex she said no. I didn’t really feel turned on (though the BBBJ was OK and but the hand job a bit harsh on my **** !) I gestured to her to stop after about 10 minutes and got off the bench and gestured that I was not going to climax. She left and I got dressed.

The madam then came back and asked what was wrong, I said the girl was fine but I was just not aroused enough. I finished getting dressed and headed to the reception/waiting area where the madam approached me again. She then said to me that I could have the mobile phone number of the girl if I wanted. I said that this was my penultimate day in Istanbul and I declined the offer of the number and left. Had I been in town for a few more days I would have visited again at a more busy time or taken the girls number.

I walked back to my hotel, having a good look at Nisantasi. It is one of the better areas of Istanbul I think with lots of familiar Western European shops and Banks, even a Marks & Spencer’s of things!!

This being my last evening to go to Serenda, I thought this time I would go early. That night I got there at about 11.00pm. The entry fee written on the wall was 13mill this time, the Sunday rate? And also an all-nighter is till about 4 or 5 am what ever time you start. So for it to be worthwhile you will need to be in the hotel room with your girl as early as possible.

I was looking for the girl that offered to stay at my hotel but I could not spot here. After an hour or so I picked the Romanian girl from my first night and paid her $100 at the start plus $20 tip at the end for the night till 4.30 am. I paid a further 1mill lira at the front desk when collecting the passports for the phone calls she made whilst in the room to her so boyfriend…hmmm!. The room was still 40mill that night. This was the girl I saw twice, she was really beautiful. On this occasion we did nothing but talk, I was content just to look at her and touch her face.

TO MARIO: Sir, I know exactly what you mean about falling in Love. So warm, gentle, fragile, beautiful and kind. No less flesh and blood than you or I and certainly no less with feeling or emotion or hopes and dreams than you or I my friends. In another time and place I would have fallen head-over-heels and spent a lifetime chasing, wooing and romancing her. She is still swimming around in my mind.

I wish I had followed the advice not to see a girl twice.

I hate the f***ing pimps. Does that now make me a hypocrite? One exploiter’s distain for another? I wonder, who is worse the Punter or the Pimp.



On that night I noticed that all the girls where trying to catch my eye. Perhaps they had noticed that I had been there on three consecutive nights and had money to spend or perhaps the girls talk amongst themselves as to which guy pays how much and tips how much, what currency he uses and how he treats the girls or maybe simply because there weren’t so many guys in there on Sunday night. Who knows! Who cares!

Also my waiter friend from previous nights greeted me warmly again and showed me to a good table. I kept up the tips. On that night I developed quite a conversation with him. He told me about the places, towns, resorts he had worked and I told him a little bit about myself. If I visit Istanbul again and I go there I will ask for him by name. With hindsight what I should have done was quizzed him about similar establishments in the area-sadly I did not do this.

CAN ANYONE TELL ME ABOUT THIS - PUBLICLY OR PRIVATELY? VARIETY REALLY IS THE SPICE OF LIFE !!

Day 4:

My flight-out was in the late afternoon and I only had one thing left that I wanted to do. That was to see a genuine Turkish Brothel, Genelev. My hotel was about a 10-15 minute walk from the place. I know that postings here say they are disgusting but I just wanted to eyeball the place for myself.

Anyway I found the place in Zurafa Street (close to a Synagogue near the Galata Tower & Galata Bridge). One Turk walked in before me having flashed his id. I walked in next, speaking English; I said could I go in. The policeman at the gate said in broken English “Turk only” and he looked around nervously, there were a few Turkish guys queuing behind me. Needless to say I did not argue with him and I walked off. I think had there not been people behind me he may have asked me for a fee/tip and let me in, who knows.

Early afternoon checked out of hotel and went to the airport and back home………….

Prior to my trip, I was also planning to take in the Demirkoy Hotel on one night. I liked the idea of the Moroccan girls, but the last few postings about that on the board left me a little confused about its exact location and whether or not it is still a happening place and given that it’s quite a long way out to the airport (and to return having made a fruitless journey), I did not bother to go there.

In addition I would have tried the services of the Madam that was discussed in postings earlier had I managed to obtain the number. Hint Hint !

I may visit again at the end of September 2002 again for 3 or 4 days but will almost certainly have local female Turkish company, again. If I can get away in the evenings by myself , I will check things out again.

My email is wsg_1000@yahoo.co.uk

If anybody wants to ask any specific questions, though after the length of this posting, I suspect that I will not be asked many questions…just email me.

By the way during the daytime I was shown around the city by a couple of female Turkish friends I have that live in Istanbul, (needless to say they where not aware of my nocturnal activities). A truly beautiful city full of so much history, I loved it.

Turkish women are really very beautiful. If I had more time I would have spent time in the evenings in regular bars to meet regular girls.

Hey Bunnyhopper.....
i am glad to hear that you enjoyed istanbul...
if you dont want to pay the hotel for twice in a night,you better go there at day time and book a room for two nights..and keep the keys with you..(you can use it for two days along)
i am a little disapointed by your experience in Bacardi Club.
in Bacardi club the party starts at 01 am,so next time go there
at 12 ,and insist on seating a table near to dancefloor..tip him in advance..and wait for the best girl.They are freelancers,come and go...dont give a shit what waitress said.You never know who is coming..week days are better..weekends are busy..
Nowadays girls population is getting crowded because they are coming back from South of Turkey where they went to work and holliday.Augst is a dead season...by the october hunting season is opening.
i live in istanbul,dont hesitate ask everything about istanbul...
night life,historical places,restaurants or so..
good luck,bye..
stockbroker

To Stockbroker:

Hi there, i will be visiting istanbul in early November. If i'm not wrong, that corresponds to the low season in turkey. Will i have problems getting the girls in seranda hotel during that period?

Secondly, i will most likely be staying at royal hotel istanbul as i could not find any website for the seranda hotel, thus i could not make any reservation. Should i book single or double room if i'm going to bring the girls back to my hotel? Maybe i would book royal hotel only for the 1st night then try to stay at seranda for the rest of my visit there.

Thirdly, after reading some of the reports here, it seems that an all night with the girls translates to about them staying only until 5am. Will they stay until morning till about 10am?

Lastly, on a totally different topic, any good restuarants to recommend that won't rip me off?

Thanks in advance.
If you ever need advice on SIngapore, Malaysia or bangkok sex scene give me a ring and i'll return the favour.

Bunnyhopper ! Thanks for this detailed and great posting. I aggree with everything you said regarding Serenda.

1) Toilet women: You can find these women usually only in places with a hoocker scene. The bottle infront of her is filled with Turkish Cologne. You pay 4 using the toilet, 1 mio TL is more than enough.

2) I went to Serenda only twice. Both times the girls offered me "escort" for 24 hours for 100 USD but the following day.

3) BJ in Serenda: I was served well :-) both times I was there

I will be in Istanbul early october, so if that madames number or any same kind of numbers are available, I'll thank you.

My email is jari@zzn.zzn.com

Serenda is not a kind of hotel that you want to stay...poor service
and no located near to business centers..
till morning, means 5 am unless agreed 10 or so...

food in istanbul is an other subject...what do you like most to eat ?
bye
stockbroker

Cossack,
Are you still in Istanbul? I'm currently in Ankara and will be trying to get information on places to hit here, but wanted to get the latest from you on Istanbul. My work has be bouncing between Ankara, Istanbul, Izmir and Adana. I hope to truly flush out the WSG>Europe>Turkey forum before I'm done. E-mail me at paganslave@hotmail.com if your inclined.

wolfhound:

Check out my post from early August. It talks a bit about the food in Istanbul. Great city man, your going to love it. Most everyone I met speaks at least some English. It seems like Turkish, English and Russian are the most widely spoken languages in Istanbul.

Try the fish restaurants in the Beyazit area. Some are really great!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by paganslave
[i]Cossack,
Are you still in Istanbul? I'm currently in Ankara and will be trying to get information on places to hit here, but wanted to get the latest from you on Istanbul. My work has be bouncing between Ankara, Istanbul, Izmir and Adana. I hope to truly flush out the WSG>Europe>Turkey forum before I'm done. E-mail me at paganslave@hotmail.com if your inclined. [/i][/QUOTE]

paganslave,

have you been to the AFRODIT in Adana? I went there but was unable to hook up because the manager keep saying I had to for over 500 US for a Russian girl. I know no one is paying that.
There choice of girls there looks relly good but I am not paying that.
Stay away from the Genelev in Adana. No women under 90 years old! LOL

Tocsin,
They are scaming you! I went thee with a local friend about 3 months ago and prices were a fraction of that. I'll be back in Adana next month and I'll let you know what is up.

Hey guys,

Firstly I want to thank you all for posting all this great info.

I often now have to travel to Istanbul for business but unfortunately usually only for the day :-(((

Does anyone have either of two things:

1. There much discussed telephone number of the russian madam, I really hope t get to stay there sometime soon and would love a nice daytime and or evening visit.

2. Any details of daytime places, massage, escort, brothels (except the local government run hell hole)

Hi,

I often stay in Istanbul, unfortunately only daytime in the Crown Plaza hotel. Any recommendations of any 'erotic sauna - massage' services in this area or alternatives this time of the day..?

Thanks..E.

paganslave,

I thought they were trying to scam me... that's why I didn't get one of the girls. I almost stayed at the hotel there but passed when they quoted the rates for girls. Let me know what the deal is so that the next time I am in Adana I'll know what to do.
ALso, when the weather is warm, I know they have girls hanging out at their pool. The same goes for the pool at the Hotel Seyhan. Now, at the Seyhan, I don't know what the deal is regarding those girls but I believe that there is a possibility for action. I had stayed at the Seyhan in July and went to the pool. One of the busboys was yelling at me not to go since "no girls were there." Iwas actually going to the pool to swim. ANyway, any news about the action in Adana would be appreciated.
Again, I reiterate... stay away from the Genelev in Adana unless you like really old and baggy looking women.
Peace

Hiya all, you Istanbul pussy hunters, I have just this week arrived in Istanbul on a yacht for a winter refit and my Crew and I are looking for some fun and games in Istanbul, anyone with good suggestions of how to make the next 4 months more enjoyable I would love to hear from you.
Stockbroker, I would like to get hold of you as you say you live here and know the ropes. well looking froward to feedback.

Regards,

Alex, I hope you won't mind me adding your thoughts to the WSG. They are great tidbits.


I have enjoyed the WSG reports so much since I am a frequent visitor to Istanbul. I had a turkish girlfriend for almost two years I met her in Dubai and ever since we arrange to meet in Istanbul and have fun for about two weeks every other 4 months, then we brok up last year since then I benfited from the forum a lot

so I visited Serenda Club which is in Aksaray area not very far from the big intersection there it is to the right if you are heading towards the airport from Taksim, the situation there as explaind in the forum except the fees is 12mil TL it is off season the dance floor(Maidan) is full this time at 1:00 am and you cannot see the girls perfectly because of the crowd but the best thing is to take a good table overlooking the floor until you find the one fit your desire and go a head and ask her how much and all the details.

by the way one person cannot sit alone on these table you have to share it with another two which mostly going to be turkish boys . after picking the girl the mood at the reception is normal as if you are lineing up at the post office your and her IDs and 40mil TL for the room most girls have condoms and as soon as you get into the room the girl takes off her clothes and the push you to make it quick so they can go a gain for another customer I have tried last night for a one hour session which cost 50milTL plus another 20 as a tip. after you are done you give the keys and that is it.

Rgarding massage place in Nadide, I had me to find it and not every taxi driver knows it even if you pick the taxi from Nisnatsi area the address there is Nadid & Enjoy , Valikonagi Cad. Akkavak Sk. No:16
apt # 2 tel :212-2416283 or 2417582.
after nocking the door at the second floor a girl opens the door and search you for weapon with a smile and if you speak english the manager who is a lady in her 40s will speak to you. after having a tea at this loung while you cheking the girls available if you do not like what you see you can tell her that you will wait for the others inside customers rooms may be you like them better, the charge for the massage is 100mil TL which is far from calling it a massage it is sensual touching and the girl will offer you a BJ for 20 or BJ and a quick fuck for 50 mil.
and she will cover the window on your door so want be noticed because if the police cathes them doing sex it is a huge fine , later you can have the girl mobile # or the manager No and she can send you the girl at your hotel if the price is right. all girls are turkish which are usually if they have a good face means no good body but if she have a good boobs or big ass then her face could be ugly so make your choice.

tonight I will be going to the Demirkoy hotel in Artakoy near the airport to check some Natasha girls there.
so please if you have some info to exchang about the scene her in Istanbul pleae let me know especially escort service or the Russian madam which they have talking about all over the forum.
Thanks a lot/

yours: Alex

I'll be back to Istanbul from Ankara in a couple of weeks to ad stories to the forum. Until then, keep hunting men!

I will be in Istanbul this weekend. Is the "Demirköy Hotel" found at the following address?

Demirköy Hotel
Sahilyolu 2 Kisim
Ataköy-Istanbul

Please advise

If you really want to meet beautiful Turkish women for sex go to Ist.. no go to Germany, yes Germany!!! Deutschland!!! There are many beautiful Turkish women in Germany, and you will find many at local FKK clubs.

Dear paganslave
this is Alex thanks for posting my remarks now I am a regýstered user I can post my messages myself anyway excuse my wrýtýng because the keyboards ýn Turkey have no dot ýn top of the I so my message to you ýs to gýve me more ýnfo regardýng Istanbul
I thýng Serenda Otel could be called Istanbul *****s for dummýes
cause you do not need any trýcks or ýntellegence to pýck up a gýrl
just ask and off you go.
my advýce after couple of pýck ups:
Do's :
1- look for the ýnocent ones and unproffesýtonal .
2- some týme you have to compromýse character and the look cause you may lýke her look but ýn bed she ýs shýt .
3-try to pýck up girls from eastern euorp who are unlýke local ones
do not to make any trouble because they are (Yabangý) .
4- when you are in the room wýth girl and she does not start wthe give me the money and would not mind talking a little she ýs OK go a head.
5- ýf you like the girl and would like to see her again gýve her extra and you may discusse with her coming to your hotel or better escort on agreeable price.
6- when you decide to have a girl for escort or a long perýod try to check wýth her into a new hotel as if she is your copanýon (Khanom) and would not thýnk she ýs a Pro. and ask her to avoýde flashy clothýng whých indýcate she is a whor .

Dont's :
1- pick up local *****s from places lýke Serenda cause they must be professýonal and must be old or dývorced wýth kýds and you wýll hate yourself afterwards
2-ýf you are faced wýth the situatýon where the gýrl ask you to hurry and as for the money as soon as you are in the room it is better for you to give little money and say I change my mýnd cause you wýll regret ýt and loose your money.
3- if you are a guy like me does not want to be dýspoýnted wýth every trýal it is better to pýck the gýrl you lýke and it is a lot cheaper to pay her for escort and go wýth her to a resort area lýke bodrum or antalya or even the ones not far from Istanbul lýke Borsa. anyway I have to go now I wýll contýnue later and I have more ýnfo about Antalya ýf some one is interested.

Does the silencium has anything to do with results of the elections. Welcome Mr. Erdogan, bye bye to mongering hookers :) Just kidding..

Local Turks! Come on! Don't let this section die...

hi istanbulers

i will be in istanbul at the end of this month.

would be great if you could let me know the telephone number of the russian madame. (does she speeks english ???)

if anybody alse has similiar phone numbers, i would appreciate that too.

many thanks in advance to help me.

please email: kaiheinrichs@aol.com

Any ideas as to where you can get some daytime activity in Istanbul? I have been to Nadine massage and was not impressed with the talent or service.

[blue]Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

I guess yours should be deleted as well. No need for hatred in this discussion board.

Hi Hedonist,

Can you tell something more about your trip in Istanbul, you ever tried other massage service or escort service?

hi Cossack,

I'm going to be at the Ceylan Intercontinental 2nd and 3rd Dec. I really like the idea of the escort from the russian madam visiting me. Can you send phone number to my email nigel.west@nwest2.fsnet.co.uk.

Do you or nayone else have any further ideas. Looking for whole night sessions in hotel.

Many thanks

I recently traveled to Istanbul and found that quite a few hotels do not let girls visit you in the room. Does anyone know of hotels in Istanbul that does not have this policy. Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Butthead,

My guess is that only the middle class hotels would give you trouble about that. The lower class ones would let anyone into your room once you tip the guys at the front counter. Of course you have to have style, you shouldn't make them feel like pimps. And the upper class hotels (**** and upwards) wouldn't care who comes into your room, as that's a part of the luxury. Just make sure she doesn't obviously look like a hooker. Do not ever try to tip the reception guys at the upper class hotels, that might get you in trouble. Also, there's Seranda hotel which is totally the fuckigham palace. They have a club which is practically a brothel, and you can do your hookers in the hotel. You'll see a lot of useful information if you read the older messages on this board. And the oldest ones (archives) can also be of help.

Happy hunting!

I really don't have more to add on Istanbul. I don't think there are escort services or massage parlors like we have in the west. You cannot open the yellow pages an order a girl to your room. I think ***** mongering became popular in this country after the collapse of Soviet Union with the flood of Russian beauties. Istanbul is a great city, but not for whoring. Turkish WG's are very rare and you can find one only with the help od Turkish buddies. I slept with quite a few Turkish women, not in exchange of money tough. They are usually quite conservative and not very comfortable in bed, but they are very sensual. A foreigner's best bet in Istanbul is the "Fuckingham Palace" in Laleli. Read the messages posted earlier.

...."They are usually quite conservative and not very comfortable in bed, but they..."

What ????????????

Since I got divorced 5 years ago, I have had sooooo many Turkish girlfriends, and "wow", they go off like rockets !!

My expiriences in Turkey are ten times better from what I have seen and lived in Germany !!

For Turkish girls a blow-job e.g. is completely normal and a standart part of the game. Try to find a German girl who even knows what a BJ is..... :-((

This is not only my personal expirience, I am quoting friends of other European nationality as well.

If you look for LTR's Turkey is heaven !

Regarding call-girls or escort services, there MUST be action in Istanbul. Here in Ankara I have heard of at least 2 women-pimps who "deliver", and this is just Ankara. I am very sure there is a looooot more action in Istanbul, you just need a Turkish friend who knows the scene. This mysterious "Russian Lady" is for sure not the only one in town.

Was in Hotel Seranda 2 weeks ago and the disco was closed...maybe because it was 10:30pm on Wednesday? I don't want people to commit suicide here! ;-)
Anyway, apparently the all Aksaray area (where Hotel Seranda is) is full of activity in hotels: at least this is what a Turkish guy who approached me on the street claimed; he was offering to take me in one of them, but I declined the offer.
have fun,
leo

I think it does start at 10:30pm, sounds like you were early that evening.

As others have said definitely Fuckingham Palace !!

I am planning another foray to Istanbul in January and will certainly visit Serenda again. This time i plan to close a deal at the Bacardi Club too. {Nobody seems to post anything about Bacardi ??? - does nobody go there now ??}

What is the Chicago2000 ??? club like, very few postings about that. On my last rip to Istanbul i was in the vicinity of the club but could not spot it !!

Time permitting may also visit Ankara.

But a definite must on this next foray to Istanbul is to visit a "regular" club in Istanbul to chance my arm with regular turkish girls (really beautiful women). Any suggestions on a place to visit ?

Went to the James Joyce Irish Pub on Istiklal Cad before but ended up speaking to an American and English guy... no english speaking turkish girls there unfortunately.

Nearly forgot !!

Is the Demirkoy still a happen'in place ? Are they Morroccan ladies there ? Quite a long way out from the City to return empty handed...

Hey Bunnyhopper.....
Read my topics about Bacardi..

Hallo boys,

I posted a Massage some days ago, just to inform me about the telefon nr. of the russian madam.

Nothing happend. So again:

could anyone write me an e-mail about the telefon-nr. of the russian lady, or is it absolutly secret.

I will be in istanbul in the next days.

Thanks for helping me.

E-MAIL: Kaiheinrichs@aol.com

Hello Gentlemen,

Below are the experiences of a friend of my mine he has kindly allowed to add his recent experiences to our collective knowledge of Istanbul.

Names, dates, time and places have been changed to protect
the guilty !!

In other repectes the report is un-edited.

Serenda has been closed for Ramadam, but is now open again, and is open earlier than people think, I was passing it last night at 10pm and it was open.

A few weeks ago I was flying out of Istanbul and I thought I would try the Demirikoy hotel that was mentioned in the Forum, in Atakoy, so I got in a taxi, and asked to be taken there, only to be told it was closed ( i think he was lying, but not sure) and he would take me to a good hotel in Aksaray, so we end up at this hotel in aksaray, and after I have paid for the night, thinking I would check out Barcardi club, I find out that the hotel won't allow girls back there, so that was $45 down the tube. so I checked out the scene, and thought I would try one of the Pubs, offering Girls, So I went in and tried to make it clear that I didn't want to get ripped off and I wasn't a tourist, assured me that it was only 2 million a beer and 10 million, for a drink with a lady, Yeah right should have know better, well I ended up sitting with a Russian, well past her sell by date, and to be polite, rather than tell her I would not even f...k her with someone elses dick let alone mine, I said I had to go back top my hotel for money, and for her to wait for me, so I put 15 million on the table to cover two beers and her drink, only to be told that the bill was 50 million, because of the nuts, fruit and other things that I didn't ask for, so I paid and left educated.

I went to Barcardi, got a good look around there and was impressed with the selection, had a chat to the waiters who were friendly and helpful, they explained that if I wanted to dance no problem, if I saw a girl I liked they would bring her over, even offering to point out all the girls that could speak English, I got the name of the head waiter and his card but I can't think where it is now. I paid the bill for two beers and the usual fruit etc, which was 20 million, not bad really, definately not a rip off joint. On my quest to find out more I left there and wandered around looking at all the other establishments, most of them are serious ripoff joints and should be avoided at all costs. So I went to Serenda, paid the 15 million to get in, and sat next to a guy from Western Europe , we conversed a little, he told me that the Moldavian girls were the best, anyway it was packed and and you couldn't get on the dance floor to see any of the girls, and after about 20 mins of being there they started the international caberet act, with about 1 hour or more of dance acts, mainly turkish dancing, which went on and on, and on some more. When the Caberet finished and the "Ladies" returned to the dance floor there was a stampede of guys to get to the girls, that was reminiscent of the wilderbeest on the serengeti, during the migration. I made two attempts to get on the dance floor but was defeated but the sheer numbers of Lemmings. I left there thinking to go back to Bacardi, by the way this is all in walking distance, and I felt safe in the streets surrounding there. On the way back I got talking to a taxi driver who said he could fix me up with a nice Russian girl for the night, so I explained that my hotel didn't permit girls there, so he said no problem, he knew of a good hotel and would deal with the whole thing, by this time it was late and I needed to get something sorted before I drowned in backed up bodily fluids. So I thought OK, and agreed the $100 for the night, and jumped into his Taxi, he took me back to my hotel and collected my bags, and then took me to ......... yes you guessed it the Serenda hotel, where he booked me in for the night, which clearly answers your questions, yes you can stay in the serenda for the night, like a normal hotel, except the disco doesn't stop till 5 am!!!!!! anyway waiting in the lobby is my my goergous Russian stunner, NOT, a rather chubby Moldavian girl,( who didn't speak a word of English, Franch or Spanish), still thinking what my new friend downstairs told me about Moldavian girls, I thought I would give it a whirl, and it seemed that she was less likely to crush me that being on the dance floor downstairs. So we went upstairs, where she made a bee line for the mini bar, ( probably where she got the figure from), any way she finally tore herself away from the TV and went and showered, and got in to bed, complaining that she was tired because she had been asleep when the taxi driver had called her to come over. So we got on with the job in hand, and she managed to take her eyes of the TV once or twice during my whole performance, it was most disconcerting, and after we had had a couple of boring husband and wife Fucks, she said that as I was leaving at 7 am for the airport she may as well go now ie about 4.30 am so I could get some sleep, By this time I was so dissappointed with her abilities and enthusiasm I agreed, and she left, reception called to make sure I was OK before they would give her the passport back, which I did think was a good thing, as if she had taken my wallet or something I could have had he stopped at reception. The final part to this tale was the Taxi ride to the airport, I decided I couldn't sleep so I went to the airport early and caught a taxi, I have driven around that part of town myself and knew instantly that he was taking me a different way, so I told him, but he didn't understand at all, and I just told him to get on with it, I watch the kms on the clock and by the time we got to the airport we had done 30 kms for a 12 km ride, so I told him to pull up at the police check point so I could report him, all of a sudden he knew I was on to him and said that no problems, and dropped me off at departures only charging me 15 million, not the 45 million on the metre.

Anyway, after my short excursion out of Istanbul I decided to go back in to Aksaray to check out Barcardi club and find out the real deal there, so one night I drive in there and go into the Club the waiter I saw before recognised me and sat me right by the dance floor. There was a good selection of Ladies and choice was the hardest part, I shortlisted it to two asian looking girls ( I thought Chinese) and eventually settled on one, who then left the dance floor and sat down, so I went to the toilets and on the way back asked her if she spoke English, and she said she did a little ( quite well actually) so I asked the waiter if he could bring her to my table, which he did, she had a drink and I had another we had a good chat and she then bought up the business aspect, and told me $200 for the night, I explained that I couldn't stay all night as I had to work the next day, so 2 to 3 hours was all I could go for, so she agreed $150 which I felt was a little expensive, but by this time I was entranced by her, she had a chinese look about her but was Russsian, and 22 years old, a body to die for and was easy to smile and laugh, so I thought well Serenda is about $50 for an hour and usually it is mechanical and they are in a rush to leave as soon as they can, so I thought 3 hours for 150 wasn't so bad if she was as good as she looked. So we left, I paid the bill 80 million, tipped the waiter and left, then 10 million to the front desk to get her coat!! and she said she knew of a hotel, so off we went and headed over towards Serenda Hotel, I was thinking that was where we were going, but it was a nice little hotel, just one block back from Serenda, and we go in, Pay 40 million and we are shown up stairs, not a bad room, the usual TV and mini bar etc ( empty but for water). Cut a long story short, she undresses and showers, and the body was unbelievable, cute arse, shaved pussy, small but irm tits, and not a stretch mark in sight, Paradise I thought, just my type, well we get on with it, no rush, pleanty of passion and feeling, already I am beginning to feel that I have had my monies worth considering my previous exploits. Then she gave me a BJ like I have never had, the wicked glint in her eye as she ran her toungue up and down my dick was something else, anyway, we sucked and fucked in most ways for about 2 hours and chatted for 1 hour, I was totally satisfied and couldn't complain about a thing, so I asked her for her Mobile as I wanted to see her again. No problem,she gave me the number and I called it there and then just to check that she wasn't fobbing me off. Off I went with a smile on my face and a spring in my step, Yesterday afternoon about 4.30 pm I called her and said I would like to see her again, and she said fine, so I met her at the same hotel at 5.30 pm, and we went up to a room and had 4 hours of just amazing fun and I even got 3 of those fanatasic BJs from her, I had her climbing the walls went I went down on her, but once again, no rush take my time, eventually I had to get back and had to leave her, reluctantly, she wanted me to stay all night but by 10 pm, I had to go, and we argeed to met again next week. She didn't even mention money until we were dressed and leaving and she asked me if I had forgotten something, I was just testing to see how pushy she was for the money, anyway, she said that it was the same as before so I paid here and walked her out to the street and left, I have to say that although not cheap I was not dissappointed at all, and was happier parting with that money to be satisfied, rather than half of it and been pissed of with what I got for it. I will be going back to see her again next week. It also means I can go and see here a a time convenient to me, not having to perform at 4 am to get my moneys worth and be so tired at work the next day.

Also I went with some friends (including a Turk) to Taksim in the centre, one night and went to a club there, we were fleeced totally, the have a great scam going there, you sit down watch the girls dance, then choose one to come over and sit with you, and then you have to buy the ladies a drink etc, we did a deal with the girls, $50 for 2 hours at their place just around the corner, stunning girls, too good to be true, of course it was, so you say OK lets go, but the say they can't leave the club until 3 am and so it you want them you have to stay and buy drinks till then. So my Turkish friend calls over the head waiter and explains that we all have to get up to work the next day and we can't wait until 3 am, he says OK fine he will give permission to go early at 2 am, it was then 1.20 am so it seemed fair, so we buy some more drinks etc, and so eventually at 2 am we ask for the bill, and are shoked at the 330 million bill for 3 of us, with girls drinking water. but pay up because we are on a promise, we head for the door and the girls say they will get their coats and meet us outside, does this sound familiar??? well the next thing we are standing outside the girls are still inside, looking for new mugs, and there are a couple of big bouncers not letting us back in to get the girls, we demand to see the manager, explain the agreement we had and he says it would be impossible as non of the girls are allowed to leave the club with clients, it is forbidden. We must have misunderstood, we explain that there could be no misunderstaning as one of us was Turkish, in short we were totally stiched up, it cost the 3 of us $220 for a couple of drinks and by that time it was too late to go to Aksaray to recover the evening. The club was called Olympia, but apparently all the clubs in Taksim operate the same way, be warned don't go there. As we drove out of Taksim square we noticed a couple of Girls, quite presentable standing on the side of the street, and in the interests of research we stopped to ask them How much etc, after my Turkish friend had discussed the price and place, they then mentioned that they were Transexuals, YEUCK, needless to say we drove home with out tails between our legs, and the only fucking that we got was financial, by Club Olympia.

That was the report - i hope you fella's found it informative. Makes me wonder why i didn't do the Bacardi Club in my trip there.

In addition i was talking to a female Turkish friend of mine whom has a relative that works in the Police force in Izmir. She was telling me that her cousin told her that there is a big problem in the City with amatuer hookers. Apparently ordinary turkish women and housewifes pick up local men and take them back to their homes (when husband is at work and kids at school) for business.

Needless to say i can't really ask her more about this - she will wonder why i am asking !

Is this true ? Does anybody have info on this ?

Bunnyhopper, thanks for the extensive coverage. Isn't $200 for a night too expensive?

Local expert and/or stockbroker: can you let us know what one should expect to pay for a stunning Russian lady in Istanbul?

Merhaba Hedonist,

Perhaps you are right but I really can't say as the report below was not my experience - i was just posting on behalf of another.

I too had imagined that $100 was the benchmark for an alnighter but on my own trip there i did not take a girl. As you have already commented, perhaps Stockbroker or Local Expert would care to shed some light on this ?

Bunnyhopper,

Congrats man that was quite the bunnyhopping :) Though I think $200 is way too much in Turkey no matter how stunning the girls are. Former models happen to fuck for $300 in Turkey. But don't keep your hopes up about that, because your chances of finding them are tiny when you don't have good connections in the Turkish modelling world. Also, their ex boyfriends find out and report them to the police so they hardly ever stay on the market for more than a few mnths. The bottom line is: $200 is way too much. I've had a Turkish girl for $100 before, and she was the most beautiful human being I've seen in my life! So the price for the Ruskies must be lower. A matter of supply and demand you know. You should be able to get a Russian girl for $150 if she looks good enough to be worshipped, and less if she has any sort of flaw. If you live in Istanbul (which I perceive you do) try to find one of those stunners, and become a regular customer. That way you'll get lower prices. The Turkish girl I had speaks perfect English (as to what she said) and is absolutely stunning. But I'm afraid I've lost her pimp's number :-( I'll let you guys know if I happen to find it somewhere.

As for Izmirian women fucking for money, I've heard that story about Greeks of the times before the 90's. Izmir has to have a lot of Greek influence, so that might be true. Apart from all, it's the most open-minded city in Turkey so your chance of getting laid for free is also higher. I'll ask my friends who live there and let you know if they say the story has any fact in it.

Hi Guys,

According to my expirience 200 USD is far too much, even for an "all-nighter", no matter wether the lady is of Turkish or Slavic origin. I heard of some Turkish top-class hookers in Ankara who sold their services for around 500 USD BEFORE the crisis in 1999 and 2000, but even those chicks come over to your apartment for 150 million TL now and stay the night.

The crisis has hit the entire scene in Ankara VERY hard, the prices have dropped to 80 million TL for one fuck these days and since the Ramadan (usually a no buis. month) came even on top of that, the chicks compete very hard with each other these days. About a month ago one chick, I call over on a regular basis, even offered me to be her boyfriend and stay at my house for an unlimited time; in return I had to cover her monthly expenses of about 2,5 billion TL. Not a bad deal, but not really "my cup of tea".
I doubt that the situation in Ankara is very different to the situation in Istanbul.

As I have said in my prior postings, I paid a gorgeous Moldovian chick from Serenda 100 million for an all nighter and she offered me 100 USD for 24 hours outside of the hotel. That was in 2001. I don't think that this price level has changed up to today.

My expirience with Bacardi was very bad. I went there in 2001 as well and got the feeling of a total rip off. The waiters and the prices were fair, but the chicks on the dance floor were completely out of their mind. After we called them to our table, they ordered cigarettes and other stuff on our bill and later wanted like 300 USD for an hour. We just paid our bill and left for good. In my personal idea, nothing compares to Serenda.

In summary, you will probably get confronted with very high prices by hoockers in Turkey if you are here for the first time, don't speak Turkish and look "touristy". Nevertheless, take 150 million TL as an upper limit for an all nighter. The competition is very high these days, so here is no need to pay more than that. Don't forget, this is Turkey ! When you go to the bazar in Istanbul and buy a carpet you bargain with he seller. If you want to "deflower" the carpet after with a hoocker, you bargain as well, of course :-)

Cochandito's "regular customer" thing is absolutely right. If the chick knows you, you get not only better prices, also GFE.

Regarding Izmir: I have no idea about the scene there. I went there several times but could not get any information. This is pretty akward, since NATO's Mediterranian HQ is located there, so many foreigners should be there as well. Izmirian girls are said to be very open, beautiful and willingly, but that does not mean you can pump it there with any chick. I believe this "prejudice" was born 100 years ago, by a farmer from East Turkey who saw the sea and unveiled girls for the first time in his life. In my idea, there is no difference between girls from Izmir, Istanbul and Ankara.

Evening Sirs,

The report seems to have caused a bit of a stir. Honestly it is not my travel report !!

I am planning atrip at the end of next month to Istanbul and/or Ankara and as before will post a detailed account of my adventures.

Cachondito - I wish I did live in Istanbul, i think it would be a great place to live. I had breakfast one morning at a restaurant along the Bosphorus near the Dolmabache Palace - i guess i could have gotten used to doing that every morning !

Regretably I am from the cold and wet UK !

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Is the Demirkoy Hotel definitley closed ? Were have all the Moroccan women gone that apparently used to work the place ?

Nobody has suggested any good bars for meeting regular turkish girls ? I don't fancy stumbling into a Club Olympia type joint.

Hi guys..
100 dolar..well it depends on how often you visit the usual place.
if you are a good customer to the bar sometimes 100 dolar is enough to pick a stunning lady.
But for an ordinary customer 150 is an average for a beauty.
But i witnessed that if girl likes you price is getting lower.
and it depends what time you go to hunting,at weekends ,prices are always high.So prefer week days .And always bargain to faint
if the place is not full that night you can shoot a model look russian lady..

About stunning Turkish ladies..forget about Turkish ladies guys.
you must be living here to find a gorgeus lady because they dont like one night stands.
But if you pay for a Turkish hooker than you are a dumb.Because the beutiful ones are realy miss universe but cost a fortune,the others are too risky..and ugly.
We Turks are even hunting with ruskies.

stockbroker

Bunnyhopper !

If you wanna meet regular Turkish girls, you may want to visit places in "Etiler" like the "Sherlock Holmes" or the "The Lane's" next to it. Many foreigners hang around there and the local girls are more up to it than they would be in other bars.

Have fun

Good evening,

Yyaisss, Demirkoy hotel still exists and is open ! I went there a couple of weeks before, but it was during the ramadan... and there was only 5 or 6 girls there. The place is really quiet and discreet (you could imagine it's just a motel, and you must ask for the disco to find the entrance). Entrance fee is 12MTL, room 45MTL and the girl I met a bit expensive (200$). But she was nice and horny and enjoyed speaking also. The girls there where young between 23-28 but I cannot tell you if it was Moroccan or not, need to go another time to check this point ;o)

I just arrived in Istanbul several months ago and I don't know many places and have no phone n° to call. I am very interested in learning anything that could help me hunting more and more quality (tekit.yzi@caramail.com). Thanks in advance.

have fun, enjoy yourself


[QUOTE]Originally posted by BunnyHopper
[i]Evening Sirs,

The report seems to have caused a bit of a stir. Honestly it is not my travel report !!

I am planning atrip at the end of next month to Istanbul and/or Ankara and as before will post a detailed account of my adventures.

Cachondito - I wish I did live in Istanbul, i think it would be a great place to live. I had breakfast one morning at a restaurant along the Bosphorus near the Dolmabache Palace - i guess i could have gotten used to doing that every morning !

Regretably I am from the cold and wet UK !

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Is the Demirkoy Hotel definitley closed ? Were have all the Moroccan women gone that apparently used to work the place ?

Nobody has suggested any good bars for meeting regular turkish girls ? I don't fancy stumbling into a Club Olympia type joint. [/i][/QUOTE]

Hi,Cossack,

could you please send me the tel number of some escort agencies in istanbul, i will travel there soon,

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

jouyenjosas8@netscape.net

can some experts offer us some information about erotic sauna and massage service in Istanbul, tel number or address, thank you in advance!

Hio Cossack,

I'll be going to Istanbul next week, and I wonder if you could send me the number of the Russian Madame, and an appraisal of your experiences lately and the total cost. I havent been to Istanbul before, but i'd guess it would be easier than the usual bar pick up joints.
Thanks man

fneekers@yahoo.com

Local Expert & Istanbul Stockbroker can i have your email address ?

Or if you don't want to post it here please send an email to my account wsg_1000@yahoo.co.uk

One anonymous hint about a russian madame, dozens of people asking for her mobile #, a couple of stories about scams and on top of this someone still claiming that Istanbul is a great destination for sex!

C'mon buddies, Turkey is a no no destination for mongers, like I have already told you. Spare the bucks and head in Romania, Unghary, Ukraine or wherever (islam free) comes to your mind: you'll halve the budget and double the fun.

Just my 2 cents,
Banana Joe

Turkey is a fascinating country and Istanbul is amazing. But BananaJoe is right, it is not a good city for the hobby. In Istanbul probably there are no escort agencies or massage parlors. Even if there are the information never gets public. So, please spare those messages asking for massage parlors, escort agencies etc.

There are only a few Turkish hookers, and your chances of getting one is very slim.

I personally didn't like the word "Islam-free". Whoever uses this phrase doesn't know Turks and Turkey good enough. A Turk migth go to mosque on Friday, get together with his buddies in a pub on Saturday night to drink like hell and maybe to hunt some pussy in Laleli area.

Your best bet to hunt for pussy is Laleli area. But it is quite risky for somebody who doesn't know how to play the game. Read the earlier messages posted here.

In short, don't go to Turkey for sex.

I'm not against islam per se, and maybe my limited english have not done a good job describing what I think.

I know very well that Turks are muslism in a much more relaxed way than Saudis, for example. Ataturk have drawn a clear path (secularism) for Turkey.
Anyway, it's straightforward that Turkey, North Africa and Middle East are areas not very well suited for mongers. Coincidentally (?) in all of those areas islam play a big role.
So I'll go to Turkey for turism, for the ospitality, for sightseeing ... but not for mongering!


Happy hunting,
Banana Joe

Guys !

Only an idiot would go to Turkey just for the reason of finding hoockers. Turkey is not a country for sex tourism, there are better ones (just check the amazing reports in the Buenos Aires section).

But if you live here or are on a buissiness trip, Istanbul (and Ankara) do have the neccessary facilities for pleasure. If you solely look for Turkish *****s, you will be better off in Ankara than in Istanbul.

Most the hoockers I saw in Serenda were worth it and did make me enjoy my stay. In comparison to Spain and Portugal (where I stayed 10 years ago for several weeks), the prices and the quality of the hoockers in Istanbul was better.

So, of course you go to the Eastern Block countries if you are planning a sex holiday, but if you stay in Istanbul, there is no reason to cry :-)

I just found this report on "http://www.*************.com/guide/Asia/Turkey/". Sounds interesting. Can anyone give a comment on this "Big Pub" ? :

"The area of Istanbul to head for to get your hole is called Aksaray. The place is full of prostitutes but they hang out in bars and discos and not on the street. 95% of them are Russian, but if your image of the typical Russian woman is blond, busty and overweight, you may be in for a pleasant surprise. Some of the women do fit the above description, but many are from the central Asian republics, are slim with exotic feaures, and speak a language close to Turkish.
I found myself in the area by sheer chance and noticed that there were a lot of bars and basement discos where men were standing outside and you couldn't see in through the window - always a good sign if you are prepared to be adventurous. The place I would thoroughly recommend is called Big Pub, on one of the main streets near traffic lights, the address is Mustafa Kemal Cad. No. 19. When you go in, sit anywhere you want, it doesn't matter if you share a table with others. Expect to be the only westerner there.

The women usually sit at tables in groups of 4 staring at their mobile phones and occasionally getting up to dance. The music is Turkish disco and occasionally live when a singer or belly dancer appears from nowhere and comes round the tables asking for song requests. To talk to a girl, you can try and make eye contact and beckon them over to your table, or boldly walk up to them. Another method is to buy a rose for a nominal amount from one of the waiters carrying them and he will give it to the girl of your choice who should then walk over to where you are seated.

Drinks are only $3 each, you can get for example a draft beer or a glass of raki, a colourless aniseed spirit like ouzo or pernod, strong and rough.Very few of the waiters speak any English and the girls even less, but when it comes to money they will find the words. Expect to be asked for $100 short time which you should be able to knock down to $70 or even $50 if you are lucky. The women range in age from 18 to about 50 but on the whole they are in their 20s and attractive. The best time to arrive is about 9.30p.m. and the place peaks between 10 and 11. After that, the girls drift off to other locations, notably discos which are open till 4a.m.and more expensive.

Avoid the Mogul Disco which is down a side street near the Big Pub. Your first drink will cost $30-$40 which includes 3 small plates of fruit and a bit of cheese. "

Hi all,

If one wants to have some action in the late mornings or early afternoons in Istanbul where should one go?
Any suggestions

I just got back from another trip to Istanbul.

I rotated my hunting between the Bacardi Club, Serenda Hotel and regular bars.

Serenda is the same as usual. But prices seem to have changed. The going rate seems to be $50 for 2 shots or $100 for an all-nighter. The drink prices are the same 4 million for a coke, and my English-speaking waiter friend is still working there. The room cost seemed to vary between 40-50 million. I couldn’t suss out a pattern ?!?!?!? Also still the 15 million entry fee (12 million on Sundays) the fee still includes the first drink for free.

This time I struck up conversations in a mix of broken English and Turkish with the other guys that would be seated at my table – Turks are a decent bunch and are very keen to chat. They kept inviting me to drink Raki !! Some off the guys offered me a girl swap. 3 girls, 3 guys, 3 adjacent rooms – when you get bored of yours you go next door and swap !! Nice idea but I did not feel upto it – I had no doubts that it was safe to do so though !!! (One of the girls I had confirmed to me that this does really happen – I guess Turks love a good party !!) (You don’t get your own table, you share with others). Many of the same girls there as before – some even remembered me !!. Also the same old man at the cash register, he remembered me too - he had the same look on his face as my father used have when I was a naughty lad ! All girls have a mobile phone, if you like her ask for the number. Again, same problem with Romanian girls not doing BJ, but I was able to find a great girl from Moldavia that did the deed for me !!

This time checked out the Bacardi club on two nights. The going rate seems to be $150-$200 for an all-nighter. What happened to the $100 all-nighter rates. These girls look better than those at Serenda, but $150-$200 seems to take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]; regardless I paid the asking rate and could not be bothered to haggle. The two girls I had both came back to my hotel in Tepebasi area close to Istiklal Caddesi - I was staying in a double room. They did BJ, one did covered and the other uncovered. One of these girls also had breast implants !!!! Amazing feeeeeeeeeeelling - quite literally !!!

No entry fee to Bacardi (but you do get frisked as you walk in {same as Serenda}). Drinks are expensive. I think 20 million for coke. On one night I had two cokes and the girl I was with had one OJ and cost me 80 million total the other night the same cost me 60 million ?!?!?

I also noticed at that often in the Bacardi one girl would leave with a group of between 2 – 4 guys. Gangbangers I wonder ???

A girl at the Bacardi said it is OK to go on the dance floor and talk to the girl whilst you are there – ask if they do those things you want ! Then invite her to your table for a drink and chat. {IN BOTH CLUBS YOU MUST NOT TALK TO THE GIRLS OFF THE FLOOR}. But in Bacardi if you see a girl you like, call the first waiter that walks past you and point to the girl and he will call here. I think there is at least one waiter that speaks English in Bacardi. I had to tip him 10 million when I got the girl and we decided to leave. I also had to tip the cloakroom attendant 10 million for the girl’s coat and then another 5 million tip to the guy outside for just flagging a cab down. I guess you must consider these a necessary expense.

I got to a point were some nights it was easier to get a cab to Bacardi (as it is on a main road) and walk to Serenda as I became familiar with the streets. And on other nights I found myself giving the cab driver directions to where I wanted to go to !!!!!!!!!
Cab fare should be 5 million from Tepebasi to Aksaray – anything more and you have been had.
I did see the “Big Pub” it is close to Bacardi. As you come out of Bacardi, turn right. After about 10 yard to get to a junction (you would turn down it to get to Serenda) walk straight over. After about a further 10 yards you are there. They are basically on the same road. I also saw the “Mogul Bar” – did not go in. You walk past it as you walk from Bacardi to Serenda.

Guys trying to get you into bars/clubs will stop you in this area. My trick was to talk to them and when they mentioned “girl/madam”, I would look shocked and offended and walk off. It worked every time. !

I tried to arrange to meet 3 other posters from the WSG but I only managed to arrange a meeting with one. After meeting at the James Joyce and having a beer and a chat we then hit Serenda one night. My friend’s comment was “”Rip Off Turkey””. As we pulled up in his car close to Serenda, the parking attendant from Serenda tried to charge us for parking on a public road !!!! Anyway we went inside, had a drink and he left with his chosen on.

I went shopping in Nisantasi and I got to the spot were Nadide & Enjoy is. From my last rip I remember that there used to be a sign outside the passageway. As that sin is now gone I did not enter. The street was busy with shoppers and I felt very self-conscious.

On other nights I went out with some female Turkish friends that live in Istanbul and we did the bars in Taksim and Istiklal Cad. Went to Hayal Kaveshi, Mojo, the familiar James Joyce Pub and some other places I was too drunk to remember. Again Turkish girls are spectacular !! I think in Istanbul, the youth culture revolves around live music – I am a young guy, but I look even younger than I really am !!
Istiklal and Taksim Square is alive in the evening. Lots of cafes, bars, restaurants and packed with people !!

I also did the tourist thing whilst I was there and went to the other places that I did not visit on my last trip. I was also braver and explored more of the City whilst I was unaccompanied, going on the Ferries, Metro, Tunel and Dolmus (growing increasingly sick of rip-off taxis). The Blue Mosque was awesome (perhaps because my heritage is Islamic).

I was in Istanbul only for 5 hours transiting from Moscow to Singapore last month and wanted to post my FR.

I went to a restaurant in Laleli upon a recommendation. I don't recall the name of the place but it was one of the few located in a small street parallel to the main one and it was for pedestrians only. The place looks like a legit restaurant and serves meals but there are a few girls (ex-Soviet) sitting around. I asked a 23 year old blond to join me. We had an early dinner together and arranged to go to a nearby hotel. The restaurant bill was about 50 mil (about USD 30) including meal for 2, my drink and tips for the waiters. Go easy on the tips because once you give to one, every Tom, Dick and Harry opens their hands. However, I believe that tipping is unavoidable and fair.
The girl's name was Natasha and she was from Moldova. She was not very tall and a 7 or an 8 out of 10. But the service was definitely 9/10. We went to a nearby hotel and registered. To my surprise, she registered with her marriage certificate with some Turkish chap. We spent the next 3 hours together. After an essential shower, she gave me a complete GFE and we were all over each other. She gave me a BBBJ and FS twice. I have to admit I am looking forward to be in Istanbul again. We did not talk about money until we were finished. She asked me USD 50 and I paid her 80. I believe I still got an excellent service out of it.
I hope the above is useful for some of you.

Happy hunting

Bacardi is alive guys....
Last day me and a friend of mine went Bacardi..
there were a lots of stunning girls.My friend invite a long legged blonde to table..she asked 150 dolars for whole night..she was very friendly..
And tomorrow when we talked on the phone with my friend he told that she was superb.
We had 3 whiskies, a cup of coffe and a drink for girl and paid 70 million (45 usd) plus 10 million tip on table..
next week i will be hunting for myself this time..

bye

stockbroker

Hi guys,

Glad to hear that Bacardi is alive, I am rather new to this activity and would appreciate some advice greatly. How early in the day is it possible to get some action at Bacardi Place and has anyone got any info on the Russian ladies web site called "Sylvia" or on this mythical Russian madame.

I recently paid a visit to Nadide, and it was terrible, quality around 3-4 and do not waste your time there; I walked out.

I wish everybody a good time.

Local expert and/or stockbrocker,

Since you guys know the local scene I read on the web that there are some web based operations especially in Istanbul with membership that shows you a portfolio of girls you can chose from. Are you aware of such sites and if yes could you give me some info. If you do prefer to send it privately my e-mail is connect_28@yahoo.com I will be in Istanbul next week with very limited free time. Instead of going to bacardi or seranda this would be a quicker alternative.

Thanks in advance

connect_28:

I have heard about such a webpage which is hosted by a Russian madame. They say that the URL changes monthly and that you need a password to get in.

Now, I have just HEARD about it so I cannot give you any details. I will be in Istanbul in May for a week, so I will try to find out more info.

I am looking forward to hear.

Thanks!

One of the sites I have recently found, but never used is called istanbul secrets, its web is www.istanbulsecrets.homestead.com, and it prices are very very high, around 800 us dollars for an hour. It looks like a rip off, but may be of interest to sb who is travelling on company money.

I am sure there must be other web based services, operating out of Russia or Ukraine, it would be nice to find them/ use them.

Novice, thanks for the info. However I don't think nowadays any company can afford a $800 treat to his employees, at the not the one I am working for. If anybody has any other sites please let me know.

Yeah i've spent some time in Istanbul and while i was there i checked out a few places cant remeber the names but this one place a guy asked if we wanted a gurl and he said 20$ for gurl and asked us to follow him and he lead us to a place full of some very hot younge gurls looked mostly russian not sure though. But they would ask us to buy a drink for them but if u do it would cost like 10 to 20 us dollars and I talked to the guy that ran the place and he said it would be 300 US to take a gurl for the night. I had to reject that offer I aint never paid that much..LOL and i spoke to one of the locals and they said it should have cost way less. I aint to sure what the going prices are in this place..

I also went by the GENERAL HOUSE it had cops standing near a medal detector and they would ask for ID. Tried to go in but they didnt let me.. Dont know why? was it because i was American?? I dont know? Is it only for Turkish people to play?? Well if some one would provide us with some helpfull info it would be very appreciated.

Dirty dog,

It's not quite logical to be denied entry to a brothel just because you're American or because you're a foreigner. Most likely those cops figured you had shitloads of money and wanted to be bribed. Or they were too naive and they thought you were at the wrong place :-) But believe me it's a good thing you were denied entry because those government-approved brothels are literally shit. Also I strongly doubt you would find any English speaking girls there.

About the $300 thingy, that's insane. That could only be because you don't speak Turkish. If you hang out with someone who speaks Turkish or with a Turkish fellow, chances are you'll pay half of that. I'm planning to be in Istanbul for some time in the summer and I do know some private escorts. So if you're there at that time I would be glad to help you once I find the phone numbers of those girls. I'm not sure I can find them again so don't take this as a promise. But I'll try my best. Follow this thread and I'll let you (and other people for that matter) know if I can arrange something.

Hello Friends.

I will be in Ankara in August, and I mean to check out every single place discussed here. When I return, I will give you a very complete analysis of all these places. I must say, this will be an exhausting task. In the meantime, if you have any special things you need to make me aware of, I will appreciate that.

In search of the "secret" and "mysterious" website, I might have found something:

http://www.ilaydaajans.cjb.net

Has any of your guys ever made experience with this "agency" ? Is it scam or real ?

I also heard a site called www.orospubul.com Does anybody have any experience with these guys?

I have no idea if it is a scam or not. But the girls are definitely not Turkish. Many of them looked Russian/Ukranian to me.

local expert.

I called up the number on the site. No answer. I'll be in Istanbul next week. If anybody has any new places/girls suggestions welcome.

I have posted the same question about the "mysterious website" on another discussion board. These are the answers I received:

1) WWW.TURKESCORT.COM is also WWW.ILAYDAAJANS.CJB.NET This service a SCAMM Beware!!!! They are no secret and have been busted in the past Do not give them ant personal info unless you want it viewed by everyone in Turkey including the polis The phones are taped and recorded Any service with taht many pictures of working girls is a Fake You are much better off going to the Laleli in Istanbul or one of the hostess bars in your city.

2) Check this out with a little research I found out that Turkescort.com is also www.ilaydaajans.cbj.net and all of the pictures on their site of the "escorts" can be found at http://www.blonde-russian-women.net a russian site for dating and marriage so it must be a scam the owner of the site is Eray Gemici his address is listed as Ebuziya cad. Kayaci Sok dilara apt 4/12 bakirkoy. I don't know if it's a trap set up by law enforcement or just a scam! Anyone have any info

Seems to be scam, then....

Local expert, you are truely an expert. Thanks for the info. I guess Seranda is still the safest bet in Istanbul.

Connect_28:

I am honored :-)))
You seem to be perfectly right about Serenda. It is the easiest and cheapest way to screw chicks with a photomodel-like appereance.

Model like appearance would be a slight exaggeration for many of those Moldavian and Romanian girls.

The trouble with Seranda is that most of the girls do not do BJ and the ones that are willing to do are mostly the ugly ones. If one could solve that problem then Seranda would be a good value for the money in true sense.

Hedonist:

Ok, since we are supposed to give OBJECTIVE information on this board, I will agree with you.
For MY part though, I thought most of the chicks in Serenda were great.

localexpert:

You are doing a great job about informing us about the Istanbul scene. Please don't take me wrong. There were definitely very beautiful girls at Seranda. But their attitudes were no good. I had 3-4 girls there. One of them was a true GFE. But the with other girls sex was very mechanical, I honestly didn't enjoy it. But I agree with you, Seranda is probably the best to get laid in Istanbul for a foreigner.

Hedonist:

Come on, why should I take you wrong ? You were right in your last post, and I aggreed with you !
You said that Serenda is about the best place for a FOREIGNER to get laid. Well, for that pricelevel I can't imagine any other place in Istanbul to get laid. All the other place referred to on this board were both "problematic" and expensive.

Connect 28:

Well, I have not been to Serenda VERY often, as I don't live in Istanbul, but whenever I had been there, I got an uncovered BJ. "Anal" was what they didn't do, but kissing and sucking was no problem. GFE was always the case and I am planning to go there in the last week of June again and will then write an update.
Since there are about 50 - 70 girls in Serenda, the chance to get a "boring" one is as high as getting a "good" one.

To All:

According to my research there seems to be NO website advertising chicks for "home-delivery" in TURKEY. To be honest, I would actually be seriously surprised if someone comes up with a real "NO-SPAM" website. Such an organisation of the scene as you have e.g. in Buenos Aires doesn't fit the scene here.

Hi all

I will be in Istanbul in two weeks time. Any up-to date info would help. Which hotels are good to avoid problems bringing girls back (I was thinking of the intercontinental)? Where can I go to find some Russian girls?

Thanks in advance

Steve

Hi Cossack.

Any info you can give on Instanbul would be of help. I have never been with a Russian girl, so your contact for the madam would be useful if you don't mind.

Here my e-mail if you get time send2mat@hotmail.com

www.istanbulsecrets.homestead.com

i guess worth to check.

Stockbroker:

Come on... 300 USd per hour does not sound really convincing if can have 24 hours for 100 USD with a Seranda girl.
Also why do they want to have your full name, age and nationality in an introduction email ?
I would be careful with that site......

To skmsteve.

Any advise I can give you is already posted on this board. As most guys have stated, the best place for a foreigner to find the honies is going to be SERANDA. This is only because it is easier and straight forward. I personally do not like the place even though it is loaded with babes. Reason, it is the embodiment of meat market, and most of the girls are truly the embodiment of MECHANICAL. As far as that famous madame, I do not give her # out on the board for her safety, and unfortunately the few guys I have given it too by email have proven to be assholes, either to her or to her girls. One thing I will tel you is that if you are not shy and can stirke up a conversation easily, try going out to an early dinner at one of the 100s of restaurants in and around Laleli, and see how lucky you are.

Be safe!

Almost forgot,

I tried out the club Europa about 2 months ago (I know its late but I have been busy guys!). Located in Laleli the first street on the right when you go under the railiroad over pass from Yenikapi to Laleli. It is known and anyone can point it out to you. Don't let the stairs going down to the club scare you off, it is safe. I went there 3 times during that period and this is what I think. The management is very professional (ask for Kemal or the owner Sezal), the drinks prices are reasonable (printed menu - ask for the one in Turkish, prices are in TL and seemed cheaper= and Johnnie Walker is written the same in Turkish so you guys shouldn't have problems deciphering it), and the girls are just as good as Seranda (how could he forget you say...as I said I was very busy), and to top it off, it trys to be a real club where you can dance, talk, and meeet the girls. Again, the best thing to do is go late, after 1030 PM, get seated, order your drink, then start looking for what you want. Prices for the girls are the standard $100, though some of the girls were asking for Euros. Please do not F... it up for us all and pay the initial $150-$200 asking price. Remeber, you will leave there late, and she will try to leave there early, so pay for what you get. My preference is alwys the Russian girls for all out sex, I am just fed up of the Romanians, Turkish, and others saying they do not do this that and the other! I cannot put my fingers on their phone # right now but when I do, I post that too.

When I just re read this it sounded like a damn ad.....it isn't though, just sharing the knowledge with the brotherhood :)

Be safe,
COSSAK

TO stockbroker or localexpert:

I got some mail from one of you last week, but due to the slow down of internet services in Turkey over the last 10/12 days, I lost it. Whoever it was of you that sent me the mail please send it again. Thanks!

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack

Hi Cossack.

Thanks for the info, I will give it a go. Do you have any info on the city of Bursa.

Thanks for now.

Steve

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Cossack,

Thanks for the info, very useful. I will try Europa when I am next in Istanbul, which should be in couple of weeks time. I have the same problem with the Romanians. They do not want to do BJ, covered or uncovered. Is there any hotel that you use in Aksaray, which is at least clean, since I need to take the girl to a hotel after Europa. Is $100 for 2 hours or all night?

If you feel like giving out the Russian madames # please e-mail it to connect_28@yahoo.com I promise I will not pass it to other people. Are her girls better value than the girls in Seranda or Europa?

Regarding www.istanbulsecrets.homestead.com I think we should be diciplined and not overpay. I have been to many European cities but never paid more than $125 per hour anywhere. I think $300 is really streching it.

connect_28

Cossack:

It wasn't me with the email.

Are the "standard" 100 USD for one srew or for the night with he girls in "Club Europa" ? What about hotels ? Do the girl have hotels to go to or can you take them to your hotel ?

hey localexpert,

Thanx for your reply! Sorry I should have been more specific regarding the Europa, everytime I got a girl from there, it was $100 for the night. They want more as I said, but that is just the usual pazar bagaining tactics all the girls in Turkey are into these days. You really should not pay any more than that! A few nights ago I was hooked up with a TOTAL stunner from the Czech republic, dinner+dancing+doggy, as they say, and it cost me $150 for her plus, and I mean she was STUNNING like Playboy Stunning. So if you take that as a standard, then $100 for your regular disco babe is relly top $. As I keep saying, do not pay more and F it for all of us PLEASE.

As far as hotels and so on are concerned, what I have done is to rent a fully furnished studio apartment in Atakoy and I don't have the hassles of hotels, passports, etc. If you are local, or in Ist for more than 1 week at a time regularly, it makes more sense. I pay TL 300 mill for the month ($200 more or less), and when you consider a one night hotel being TL 45 to 80, then it makes sense to me. Also, I find that the girls are more willing to extend their stay until well into the following afternoon with me that way, nothing better than sex as a brunch dessert :p

I found the # for Europa +90212-518-1923. Make sure you get there latest by midnight cause the girls fly in and fly out fast! Also forgot to mention that they close at 6AM, so for all you who want to extend the partying, go there after SERANDA!!

That all for now fellas

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack

it was not me who send the e-mail..
i didnt post no private e mail in this forum..

Any news about Bacardi..i havent been there for a long time..
i have heard about Europa ,i will try it soon..

Sorry skmsteve and connect 28 didn't answer you guys!

connect - As far as clean hotels in Aksaray, they are all pretty much the same dumps if you are going there at 4 am and taking a girl with you...that is why I have my little studio apt. As far as that # goes, I promised her not to give out her new #, Sorry! Also I researched that web site and I can tell you it is 100% scam/fishing bait. PLEASE for you that live in the US call the young lady "Cindy" in NY, talk to her, and you will see that she is merely a long distance fromt for some scam artist pimp here in Ist, who will then deliver a regular $100 girl to you and charge those RIDICULOUSLY high prices. Do it and see, I did it from here just out of curiosity, and that is my take on the deal.

skmsteve - I go to Bursa for business at least 3/4 times a month and all I can tell you is that all the guys from there come here to Ist for the pussy. It is a small town, but I am sure that if you look hard enough, you will find something, but will it be worth the effort when all you have to do is dive 30min from Bursa to Yalova, then hop on the fast ferryboat to Ist (45 min) that then drops you off in Yenikapi which is 10 min walk from Laleli and Aksaray. I am almost 100% sure that the time to find a decent working girl in Bursa will be more than talking the trip back to Ist!


stockbroker- I will be going to Europa on Fri or Sat, if you are around I'll see you there. Haven't been there in 2/3 months and need to do further "research" to see if they are keeping up the standards :p

Thats all for now guys


Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack

I will be in Istanbul on the 28th of June for just a night on transit (just for mongering purposes) and planning to stay at around Laleli area instead of my usual hotel in Taxim (any suggestions?), hoping to find my Moldavian if she is still around or alternatively visit Seranda for new pleasures.
Serenda is actually a hotel, isn't it? Do they have a web site for making reservations and checking out the rooms? Although it provides convenience, I don't fancy staying in a below par hotel either. I am half tempted to stay at Vatan Asur around the same area having seen their web page. Reasonable rate (USD 50) and free to/fro airport transfers. Does anyone know if they are "guest-friendly"?
I was wondering if any of the Istanbul forum mongers would be in town for a cold Efes (or raki).
NC

Hey no commit..
try "Akgün Otel" at Topkapi.it s a five star otel and they are okay with "guests".
5 min.to Aksaray by cap..

You can stay overnight at Seranda if you like. The current price is ~$30/night.

Cossack: Did you go to club Europa alone?

Hello Fellas!

Been busy for a few days! First to answer Hedonist, no I was too busy to go to Europa and to nocommit, I’m in town on the 28th, so lets figure out how to get in touch and lets enjoy a warm summer Istanbul evening in the company of some cute girls!

Now for my report. As I said, I couldn’t go and party on the weekend due to last minute business on th weekend. I told a buddy of mine and he decided to take me out for a treat on Wed. This place is about 45 min from Aksaray (if you drive like an Istanbulite!) past a small town called Kumburgaz. Basically picture a walled compound with a huge luxury villa right in the middle, with a pool outside. We get there; go thru the gates, with security guard and all. Leave our car with the valet, and walk into the entrance hall, and what do we see…20 to 30 GORGEOUS GIRLS dressed to kill!
We get ushered into what is the middle of the house and it set up like a ding/dancing/bar. After sitting down, and ordering drinks and mezze, the maitre’d came over and asked us if we saw any particular girl we wanted to sit with us. I wanted to make sure that if I didn’t like the attitude of the girl I picked, I could change. My friend assured me that I could, so I went with a cutie, who eventually woke up next to me the next morning. I want to say that these girls are mostly from Eastern Europe, with a few Turkish girls in the mix. BUT they are not your run of the mill Aksaray girls…their attitude, both in public and private is MUCH better, and overall they seem to be better of or manicured so to speak. The best part of the whole experience was that the entire evening was extremely relaxed and it never felt like an outing to the local henhouse. There were not more than 15 guys/customers there, so that made the ratio of girls to guys 2/1 but if that seems low, believe me the “ugliest” girl in the house would rate an 8 on most sane men’s scale. All the rooms are on two floors above the dining area, and all have full baths, double beds, sat TV, mini bar, and a sofa.

I found out the next morning that the whole thing cost my buddy $165 (each) all included from 8PM to 11 AM Thurs morning. What a bargain!!! Great food, no limits on how much alchohol you consume, decent live Turkish music until 12, then club music to 3 AM, and (at least for me) awesome no limits sex, all without hassles. Of course I asked him if I could go back on my own, and apparently once you have been there once, you can go back anytime. For those who have never been there, you need to call them and give them the name and # of a person who has recommended them to you, and after checking out the info you gave them, they call you back and off you go!

Now for those of us who live here, or stay here for extended periods, this is a great break from the routine!! For all y’all that just pass thru, I don’t know!! I asked what a cab would cost from downtown to this place, and most people just said A LOT! But if you can drive, or have someone who can drive you there, it is worth it. I asked if I could share the info on this FORUM and the manager (?) said sure, but not to give any Tel# or address on the forum only by email. So if you want to go visiting, drop me you email, and ENJOY.

That is all for now, keep this section of the forum alive people, it is summer in Istanbul, and no one seems to be doing anything.

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack

Nice FR. Enticing enough to make me wish I could stay longer in Istanbul. But arriving at around 8 am'ish in the morning and leaving at 8 am the next. Please contact me via email (no_commit@hotmail.com) to arrange the details of the summer evening I am so much looking forward to.
Should I stay at Seranda itself? I am tempted to stay at Holiday Inn at Atakoy as they have a promotion for USD 51++. What would you recommend? I hope we can have a good time that Saturday night. I am tempted to visit Europa club as well. Eyeing a girl and going up to a dance floor in Seranda does not attract me much. I always prefer having a friendly chat to gauge if she will offer a GFE. Please have a look at my previous FR on a Moldovian I met in a restaurant in Laleli during my last stop over in Istanbul. I am 35 and have a sense of humour. You can be sure I won't bore you to death.

TO Stockbroker:
I have checked Akgun Hotel's webpage but there is no info on rates. I also sent an email to Asur Hotel (the one I had selected on the web) asking about their "guest" policy. Let's see how they will reply.

NC

Hi cossack.Would you please contact to me about the details of
the place you've just discovered?yaks87@hotmail.com

Hi Cossack,
the same counts for me. Could you please contact me as well and give me the details of the club you mentioned below. localexpert123@hotmail.com
Thanks

Hello guys,

To local and yak, I will get that info, the exact driving directions for you dudes from my buddy. The place is not a club, and you HAVE to call b4 you go there to book. It will be Wed b4 I can get to that though, not to late for the weekend!!!! Ck your email.

No commit, if I were to decide, I would stay at the Inn Atakoy. $51 for 5stars is a deal, and when you bring a lady back, they will not say a thing! It is a TL 10 mill taxi ride to Aksaray, I would rather stay at a decent place and spend the cab money than stay at the dumps around Aksaray/Laleli! We will definitely hook up, and I will be writing you an email later.


Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack

I am already booked at Holiday Inn Atakoy (I can almost crawl to the airport the next morning LOL) which conveniently should be shooting distance from Demirkoy Hotel. Has anyone been there recently? Is it still operational?

BTW, my planned trip is growing arms and legs. I will be back in Istanbul on the 11th of July and then will spend 2 days in Ankara after that.

Local Expert, you were from Ankara, weren't you? If you care to contact me, my email is [email]no_commit@hotmail.com[/email]

T-10 days and counting!!!!

NC

Hey Fellas,

NoC, whats up with your mail add??? clear out the old junk!!! To Local and Yak, I have been on the horn to my arkadas and he is kayip. Ck your mail for my contact # and I will try to get the info by tomm (Fri) to you at least by phone.

To all the others....I was sitting here sipping raki and I thought that it would be fun to set up a "Lets all meet in Istanbul thhis summer" weekend. A "few" guys mongering and partying should be fun ......what do you guys think? Sometime in mid July was what I was thinking about. You too Gabnal!! wherever the hell you are!!

Lets have a poll and only you guys who are SERIOUS put your thoughts forward. Thats all for now


Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack

I forgot...NoC Demirkoy is still open, and I was there on Wed, you know bored and just drove in for a drink. The quality has gone down a bit since last summer, but I picked up a hottie called Daniela from Romania, and had a good time for all! Not the best in the looks (5/6 with nice firm tits and a ROOOUUUUND ass). Unlike all our fellow posters, me included, this girl does it all and happily. I would dare to say that she is one of the few girls who ENJOY their work, and as I said even though she ain't the hottest tamale in town, she is worth EVERY penny, I got her # and asked hr if I could post it...of course she as any other sane business person is up for free advertisement!!!! So here it is, +90-533-244-6076. When y'all call tell her you got her # from her friend in Kemerburgaz..me! That's all

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack

PS what is up with ALL you guys I meet while mongering? You are all just lurking about reading but not contributing! Lets us tell our fellow sickos how good Istanbul REALLY is! Get a name, password, and wirte in you assholes!

Later!

I will be in Istanbul second week of July. If there is any get together I might be there.

Cossack how much did Daniela cost? Does she do anal?

Thanks for the info

connect

Got my tickets this morning. All systems are go!

Cossack,
Thanks for all the trouble and effort for contacting me. I really don't know what happened but my email should have been operational. Anyway, got your contact and will call you when I am in Bul. As for the overall get-together you are proposing mid July, I will be in Istanbul again on my way back on the 11th of July. So if the monger meeting coincides with that day, I would be more than happy to join in.

M.U.:
I received another email from someone else earlier today with the name initials M.U. Could it be another forum member?

Cheers,
NC

Cossack:

I got your email and phone number and will call you during the day. Thank you.

The proposed "mongering weekend" is a great idea ! I will have to go to Istanbul in the 2nd half of July for about a week, so... let's all meet up there and pump it.

How about this: Friday we all go to Serenda, Saturday we go to the restaurant place you mentioned prior and Sunday we take our chicks for a LATE breakfast to Ortaköy, next 2 the Bosphorus. For this event, we should not 4get to invite Bunnyhopper, who has contributed to this board in a great way.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cossack
[i]I forgot...NoC Demirkoy is still open, and I was there on Wed, you know bored and just drove in for a drink. The quality has gone down a bit since last summer, but I picked up a hottie called Daniela from Romania, and had a good time for all! Not the best in the looks (5/6 with nice firm tits and a ROOOUUUUND ass). Unlike all our fellow posters, me included, this girl does it all and happily. I would dare to say that she is one of the few girls who ENJOY their work, and as I said even though she ain't the hottest tamale in town, she is worth EVERY penny, I got her # and asked hr if I could post it...of course she as any other sane business person is up for free advertisement!!!! So here it is, +90-533-244-6076. When y'all call tell her you got her # from her friend in Kemerburgaz..me! That's all

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack

PS what is up with ALL you guys I meet while mongering? You are all just lurking about reading but not contributing! Lets us tell our fellow sickos how good Istanbul REALLY is! Get a name, password, and write in you assholes!

Later! [/i][/QUOTE]Cossack,

As you can see I am new to this forum and I am here in Istanbul from the US. I contacted Daniela and she had no idea who Cossack was and had no friend in Kemerburgaz. She seemed friendly enough and I think it may have been a language barrier. I was hoping that you could contact her and let her know that Sammy is OK. I will wait for your post to know I have the go ahead.

Also I will be in Istanbul for another two weeks (leaving July 6) and I am hoping you will be gracious enough to show me your latest find in Kumburgaz. Just let me know the best way to contact you.

Sammy D

I have been reading the board from afar... and i am seriously thinking about the "Boys Weekend"... i could never resist temptation !

I'll let you guys know if I can join you.

Exactly what dates are you guys in town ?

Exactly who will be meeting up ?

Hi fellas,

To Sammy D, of course she does not know Cossack, it is only a handle I use on this Forum! Also I wrote Kemerburgaz, but meant to write Kumburgaz. Anyways, I will call her if you want and tell her that she is now on the Forum (even though I asked an got her permission, I did not tell her I had put her info up yet...ooops). I will only tell her that that you asked on the forum, I do not know about the OK bit since I do not know you personally.....NoC and I are meeting this weekend (STILL ON RIGHT NoC!!) if you are around, we can meet up and then maybe I can say you are OK! Post your email address, and I will contact you!

Bunny, good to see you back alive and kicking on the Forum! As far as the dates, it is looking like July 11 to the 13th is the weekend of pump! That would be Friday thru Saturday. As far as who is attending, it looks like Local (thanks for the call today!, but where did you get my tel#, I didn't send it to you yet??),and NoC, are DEFINITELY in for now, and it looks like connect will be here, and of course myself. Add you to the group, and it looks like we will be a total of 5 of us. Boy! we sure could get some serious partying done!!!! Calling out to stockbroker, hedonist, yaks (what happened to you?)and all of you other Istanbul regulars, join up and lets make a weekend of it.

Just shortly, I finally made it into Europa late Sat nite (business and all), still rocking, still full of decent babes, and picked up a fine Moldovian hottie, it still $100 all nite (1AM to 11 AM Sunday) plus about TL 50 mill for drinks and tips.

That's all,

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack

Hi Cossack

I will be in Istanbull Friday/Sat night comming. Do you have an address for the Europa . If you fancy meeting up for a drink let me know. You can get me at send2mat@hotmail.com.
Rgd's Steve

Cossack,
All systems are go. Boarding the THY flight on Friday night to arrive in Istanbul on Saturday early morning. I have even arranged the hotel shuttle to pick me up at the airport. Will call you once I get to the hotel on Saturday.
For the planning of mongering weekend in July, I will be back to Istanbul on the 11th of July and moving on to Ankara on the 12th.
PS The Holiday Inn further dropped their price to USD 46/night after I confirmed my booking at USD 51/night. Should have waited a few more days. Shite!
NC

Hey guys..
whats going on..? an istanbul party ...sounds exciting.
i am not able to join you.Damn shit..
you decided to run condoms stocks out..?
maybe by the beginning of July i should make some invesment on condom papers on the market.. prefer "retardanti" ones :))
Saturday night is not a good idea..because all the hot girls
are being booked at early hours by locals.
my advice Bacardi,Europa,Serenda, and Balance clubs.
i have some doubts about Kumburgaz thing.it sounds like a brand new place, and i have never heard of nothing from my local hunter friends about it.
Maybe some other time....
enjoy your party and please let us know about the night..
we hardly wait to hear
bye

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cossack
[i]Hi fellas,

To Sammy D, of course she does not know Cossack, it is only a handle I use on this Forum! Also I wrote Kemerburgaz, but meant to write Kumburgaz. Anyways, I will call her if you want and tell her that she is now on the Forum (even though I asked an got her permission, I did not tell her I had put her info up yet...ooops). I will only tell her that that you asked on the forum, I do not know about the OK bit since I do not know you personally.....NoC and I are meeting this weekend (STILL ON RIGHT NoC!!) if you are around, we can meet up and then maybe I can say you are OK! Post your email address, and I will contact you!...

That's all,

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack [/i][/QUOTE]Cossack,

I would appreciate you contacting Daniela for me. Once you make the "introduction" drop me a line at wsg_sd@yahoo.com. I am eager to give her a call.

Also, this weekend sounds great. Email me with your contact info.

Sammy D

Well Guy's

My flight has been booked !

My hotel has been booked !

I guess were gonna party !

I will arrive in Istanbul on Friday 11th July in the afternoon and will be staying at the Holiday Inn !

Thanks for the tip ! I paid a rate of USD46.75 per night for the room.

I will leave Sunday afternoon 13th July.

I'll contact you guy's by email to discuss the detail of our itinery !

My email is wsg_1000@yahoo.co.uk

And the list gets longer!!! Way to go Bunnyman. It looks like the party is now NoC, Bunny, Local (hopefully!if all the papers are in on time), and me GUARANTEED! Four Definites is good....I will definitely be calling Sylvia to arrange for a few babes for at least 1 of those nights! And if the prices are what you all are saying, then I might stay at the INN that weekend.

StockB...I do not have your email, but post it and I will send you and your local hunters the directions to the spot, which is just outside of Kumburgaz (maybe why they are a little confused as to the spot). I asked my buddy about when it was setup, and he tells me that it has been running since last summer!

Sammy....called Daniela, and told her about you, try again, and good luck, looks like she has been a busy girl over the last few days!!!

skmstevie....sorry I do not have the exact address for Europa (check my directions on earlier posts), but check your email, NoC will be in on this Sat as you have probably read, call us and lets meet up!

Local...it is a short flight from Ankara man! Fly in sat afternoon, then fly out Sun afternoon, I think it will be a great night this Saturday! I will call you tomm!

That's all,

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack

Wow. This is turning out to be a major event! Who is Sylvia?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cossack
[i]And the list gets longer!!! Way to go Bunnyman. It looks like the party is now NoC, Bunny, Local (hopefully!if all the papers are in on time), and me GUARANTEED! Four Definites is good....I will definitely be calling Sylvia to arrange for a few babes for at least 1 of those nights! And if the prices are what you all are saying, then I might stay at the INN that weekend.

StockB...I do not have your email, but post it and I will send you and your local hunters the directions to the spot, which is just outside of Kumburgaz (maybe why they are a little confused as to the spot). I asked my buddy about when it was setup, and he tells me that it has been running since last summer!

Sammy, called Daniela, and told her about you, try again, and good luck, looks like she has been a busy girl over the last few days!

Skmstevie: Sorry I do not have the exact address for Europa (check my directions on earlier posts), but check your email, NoC will be in on this Sat as you have probably read, call us and lets meet up!

Local: It is a short flight from Ankara man! Fly in sat afternoon, then fly out Sun afternoon, I think it will be a great night this Saturday! I will call you tomm!

That's all,

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack [/i][/QUOTE]Hey Cossack,

Please include me in with the gang. I am eagerly waiting for a reply for this weekend (June 27-29). Email me at wsg_sd@yahoo.com

Gentlemen

It looks like I might not be able to join you in Istanbul for the weekend. I need to head back on the 10th. If there is any change with my plans I'll get in touch with you. I was looking forward to this weekend, unfortunately no luck this time. Have fun. Give us details.

connect

ok guys.. whats up now ?

Are we really gonna meet in Istanbul next Friday and Saturday ? Who is DEFINITELY in and what is the plan ?

I have booked my flights, but will stay at a friend's house. Wanna see some "yes, Local Expert, I am gonne be there at xx o' clock in yy hotel" messages now ! :-)

Hadi çocuklar........

As already stated,

Flights and Hotel all booked !

We will meet as per your SMS Text Message a few days a go.

""Local Expert, we will meet at 2000 Hrs in the lobby of the Holiday Inn""

Sorry for the delay in the FR but did not have the proper time to come up with a proper report. I arrived in Istanbul at about 7 am last Saturday and caught the hotel shuttle from International Arrivals Hall Gate B direct to the hotel. The shuttle bus leaves the airport every half hour with one-hour intervals. The service is free and very convenient. The Holiday Inn is about 10 min drive away and the weather was beautiful.
Although it wasn't even 8 am when I arrived at the hotel, they checked me in and gave me a room. The hotel is not a high rise and right next door to the Atakoy marina. Although it is a bit run down and old, the rooms are OK. However, one thing to note is the price quoted on the web site is excluding VAT and after all taxes etc it adds up to USD 60/night. I don't think the hotel is 5 stars but not bad either.
After the essential 3S session, I went to have breakfast at Galleria and change my money. I advise you guys going to Istanbul to change at Aksaray or Laleli as I got a low exchange rate and could have had a better deal at Aksaray. After the breakfast I spent some time in Taksim and the old quarters of the town having my lunch at the Cicek pasaji. I tried to get in touch with Cossack but at first he was tied up with work, then had a business lunch and later was not reachable due to flat batteries. Shame really! At that stage I was under the impression that Bunnyhopper and Local Expert was also going to be in town. So I visited internet cafes trying to get in touch with them. At about 4 pm, I understood that I was going to be on my own and decided to make the most of it.
I took a cab to Aksaray and found the restaurant I hooked up with my Moldovian last time I was in Istanbul after Christmas. The pedestrian street is behind Irmak beerhouse/restaurant on the main street heading to the coast Yenikoy. There are 8-10 restaurants next to each other and you can see the girls sitting outside. I went in one and after having ordered a drink, realized that the girls sitting outside were actually serving the customers next door. Damn! After finishing my drink (can't get a perfectly good drink to waste, can you?) and paying up, I moved next door and assessing the talent made eye contact with another Moldovian. I bought her a drink and made chit chat for a few minutes.
She was apparently not working that day and dropped in for a few minutes to see her friends. Anyway, she did not turn me down and agreed to come down to the hotel for 2 hours for USD 50. We took a cab and had no hassles at the hotel. But I guess getting a girl who dresses casually and not flashy would be useful.
In the room we chatted for quite a while and ate the fruits she had bought to take home.
In bed, her service was almost a perfect GFE. She was really into it and enjoying herself. Needless to say that I enjoyed myself very much as well. I got her phone number to call back at night.
At about 8, we took a cab and I dropped her home and I went on to my dinner engagement. I hooked up with friends and had a perfect fish dinner on the bosphorous. By the time I was finished it was already 1 am and Valentina's phone was turned off.
I took a cab to go to Aksaray to check out Serenda and Europa. First port of call was Europa. Both of these joints are practically walking distance to each other but I chose taking cabs as I did not want to take my chances in the back streets walking. Anyway Europa is a nice little club. There were about 25-30 guys sitting around the joint with about 10-12 male waiters and 2-3 Russian looking waitresses. The level of service is bloody annoying to say the least. Every time a waiter walks by asks you a question or two and then gives you a napkin or rearranges the table. They bring you fruit plates without ordering and you have to be careful watching the bill. There were 4 or 5 Russian looking girls. None was beautiful and all were oversized. The place is poorly lit with red lights on purpose and if you are drunk you could end up with a dragon. I am not sure if it was a typical night but I would not go back there myself. The bill was about 20 mil for nothing. Very poor girl/monger ratio with low quality stock and annoying service.
After Europa, I went to Serenda. Contrary to Europa, Serenda was packed. It was an uphill struggle to find a seat. Cover charge is 20 mil, which includes first drink. I sat at the same table with some Arabs. The modus operandi is to watch the dance floor and go up there to make contact. Girls are a bit better quality here with a range between 4's to 7's or 8's depending on your taste and how much you have drunk!. I talked to 3 girls. They were all Russians and asking price was USD 100 for the night. However, all action takes place at the hotel upstairs. None was even willing to consider coming to my hotel. I guess if you were a regular, things may be different. I decided to head of to my usual restaurant scene after having realized I wasn't going to get anything unless I rented another room upstairs which I wasn't willing to do. I took another taxi but found out the places were all closing. It was 3 am by this time. I wanted to check Bacardi but the taxi driver said it was way too expensive and not really worth it. He also warned strictly against the pimps who approach you on the streets. Apparently, violence, mugging, spiked drinks and inflated bills are the SOP for these crooks. Beware!
I ended up in my room alone and after a few hours of sleep headed off to the airport to catch my flight to UK. I will be back next weekend and want to stay longer meeting up with LE, Bunny and Cossack. Local expertise and guidance may the key to a more successful trip to Istanbul.
Overall, I did enjoy spending the day and wish I could have hooked up with Valentina after my dinner.
As for next weekend, I will be in Istanbul on Friday 11th of July and will be leaving on Saturday the next day heading off to Ankara. I am all booked up and ready to rock'n roll. This time I hope we can all meet up. I will be at the Holiday Inn lobby at 8 pm for sure but maybe in earlier than that. I will confirm on Wednesday by private email.
Cheers everyone…

Bunny Hopper: I got ur SMS, thank you. As aggreed, we will meet in the lobby at 20.00 on Friday night. Which Holiday Inn is it you booked ? There are apparently two in Istanbul.

NC: What a pitty, you seemed to have come to Istanbul for "nothing" :-)

I hope we will have more action next Friday and Saturday.

Although I have never been to Europa, I can picture your expirience very well. Also it has been quite a while that I have been to Serenda, so I hope my last expirience won't be spoiled by the current status quo.......

I believe Cossack, as the sole real "local expert" for Istanbul, will be able to show us the "up-to-date" action.

We have to cancel our Ankara meeting, since I will be in Istanbul all weekend.

See you guys there - L.E.

Guys.. Who are these women with Italian names? Valentina, Sylvia, Daniela..? Am I missing on something important? :-)

All apologies for my stupidity, now I've figured who Daniela would be. Still no idea about the others though. I would still like some information about those ones.

Cossack, is it ok if I call her and tell her I got her number from you? Should I speak English or should I speak Turkish with her? Does she do Greek and how much would she cost me for an hour and/or overnight?

Oh and that Demirköy... It's walking distance to where I am right now. I know it's not meant for Turkish people but I could show them my Canadian I.D. and speak English with a Canadian accent and get in (I think..) or I could simply put someone in between. BUT, is it worth it? How much do the girls usually cost and what would their rating be regarding the looks department?

Thanks in advance for the info.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cossack
[i]I forgot...NoC Demirkoy is still open, and I was there on Wed, you know bored and just drove in for a drink. The quality has gone down a bit since last summer, but I picked up a hottie called Daniela from Romania, and had a good time for all! Not the best in the looks (5/6 with nice firm tits and a ROOOUUUUND ass). Unlike all our fellow posters, me included, this girl does it all and happily. I would dare to say that she is one of the few girls who ENJOY their work, and as I said even though she ain't the hottest tamale in town, she is worth EVERY penny, I got her # and asked hr if I could post it...of course she as any other sane business person is up for free advertisement!!!! So here it is, +90-533-244-6076. When y'all call tell her you got her # from her friend in Kemerburgaz..me! That's all

Take care, lock and load, suit up, and enjoy the ride!

Cossack

PS what is up with ALL you guys I meet while mongering? You are all just lurking about reading but not contributing! Lets us tell our fellow sickos how good Istanbul REALLY is! Get a name, password, and wirte in you assholes!

Later! [/i][/QUOTE]Hi Cossack , is Demirkoy Hotel the one near Atakoy Marina or are you talking about the ranch like place past Kumburgaz app. 50 mi. drive west of the AÝRPORT.

For your info I stopped by Demirköy hotel last night and the place was empty around 12:00, went back at 1:00 there were about 15 chicks averaging 5/10 in looks and cosmetics.

Just had a coffee and watched.CC is 15 mio and as I was leaving around 1:30 there were girls being bussed in and they certainly looked better like 6,7 .Can anyone tell me if you can take the girls out to go to your place or do you have to use the hotel for horizontal purposes. I will definitely try the place out again soon.

Cuesta,
You are absolutely right. We regular visitors to the IStanbul area need to keep our fellow readers informed as to what they are missing. I'll be back trolling soon and plan to bring along a camera this time. We need to get a Turkey section going!

I've been to the clubs and HATE paying for over priced drinks for an hour until I select the woman I want. Daniela sound wonderful. I'll give her a ring. The next time you are in Istanbul, consider calling Alexsandra - 90-536-883-7698 She is a petite Ukrainian blond. She spent the night with me for $150. A beautiful and very willing sex slave!

Enjoy.

Here is my version of BunnyHopper's, No_Commit's and my mongering-weekend in Istanbul:

To put it bluntly: I was fairly disappointed compared to the experience I had about 18 months ago.

We met at the Holiday Inn at 20.00 on Friday night, where BH and NC booked their rooms. I stayed at a friend's house, so I got there by taxi. Both have already been in Aksaray during the afternoon where they picked up 2 chicks, so we were 5 people in NC's room and had a quick beer. NC made sure that his needs will have been satisfied for his entire stay and booked his chick for 2 days for a total of 150 USD.

After our beer, we left NC's chick at the hotel and brought back BH's chick to a restaurant in Aksaray where BH picked her up prior in the afternoon. These restaurants (about 6 in a row) are located in a side street, you can eat there and pick up a girl (mostly from the CIS) for desert.

We then headed to a small, but clean restaurant for dinner to prepare ourselves for the night. I think the bill was around 30 million TL for the 3 of us.

After dinner, we first went to Bacardi had a beer and checked the stock available. The girls were gorgeous and definitely the best looking ones compared to all other clubs we checked out later. Since I had bad experience in Bacardi the last time I was in Istanbul (expensive girls, rip-off, etc.) we moved on to Serenda after our beers (I think it was 10 million each plus a rip-off of 10 or 15 million for these stupid fruits and nuts). On the way I suggested to check into some small bars to (maybe) find a good place which was not mentioned on this board before, but they were only crap.

Serenda was the place where I was woken up from my dreams of a great night. It has changed a lot from my last trip to Istanbul. The entrance fee is now 20 million TL which includes a drink and some "meze" (= fruits, nuts, etc), the beer is 5 million. The place was packed with local men but there were only around 10 girls. We arrived there early (I would say 22.00 or 22.30) but could still only get a table behind a column that supports the ceiling between the dance floor and the tables, so we couldn't really see the chicks on the dance floor. I protested and wanted to sit at the bar, but these waiters (= wankers) made a problem about that. There were other tables available, but if you wanted to sit there, you had to buy a bottle of Turkish Whiskey for 100 million TL, which we were not willing to do. I asked one waiter why the place was so empty regarding girls and he told me that since it was the weekend and summer, the majority of the chicks is either working in Antalya or has been booked prior by local Istanbulians for the entire weekend. This statement was true for all bars in Aksaray. When we came to Serenda, all the girls were sitting at tables and the dance floor was empty. About 10 minutes later the started to dance for 5 minutes and we could get a glance at the stock. Nothing really exiting to be honest. After that, there was a dance show by 2 dancers (not nude though) followed by 2 others. We drank our beer in Serenda and left for Chicago Bar.

At this place, there was a live singer and some girls at tables. We just had a look and left without ordering anything.

I think we went to one or the other bar after Chicago, sat down, paid horrendous bills for our beers and fruits and decided to go back to Bacardi. Back there, we had another drink and checked the stock at the dancefloor in detail. There were really very hot chicks dancing and NC invited one to our table while BH and me went onto the dancefloor to get a closer look. I fancied an oriental looking one but got disappointed when I took a closer look. Back at the table I asked NC's girl about the prices and she confirmed 200 USD for the night. Now.... "the night" in Bacardi seems to mean "a huge bill of about 10 million for your drink, another 10 million for this fruits platter, I think 30 million for her foxglove of water, tips to every idiot on your way out to the taxi and one screw in your hotelbed. BH will come to the details in his report soon. Having had bad experiences in Bacardi the last time I was there, I decided to split up from the group and went back to Serenda. This place was as disappointing as it was some hours before. I got a seat at the bar finally, but the stock was terrible and due to the majority of men in Serenda, the prices must have rose a lot. I chatted up this Romanian chick on the dancefloor (a 6 on my scale and in no way comparable to the hotties from last year). She offered me 150 USD, which I told her was impudent and said that I would not pay more than 150 million. She agreed finally and we went to the reception. This hotel was booked out, so they put us on the waitinglist and sent us to the roof restaurant, where about 5 other couples were waiting for a room as well. When I looked at her under "normal light" I started doubting my decision to spend the night with her, she was only a 4,5. On top of that she expected me to buy her food or a drink and told me I was "cimri" (= cheap) when I said "no". Now, whenever I hear a chick in Turkey calling me "cheap" I get the real meaning. These girls wanna finish you off for a high price and do their best to get back down to the bar/disco/home. When she then told me that she was Romanian, which she translated as "no head", "no anal" and "no this" - "no that", I had enough, left her up there and went out. Thank God I hadn't paid her anything yet.

I headed back to Chicago where the singer had gone and several chicks and men were dancing. I shared a table with a Turk who told me the same story (summer, weekend, good girls all gone). This place is a rip-off ! Although they have a pricelist at the entrance stating 5 million for your beer, they still charge 35 million for your first "set" of a beer and these really annoying fruits. God, I have not had that much vitamins in one night for ages....... :-(

Now listen, if they do the same thing to you, just dont pay !!! Dont let these assholes fuck you !!! Go to the front desk, call the manager, show him the "5 million sign" on the price list and refuse to pay more than that. Of course he will tell you stories, but just tell him to call the police then. In that stage they usually get scared and let you go, but won't let you in again. So I left, and wanted to try my last chance at Europa.

Well that place was empty, about 10 guys and 10 girls, Russian waitresses and not so loud as the other places were. Same story here, beer 5 million, starter set 20 million. I told the waitress to bring me a glass of water for 5 million and refused the fruits. She came again with nuts and other stuff, but I directly sent that back. It must have been around 3.30 and I was tired and horny, so I called an oriental girl from Kazakistan over to my table. She looked pretty good for that time, about 7 on my scale, but was already drunk and started kissing and fingering me in the bar. I agreed on 150 million for the night, got her a drink (30 million LT) and took her home. She was a wild cat; got directly undressed after I closed the door to the flat I was staying in and started sucking me (not very good though) in the hallway. She had nice tits and a very soft skin. Her name is Zhanar. I opened a can of beer for her and then we went to bed. She was asking me for cocaine !!!!! :-(( and told me how great this stuff is supposed to be, but that' s not my cup of tea. I had her twice, no anal, and got really tired at around 5.30, so I called her a cab and went to bed.

As a summary I must say: It was a very expensive evening, many girls with attitudes, not really what I had thought of and experienced before. I will try the same route on a weekday in winter, until that I will do more research in Ankara.

BH and NC... it was a pleasure to meet you, you are both nice guys and we should repeat our trip when its rainy and colder in Turkey.

Our beloved friend Cossack did unfortunately not show up, although this weekend was his idea and he confirmed to meet us at the Holiday Inn.

Loser :-)))))) .... but you didnt miss anything.

I saw NC in Ankara on Sunday evening, this experience will be posted soon in he Ankara section.

istanbul weekend july 2003

present: bunnyhopper (bh) , no_commit (noc) and local expert (le).

this is my report on the weekend from my point of view. you will also read over the next few days reports by noc and le. i hope you guys find that interesting because you will read three view points of the same situations. perhaps it will tell you something about the differing outlooks we have on mongering !

day 1:

came into istanbul via air france (uk to paris to istanbul). i will avoid travelling with air france in the future. the plane was delayed from the uk to paris and i was rescued by british airways ! when i got to cdg, af staff told me the check-in was closed ! having said, that they did frantically make phones to try to re-open the check-in and get me on-board. they did succeed, but only after nearly giving me ¡§kittens!¡¨... the other thing which i did not like too much about cdg was that to get between terminals you have to take an onsite bus¡k. ! i guess i was feeling rather stressed because i knew i would struggle to make my connection. it may come as no surprise also that my return flight from cdg was also delayed. i don¡¦t think i will fly air france again.

anyway arrived at istanbul ataturk and around 3:00 pm, faced the usual gauntlet of the turkish immigration officers !!!! the film midnight express running through my mind ļ

went outside and got on the holiday inn shuttle service that was already outside, nicely timed. check in was very easy and the hotel lay out lends itself very well to mongering (read on below). room was usd 46.75 plus 18% local tax. they gave me a twin room with two double beds !!!!

4:00 pm, met noc in the lobby. we brought ourselves upto speed and then walked over to the neighbouring crowne plaza to use the facilities. nice hotel if you are in istanbul for a genuine reason ļ

we grabbed a cab and went to aksaray. this was the first time that i had been to aksaray in the day time. it looked like a pretty normal area. many people, couples, families, regular shops, ¡k.. lot¡¦s of hussle and bussle.

we went to the irmak restaurant. the address is mesihpasa cad, ihtisapagasi sok no 11/a. tel: 0212 518 50 52 (one of the waiters gave me his business card).

for those of you familiar with barcardi club. imagine you are inside bacardi and step outside. you then cross the main road infront of you, turn left and then take the first right turn you come to about 5 ¡v 10 metres. go up this right turn another 5 metres and irmak is either on your left or right along pedestrian road. it is a restaurant with many chairs and tables outside ¡v in the daytime, this part of aksaray is very open and safe.

noc was familiar with the place as he had been there before, he also speaks fluent turkish ! we sat down and ordered a cola, beer and some squid. there was about five or six girls at the table in front of us ranging from 0 to 6. as we sat eating and chatting, two girls walked by and sat down at the table in front of us with the other girls. one caught my eye, she was tall, slim, dark blonde with a nice ass.

noc and i kept chatting for after about ten minutes, trying to get a good look at the girls as the got up and went to the toilet. (otherwise you would not be able to see their bodies !)

i decided that i wanted to have this girl. her name was oluiba (spelling ??) from moldova.

we beckoned the waiter and he took us inside the restaurant (up until this point we were seated at the tables outside). she came in and we ordered a coke and vodka for her and started to chat.

this girl was fresh, had just been in istanbul 2 days and spoke no english or turkish and did not know aksaray too well either. we struggled to communicate. at this point noc telephoned valentina (see his previous posting dated 07-06-03)

valentina spoke to luiba about the deal i wanted and then oluiba went outside and got another girl that spoke turkish to come inside. this other girl spoke to valentina, i guess telling her that she was familiar with noc and what we were cool. oluiba wanted usd60 to come back with me to the holiday inn for about 2 hours and we would then drop her back off at irmak - we paid the usd60 to this other girl. we stayed for about half an hour i guess, had some coffees too and then left. the restaurant bill was i think 38million. i am not sure as i was running a tab with noc as he spoke turkish and we were thus less likely to be overcharged.

the deal was also that we pick up valentina from her hotel on our way back to the inn (valentina was for noc).

we picked up valentina, and immediately i noticed that oluiba perked up. i guess until this point she was perhaps nervous. having valentina along was good idea. i guess they feel safer in pairs.

we got back to the inn at about 6:00 pm. noc went to his room with valentina and i went off to my room with oluiba.

the holiday inn lends itself very well to guests. the accommodation blocks have separate entrances so you don¡¦t have to walk through the lobby/reception. this was a good thing also for when the girl leaves.

anyway, once in the room, we sat down and got some drinks from the mini bar. she drank vodka and i drank cola ! we tried to chat for a bit and then i suggested a shower. we both stepped in together.

this was really very nice, she washed me all over and even shampooed my hair and i did the same to her. she was very relaxed now and quite playful.

we dried off and jumped on the bed, touching and exploring her body. did this i guess for about 10-15 mins. then i started to finger her, this was went i noticed how wet she was ! i couldn¡¦t believe it. i have never been with a hooker that seemed to get turned on. she was so wet and warm down below, like when you are with your girlfriend/wife.

we did the deed, she was nibbling my ears, biting my lips and tongues and biting my nipples. she was really good, it felt like i was with my girlfriend. we carried on for about 15-20 mins in different positions, she seemed to like it cowgirl style ¡v before i shot my load doggy style.

she seemed really disappointed, i asked what¡¦s wrong and she said gestured that she would have liked me to carry on longer for her to orgasm too.

wow ! i thought, she was really up for it ¡v i understood why she was so wet down below. had i stopped and thought about her pleasure for a moment, i would have timed my orgasm after hers ¡v with hindsight, that would have been something ¡v to feel her pussy contract as she orgasmed !

we fell to the bed, and had a smoke and carried on drinking for a bit before another quick shower. i was mindful of the time as local expert (le) was due to arrive about 8:00 pm. at no point did i feel under time pressure from her. she may have stayed or hours more.

anyway had another blistering round with her. it was a bit too soon after the first round though, but the sex was really good. again so much enthusiasm and it felt real too me.

we had another quick shower and gain she washed me, paying attention to my privates and again shampooing my hair.

i had not yet unpacked, so i did so then and called room service to bring me and iron and ironing board. they did so.

when it arrived, i asked her to iron my shirt - which she happily did as i spent my time gelling my hair, splashing on cologne¡k.etc.

what a little treasure i had stumbled across. !

8:00 pm went to noc¡¦s room with luiba and was greeted by valentina. noc was down in the lobby to get le.

valentina ordered a few beers. noc¡¦s room was pretty nice, nice sun terrace/patio looking out over the harbour.

then noc and le arrived, we drank beer and chatted ¡v the three wise men had assembled ! we chatted and decided on a plan for the evening.

we agreed the three of us would take oluiba back to irmak and do a tour of the joints and valentina would stay in the inn for noc¡¦s return.

we grabbed a cab and it was i guess around 9:00 by the time we got back to irmak. noc commented to me that he thought oluiba looked disappointed to go. i guess it makes sense to me now about her, she was still new to the game, not hardened up yet and hence still into the gfe ¡v i did treat he well and with kindness and it paid dividends for me.

irmak was far more busy now, lots of girls outside. the next to irmak are perhaps 5 or 6 other bars and a hotel opposite called bosper hotel (spelling ?) ¡v more on that later.

many of the girls were really hot ¡v upto 7 ¡v 8 on your taste.

we stopped at a regular restaurant and had our evening meal.

bacardi: - we then went to the bacardi, i guess now 10:30pm ¡¥ish. the girls are best that i have seen anywhere in istanbul. our plan was just to sit and drink and watch for a bit and then go elsewhere. i have a camera phone and i tried to take pictures inside, but it was too dark. these are girls are really fit, dressed to thrill ¡v perfect sun tan¡¦s

i spotted the two girls i had on my previous trips and pointed them out ! including the one with the breast implants !!!!!!!!!!!

we paid up, i can¡¦t recall how much, le & noc may remember ¡v i was still running my tab with noc.

we walked down akasary along the main road, looked into some of the bars but were not impressed. we went into 2 on them including sikago2000 (which gets a mention in the archives somewhere). pretty poor these places, but it was still very early in the evening ¡v few girls not very pretty looking.

{{{{as i am writing this, i have just noticed that le has posted his report, perhaps i am confused about the order in which we visted some of the bars¡k but the facts are the same regardless ¡v even though i was the one that didn¡¦t drink raki !!!}}}}

serenda :- we then walked to serenda, 20 million to get ¡v turkish hyper inflation !!!!.

same old guy at the cash register, same look on his face when he saw me, ¡§you again¡k!¡¨ he must have thought.

as le has said, stock was very disappointing ¡v problem of summer and weekend bookers having taken the best girls already. but again i did spot two girls. that i had on previous trips, including one that was ready to do anal for me at no extra (back then august 2002 ¡v it was usd100 for the night) ¡v try as i might, that night i could not penetrate her arse !!! i left my lube at the hotel ¡v i go prepared now !
i went to the dance floor and asked her if she remembered me ¡v she said she did, but i think she didn¡¦t. i asked her were are all the girls, she said this is it !

le has written already about the arsy waiters. there is one waiter there that i always ask for by name when i am there as he speaks english and gets me a good table without the rip-off whiskey. i asked noc to ask one of the other waiters there if my waiter was there, unfortunaly not working that night !!!

we watched the show, i went on the floor twice to have a good look at the stock. overall, disappointing so we left.

if my memory serves me well, we went back to bacardi then, i think we had already looked at sikago2000 and others. anyway the point is we ended up back at bacardi.

bacardi :- went on the floor a couple of times with le, we saw many girls we would have loved to fuck. i was edging towards deciding on a tall blonde with a perfect tan, silky smooth legs and an ass you could eat all-night long ¡v then noc invited a girl to our table.

her name is olga, she was a drop dead gorgous. she was russian; fair skin, black hair, pigtails and mesmerising green eyes. noc wanted a sandwich (her, him and valentina back at the inn)

olga was undecided on this and had a drink with us and then went back to her table.

le, decided he wanted to head back to serenda and noc decided he wanted to go back and pump valentina ¡v just me left to decide what to do.

i thought in my mind, i have already seen olga at close quarters, so i might as well have her, rather than pick the blonde i was edging towards and go through the whole routine of drinks¡ketc.

olga came back to our table (le had left now) and i asked her how much, she replied 200 euros. i knew this was the going rate, so i agreed. i paid usd200, she wanted paying in the club.

i committed a cardinal sin, i did not ask her how long she would stay or what she would do.

we left, got hassled by the waiter because he wanted a tip (again) noc explained to him that we had already paid a tip at the time le left. we left, i paid 5mill tip to the cloakroom guy. and ignored the guy outside wanting a tip to flag the cab down (just do it yourself and ignore him)

at the inn, noc went off to his room and olga and i back to my own room.

we chatted for a bit, she seemed really nice. even more pretty in proper lighting - she had a vodka out the mini bar. we had quick shower and then we were on the bed.

perfect skin, really long nipples ¡v i enjoyed nibbling those.

the sex was really good, she gave deep throat blowjob, and i fuck her in all positions (no anal) ¡v it was not mechanical at all ¡v it reminds of sex with my girl back home.

the best part was that i finished off in the doggy position with one pigtail in each hand. such a thrill watching her arch her back and that arse shaking about. i shot my load and slumped to the bed.

this is went things started to go wrong. they all have mobile and this mobile kept on ringing. four or five calls in the space of 10-15 mins. one call seemed quite heated, i could hear another person shouting on the other end.

she jumps off the bed and said ¡§i¡¦m leaving¡k.¡¨ i said but you have to stay to the morning. she replied ¡§i never agreed that¡k.¡¨ i knew then of the cardinal sin that i had committed !

she showered, wanted 30mil for cab and the fucked off ¡v leaving me in the lurch.

i sat finishing my drink wondering what to do. the night was still young and i did not feel tired. i considered call noc¡¦s room to see if he wanted to share valentina¡k but i decided against it.

i took a couple of photos (tasteful) of olga with my camera phone, the quality of the pictures are pretty poor, but both le and noc have seen her at close quarters and perhaps can understand why i thought she might be the fuck of the century.

killed the lights and went to sleep.

as a footnote, i should add that on my previous trip. i tooks girls from bacardi on two consequetive nights, both were very good, did all the stuff we agreed and stayed for the time we agreed.

perhaps this evenings experince with olga was a flash-in-the-pan.

it hasn't detered my from visiting on any new trip trip.

DAY 2:

Both LE and NoC were heading off to Ankara today leaving me to my own devices!

In the morning, NoC and I went to Galleria, had tea, settled my tab and looked around. We went to quite an expense cosmetics shop¡K.window shopping! Not for perfumes¡K we were looking the cosmetics girls !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I also bought a couple bought of wine from a supermarket there thinking about my overnight guest!

INHO, Turkish girls are gorgeous. !!

Around midday I had a last beer with NoC and took Valentina¡¦s number thinking if all else fails I could call her in the evening.

At around one o¡¦clock I was back at Irmak. I had a couple of teas and watched the girls. There were 3 or 4 there. But nothing that I fancied. The other restaurants next to Irmak had no girls present at that time. So I went for a wander round some of the back streets to see if I stumbled across any interesting places and saw quite a bit of Aksaray.

I took two picture of the Irmak. One whilst seated the other as I walked way. Again the quality/resolution of the pictures are not very good. But you can see the general scene.

Through the middle of Aksaray is a dual carriage way/main road. On one side of this main road are places like Serenda, Bacardi and Big Pub (mentioned previously on the WSG) ¡V this part of Aksaray is a relative dump. Quite backstreets, the sort of place that would make you cautious at night.

On the other side of Aksaray is Irmak and the regular shops, bars, restaurants¡K.etc.

I was feeling hungry now and wanted to have my afternoon meal. I stopped at a restaurant. Imagine you are in Big Pub and you step out side. Across the road you see a fork in the road and a row of phone booths to the right next to the Fork along with public toilets.

In the middle of this fork is a restaurant. I stopped there as they had tables outside and had a meal (regular prices) and a few beers and Turkish Tea!

When sitting at this place a saw the street action that goes on in Aksaray ¡V there is a lot of it!

Outside this restaurant there are many people just standing around, passing time I guess. And there are many girls. The girls don¡¦t stand on the corner, they are constantly walking about. Perhaps doing a circuit every 10 minutes or so. At first it was hard to spot them, and then it became easier.

There were allsorts. Some really hot girls and others were 40 year olds !!!!

The girls would just walk around, and the Turkish men would just walk along side them and talk. It they struck a deal they all seemed to wonder off in the same direction. I guess a near by hotel or something. I tried to follow one girl; she seemed to look at me then head up aside street. I was curious were there were all going to. I did not follow further as I guess I did not fancy fucking her.

I spent I guess 2 hours at this restaurant, eating, drink, watching the Turkish Mongers at work and taking pictures with my phone.

I was amazed at how open all this is. There are police officers near by (and a police station on the main road half way between Bacardi and Sikago2000), normal people, men, women and families al walking by, completely oblivious to what is happening.

There were allsorts of Turkish guys, ranging from the Maganda type to the business man in a suit to the 16 year old lads trying to lose their cherries!!!

There was one girl that really made me smile. She looks like a normal girl. Little bit of make up, white blouse, an ankle length floral print dress carrying SHOPPING BAGS!

(You know the paper bags with a boutiques name on the side)

The first time I saw her, I just thought pretty Turkish girl. But she was doing circuits and it soon became apparent what she was up to. I couldn¡¦t believe it SHOPPING BAGS!!! What was in those bags I have no idea.

Other girls were wearing very tight jeans and trousers and looked much like the girls in Serenda.

I had now managed to kill a few hours, my belly was full and I wanted to see if the availability at Irmak had improved to wandered back there.

Sat down and looked around. There were more girls there. One caught my eye, very pretty face. I waited until she got up and walked around so I could see her body. She was OK and I thought I¡¦ll have her.

She knew I was looking at her and she tried to catch my eyes a few time. Eventually I let her connect and smiled and beckoned her with my hand over to my table.

She came over and we tried to talk. She spoke almost no English at all and I thought I how am I gonna close this deal ? Her name was Tanya.

She called over one of the waiters from Irmak who spoke English and he acted like a translator.

At first she offered USD50 for 2 hours at a local hotel. I think the Dogan Hotel ???

But I wanted her till the early evening and I wanted to go to the Holiday Inn.

We agreed USD100 for her to accompany be back to the Holiday Inn. She was weary of this and she insisted that she call the cab. That made me very nervous. I tried to insist with the waiter that I flag down a random cab on the main road. But he the girl would otherwise not go. So agreed ¡V and waiting nervously for about 15 mins for the cab to come.

All the negotiations were through the waiter. I paid the drinks bill, I can¡¦t remember how much, but it was fair and the waiter didn¡¦t feel the need for a Tip !!!!.

His name was Sukru (spelling ???)

When it did arrive, it was an old guy driving the cab she seemed to know him and the route he took back to the Inn was familiar. So felt Ok my now.

Back the hotel, no problems getting to my room (separate entrance to residential blocks).

Went in and I thought I am gonna be here with here for 4 or 5 hours so I take my time.

I gave her the room service list and she fancied pizza which I ordered. She also had Vodka from the minibar (have you noticed a trend yet? - they all drink Vodka ! I thought girls drink wine ļ)

We ate, drank vodka and wine for a while, then had shower and then hit the bed.

I took a few phone-camera pictures of her. They don¡¦t do her justice to be truthful.

She was just as good as the other girl from Irmak, Oluiba, and gave a GFE experience and I was satisfied. Did not do a BJ during round one though. (Oluiba did not do BJ either ¡V I guess I could have encouraged her more and she may have done it)

(In my mind this made some of my previous forays at Serenda look rather mechanical with hindsight)

We did it a couple more times, intermingled with bites of pizza, gulps of wine and vodka and trips to the shower and watching Jennifer Lopez shake her ass on MTV! At around 6:30 she called the cab and left at around 7:00 when it arrived.

I asked her to stay on until the morning and offered her a further USD100. She gestured she could and that ¡§mama-san¡¨ would get rough (making a fist a pointing at her face) with her unless she went back. I said to her that I may go to Irmak again at around 8:00 or 9:00 pm that evening.

Her cab arrived and she left in rush leaving her mobile. When I realised she had already left and I went outside thinking she may still be there. I waited a few minutes and she called her own mobile as I was standing outside. The cab came back and I laughed at her and handed her the mobile back. I caught a glimpse of the ¡§mama-san¡¨ sitting in the front passenger seat. Dark skinned woman, maybe Turkish in 40¡¦s maybe 50¡¦s same cab driver.

I went back inside, relaxed for a while and then changed and washed and got a cab back to Aksaray at about 9:00 pm.

I went straight to Irmak and WOW!

There were so many girls there outside Irmak. And now also outside the other restaurants along side Irmak.

Also there is a hotel opposite Irmak called Bosper Hotel (spelling). They too have tables outside with many hot girls and I also noticed many going in and out of the hotel.

Could this be another Serenda type hotel? It needs a Turkish speaking local to volunteer to go an investigate Bosper further.

At my table I had a coke and watch for a while. I was impressed with the girls and the joint (given that I was not inside a night club or bar).

I watched many guys strike deals and walk up the street in the same direction (the direction) Many Bacardi and Serenda quality girls here.

I spotted Tanya again and she smiled at me over 2 or 3 rows of people. She called my mobile a few time from her table and the eventually walked over pecked me on the check and walked back to her table. I thought, now that I am here, I may as well try another girl tonight.

The waiter Sukru was there again. I shook his hand and he asked me how was the girl and I said perfect and he nodded approvingly.

I noticed a sign next to the restaurant that said Irmak Disco. I asked him what time it opens and if it was any good. He said that it kicks off around 11:00pm and that there were many girls there. He said no entrance fee and the drink are around 2 ¡V 3 million for coke or beer.

I said I would return later. He told me to ask for him by name when I returned.

I went back to the restaurant were I had lunch and watched the goings on in the street again ¡V including a big road traffic accident ! Not surprised the way they drive in Istanbul!

Some girls still walking about.

Had a few drinks and this time started chatting to the waiter that served me in the afternoon. I didn¡¦t realise he spoke English.

I had some time to kill before I went back to Irmak so I thought I would go to Bacardi and have a coke ¡V window shop for a while (still toying with the idea of another Bacardi girl !).

I sat at the Bar had a coke and watched for about half an hour. I saw Olga again, dressed the same and seated at the same table. I tried to catch her eye but as I was seated behind her, I did not.

I also saw ¡§The Red Rock¡¨ there again (LE and NoC will know what I mean) !!!

I asked for the bill and the waiter behind the bar told me to relax and stay ¡V I started to worrying, a minute later I asked again and waited more, but still no bill.

Eventually, I understood the delay. The waiter I had asked the bill for was not the one that served me. When the one that did serve came back to the bar, they spoke and he returned with the bill. 17million for a coke ! I gave 20million and walked off.

At Irmak, met Sukru outside, he led me to set of stairs next to the restaurant going up. Irmak Disco was at the top of the stairs. Halfway up the stairs is another disco, and as I walked up the guy from this disco beckoned me in. Sukru said something to him and I walked pass him up to Irmak Disco. Sukru handed me (if this is the right words) to a waiter in Irmak.

I was not impressed. Just two girls at the time 11:30pm ish and maybe ten guys. A few guys dancing but most guys drink quietly by themselves.

Many girls did wonder in for a few minutes and wander back out. I guess most were still seated at the restaurants down below.

By around 1:00pm the place was OK. There were at least 3 girls in there, that based on the looks and body, I would have been happy with. But I waited; I wanted to see more choice.

I little while later, I noticed Oluiba wander in, sit down for literally one minute then wander back out again.

A little latter further Tanya wondered in and I caught her eye and beckoned her over with my hand.

In this place I guess you are free to walk around and chat to the girls ¡V I think they are independent)

I asked Tanya how much for the night and if she would come back to the inn again.

She wrote on a napkin USD80 and gestured she would sleep and pointed at my watch indicating 9 ¡V 10 am.

She ordered a drink, vodka and coke I think and we sat for a while.

She was in the mood to dance and went onto the dance (about the size of Serenda) and boogied with her girlfriends for a while.

Eventually she indicated she felt hot and I suggested we leave.

I asked for the bill and was asked Lira or Dollars? I replied Lira. He said 50 million. I could have protested and called Sukru, but instead I paid the 50mill with no separate tip to the waiter and we walked down stairs flagged a cab and head to the Inn again.

When in the room, we drank a little had shower and then did the deed. Still every bit as motivated a before and seemed to take delight in watching me have an orgasm.

We stayed up a bit, did more stuff, before killing the lights a sleeping till the morning.

Was rudely woken up by the mama-san in the middle of the night. Tanya was still asleep and so ended the call on her mobile.

It did ring again.

But was woken up again by the mama san at round 7:00 am. Both I and Tanya seemed annoyed. She was still in daze half sleepy state. I asked her to stay until after breakfast, but again she gestured they would rough her up unless she complied, which I believed her to be honest, I had no doubt she would like to have stayed (I guess she felt ok with me on the second trip to the Inn).

I called reception and got her a cab and she left and I slept for another hour or two.

Had breakfast, packed, settled the bill, took shuttle to Airport ¡V again to be thoroughly unimpressed by Air France !

On balance I think the 5 ¡V 6 restaurants around Irmak are the place to go. You can have an afternoon girl, or an all-night girl. Good GFE service at reasonable prices and the price downstairs in the restaurants aren¡¦t too bad (given that you will pay a premium almost every place you go), and the girls will come back to your place.

It was good to meet up with NoC and LE, was disappoint that Cossack did not show, I thought he was going to be the Master of Ceremonies for the duration.

Live long and prosper !

BH, LE and NC

Thanks for the reports. I feel sorry that I missed the opportunity of hanging around with you guys. Hopefully next time. In your opinion is Irmak best set up after Bacardi to get quality girls in terms of value? I understand that that I am not the only one who thinks Seranda girls have an attitude problem. Is Valentina good value for money and does she do anal?

Connect

Hey guys thx for sharing your weekend stories.
That "weekend,summer,south" story is partialy true.
As a native citizen i never go out at weekends for hunting as i warned you before.
And i never spent time in crap bars,i always directly go to Bacardi.
Because when you hang around you spent more than just paying for a Bacardi girl..pay this pay that take a cab,tip him tip that ...
as a result you pay more than Bacardi.
Most of the girls went southern Turkey or to their own countries
they always come back by the snow season in Russia or by the rain season in South Turkey..

next time i will try Holiday inn hotel..it sounds good for price and seperate entrance..
good luck everybody..
stockbroker

Got back from Istanbul last week. I Went to the Demirkoy hotel. It was better to go there late as more girls arrive after 11pm, and there were some very nice Turkish ladies. The one I wanted to go with was already occupied .I ended up going with a Natasha for the night for $100 . I do not remember her name, but she was about 5,10 , blond and slim.

On my second night I went to the Barcardi club. I tipped the waiter and he got me a seat at the front next to the stage. He spoke English, and told me the form, and suggested I just tell him which girl I liked and he would call her over. I ended up going with a tall blond for what I thought was the night for $200. She bailed out after 3 hours. Barcardi was good for the visual therapy, but to professional for me. May be it was just my luck. The girl from Barcardi wanted $100 for photos, I just showed her the door.

Rgd's all

Steve

I now see that I am the last of the "three wise men" to post a field report on our outings in Istanbul and Ankara last weekend. Here it goes:

July 10th, 2003 (a day before the agreed appointment date):
Due to unforeseen circumstances, I decided to get to Istanbul from London a day before my plans. Because of the school holidays, changing my reservation was pretty difficult. I was on the waiting list for 3 different flights leaving London on the 10th and I was confirmed on the 11.45 THY (must stand for They Hate You) flight finally on the same morning. The flight was a bit delayed but arrived at the airport safe and sound at around 18.30. I was rushing to catch the shuttle to the hotel but managed to get it in the nick of time. This shuttle service is another great thing for the Holiday Inn. My reservation was made for the 11th at the hotel and they said they were fully booked. So for an additional USD 25 I upgraded myself to an executive room, which turned out to be a very wise decision. Inclusive of all taxes, I paid USD 85 for a night including breakfast, which is about USD 15 anyway. The room was great with a big bed and a small sitting area overlooking the marina and the sea. Fantastic views. The room and the hotel come with a great recommendation from my side. The disadvantage is that you have to get taxis to go anywhere, as Atakoy is almost a suburb to Istanbul proper. The fare to Aksaray is about 9 million TL (about USD 6 at the time of our visit) during daytime and 15 million TL (about USD 10) at night.
After getting to the hotel and settling in my new home for the next few days, I went downstairs to the reception to see whether they had an Ericsson phone charger. I lost my 6th this year so far in UK! Luckily, there are loads of travelers like me and I managed to borrow someone else's who left his in the hotel. This all took less than 35 min including travel time from the airport and I was on the phone to Valentina by 19.05 arranging my evening. You can't beat that.
If you have read my previous report 2 weeks earlier I met Valentina in Irmak during my one night stay on the way to UK. She had my number and tried to contact me while I was in a meeting and wanted to meet up with me on my way back. I told her I was in earlier than planned and was alone. She said she was on her way and asked me to wait for her at the lobby. I went downstairs in about 10 minutes but instead of the lobby waited for her at the Anchor Bar, which is just next to the hotel, and right at the entrance to the block where my room was. Before I finished my second drink, she was already at my table and the time was about 19.30. We chatted for a while, she had a drink as well (peach juice-not vodka!) and we headed for my room.
Valentina is not a stunner. She has very nice eyes and a nice body with a proper hourglass shape at the hips. Her tits are not gravity challenged but not that big (anything bigger than your palm is a waste anyway). However, she could lose a few pounds. She is 30 and has a kid but no stretch marks. I guess she can qualify a 7 on my scale (depending on my mood and how much I drank LOL). The great thing about her was her attitude and friendliness. I value attitude more than looks and you will read that in my Ankara episode later. Another thing worthwhile mentioning is how smooth and soft her skin is. Simply amazing.
We spent an hour simply kissing and fondling on the couch and then moved on to the bed. Due to my personal circumstances at the time, only position I was comfortable with was when she was on top of me. I believe she came before me and the whole session felt like as if we were two lovers meeting up after a long time. She was really into it but I have to add that her BJ technique can be improved but she did it BB.
At about 21.30 we washed up and I took her to the movies in the Galleria complex to see Charlie's Angels. Apparently, it was her first time in Turkey (7 months) and although the movie can simply be classified as shite, we had a blast laughing. At about half past midnight, we were back in our den and hungry as wolves. We ordered room service and ate up on the balcony watching the sea and the boats go by. She had a calamari salad and sea bass with a fruit platter (big enough for an army), and I had smoked salmon, mixed grill platter (which was nothing to shout about) and a Turkish dessert. The bill was slightly less than 60 million (USD 40), which I thought was a bargain considering what we paid for a beer in the bars we visited.
We went to bed quite late and had another shag. Initially, we cuddled up and I thought we were going to sleep but then I kissed her once and she kissed on so it turned out to be a full on shagging session.
As I had a disappointing evening 2 weeks prior (again see my report), after the movies I brokered a 2 day deal with Valentina as my fall back option during the weekend. I paid her USD 50 for the afternoon that day and paid her another USD 150 for the next 2 days. I must have failed to mention that to LE and BH while we were together, so the overall cost was slightly higher but still a worthwhile arrangement in my opinion. I also tipped her on my last morning so she costed me USD 250 altogether.

july 11th, 2003 (d-day)
we woke up at around 8.30 in the morning and she said she had to be back home and dashed away. i was a bit disappointed not to get my morning sex and was left alone with a huge boner in my jocks. i don't know about you guys but i think i enjoy the morning sex better than an night one. anyway, after she left, i hung around the hotel for an hour or so and then went off to town for taking care of some personal business myself.
i was back in the hotel at about 2 pm. i was exhausted so i had my late lunch and had an afternoon nap thinking it would be a heavy night with my much anticipated get together with le, bh and cossack. i called up valentina and told her that i was to meet my friend at about 4 pm and take him to irmak to show him around. i told her i would pick her up on the way back to the hotel if bh also picked someone at irmak.
at about 15.30 i borrowed the phone charger again to juice up my batteries and took it back at about 4 pm. at which time, bunnyhopper was sending me messages to coordinate our get together. we hooked up at 4.10 or so, and i knew immediately this was going to be a good mongering event. i have met with few mongers from the forum and all turned out to be great people. anyway, after a short stopover at the crowne plaza, we headed straight to aksaray to the infamous irmak. we initially scouted that street but found out most girls were resident at irmak. we took up a table outside and ordered a beer for me and a coke for bh together with some calamaris to nibble on. i love calamaris but i am afraid neither bh nor her girlfriend liked them too much. i ended up eating it all. after a chat, and some encouragement, bh wanted to call up on this moldavian chick (luba) and the waiters asked us to move on inside. at that stage we freshened up our drinks and the girl asked for a whisky & coke (not vodka if my memory serves me right). as luba was conversational with neither turkish nor english, i thought perhaps valentina could help us with the deal. i recall bh asking her whether she was available for a few hours and she was mumbling no. i called up valentina and asked her to go between. at that time i had not realized valentina was living with her mom and apparently she was not aware of tina's profession. tina was reluctant to explain in russian so asked luba to call for another girl who spoke turkish. she did the trick and everything was settled. this intermediary girl (must be early 40's with a big momma look) asked for an advance payment of 80 million (usd 60) and i payed up on behalf of bh. we waited for tina to get prepared while we finished up our drinks. i called for the bill and if my memory is not failing me it was about 45 million inclusive of tips (a million or two each for every tom, dick and harry who happened to be there).
once tina was ready, we had a short walk to the main road and caught a cab. on the way to picking up tina, bh said he might need more time and asked me to call le to postpone our appointment to 21 instead of 20. le was hungry and to be fair to him i did not change the time thinking if bh needed more time i could always accompany le for a dinner while bh got rid of her load with this moldavian chick (she had gigantic hands!).
we arrived at the hotel and went to our rooms separately. when i was alone with tina we chatted for an hour or so drinking a couple of beers. it was bizarre, she was treating me as if i was her boyfriend and i was reciprocating. at about 7.30, i called up on bh to see how he was progressing and he confirmed he was going to be available little past 8. i invited them to my room for beers at 8. at that time, we got undressed for a quickie before 8 and finished up missionary passionately. just before 8, i went downstairs to meet up with le and with cossack if he showed up. until that time, there was no word from him so i did not really know what to expect. le was right on time and i took him to my room. cossack never showed up.
the beer arrived a minute after we did along with bh. after a brief chat while the beers lasted, we decided to head off for a dinner. as luba was only a few days old in istanbul i had promised to take her back where we picked her up. we all called for a cab and was in aksaray quite fast but the last few hundred meters was a complete jam which took more than the time it had taken from atakoy to there. we left luba at irmak and i couldn't help notice the crowd. the place was packed with girls ranging from 4 to 8 or 9.
we had our dinner at a corner restaurant with mezes and i followed up on with a lamb roast which was a bit dry but still very tasty. le and i went for raki while bh stuck with cokes. after finishing up my glass i realized i was feeling dizzy already (remember this is after 2 beers in irmak, another 2 in my room and 1 when everyone got together-and i was in no condition to drink anyway). so i decided to stop drinking anything with alcohol and switched to bubbly water.
our first stop was bacardi. the place is definitely the most upmarket joint we have visited that night. the décor actually looks like a nightclub and not a seedy joint. the music is listenable, and the girls are much better looking. we were shown a nice table overlooking the dance floor. we scouted a while of the local talent while having our drinks (this point onwards standard round of drinks includes a coke for bh, a mineral water for me and a beer for le together with "obligatory" mezes). we decided to move on after having finished up our drinks. the damage was 40 million.
next stop was serenda if i am not mistaken. on the way to serenda, we had a look into one of the smaller bars on the same small street as serenda. i can't remember the places name. but le was in front of me walking down the stairs and he turned around after having a peek inside. i never even had a chance to see what was available. having met and trust le's taste now, i can say with great confidence that it was crap. the cover charge in serenda was 20 million each which includes the first drink and the initiation mezes. the place was almost full with mongers and there were about 15 girls hanging about (none dancing). i gave up my seat to le, which at least faced the dance floor since i already had someone waiting for me in my room. after a while, some show started with a couple of girls doing a mediocre job (coming from asia and being a veteran of go-go bars, i can assure you this can only be classified as crap). we decided to move on to other bars.
at this point we popped our heads in sikago2000 (not chicago2000), and there was live music with unbearable sounds. we decided not to sit and funny enough one of the waiters having understood what put us off (or at least me) said the live music was about to finish in 5 minutes. the place looked like any other seedy bar around the world and i saw 5-10 blonde girls from a distance and cannot comment on their quality.
we headed up back to bacardi back again and took a similar quality table. it was about midnight at this stage and things were not looking up for my fellow le and bh (believe me knowing valentina waiting for me in my room was priceless at this stage-lol). le and bh was up at the dance floor scouting when i decided on this russian (olga) who had a very nice body (although a bit short) and a nice smiling face. what prompted my attention was that she was putting her best into her dancing while she was on stage and not just swaying around like some of the girls were. i always respect a woman who does her best whatever she does even as a prostitute. so i called her up to our table and wanted to see if she was willing to go for a sandwich action with valentina. olga said she did not know her and would not be willing so i released her. at that point bh was still having a dance with a beauty and le said he wanted to move on alone. we asked for the bill and it was 120 million including tip!!! damn expensive and the incremental drink to our first visit was olga's whisky. le went back to serenda and i hung around while bh picked someone up as we were going to share a taxi back home anyway.
bh had not made his mind up and asked me whether olga was available. we called her up again and bh striked up his deal in a nano second. on the way out, i had major trouble catching up with bh and olga as this waiter wanted more tips and he was not very subtle with his method either. anyway, i managed to catch up with bh without any additional cost.
one thing that amazed me was olga's comfort with us. remember only half an hour ago, i tried to get her for a sandwich action to my hotel and she refused. now she was leaving the club with bh and me in the same taxi on the way to the same hotel and she was ok with that. if it was me i would have been very suspicious but hey that's me. once we were at the hotel, we split up and i went upstairs only to find tina sleeping. it took me a good part of 5 minutes waiting at the door. anyway once i was inside, i took a shower and cuddled up next to valentina in the bed. i woke her up again and shagged her like there is no tomorrow. i had her twice and first was finished up doggy and her riding on me finished off the second. that was the best sex of the whole weekend. i was steaming horny from all those girls in the bacardi and tina was too damn accommodating. even writing this fr gives me a hard on. yummy!
i must have passed out from exhaustion.

July 12th, 2003 (anticlimax)
Tina woke me up at 8.30 and she dashed off home. She was going to the beach for the day. I slept for a little while longer and had breakfast with BH comparing notes. We then went to Galleria to have a look around. After having tea, we wondered down to the department store and checked out the Turkish girls. Some were really nice looking with excellent bottoms. As I was planning to continue my mongering trip in Ankara with LE the next day and the girls on offer are mostly Turkish, the cosmetics girls wet my appetite.
We went back to the hotel, and sat with BH while I finished off packing, and to my nice surprise found out we were on the same flight to Ankara together with LE. I met him at the airport bar and we went off to our separate ways once we reached Ankara with a promise to get together the following evening for another boy's night out. That will be posted on the Ankara board shortly.

Findings:
1) Bacardi is definitely an upmarket joint BUT not my cup of tea. Paying USD 200 for a girl and USD 100 for the bar tab is unacceptable in my standards. I am not a cheap Charlie but USD 300 is simply way too expensive and not worthwhile, as alternatives do exist.
2) Serenda was a huge let down. Girl quality and availability is under par. And the fact that they do not accompany you to your own hotel is down right inconvenient.
3) Smaller clubs lack the quality and always hit and miss.
4) My favorite place is the Irmak area. Girls are friendly especially during daytime and very accommodating. My advice is get there at 8 or 9 and book for the whole night while in Istanbul. If you have the time do it at 5 or 6. And if you don't see someone you like just hang around and be patient.

Overall, I had a great time while being there. Both BH and LE are great guys and I will be looking forward to meeting up with them again.
Cheers…
NC

no_commit,

I'll be in Istanbul early part of next week. Would you mind sharing the tel no. of Valentina? How does she look like. How much does she cost? My e-mail connect_28@yahoo.com

Appreciate for the help.

Merhaba Local Expert:

Cold you realize your Odessa plans that you mentioned in Ukraine section of this board? I would love to hear about your experiences in Ukraine... Thanks!!!

Dear Puta hunters.

I am 38 and spent my life in this field, knowing 5 languages beed the best help in this field. I Started hunting at the age of 23. My first stop was Istanbul. I have a lot of memories from this city. My best sex happened to be in this city. This is the Euro and Asia connector, for me it was a nice experience. i had good sex in this city not from Puta's. It is very easy to hunt girls in here and have them for the night. try beautiful Russians and you know what I am takling about. I was young at the time. The older people can do it for in many different ways. NEVER EVEN TRY GETTING CLOSE TO A TURKISH GIRL, YOU MAY GET KILLED.

Dear Puta hunters.
I am 38 and spent my life in thies field, knowing 5 laguages beed the best help in this field. I Started hunting at the age of 23. My first stop was Istanbul. I have a lot of memories from this city. My best sex happened to be in this city. This is the Euro and Asia connector, for me it was a nice experience. i had good sex in this city not from Puta's. It is very easy to hunt girls in here and have them for the night. try beautiful Russians and you know what I am takling about. I was young at the time. The older people can do it for in many different ways. NEVER EVEN TRY GETTING CLOSE TO A TURKISH GIRL, YOU MAY GET KILLED. This is a Muslim country and locals are crazy and easily beat you up for sexual matters.

Lets start with the ***** house, you can get it for as little as $6.00 in taksim Square, They call it Karkhaneh. I personnaly did not like it, got there, after spending a few minutes around, I decided not to go there.

The easier one is spending time in your hotel lobby, this is my favorite. After a few hours sitting there, you find out what is going on, most likely there is a pimp around! make sure that your valuables are in a safe box. The house keepers may do the 5 finger discount! NEVER EVER LISTEN TO THE GUYS ON THE STREET OFFERING GIRLS AND DRUGS, REMEMBER THE MIDNIGHT EXPRESS, IT IS TRUE.

I have personally seen lots of guys being ripped off going with thouse guys off the street. They drug you easily and the police does not protect you!

Do not accept the offers from strangers, they make up stories and police is probably watching . you end up paying bribes and getting nothing.

If you check in a hoyel, expect somr girls knocking on your door, get them in and have fun, do not get more than one girl at the time, and always keep the valuables at the counter.

Taxi drivers rip you off easily. Make sure that you know the distance between points A and B not to be ripped off.

With all the warning I gave you, it worth to try Istanbul. Follow common scence.

Have fun

Mashtee USA

Hedonist:

There have not been detailed reports on the Odessa section of this board, but there have been on a German board which I frequent as well. I have been told details by some German guys who have been to Odessa recently and they all said that it was not really worth it.
I believe, it is easier and cheaper to screw ex-soviet chicks in Istanbul, rather than getting a visa, a health insurance, etc, etc, for the Ukraine.

So, I didnt go there, but I am planning a trip to Kenya in winter, since the reports about that country have been positive on nearly every board....... and you can say nothing against € 30,- for an all-nighter with a 1,80m photomodel :-)

Hi folks,

Does anyone know any other massage parlour than Nadide which operate like it, preferably in the European side? And what are the current prices like?

I visited Nadide (in the Nisantasi area) last week. Entrance is 50 million lira (= $35), which is only for a standard massage of 30-40 min, followed by a hand job. Inside is a cosy and relaxed atmosphere, where you're served tea or a softdrink of your choice from the house. On the phone, they claimed to have 15 girls, but were only 7-8, aged between 25-40, mostly 6-7s, with only one 9, who unfortunately left few minutes later than I was there.

Some girls speak a poor english, some don't at all. But fine, who cares ?

I got into a room with a fake blonde turkish girl, Sybell, 7 in rating, big butt, firm breasts, thick belly!. She asked to be tipped and told me that she would act comfortable (!). I tipped her a 20 million and she started massaging. once we got finished with the massaging and moved on to the handjob, she said she could do BJ for another 20 million. Agreed. No undressing. But you could touch her breasts, ass and the pussy if you could find your way through her unzipped pants!

andddd: BBBJ with CIM ;) Was decent enough for the price.
We chatted for a while afterwards, and she said fucking is not allowed in the premises, and she wouldn't do it, but I could still check with other girls once I'm in the room with the girl the next time I'm there.

Overall, not a fascinating place but was definitely worth the money.

Hi Mattador,

Thanks for the price update. It'd be nice to know also whether there are any other places than just Nadide, if any form member has been.

One more thing I'd add to mattador's report is that, the girls always tell that fucking is not allowed in the premises, however it is naturally possible if you know "how to ask". Usually you can get to fuck the girl at your second visit (i.e. to the same girl, once you are familiar). Always remember to ask the girl's name if it is your first visit. Then when you go there next time you can choose any girl you want and say to her (in the room) "I visited 'X' last time, and now I hope you can do something extra". Then she'll be confident that you are not a LE but a real client.

The other and more direct way is when you two are alone in the massage room, say to the girl "I don't want a massage" and pay a tip her the same amount as the entrance fee ( for example if you paid $35 as the entrace fee, then pay her $35 even before she demands a tip). This is kind of a "password" for what you are expecting, i.e. what else would you want to get if you don't want a massage? :) They'll agree it and start directly fucking without a massage. The session includes BBBJ ( + CIM if you are lucky) and sex with condom. The girl won't undress totally, as she'll want to recover quickly if there is an inspection or something, but you can play with her breasts, butt nad pussy. Personally I like it better when a girl is not totally naked.

To conclude, it will cost around $70 in total. It may sound pricey when you can spend the whole-night -all-you-can-eat with a Russian chick, but it is a question of taste and it is worth trying.

You don't have to make any plans or calls in advance, just show up at the door.

Last week I went to Irmak restaurant at around 9:30pm. It was very busy where the girls / hunter ratio was around 30%. Spent almost 2 hours mainly eating and chatting to other guys sitting at the same table. It was not possible to move between tables and the waiters try to circulate girls between tables but without much success. At the end could not spot anything impressive and moved to an other restaurant just down the road with some Russian alphabet written name. Apparently all the girls in Irmak and other restaurants on that street are from Russia, Ukraine or Moldavia, no Romanians. The waiters said that there was so much complaining about Romanian girls that the restaurants do not allow them to work anymore. I picked up a Russian. It was difficult to convince her to go to my hotel. She took $100 for all night. However, she was very mechanical and I sent her away after 2 hours. Next time I will try Irmak at an earlier time to see whether the hunter crowd is less.

no_commit I would still appreciate some info on Valentina if you don't mind to share since I could not find anything impressive at Irmak to meet up next time.

Good luck to all hunters

Connect

Hello Friends:

It seems to me that everyone here wants a Turkish chick but have these ridiculous fears about getting their weeners chopped off if they make a move. Let's face it, women are women, Turkish or non-Turkish. As a person who is part Turkish part American I can tell you that Turkish chicks really dig foreigners. The problem is if you rush them, it won't work. You can't look at most Turkish chicks for a quick hop in the sack. They are an investment, it might take weeks, but eventually they'll put out. And yes, they are crazy horny, at least the ones I hooked up with.

But anyways, what I am really looking for is some information on good solid escort in Istanbul. And this is why I need it: I don't have weeks to woo them. So any info will be appreciated.

Also what's with these cosmetics girls? Do they put out fast or something? Does being around Loreal and Maybeline make them go slutty? ;)

Thanks

Connect_28

A bit of a shame that your experience at and around Irmak was not better - i am sure it is the "pot-luck" effect.

During the weekend in July, the talent was quite good - but we were there on a weekend, I don't know if that makes a difference to this level of girl/type of joint.

Did you see the Hotel across the road from Irmak ?
Any action there ? Suss it out ?

Also check your private email.

Mattador,

Does Nadide still have a sign outside it on the main road ?

Dear Connect,
Please refer to my previous posts on Valentina re her looks, cost, and services. I don't keep her number any longer but you can ask for her if you are in Irmak again. I believe she is a veteran there. You don't actually have to stick with one joint on that street. Best to walk up and down once eyeing the talent while ignoring the touts outside. Once you fancy someone then go in for the kill. There are at least 10 similar places on that tiny pedestrian street. Good luck...

Mr. Bunnyhopper,
A very warm hello to you. I am back at the salt mines as of today!

Dear Cossack, and everybody else,

I have been reading the forum avidly, and enjoy the info very much, I do travel to Istanbul from New York City very regularly, and I will be there again as of Aug 6th. I have been to Bacardi and Serenda in the past, and were not terribly impressed. Though this mysterious location in Kumburgaz sounds terrific, and will have a car available to me in Istanbul, so would very much like to check it out, if anybody interested together. So I do need the info on how to reach this location. If anybody could help, will be grateful.

Thanks.

Novice

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BunnyHopper

Mattador,

Does Nadide still have a sign outside it on the main road ? [/i][/QUOTE]BunnyHopper,

Yes, Nadide has a sign that reads: Nadide & Enjoy, with 2 phone numbers.

Sorry guys, I don't have the no's with me now, but can post them later. Anyway, I'm sure you can just walk in without any reservation. It's either on the first or second small street on the right once you've passed the Valikonegi & Rumeli street junction coming from the Taksim area.

There's no indication from outside or from the sign that it's a massage parlor though. just walk up the apartment building and ring the bell that reads Nadide.

I'm not aware of any other similar sort of places in Istanbul.

I will be visiting Istanbul for a week in September. Where is this 'Irmak' area? How do I get there?

I prefer to try and find Russian women (both working and the regular kind), as I speak a bit of Russian. Any help will be appreciated.

hi
this is my third attempt to post a message, and nothing seems to be coming up in the forum, what is going on???
novice

Hey Novice...
Take TEM by car (trans europe motorway,kind of turnpike) when you get "Marmara Eregli Toll station" take Kumburgaz exit.Then you reach Kumburgaz but i have no information about that farm which i am concerning too..Kumburgaz is a suburban,kind of summer city.Marmara sea is on your left side driving to Kumburgaz

Street sleuth...
You must find Laleli or Aksaray first..They are next to each other..
There goes a manin road from Aksaray to sea side.When you walk down the main road ,Laleli area is on your left side whole block...irmak is on that street on the left side while walking to sea direction..
Dont pass the railway bridge...
bye..
stockbroker

Dear COSSACK,

I am planning a visit to Kumburgaz area coming week, and I am very eager to pay a visit to this place in Kumburgaz. Please reply me and let me know the details of this place.

e-mail: mert2964@hotmail.com

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Thanks

street sleuth,

let me try to put the rep001tered pieces of information about the street/bar scene a bit more into system. (unfortunately i haven't been in istanbul for a couple of months, so my geographics is a bit whacky by now.)

the main artery in the action area is mustapha kemal cad. it connects the biggest (and ugliest) road junction in town with the seashore. it is located in the yenikapi neighbourhood, a narrow sliver of blocks sandwiched between laleli and aksaray. (this is important because there's a street of almost the same name in aksaray, and taxi drivers tend to get confused.)

if you start from the junction and walk toward the sea:

1) irmak is a small street on your left (first or second street) full of innocent-looking street cafes.

2) the (in)famous bacardi club is in a shopping mall to your right on the first part of the steet. there's a diminutive sign outside, the club is in the basement.

3) toward the end of the street there are some music bars to your right ("muzikhol" in turkish). some of them are rip-offs, but the slightly seedy big pub is actually good value, especially in the late afternoon.

4) there is some street action on mustapha kemal itself, but it is not organised: it seems largely confined to girls who otherwise work in muzikhols.

on the area more generally:

the area west of mustapha kemal (or to your right, as you walk down the street) is full of muzikhols, some of them "honest", some of them rip-offs. the neighbourhood is dominated by shops selling car parts and other items to russian suitcase traders, but there are plenty of inconspicuous little places as well. expect to pay 10-15 dollars for drinks; 50 dollars to the girl (1-2 hours); 30-40 dollars to a hotel of her choice (some but not all will go to your place).

on rip-offs:

turks are quite self-ironic people, and unless you run into hardened criminals (they are more common in the streets than inside the muzikhols) they consider their little rip-off tricks as "outsmarting" rather "robbing" you. you can get a long way by simply smiling and saying you will have nothing of that. reject the most outrageous tricks outhand (e.g. ask you to pay for a full buffet for having eaten a few nuts); negotiate about the others (e.g. if the lady drink turns out to be 10 times normal price, smile and say, "look, i'll give you one xx dollars, and no bones will be broken"). it works every time - but keep smiling, to them it's a game and righteous anger works against intentions.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by stockbroker
[i]Hey Novice...
Take TEM by car (trans europe motorway,kind of turnpike) when you get "Marmara Eregli Toll station" take Kumburgaz exit.Then you reach Kumburgaz but i have no information about that farm which i am concerning too..Kumburgaz is a suburban,kind of summer city.Marmara sea is on your left side driving to Kumburgaz

Street sleuth...
You must find Laleli or Aksaray first..They are next to each other..
There goes a manin road from Aksaray to sea side.When you walk down the main road ,Laleli area is on your left side whole block...irmak is on that street on the left side while walking to sea direction..
Dont pass the railway bridge...
bye..
stockbroker [/i][/QUOTE]

Dear Stockbroker,

By now we all know how to get to Kumburgaz , is this ranch like place on the road to Silivri , on the right hand side ,any peculiar signs to spot the place any name for this hotel.

I will appreciate if you could let us know.

I have been there last week there is a hotel past downtown Kumburgaz on the right hand side with a parking lot and a restaurant.Babes were 5-8 and I was told that in order to enter the disco you have to be a couple.

If any expertise in this field please advise.

Dear Folks,

I know Kumburgaz area very well and I would really like to learn this famous place as well. If you can describe me the place, I can give you the exact name of the hotel. Here are some names which can help you to remember that particular hotel:

Princess Hotel Kumburgaz: Largest one in that area. Probably this is not that hotel

Marin Hotel: A 3 star hotel very close to Slivri area, just 6 km.

AquaClub Hotel: A gay friendy hotel in Kumburgaz area. This may be the one....

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mahatma
[i]Dear Folks,

I know Kumburgaz area very well and I would really like to learn this famous place as well. If you can describe me the place, I can give you the exact name of the hotel. Here are some names which can help you to remember that particular hotel:

Princess Hotel Kumburgaz: Largest one in that area. Probably this is not that hotel

Marin Hotel: A 3 star hotel very close to Slivri area, just 6 km.

AquaClub Hotel: A gay friendy hotel in Kumburgaz area. This may be the one.... [/i][/QUOTE]
I dont know but isn't the purpose of the forum to provide info on women friendly hotel and not gay friendly>

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bono
[i]I dont know but isn't the purpose of the forum to provide info on women friendly hotel and not gay friendly> [/i][/QUOTE]I think there is a misunderstanding, I am not trying to advertise the gay-friendly hotels in Kurmburgaz area, I am just trying to help to those who would like to visit that FAMOUS hotel in Kumburgaz. And, interestingly, no one knows the name of the FAMOUS hotel....If anyone describe me the location of that hotel in Kumburgaz, I can provide you the address and phone numbers because I go to Kumburgaz very frequently for business reasons. I can stop and search the hotel and then can issue the address and phone numbers.

Went to Irmak during the week, very busy and low quality. \i think we need to wait till the summer is over.

connect 28

The Street Scene in Aksaray

Outside Irmak

Outside Irmak - as i was walking away

Olga from Bacardi - before i did her Doggy Style with a Pig-tail in each hand

Olga After I did her having the Post Coital Smoke !

Tanya - the Modovian Nymph - posing for her "Daddy"

Tanya - a nice cold glass of wine to cool off with after a round.

I went to Bacardi, Saturday was very crowded. I paid 150 bucks for 2 hour session at home.

It was nice.

Is there any news from this ranch in Kumburgaz area?

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I will be in Turkey in September and want to make the most of it. I'd like to hear of any special advice for FS massages, incall/outcall, special clubs etc. I don't speak the language so I do want to go to American friendly places. I'm interested in Istanbul, Antalya, and Adana.

Thanks!

Just been to Aksaray region a few hours ago and I think I have to let you know about the reality now!

Forget about Serenda, Bacardi, Europa, Chicago, etc. where you pay 3-4 times more for what you think is the better quality in the dark but in fact are exactly the same girls you see outside on the streets of Aksaray!

The cheapest and best place for action is Irmak Restaurant where one bottle of beer costs $3 and where you shouldn't pay more than $20 for the bill under normal circumstances. The best time to go is around 9.30-10 p.m. and when you get there just feel relaxed and comfortable. I was there just tonight and it took me only 5 minutes to spot the Moldovan beauty from Tiraspol( actually another country called Trasnistriya or Prinistrovya in Russian)! She agreed on $50 for 3 hrs. Never ever pay more and stay away from Romanians and Russians! Of course,this amount of charge is still very high compared to that on Northern Cyprus, but still quite satisfactory! You can easily enjoy what you're doing with a Moldovan or Ukrainian without any restrictions and you'll never know what's gonna show up next based on your imagination! The surprise with me for this time was that I could easily persuade the girl for not using condoms at all!

Where is Aksaray? Is that a part of Istanbul?

Where is this Irmak Restaurant, the adress or explanation please.

Thanks

Aksaray is just 5 min by car from Taksim, center of Istanbul and any Turkish person would love to show you where Irmak Restaurunt is. Hang out in the restaurunt between 9.30-11 p.m. and in the disco after midnight. Remember to stick to ONLY Ukrainians and Moldovans!!

Another picture of Tanya taken with a regular camera.

Hmm ! I'll try again...

Heres another

...and another

Oh man I wish the boards would have been up while I was in Istanbul. I also didn't have a lot of Internet access while I was there. This web site actually wouldn't come up when I tried from one hotel business center, they must have had some kind of block on it but then again internet was not very reliable there....also very slow.

I am already back in the USA and was actually very disappointed in the Turkish scene. I hung out around Taksim and walked literally miles and miles and didn't see anything except she males. Pretty yes, but not what I was looking for.

No phone book in the hotel so no yellow pages for any additional info..no info in the english language newspapers to give any leads either. I did get invited to several belly dancer clubs by smooth yet aggressive sales types guys and some guy offered to take me to meet nice russian girls but I wasn't about to bite on any of those scams.
I wish I had picked up the Aksaray info earlier, I thought that it was a reference to the city not the area of Istanbul...well it was only my foirst time in Isatnbul and I hope to go again.

I hope they take a few zeros off the currency by the next time I go, I could not tell the difference between a 1 million and a 10 million note without studying it for a few minutes especially after a few drinks in dim light!! And of course I always felt like I was paying too much for everything!!

Hello Folks,

I am German, living here in Istanbul. Is somebody in the mood to go out with me to Irmak or Serada next week. I am new in this town and I would like to know some of these places. My turkish is not very well, as you can imagine and therefore I would need some help.

I'm game to go out with you next week for some action - I don't speak Turkish either and am not much of a guide but I'm sure we'll get by. What did you have in mind and how to contact you?

I'm giving a slightly late post dating back to the end of August.

I was given a phone number of a russian girl around the age of 26, really nice tan which a playboy bunny tatoo on her back. She lives about a 1/4 mile past the Atakoy Galleria in the apartment/housing complexes off to your left when driving towards downtown. I went into the area that was suggested by some friends and I wandered the mini childrens park area and sat on a bench. About 15 mins later I see a fake bake tanned Russian girl walking around and I tell her in english that I wanna talk. She comes over and we chat a min, I tell her straight up since I know a Russian in this area, dressed like that is a worker. We negotiate $50 and go up to her house, nice leopard sheets and soft skin, you guys should check that area if you've got free time.

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Hi Blake,

Thanks for responding, if you want you can reach me marcist2000@yahoo.de.

Hi!

I will be in Istanbul in the 2nd week of October..can any of you update me where to get good quality girls and about which hotels don't mind taking the girl to room..

Regards

Cunnilinger,

On my last raid to Istanbul i stayed at the Holiday Inn (near Galleria Shopping Centre) Hotel is guest friendly and the layout of the blocks and accomodation lends itself very well to bringing back guests (you don't have to walk through the Reception/Foyer to get to your room) as the residential blocks have their own entrances. I booked over the Internet a few weeks in advance and got a good rate - see reports from July 03.

http://www.atakoymarina.holiday-inn.com/

The other hotel i have stayed in was the Mercure in Beyoglu (near Taksim), they are guest friendly but more expensive.

In general, the bigger the Hotel or if it is part of a chain - then they are more than likely to be friendly to you. A girl i spoke to from Bacardi told me that she had been to lots of Hotels in the Taksim Area.

With hindsight, i will now stay at the Holiday Inn on all future visits - i won't waste my money anymore near Taksim.

Enjoy !

I've been to Bacardi Club in Aksaray on the main street a few times recently to check out the recent situation. Now the prices seem to have risen a little bit, but when you think of all the rip-off places around except Irmak restaurant/disco I can tell you Bacardi is the cheapest place for supplying the best quality around. The atmosphere is really like a club and you can dance and even chat on the floor among about 40-50 girls all the time. The girls are mainly from Moldova, Ukraine, Russia and a few from Romania. It's quite difficult to find a girl speaking any language other than Russian and Turkish ( All girls speak perfect Turkish except the newcomers) , but it's possible to find out the basic info about the girl you like from the few waiters speaking English before inviting her to your table for a drink. The trick here is to insist on sitting right by the dance floor cause otherwise you might be deceived by how the girls really look in a darker atmosphere out there. There's no entrance fee for the club and it doesn't make any difference on the bill whether you sit at the front or back. You'll pay something like $50 for the bill including the girl's drink. The outgoing price is $150 for 2-3 hours and $200 for the night for the best girls, but it's also possible to bargain on $100 for the night for avarege girls, especially after 1 a.m.
The club is open from 9p.m. till 5.30 a.m. but the best time to appear there is after 11.30 p.m. The good thing about Bacardi is that it's always possible to persuade a girl to go to your own hotel or home so that you'll not have to pay the extra $30 for a hotel room around!

As a newbie, I started from the beginning and checked Nadide & Enjoy. :)) 35$ (50M) for the desk, same to the girl. There were 15-20 girls, half of them ok (>5). The price includes massage+bbbj. If you want more, you can get by giving 20M+.

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Lets look at Aksaray's experience with respect to street offers and nightclubs. Do not even speak to some guys who approach you for arranging girls for you! At first they start to quote interesting price to you (e.g. 20 - 30 Euro) for night or they say for drink maximum you must pay 3-5 Euro! Do not believe them at all.

They try to make interest for you for just looking at girls at first by any kind of verbal strong promotion but their main purpose is dropping you at any of Aksaray nightclubs, which they are linked with them!!!

If you put your leg over there by accompany of these guys, you will not be able to come back easily without paying at least 300 - 400 Euro just for drink without ANYTHING else.

In these night clubs story is started by the guy who has brought you from street to there, they show to you some girls (about 10-15) and ask you which one you prefer for picking up for your night. Story is continued when girl comes to your table while they bring your drink and exactly at this time that guy who has accompanied you from street up to this step is disappeared by any method. Subsequently one drink is served for girl at your table immediately even sometimes without your confirmation.

At this time the girl offers you 30 Euro for night and once you ask for leaving there she asks for sitting 10 - 15 minutes more and more drinks! After first drink doesn't matter you permit or not for them because their job has been finished and they are waiting for your reaction which they have prepared action plan for it (if you are not on luck line, you will learn instead of two glass drink of girl there are 4-5 empty bottle are in ice in your table, or they say you are drank and you do not remember who much you have drank!)

After asking bill you will see a paper with some handwritten digits accompanied by several zeros (because of Turkish million) only and without any details for about 500 - 600 Euro. Your complaint is answered by club manger when he refers to an approved price list for drinks (in Turkish and it is totally different with price board on stand at entrance of club). When manager feels that you are business/important person then he tries to make you happy by considering discount for 100 - 300 Euro!

Final due amount in front of you will be 300 - 400 which must be paid at any price, if it is declared that you do not have money they will search your pockets for cash, cards, valuable items, In case they can not find anything there is hazard risk because of beating of two or three big security men!

After payment made by you, manager invites you for free drink! The girl states that this is the rule for club that she cannot leave there before 4 AM and manager confirms the issue. Maybe she gives you her handy contact number for later on negotiation for issue (if you are lucky, number will be correct) and after negotiation price will not be less than 100 Euro! Do not become surprised with these contradictions in Istanbul Aksaray street night clubs when you ask for that man who brought you there, manager states that does not know him and he was thinking he is with you! Even he advises you: be careful here is ISTANBUL!

You will not be able to do anything after that even you refer to police who are walking in the area all of the time or if you go to police station which is located in the same area exactly at heart of night clubs and restaurants because of first language problem and if even you are lucky and you don't have this problem then it will be common issue for them and club manager easily says that you and girl have had drinks and girl and staff can witness and you have been charged for it (even with discount if there was any!)

Even if you ask your local friends for help, they are also unable to do anything because they know these games very well and know nobody can do anything for these situations unless club boss which mostly belongs to dangerous groups like Turkish Mafia.

As conclusion, do not listen to street promotions by these people, these nightclubs and similarly some hotels in Aksaray and Taxi. You can refer only to bars, restaurants and famous nightclubs as members have mentioned them in previous reports.

Good Luck

Hi everybody,

I have been to Bacardi last week.
First of all ,all the prices are higher than my last hunting.I think due to economic situation in Turkey demand is increasing but supply is stable than prices are getting higher.I hope this winter more girls will be coming to istanbul and this will cut the prices.
It was a monday night.The club was full to the stairs.
I invited a Ukraninan girl to my table.She was first class looking.
But when we started to talk I was shocked.Because she said "no bj without condoms,no fantasies,two hours 250 usd.
Then I said bye..
The second one was a Moldavian with stunning body,incredible hairs and legs.But she was like frigider.And she said " I dont care who pays me I just go and make love to take my money" then I felt as cold as ice.
The third one one was a Russian from Rostov.She was like a swan.Long blond hairs,long legs beatiful body (silicon boops,it was interesting for me beacuse it was my my first silics experient).She asked 200 usd till 6 a.m and added that this was not her usual price but she liked me a lot (believe or not,maybe the old trick ,I dont know)
But I really liked her too much.Her voice was like a velvet and her body was like a baby.
We took a cab and went to Holiday Inn where I booked a double room before the night.
She did everything...................
4 hours lateri I felt tired and gave her 10 millions and called a cab.
I paid 120 millions to Bacardi inc. 4 Stoly+3 girl's drink.And tipped my garson with 10 milion.
It seems there has been a %30 rise in the market .But more girls are coming.That Monday night was the most crowded night I have ever seen for years both customer and girls.
Take care.
bye

I warn you guys that the highest rate in Aksaray region including Bacardi for the best girls is $150 for 2-3 hours and $200 for the night, but they try to rip off the strangers. Never ever get in the trap!!

Karo,

What time of day and which day of the week did you go ?

15 - 20 girls seems like a lot, a good choice. I have only been there once and there weren't many girls to choose from, perhaps half a dozen.

Bunnyhopper,

2-3 weeks ago, it was weekday (Wednesday or Thursday) and time was around 3 or 4 pm.

Hi friends,

I had a dissapointing time at Nadidie & Enjoy at Nishatasi. I paid 60 million at the reception. Since I know little turkish could not argue that it should be 50 million as per reports in this forum. There was a choice of 5-6 babes, selected a babe named Sevgili.

As soon as we entered the room the babe told me that I will have to give to her a similar amount given at reception. I agreed. The massage was ok nothing great. At the end of it she started with the handjob. I told her in whatever turkish I could speak that she should give me a BBBJ. She said thats not possbile here. I insisted that my friends have told me that its given there. Finally she said she will give a BBBJ only for a short time which she did (sloppy though) and then continued the handjob till i cummed.

Unfortunately the whole arguement was a turn off for me.

PS: During the massage she said there is a similar massage parlour at Sisly (Turkish S). Anyone aware?

I am very much surprised about the money that many people paid for hookers in Istanbul. I am a local person and local people usually pay a fix 100 USD for a good half-day fuck in Istanbul. If you spend all day with the hooker, then you pay 150 USD for a night. Believe me this is the exact price of a good fuck in Istanbul. But if you are a foreigner in Istanbul, then of course this price suddenly double!

The hookers are mostly from Ukraine, Russia and Moldavia. The best hookers are always from Russia. The difference is very simple:

Russians: They are beautiful, they are open to bargain, they do BJ, anal and titfuck. They are very clean (always have shower before and after fuck), they use condom (very difficult to convince them not to use)

Ukrainens: They always demand extra money, they complaint everthing, not good!

Moldavians: Dirty, smell terrible, not use condom, very high risk of genital diseases

Try to visit Foliberger Night Club in Taksim Square in Istanbul. A very good night club but be very carrefull about the waiters. Suddenly at the end of the night you may see a 1000 USD after a couple of drink! Try to sit alone in the bar, dont invite any lady to your table. After their show, they come to bar. Take their GSM number and after the midnight visit them in their hotel. This is the best way!

Went to Nadide last week during the day. There were only 4-5 girls, none of them good looking. If you act really relaxed and mention that you have been upstairs before you have a good chance of getting sex. The girl I picked up said that the police was very strict with them lately, therefore they keep the sex to a minimum. Take your condom with you.

If what you're looking for is good quality $200 is the fair charge for the night! Of course, it's also possible for $100 if avarage or bad quality is sufficient for you like in Western Europe or even Russia and Moscow most of the time!
In contrast to the general misbelief I'd advise you stay away from the Russian girls and stick only to the Moldovans and Ukrainians to do whatever you want without any limits or hesitation!
A good alternative to Aksaray region and a natural way of meeting girls is the touristic area of Istanbul, namely Sultanahmet which is only 10min walk away from Aksaray. This is the place full of hotels with fair rates like $25-30 and where most tourists hang out. There's good action there especially at night in restaurants, cafes, bars and discos all around the small streets. It's possible to meet girls from all over the world including Russia and Ukraine.
The good thing is that you will not be disturbed at all by the local crowds and feel much more comfortable than Taksim and Beyoglu regions.

I've visited Bacardi recently to check out the situation.Now the no of girls there seem to be increasing,enabling a better quality of selection.I talked to a new brunette girl from Rostov(As you all know the most beautiful girls in Russia are from Rostov or Novosibirsk) who was really distinguishable with a slim 175 figure and a sweet face,but asked for $300 for 2hrs and I thought I was in Moscow for one moment,so I asked her if it's for 2days??!!?
There's a general tendency for an increase of prices out there,but watch out guys and never ever pay more than $100 for 2-3 hours and $150 for the night!!

Does anybody know if you can bring outside girls to Seranda? I am planning to stay at Seranda for a few days. In the night time I am fine with taking girls fromt the disco at Seranda. However, day time I plan to try my chances at Irmak and if I can hook with a decent girl I hope to use my room at Seranda.

Hi Hedonist,

As I'm local and lives in istanbul, (I'm running a Travel Agency) Frankly I do not think the hotel management will let you bring decent girl from outside. But advice you can do and make a reserve like normal procedures room booking from the hotel, this time you must offer the lady name detail with yours to the hotel. Prices must be a Dbl room breakfast included around $40.00 - 50.00 USD maximum.

Please contact me via a private message using the WSG Forum's Private Message service.

Great days in Seranda

Whats the scene likely to be like next week - is it worth a hop over there ?

Do the girls go home for the xmas period ?

Every time is good in its way and it's really the hot time now!!
A small hint,all the girls here are Orthodox,so naturally their Christmas is on January 7th,but even then it's worth a visit.

Whats is the very latested news ?

Prices, numbers, quality of girls at the usual haunts, Bacardi, Serenda , Irmak...etc ???

Also any specific info on Demirkoy, numbers, nationality of girls, prices and the format for picking up there ?

Not been there before and so I am keen to check it out.

I'll be in town for a few days next week.

As of 10 days ago, Wednesday night, bar above bacardi was excellent. Been there twice since Bayram. Both times Bacardi was closed. So I suspect same girls working both Bacardi and the bar.

Quality was excellent. Anything from 5 to 9. (a bit heavily distributed on both ends of the scale which sort of makes getting a moderately good looking once cheap, impossible) Prices changed from 150 - 200. Both all nighters and 3 hours.

Some of the prettiest girls, infact 3 in a row (my luck I guess), asked for 200 for 3 hours. All inclusive - so they said. I didn't try them as prefer to have breakfast in the morning.

I

just got back from a trip to istanbul & ankara.

day 1.

stayed at the holiday inn near the airport (there are two holiday inn’s – the other is in the sultanahment/topkapi area). i took the free hotel shuttle service from outside the airport. this departs every hour on the half hour i.e. 1:30, 2:30, 3:30…etc. journey took about 15 minutes. i didn’t need another visa, as the one i bought in october in ankara was still valid, a 3 month multiple entry visa costs €10.

rate was $93 (which included the 18% sales tax but excluded breakfast) for a double with a decent view over the sea of marmara, booking over the internet.

http://www.atakoymarina.holiday-inn.com/

security is tighter now, i guess after the recent bombings in the city (when coming and going by taxi, the security guards at the barrier would check the boot/trunk of the taxi and also underneath the taxi with a mirror – not problems with my guests at all). i arrived at the hotel around 4:00pm. checked in, showered, changed and went outside and grabbed a cab on the main road heading into town.

the cab fare to aksaray was about 8m tl. got off on the main road and walked up the road looking for a pharmacy – i wanted to try viagra for the first time ;-)

came across a shop with the “bayer” logo outside it and ladies hair dye in the window so i went in. the shopkeeper spoke english and i asked him if he had generic viagra. he said yes and showed me a packed of something called “vigrande 50 (sildenafil)”. the price was about 48mtl for 4 tablets each of which was 50mg – it was pre-printed onto the packet, therefore no worries about being overcharged and also the packed was sealed, therefore no worries about being sold paracetamol or something under the guise of viagra ! i told the guy i wanted it for recreational use and that i had no health problems, he said it was ok to us the 50mg tablet at a time and that there are no side effects. i have heard that it can give you a bit of a headache, so i bought a packet of paracetamol too, again sealed packed with price pre-printed on it, about 3mtl i think.

i walked over to irmak and as the weather is now colder, nobody sitting outside so i went into the small room next the main restaurant, sat down in front of two girls and ordered a cola for myself.

looked around and was disappointed at the choice of girls. one of the two girls in front of me started to chat to me. her name was irina, she was i guess in her late 30’s but actually quite pretty, she spoke english. the other girl was i’d say the prettiest girl in there at that time, her name was svetlana, sveta for short but spoke moderate english, tall slim, blonde about 25 yrs old. i asked irina how much for sveta and she responded $100 for 1 shot. i started to laugh (quite deliberately) and told them that i had been to irmak before and dropped a few names of places that i had also visited, serenda, bacardi…etc. i asked again how much for about 3 – 4 hours, and this time she said $100.
at that point irina asked me if i like arab girls. i said why, and she pointed over to 3 girls sitting in the back corner, that were rather loud ! i just smiled at her.

i told sveta that i was staying at the holiday inn and she said that was ok. i asked for the bill, when the waiter came back he asked me if i wanted to pay for the girls drinks, they both had a coffee each whilst i was there, i didn’t order it, they were already drinking it when i joined them. i said fine and was presented with a bill for 17mtl which i felt was very reasonable.

sveta said to me you go first and i will join you. so i left and waited up the road, she joined me after a minute or two. we walked onto the main road and crossed over onto the other side, i wanted to catch a cab in the direction of travel rather that spend another 10 – 15 mins in the cab as he turns around, the road are busy.

i can’t remember the cab fare, but it was under 10mill – no probs with security and no probs with the reception. went straight up to my room. i showed her a room service menu and asked her to order what ever she liked, i went into the bathroom and took half of a 50 mg tablet, i didn’t want her to see me take it ;-) the pills are blue in colour and oval shape with a grove down the middle, i just bit it in half, no need to cut it up with a razor or anything.

she ordered a pizza and had some soft drinks from the mini-bar and we chatted a while. she told that she also works the bacardi club, but they had been shut for 1 month following police raid (she said they are open again now). i told her have been there a few times – she then asked why i only pay her $100 ? i told her because it was what you asked for and smiled !

i was on virtually and empty stomach, and so the pill worked very quickly – i could feel my balls get warm and my dick was hard. i like to peel off the girls clothes, one of my little pleasures, so i peeled them off very slowly, playing, touching and kissing her, paying extra special attention when taking her jeans off, her ass had a nice shape, not too big or too small and not too flat – pert, they way i like ‘em – she then went for a shower and i undressed and got on the bed.

she did bbbj, pretty nice, but not as nice as the turkish hookers in ankara – then we started to fuck. my dick was rock hard, i could feel the effect of the tablet i must have fucked for at least 30 – 40 mins non-stop, the dick just stayed hard, she remained wet and remained aroused and energetic. at one point i was going her doggy –style and i could feel her vagina tighten – orgasm for her i guess. i didn’t ask her.

we rested a while, had food before doing it all again, my dick was soft but as soon as i started to think about fucking again it was rock hard. this time i had her in the missionary style – my dick again rock hard and she still wet – i fucked her slowly first to get her into the swing of things then really very hard pounding her into the mattress, wooooow…. i guess i fucked her gain for another 30 – 40 mins, boy i have never seen a girl sweat so much, it was like i poured a bottle of water onto her - i felt like i was a porno star !!!i kept asking her if she wanted me to stop, she grabbed me tighter and said no, pushing my ass into her pelvic region harder! i also fucked her doggy style again. i was on the bed in the doggy position, her back arched deeply and her ass pointing up at me with her arms flat and straight on the bed point towards her feet. this time as i penetrated her i kept by arms crossed behind my back and just let the rhythm of the bed push her back and forth into me. i let fly, i moved my hips back and forth as fast as i could, it was an amazing sight, and the ripples moving across her ass, i could she the look of pleasure/pain on her face and that encouraged me to bang her harder!

eventually i stopped, could not climax, but the fuck was good and i was amazed at the staying power the pill gave me! i am young and fit, but boy this pill was good – why didn’t i discover it earlier!!

had shower, then did the same again – but could not come.

about 9:00 pm she wanted to leave, that was ok because i had her for about 3 hours in my room and i felt exhausted then and totally satisfied.

i sent le a few text mssgs, being extra careful, which number i was sending the mssgs to - private joke, hahaha.....!!!

i walked her outside (again past reception – no problems) to the hotel security barrier and put her into the cab, i think in gave her 10 – 15 mill for the cab.

i went back to my room showered, ate and dozed for a while.

at about 11:00 pm i headed back to aksaray, cab was less that 10mill again and stopped on the main road and walked to serenda hotel.

same guy at the till and still the same look on his face. the cost was 20m to get it and that still includes the first drink. you need to show your passport still.

i asked for my english speaking waiter friend, but was told he no longer works there. i was then shown to a seat at the bar as one of the barmen speaks english.

the quality of girls is up again, like on my very first trip there – a cola costing 5m. i went on the floor a few times and looked at the talent. the girls mainly wear tight fitting blue jeans and tight tops. they were mainly romanians and moldavian. the romanians were the classic, tall, slim, fair skinned blacked looks – classic gypsy looks, so nice! there were quite a few blonde there, many girls with pretty asses and nice big breasts!

they still have the show there, at around midnight and that lasts about 30mins. the blonde girl in the show is still there and she is so pretty, i should have slipped her a 10 dollar bill with my number on during the belly dance show !!

after the show, i went to the gents and slipped the another half tablet (half of 50mg) and went to the floor with the view to picking up.

the girls all quoted 150m for one shot or $100 for 2 shots, i was sure this time to ask if they did cbj, bbbj, anal...etc. again nearly all said they would not do a bj.

i spotted a girl that i had on my very first trip to serenda, i tried to do her in the ass but struggled to penetrate her. (now when i going hunting i always take my own lubricant and rubbers – stuff i buy at home to ensure quality products). i asked her if she remembered me she said she did and to me sure, i asked her if she still does bbbj and anal – she “you know i do !”. so i took her.

the room cost me 48m (48m if you pay with card or 45m if you pay cash) – i handed over my passport and her id card.

i tipped the guy that took us up to the room 3m and she went into the shower as i watched the porno channel. it is i think it was channel 0 on the tv, satisfaction club tv, i am sure you italian are familiar with that one !

she did nice long bbbj and she had nice smooth skin, slim pert ass and blonde hair.

i proceed to fuck her, the pill gave me a solid erection and after about 15 mins, i got out my lubricant and greased up her ass. she was lying flat on her back as i penetrated her, first very slowing, then faster. eventually i was pushing in all the way very hard and very fast, i could see the look on her face, such a turn on, she was wriggling underneath me not knowing what to do with her hand, she was pushing herself back deeper into the bed to avoid full trust, but there was no escaping from me, i kept on pounding her little ass deeper into the mattress ripping it to shreds. !

wooooooooow, orgasm !

i took off my rubber and we both went into the shower, she washed me down, and then we went back to the bed. i started to feel really very tired then, i hadn’t slept or eaten properly for about 48 hours and the sex with the two girls had really worn me out too. i chatted to her on the bed, and we talked about what she’d been up to since my first visit there. after about another hour or so, we tried again, but my energy was gone, but the pill was still giving a solid erection. i fucked her half heartily for about 10 – 15 mins, if only to get my moneys worth. i wanted to do anal again, but she said she was too sore, poor girl.

i told her it was ok for her to go and she washed and left, after about a minute the phone rang and the reception guy told me that my “guest” was leaving, i said that was fine and i fell asleep (i was too tired to go outside and get a cab)

i woke up at around 9:00am. went downstairs, got my passport and a cab to my hotel.

day 2.

at around 1.00pm i went to istanbul cad. in bakirkoy looking for a massage parlour someone had told me about.

i found the place but they were shut, had sign in the window, i pushed the buzzer waited a few minutes but nothing, so i grabbed a cab to sultanahmet.

at around 4 pm i was at irmak, i took half of a 50mg pill as i was walking there from sultanahment area - it is closer than i thought.

today my waiter friend from the summer was there, he came over shook my hand greeted my warmly. the choice of girls was quite poor, but sveta was there again, but i fancied a new girl – part of the thrill for me.

i had a coke whilst looking at the girls, you only get a good look when they get up and go to the toilet.

i called over the waiter and told him to take a drink to sveta; she was seated at another table. i watched as he took over a cocktail – i have no doubt that she would have preferred a coffee or something, but i guess the waiters push them to have the expense ones! oh dear i thought….

after about half and hour the three arab girls came in and sat at the far corner table. two were ugly and one was ok, and i though it would be nice to try and arab girl. i called over my waiter friend and asked if i could move over into the corner with the three girls. unfortunateley they spoke virtually no english and we could just about communicate. they were asking for $50 for 1 shot. i sat next to a fat one, whom spoke the most english, and asked how much for the one seated opposite me. the fat one said she was not available today – i said thank but no thank you and moved to the adjacent table. what hadn’t really paid attention to was that whilst i was seated with the arab girls, they were brought three cocktails and some mushroom dish… i now know that i picked up the tab ! the girls were from syria by the way.

i spotted another girl wander in. her name was engel and she reminded me a little bit of tanya from the summer, short, blonde, young, slim and cute ass. i called my waiter friend and he said she speaks very little english, i said fine and he called her over. through the waiter i negotiated $100 for about 3 hours back at my place. i could vaguely make out that the waiter was saying he is ok and has been here before. i had another cola and bought her a drink. again they gave her a cocktail.

however the girl insisted she take the restaurant cab – i knew this would cost more, but agreed. i asked for the bill and was presented with a bill for 82m. wow i thought this is too much. (i had two colas, and i bought two drinks for each of engel and sveta) – i though to myself this is rip-off but i paid regardless and we left.

outside she asked me if i would buy her a packet of l&m cigarettes i said ok, but when in the store she also asked for a 20m cell phone card…i looked at her, i hate that, but i paid regardless. i should have just said no, but that is silly me!!

took the restaurant cab to the inn, which cost a further 20m, when the going rate was 7 – 8mill.

in the room, she had some drinks and chocolate from the mini-bar. we chatted a while and she told me she was from moldova and that in her country she was a choreographer.

she had firm young boobs that point upwards, soft skin, smooth legs and a nice pert ass – the thing which i base my decision on as to whether or not to buy!

i had three sessions with her, she did cbj only and it was reasonable. again, the pill gave me a solid erection and i did her in many positions for a long time. i did her really deep, firmly and fast in the doggy style for some time and she complained that i was hurting her… that made me smile!

this girl was quite a star, she was doing hand stands, cartwheels and flexing her body in all sorts of ways for me in the room, i had no doubt she was a professional choreographer. at one point i was lying on the bed, whilst she was naked on the table dancing for me! i also lay on the bed asking her to do stretching exercises, including bending over and touching her toes….hahahaaaaa !

after about three hours she left (i only managed to come once during the first round) i was happy with this because the screwing was nice in itself... i gave her 15mill for the cab.

at about 11.00pm i went out. as i passed the reception i asked the guy if he knew the demirkoy hotel, he looked at me and said “sir, it is dangerous”… so i thought i would give it a miss. had i had a fellow hobbyist with me, i may have gone. it is 5 mins walk away or 1 mins cab ride.

i went to the main road and took a cab to aksaray. walked to serenda from the main road. 20mil to get in, first drink free, subsequent cola’s 5 mill. (i never drink alcohol went out in aksaray – need your wits about you all the time). went into the gents and took another half of the 50mg pill.

i met a guy there wearing a liverpool f.c. football top and asked him if he was english. he said no, but we started to chat anyway. i guess he was my age. he said the prices charged to locals are the same, 150m for 1 shot, $100 for 2 shots and $150 for an all-nighter till 5:00am. he confirmed that most of the girls don’t do bj, and if you have bad luck you may get a mechanical girl, he also said that sometimes you may get luck and get a girl that does anal for nothing extra !

he had a mate with him and the 3 of us went in the dance floor a few times and we had a laugh chatting to many different girls.

i saw this one girl that i recognised from my first trip there, i asked her if she does bj, she said no and that i won’t be able to find a girl that did, i said ok and carried on looking. after about 20 mins she came over to me and said ok she will do bj, so i agreed on $100 for 2 shots.

she was taller that me, black hair and quite a pretty face, classic romanian gypsy looks – nice.

i paid 48mill for the room (paying by visa) and handed in the id and went up. in the room i peeled off her clothes slowly, her ass looked better in jeans and her skin wasn’t so perfect – but ok. she did a short covered bj that was reasonable, with hind sight i should have just picked the prettiest girl there and forgot about the bj – there were some very nice ones there.

again the pill gave me a solid and i fucked her for long time in many positions, this girl was not a small girl but she also complained went i did her doggy style hard for a long time. i fucked for about 30 – 40 mins but could not come so lay on the bed chatting to her. she told me about her life back in romania and that if she didn’t have a child, she would not be here in istanbul working.

after about 40 mins, we tried again, again i could not come and she asked me what was wrong i told her nothing, i desired her had an erection but could not ejaculate. she asked me if i had sex that day already and i told what i had been up to that afternoon and the day before… she started to laugh and called me a “sex maniac”.

i guess i had tried to do it too often, in too short a space of time – screwing her was nice still, making her work for her money !

after i’d been with her two hours i said she was free to go and we both left. i could really complain about her, i just wasn’t up to it.

i picked up my passport and walked to the main road in aksaray and got a cab outside the police station there, about 13 – 14 mill cab fare back to the inn.

Went to Irmak on the last evening.

To get there I took a cab from the main road by the Inn, the guy wasn’t running a meter, when in Aksaray we stopped and I asked how much ? He pointed at the meter, which was showing a digital clock, he point to the 20 digit (from 20 hundred hours) and I said to 20m Lira ? I told him were to go, I said normally 10m maximum. I asked Gunduz or Gece ? and he flicked through the screens on the meter and pointed at the 20 again also uttering the words “Dollar” – I was pissed now, I tried to tell him that what he was showing me was the digital clock, but he feigned ignorance and I asked again how much. He kept pointing to the 20, I said OK. Proceeded to open the door and said “Traffic Police” he became nervy, the police station was literally 30 seconds walk away. I gave him 10m, swore at him in my own language and left. Had he continued pushing it, I’d have given him a left hook for his troubles and then walked in to the police station as a desert ! I wonder who would have been arrested me or him ?

I am sure that this trick with the digital clock has happened to me before on my first trip to Istanbul, some deja vu here.

Was in Irmak around 8.30 – 9.00 but only 2 – 3 girls there

My waiter friend was in there today and came over and asked me if everything was OK last time.

I told him that I thought the bar bill was two high, and then when we compared notes it became clear that I was charged for what the Arab girls had (from Syria by the way). I made it clear that I didn’t order anything for them nor was I asked if I wanted to buy them a drink. He was apologetic in tone and said he wasn’t there. Which was correct, it was another waiter that bought the girls a drink.

As I sat there I looked out the window and saw many very nice girls wander past and go into the adjacent restaurants (including Sveta)

As there were no girls there by then, I had two colas paying 10m total and left.

As I walked past the adjacent restaurants, their waiters/uskers are out on the street trying to get you in. I have no idea what they are saying to me. Maybe something innocent like “Good evening sir, would you like a drink ?” or maybe something more sleazy. But as I don’t understand what they were saying, they seemed pushy to me and so I waved them off and walked past them.

With hind sight perhaps I should I tried them.

PERHAPS A LOCAL TURKISH SPEAKER WILL GO AND INVESTIGATE THE ADJACENT RESTAURANTS ?

Looked around Aksaray some more and went into the McDonald there and had something to eat.

Around 10:30 went into Serenda.

Lots of nice girls, but thought I’d take my time. I went up a few times, but could not find anybody to do BJ. Bumped into the tall Romanian girl again and she seemd pleased to see me. I left a tube of lube with her, as she when I did her doggy style, she had complained that it hurt ! Music to my hears !

She point out one girl that did BJ and Anal but I didn’t fancy her. I spotted another girl and asked if she was game ? and but she said that she doesn’t.

This carried on until around 1:00am. I was bored now and was toying with the idea of a trip to Bacardi for a top girl. I Left Serenda and as I walked up to the main raod, I phoned Angel and asked if her cousin Aliona was free, she said yes and we agreed $100 for 3 hours. (Aliona was another I saw when I packed up Engel that I was thinking about. When in the hotel with Engel, I told her this and she said it was her cousin).

We agreed to meet outside the Aksaray MacDonalds in 5 mins. 10mins went by and she stilled hadn’t arrived, it was raining and I was about to wander into Bacardi, went a cab arrived, then window went down and Engel started to shout at me.

Took 25mg of the pill, and I got in and I said that I was only after one girl. Engel said sure, the cab went back to Irmak, we dropped her off and then went on to the Inn. Again another Irmak Cab, no meter running, and he wanted 25m when we got to the inn.

At the Inn I paid her first, $100 plus 20m for cab and made it clear I will pay nothing further. She had some stuff from the mini bar and then a shower.

We had good sex, BBBJ, and sex in many positions. She is shorter than me, very slim and weighs very little. At one point I was standing on the floor, she had her arms around my neck and feet over my shoulders and I fucked in that position – that was quite good.

Her body was very petite, she had small but nice firm breast that pointed upwards. She had a few spots on her face back and ass and I wondered about that for a minute.

We had two sessions (as in my mind I wanted her to leave at around 3:00am) as I had a early flight to catch.

She called the cab and I took her outside to the cab.

I was washed, packed and then checked out around 4:00 am. Tipped the night receptionist (a guy) 20mTL (he saw my comings and goings each night and said nothing). I told him I had a “Fun Time” in Istanbul and he started to laugh…

They had arranged a cab for me at 4:15 am and I left……

Can anybody tell me which hotels are girl friendly or were girls work the bars, Hilton, Conrad Hilton, Sherton etc? I am travelling to Istanbul soon and what to get the right hotel.

Thanks

Rean,

I was told by someone sometime ago that high class escort girls are available at the bar in Ceylan Intercontinental in Taksim. I was also told that there are at least two bars in the Hotel, and the girls are found in one of these around 10pm - 11pm; I can't remember which bar - check them both.

Also, i should point out that i did not try this out as the other places documented here provided me with enough entertainment.

I also recall that a girl i picked up from Bacardi once told me that she had been an overnight guest at many hotels in Taksim - from that i'd say you wont have any guest problems in which ever international hotel chain you choose.

Day 4 Istanbul

Days the first 3 encounters, for better and worse, boring and intereting, can be found in the 'Other Areas' section as the activities took place in Antalya. Oh Antalya, both my heart and my dick yearn for a return to explore both what the streets, and the fine bodies have to offer. But on to Istanbul...

After a 12 hour bus ride, crowded with a carriage full of snoring and sweaty turks from Antalya, I was feeling a bit knackered and needed a bit of action to perk up my spirits. It was 11 AM and my plane back to London was to leave in about 7 hours, giving me a mere 5 hours to explore Istanbul for carnal pursuits. Now this was my 3rd visit to Istanbul and only my second time out trying to get some action. The first time for action coincided with my maiden voyage to this fine city about a year before where I bedded a sexy but rank spanish professional from one of the seedy clubs of Laleli. Experience was not too memorable, but my recent lurkings in this forum indicated, especially from Bunny Hopper's posts, that it would be worth giving it another shot (pun intended).

Left the bus terminal and grabbed the ferry to Eminounu where I stepped into a waiting taxi.'To Irmak' I ordered. To this point I had no idea where Irmak was. Unfortunately neither did the Hack. With a will, there is a way is my motto, so I told him it was either in Aksaray or in Laleli. Fine. Made our way there. After several conversations with other cabbies, we gave up and he dropped me in front of the MacDonald's on the main road separating the 2 districts. All I did was follow my instincts and promptly found the place. It is neatly tucked away one road east of that main avenue,on a pedestrian only street.

It was about 11:30 AM, I walked inside only to find a solitary russian couple eating their brunch. No one else. I ordered a nescafe and told the waiter that Irmak is a world famous place and its all over the internet reccommended for 'certain' activities.
He said 'I know'. Not too modest I guess.

Anyway I finished my coffee and asked him what would be a good time to return? He said 10 that night. Well I didn't really feel like cancelling my flight for this, so thanked him and thought I'd prowl the streets a bit.

I walked around for an hour or so. Up and down the streets like a moron. I saw the same people over and over they probably were wondering if I was a retailer or customer. I did see some working girls and did try to chat to a few. None were to my liking though. I was also very self conscious as not being experienced at this refined form of mongering, I didn't want to ask the wrong person the wrong question so I was a bit cautious. 'The fuck with this,' I thought. I'll try Irmak again. I know its early but generally cafe's are for daytime activities, aren't they?

So about 1:00 I go back there and am seated in the other part of the restaurant, I suppose its the room off of the main bar. Didn't get any recognition from the waiter but he must have remembered me from before. As I walked into this other part I immediately noticed this Heather Graham lookalike. She had long red hair and stood probably 5'2" ish. Pretty cute and a nice slim body. I have a thing for Heather Graham so I felt that Allah was looking out for me today.

I sat down, ordered a beer, and surveyed what else was on offer. Pretty quiet but there were 3 other gals in there, a blond, pretty cute was eyeballing me, Heather Graham ignored me whilst sitting chatting to her gal pals. I sat sipping my beer, occasionally checking out the blond, but I really wanted Heather Graham for some reason. She wouldn't even look at me though. So I flagged down a waiter and asked if she was working, to which he confirmed. Ok fuck it I thought. I just got off a 12 hour bus ride, feel like shit and probably look not much better. So I asked the waiter if I can move over there and also asked if I could get a translator.

Anyway as I stood up I began to think about the girl I had in Antalya a couple nights before. Pretty aloof and although the session was good, it did not adequately slake my thirst. By this time the blond knew that I wanted Heather Graham so she kinda quit looking at me and was frigging around with her phone. Ok fine, the hell with Heather Graham. I own my own business and I wouldn't treat prospective customers that way, I'm going for the blond.

To many, this game is old hat, to me I am very wet behind the ears. I pull up to the blond and ask if I could buy her a drink. To which she nervously smiled and accepted. I told the barkeep to get whatever she wanted. Now I only had about 2 or 3 hours to get to the airport because I was too busy fucking around walking the streets of Laleli so I cut to the chase.

Asked how much. Told her that I was running low on everything but pounds so we settled on 30 pounds for 2 hours. The waiter presented me with a 20 milyon bill and wanted 20 milyon more as a tip. Fine I thought, paid the money and left.

Walked to a hotel a couple blocks down, got a room (20 pounds + 3 milyon as I was really running low on t.l.) up to the room, said bye bye to the bell boy after tipping him a couple milyon. Fuck those guys have the nerve. He wanted more money as a tip. I told him that I wasn't fucking him, so bye bye. I was a bit rude but was feeling testy from my trip.

Anyway I didn't rush into anything with her right away. She kind of laid on the bed stomach down. We chatted a bit and she obviously had a cold and looked tired. Victoria was her name. A spring chicken fresh from the farms of Ukraine, and at 19 years old and the guilt was beginning to set in with me a little. Over 10 years my junior and I am not that old. Yes I think I may have the wrong hobby as often my conscience competes with my cock for the activities in which I often engage. English was also non existent but we still managed to communicate at which point I started massaging her back, she looked surprised and began to purr.

She wanted me to shower, I told her that she should shower with me. She didn't want to. I was a bit weary as I didn't want her to give me the slip so I left the bathroom door and the shower curtain opened. Anyway after alot of pleading I agreed to go it alone. Had a quick shower, came out and thankfully she was still prone on the bed, watching some cheesy turkish music videos.

Ok its your turn lassie, I gestured her to the bathroom. In she went, after a bunch of loud and romantic farting noises, a toilet flush and the shower began.

Ok I guess I get the picture now, nice girl. After a few minutes she came out and lay on the bed naked and I continued the massage. Anyway I don't really want to go into detail about went on next because this girl left a peice of herself with me when we departed. It was hard. Sex was not as raunchy as the night before in Antalya but it was nice and passionate. Afterwords we sat and chatted for about an hour. Would have stayed much longer but I had a plane to catch, thank god. And I say thank god because if I had any more time in Istanbul I would have taken her up on the ivitations she gave me to see her over the next few days, falling deeper and deeper for her making my invetible return to London all the more painful.

Don't know what it is about her.Shy at first, she warmed up quick and it was like we knew each other for years.We had that rapport going where she would fool around the same way my girlfriends did in the past when I wasn't a solo artist. Anyway c'est la vie.

Yes, I know, don't fall for a *****. Should be in the forefront of everyone's mind as in a way its a fucking war zone out there. No one knows who to trust and when to trust, so the rule is simply 'don't trust'. But of course easier said than done at times, isn't it?

Anyway I tipped her what I had in Euro's, (20, yes its high but she was definitely worth it) and off we went. Reality really sank in as I walked her back to the Irmak where I guess she had to go back to work. As we approached, we no longer walked hand in hand, two pecks on the cheek was all she'd give because she didn't want people to think that she was, ironically enough, NOT a *****.

Anyway that's it folks. Those who endured my epic banter, I say thanks. Any questions you may have, please ask, just remember to keep your mitts off of my Victoria.

Guys,

Just a quick note from Istanbul: at Irmak the going rate is no more than $50 for 2 hours. Cupid Stunt (who shamelessly calls his fellow passengers as "snoring and sweaty Turks") and Bunny Hopper: you guys are definitely overpaying... A few days ago I paid 50$ for 2 hours to an incredibly beautiful and klassnaja Mariana. One of my best paid sex experiences...Today I had an average girl, Viktoria, for $40 for 2 hours, and I know I overpaid... I will post a detailed report once I get back to the States.

I will be going to Istanbul in 2 weeks, am staying in a "boutique hotel" near the Blue Mosque. Very interested in those East European girls of 50 for 2 hours. Do you just approach them on the street, like if they look Russian, ask them to go with you of what?

Also, I'm very interested in getting a Turkish hooker, how do I go about it?

Please advise

Why bother for a 12hr bus trip with sweaty Turks(it must be damn hot in December I guess out there!!),maybe you meant sweety!?

Vegamars,

Its not the destination, but the journey. Its was character building experience. Besides I didn't think the bus would have been as full as it was. I mean only an idiot would take a 12 hour bus ride from Antalya to Istanbul. But it was packed like a can of sardines.

I thought I would have had plenty of room to stretch out, catch up on some reading, maybe have a wack or two. No such luck :(

Hedonist,

I found pricing to be the same. I was quoted 50 US for Viktoria for 2 hours which I gladly took but I paid in pounds (30 to be specific). I was expecting somewhere in 100US range from Bunny's posts. Maybe he dresses better than I do so it comes across like he will pay. I have that Salvation Army thing going on sometimes I guess :(.

I really enjoyed my time with Viktoria. Yes, she is not as raunchy or experienced as some girls. I kind of found that she would prefer not to initiate. But again I have a thing for shy girls so that didn't bother me.

I don't tend to bargain too much if the pricing is in an acceptable range. In london, to get a couple of hours of boom boom time will cost at least 250 pounds (400US+). I feel that the Irmak scene gives great value at bargain prices.

Dear Epicurus,
I have no clue how best you can taste a "Turkish Delight" in Istanbul. All I can comment on is how NOT to and that is never go in a pavyon or night club believeing naively to their promises targeted to empty your pockets. Although at this point, I do salute my good friend, Local Expert, as he facilitated a similar experience in Ankara for me some time back. My personal choice are the Eastern Europeans especially Moldovians, as I adore a true GFE experience. I believe Turkish working girls are way over rated. (This was not meant as an insult to any nation or people and just reflects my personal opinion from past experiences: as the Chinese say one man's meat is another's poison). As for your hotel selection, I hate to warn you that some of the boutique hotels in and around of Sultanahmet are usually family run small establishments with 10-12 rooms and can be "guest unfriendly" if you know what I mean. Beware. You may consider changing your booking to be on the safe side or be prepared to accomodate your hobby in short time hotels in the worst case. Last but not least, on how to pick up a USD 50/2 hours chick in Istanbul, please use your search function looking for the keyword "Irmak". I just checked and there are 28 previous posts on the place including directions, address, phone number, key personel names, standard operating procedures, pricing info, and even pictures. Trying to hit on every Eastern European chick you see on the street may not be the most efficient and effective way! LOL

Dear Bunnyhopper,
FYI, I stayed at Intercontinental once but never noticed talent at their bar but this was a few years back. The situation may have changed since. BTW, I am green with envy having read your last expedition to Istanbul. Have you considered getting enrolled in Holiday Inn's Priority Club Rewards? Looks like we will be staying at the same hotel over and over again.

Dear Local Expert,
I agree with you that you may not have to pay in Antalya especially in summer months but you probably will agree with me that CS has done all the right things (except for that bellboy he snapped at) even though he is a total stranger to the area. It is middle of winter, and he spent only 3 days in Antalya, which does not allow too much time to get himself acquinted with ONS's. I am very impressed with his initiative and the lessons he has learned in such a short time. If you think about it, he has been to seedy clubs, pavyons and survived, even managed to find the jackpot places within 3 days. It is simply remarkable. I know people who time after time end up in overpriced Taxim night clubs every time they visit Istanbul simply because they lack the instinct and initiative to explore out of their comfort zones.
I simply take my hat out for our new Istanbul fan: Cupid Stunt.

Hedonist and Vegamars,
Gents, please give Cupid Stunt a break. In my humble opinion, there is no reason why you should be offended by his style and choice of words. Yes, he does say that the bus was " crowded with a carriage full of snoring and sweaty turks from Antalya" but so what? He also says that he walked "up and down the streets like a moron". Does that make him a moron? No. Furthermore, you must have taken long bus journeys in Turkey just like I did, and the coaches ARE indeed full of snoring and sweaty people. Especially in winter, when the driver thinks he is doing everyone a favour by cranking up the heater without moderation to simulate a hellish atmosphere… The trains are even worse but I won't even go there. That fact simply does not qualify to be an insult in my opinion. Turks are just as sweaty and snoring as Russians, Thais, or Mexicans. Please do bury your machetes and think why would CS would travel to Turkey if he did not like the Turks? I have to say that I for one have really enjoyed Cupid's FR's.

One final note to all Istanbul mongers, there may be a trip to Istanbul on my radar screen sometime in March or April. I will update you guys as things become more certain. Are we up for another get together at the infamous Holiday Inn and taste CS's precious Victoria for ourselves? Ha ha ha

Peace
NC

Thank you no_commit for those kind words.

After writing a short novel in these forums, if those are the only criticisms I am to endure, I'll take it. But in exchange, I do provide a sincere apology as I did not intend to imply that all turks are snoring or sweaty. Instead The bus just seemed to have a disproportionate number of snoring and sweaty people. I mean I smelled none too good either once leaving the bus having marinated in my own sweat for 12 hours.

I suppose the passage was to convey the testiness I felt after such a journey. Such testiness is where one tends to underplay the good things and overemphasize the bad. But not one percentage of that was to imply that I do not like or respect the turkish people, as on the contrary, I do like the people. I travel not for business, but for leisure and this being my second trip should indicate that I like the turks. I will happily return to this fine country and believe it or not, would be the first in line to repeat the bus experience as the coaches are a good way to see the surrounding country.

In general (sorry for making another generalization), Turks are inquisitive about foriegners (outside tourist areas) and are ready to take you in at a drop of the hat. I can't count the number of times I had short conversations with turkish men and next thing you know they are asking you if I want to join him and his friends that night for punting. I mean not in a million years would I ask someone if they want to go bang a pro after about 5 minutes of conversation. I don't know how I'd slip it in to the conversation.

Peace

Cupid Stunt

I must say, that I did like your field reports very much. I like your style of writing, it's makes the FR such a pleasure to read and it also sounds like you had a real adventure exploring the two cities... a real Indiana Jones !

I agree, i think you handled things/yourself well, you are a braver man than I am.

Pleasure tinged with a slight dash of fear and danger makes the hunt worth while !


no_commit

Great to hear from you. I enrolled on the Priority Club scheme during the first stay there last year... but it will take plenty more stays before i can get a room for free !

The last trip there was one i will not forget. I tried Viagra (generic) for the first time ever and boy did the chemical make me feel (and perform) like a "Porn Star" ! Glad you liked the FR's ;-)

The last time i spoke with Local_Expert, he said he was up for the March/April party... so am I. Bring on the "Precious"but leave the Hobbit at home [sorry CS, just had to say that ;-) ]

The Three Wise Men may become wiser still....

Do you have any dates in mind yet ?


Hedonist

I am certain you are correct about the rates and that we are over paying, i felt that when i was there. I have very limited Turkish language skills and as soon as the girl realises your are a foreigner - when you utter the fatal words "Do you speak English ?" (IMHO) you face an uphill struggle to beat her down to a reasonable or benchmark price.

The first quote each girl offered me at Irmak was always $100 for 1 shot.

The only thing that i could think of to beat the rate down was to "name drop" of other places in the area that i have been too (and not been too) - that seemed to work ('ish). However, it was not a good idea to mention to the girls that i have been to Bacardi Club as that then led to the question "Why you pay me so little ?" They then quote you Bacardi rates in the middle of the afternoon at Irmak !

I guess i will have to learn more Turkish or improve my poker face.

Have you tried any of the other restaurants adjacent to Irmak. I couldn't help but notice that they all had prettier girls there ?


Epicurus

There is a another Holiday Inn near Topkapi Palace. That might be a better bet for being guest friendly.

http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/HOLI/hd/ISTMC

They also seem to be around $30 per night cheaper than the Holiday Inn located at Atakoy.

The only Turkish hookers i've seen in Istanbul were in Nadide & Enjoy Massage Parlour.

hi guys,

well after reading all these reports of istanbul i decided to give the game ago. admittedly this was my first paid sex experience as i'm just student. i was quite surprised with the whole experience, as due to my age i'm only used to having sex with girls who are very inexperienced to say the least, so it was nice to be able to cut out all the formalities and fuck the hell outta a girl like a porn film not having to worry about seein her the next day. it's rare to find a "normal" girl who'd let you do everything you want.

i did a girl called sveta, 25yr old from kalingrad (koningsberg) who seems to fit previous descriptions of the sveta on this board except she had brownish hair, had it been dyed blonde? i'd like to try out some of the other restaurants on the street next time i'm back on uni hols (my parents live there), can speek some turkish and a decent bit of russian so sure i coulda bargained a hell of a lot more, i overpaid at 2hrs for 80 tho as was mentioned before it is so cheap that couldnt really care.

pitty i only discovered this scene now, dont think i'd take it as serious as you guys by travelling places just for the sake of the hunt tho it makes a far better alternative to looking at a porno vid when you just want a fuck and none of the strings attatched.

cheers

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The max price in Irmak is always $50 for 2hrs and you can go down as low as $25 for 3hrs,but you've got to be patient if you wanna have some kind of quality like in Bacardi where the min rate is $100 for 3hrs.Restaurants around Irmak might seem attractive,but you can never feel comfortable like in Irmak where you'll face a fixed bill of about $25-30.

Dear friends need help!,
I am looking for Turkish orginal Video in DVD or web dowloading pay site, I could not find one. If any one is familiar please post or send me PM. Your help is greatly appriciated.

I am looking for adult movie some thing simmilar like the enclosed picyure. This picture I took from a DVD selling website. I could not buy from here because the language is in Turkish and no option in selecting US $, as I am in USA and need to be shipped to USA
Thanks
Princer

On my last night in Istanbul on Tuesday I went to Irmak again, this time to the disco. Irmak is excellent in terms of prices, but I cannot say the same for the quality of girls. I hang out there from 11pm until 1am. I didn't really like any of the girls and decided to move to Seranda. At Irmak I paid 12M TL (~$8) for a beer and bowl of pistacios. At Seranda the entrance to the disco is 20M TL and room in the hotel is 45M TL. I hooked up with an Ukranian beauty for $40 for two hours. In my experience quality in Seranda was better than Irmak. I have been to Irmak before on two other occasions. As Vegamars pointed out no matter what you eat or drink you pay something like 25-30 M TL. In both times I had to sit and wait for a while until a decent girl walked in. Most girls were simply below par.

princer,

i think i have the film you are talking about. i have i think half a dozen turkish porno's on cd-rom in either xvid, divx or mpeg format. they are near dvd quality.

(xvid and divx are to dvd's what mp3 is to audio cd's - high quality rips's at a fraction of the file size, you can squeeze a dvd movie onto a 700mb cd-rom at near dvd quality)

you don't need to buy these on dvd (unless you actually want to ;-) you can convert the xvid and divx file to dvd and burn them, or you can buy stand alone divx players or (as i do, watch on your pc with the right codec)

you can obtain them for free using a file sharing software called emule along with a broadband internet connection (and obvioulsy a good firewall and antivirus software like norton)

you can get more info on emule at

http://www.emule-project.net/


you can download the emule software from

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/emule/emule0.30e-installer.exe

the file size is 4.4mb

below is a screen shot of the software showing what came up when searching for "turk xxx". if you know the name of something specific type it in - i think the film you are after is available.

a 700mb file may take a 2 days to download. whether or not you can download the file at full speed (then just a few hours at broadband) depends on how many people are sharing it.

i tend to download between 5 - 10 files at a time so that i use 80-90% of my bandwidth as not every file will download at full speed.

emule is really great, i have used it to download all sort of music albums, the very latest software from microsoft and others, regular movies and obviously a few porno's - god bless mario salieri, italian porn is good !!!!!)

i can imagine that not everybody likes p2p file sharing, but over the course of a year, i've downlaod 250gb of music, software and movies !!!

if you need more help info, let me know.

Princer,

""Ask Adasi"" is available, see screen shot below.

The file size is 1.12GB with only 9 people sharing it. This means you can get it but it will be slow - you'll need patience !

Princer,

Go to the following site

http://excaliburfilms.com/excal.htm

And type in Istanbul Life in the the movie title search box (check the VHS box ) and you'll find the type of films you are after. (They are only available in VHS-NTSC)

The site is in English, but not sure which country they are based in.


Have Fun

BunnyHopper:

Thanks Thanks and Thanks for the help. I found excaliburfilms.com/ site yesterday, you are right every thing is available on VHS. I will try the file sharing software.

I will keep you posted.

Thanks for your time and effort.

Princer

I went to Seranda on tuesday like 11 pm. 20M enterence fee. There was full of girls with very less hunters at the tables. I sat in the bar. Girls were mostly around 5-7, One or two 8.

A sweety Moldavian, Monica took my attention. She said 100M TL for one hour, she had a sexy shirt showing her boobs made my decision. Indeed you must be very careful couse of poor lights of seranda. Her body was slim and shape as if she is training. She had 8 according to my scale. But face is 5 with bad teeth. I paid 45M for the room. Thinking could I have a better choice. I gave 100M in the room to her.

Anyway sex was good. Starting with BBBJ and many positions. She was good. We finished with doggie. I want she stay and gave another 40M. Again good sex. In 2 hours everything ok. I think she rushed becouse if she went the bar early she could find another customer.

Hey All,

Is it possible for a only english speaker to have 'fun' in Istanbul?

Thanks

BTW could you tell me a better way to hoop up? Bacardi or Nadid?

Thanks again

Chinese Power,

It depends on what you are looking for Naidide is all Turkish girls and except one or two not very good looking. They also need to know you for you to get sex on the spot. Otherwise it will be just a massage. Bacardi is all CIS with very good looking girls. However much more expensive than Nadide and more time consuming.

I will be visiting Istanbul and was curious is there such a thing as a hamam that has women who massage the men and provide "extra" services? I'll be traveling with company and don't want to go clubbing but maybe we all go to a Turkish bath where the men receive some nice extras.

Thanks!

Newbie Steve,

Nope, would be a nice touch though!

The Istanbul section looks a bit dead these days. Rather like Istanbul under the snow. Ah well, as they sing in Porgy and Bess it "ain't necessarily so".

I arrived to Istanbul last Saturday immediately following this winter's worst blizzard. The airport had been closed for 36 hours and consequently the town was full of stranded people from the Middle East, Central Asia, etc. who had missed their one connecting flight that week. Since Turkish law treats blizzards as a force majeur that allows hotel guests to stay in their hotel rooms for as long as they need, my hotel informed me that it was only as a special favour to a return client that they honoured the reservation I had made two months earlier. They are SO kind at hotel Merit Antique... ;-)

And it's not a bad hotel for mongering either: it's located in the nicer part of Laleli, direct at a stop on the tramway that takes you to the touristic areas of town (Hagia Sophia, Galata Bridge), while being only five minutes' walk from the centre of the Russian bar scene around the Mustapha Cemal Street. And, I should add, it is guestfriendly. (But please don't embarras the staff by parading very vulgar girls around.)

As mentioned in an earlier posting, the Yenikapi neighbourhood around Mustapha Cemal is my favourite haunt. A quick guide is the following. Start at the ugly road junction at the top of Mustapha Cemal and walk toward the sea:

1) After one block you have Bacardi Club in a house to your right. It's in the basement and opens late at night.

2) At approximately the same spot, turn left and walk half a block: you will see a short street where the famous Irmak restaurant/bar/discoteque is located. All the bars and restaurants on the street are in the same line of business, but the others are more bent on trickery.

3) Alternatively, turn right and walk for anywhere between a half and two blocks. You're in the neighbourhood selling auto parts, but strewn among these shops you find a number of bars and discoteques, some of them honest, some of them mildly crooked (by which I mean: you may be billed extra, but not up to the point of a complete rip-off). Hotel Serenda with its famous monger-disco is at the far end of this neighbourhood.

4) Back on Mustapha Cemal, continue walking toward the sea. Pass the McDonald and on your right you have the Big Pub music bar (Muzikhol). It opens early, and you can have a beer and a snack in the early afternoon while watching Turkish football on the TV screens.

5) Following it are another couple of places. One of them is downstairs (name?). It also opens early, but I cannot recommend it: the waiters and the girls are "a bit too smart" for my taste.

6) There are a few streetwalkers around Mustapha Cemal. These are Turkish and speak no English. They are very discrete in the sense that they don't hang around, and they won't even stop if YOU hang around and look at them. You need to keep up with their pace and speak to them. (DON'T insult honest women: better to stay in the neighbourhood for a while and identify those women who show up again and again.)

OK, I had three days to spend in Istanbul. Late Saturday afternoon I went to neighbourhood 4) and found a cheap joint where a small group of "Romanian" women (as in "Moldovan"...) were chatting away their boredom with only a few unshaven elderly voyeurs to keep them company. My arrival livened things up a bit. One observation at this place: it pays to dress up!!! Last summer in Istanbul I was another fat slob in a polo shirt and washed up pants and the better looking chicks showed me little to no interest. This winter I arrived in a lacoste pullover and a trenchcoat and they couldn't get enough of me. And this did NOT make their services more expensive - if anything the opposite. I left with a 24 y.o. natural blonde who charged 50 euros for two hours of straight sex. We went to a nearby hotel and got a nice room for which I paid another 30 euros. Finally, I tipped her 20 euros in return for good French kissing and 69 (it's normally part of the service, but one never knows...). She gave me a correct service with a good long BBBJ and two unrushed rounds of penetration. Not exactly GFE, but good value for money nevertheless. Only problem was, she wanted to work entirely without protection and I had a hassle convincing her to accept my using a condom. (Yes, I do prefer BB sex, but if she does it with me it means she does it with everybody else...)

Sunday afternoon I watched a lot of football and drank quite a lot of beer. It was therefore clear that it was not going to be a long night. I went to the Big Pub around 6 p.m. and very quickly picked up a petite black haired Russian woman. She wasn't young (late 30s?), but ultra slim and an excellent dancer (there's a small dance floor - not for gogo but for real couples). The latter caught my attention... she had all the right motions. We went to my hotel, two hours for 50 euros as usual, showered together and used this as foreplay (not all girls will do this), had an OK BBBJ/69 and... my prediction turned out to have been correct. The expert dancer was lively like a case of eels in bed. After my two hours she left and I collapsed on my bed.

Monday afternoon I went to Irmak, but had big trouble finding an English speaking girl. (That's a common problem there, I'm afraid. It's much better in some of the other places.) Finally a waiter helped me to a goodlooking 22 y.o. Ukrainian girl who could speak the lingo. Unfortunately, she was also bent on jingo, so I left her in a hotel room a little later, having paid only the room rate. She told me sternly that "Two hours don't mean two hours. How much sex do you want?", then proceeded to tell me that she never kisses. Come off it babe, we're not in London!

Monday evening, having checked Bacardi and found the girls beautiful, cold-faced and expensive, I went to another one of the places in 4) neighbourhood. There I picked up a 5.10 (three inches more than myself) 21 y.o. Ukrainian girl. (50 euros as usual.) We went to a local hotel, and she gave me the nearest I came to a GFE on this trip. I licked her pussy and her ass, and she took this as a sign of my "tendencies", so in her turn she stuck her tounge at least one inch (I swear!) into my a**hole. Then, when I came on her she exclaimed "You won't stick it in my ass! Or will you?" and smiled coquettishly. Considering I hadn't paid extra for a-levels it was very generous of her, but I declined. It is not really my thing.

A good three-day experience therefore, for a couple of houndreds. I know I'm not in the majority on this board, but I for one recommend Istanbul as a mongering destination.

Folks,

My FR Istanbul. Being aware this forum is not as active as others are I still gained substantial basic knowledge before starting. Thanks to all who contributed to it before.

Temperature was 3 C and light snowing which might had an impact to the activities on the streets.

Went to Aksaray heading for the famous Irmak street – have not found the street itself, at least no sign saying Irmak, but came to the area where all the activity is going on.

Between 06:00pm and 08:00pm there were quite a number of SW, seeming to be all from the CIS states, on the street which actively approached me, however quality was definite below par. Those looking nicer were definitely waiting for the bus only. The pimps on the street upset me for offering something I may get better without there support. But a lady in the age to be my mother offended my most when actively offering her services and did not give way. Anyhow that is part of the game. Talked to some of SWs and were offered as low as TLR 20MIO for 20 minutes in there own hotel, however this is not my cup of tea if they are not looking nice.

Went to Big Pub but was as quick out as I were inside, because could not become comfortable with the atmosphere. The set-up of all those discos and bars seemed to me as a kind of rip-off and some of you folks have experienced that already, so no need to repeat.

Finally called Alexsandra and asked for an outcall to my Hotel (Hilton Taksim). She agreed to come and were absolute on time.

Look: 8
- Face: 9
- Body: 7
- Breast: 8 (assumed to be 70/75B)
Size: approx 170 cm, 34
Nationality: Ukrainian
Rate: EUR 125,00 for 120mins plus TRL 15MIO for Taxi
Service: CBJ/FS (have not asked for French kiss or anal)
Language: English limited but acceptable for some conversation.

Attitude: well serving, little bit hurrying to my expectation because she wanted to got to club. Funny sweet person. In general good girl friend experience but somehow seemed to be a little bit mechanic.

Remarks: demanded money up front, delivered as agreed in return. Willing to come to hotel without big discussion. Get your own condoms, those she was using seemed to be former tyres for bikes.

Rating: I do recommend her and would contact her again when back in Istanbul

As usual I am willing to share her mobile number with you folks, but on request via PM only. First timers, having not submit reports to the forum will not be served.

Istanbul is not the mongering station to go to, but it is not to bad if you are there anyhow.

Take care folks,

TOM

Tom,

Glad you enjoyed Istanbul, if perhaps not the Yenikapi neighbourhood. Just a couple of words in response to your posting:

1) Irmak is not a street. It is the name of the principal restaurant/bar/discoteque in a small street, which hosts another 3-4 mongering places.

2) The Big Pub is not a rip-off place. Quite the opposite: when they get to know you they even absolve you from the otherwise inevitable snacks (cover charge disguised as salted nuts...) thus making the whole thing much cheaper. The problem is, the premises are shabby and run down, so if you feel unconfortable in places that don't look like Europe in the 21st century you'll feel uncomfortable here. That said, the rip-off places are usually the glitzy and glossy ones. The dark and mushy music bars mostly cater to the locals.

I visited Istanbul over the last weekend and had long sessions with three different girls, now would like to share my experience.

Some background information; I am Turkish, have been living abroad for about 15 years. Though being Turkish, don’t know Istanbul well. I read the articles posted in this forum and tried to follow guidelines, starting from Irmak.

I live in US, but visiting Europe for business for a few weeks. Before flying to Istanbul, downloaded a map from internet that shows all relevant streets and purchased two packs of condoms. I also purchased lots of chocolate to give as gifts to my to-be-entertainers.

Day 1

I arrived at Ataturk airport around 8PM after a 3 hours flight from Europe and took a taxi to Holiday Inn, costing less than 10 mil. Next to Galleria shopping center and Crown Plaza hotel near the airport, it is an ideal location. You are not going to shoot all day long, so you might need some relaxation, go to a movie, read something, eat and buy small gifts, etc.

Daily rate was $59, but not possible to access your room via separate sections as posted earlier. When you bring someone, hotel personnel want you to register the guest, but sometimes it is possible to pass through the reception without being noticed, when the registration area is deserted.

As far as I understood, guest registration requires either a passport or an identification document by Turkish government. All girls said this is expected and presented their passports or identification cards without any objection. One of the girls had even a legitimate Turkish identification card, and told me she bought it paying a few hundred bucks 3-4 years ago. She said it is authentic and uses it all the time to come to Turkey. The ladies I met are legally entering the country, getting their visas at the entry point. Two of the girls were from Ukraine, and other one from Hungary(my favorite one). Interesting point, Turkey does not require a visa from these countries, but they want a real visa from Turkish citizens.

Anyway, hotel people are nice and don’t object to anything, you can have the lady until the morning. When you bring someone, people sometimes look at you, but don’t care much.

In the room, took a quick shower and called the reception to get a taxi. I told the taxi driver ‘Aksaray’ and that was sufficient, all the taxies heading to Aksaray during my three days always went to the same street, Mustafa Kemal Caddesi. I had the full address and a map from Internet so it did not take much time to locate Irmak. It was after 9:30PM and I always felt safe, a few guys tried to talk to me, but I simply ignored them.

First visited the restaurant section of Irmak and had a soup. There are many nice ladies, but this is Friday night and the place is packed full. I had to sit with another guy who was drinking his last Raki. There was no problem, these are peaceful people. After finishing the meal, paid the check (about 10M) and proceeded to the smaller section where you can drink a coffee.

There were 5 ladies and 1 other guy, excluding the 3-4 waiters. I guess, this is normal during March time when Istanbul does not get many tourists. I sat down in a location to check for the ladies, and two of them seem like 7-8, others less. After a coffee, I walk up and invite one of the better ones to my table.

Lady is from Ukraine, blond, about 30-years of age, 1.70M, seems to have large boobs, etc. She is attractive and speaks both English and Turkish. She orders a cocktail, which is possibly the most expensive drink in the arsenal, and asks my name, profession, etc. Prefers speaking in English. We have a nice conversation for about 10-15 minutes and finally get down to the price. I like the lady, feel her looks and reckon I can bang her for hours.

I mention that Irmak is well known over the internet and that’s the reason I am there. She got truly surprised to hear that and finally quotes a price of 50 euros for 2 hours and 100 euros for the night. Better than expected, I was thinking, may be she would quote much more to start with. I guess the business is slow at this time, I mean there is one other guy sitting across and he does not seem very interested with the ***** business.

I ask about BJ and other stuff, and she says she does everything except anal sex. I settle for 2-hours option but she wants the money right away and does not object coming to Holiday Inn. Yes, it is odd that she wants the money right there, but I feel confident I am not being ripped off. I pay her 50 euros, and 20Mil for the tab and 5Mil for the tip, then we head for a cab.

Cab costs less than 10Mil and trip takes about 10 minutes, after registering here at the reception, we head to our room.

She is talkative, we talk about a lot of things, Ukraine, Turkey, the countries I visited and lived, life, how she ended up as a *****, etc, for about 30 minutes. She is a university graduate and not as dumb as American girls back at home. I feel it is unjust that educated eastern girls like this lady had to work as *****s while world’s dumbest girls back home enjoy the amenities of a developed nation (LOL - just kidding).

After the shower together, we start passionately in the bed. She does BBBJ, though no request from my side. It is a 30-minutes premium sucking service, more than enough to arouse me for the rest of the night. This is followed with sex(always protected) in several positions. I can watch us from the mirror, adding more pleasure to the experience. She seems very much like enjoying it. I keep telling her, if it hurts, tell me. We kiss all over, except I don’t eat her. It took about 2-hours before I came on her behind. Except for resting for a 1-2 minutes between different positions, banging went on for 2 hours, wow! I start thinking that’s why we need *****s. Girlfriend back home, would start complaining after 15-20 minutes.

It is already after midnight, I feel a little bit tired, but decide to buy her for the rest of the night. She does not request the money right away and does not complain that we already passed 2-hours limit.

We order something to eat, the hotel has room service until 3AM over the weekends. Watch TV, and can still find common subjects to talk about.

After another shower we start over and have sex for another 2 hours, this time I can’t finish the job, but that’s still lots of pleasure as she sucks my balls out of their places and engages in slow-gentle-fucking.

I ask her what would happen if I use Viagra. She says I would get non-stop erection for, may be, 10-15 hours, but I would feel very exhausted after that and could not possibly do a thing for 2-3 days. I am excited at the idea of 10-15 hours of slow-banging with a hard dick.

We sleep until 9AM and start over again. After 30-40 minutes of joyous morning sex, I come again, this time in missionary position.

After the morning session, it is time to part, and I ask a few questions; such as where I can find a Turkish *****, she says she knows one who usually waits in another restaurant nearby. We exchange phone numbers and she promise that she would introduce the Turkish lady.

I also ask about the police raids and how the customers and *****s are dealt in such cases. She says, police comes to Irmak every other week, sometimes collecting eastern women from multiple locations for a checkup. All of these girls are legally staying in the country and police is only interested if any of the girls has any disease. If they find one, they immediately deport, otherwise they let the girl return back to Irmak or wherever she is working.

She mentioned about other countries she visited. For example, in Dubai you would go to prison and undercover officers try to frame you before the arrest. On the other hand, Arab men also have ‘yarrak’ (a nice slang for penis) and show great interest in whoring. She mentioned about 6-months prison times in Dubai.

I present a big box of chocolate as a gift and she is delighted. I finally call a taxi and escort her to the lobby. People look at us, she is not dressed like a *****, but it is clear she is an eastern girl. People quickly conclude that she is a *****. I don’t budge and look at the people’s faces directly, showing absolutely no sign of embarrassment.

Day 2

I have not slept enough, but hey, I am here for *****-banging for 2.5 days. I can sleep later.

I visit Galleria, 3-5 minutes walk from the hotel. Eat doner kebap, go to a movie that I missed at home and do some window-shopping. Galleria is not that bad, even better than those dumb malls in East Coast. Most of the customers are from eastern countries, possibly *****s spending their hard-earned dollars/euros.

Now I wanna visit Seranda, but it is still too early, so I get a taxi, go back to Aksaray. I spot a small drugstore on Mustafa Kemal Caddesi. BunnyHopper might have mentioned about the same place, but I did not see a Bayer logo. Asked the guy if they have Viagra and could sell without a prescription. That’s an absurd question in Turkey, of course they would sell it without a prescription. My doctor back in US would never prescribe me Viagra.

The price for 4 tablets was 69.5 Mil, 21 Mil more expensive than what BunnyHopper quoted. But, it was clear that the drug was genuine, there was Pfizer logo and prize was also attached. Anyway, I would not care about the price difference much. I bought 4 pills of 50mg for 69.5 mil. There was another option, 4 pills of 100mg for 103Mil.

It is 5-ish, then proceeded to Irmak.

Now the place is more crowded, may be 5 *****-bangers and 11-12 girls. Men come in and go out after checking the scene. Some of the men are badly shaved, difficult to imagine *****s would accept them, I mean they are ugly and seem dangerous, but hey money buys everything for every one.

Anyway, I sat down at a table alone and call my friend from previous day to go for this Turkish girl. No response, I try 10-15 times for the next 30 minutes sipping coffee. I now decide to choose another girl and see an older woman around 35 years-old. I immediately like her, there are much better looking girls with better bodies, but I have instincts, this lady will give me whatever I want tonight.

I invite her and talk to her for the next 20-25 minutes. Again similar subjects. She is short-petite-brunette with short hair. I learn that she is from Ukraine and worked as a kindergarten teacher for several years before government wages sharply plunged to next to nothing. We have definitely connected and agree on the price without any problem, 50 euros for 2 hours and 100 euros for the night.

The check was now 38 Mil, because of 4 cups of coffee I consumed and her cocktail.

Took a cab and went back to the hotel. Quick registration, the clock hits 6PM when we hit the room. Plenty of time ahead, and she does not request the money right away. After 20-25 minutes of talk about different things, we start kissing, and go to shower. While she is in the shower, I take half of a Viagra pill following Mr. Hopper’s advise. That starts showing impact after 10-15 minutes and really woow! After a night of 4-5 hours of sucking/fucking how’s that sound? That would be almost impossible for me without the pill, even if you bring Pamela Anderson right there.

She comes out of shower and we start business. Her ass is quiet nice, and I observe it from the mirror when she sucks me. She does BBBJ without any question and even ready for unprotected sex. These ladies would not mind, but it is better to do protected. Anyway, I feel like my penis is going to hit the roof and she sucks and sucks and sucks, sloooowly for 25-30 minutes. Then sits on top of it slowly fucking it, moaning, while I am watching everything from the mirror. Nice, and I would cum probably within minutes under these circumstances, but does not happen. Goes on like 2-hours, different positions, I finally come while banging her from behind, stomach on the bed. We are all sweating over, breathing hard during the session.

I decide to keep her, rather than going back to find another *****. We agree on additional 50 euros, and it is still long way to go during the night. Amazing, my dick is already hard, waiting to be served. She starts sucking again, does not show a single clue of disappointment. I keep telling her, if it hurts or you get tired, let me know, we can stop.

While she was sucking, I open the TV and find a Russian channel. There are some pretty nice songs and she starts watching TV with me. She explains the meaning of songs and I try to sing the melody of a Turkish song adapted from an old Russian folk song. She sings me the original song explaining the meaning. I like the song and I like her.

Going back to business, I bang her for the next 1-1.5 hours, dick is not going down under no circumstances. I stand up and let her suck and observe the scene from mirror. Pretty nice. Then I ask if I come in her mouth, she says yes, but wouldn’t swallow. I cum after another 15-20 minutes, just on her body after a very-fast missionary type. If you are desperate to cum, you can take one leg of her to support your very fast movement. Most ladies don’t like it, but she did not complain, I cum even better then the first one.

Close to 1AM, I got her number, but she was set to leave this Wednesday. I presented a nice chocolate box to her, she thanked, we kissed, called a taxi for her. She left on her own without me escorting her.

Anyway, I was sure I could go on with banging business until the next several hours, but I was very sleepy so go to bed. Slept until 1PM.

Day 3

Woke up at 1PM after 12 hours of sleep. Take a shower and go to Galleria to eat another kebab, may be catch another movie later. 2-3 hours later, I call the first night’s lady, Hmmm, another lady responds. This is possibly her friend. She says she is available, but that’s not I’m asking about it, I mention about this Turkish lady, but she does not know and turns a negative attitude. I say bye and start planning. I feel like I am not going to do it today, my flight is tomorrow morning, but why waste one more day? I can use the other half of Viagra pill from yesterday.

What is going to happen to other three pills? I have no idea where I am going to use them, because they must be used for serious banging, possibly multiple prostitutes during the same night. Using it against a regular gal is not going to be merciful. These must be properly utilized on pros.

In Galleria, I see some Turkish men sitting with beautiful ladies. I mean, the guys are quite ugly, not shaved, possibly coming from rural areas to pay a visit to banging business in Istanbul. You look at the girls sitting next to these guys and some of them are among the prettiest I have ever seen. What a conflicting scene! Woman don’t seem happy and guys don’t seem like pimps. 2 men 3 girls, conclusion is; money buys everything.

I catch a taxi and go to Irmak again. My strategy is clear, now I am looking for a lady at least 8-9 range, if I don’t find it here go to other places later. I also think about going to this restaurant where the Turkish lady is waiting for customers, but I still want to check Irmak.

Now, Sunday evening, the place is full, nowhere to sit. Lots of girls (15-20 of them) and may be 7-8 guys. All people are sitting mixed around the tables, even though they have no common business. Waiters know me and I tell them to put me in a table with 4 girls which seem quite high on the scale. This is going to be costly, because I have to buy drinks for 4 women. I am not thinking about hiring 2 or 3 of them together, I am still focused on just one lady.

Three Moldavian and one Hungarian. Each of them is at least 8, but 2 girls sitting on one side seem very young, might be even younger than 18. They are relatively short, but attractive. On the other hand, two on the other side are older, 25-30 range, but they are taller and prettier. I make an early decision, Hungarian or Moldavian, ignoring the younger ones.

Both are beautiful, but Hungarian seems more welcoming. I like her, she is about 1.70M, brunette, large boobs, very nice ass, awesome, definitely better than the first 2 nights. Question is can we connect and have a joyous night? We talk about Hungary, Budapest, European Union, the situation back home, etc.

I make a final decision after 10-15 minutes and decide to go with the Hungarian. Moldavian might be a stunner, but I have little evidence it will turn out to be a lovely night with her. I don’t want anything mechanical, passionate long sex is number one priority.

Our lady quotes 100Mil for 2 hours and 170 Mil for the night. It is slightly higher than first 2, but that’s OK, all night still comes to 105 euros.

The check was 46M and head-waiter now complained about the tip, which was 4Mil. Why don’t you leave a 10Mil he asked. I didn’t like his attitude and didn’t tip him more.

The key point out of this is that I don’t want to spend this much money in Irmak or other places. I gotta have several connections and call them when I am in town. Most of these ladies return back to Istanbul on a regular basis and stay for a month or 2. I would love to have Turkish connections and my plan is to improve upon it when I visit next time. I kept thinking about this and when I can come back to the city next time, while riding the taxi together with the Hungarian beauty.

I had a lot of Hungarian friends, but never had sex with a Hungarian lady. Some people from Hungary had claimed that Turks and Hungarians originate from the same roots, seriously doubt it.

She registers at the hotel using a Turkish identification card! I ask if she is married to a Turkish guy, she says she got it a few years back, bribing a few hundred bucks. This is authentic, I mean she uses to enter the country. She says, it is not possible anymore because the law has been changed, you had to stay married to a Turkish citizen for 5 years she says.

We get to the room, again she turns out to be quite talkative and prefers Turkish. I like her from the first moment. She takes off her clothes slowly, and it is a stunner, definitely a 9. Now I feel like I wanna kiss every inch of her body. I think, I am going to eat her, yes I wanna eat her.

While she is in the shower, I consume the rest of the pill from yesterday.

We go to bed naked and pill does its work like that. It is skyrocketing now, my guest likes it a lot. She says, it is a like a ‘sopa’ (stick) . She speaks Turkish quite good and uses all types of words, ‘yarrak’ (penis), ‘sikmek’(fucking), ‘got’(ass), etc. She use these words during the intercourse and I am overjoyed to hear that a girl is moaning your native language during sex using all foul words. This would be one reason why I would want to have sex with a Turkish girl.

She sucks softly for about 20 minutes, and then I suck her, first time in my life, her vagina is so beautiful. This might even sound disgusting for some folks, but she taught me how I should eat her and that was a very good feeling, as you suck her, she masturbates using your tongue and truly enjoys the moments, moaning deeply. You realize that she is not faking. Yes, I like her.

We have then sex at different positions, but during missionary position, she uses my stick for about 30-minutes to reach orgasm. I can feel how she gives different angles to her vagina, basically do the real fucking. She says, ‘oooh, sopa gibi yarrak’ (penis like a stick). Folks, I guarantee you that she is not faking. I am not in a position to finish, but I enjoy every moment. Thanks to her and Viagra.

She then sits, but having achieved the orgasm, it is now more mechanical. But I still enjoy the scene from the mirror. Very nice, beautiful and round ass ramming my penis.
I suck her large and natural boobs. She is fantastic and uses all those foul words.

We try a couple of more positions, but I can not just finish. I don’t want to hurt her and a little bit tired, I say let’s wait for some time. I tell her, I wanna keep it for the rest of the night and later pay her 50 more euros. She has a stunning body, no question about it.

We order room service and eat together, talk about our past experiences. I talk about the women of my past, and she does the same, talking about her ex-husband, her disappointments, etc. Amazing detail from our conversation is that when she started whoring she was not very experienced, having had sex with only 2 men until then. I have a feeling that she was telling the truth because she covered the details quite consistently.

After midnight, we start the business again and continue for one more hour but no success. I open the erotic channels, but they are not going to help much. My dick is like a stick but won’t happen.

Now we rest and talk about other ladies, I ask if she has another friend she can offer me if come back later. She says yes, and talks about another Hungarian lady. I talk about a 2-some, and she says yes, we can do it. We exchange the numbers.

We talk about the activity in other parts of Istanbul. She says, Taksim area is full of transsexuals and she does not like them. She told me about one weird story. She was once hired by a homosexual. She, of course didn’t know until she arrived to the hotel room. It was a suite with two rooms. This newly wed male couple from Amsterdam visited Istanbul for honeymoon, and one of them (wife) had decided to fuck a female and brought our lady to his room. Our lady sees the other guy and becomes nervous, then she was explained the situation that the other guy wouldn’t touch her, could not touch her anyway. Wife fucks our lady and during the intercourse, husband waits in the other room.

Amazing, right?

We were quite tired and went to sleep after 1AM. Woke up at 5AM to catch the flight, but she wants me to finish. So, I eat her again, bangs missionary position, she got orgasm, talks dirty, all similar to previous night and then I cum all over her, in about 45 minutes.

45 minutes later, we catch separate taxis, one to her hotel, one to the airport.

Lessons learned;

1-) Don’t tip, or if you tip, keep it to a minimum, otherwise expectations will always be higher. If possible, try to have a table for yourself only and invite your lady. Sometimes this is not possible as there are not enough places.

2-) Be nice to your lady friends, talking for at least 20-25 minutes before the intercourse and being nice is going to be rewarding later. Try small gifts, such as chocolate.

3-) If you are planning to visit Istanbul a few times over the next few months, try building relationships. Target at least one connection. Connections might help you achieve more connections. I will visit Istanbul and plan to have two-some with Hungarian beauties.

4-) Price for a lady in Irmak should never exceed 100 euros for an all nighter, unless the lady is a true hit. But, true hits very rarely play well in bed. If you are clean, shaved and have good outfit, regardless of your attractiveness scale, the ladies will probably choose you over others with reasonable pricing, possibly less than 50 euros per night. Ladies, especially the ones working on other countries are afraid of unexpected incidences, thus reject low-level Turkish guys from time-to-time. I did not cover the details above, but I heard dark stories from each of my three guests. Each claimed that they make a selection, and don’t accept every request. I am not sure if they are telling me the truth.

5-) Use protection These ladies do checkup from time-to-time, like every six months, but they do it with others without protection. The chances might be smaller compared to western countries, however would you take a flight anywhere if the plane would go down with a minor possibility of even 1%?

6-) I have the impression that Irmak scene will be much different during summer, possibly much less choices. Whenever I visit Irmak, found enough choices, and female/male ratio was more than 2.

Summary;

Lots of sucking, hours of fucking, I definitely enjoyed Istanbul scene and will go back at the first opportunity.

Priamos,

Thanks for the coments and I blieve you are right. Honestly I am more in outcalls and there is the scene not to good at least I did not got any numbers. The other problem is I am always on business trip and have only a couple of hours on time to spent. This gives a certain preassure to get it done.

And last but not least, my jacket was not for the actual temps, thus having a cold now.

Take care and have fun,

Tom

Aslan,

Nice report, glad you enjoyed your time.

Those little pills really are a wonder drug - a must from now on !

The stuff i bought was a generic, called Vigrande 50 (i think) and the price was electronically printed onto it (40 something mill i think). I can imagine that Pfizer is more expensive.

I also agree, that these pills really wear you out. Your "Stick" will stay rock hard for hours but the rest of your body lags behind - adequate sleep is very important.

Each time i have been to Irmak, i have always thought that the girls at the places adjacent are more nicer, but never investigated this - the waiters seem more pushy (as you walk past) and the girls i picked up from Irmak have always told me that the adjacent places charge the punters more.

Has anybody investigated these joints ?

For a Turkish hooker, perhaps you should have tried the massage parlours, they all have turkish girls and you can get their number for an outcall later. There is Nadide & Enjoy and i am sure cab drivers will know of others in the city.

Ankara is the place for Turkish hookers (Tally Ho ! LE how are things in Ankara ?).

When i was there last time during December, the secondary entrances to the accomodation blocks at the Holiday Inn were locked (i guess because of bombs) - but when taking a girl back i was never asked to sign one in. This is a difference now.

Also i think i'd prefer to stay now in a hotel closer to Aksaray - anybody got any suggestions ?

Anything new in Istanbul - off the beaten track ??


Enjoy.

BunnyHopper,

I fully agree with you, was back in Istanbul this weekend (second in a row) and planning to cover additional details.

I used two half-pills within several hours, stupid of me, and I felt dizzy at some point. During a course of 2.5 days, I consumed 2 full pills, I guess it is just too much. Expectations always go higher. For people like us, as we don't really need it, I would recommend using it less often, may be once in a month, especially when you plan to have sex with more than 2 girls during the same night.

I was with my Hungarian lady most of the time and she knows about where to stay nearby, and which other joints we could visit. She mentioned about some pub names I never heard. I will call her and get the required info and post it here.

I believe, Istanbul is much better than Ankara in every respect, including Turkish hookers. We just don't know where to look.

What you are saying about Holiday Inn might still be correct, may be I just didn't push the hotel guys enough to get a free pass. This week, I also stayed there but never visited Irmak.

Anyway, I will post the details before the end of this week.

Aslan Kral

BunnyHopper;

I spoke with the lady, she mentioned about 3 nearby hotels;

1-) Merit Antiq
2-) Topkapi Eresin
3-) Akgun Hotel

She said, you usually wouldn't need any registration in these hotels.

I asked about other places. She mentioned that there are only a few girls in the nearby restaurants. It is possible to find nice girls, but these places charge more money for drinks and if you take a girl out, they increase tab substantially.

She mentioned that disco section of Irmak is now quite lively, better than before. Most ladies go up there when it is late. This explains why I could find only 5 girls downstairs around 9:30PM on a Friday evening. On the other hand, early Sunday evening, there were more than 15.

She also mentioned about some private houses where the eastern girls are pimped, but wouldn't give an address. She said most of the girls are being sold against their will in those places and she herself narrowly escaped one such place.

Probably many people on this forum already heard about eastern girls being manipulated back home with a promise of a regular job in another country and then forced to prostitution after being shipped to a third country. According to her, this also happens in Turkey and she mentioned about another Hungarian girl she knows, went through a similar deal several years ago.

Aslan Kral

Aslan,

If i remember correctly, i took one pill per day, for i think three consequetive days. Half a pill for the afternoon/early evening session and another half for the night time session.

Perhaps i was over doing it and didn't need to take the night time half pill. But it was fun anyway and at the end of my stay i was totally exhausted having screwed in the same league as a pornstar !

On each occassion when i took the half pills, i too felt a little giddy after about 15 - 20 mins and that lasted about 5 - 10 mins. I think my face was flushed a little but i felt OK.

I was weary about taking the pill, so i read up about it on other sections in the WSG and this feeling "giddy" felling is normal.

It sounds like security at the Holiday Inn is tightening up. On the very first visit there, there was no signing in and the secondary entrances were all open. On the following visits the secondary doors were locked but still no need to sign in guests - clearly this has now changed.

To get the girls in i didn't need to do anything, just walked straight past reception - perhaps it is just tighter security (which i accept totally given the state of the world today).

The Holiday Inn is reasonably priced, good rooms and hassle free - would recommend it to anyone.

I only went to Nadide once, that was on my first trip to Istanbul, and the Turkish hookers weren't spectacular (but i was offered a cell number for a later outcall) - i saw more nicer regular girls in the bars in Taksim - i think Turkish girls are very pretty !

Given that Istanbul is such a massive city, i am sure that there are upmarket Turkish Girls - only problem is we don't know where :- (

You might also want to take a look at Bacardi, go in (free entry), have a cola and have a look - you don't have to buy just browse !. Of the places on the beaten track that get talked about on the WSG, i think this place easily has the prettiest girls in town.



Anyway have fun !

Regarding the consumption of viagra by people like us, who don't really have an erectal problem, but just use viagra for, shall we say, "recreational" purposes, it is well known that recreational viagra users often --in fact, habitually-- over medicate. It is true that each body must find it's own equalibrium with the pill, but I have personally found the best results are to use tiny amounts of viagra, like 15 mgs. Often I go viagra-free for the first shot, then pop a 12-15mg sliver of the blue for the second/third pop.

Those who indulge in a full 50mgs, often maintain very strong wood for extended periods of time, but cannot easily acheive orgasm. Also if you take viagra tonight at midnight, the stuff is still in your system the next day. So you don't need to pop more blue right away. Practise going viagra free for the first pop, then go easy on the amount and you will have fewer problems with orgasm. In fact you may flow freely but with great control. Try it, you'll like it.

I am fairly new to the Istanbul scene but am learning fast thanks to all of the excellent information on the board.

I have been to Nadide twice and had one good experience and one pretty dull one.

The first time I went I was taken into a main reception room with about 10 girls sitting around chatting and drinking tea. I was offered a tea and got a chance to have a look at everything on offer. The standard wasn't very high and nobody seemed to speak English. Eventually I chose a busty dark-haired girl who smiled a lot probaby a 6/7. She spoke a bit of French (as do I) so we managed to strike up a conversation.

After paying at the desk, she took me to the massage room, locked the door and asked me to undress. I got on the massage bench and after a long massage she started to give me a BJ. She was up for kissing and was fine with full sex. The only problem was that it wasn't very comfortable on that narrow massage bench. Still it was all pretty good and I left with a smile on my face.

The second time was completely different. She wasn't there when I went back and this time I chose a skinny blonde (looked like a 7 at first but more like a 5 when you get close). She took me in the room, gave me a massage and kissed a little but she wouldn't do a BJ or have sex. She said something about the police. She took off her top and her knickers but was very mechanical and cold. She gave me a handjob and the whole experience was a bit depressing. I definitely didn't leave with a smile this time.

I don't really feel like going back there again.

Can anyone send any phone numbers of ladies who can show me a better time? It would be much appreciated.

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Next step I will try all the bars I have heard so much about.

Keep up the good work.

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Folks,

I visited Istanbul for one night and stayed in Akgun Hotel near Aksaray. I called one of my ladies and she did not need to go through registration, directly came to my room. The hotel quality is good enough and a few minutes from Aksaray area by taxi.

We had sex for 5, yes 5 long(1-2 hours each) sessions that started around 1PM and went until modnight with a 3-hours dinner break in a nice restaurant. Needless to say, I used Viagra.

Good part is I was flying from NYC and had arrived in the morning around 11AM. Usually I would need to sleep for a few hours before engaging in any type of activity. My lady sucked and fucked so intensively I could not think about sleeping until midnight.

I have seen other guys taking beatiful chicks to their rooms, hotel does not care about it. If you know the lady beforehand, she can directly come to your room and these ladies usually are stationed nearby.

The price was 71 USD including taxes and breakfast. I booked it using a website, hotelsturkey.com.

According to my lady, there are not too many customers visiting Irmak or similar places at this time of the year. The business is slow and if I visit again I should go up to disco section. She mentioned that a Turkish *****-singer comes to Irmak around 2:30AM most nights and I might buy her, though she could be expensive. She mentioned about other Turkish ladies but did not provide enough detail though I insisted on it. She says I should not hire any Turkish or Romanian girl.

We woke up around 5:30AM, I had to catch a flight, we had some time but I couldn't do anything. A nice, receiving lady nakedly seduces you in the bed, touching and kissing but you can't do anything because of so much sex previous day.

Aslan

Folks,

I would write a report about my previous visit to Istanbul the week of March 12.

I arrived on Friday evening and left early Monday morning. During 3 nights I had sex with 3 different girls, but 4 different sessions. I liked one of the girls and had her for 2 nights.

On Saturday, I had sex with two different girls, 2 4-hour sessions starting 8PM until like 4AM. It wasn't 2-some and the first girl did not give BBBJ. Both were referred by other girls and I never visited Irmak or any other place this time. The girls were all nice, 7-9 range and committed to long-passionate sex. For all 4 sessions, I used a half-pill of Viagra and felt very dizzy during Saturday. I made a mistake and took 2 half-pills during the same day, a few hours apart. That wasn't necessary.

I got a lot of phone numbers and several more connections, every lady seems to have a best-friend or 2 and recommends if requested.

Ladies came to my hotel and I covered for the taxi fare. As I mentioned in my previous posting, if you stay in a hotel like Akgun Hotel, you just wait in your hotel room because no registration is required. This time, I still stayed in Holiday Inn and had to go through the registration process.

The pricing was reasonable in each case, 120-150 euros for the entire night, including taxi fare.

Now, I might go back early April, but still can not arrange more than 2-3 days. The best would be to stay for a week and have sex with 5-6 different ladies. I guess I would feel somewhat satisfied by then.

Aslan

Holiday Inn a little far from Laleli. Can anybody recommend me an acceptable hotel in Laleli area close to action for upto $50/night?

Been doing some research here and have found some great info.

But I've been going over maps on the net and I can't figure out where all these great places are. Can anyone help me? I have figured out that they are somewhere not too far west of the Blue Mosque, so I have nailed down the general araea, but what are the large streets or monuments that would mark where the action is? I can't find the Mustapha Cemal (Mustafa Kemal?) street. Does anyone have a map with Serenda Hotel, Irmak, etc ... ? Can anyone give me directions so I don't end up relying on some cab driver who may or may not understand me and may or may not be honest?

Plus, like Hedonist, I'd also be interested in a girl friendly hotel near the action for around $50. Akgun and Eresin look good, but are a little expensive.

Yes, Akgun Hotel and Topkapi Eresin are both more expensive. After April 1st, Akgun would possibly cost more than $80-90 per night.

There is another Holiday Inn near Aksaray: Holiday Inn Istanbul City. Price seems reasonable.

Anyone stayed there? Any recommendation?

Aslan Kral

Catalyst;

If you do a search on Google using the expression 'Istanbul Map', you can find quite detailed maps of Istanbul. It is not like mapquest where you can enter the directions, at least I could not find such a one. But, still, it should be quite helpful. I purchased Marco Polo map of Istanbul for about 6-7 euros and I can clearly see the street names in Aksaray and Laleli. I also used the addresses posted in previous messages for Irmak and Seranda.

For directions, if you are coming from Sahil Yolu; turn left on Mustafa Kemal Caddesi, any driver would know. Just tell the driver to go to Laleli via Mustafa Kemal Caddesi. Once the car turns to Mustafa Kemal Caddesi, after a few hundred yards you will come to a traffic light and observe small shops on both sides of the road, and a McDonalds on the left slightly ahead. Leave the taxi at that traffic light. Go up the main road and turn the second right and then turn the first immeadiate left. Irmak is at the beginning of the street, you can't miss it.

You might increase your chance to avoid any potential problem with a taxi driver. For example, if you stay in a hotel, then you can use a taxi arranged by the hotel. There are nearby taxi stations and usually hotel personnel call these taxies for the guests.

Irmak has a few sections, you should go to either Disco section or a small section next to the main restaurant. It depends on the time. Disco opens at 10, and it might be best to go there around 10-11. If you want to go there before 10, then be there around 7-8. I tried it once on Sunday between 7-8 and was able to find 15-20 girls. The timings and availability of the girls might change with the season. Needless to say, weekdays might be better as demand goes down sharply.

Aslan Kral

I talked to one of my ladies about Holiday Inn Istanbul City. She said it is nearby, relatively new and does not require guest registration. The price for early April is about 56-57USD excluding taxes.

Aslan Kral

I will be in IST during May. Was planning on Renaissance Polat hotel near the airport.
Does anyone have any knowledge about this place?

Girl Friendly?

Any action nearby or in the hotel itself?

How far in Irmak?

Thanks

'Bare

Hi y'all
I don't currently have a map and I too am at a loss in terms of the location those places, notably seranda and bacardi. If you refer to this map:

http://www.euroave.com/maps/01map.php?xcity=istanbul&glj=1006

Irmak is located on the closes street parallel to Mustafa Kemal Caddesi and is sandwiched between Mesih Pasa and Sait Efendi.

As far as hotels go, the lovely Viktoria took me to a hotel which the name evades me as sussing out new places to stay was the furthest thing on my mind. It seemed decent enough and cost about 45US which is likely close to the day rate.

In any event, try and wheel into town early on the day of your travels head to Irmak, make friends with a lovely lady and she'll be your tour guide. May seem to be a bit risky due to lack of having firm travel plans but I'm sure it'll work out.

Um, ok - nevermind. I looked at a decent map (instead of the flaky internet map I was using) and I can see that Mustafa Kemal Caddesi is a pretty big and main street in Istanbul.

In case anyone else is having the same problems I did, here are directions to find Mustafa Kemal Caddesi:

Start at the Aya Sofya and go west on the main thoroughfare Divan Yolu, which becomes Ordu Caddesi after about 1/2 mile. After another 1/2 mile or so you get to Akseray Square, where Ordu Caddesi crosses Mustafa Kemal Caddesi (the first major north-south street you get to) and changes name to Millet Caddesi. Mustafa Kemal Caddesi is also called Ataturk Boulevard. North of Akseray Square it passes by city hall and goes through Sarachane Park. The Grand Bazaar is about halfway between it and the Aya Sofya. (Plus now I see CS just this minute posted a good link to a map.)

Also I see that Mesihpasa Caddesi (Irmak) is 1 or 2 blocks south of Akseray Square, and Namik Kemal Caddesi (Seranda Hotel) is 3 blocks to the west.

Hello All

I have taken the liberty of copying the map that Cupid Stunt found and highlighting it for use here.

Locations are (approximate) to the nearest 10 - 15 metres:

Irmak: Blue Dot

Bacardi Club:Red Dot

Big Pub: Yellow Dot

Serenda Hotel: Green Dot.

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Other Comments:

From Irmak to Bacardi is literally a two minute walk.

Halfway between the Red Dot (Bacardi) and Yellow Dot (Big Pub) is Aksaray Police Station and a McDonalds.

If you start at Mustafa Kemal Cad (big road very busy, lots of hussle bustle) and walk down i believe Hasan Pasa (if there is a police station on the corner, you are on the right road) and keep going for about 3 - 4 minutes cross over the intersecting roads and you'll get to Serenda Hotel and see it on your left. The street is a dead end. This area is a dump (with the shops selling car/motorcycle parts) and during the evening it is dark, but i never felt unsafe walking there at night.

Lots of street walkers hang around by the Yellow Dot (there is a line of public phone boxes & a toilet i think). There is a cafe on the intersection of Mustafa Kemal Cad and Aksaray Cad, were is sat last summer looking at street walkers.

The place i bought the Viagra (Generic) is across the road from the yellow dot, maybe 5 - 10 metres north along Mustafa Kemal Cad (look for a 'Bayer' logo outside and cosmetics, toothpastes...etc in the window).

Site Admin,

Bunny Hopper should be recognized (in my humble opinion) as the author of the most useful post on Istanbul ever written on this board. In order to commemorate this momentous occasion I would suggest that his message and attachment remain at the top of the Istanbul thread or otherwise be saved in a prominent area where it can be easily found in a few months time rather than becoming buried under all subsequent posts.

To all others,

So is this area the only place to go in Istanbul? Are there any other sections of the city to check out? Maybe there are some places to try to meet semi-pros or non-pros?

BunnyHopper,

Very good! Only, I think you'll find Irmak is actually one block closer to Mustapha Kemal Cad. than what you have indicated. I also have a question on your point about SWs: during my visits to Yenikapi I have never come across very many working girls on the streets. True, a few young Turkish girls prowl the upper part of MKC, but as far as I'm concerned that's it. What have I missed? Is there, for example, any particular part of the day one should go?

If you're looking for regular places to hook up,you might try Taksim/Beyoðlu area right in the center of town.
Kemancý Bar,Garage,Yaga and James Joyce Irish Bar are worth visiting after 1a.m
The chances of success could be low,but you can never know till you try.

Priamos

Point noted regarding location of Irmak, you are correct.

I also have one of their business card i got from a waiter. It has a map on the back of the card but that is less clear - i thought about scanning and posting that. The blocks are so small you can't miss it.

I have never loitered around the top end of MKC so never noticed the hookers there - i'll keep my eyes open next time - I am surprised you say they are Turkish bacause all the one i have seen at the bottom end of MKC looked East European to me.

For hookers at the bottom end of MKC, i have been around the area in the afternoon and in the evening and there are lots of them about - so i'd say there is no particluar time to be there.

I posted a picture here last summer called "Aksaray Street Walker 1", I was sitting at the outdoor tables of the restaurant/bar located at the intersection of MKC and Aksaray Cad. It is a typical scene. In the centre of the picture you can see the corner of Langa Cad. Just out of the frame behind the yellow cab, on the right and the other side of the street is Big Pub - another 15 - 20 metres heading right (still on the opposite side of the road), you'd come to Bacardi Club.

On the left of the frame is a tree, many guys were just hanging around there (looking at the girls walk past) cossing the road by the tree you'd come to some trees, say 15 metres to the left. Some girsl there.

The basic point is they don't stand around (like girls in UK for example), these girls are always walking, doing short circuits - they are not too hard to spot.

The way the girl in the red top is dressed is typical i'd say, no mini skirts and fishnets in sight !

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Regarding the map.

It would be good if other readers could add other "Dots" of places they have visited and re-post here: I think 'Cumulative' map would help us all.

(Save the picture to your hard disk, edit and then re-post it)

BunnyHopper,

Duly noted. My favorite haunt is the area immediately west of Mustapha Kemal Cad., and that's a bit of a minefield with, I'd say, 60 per cent rip-off traps and 40 per cent "honest" places. I will gladly add a couple of hot tips to your map, AS SOON AS I come back from Istanbul in three weeks' time. My present problem is, I've never bothered to take a note of the names of places I could easily locate in situ. I could therefore add six or seven points to the map even today, but I'd be at a loss regarding their names.

No, let's do it properly: I'll come back from Turkey with enough dots to fill the space between Bacardi and Seranda. That's a promise!

Can anyone tell me more about Istanbul's general houses called GENELEV. Which one is the best, and where can I find them.

I've heard that general houses are not so good, and there are many ugly and older girls, but still it can be found young and pretty. Is it true?

Can non turkish enter there, or it's for turks only?

Are there other types of brothels, 'couse i'm not intrested in streetwalkers, or rip offf girls from night clubs where u have to leave houndrets of dollars ,only for drinks before you go with girl in the room.

thanx

As a foreigner you don't wanna go to Genelev, unless you have a very strong stomach. Just go to Irmak or Seranda with limited money you will get decent quality girls. The place where the genelev ids called Karakoy and the street name is Zurafa Sokak, but it is not worth the hassle. Trust me.

Lux74,

Connect28 already gave you the address, and I totally agree with him: not worth it! However, if you want to have a look, its very close to the famous Galata tower. Walk from the tower down the increadily steep street toward the Golden Horn (there are two main roads from there - the other one leads to the Taksim). Zurafa Sokak is a short parallel street on your left.

On the issue of "Turks only", the formal answer is yes, no foreigners allowed. The pragmatic answer is, it depends. The entrance is guarded and if there are several policemen hanging around, they'll normally enforce the law for fear of their colleagues. However, if there's only man he may be "persuadable" by means of a little bakshish. I've been there twice. The first time I was turned back, the second time a 10 euros note bought me access. But, again, it wasn't worth it, except perhaps for curiosity value.

Unfortunately there are no brothels like in Nevada or Houston,TX.

I've never forget the great times at Chicken Ranch and Bunny Ranch.

"Genelev's" are very low profile places to have sex. It's a clear and present danger for your health. As a foreigner stay away from those places. Waste of time and money.

Irmak, Seranda and Bacardi are the best places to find eastern european girls to spent joyfull and sinful moments; all three places at Mustafa Kemal Street-Aksaray.
$50-$100 for two hours, $200 all night long; prices are various one girl to another

Seranda is a bar-club, you pick the girls while they are dancing. If you deal, then you take her to the clubs hotel(Hotel Seranda).

Irmak is a resturant-bar-disco mixure, you can talk with the girls, if you deal then take her to your place.

Bacardi is the top spot. Girls gone cost you around $200 for all night long, plus $50 expenses at the club.

It's summer time in Istanbul, as a foreigner you have a change to find freebies(college girls and young women) at the bars around Taksim,Etiler and Bosphorus.

Hi Big Bro AJ,

Very informative, thanks.

A question a bit off topic though, if you please:

I notice on another section dealing with Cyprus that one of your posts was deleted by the Admin. What on earth did you write that was so offensive to warrant deletion? Who did you attack? You seem to have informative and important things to say, so I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to read it before they deleted it.

What did you write?

I paid a visit to Irmak earlier on this week, half out of boredom really. Was about 3pm on a weekday so didnt expect much to be going on. As the weather was nice the past week, 20c+ and clear, the chairs were set up outside though at first I sat inside. Were quite a few girls, maybe a total of 10, although some seemed more interested in chatting to each other than anything else. They were all darkish looking, no blondes, and the ones that were talking were doing so in what i guess was romanian. After about an hour I got bored and went outside where a lone russian was sitting. I chatted to her for quite a long time in russian. She told me that all the girls inside were either moldovan or romanians pretending to be moldovan. This goes against what I had read ages ago about a no romanian policy, maybe business is slow at this time of the year? Needless to say I have a preconception that such girls are dirtier than russians and ukrainians so struck a deal with the russian outside. $60 for 2 hours, was alright as we chatted for quite a lot longer anyhow.

As for picking up turkish girls, you would do very well to find a one night stand. Girls in Istanbul are not that impressed simply by the fact that a foreigner is such, as there are so many tourists here at all times of the year, and if you appear like a tourist then your chances are virtually nonexistent. As I have never gone out looking to pull in Istanbul i cant be too certain of my probabilities, however judging from what I see when out with friends, the chances are very low, many places wont even let guys in without a female in the group. That said if you want to try then just check out the sidestreets off Istiklal, or for more stylish places (ie. better looking but possibly stuck up snobby girls) in the summer the clubs down in ortakoy or some of the trendy bars near in levent/etiler.

Your chances as a tourist to hang out with Turkish girls are quite higher,but it's a complete waste of time to monger with a bunch of ugly idiots who think they are unreachable.
Instead you can try to seek regulars from almost every country if you know the right places and occasions.

I agree with Vegamars. If you dress nicely and are fairly good looking, opportunities exists to hook with regular turkish babes.

I would recommend Kemanci, Mojos, Hayat Kahvesi (diagonally opp to Mojos) to pick up regular turkish girls. The chances are few however they do exists. I did hooked on to an babe at Hayat Kahvesi that too being an brown asian :-)

Returned back from another 3-days trip and wanted to share some information.

1-) Regarding Turkish hookers, some ladies mentioned about Ugur Disco, where 2 working Turkish girls visit on a regular basis. My understanding is that it should be close to Big Pub, same side on the Mustafa Kemal Caddesi. I will possibly try one of these ladies on my next visit. Someone else will arrange it and send it to my hotel. They also mentioned that this is a relatively small disco, never been there myself.

There is a girl from Azerbaycan who speaks fluent Turkish, but I would possibly give her 5 out of ten, she is very much like Turkish, I mean it is hard to describe the difference. I might be able to get her phone number, though no guarantees. Please send me a private message.

One lady mentioned about Hisar Gazinosu around Istiklal Caddesi. She had worked there before and there are now 3 Turkish girls working on a regular basis. As far as I understood, they are good quality and very hot. However, it would cost several hundred million Turkish liras to go there and stay for some time in the casino to pick them up. Standard con scheme works in most casinos around that area. So, the best way is to go there and without sitting talk to the manager and arrange one of the Turkish girls. According to her, this is possible with one condition, you take the girl to a hotel that the casino has an agreement with. For a few hours, she would estimate the overall cost around 400M Turkish liras, about 300USD. She said this is possibly too much, I mean you can get a cheaper deal in Aksaray, but these girls are good, again according to her. She offered to go there together, may be I will. I pushed a little bit to get the phone numbers but did not get them yet. I would love to have sex with a hot Turkish girl for $150-200 a night.

2-) I stayed in Topkapi Eresin, 73.5 USD per night including taxes and breakfast. I would rate it as a true 4-start hotel, better than Akgun(3-star) or Holiday Inn(3-star). During April, it seems the price is going to be similar. Just go to www.goldentulip.com and make a reservation. Price is slightly higher, but you don't need registration for the girls, close to Aksaray (5-6 minutes by taxi), and nice enough. The girl can directly come to your room without any questions.

3-) Some of the girls agreed to share their phone numbers in this forum so I will post them. There are 2 Hungarian ladies I had mentioned earlier. They don't speak good English, but you might be able to communicate well. The second one worked in Europe and should be able speak Spanish.

0 535 315 7711
0 535 516 9295

Once you call, just mention that you got the number from internet. If agreed, they might come to your room directly.

In terms of appearance, I would rate one of them as 8 and the other one as 6. But the second one plays very aggressively in bed. I would possibly rate playing/fucking quality as 8-9. You will possibly get a true BJ(or BBBJ), she is a PRO. Of course, this is difficult to guarantee, she might play completely different with you.

The ages are 30 and 28, heights 1.70 and 1.67, respectively. One is plain brunette and other one is slightly darker and slightly overweight, possibly have some Gypsy background. I mean I didn't ask direct questions about the background for the second lady.

You can have a 2-some, and I myself plan to have such an experience during next visit. They offered to do it last day before my departure, but was truly tired, having fucked four different women previous day, thanks to aggressive plays and 25 mg of Viagra. Two of the women completely sucked me out.

4-) There is an easy way of getting Viagra, in the airport. After you go through the customs, you will come to the waiting area. Just turn right and at the end, there are shops on the left. There is a pharmacy which sells Viagra, 25, 50 or 100 mg tablets by Pfizer. I bought two 50mg packs for 63.5M Turkish liras each, slightly cheaper than what I had paid in Aksaray a few weeks ago. They don't ask for a prescription.

5-) I want to provide an interesting statistic. A few months ago, police raided our popular joints and collected 150 girls, almost all of them being foreigners. These girls had to stay in a hospital for a night after the tests. Here are the results;

3 Moldavian girls with AIDS
7 girls with Frengi
1 girls with bel soguklugu (I don't know its English, can't just remember)

One of my ladies had talked to them before they got deported. It turns out that these Moldovian girls had visited the same abortion clinic in Moldavia and they seriously suspect that they got it there. Anyway, these gals fuck Turkish men without using condoms. I am not saying that just Moldovian girls are dangerous, I don't know why Moldavians would be different from Ukrainians or Russians in this respect.

Anyway, AIDS is a reality, even in a relatively closed country like Turkey. Most of the men visiting Aksaray area, according to the girls, are married and possibly fucking their own wives on a regular basis, spreading the disease. The state is just trying to prevent this and not forcing the law to deport all foreign prostitutes. If the girl turns out to be clean, she is released and can go back to Irmak.

There was another raid just on Irmak a few weeks ago, the police collected 17 girls. The tests indicated that all of them were clean.

Girls are claiming that most of the ladies in Irmak use condoms. My experience shows otherwise. After some sex, they are willing to take it out. I would say, 1 out of 5 is using under all circumstances, 2 out of 5 are using it depending on the guy, 2 out of 5 don't have the notion of using a condom.

One of my ladies mentioned that a girl can consistently avoid police raids to go undetected. Consider this, a girl knows that she is infected, and still comes to Turkey and try very hard to be undetected. Most girls I talked want to avoid the police because of money, because they lose at least 1 full night. On the other hand, they said the hospital is usually good, food and a nice bed is provided and police officers usually don't treat them badly. They also get reliable test results.

6-) Many ladies have Turkish boyfriends. I mean serious relationships, not just regular visits to have sex. A few of the girls got married to Turkish men and left the business.
Some of the girls I had sex with are staying in apartments where the boyfriends are paying the rent. In this arrangement, boyfriend handles food and room, have free sex from time-to-time and lets the girl make money in places like Irmak.

During slow seasons, it is possible to completely rent a girl for 1000-1500USD for a month. Certainly, there would be additional costs around room and boarding. A girl can make a lot of money but there is also cost.

7-) Nearby restaurants don’t have as many ladies as Irmak and some girls from Irmak are being called up by managers and waiters of these restaurants when a horny customer shows up. The major difference is that these restaurants have arrangements with nearby hotels and make the customer go to these arranged hotels and get a share. So, the customer ends up paying 40M for a hotel which is worth 20M. According to some girls, these hotels are very dirty and are raided by police more often and girls don’t want to go there. At Irmak, there is no such condition and girl can make a selection for a better hotel if the customer agrees. For 50M a night, there are reasonable hotels like Grand Tasciyan, if I’m writing it correctly.

Aslan Kral

Inostranets,

You can find girls from many countries at Irmak. I met Romanian, Russian, Moldavian, Bulgarian, Hungarian, Ukrainian and even Azerbajcani girls at Irmak. I would expect girls from Georgia and Armenia as well, but never met with such. There are girls from as north as St. Petersburg. However, no Turkish girls there. Ladies mentioned that a Turkish pro-singer comes to disco section after 2-2:30AM on most days. She seems like a singer, but in fact an expensive pro. Her name is Arzu.

Some girls never sit at the restaurant or smaller section next to it. They come as late as 1AM and go up to disco section.

Aslan Kral

Hi all,

I'm a white American guy going to Istanbul in early May for about a week (work work work). I think I will be staying in a pretty posh hotel in Taksim (Marmara?). I have yet to come up with a decent map to see how it relates to the places listed in the forum (e.g. Irmak and such). I'll be busy until fairly late every night, so I won't be able to wander around during the day.

I'd appreciate any info about the area around Taksim - is this close to the areas discussed recently in the forum? Any good agencies that can supply beautiful women who speak at least some English would be good to know as well - I won't have time to really search and will probably have to just "order in". Am I likely to have luck scoring in the bars of the nice hotels?

TIA for PMs or replies to the board. I'll give a report when I get back ;)

Interesting and informative report Aslan. It is true about the aids situation in Turkey, i'm convinced it is more prevalent than is it is reported to be, although nothing serious. However I certainly wouldnt have sex with an aksary girl without a rubber (and my own at that). The phenomenon of girls marry turks is interesting, I know of one girl who has done so and has a turkish passport and everything, it must genuinely be for love as ex ussr can enter turkey upon simply paying a fee like westerners, and one would even think that working in such a field and having turkish papers might even cause a problem when encountering the cops, maybe not. Though I can't see any advantage in having them.

To any vets. of the Irmak scene, when does it start hotting up, as right now seems quite attrocious? Prefer blondes right now none at all it seems.

Inostranets,

As far as I understand, police collects all ladies in such places regardless of citizenship. If a foreign pro has Turkish citizenship, it doesn't help, as it wouldn't help regular Turkish pros.

Again, my understanding is that prostitution outside of Genelevs is illegal, Turkish or foreigner. For example, the state can't get any income from these activities as no one submits any tax forms or these foreigners don't have any work permit in Turkey. However, the police does not force the law on Aksaray girls or shemales around Taksim area. The major goal is just to make sure that sick girls are identified as soon as possible and deported.

Regarding Irmak scene, I had seen about 15-20 girls in the smaller section when I visited on a Sunday evening between 7-8PM. Most of them were waiting for the disco section to open.

I myself don't prefer a blonde, but you could try other places like Seranda, Big Pub and Bacardi. BunnyHopper had provided a map for the locations 1-2 weeks ago. For Irmak, go there after 8 and may be even try disco section after 11. I was there three times, and Sunday evening was the best.

Anyway, I will ask for a blonde, but can you give me more info about a 'blonde' that you are looking for? For instance, how much 'blonde' she should be?

Aslan Kral

The truth is that the girls who don't have Turkish citizenship have a higher chance of being collected by the police and a very low chance of being able to come back without being deported.Moreover,they can stay as long as they wish as compared to the max visa peirod of 2months for the non-citizens,so most are willing to pay a couple of thousand dollars for the papers.It's also evident that the police can never enter or interfere with the top clubs like Bacardi.
There's nothing easier than finding blondes in Istanbul.The best time to search for the best girls for all places including Irmak and Bacardi is between 10p.m and 1a.m on Wednesday,Friday and Saturday.

K_rat,

Taksim is 10 min. cab ride to Aksaray. There are several night clubs and bars around Taksim, but with 90% probability you will get ripped off in those palces. Just take a cab and go to Aksaray and if you want to spend around US$200 go to Bacardi, if you want to spend less go to Irmak.

Good luck

Personally I prefer dirty blondes (hair colour that is) or just plain natural, none of those peroxide jobs that seem popular with the devushki, if you know of or could find a blonde russian/ukrainian with a number that'd be great. Maybe I'll check out Irmak in a week or two, granted when I have been around that area it was always during the daylight hours and thus choice is probably severely limited. Although I wouldnt been too inclined to lurk around aksaray alone after dark, maybe it is not as bad as I imagine.

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So 22:00 to 1:00 is the best time to look for action, but what are other times like? Is there any point in looking during the afternoon, or into the wee hours? (Are the wee hours safe?) Suppose you want to see a few girls in one night - can you get started at 18:00 or 20:00? Or maybe it is more cost effective to find someone for the whole night and convince her to spend a lot of time relaxing in your hotel room.

Catalyst,

There is action although it is limited from lunch time onwards at Irmak.

cheers,

connect

Mongers;

I had posted 2 phone numbers for Hungarian ladies a few days ago. Apparently, they received several calls because of that and connected with a few people in respected hotels.

I should point out that, initially, they only come to an hotel. Later, you can convince them to come to a house. Second, you can do a negotiation with the first one only, if you want to have a 2-some.

Third, they will not be available until the end of the month because of Easter holidays. Most of the gals are returning back to their countries for 2-3 weeks. They will still be expecting calls after that.

I was in Istanbul over the weekend and will post the details soon.

Aslan Kral

I visited Istanbul for 4 days and had sex with several girls, including 2 separate 2-somes.

Stayed in Holiday Inn Istanbul City, slightly cheaper than Topkapi Eresin, but considerably inferior. Registration is a must. They even follow the girl to the elevator and get an identification card. I wouldn't recommend this hotel, instead arrange a room in Topkapi Eresin, still 73.5USD per night inclusive of tax and breakfast.

Friday evening, had a 3-hours 2-some session with Hungarian ladies, but was not satisfied. Taller girl didn't participate actively in a group sex environment. Aggressive one sucked me out, but I always felt that they were somehow reserved in bed when the other gal is around. For example, aggressive one sucked me out quite aggressively in bathroom while showering, but wouldn't provide the same quality in bed when the other one is watching. I always felt that she would allow me to finger her asshole, but wouldn't do it because of other gal. Other problems, they didn't suck my dick together. Fucking required not only a condom change but additional cleaning in bathroom when I changed the girl to fuck. There were still nice moments, fucking one gal, and other gal is foreplaying with you, you touch 2 girls, put their asses side by side, suck them out, etc. I would rate the overall experience 6 out of 10, but I might have had higher expectations. We continued to have sex with the taller one after wards, but I could not still finish.

Saturday, I had sex with a Turkish girl and finished twice. This was my first Turkish pro in my life, so even though I would rate the girl 6 out of ten, I was satisfied at the end. Short brunette, small boobs, but awesome ass which helped me to finish twice within 3 hours, which is now very rare.

One of my previous ladies arranged this gal, who works with phone contacts and referrals only. She mentioned about a contact point and several Turkish gals working under the contact point, but wouldn't give me a phone number. Boy! I would even offer her money to get the number, but didn't ask. At some point, I asked if she could arrange another Turkish gal, but she said no. I guess she wants to make some money before I hop into another girl.

Sunday was the most active and I fucked 5 different gals; 2 Hungarians, One Romanian, One Ukrainian and One Turkish. I felt very tired at the end. I started the day with the Romanian we had sex last week. Then aggressive Hungarian followed. During the experience, I learned that these two ladies would give me a true 2-some experience, so scheduled them for the next day. Then I had a 2-hour session with a new girl, an Ukrainian arranged by another gal. She was quite OK, but couldn't finish. This gal didn't give me a phone number, I could only arrange her calling the other gal who referred this girl. She told me, she was living with a boyfriend who doesn't know that she is in this business and wouldn't take a risk giving her number to customers. We used condom during the entire session(as always), but at some point my penis was touching her pussy without a condom and she didn't show any sign of disapproval. I guess I could fuck her without a condom. Too risky, I will post some government stats and you will realize how dangerous to fuck these gals without a condom. Anyway, she told me she only has sex with her boyfriend without any protection and that was an obvious lie. Very slight penetration would make me fuck her without a condom and she didn't seem bothered. Definetely, I would not want to be the boyfriend, if she is telling me the truth about that part.

I banged the Ukrainian lady for about 2-hours and couldn't finish so I called the Turkish lady. I was sure her ass would help me to finish quickly and it happened as expected. I fucked her ass for about 30 minutes and I was done. I mean, she is not pretty, but great ass for sex.

Later in the night, I called my Hungarian lady and fucked her for hours. That was pretty good, passionate sex at different positions.

Monday morning, after I fucked my Hungarian lady, dismissed her and called the Romanian girl for a 2-some. They came around 5PM, and ordered champagne. When the room service guy entered the room, he seemed slightly puzzled, not shocked, to see one guy and two girls together, apparently before sex. I mean we were not naked, but gals seemed like pros and I am sure he quickly figured that out. Reception guy downstairs was always aware of who is going in and out, and I am sure he might have thought of calling the police if I am in the pimping business. He knew I had sex with 5 gals previous day.

Anyway, after the champagne we started kissing and that was a true 2-some. They sucked me together and were not reserved in any way in bed when the other gal was watching. In fact, they even kissed each other, quite passionately, kissing everywhere except sucking. I mean you see two gals, one is sucking you, and other gal is sucking the nipples of the other gal. Wow! That was like a porn movie and I tought champagne helped them a lot. I asked them if they were lesbos, they said no, but would't mind foreplaying together with another man. They love this type of group sex and did it in a 2-men/2-gals situation. They say, that's the best, because you see another couple is having sex next to you. They even joked that we should offer it to the room service guy. Ha ha ha, order something and lure the guy into bed. They say, Turkish guys are very hungry for sex, finding additional 'yarrak' (a slang for penis) is no problem in Turkey.
I fuck them for 3-hours, we joke and talk most of the time. I can't concentrate to finish. I mean, you are fucking one gal, and joking with the other gal, no way to finish it mentally. Most of the time, I lay down and they do the sucking and fucking. If you need the phone numbers, send me a private message. You can arrange a 2-some session in a hotel room, but they won't be available until the end of the month.

I would rate the Romanian lady as 6, she has nice ass but older, like 35. She gives a true BBBJ, covers the most, sometimes all of the penis. I wouldn't buy her alone but together with the Hungarian. Then everything changes because they truly engage in sex and give you very good sucking/fucking.

Later I had a very good session with other Hungarian lady for hours. In the morning I had to leave for the airport. Now most of the ladies were also leaving this week because of Easter holidays. But they should be soon before the end of the month.

Aslan Kral

I would like to provide some government stats I had seen in a newspaper few days ago. These stats show how many girls have been deported during 2003 and how many of them had STDs. It doesn't say what type of STDs the pros have, but for some countries the ratio is quite high;

Country # STDs # PROs Total # dep STD Ratio

Azerbajcan 28 262 290 %9.6
Germany 0 1 1
Belarussia 1 17 18
Bulgaria 6 16 22 %27.2
Armenia 2 11 13
Georgia 37 206 243 %15.2
Iraq 1 11 12
Kazakistan 1 16 17
Kirgizistan 7 47 54 %12.9
Moldavia 104 354 458 %22.7
Uzbekistan 20 63 83 %24.1
Romania 24 38 62 %38.7
Russia 29 235 264 %11.0
Turkmenistan 12 3 15
Ukraine 65 258 323 %20.1
Uruguay 1 16 17
Serbia 0 2 2

Total 338 1556 1894

Overall STD/deported ratio is around 17.8%. This might be misleading as girls with Turkish ID cards should not be deported.

According to ratios above, Romanians are the worst. Gals from Ukraine, Moldavia and Bulgaria have somewhat similar ratios. Russians seem safer compared to other countries.

Aslan Kral

wow, we got 17 chicks from uruguay here ???? where do they hang around ?
Aslan Kral.... very nice and informative reports !

The numbers for Moldavia are surprising - Anyway these Natashas are getting to be a bit sloppy aren't they :)

Hi Everybody,

I have been following the excellent posts by Aslan Kral with pleasure. I hope to check out this Hisar Gazino place soon. Meanwhile, i have recently used a hotel called Grand Asiyan near the Irmak Restaurant area and its cleanliness was rather impressive. Its phone number is as follows: 212 518 6290. I am pretty sure there may be a group of high quality girls working at the more luxurious hotels near the Taksim area, but our group has no access there.

I want to know what became of this Kemerburgaz Hotel like place where somebody from the group once went and stayed overnight and it was a great location as per the description. Any follow up on this lead?

Bye for now

Dear all,

I'm making good on a promise made to BunnyHopper a few weeks back: here is a more detailed map of the places of entertainment in the larger Yenikapi area of Istanbul. Please note that while I have not included places that I hold to be pure tourist traps, the waiters in some of these bars/clubs/discos are a bit too smart.

Green: Irmak. No further introduction needed.

Blue: Big Pub. A bit seedy, but honest. Girls congregate there from late afternoon. Next to Big Pub in a basement is Ogur Tur. Their action starts a couple of hours earlier, but they have fewer girls and are a bit on the tricky side.

Violet: Bacardi. No further introduction needed.

Red: Ozkan Akgunler. Very seedy, rather tricky, but sometimes offers good-lookers on the bargain rack. Opens early. Surrounded by a few night-time discos which I haven't sampled.

Yellow: Gold Can. My personal favourite. Slightly seedy but honest. Good selection of girls from mid-afternoon. Girls get a bit picky in the evening, as some local bigwigs use it as their haunt.

Orange: Sultan Club. Opens early evening. Clean, correct service and a good selection of girls. Next to SC is Kent Club; more of a classic Turkish music hall, but also with girls.

Azur: Imparator and Cakmak. Classic Aksaray late-night discos with girls around the dancing floor. Didn't sample them specifically; they are arch typical of half a dozen of similar places between their street corner and Serenda.

Black: Serenda. No further introduction needed.

BunnyHopper,

I'm a bit sad that the pic facility has been disabled (I do not for one second believe in the "Chinese link" story), for I had been looking forward to sharing my updated map of the larger Yenikapi area with you.

Well, too bad. I returned from Istanbul yesterday afternoon. I shall spare you any graphic stories about my exploits, but I would like to share a few words of advice with my fellow mongers. First, one should perhaps not (as I did) visit this town during the Easter week. With the seaside resort full of German and English tourists, the bars and discos of Istanbul are low on "talent" because most of the lookers have commuted to Antalya. I found the scene dominated by Uzbek and Kazakh girls -- no offense but they are rarely my first choice. It was also difficult to find a LT service, even when one offered a handsome tip on top of the usual price. This makes little sense from the viewpoint of the working girls who should be willing to agree to any length of contract if the money is right, so I assume it is due to the pressure of bar owners who would be loath to see their showrooms half empty.

I have also looked into the issue of the streetwalkers on Mustapha Kemal street, which intrigued both of us. Apparently the action evolves around a few streets on the left of MK as one walks toward the sea -- in fact the last streets before the railway crossing. Sometimes the girls stray out on the main street (but not too much: they are mostly illegal immigrants) and walk up and down, but it is in the crooked streets around these blocks that they are a fixture. As far as I could make our they are mostly from the southern Balkans (this may also explain why you took them for Russians, and I for Turks). There are also several clandestine brothels in the neighbourhood: I was hanging out there for a couple of hours one afternoon and every now and then an overdressed Slav-looking girl on high heels would disappear into one of those dilapidated residental blocks in which she most definitely did not live.

BUT... this neighbourhood is probably not for us. I took a chance on a Yugoslavian (???) SW and she pulled a complete rip-off on me. Fair enough, these things happen, but unlike most other places I know the locals immediately closed ranks around HER (don't get me wrong: I wasn't aggressive or anything) against ME the outsider. Also, the tricks she was playing were so crude that she would be out of business in a week if the tried them too often. No... no, these girls are there to service the locals at an affordable price and if wealthy Caucasians, such as I, venture into this playground of the common man then we'll get a maximum heat and a minimum sympathy. It's like Whitechapel 1904 and Bronx 1984.

Priamos

The picture service is back up and I have had a look at the map. Your map is great and I guess will be a WSG equivalent to a Lonely Plant Guide :-) and I am sure many will find it useful.

If others add to this we can now start to put together The Definitive "Cumulative Map" of Istanbul.

Irmak, Bacardi, Serenda are well documented, lets build up a picture in our minds eye of these other places you've listed.

Aksaray is full of these sort of places, but when I walk around there at night (usually alone too) I have always tried to walk with purpose and not look like a lost randy tourist and so couldn't casually stroll down the street looking through windows - but if i was out with a fellow monger or two, I would feel that I could take the time to look a little too.

The SW's are interesting to watch when you have some time to kill, the girl doing circuits with the shopping bags last summer really made me laugh, but i can't imagine that i'd ever pick one up, the activity that i saw were far too open for me and my lack of Turkish language skills to close a deal quickly in public are a let definite let down - I don't fancy being the centre of attention in the street in Aksaray.

I have no plans to visit Turkey at the moment, I have been indulging my hobby locally - but sitting here, writing this, my mind is drifting.... ;-)

I think Autumn may the best time for the next trip there.

BunnyHopper,

I see what you mean, but in my experience being at the centre of attention in Yenikapi exposes you to little more than obtrusive touting. (Plus, a couple of ****heads once tried the fake-fight routine in order to pick my pockets. They failed...) I have never felt physically threatened.

But there are threats and there are threats. I don't want to be a spoilsport, but I have to agree with AslanKral on one point: these days there's a veritable Chlamydia pandemic in the neighbourhood. My hotel receptionist and a local waiter, both of whom having fathomed that I like to go to this part of town at night, voiced stern warnings about this. The waiter, with whom I struck up a reserved friendship, was aware of the data Aslan quoted (apparently they've been widely quoted in Istanbul) and contended that if anything they are an understatement. The girls in that study who got themselves deported have generally worked in "private establishments", where certain house rules apply. The privateers of Yenikapi do whatever they feel like. The latter are an exclusive club with a few hundred members, and most of them are incredibly irresponsible (I sampled five girls in one week; one of them insisted on protection; one flatly refused; three said it was for me to decide.) so you can just imagine.

Responding to your question about concrete places, a few words about Gold Can. As indicated earlier I am an "early bird" who doesn't like to be awake after midnight, so I do most of my mongering in the late afternoon or early evening. This makes GC ideal: it begins to fill up with hostesses and patrons around 3 p.m. It's a classic smoke-filled Muzikhol with live music most of the evenings. The bar tap for a drink and a few salted nuts (the de facto cover charge) sets you back 10 mill. TRL (7 bucks) and a lady drink costs an additional 10-20 mill. TRL according to the waiter's moods. On a normal afternoon/early evening the room is at least half full, with about 1/3 working girls and 2/3 patrons. Since many of the latter are on the voyeuring rather than the punting side the girls/guys ratio is quite satisfactory.

The girls reserve the right of refuse: there are sometimes a few stunners who only give second looks to local tycoons known to pay top prices for a 12 hour-service, and maybe some of the others just don't like the way you look. The way to choose is this: within the first 5-10 minutes of sitting down look at each single girl individually. If she's available she'll gaze back with a positive interest. Same thing applies when a new girl enters the room (they walk in and out all the time) - just ogle her and see if she responds. Naturally, you're not expected to pick one during the first 10 minutes. Turks like to take their time and you should do likewise. After the initial starting contest the girls will pretend to lose interest, but now that you know who is looking for your custom its easy: once you've decided, just catch the eyes of your chosen one and gesticulate through the room that you'd like her to sit next to you. Warning: less than half of the girls speak English.

The action usually takes place in a hotel less than two blocks away from the club, which specialises in these things (there are quite a few of those). Unlike what one might expect, the hotels are clean and modern and you'll need your passport to check in. The bellboy will sometimes to extract a small bakshish by offering to sell you a drink or provide preservatives. In some of the places the girls are expected to back his effort as part of their arrangement with hotel. This is an annoying little hassle, but not very expensive. Count 50 euros for the girl (two hours), 30 euros for the hotel plus 10 euros for unforeseen expenses.

Finally, many bona fide tourist hotels in Istanbul are guest friendly, but not all girls will be willing to go to your hotel. - It helps if its so late in the evening that you're likely to be her last, or only, client.

Hi All!

I will be visiting Gocek/Fethiye area soon and I know that this is not the appropriate forum for this but the other areas forum has so little traffic that I am afraid I won't have anyone read this. I will be there early May, before the real tourist season begins.

Where can I go for some action? Any CIS girls around there?

Thanks in advance!

aksaray. so this, this is what all the chatter is about?! this is a catastrophe! turkey would make a great comedy skit about everything that spoils the hobby.

everything in aksaray is controlled and ruined by an obnoxious mafia. they stand between you and the girls and do everything in their power to extract the maximum toll form you in exchange for access. they breed a culture of lying and leeching such that no matter what you are willing to pay you may not get what you are after.

the hassle starts even before you get to one of the streets where the action is. men who see where you are going call out to you, say “excuse me, where are you from?” and start to follow you. if you refuse to engage them in conversation they get angry. perhaps their job is to guide you to a particular club, perhaps it is just to hustle you; i never let them waste enough of my time for me to find out.

every club has hawkers at the entrance. if you walk towards a club or even simply look at it they will come out to greet you and block your path. they will take you by the shoulder, address you as their “friend”, and guide you inside where you will be handed off to various men of increasing seniority whose job it is to guide you to a seat and make you feel committed.

there are two general venues - discos and restaurants – which are more or less the same. restaurants are on the first floor and have an associated disco either upstairs or downstairs. restaurants are open during the day and at night the discos open and the restaurant girls go to the discos.

in both places the girls sit at tables in small groups rep001tered about a room. when you enter you are expected to take a seat and order a drink, although you can first make a loop around the room to take a look at the girls if you ask. even during the day it is hard to get a good look at the girls with one pass and once you sit down some of them will be out of view. at night it can be impossible to see many of them, and some clubs have u-shaped rooms or even have two levels with the girls divided between more than one space. i suppose you could take more walks around the room, but you will be conspicuous if you do and i wouldn’t want to leave my drink unattended.

want to get a better look at a girl? want to know how much it will cost you to spend some time with her? just wave to her or let a waiter know you are interested in her and she will come to your table. she will be followed by a waiter who will take your drink order.

drinks you order for yourself will usually cost you about 10 million lire ($1 = 1,300,000 lire). when you enter the club you will be told that they cost 1 million or maybe 3 or 4 million. but this, like everything else you are told in most clubs, is a huge lie. in many places your drink really does cost 4 million or so, but it will come with some amenity such as a plate of peanuts which costs maybe an extra 5 million. if you ask how much the peanuts cost you may be told that this is “normal disco service” or that there is “just one price for everything”. every effort is made to deny you information about anything. naturally the full potential of the language barrier is exploited.

drinks you order for the girl will cost much more. in some places it is impossible to find out what the pricing structure is. bacardi and irmak were somewhat straightforward. in bacardi her drinks cost 25 million. in irmak it depends what she orders; there is a menu with prices ranging roughly from 10 million to 15 million and perhaps you could try to veto a more expensive drink order. some other discos told me that there is one fixed price of $50 for food and drinks for the both of you. probably this would not include the drinks you had already ordered before inviting a girl to your table, but i never threw away such a large sum to find out. learning prices always required asking several times and then waiting for the request to be passed up the chain of command until it reached a manager who had the authority to divulge such sensitive information. i was told that food and drink prices are lower in the restaurants than in the discos, so going during the day might be more economical than going at night, but i never verified this.

buying a girl a drink guarantees you nothing. if she quotes you a high price, doesn’t look so good close up, has a bad attitude, etc... you have blown $20-50. when she quotes you a price she is of course well aware that you have already spent money just to talk to her and probably don’t want to throw it away and start over, so this tilts the pricing game heavily against you.

finally the girls. if you like fat 30-ish russian chicks with huge perms then istanbul is the place for you. everyone else should run away. to be fair there are some good looking ones, mostly in bacardi, and there are even a couple of real stunners. but most clubs had at most 1 or 2 who were possibilities, many did not have a single girl who looked interesting, and the few stunners i spoke to all wanted $200. pretty much everything i was told here was a huge lie, so when a girl says she will spend all night with you make sure you have a good book with you just in case.


the first place i visited was bacardi. i got there at 8:30 on a friday and it was a little dead, so they told me i should come back in a couple of hours which i did. there are two unique things about bacardi. first there is a large dance floor, and the girls all took turns dancing so this was the only club i saw where you could get a good look at all the girls. secondly, the selection was far better than anywhere else. this was the only club that had several girls that i was definitely interested in.

the floor manager was straightforward about drinks costing 10 million for me (or 25 million if i sat at a table closer to the dance floor) and 25 million for her. after ordering a drink and watching for a few minutes i picked out a conspicuous stunner which he brought to my table. she looked like the porn star keisha from the early 1990s. she told me she was from kazakhstan and made some nice chitchat about where i was from, etc ...

as soon as her drink arrived the vendors swooped down, selling flowers, cigarettes, and candy. they were waiting in line to get at me. i told them all to go away (multiple times of course, since the first several requests were ignored). she told me to buy her a pack of cigarettes, and when i said no her answer was “my price is $200.” how could anyone turn down such a skillful and understated sales pitch? i did. when she walked off i had the feeling that she felt quite smug about having cost me an expensive drink.

the floor manager asked me if i wanted to see another girl and was actually decent about my dilemma, allowing me to talk briefly to two more girls without having to buy them drinks. one girl didn’t speak any english. the other wanted $200 and while she wasn’t a buy-me-cigarettes b---- she had a bit of a professional air and wasn’t really hot enough to be asking that price anyway. so i asked for the bill. 10 million for my drink plus 25 million for the girl-drink plus a 5 million tip tacked on came to 40 million. $30 to talk for 2 minutes to a couple of stuck-up princesses. and this is the best place in town!

next i decided to try irmak. it is on a narrow walking street and to get to it (from the north end of the street, as i did) you have to pass a gauntlet of hawkers who block your path, tug at your arm, and get upset when you don’t stop. irmak’s restaurant was closed so i went upstairs to the bar (i later learned that there is a disco on another floor above the bar which is better). there was only one girl who looked interesting and i wasn’t eager to buy more lady drinks, so i left.

i looked in several discos on that street and finally agreed to sit in the melody disco next to irmak since i saw a couple of possibilities there. inside i was careful about asking the price for everything. i was told that a beer was 4 million, so i ordered one. but the beer arrived along with 3 plates of food, which i argued furiously against accepting. in the end they took away everything but a plate of peanuts which i agreed to pay another 4 million for. i asked how much a lady drink was and was told 10 million. that seemed reasonable, so i asked a girl to sit with me.

she was a pretty rumanian who spoke a little english. she asked for $150 for all night. i asked if she would have breakfast with me the next morning and she said yes. a couple of things she said made me think she was somewhat uncorrupted. she had only been in istanbul for 3 months. when i asked to pay in lire instead of dollars she had to ask her friends what the lire equivalent of $150 was. i told her i was staying at the eresin and she hadn’t heard of it. so we closed the deal.

the bill came and my drink (4 million) plus peanuts (4 million) plus her drink (10 million) plus a plate of chocolates (4 million) that came with her drink (in addition to many other dishes that i refused to accept) came to a total of ... 45 million?! the price for lady drinks had suddenly increased to 15 million and there was more than one of them plus other charges. i refused to pay. after a long argument i gave them 25 million and they threw me out and wouldn’t let me take the girl. i had paid over $50 at two lousy places and i was on my way home to whack off.

the next night i made a tour of the entire area, looking briefly inside every club i could find. serenda was closed and it wasn’t clear whether they would open again soon. a taxi driver told me “serenda kapali ... problema”. most of these places looked roughly identical. i didn’t see what the fuss over irmak was. they seemed a little more honest and open about their prices, but they had a worse than average selection. this night i didn’t see a single girl who looked interesting in irmak. i did sit in the disco and have a beer to see if i had missed something or if more girls would show up. it was frustrating not being able to see the girls in the darkness. there is a dance floor, but it was monopolized by two men. one looked like kenneth starr and the other looked like a fat steve buschemi. they appeared to be under the impression that they were “getting down”. they were eventually joined by a bony 20-ish youth who looked like a dancer from sprockets on snl. the girls seemed to prefer to avoid them. similar bizarre spectacles occurred in several clubs that i looked in.

i tried an approach to simplify the selection process and met with mixed success. if i saw something i liked in a bar i would tell the floor manager who was holding onto my arm that i didn’t want to sit and have a drink, but could i just pick a girl, talk to her, and pay the bar something if i decided to take her. in most places the answer was no, that they have a system that needs to be followed. in one bar the owner said ok and allowed me to talk to a stunning russian girl without ordering a drink, establish that her price was $200 (which was too expensive for me), and turn her down politely. she asked me several times about why i wasn’t following the system and she seemed uncomfortable with or at least puzzled by what i was doing.

before i could leave, however, the owner cornered me in a booth and explained to me that he wanted $100 for “arranging things with the girl” (paraphrased from broken english). i wasn’t sure if he meant that if i decided to take a girl he wanted a $100 commission or if he was saying that i already owed him $100 because i had talked to a girl. i got out of the situation where i was cornered (clearly to intimidate me) by saying that i wanted to leave with the girl and that she could resolve everything if we could just talk to her. we walked over to her and i said to him “but she won’t go with me for $100, she wants $200” (deliberately confusing his commission with her asking price). i said “it’s too much for me” and quickly walked out without looking back as he started to speak to the girl.

in another club the floor manager said he would allow me to pick a girl, arrange everything with her, and the total for the girl and the bar would be $150. but oddly he also said that he would come with us to my hotel to “talk to her and make sure everything went smoothly”. this unwelcome suggestion was made more unsettling by the fact that he was much bigger than me. i wondered if the idea wasn’t go to the hotel in his car and somehow not quite make it there. a couple of other clubs said that they were happy to go along with my system, but that the charge for food and drink with a girl was $50 and that i would pay this even if we left without eating or drinking. there seemed to be an advantage to be gained here since it sounded like i could talk to the girl without paying anything if i decided not to go with her, but i could never be sure that it wasn’t another huge lie, that i wouldn’t be made to pay even if i didn’t go with a girl. most of these clubs didn’t have anyone who looked interesting anyway, and $50 was more than i wanted to pay even if i found someone i liked.

when i passed by the melody bar i was surprised when the hawkers came after me. i told them that i would take the rumanian girl i sat with the previous might and pay a fee to the bar, but that i wouldn’t go back for more drinks. they told me she wasn’t there. so my second night turned out more successful than the first one because as i whacked off i could reflect on having spent only some 30 million lire on a few drinks for myself instead of the 65 million i spent the night before.

the next day i set out more determined to get a girl and more willing to pay for it. i started early, at around 5. in the worst case scenario i would go to bacardi late and pay $200 for a beautiful girl, but first i would try to find something less expensive at irmak. well, again there was nothing interesting there, but as i came out and passed by melody bar their hawker came up to me and said that the rumanian girl was there.

i went inside and there she was. she said she would come with me for the whole night (which i was suspicious of since it was still early) for $150. a waiter came to take our drink orders and i said that i wanted no food and no drinks, i only wanted the bill. this caused some confusion but eventually resulted in a slip of paper with “35” written on it being produced. i didn’t see how i was going to do any better than this. when i put 35 million lire on the table there was anger and indications that it wasn’t enough, in spite of it being written down, but a little arguing and refusal to pay more prevailed. (remaining calm and friendly though firm when arguing, even when faced with ridiculous requests, seemed to be the most successful strategy in these places.)

now, finally i get to try out one of these girls and see if all night really means all night. well, it doesn’t. after having sex the first time she asked me how many more times i wanted to have sex and told me that when i was done she would go. i didn’t much care by now since her english wasn’t great, so being with her for a long time might be dull, and after two rounds i thought i had gotten some value for my money. she offered a third round but i didn’t know if i would be able to so i said it wasn’t necessary. overall she was neither bad nor great. she seemed a little nervous. she wanted to be paid in advance. when she undressed i was a little disappointed. the first bj was covered and the second uncovered but it only went about ½ inch into her mouth. there was some blood as her period was just ending (so maybe it was a good thing that i didn’t take her out 2 nights earlier). kissing was no problem. both times after a few minutes of sex she started asking about when i was going to come. certainly it was not worth the $250 and 2 nights of searching that i had spent. when she left she asked for cab fare and i said i didn’t have it. she said she didn’t believe me (she was right), so i told her that well she said she would stay all night, and she let it drop.

there was a language barrier, but if i understood her correctly she had spent a night at the police station. after i left her two night earlier the management of the bar got mad at her because i wouldn’t pay (as if it were her fault). then later that night the police raided the club. she made the unfortunate mistake of alerting the police to the fact that the restaurant was run by the mafia, and for this she got slapped around and spend a night in jail. she said she hated the people at the bar and told me not to go there again but to call her directly if i wanted to see her again and she gave me her number. the whole story was gloomy, and one particular detail that was a depressing commentary on the state of the hobby was that she would hustle me about spending the whole night and then expect me to want to see her again. i told her that i would be in isanbul for a few more days. i don’t know if things would have gone as well if she had known that i was leaving the next day. she told me that she is thinking of going to another country because there is nothing in turkey, but she doesn’t know where. i asked her if she knew about the clubs in germany, but she said that she doesn’t speak german, doesn’t know anyone there, and anyway f---ing people is a lousy job.

in the heart of the marketplace by the yeni camii there is an area where you can buy generic viagra very cheaply. there are also some porn vcds which i don’t recommend. i picked up 4 of the vcds for 1 million each. three of them weren’t awful, but the movies on them had nothing to do with the covers, and the fourth was a regular cd with turkish lessons instead of a vcd. i asked the viagra sellers for cialis and got suckered into buying kamagra (generic viagra). i checked the chemical name – sildenofil citrate – and knew that i had heard the name before, and i only bought one packet and tried it out before buying more, so i wasn’t a complete bonehead who just believed what they said. when i realized my mistake i was only a little annoyed since even for viagra it was a good price. i paid 15 million (about $12) for a packet of 4 once i got the price down. maybe it can be had for less. in thailand viagra costs about $10 per pill.

if you are stuck in istanbul or if you are there for the tourist attractions, do what you have to do. but if you are looking for adventure and can choose your destination don’t come here and support the crummy gangsters who treat both you and the girls like crap. oh, and if my post hasn’t convinced you to avoid istanbul check out the posts on diseases. this is not a good place to go to hobby.

Catalyst,

I agree with many points you mentioned in your message. Turkish 'enterpreneurs' usually try to rip off foreigners as much as possible, even in small cities far from touristic places. I witnessed many similar events when I was in Turkey. This seems like a tradition. At the moment that you are realized as a foreigner, the price for the commodity will go up. The key point is not the looks, but the language barrier.

I guess, being Turkish or at least speaking some level of Turkish would be quite helpful. My Turkish is not very good, and I visited Aksaray several times, including once during night time, I never run into any problem. I simply ignored those people who try really hard to convince.

Anyway, in Irmak you shouldn't pay more than 20M including both drinks(one for the girl, one for yourself) and a small tip. I think, it is just about luck. When I visited Irmak last time, there were 15-20 girls downstairs waiting for the disco to open and I was able to choose a nice girl for 110 euro per night. All the girls I got from Irmak stayed over night without any problem, but only one of them spoke passable English. That's another potential problem with foreigners, most girls don't speak English.

BTW, I visited Irmak only three times, all over the same weekend, and always worked with connections afterwards. Connections arrange new connections and if you don't like what is arranged, you can usually reject the lady and just pay the taxi fare. During last few weeks, I just focused on Turkish connections and last Saturday, eventually I had great sex with a stunning Turkish amateur. She wouldn't even touch my dick, but I ravaged her for one full hour. She was trying to hide, but I think she was married. I felt guilty afterwards having sex with a married woman, but I will definitely arrange her when I visit next time. She was hot.

Once you get the right connections, you can't imagine what is being offered with a little incentive. Istanbul is an incredible place if you speak the language. The key point is to build relationships and go from one connection to another and let them work for you. Because, when you have sex with a semi-pro for a few times and have a good relationship, she would know enough about your sexual preferences and will arrange what is best for you.

Of course, again, these are valid statements if you speak the language and yes Istanbul might not be a good destination for foreigners.

I guess, Turkish mongers will be much better off in the coming years. Prostitution has not been an acceptable discipline for previous generations, but that's changing fast. I believe, we will go through an explosion in numbers as younger generation is not restricted enough and economic situation is not improving. Do I like this situation, no, I would prefer Turkey to stay as a closed country as much as possible, which is somewhat contrary to my darker side.

Aslan Kral

Aslan,

Sounds like one should stick to Irmak, but the selection was not good when I was there. 20 million sounds like what I would have paid at Irmak (or maybe 25 if the girl had ordered a more expensive drink).

How hard do you bargain with the girls? Do they start out at 100-110 Euros? Bargaining didn’t get me very far in Bacardi or in one other club (the other $200 girl).

Regarding connections, do you mean that you ask the girl you are with to hook you up with her friends? You’re not referring to escort services, are you?

There was a gorgeous young girl I passed on the street out by the wall. She was sitting on a chair on the sidewalk and offered to take my picture. I wondered if there was something up with that, but I hardly speak any Turkish, so I didn’t think I had any way to find out.

Catalyst,

I privately agree that Irmak is a tad overrated. Some of the other bars/restaurants on the same short street even have a better selection of girls, but the waiters there are more pushing and more trickery so expats tend to prefer the relative honesty of Irmak.

On the basis of your posting I'd say you're a classic north European or American tourist, who does not want to play Vanderbilt (this rules out Bacardi and a couple of similar places) and who does much like the aggressive bargainings and mutual deceit of the eastern Mediterranean (that rules out much of Aksaray). If so, I strongly recommend you take a look at the map I posted a couple of weeks ago and go to a place like Gold Can in the afternoon or Sultan Club in the evening. Both of them (and especially GC) are a bit dark and smoke-filled, but they are more honest than most and with a good selection of girls.

Catalyst,

I never bargained with the girls. I asked what would be the price for 2 hours and was directly quoted 50 Euros twice and slightly higher another time. With one of them, we only spoke in English.

There is a reasonable chance that you are looking for someone quite high on the scale. I am interested with the girls aged between 25-35 and hot, passionate, long sex is number one priority.

As a result, I don't usually look for girls higher than 8 and those type of girls provide only mechanical sex. This is the case in other countries as well. They want to finish quick and return back to pick up another customer, so they would do anything just to get rid off you. There is a nickname for these type of girls; 'Animal'.

I had never been to Bacardi, but price seems right. 150-200$ for the night in those type of places.

I don't mean escort services. I asked one of my ladies about a Turkish girl and convinced her that having sex with a Turkish girl would be fantastic. She was reluctant at the beginning, but later arranged one such girl. I then asked that girl to arrange me other Turkish girls, and eventually had sex with several Turkish gals.

I have the impression that SW activity is everywhere. I have seen girls waiting for customers in Topkapi area, some of them are really gorgeous, young and possibly cheap.

Aslan Kral

Catalyst,

Sorry about your bad experience in Istanbul. As “Aslan Kral” mentioned as long as you can speak Turkish a little bit you may pass the barriers more easily. If you are looking for hot beauties, Moscow is the best place, but the quality of the girls at Thockas going down and the prices are going up at the clubs, because of the summer. You may find all the details from MOSCOW section.

Not only in Istanbul, mafia controls the sex industry everywhere. You may see it clearly at the former communist countries.

Seranda, Irmak and Bacardi are the best places for mongers.

Seranda has a hotel; if you deal with the girl you can take it over there. It’s safe for sex.

Generally prices for all night is around $200 or equivalent Euro. It’s summer time.

When you compare the prices with US, having sex is really cheap in Istanbul, but none of them is a GFE.

Don’t forget “what you see what you get”

Thanks, guys, for the info. I’ve been to some of the better places in the world, including Moscow, but also Rio, Germany, Thailand, and Amsterdam (before the prices went crazy), so maybe I’m spoiled.

I am definitely looking for the best looking ones, and they are scarce here, so there is a problem. Some of the Bacardi girls might have been worth it, but not if there is a likelihood that they will take your $200 and then leave early. Does everyone pay in advance? Can you count on most of them to spend the whole night? I certainly got bad vibes from at least the first one I spoke with.

If you go for 2 hours can you go to your hotel, or do you have to shell out for a local mafia hotel? If I’m ever back I think a better strategy than immediately bargaining for all night would be to go for 2 hours and then extend to all night if it goes well. And I’ll try to make connections. I’ll certainly do everything I can to avoid those leeches who run the restaurants and discos.

Where should I look for streetwalkers around Topkapi; in front of the hotels? Things didn’t look very developed out there. Also I tried Serenda, but it was closed and seemed like it might be for a while.

“When you compare the prices with US, having sex is really cheap in Istanbul.” – And when you compare MacDonald’s with gruel eaten by starving Ethiopians it tastes like the best restaurant in Paris.

Apart from the funny prices in the US the quality is so poor that you cannot even compare it with another place or Istanbul.That's why any American guy falls in love with the first Russian girl he encounters.
The trick with Bacardi and similar places is to be experienced enough to look for the new girls in town and to negotiate for 2-3 hrs for first meeting.Later on you can easily arrange a meeting for yourself by avoiding the clubs and the system.
Considering all and the comparison of quality vs prices, the best place in the world is definitely Northern Cyprus.

Catalyst,

When I hired the girls for 2 hours we always went to my hotel. I was staying at Holiday Inn Atakoy then, and none of the girls objected. Of course, you will have to ask the girl, but I don't think there would be any objection, at least in Irmak. I mentioned about it in other posts, most restaurants close to Irmak have a condition on the customer that the lady should be brought to a hotel that has an agreement with the restaurant. Those hotels are crap and charge more than usual because they share the payment with the restaurant.

In Topkapi, I spent some time close to Holiday Inn Istanbul. I noticed young girls with heavy make-ups, waiting in front of apartments on minor streets, during evening, but I didn't ask any of them. I saw guys speaking to them briefly and taking off. I also spotted SWs both sides of the street where Holiday Inn and Topkapi Eresin are located. Some of them were she-males. Anyway, at least those SWs would sure require some language skills and it is critical not to ask the wrong lady.

A taxi driver told me that this activity is not stable. Sometimes, police shows up during late evenings to push them otuside of that area.

The activity increases during evenings, but I saw one she-male around the hotel at 5PM. It was clear that he/she was a PRO, heavy make-up, a 'funny' bag and looks. Not for regular girls.

My understanding is SW activity is happening in most places and most women involved are married. One lady friend mentioned about a married women in her building bringing customers to her apartment. In this case, husband knows, and I could get this lady quite cheap, less than 50M, but I can't spend with her more than half-hour and have to visit her apartment. One time deal, probably no BJ, but she is attractive, again according to my lady friend.

Turkish Connections mentioned about a lot of things; beatiful married women where the husband doesn't know, younger girls doing anal sex to keep their virginity, veiled women whoring(possibly in traditional sense, can't imagine otherwise), etc. And the numbers are exploding. I have the impression that anal sex is more common among Turkish pros. Most foreigners pros don't do it.

I was thinking that they were exaggerating, but last Saturday I went into a bed with a very nice Amateur, married, 25 years old. Another lady had to bring her to my hotel room. I paid 100USD for 2 hours, which I had to spend 45 minutes just talking/drinking to prepare her for bed. It was awesome. In my opinion, I am not going to have this experience in another country. And how would I find her without connections?

BTW, you need to keep your connections under leash. I don't spend much time in Turkey, and when I'm outside I give a call to each connection 1-2 times a week. This way, you also push them to look for girls for your next visit.

Now, I plan to be back in Istanbul late May and would like to have sex with 5-6 different Turkish gals during a weekend. I am not going to touch any pro foreigners for some time. US or Europe, it is not worth it. In Germany I visited FKKs a few times, Pay 100-150 euro, have sex with 2-3 women for 30-40 minutes. No real action, just mechanic sex with a lady who had fucked so many men during that week. Why bother to fuck them? I don't want to even cover the pathetic situation in east coast. You can have exotic choices, but rule of thumb is, pro or not pro, American women are dumb.

I can't really comment about Rio, Thailand or Moscow. But most places in Western world, forget it, I am not going to spend a single cent.

A side note is that every person has a different taste, perspective, and sexual situation. My feelings are not probably applicable in your case. But, if you had just spoken the language, you would get a much better deal.

Aslan Kral

Aslan,

Thanks for all the great info. Maybe I'll give Istanbul another try sometime.

Not much I can do about my language skills without a big investment, and I'm not sure I'm up for calling my connections a couple of times a week, so I'll be at a disadvantage. I'll skip the streetwalkers and try to form some relationships with girls after testing them out for an hour or two.

Can anyone comment on a couple of points:

1 - Do you always or usually pay in advance?

2 - Have people had good experiences with the really gorgeous girls in Bacardi, or do they have a bad attitude because they think too highly of themselves?

3 - Is Serenda still operating?

I really like Germany. The girls are beautiful, the sex is great (depending on the club), and everything is straightforward. I hate the way I always seem to be pulling off leeches in Aksaray. Whoever suggested that I must be a classic north European/American tourist who is uncomfortable with this stuff nailed it.

Catalyst,

Actually it was I who used the term classic American/North European tourist. I'm glad you approve... ;-)

In response to your direct questions:

a) The best way to pay an Aksaray working girl is: (1) agree on the price before going to a hotel room with her. The agreement should include the services and, crucially, the amount of time spent ("two hours" easily shrink to 50 minutes if you don't insist); (2) do NOT pay before you are inside the hotel room; (3) prior to undressing, put the agreed sum (plus perhaps a small topping if you want to enhance the probability of GFE) on a table in the room. Ex-Soviet girls abhor having cash thrust into their palm. Also, this creates an exit option if you feel the girl reneges on her promise: just stand up, get dressed and withdraw a portion of the cash (you should leave a little, though, to avoid trouble).

b) I have no experience with Bacardi girls. I have been to Bacardi a couple of times, but I feel strangely out of place: most of the other punters are apparently wealthy Turkish businessmen on a night out, and even by dressing up I have never been able to dispel the impression of being an outsider.

c) Serenda is up and running. I don't know what to make of this place: on the one hand, the girls are very pretty and not overly expensive. On the other hand, the service you usually get is far from GFE. Most of the time I prefer to trawl for the chatty and un-rushed services of a less dazzling "neighbour's daughter" from one of the smaller bars in the neighbourhood. Finally, on the issue of Serenda, if you go in autumn be aware that they are closed during Ramadan.

Catalyst:

I read your posts with a smiling and a crying eye, as I felt transferred back about seven years, when I had my first encounters in the bars of Ankara and my knowledge of Turkish was close to zero.

As a foreigner you are always seen as fair game by Turks, especially in the bars and clubs we from the WSG attend. But not only us, also Turks who come to such a location for the first time are being fucked heavily by waiters, pros, bar-managers, etc. The folks who work in these locations have a very elaborated sense whom of their customers is a first-timer and who is not. I received several PM's even by Turkish mongers in Ankara who wanted me to accompany them on their first "mission", as they know what happens to "virgins".

Who are these waiters / managers? These guys usually do not earn a salary, but live on the tips left by the customers, bribes by the girls and even by cheating the club owner heavily. In Ankara some chicks told me that they have to go to bed with the waiters in order to get seated next to customers with priority when the latters ask the waiters for "a" chick. Have you ever received a receipt in any of those bars for your payment ? Of course not, you just get a piece of paper with, let us say 50 million written onto it and that was all. That's how the barmen cheat even their bosses. Now, what is the psychology behind that ?

None of the folks in these bars has seen school for more than 5 years; they all come from the very poor AND CONSERVATIVE areas of each town. They are happy to have at least A job, and dare, don't think their parents know where they work exactly. (By the way, that also counts for the girls. Many of them live still at home and tell their parents they work in the tourism industry, that's why it is difficult to get an all-nighter with them).

Now these waiters see you as easy prey right in the middle of "Sodom and Gomorra". You are a non-muslim, you carry loads of cash with you and, on top of that, even drink alcohol. This is faaaaar too much for their conservative view of the world, so when they see that you are already smiling after your fourth beer, you have to pay for your sins and they gonna fuck you big time..... if you let them.

To avoid that, I am always very careful when it comes to Istanbul, regarding alcohol. In Ankara, the barmen all know me, so I can pump it here, but I would never do that out of town. What I suggest to all "Turkish-Illiterates" is to reflect the above before you enter one of the clubs. Then, make the waiter know that you are the boss in a friendly way. Order your coke, push his arm with the plates of nuts, salads, fruits, etc. VERY gently away before they even touch your table and be firm on that. Make him understand that you don't wanna eat anything there and combine this with maybe a joke. If you have a belly, point on it and say that you are on a diet e.g.... make the guy smile, then you are on the safe side. When these cigarette or teddy-bear sellers come, tell them to fuck off. They are on the lowest social level of the bar. Make them know that you know this! The best way to do that is to look into their eyes and use the Turkish mimic for "no". That is raising your eyebrows and your head (a bit) at the same time. Additionally, wave them away with your right hand. That shows them that you know they work in "Sodom and Gomorra" and what their status in there is.

Only invite a chick to your table who you definitely wanna screw that night. Make sure that you agree on the price and conditions within the first 3 minutes, then let her finish her drink and LEAVE ! Don't spend more time in the place than you have to.

Bunny Hopper, No Commit and me met for a mongering weekend in Istanbul last summer. I won't go mongering in Istanbul again in summer, as all the good chicks are down in Antalya, but if some of you come back to Istanbul after October, we could all meet in that beautiful city and go mongering for a weekend together. It is definitely worth it, if you know where to go and how to behave.

To your questions:

1) Usually YES
2) Never had one from Bacardi, as 200 USD is too much
3) Definitely, they might be closed for a week due to a police raid

Finally: Istanbul is not a destination you go to for sex-tourism. It can never compete with Rio, Phuket or Nairobi, but you can have fun there if you are in Turkey for other main reasons !

Awesome baby.

Local Expert,

Such an experience and observation from a foreigner. I agree most of it. Showing who is the boss is the right approach, act like you know what you are doing and why you are there are the key elements in those places. Always be nice. Taksim area bars/pubs are famous with rip offs. As I wrote Serenda has a hotel for its customers. It’s secure enough. Police raid is part of the business; they will be running next week with same guys.

From my view SW (most of them drug addicts) is too risky, even you have some risks with club girls. Definitely stays away from chicks with dicks in Turkey.Most of them have serious psychological problems and AIDS risk higher than real girls.

150-200 is the normal price for all night in Istanbul. As long as you have some contacts you may get good rates for better girls.

AJ

well, here's my fir report on istanbul - a bit late, but i had to register.

first of all a big thanks to bunny hopper, local expert, no commit and vegamars whose reports last year proved invaluable.

i was there on the easter holidays (april 9 - 12). i've read most of the board on istanbul, so had a well prepared agenda.

arrived bang on time on friday afternoon, got the visa at the airport (10gbp), and then looked for the chemist in the airport. i found it but was too embarrassed to go in and ask for viagra, as there were some very young men and women behind the counter and it was busy.

i was staying at the holiday inn, atakoy, so knew about the shuttle bus. i hung around, and no bus came, so i got a taxi (was very cheap) to the hotel. i checked in, paid extra for breakfast and in turned out to be $80 for each night.

i went to the room, and i could see the seperate entrances that bunny hopper mentioned in his report, but these were locked with sign saying to use the main entrance/exit by reception. a shame because i don't like being stopped by reception when brining a chick back.

so to the room. well i booked a double and it really was amazing, esp fo $80 per night. unpacked, showered, had a look at a map, and hopped into a cab and headed for aksaray. had a walk around, found a chemist, popped in and bought some viagra (checed the pzfizer logo, sealed) - cost 64mill. i had a hand drawn map of the area, but did get lst in the back streets where all the car parts shops are.

i ended outside big pub, and i had directions or imrak. i asked a local for the mesipasa cadesa. he pointed me in the right direction. i didn't venture into big pub, as imrak was first on my list. i got there in 2 mins.

at imrak i took a table outside and could cleary see there were women of the night there. i had a drink or two, just looking around. i could see that imrak is split into two restaurants. i sat on the left hand side if your looking at imrak. the waiter mentioned the other was different. does anybody know of this? anyway i called the waiter and asked him if i could be seated inside as there was a women who i liked who went to sit inside. once inside i asked the waiter to ask her to the table, so he did. she ordered a drink. she was from russia..nice blonde girl. the overnight at ny hotel was 230million. seemed fine, so we left. the bill was 45million, seemend very steep, but i paid it, and on the way out the waiter asked for a tip, i just laughed at him. the taxi to the hotel took forever as friday night traffic t atakoy was really bad. she ket on asking of the hotel would be ok with her. i said es, no probelm - but i didn't reall have a clue! so taxi cam to 15 mill. we go past reception no problem.

she stayed to 9am, everyhting was ok, but her body was not great.. her name was jana. after the first round i tried half a viagra. it did something, but wasn't that great.

saturday, went shoping and ended up in aksaray. i had my camera and went to check out the sw sceen around the phone booths opposite big pub. took a few pictures and saw one or two sw around, not great looking though so i went to big pub. as i arrived the gut searched me and wanted to know what was in my bag. as soon as he found out i was a tourist he let me n without looking in my bag. i had a drink (with nuts!) looked aroung saw a few girls and decided to go to imrak. had some food at imrak, they were glad to see me back. i didn't pick a girl and this time the bill was 20mill.

i went to big pub, and it was quite lively, locals dancing. all the table were budy, so you had to share on of the four seater tables. i saw some nice women in there, so got a waiter to send a rose over to her. oce he did, he wanted 10mill. i thought this was too much so he said 5 mill. i gave him 10 and he gave me 5 back (but a fake note, which i didn't see till the next day). anyway i call the girl over and she sits next to me. the guy next to me moved opposite to make room for her. he became friendly and basically brokered the deal between me and her. her name was rosa, a stunning girl from kyrgyzstan (chinese looking, russian speaking). anyway we agreed on 130mill for 2 hours. off in the taxi we went. there are taxi's waiting outside bib pub, but i think these may rip you off. so, past reception no problem.

she was awesome. i took half a viagra 20 mins before this time, and it worked well. i asking about staing all night, but she said tommorow and gave me her mobile. she asked for 20mill for the taxi when she left. so in all 150million to her. note the taxi prices go up after 9/10pm.

so, onto sunday. i thought i hand aroung the sw to see what the deal was. i saw a good looking one and approached her. she wanted 20mill, and said 20mill for the hotel. i agreed and walked off with her. we walked into a place called the blue hotel. they took my passport and 20mill and we went in the lift with a porter. porter showed us the crappy room, and asked if i wanted a drink..to which i said no. then has asked for 5mill for the condoms...i gave him this. then he asked for a tip, and by this stage the sw was pushing him out the room. anyway, she took her jeans half way down and stick a condom on and exected me to do it while she played with her mobile. i didn't as her attitude was crap so i ripped to condom off and told her to go. she left the room, then i got dressed, went downstars got my passport and left. be careful these women are a rip off for non-turks. i live and learn.

so, i went for a walk, and later to imrak. had dinner, didn't see anything i liked, so i caleld rosa from the night before. as rosa didn't speak english she gave the phone to her friend an i arranged to meet her in big pub at 10pm.

i got to big pub around 8.30 and saw two chicks i liked, but not wanted to get ripped off, i asked them both inidivually how much for two hours. both said 130,but didn't want to go to atakoy as they said it was too far for 2 hours. i wished i had stayed closer. they both said that we could go to a temporaty hotel for a cost of 40mill, but i declined saying that i left my passport in the hotel.

later rosa turned up and sat opposite me. she got her friend to interprete and even thougth we agreed on 230mill the night before for her to stay with me overnight, her friend translated that rosa said that this was "too" little and wanted 250mill. i agreed and we left. at the hotel i took a full viagra, and for the next 3/4 hours i was solid and she loved every minute. the hotel even had a powecut in between but we carried on screwing. she gave a great uncovered blow job a kissed awesome. she had big fake boobs, but she had a good body as well as being a stunner.

she left at 9am and never asked fo taxi fare. i got a pic of her, semi dressed. very nice.

i asked reception about the shuttle bus to the airport and booked it for 3pm. i checked out left my bags there and wen shopping locally.

overall i found istabul very good for mongering, but i can see the rip offs are off putting. i found big pub better than imrak for girls, and it seemed easier to talk to them(or call them over) there.

i was always quoted 200$ for an overnight, and only one girl budged from this in big pub, but said she would leave at 6am. i turned her down as i do love it once in the morning!

i see that i need to check out gold can, as well as a few other places mentioned recently. i'm sure i'll be back soon.

would be good to meet up with a few fellow mongers. i'm thinking of going back for a weekend very soon. can anyone recommend a girl friendly hotel closer to aksaray than the holiday inn atakoy?

speed touch

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Thanks everyone for all the info.

Priamos,

I should have reconfirmed the all-night deal just before giving her the money. In retrospect I don't know whether it would have been awkward to spend the rest of the day and all night with her or fun. Not sure what I would have done after dinner in a crowded restaurant if she had said "Ok, I'm going now" and she already had my 150. Probably better to start an all night deal in the evening, have fun all night, and then see the town with her the next day.

Local Expert,

Interesting idea about the alcohol. I would have preferred a non-alcoholic drink, but everything was already so difficult and argumentative without special orders. I know the head and eyebrows gesture for saying no, but didn't think to use it.

Sounds like the way to get the best bang for your buck here is to look for a full time "girlfriend". Next time maybe I'll try out the discos to see if I can do it for free and go to Akseray the next afternoon if not.

Still interested in hearing from anyone who has experience with the $200 Bacardi girls.

speed touch,

your experience with the sw is an exact replica of my own! i suppose we may even have run into the same girl, for my latest visit to istanbul was also during the easter break. yes, an extortive bellboy and a girl who undresses half and implores you to come on top of her without any preparations whatsoever, it's definitely part of the same routine.

in response to your hotel question, if you're willing to pay a little extra without going for luxury and/or business hotels i recommend hotel merit antique. it's the only five star hotel in laleli and it's comfortably located two blocks away from mustapha kemal cad. my european background tends to make me believe that the upmarket hotels try to "maintain a certain standard" whereas the seedier ones are easier to bend, but in istanbul it's very much the opposite: people who pay a premium price expect and demand that, in return for their money, they can do whatever they like. merit antique's staff does not even give you second looks when you walk in with the night's "catch". their list prices are, it must be admitted, very high, but if you use an online booking service you can get a double room for around 120 dollars (=100 euros, which is normally my limit).

hello all,

there is certainly alot going on here.

speed touch

glad you enjoyed your trip. on previous visits i only ever walked past pig pub and didn't wander in - if it as easy as you say, then it is a definite stop on the the next trip.

speaking of next trip, le is hinting that this will be in october/november time. will see you then if you're in town.

compared to me you are quite daring if you tried a sw in aksaray. i have only ever seen one that i would have had, but the language barrier was enough to put me off.

also glad you enjoyed viagra - how long it takes to impact your rod will depend on how full your belly is. read other parts of the wsg, there is plenty of advice.

i agree the inn is too far, but have stuck with it because of the good sized rooms which are of a high standard and reasonable prce, but may try a closer place next time. merrit sounds like a good bet.

{{ also i wonder were you got you handle from, you don;t use a 'alcatel speed touch modem' do you ??? :-) }}


catalyst,

a shame your trip was not better - it can be a real game of cat and mouse, but often it is worth the effort to find a real gem.

(if you want to have a good laugh at my expense, read the rome section soon, i will post a fr about a very expensive mistake soon involving a spaniard, a romanian, a russian, an italian and a tranny !!)

as we learned a few summers back, the summer can be dry of any real talent and the reduced supply leads to higher prices. after the rip off bar bills, had you had two or three great girls, you may have thought the extra bar bills and pushy waiters worth it.

i am really poor at picking a girl and go through a few before i pick one - from this i tend to land bigger bar bills. this is the danger at bacardi. it is bigger and darker (though there is nothing stopping you go to the dance floor and having a good look). but that won't mean you call over to your table, order the drink and then learn she costs too much or won't stay as long as you want or worse still, wont do those things for you your wife/girlfriend won't do ! - before you ditch her and call over another.

still i have had i think a total of three girls from bacardi, all were first class sex. olga was great sex too, pig tails and all' (you can find her picture post some pages further back) - but she ditch me after one round despite costing me some $200 i think. but i can still see myself going in there again for another bacardi girl if the other places are dry.

a point to note, you can have bacardi girls from bars in aksaray during the day (they don't only work at night in bacardi) - only thing is they wont be dressed as nice, but you pay alot less.

when talking to a girl in places like irmak during the day, it is not wise to say you have been to (or even heard of bacardi), they think if you've got enough cash to go in there, then you can pay them more - instead drop a few names of the smaller low key places.


aslan,

you've managed to do what i've always wanted to do ! a genuine semi pro turkish girl. the only turkish girls i have ever seen are in the mp's in istanbul - and i have(had) this thing for turkish girls.

i am growing more interested in "off the beaten track" - the semi-pro you talk of if certainly what i call 'off the beaten track'

i have had two, i wouldn't say semi pros, rather newbies instead, from irmak during the first ever visit there - they were real nice and serious gfe experiences. even with the more pro type girls there, i've had good experiences, sveta comes to mind.

i am always nice to the girls, and the first thing i hand the girl in a hotel room is the "room service menu", i find that if you are nice to them they return it to you.

you comment about sw's around topkapi caught my eye - has anyone been into the normal bars/pubs/restuarants around there in the late evening ? any talent aroound that area ?



big bro aj,

serenda is certainly very good for the first timer. but the cumulative impact on me of the romanian girls not doing bj and being too mechanical/quick in bed is enough for me to not consider going there (gets annoying after a little while) and chance my arm elsewhere - sure this may just be my own experience. but there is of course little gabriella there whom i met on my first ever trip there - she does eveything, everything with smile.

but on balance, i would still recommend it to a first timer because of the ease and hassle free deal with the waiters and hotel staff.

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would you all agree, i think the main point is that we have all been to the same haunts and yet our experiences are all often so different.

Last night decided to call one of the numbers posted by Aslan Kral 0535 516 9295.
Supposed to be an Hungarian, but a friend of her answered, and it was a nice half spanish half hungarian.
She made me wait almost an hour before coming to my hotel, however it was worth waiting.
Long black hair, nice body, kind of big lady, with nice back and ... front.
She stayed more than one hour, we had agreed for 2, but she was somewhat in a hurry.
Two shots, decent bbbj. Worth the money, 100 euros and 20 for the taxi, without any hassles like in the pubs.
I had told I was staying two weeks and she probably did her best hoping for a new call.
Red

Just a note on my recent experiences in Istanbul:

Irmak, Gold Can and Pig Pub are safe. Actually Gold Can had a pretty good selection even though it was early afternoon when I got there.

I was at Seranda in December, and took a Ukranian back then for a 2-hours/3-shots whichever happens earlier deal and paid her $50. This time all girls quoted $100 for two hours and quality of the girls were not commensurate. Seranda might be deteriorating...

I spent an improvised long weekend in Istanbul this week: the weather was wonderful and the girls were not bad either!

That said, I should warn prospective mongers about an ongoing crackdown in the redlight area of Yenikapi/Aksaray: the street service at Irmak and surrounding bars has been dismantled and the number of hotels that are willing to rent by the hour is dramatically reduced. Moreover, while I was there the police busted Gold Can. No doubt it will open again, but the question is when. I got the impression that the gist of the LE operation was to clamp down on "visible" activities that might offend ordinary people: the late night action was as vibrant as ever and naturally you were free to take as many girls to your place (if you have one...) as you cared, but afternoon places, open-air places and "respectable" hotels mixing punters with bona fide guests were definitely feeling the heat. Maybe this was all due to the fact that a big UN conference was in town during my visit, but, then again, those big honchos are not supposed to roam this part of town, are they? ;-)

I spent three nights in town, the first two of which quite agreeable. On my first evening out I teamed up with a volupteous little Ukrainian lady in Gold Can (the night before it was closed), who was so bottled-blonde and had 'sex-sex-sex' written so shamelessly across her face that I would have dreaded offering her a meal or even a drink in a public place. But who cares? Back at the hotel she performed serial BBBJs interrupted by FS in multiple position and asked every five minutes if "you want me to do different, ya?". This was the closest I got to a GFE on that trip.

On the second day I picked up a slim young Moldovan brunette in Irmak. She didn't speak English, but her older girlfriend did so the introductory negotiations were not too tormentuous. She gave me a correct & comprehensive service, but she was pliant rather than active and it felt a bit like being with an inflatable doll. Still, she had a beautiful body, so I couldn't help feeling that I'd had something for my 50+ euros.

The third day was the kind that makes first-time mongers decide that they'll "never in a lifetime come back to that ***** town". I was so unfortunate I can barely think of it without wincing. I started relatively early in Big Pub, and wanted to test one of my favourite theories: if you monger in the afternoon, pick a less-than-stunning girl who'll figure you're the day's only catch. My chubby Russian blonde catch had a charming smile, and little else to recommend her. Normally the theory works, but not this time. Owing to the aforementioned crackdown I was told only a few hotels were available (AND one had to take a taxi away from the bar for discretion, which is normally not Big Pub style) so we were scooted off to the slightly dilapidated hotel ZZZZ. There, my consort played all the usual tradecraft of the crooked girls: "I don't kiss; don't touch me there - I don't like that; I want a drink..." and, as I my habit, I kept on a straight face without committing the ultimate crime of offering her more money. (The offer would be accepted, without changing the level service one dot!) However, when the waiter came back third time knocking on the door to demand a back payment on the drink he had served 10 minutes earlier (I was, of course, stark naked) I realised I was being played for fools and marched out. 70 euros down the drain.

Feeling bruised and tipsy, I slept for a few hours. Then I went to the famous Serenda. On the (in)famous dancing floor I picked up a tall, sexy-looking, not exactly young Bulgarian working girl. She offered me a long-time service for 100 euros, blowjob included (I asked because many Serenda girls refuse to do this) and we took a room together. Her body was magnificent, especially considering she had apparently borne a child, but as soon as we got down to the serious stuff she was very surprised that I could possibly have thought she would perform oral sex. It was all my fault, you see: How could I possibly have expected a fluent English speaker to understand the word blowjob??? I demanded half my money back and marched out. 80 euros down the drain. I went back to Big Pub and found a mature (by which I mean about 35 y.o.) blonde shorthaired Ukrainian woman who appeared - cross my heart - service minded. She agreed to spend the night for 100 euros - and she hinted that the price was negotiable, but I negotiated a few premium services instead. We got into a taxi and she took me to... (you guessed it?) Hotel ZZZZ! I told her there was no ****ing way I would enter that hotel and paid her a small amount in compensation for her time. Another 50 euros down the drain.

Well, these things happen sometimes. I think next time I go to Istanbul I'll rent an appartment so that, once we're on my premises, I will not be subject to phoney misunderstandings, blackmail and the whims of the Aksaray police! ;-)

Dear mongers,

Please keep in mind that during the last week of June, there is a NATO summit in Istanbul where US President will be also present, hence the police will not even let anybody take a breath in and around Aksaray.

connect

A request: Can you share information regarding hotel to stay at? How much they cost?

Also, any tips on negotiation strategies with Turks? I'm told it is expected.

Finally, what are some key Turkist phrases??

In Istanbul earlier this month I phoned Arsen's friend at 0535 516 9295. She is Hungarian but spent 3 years in Madrid so she speaks Spanish pretty well. Very little English. Called herself Margarita.

Margarita is sexy, at least at first. She is a good teaser and toucher. Gives a good bbbj. Problems is her cell phone never stopped ringing and she was in a rush. Like Redbaron said below, we agreed on 2 hours and she was out in about 1 hour, including shower, drink, etc.

Margarita may have a few extra pounds but she's not fat. She has a sexy body and knows how to use it. She would be MUCH better without the rush. Friendly personality. She offered to bring her friend, Olympia, next time. Didn't take her up on this trip. I might call her again, but would definitely stress NO RUSH before agreeing to her visit. Might be worth offering her a little more cash than 100 Euros to get a more leisurely visit.

About Akseray, I visited there in March and walked all over the place -- saw the bars. This is a sleazy place with touts trying to get you in to their place. Went in, briefly, to one bar/restaurant and sat down. The "talent" looked really low class. I love Russian/Ukraine girls but most of these were fat, ugly, wearing caked on makeup. Yuck. Perhaps my timing was bad -- went in late afternoon. The sleaze factor does have a certain fascination but somehow the whole atmosphere reaked of RIPOFF and perhaps worse.

In Istanbul for only 1 day. I went to all the frequently mentioned haunts Gold Can, Big Pub, Bacardi but didn't see any thing that turned me on. This morning I wanted to get laid before I left so I followed Red Baron's example(see his post of 5-18-04) and called Margarita the Hungarian-Spanish chick. We conversed in spanish and settled on$75US for 1 hour. She lives very close to the Holiday Inn Topkapi and arrived. Good jump! the only thing that didn't suit my taste Was she had a big spider tatoo on her ass. I don't like spiders or tats. On to Helsinki next week.

Man, I should have asked her for a commission before posting Margarita's phone number in this forum.

Raxx, yeah, the big spider tattoo was a mistake and is not going away for sure. You are not going to find anything in Helsinki. I would rather visit a coffe/bar close to the city center and take a 'no-cost' Finnish girl to the hotel. Finnish girls believe that they don't need men, except when it comes to sex.

Aslan Kral

Yeah,Finnish girls would turn you on or the girls in Alaska and the North Pole are even better,definitely worth trying.

Istanbul deal is getting better with every visit. After a month, I visited Istanbul last weekend and had sex with 7 different women within 48 hours. 2-3 hours sessions with each of them, I was completely exhausted and think I wouldn't need sex for a few weeks.

1-) Connections again proved their value, 3 of the gals were new, 2 of them amateur, 1 pro. I was completely satisfied with the new ones.

2-) This is hard to believe, but one of the amateurs didn't even request any money and I did not pay her. This was a lady, 35-40 years age, but had the best natural breasts I ever sucked and fucked in my entire life. I kept asking her, how she preserved them over these years. It was unbelievable. I will keep seeing those in my dreams for some time.

3-) Out of 7, I only regretted having sex with 1. I paid her 100USD for 2 hours, but she wanted to leave after 1 hour. I still tried to be nice because she later arranged me another girl.

4-) Average price was around 80 euro for 2-3 hours, including taxi. One Turkish lady mentioned about the real prices for herself and other gals; 40USD for 1 hour, 100USD for the night, but my situation, she said, was special because I kept fucking the lady for 2-3 hours, mostly nonstop and it would be fair that I pay more than the usual. All of the ladies were nice and never complained. I think, some of them were using female version of the Viagra, they seemed happy and achieving the orgasm 2-3 times during the course.

5-) I spotted a stunner on the street around Topkapi, and would ask her for a ride, but she was with 2 other gals and I was not 100% sure if she was in the business. The dress somewhat implied that she was in the business, but it was daytime and I could not risk it.

6-) Except one gal, others were not in a hurry, had to even ask some of them to leave, very gently of course. For one gal last day, we had agreed for 2 hours, but the fucking went for 2.5-3 hours and I had finished once, didn't want to finish a second time, so that I would have strength and willingness to pound the next lady.

7-) One of the amateurs that I liked very much, will leave the city soon. She said she is making 400USD per month in her regular job and doesn't like it much. She said if I pay her more than that amount she would come and stay with me. I explained my situation to her that I visit Istanbul once in a month and would love to relocate here, but that's not possible at this time. Boy, I would wanna have her as a mistress under my control. She is not a pro, doesn't suck, but likes having long sex, have awesome body. This would also open a window for unprotected/more enjoyable sex. She said she would stay with me as a housewife, also handling cleaning and cooking. It is just too bad that I won't have her next time when I visit. Consider that; you are going to pay several hundred bucks per month to have the complete and disposable package.

Now, I have to wait for another month or 2 before another visit. Go back to London, Munich, Paris, Helsinki or another lousy European city, wake up at 6:30 every morning, work until 7PM, go back to hotel room, kill time, go to bed, visit one of the cities for sightseeing over the weekend which doesn't mean anything to me (just another sport to kill weekends). Life is not fair.

If you ask Turkish guys working in Istanbul, they want to relocate to NewYork or London or another place in Western world, and I keep telling them there is nothing in NewYork or London if you know what I mean.

Be warned, sex is dangerously addictive.

Aslan Kral

Aslan Kral,

You are so right. I get that all the time when I get back to Turkey. They are so envious of the fat, arrogant, brick-mannered, American women of New York and generally USA. In the meantime, surrounding them are the sexiest, most elegant, and feminine women on the planet. Well, they are really just idiots for thinking that.

When I go to Turkey I feel like I am the King. Not because I take out my money and flaunt it, and not because of the hobby. That's just the way you are. I am back in US, and I am pretty much nothing. It is sad.

I think it's better to live one week as a rooster in a small hen house than a chicken in a big one.

:)

Right on!!

FYI.

Big Pub Disco
Mustafa Kemalpasa Caddesi No 19
Aksaray District, Istanbul
Tel: (0212) 529 59 47

Cost of drink, nuts, etc (an entrance fee): 17,000,000 lirasi (US$11)

Big Pub is a no pressure environment.

Fellow mongers,

Beware of Tiffany's night club in Nichantach 20 minutes taxi ride from the Holiday Inn in Istanbul.

Although mentioned before guys stay away from Pimps proposing woman for sex, my two friends went along for the pimps promises, went with him to Tiffany's Night club, in seconds the waiter brought appetizers and Champaign without them ordering.

Tiffany "s had Model type Russian woman, but they were not available for take out, they were presented with a $1,500.00 bill they were forced to stay until bill is paid
they were forced to stay until bill is paid.

After two hours negotiation they went Down to $1,000.00 they paid and left .

Hey can people help me out with a few questions here, well 2 actually.

Firstly what does 2 hours mean, because once I got the impression it means as much sex as can be fit into two hours in a bedroom (trust me I'm young and don't need to take any shit to accomplish that) or is it two "rounds" if you know what I mean.

Secondly, what is the rough going price for these two hours at Iramk these days, its been a while. Anyways thanks I'll give an update of my experiences when I have them.

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Oh oops, did I mention I'm fed up with the shit bar scene? Does anybody have some proper good CIS girl contacts so I could cut that part out of the experience if possible!

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Two hours various from girl to girl. You have to mention what you want clearly.

For some girls two hours mean two rounds,you just buy two rounds of sex. You have to pay more for than two rounds.

For others two hours mean time, you buy her time. In two hours you can do as much as you can.

By the way stay away from Taksim-Nýsantasý bars and clubs. For hobbing Bacardi,Seranda are the best place ýn Aksaray.

Don't forget when you have the girls for couple hours, they ask you to finish it quick, cause they have to go back to club and look around for new guys.

Be safe

You think there are any women in the States at all?? You must be nuts!!
Two hours in Istanbul means one and a half tours,if you know what I mean,so it's much more sensible to negotiate till 10-11 in the morning which costs $100 in Irmak and $200 in Bacardi these days.

I have been hobbing enough to know what's going on in states and Turkey.

I spent hours with different women in Houston,NY, New Orleans and other major cities. Always 2 hours meant 2 hours. Sometimes I did two rounds, sometimes 3 rounds in 2 hours long period.

Even in Istanbul with Bacardi and Seranda girls, I clearly mention them 2 hours mean not the rounds, it means the time.

I hope you will find such girls.

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Nevada and Texas Brothels are better than the one's in Europe.

Chicken and Bunny ranch, Escape Houston, Julianyc in NYC some places you may find beautiful women for fun.

Everything is up to your budget and capability of research.

American women good for GFE and hang around. Russian women good for sex. Turkish women talk too much but at least open to Greek.

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I've checked out Big Pub and Irmak very recently.The atmosphere of Big Pub was so disturbing that I could only stand it for 15 min.Its not worth trying anyway because it's full of older women and you can barely find any special younger types.
To my surprise Irmak was full of 25-30 girls including some new remarkable ones on Sunday night as compared to just 8-10 guys.
I ended up with a new Moldovan and settled for $50 for a full 2hrs without any limits.The best time to hang out there is just about 10.30-11 p.m. I'll certainly be there again in a few days to test some other newbies and I'll check out Bacardi as well.

Hi,

You said you were recently in Irmak? I think i might head down there some time this week when the boredom of lazing around at home kicks in.Was just wondering what prices you were quoted by different girls and their quality. Also what times are the best. I'm a student not some wealthy monger here for a few days with loads of cash so I have to make sure the little I have is spent well, as in all honesty the whole whoring thing is only worthwhile if you are fucking girls above your average pulling level, or I might as well be fucking the uptight ugly english bitches in uni for free haha.

Anyhow thanks.

I prefer the darker skinned Hispanic looking Turkish women, they are the most attractive and most sexual. The "Greek" Turkish women just don't interest me much and they tend to be too Westernized.

I'm going to Irmak everyday nowadays cause the quality has increased lately with a larger selection of girls.If they(especially Romanians) see you're a stranger they'll try to quote $80 for 2hhrs and $150 for the night,but never ever pay more than $50 for 2hrs and $90 for the night and don't forget to negotiate for the duration of stay beforehand,like the full 2hrs or 10-11 o'clock in the morning.The ideal time to settle for all is when the crowd is less,like between 10.30-11 p.m or 1.30-3.30 a.m
The girls there always tell me they do something special about the prices for me and in return I tell them I'm also special in making them fly and feel different.
I wouldn't even mind about the English chicks even if they proposed to pay me in return.

Sexymiky,

If you had read the entire Turkey section before you came to Istanbul, you would have noticed the warnings about these bars / clubs / pavyons. They are only tourist traps and you will NEVER get laid there! Stay in Aksaray & Laleli and go to the places mentioned on this board. A "pimp" who stops you on the road and tells you he knows a place with great chicks is ALWAYS an asshole in Turkey !

That is not only valid for niþantaþý, but especially for taksim!

hmmmm... so I am the donkey now for not having read your report properly :-))))

I was in Irmak disco again last night from 11p.m till 2p.m
I can tell you that the atmosphere is getting better and better everyday with the no of girls exceeding the guys all the time.You can feel that girls are looking around more because not all have the chance to work everyday,so it's easier to make eye contact and feel the general impression before inviting a girl for negotiation.In my opinion it's much better not to talk about how far you can go beforehand.There's no need to limit yourself!! Just feel relaxed and make the girl feel comfortable,the rest is as smooth as ice.
Some remarkable girls come in the disco section only after 1.30 a.m and I think they wanna be less noteciable by coming when there's not so much crowd.It's always a good idea to hang out there between 1.30 a.m and 3.30 a.m if you're looking for surprises.
I spotted a new brunette of 1.72-1.73m with a great face,slim and proportioned body who looked like Moldovan but was actually Romanian.She was 29,but definitely she looked like 22-23.It was one of my greatest experiences for a short time like 2-3hrs and she was the best Romanian girl I've ever met for both personality and performance.She took my hand from the first minute and never left till the last second.She told me all about her life and what's most important of all she was smiling all the time we were together.I learned that she's not been in Istanbul for the last 5 years and was back for a visit to one friend for just 4days.We settled for 2hrs,but she was willing to stay for 3hrs after 2a.m even though she promised her friend to be back in a short time.We started by going to shower together and did everything we could possibly do.She had perfect natural breasts and one of the greatest asses I've ever seen,too perfect to be real.I got her Romanian no just after half an hour and I'll certainly call her to find a way to meet again very soon.
It's almost impossible to to encounter such an experience in Bacardi eveb though you pay 3 times more!! After last night I'm certain about one thing--anything can happen in Irmak disco,just like a miracle.

well i popped down to aksaray on wednesday keeping the prices i had in been advised in mind. i got 60 for two hours but she was quite a good looking girl and we were chatting in russian for a while. however when she learned that i had brought a car and that i wanted to go to my place not a hotel she was much less willing. i dunno maybe she thought i was going to take her to a party where she' d get gang raped or something, or maybe its because theyre all hand in hand down there and she has a hotel which pays her for brining punters, which is often the case. eventually i convinced her to come with the promise of using the pool and sauna. having overcome that hurdle i had to convince some opportunist that i knew the laws of turkey and certainly didnt have to pay him 20million for parking the jeep on the road next to his restaurant. eventually i got out of that dump that is aksaray and enjoyed the fruits of my labour. she even stayed for much more than two hours which was a first but then it was the first time i used the house and not a hotel as nobody else was at home. does anybody know of a tochka style "drive in" in istanbul like they have in russia, they seem to be much less hassle and more straightforward way of doing business.

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this is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.

i appreciate the details in your report, but i know from experience that a lot of people find it very difficult to read a report that is written as one long block of text. it's kind of like trying to eat an entire steak in one bit.

i know how this happens: you're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. however, if you could hit the return key every few sentences while you're writing, and thus break your report into smaller paragraphs, your report would be much easier to read and would certainly be appreciated by your fellow forum members.

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Hi Vegamars,

As someone is currently in Istanbul could u please let us know if Seranda is still closed? What's the going rate in the area? Has the going rate in Bacardi gone down yet as rich Turks have taken most of the girls down to south to the seaside increasing the competition in Istanbul if u've been there recently?

Thnx

I visited Irmak last night again at 12.30 a.m,hoping to see my lovely brunette again.Guess what,she ran to me smiling in just 10 minutes and I was lucky enough to be back in the hotel in 15 minutes because I couldn't wait any longer for a wonderful time.We got crazy till early morning and she didn't even mention about money till the end,but I felt like I should give her 50 bucks.
In comparison to Irmak or Bacardi,the atmosphere of Serenda is very compelling and disturbing.You can feel it on every spot including the girls' minds and eyes.You're sort of trapped in hotel and not allowed to go anywhere else.It's not worth trying at all,but if you still insist it must be open nowadays.
The prices quoted in Bacardi never change and if the girl understands you're a foreigner or stranger,she will surely try to get as much benefit as possible like $250-300 for 2hrs and $400 for the night.The minimum you can get down for the real good ones will be $150 for 2hrs and $200 for the night,whether it's the summer or winter.This is also due to the unusual very slow increase of about 25% increase of the dollar and euro rates in Turkey over the last 2years.I think in a couple of months the rates will start to rocket up again and only after that there can be chances of negotiating for $100 for 2hrs in Bacardi and just $30 in Irmak.
For the average girls in Bacardi you should give it a hard try to settle for as low as $120 for the night though.The trick for persuading is to go slowly for it and act at thejust right moment.

Vegamars,

I definitely agree with you on Seranda. I also have been to Irmak a few times.

Last winter, one afternoon I met the most beautiful girl I ever had in Istanbul. It was as early as 3pm, however, having said this, I generally find the selection at Irmak in the afternoons below par. Irmak has three different sections. As far as I know, in during the day only the little restaurant is open. Then there is another cafe kind of place which opens in the evening. Finally, they have the disco which start to get going around 11pm. In the disco you can see girls dancing, which is an advantage, so I usually go upstairs. But then again some guys hang out downstairs in the cafe. Where do you usually hang out? Can you compare cafe vs disco?

On the first floor in Irmak there's live Turkish music at nights and the second floor is the disco section.I've always been talking about the disco part.
Though the girls rotate around first and second floors,some top quality surprise ones appear all of a sudden only on the disco section after 1.30 a.m. when the crowd is a little bit dispersed and not so disturbing for them.
The atmosphere of the disco is much more inviting than the restaurant and live music parts and besides you'll always have your own private table in the disco where you can feel relaxed.

A little hint for the beginning: 0536 7290283
Kristina,a stunning Moldovan blonde from Bacardi,172cm,55kg,23 years old,150 bucks for 2hrs and 200 for the night
Say you got the number by chance from Venus!!

An Ukrainian chick from Bacardi
brown-haired,173cm,54kg,22 years old
0535 2145573
Julia

...... many more to come just at the right time

I'll be visiting Istanbul in a few weeks and wonder if there are any striptease places where I could take my boss and not get financially reamed? I don't suppose that fully nude stripping is part of the Istanbul scene, but any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Gamma

Hi guys, long time was not typed here.

Here last reports;

Last nite I was in Seranda one more time. It is opened and business continue the same except less buyers and a lot girls choices nowadays. There almost 40 - 45 girls (Half of them dancing and the rest was sitting on the tables around dancing platform. Mens (buyers) number around 20 - 25 included me the hours 24:00pm midnite time. Girls range were very young, childish faced girls, just teenage from multinationality slovenia, moldavian, Russian, Romanian, Bulgarian etc. Alona was 23 years old, 48 kilos and 1.73 size an Moldavian Baby face, thiny girl we did everything on the bed just 3 hours (gf style), still remember as a happy face when I was leaving from the seranda's Door to take a taxi back to home. I paid 3 hours for $100.00 USD. There are a lot new comers girls nowadays in istanbuls. I know because NATO conference days will be start soon a lot westerners will come and visit istanbul. So what is for sex and ladies.

Happy hunters,

Zagor

Last night I went to Irmak at 12.30 am. The selection on the first floor and disco too was very poor. About 4-5 babes on each floor.

I spoke to a nice beauty. She had arrived in Istanbul few days ago. She told she was going to Antalya on a tour. I told her that I am a foreigner living in Istanbul hence I can take her to my house. She refused. She would only go to the nearby hotel. Subsequently I tried in 2 others, they too refused.

I was pissed off and then went over to Bacardi. I hooked up with a Ukrainian beauty, Elena. Fantastic body. Agreed for $200 for the complete night at my house and @0 Million for taxi. She promised to leave at 9 in the morning. I made everything clear to her, BBBJ and sex with condom. I treated her very well. We had some vodka together. I offered her food. We kept talking about our lifes for about a hour or more. Things were going quite nice as anticipated. She seemed to be very comfortable and enjoying. Then she refused to shower with me. Completely mechanical in bed. Refused BBBJ. Only covereed BJ she said. I was pissed off. After 1 shot I told her to leave. Which she happily did. I dont think I would be good to these girls. and would not go to Bacardi again.

I checked out the situation in Serenda last night and was surprised to see the change in the atmosphere and quality in a good way.
The disco is not so compelling anymore and looks more like a modern club where you can dance together with 20-30 girls of all sort on the dance floor all the time and search for a suitable one.
The entrance fee is 20million and the good thing is that you can get along with this charge for all night without any pressure on you to order any extra drinks for yourself or all girls you talk to.
The action is betweeen 10.30 p.m and 4a.m and though the place seems full of guys,the hunting ratio is only 10% and most guys even on the dance floor are only there simply to feel the atmosphere.
The trick is to visit such places during the second half of any month when most guys have run out of money and can't just afford the whole action.Especially if you're there at the end of a month with enough means,you'll fell like the richest and most powerful guy in the surroundings.
Just take your time to make enough research around and on the dance floor and try to enjoy the music and atmosphere.
Watch out the girls who've danced for a long time and looking around with desperate eyes under the smiling face.These are the girls you can easily negotiate with.
The outgoing price is $100 for two shots and $70 for one shot(though not all girls go for it),but you can knock it down to $75 and $50 respectively with some confident persuasion and luck.
The way you approach a girl,the way you talk and the way you treat her is very important for her to like you and accept your offer.
You can even negotiate for one round and change her mind afterwards for two and more without having to pay any extra.The feelings of a girl are always important,whether she's a pro,semi-pro or non-pro,so what you get in return always depends on how you act.
As usual most Romanians pretend to be Moldovan because of the bad reputation around(though there are certainly exceptions to this),so when a girl teels you she's Moldovan,keep in mind she could be Romanian also.You can only differentiate by experience and her general look.
At the end I picked up a slim Moldovan of 1.80m with a great face and perfect body.She asked for $100 for 3hrs at first,but I could easily knock it down to $60 in just 10seconds.
I learned that she's been in Istanbul for just 1week and from the first moment it was clearly a GFE,so I was very sure for the services I would get.
Of course I was right,as she seemed quite ralaxed and comfortable for everything including French kissing,blowjob and anal without any rush.
I can tell that the quality of Serenda is now as high as Bacardi with half prices.
I'll definitely get back there in a short time and give the newest reports.

Hi Wegamars,

I was there in Seranda last evening too. I must be saw you (probably) somewhere in there. I come in at 24:00pm was there (search girls) till 02.30am, then I get a Romanian gal went to my room at S. Hotel. Yes all details the same as you typed about Seranda atmosphere.

Seranda Hotel is still NR1 destination in istanbul cause a lot girls variety and service except hotel rooms weakness. Actually not too bed.

Romanian chick age was 25 years old, 170 meter around. I do not preffer Romanian girls (I know their reputation and worldwide history) but this time, I'm the chosed by the girl, She said lets go to room, Her attitute was like a GF stylish. My experiences shows me ý'm right and this time I get a fullfilly Romanian girl (firts time). She was soo cute, after get dush, she started BJ and normal way, after first break, as usual stories talked around life, been there? where? etc, Contrary many other girls who works Seranda Party area, she speak very well English an French.

Her name was Irina and also worked 6 months in Brussel. Only works in istanbul and never been in other resort beach cities in Turkey like Antalya, Alanya, Marmaris, or Bodrum etc.

So 1 hour later we started round 2 action, she was a bit recessive, baby face, hot and funny in the bed. So we finished around 04.00am. All covered 3 shoot $100.00 USD.

Her mobile; 05364916697

Local Expert and others

I have been reading the archieves of the past since quite a while now. no wonder I found no current info in the archieves. I wanted to share my experiences with the group since I believe I had a rough picture of the Istanbul scenery for the beginner.

First, local expert is quite right indeed. even if you speak Istanbul Turkish, and be a native you can get fucked up in the scene pretty fast.

Having been encountered by guys in street asked wether we needed a girl a few times, whilst I was residing in Istanbul, I read quite a few stories of bars in Taksim you will get charged ridiculous amounts.

Previous experience with a local pimp named Alex also got ruined. The guy thought I was a cop or stg and first arranged a meeting and fucked up everything, before I left Istanbul for good.

Anyway on my summer vacation in July 2003, when I paid a visit to the Turkish Liason office of the company I work for, I asked the guys where to check out for somefun. The only suggestion made to me was Bacardi, and having read a few good lines on it, I took off.

It was a Thursday night or stg, and I got in Bacardi. In July 2003 A Dollar was about 1.3 million liras, and as far as I can understand this was too low for the locals. (too bad I earn in dollars). I got in through stairs and 40-60 girls were dancing. without knowing much I only had 300-350 dollars with me and no cards. (Knowing that in US and EU they find a way of overcharging a card).

At Bacardi Scene, the first blonde asked for 250 dollars for the night, then there was a second girl who asked for 150 for a time (what the hell is that) and finally third girl asked for 150 for the night. (I must admit I called the waiter at the end telling him that I have not more cash to pay the bill for another girl and this third girl should be below 200 or I am to leave immediately).

So I ended up paying 100 million liras - (75 USD) at Bacardi (after three girls) and 150 USD for the girl and 50 USD for the Hotel. The part that bothered me was that the whole scene was set up and the taxi on the way overcharged me *like 20 USD for a distance of a few meters*. Despite agreement for overnight the Ukranian woman *around 30* left at 4:00 AM , (boring but ok).

Every body in the cycle knows you are vulnerable asks for any small tip they can get. and even if you speak perfect language etc. does not matter.

Ok here s my input so far. Sharing numbers is good in this database since a girl would be a lot cheaper without the whole scenery and cycle of people. and just the girl.

"Unfortunately I trashed the girls number since none of my friends were interested but sharing here is great.

And finally may somebody please post where is Irmak and Serander? Are they in Mustafa Kemal Pasa Caddesi as well?

I think not knowing the outgoing prices may cause you a lot of trouble.Even $2 would be too high for the taxi and people trying to harass you doesn't necessarily mean you've gotto obey.Not knowing the language is not a disadvantage,on the contrary it gives you the benefit of unnecessary communication and arguments.
The trick is to make people believe you know the prices pretty well and you're not willing to be decieved in any way.Even if you don't know anything,pretend to go straight for the min like one third of the first quoted figure.
By reference of the location of Bacardi,Irmak is just 50m inside from the other side across the street past the traffic lights just in front of the entrance of Bacardi(1min of walking)
Serenda,on the other hand,is located on the opposite side,so you've gotto walk past the front door of Bacardi past McDonald's and 7up,take the right turn just after the police station and walk straight ahead without any turn past a few streets for about 200m till the end of the road and you'll see Serenda as the last building on the left just before the steep stairs in front of you.(5min of walking)

AtillaBoy,

As you said Bacardi comes ridicously expensive at the end of the day comparing to Seranda. I always go for Seranda because of less expenses. Girls in Bacardi quote quite highly which keeps them okay for a longer while than girls in Seranda even if they don't have any job everyday. What I noticed about girls, Romanian or Moldovan girls quote less than Russian, Ukranians most of the time.

You have got to search detaily and find desperate ones, it will cost you in Bacardi but not in Seranda. In Seranda you can talk to girls directly with no extra cost on the dance floor and take them to upstairs which is the best thing I like with Seranda. But it used have very forceful, oppressive atmosphere in there that reminds me my service days in army. Waiters are like assigned to destroy your defence by their look in to your eye and at your drink, kind of asking ''When the **** are you gonna finish your drink so I'll serve the next one?''. Funny enough, they didn't charge me any peny at my last visit though and I was very suprised. I think this is because I asked something non-alcoholic and I left 10 mil. for tips.

But if it has got better from this respect these days as Vegamars says I can't wait to visit there again.

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I was in Serenda again on Saturday night. This time it was much more crowded, not just because it was a Saturday night but also the beginning of the month.

Most guys just sit at the table in groups just looking around, which means they don't have any intention or chance of picking up girls. It's also apparent from the fact that the hotel is mostly empty and you don't wait at all after checking in.

The interesting thing is that there are also some good looking girls who are there only for sitting at the tables and having drinks.
They don't intend for any action cause you're not allowed to talk to girls at the tables at all.

I guess they're just there since they like the atmosphere and music.

The selection was wide and satisfactory again. I ended up with a slim Romanian blonde of 175cm height, pretty face and blue eyes,who didn't look like Romanian at all.

She asked for 70 bucks for 1hr, but quickly agreed to 40 and we stayed together for about 2hrs, so this is my new strategy,to go for 1 hr and take advatage of the extended time.

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Has anyone know anything about the strippers or dancers for house parties? I heard, there are some online agencies in which girls offer full service.

Aj

Gentlemen,

This is my first report so please bear with me. Ý have been travelling to Turkey on or off for five years now, but two years ago I bought a house in istanbul and started living with a Turkish girl, unfortunatly it did not work out. But the story is I met a new friend (male) who has indroduced me to many free/small money Turkish girls, mainly bored house wifes/divorcee's who love some action. And boy I can tell you they are hot women, my current favourite is a 32 year old divorce'e lovely body and dark dark skin and all I pay is her electric and telephone bill every month and the fucking is on tap. Ý just call and she drops everything and comes. The point that I am trying to make is, that if you befriend a good Turkish man he will do all the work for you as mine has done for me. And then when you visit Turkey in the future you should have a good supply of free or almost free sex at all times. Anyway good luck to you all in whatever you do.

Peckerboy

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I am in Rio De Janeiro, and have been here for the 36 hours so far, there is no way in HELL that Turkish women could compare to Brazilian women. The top 2 percent of Turkish ladies in Istanbul and Ankara would barely make it to the top half of Brazilian women, in reality they would only barely be above the bottom on third of Brazilian women in terms of beauty, raw sexuality, and overall desirability. If you get to see the daily parade of beautiful female flesh in Rio de Janeiro, you will realize it too. I picked up a PERFECT Italian Brazilian, and paid only $R200(or 65US Dollars) for a fine evening.

Some European moron on this board was saying that Turkish women are better than Brazilian and Argentinian women. NO FUCKING WAY!!!
This is a website for an agency in Southern Brazil, take a look at the fine women and drool, see if you can get the same level of women in Turkey for 65 US dollars.
http://www.classisex.com.br/

I will admit that Brazil has a lot more crime than Turkey but if you're smart, you will avoid a lot of trouble.

Of course, there's nothing so special about Turkish women, except that they think they're the most beautiful unreachable sex goddesses of the universe.
However, there's a slight difference between Istanbul and SA, i.e. you have the chance and potential( though a slight one) of finding a girl from any country including Brazil for free, though I doubt you can be so lucky in SA even if you're ready to pay a high amount.

CBGB... what a nice surprise to have you back in our little corner, I hope this time your messages and their follow-ups won't be deleted by Jackson :-)

Thank you very much for enlightening us about the Brasilian talent, I am very sure, all of us hear this for the first time. Why don't we ask Jackson to close all sections of the WSG except the Brazilian one, as all the other girls in the world are not worth shagging... in your respected opinion :-)

Not all of us have the opportunity to travel our planet as much as you do, so we have to stick to our local talent, and .... I don't think we, here in Turkey, regret that too much.

As we had a similar discussion in the past, beauty is always discussable. Everyone knows that Brasilian chicks are certainly among the top-three in the world (if not even the best), but when I check the pics in the Argentina section, I have doubts that I will ever cross the border south if I will make it to Brazil once.

Allow me to attach the reason why :-)
(I quote from the "Argentina-photo-section")

Local Expert, you're a [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue], Brazil isn't South of the Border.

The MAJORITY of Turkish women are hideous, with big butts and black teeth. Sure there might be a few attractive exotic ones, but they're only 2 percent of the female population. Where are the photographs of these beautiful Turkish women? Most of the ones that are good looking are always of mixed backgrounds.

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A litle reminder to all who are off the topic:

The center of discussion on this particular forum has never been and can never be Turkish girls, as Istanbul is one of the few metropolitans of the world with girls from all nations and mainly from EE.

Hence, I propose a new board for those involved:

The Probability of Finding Turkish Girls in SA ??

I felt the necessity two add my two cents:

1) I agree: Turkish girls are high maintanence and hard to get into bed in general. Their approach to sex is very different; much more conservative compared to Russians, Western Europeans etc, but once they give themselves to you they are very passionate. Don't forget after all Turkey is still a Middle Eastern country and I guess women around this part of the world behave this behave. Thet have to be hard to reach.

In the company of a Russian girl, if you feel the right chemistry, you can just go and stand up in front of her, unzip your flyer and command her to suck you and she will obey (I am telling this based on real life experiences). Do the same with a Turkish girl, most likely you'll get slapped on your face :)

2) CBGBConnisur: You need to get treated man!

"Do the same with a Turkish girl, most likely you'll get slapped on your face" If you are lucky, you just survive with one slapp. What ever reasons you say that's a fact that it's easy to get laid with Russians. As long as you treat well each one of them turn into GFE.

Compare to Russians ýt's a little bit diffucult to get laid with Turkish girls, but it's not that hard as it sounds. The only problem is when you want to have sex with a real Turkish beauty you have to pay $150-$200 for two rounds or two hours. You may always find TR gilrls for $30-$40, but the service and the quality will not satify.

Anyway it's summer time let's have party.

Safe sex to all

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How about your opinion of the BRAZILIAN HOOKERS IN ISTANBUL WITH BIG TITS,BIG BUTTS,BLACK SKINS,BIG BLACK PUSSIES AND BLACK TEETH???

By no doubt the sexiest ever to appear here.

I adore oversized dark-skinned sweaty Brazilian girls!!

Beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.

What i like, you may not and what you like i may not. Isn't that true for everyone and everything ?

Let that be the last word and let peace reign.

Let's just make three things quite clear:

1. Argentine women are the most beautiful and sexually accomplished on the planet. Of course this a general rule: there are ugly cows in Buenos Aires and gorgeous 10s in Almaty - but perfect pussy per square kilometer, there's no way to beat BA.

2. We can't all travel regularly to Argentina, or wherever we imagine paradise to be.

So,

3. We enjoy the places where we happen to be - in my case Lisbon, in yours, Istanbul - and we report happily and uncompetitively on the good action we find.

So don't criticise each other: and keep reporting.

Happy fucking,
Murilloa

Why do you seem so bothered about the GENERALIZATION of Brazilians, while you are so content to GENERALIZE about every nation you are not aware of?

You don't even know Istanbul is not only Aksaray and that area is only 1% of the whole scene?!!

You can't even imagine Istanbul is one of the few cosmopolitans of the world??!

You don't even have an idea that there's no single country in the world ( including Argentina, Brazil, Thailand, China, Korea, Egypt, India, Australia,etc ) that you cannot encounter the women of in Istanbul, whether on the pro or non-pro scene.

You can't understand why 3 million tourists from more than 100 countries visit Istanbul and 10 million visit Turkey each year!

You don't have the slightest idea that about 250000 foreigners from at least 50 different countries live in Istanbul and most of them spend the rest of their lives there for the expense of having to live with lower rights( !!! ???? )

These are all statistical facts, no comments added or needed.

Just a little bit more knowledge, common sense and research can cure everything.

Exposing the Hoax Called CBGBConnisur

Ok, I really did not want to do this. But CBGB when you posted the pictures of those Turkish girls with turbans I had no other choice but to share this personal e-mail you had sent to me in our discussions about Turkish Women a few months before:

Turkish Women in Europe and Australia

Hey bro,

Did you make any plans to visit Australia anytime soon? With regards to meeting women its definitely a world above what is available in New York.

Though your story about your friend and the investment consultant really confirmed a suspicion I had about dating women in the US. I found that your friend's choice of a husband was quite shocking, not because of politics or cultural issues, but because the scenario sharply contrasted with my encounters with the Turkish women in Germany, where the women would date you for you, and that exocitism factor doesn't work with them, the women there keep it real, and that's impressive considering that Germany is really whitebread(the country is 97 percent white). In fact a lot of Europeans I have known are jealous that I score with Turkish women in Europe left and right while they can't get to first base. A lot of the Turkish women(over 90 percent) in Europe will date a Turkish guy or a guy from a similar cultural background but anyone else is going to have a tough time getting anywhere with these women.

I guess the dating game is really screwed up in the US where its all about money and people forget who they are when money, especially a large amount of money is involved.

You must be wondering why I have such an interest in Turkish woman, well I am part Turkish myself. If you're looking for Turkish women in Australia, your chances of finding one are a lot better here than in New York, there is actually quite a large community here, and its a lot bigger than the one in the US relative to the population(100,000+ out of 20 million in Australia versus 120,000 out of 300 million in the USA, though the real size of the community might be larger). Especially in Melbourne and Sydney, there are a lot of women in both places. There are women even hotter than the one in the photo that I sent you.

Ok Here is also a link you had sent me of a very Sexy Turkish Girl in Australia:

And this is the picture of the Turkish Australian woman, Yasemin, that I was talking about:
http://www.missnudeaustralia.com.au/g/2000/2000_086.jpg

Now, I am confused, where exactly do you stand?

You are talking about Brazilian escorts and compare them with EE and Turkish women, but you are showing the pic.s of ordinary women. They are not escorts.

If you want to compare them than you have to show the escorts in both parts.

Here is a Turkish girl Simge. She is a student and an escort girl. She is a stunner and looks more real than yours.

Dear friends,

Since my last post I have been taking so many PM about Simge. Unfortunately till september she will be in Antalya. It's not proper to give her number while she is not in town.

As soon as she is in town I will let you know by PM and send you the necessary info.

Be safe

Allow me to present a very bad experience for your awareness.
Just arrived in Ist and instead of visiting Aksaray and Seranda as usual I thought I should give a try to the Turkish professionals mentioned in the previous days.

I have started calling blind from the list. Most of the numbers were not in operation. Another lady as soon as she realised I was not talking Turkish she ceased the conversation.

Finally one replied, namely Berya (not mentioning the number just to avoid the promotion, which is not worth). Having difficulties to communicate in English we agreed for her to visit me in my 5* Hotel located centrally.

She wanted 200 Euros or USD, I have insisted for only 100 E.

With a 45 min delay 2 ladies, which I would rate below 5. Not thin, not the "beautiful" meditereanian lady, which I have imagined. Two far below average, looking as "housewifes" between 25 -30 years old.

Again they asked 200 E for "group sex". I refused and proposed 100. Then I asked them to leave giving 10E for taxi. Instead of living, they of course accepted my offer for 100E for "group sex" as they claimed. We agreed and then:

They opened the minibar and actually wanted to take everything away. I manage to stop them with only 4 items.
They started asking for additional Taxi money.
While trying to hug, one of them picked from my pocket the rest of my money, which she then returned back to me !

You may understand that I was not very happy.

We lied on the bed and in less than 5 minutes the one wanted me to complete !

I thought let's try the other one. Surpise ! She presented to me a hand tissue with blood spots and claimed, while she was in my bath suddently period arrived !

I was so unhappy that I asked both of them to leave, which withot many complaints they have done.

Concluding, if yiu can not secure a top level Turkish lady, which will be for sure very expensive, then the tradiotional EE ladies can provide far better company.

Tomorrow, I will visit Seranda to break even.

Sorry about the bad experience, as I posted the numbers please except this number as an apology.

26 years old Ceyda. face 7/10 body 8/10 sex 7/10

$100 for two rounds...she lives in kadýkoy but alsoshe has a place at atakoy. She is really popular in both places. She is open to Greek.

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I would say, as long as you don't speak any Turkish, you would be an easy target. You need to go through connections (other ladies you had sex with) or Turkish friends who can convince the lady to come to your hotel room and behave nicely with the customer. Otherwise, as a 'foreigner', reasonable chance, you wouldn't get what you wanted.

I didn't have any problem with Turkish ladies except one who always wanted to finish earlier. But still, we were in good terms and she arranged me lots of other girls when I was in Turkey. I was paying her 20-50M TL extra for each lady she was bringing. Once you have sex with the lady and like her, you can ask her phone number. If the gal is married or genuinely amateur, she would hesitate giving you her phone number. This happened to me a few times, and the lady had to call me to 'schedule' herself for the next visit.

Once, we scheduled a date with one of these ladies in 1 month advance and she called me exactly at the scheduled time. She was truly amateur and I couldn't get near to her cell phone. I was paying her 100USD per 2-hour session and she never complained about long-fucking sessions. What I am trying to say is that 100USD (which is about 80-85E) is too much for a Turkish gal. These gals, if they work in a regular job, they would get a few hundred bucks a month, an that is the top. Most can get only 200-300USD per month. The miminum wage in Turkey comes to about 200-250USD per month, after taxes, so you can do the math.

Overall, I am more satisfied with Turkish girls than foreigners.

In summary, Turkish ladies can provide good quality of sex and companionship, however, as a foreigner, you would need some luck to get what you wanted, unless you go through other people to arrange the ladies.

I wish I were visiting Istanbul these days.

Aslan Kral

Hi Guys,

I will be traveling to IST next week.
Thanks to everybody for the great posts in this forum.
Could any of the ols IST hands confirm me that I should stick to the following locations:

- Hotel Seranda
- Baccardi
- Irmak
- and maybe BigPub or Gold Can?

What about the hotel Demirkoy mentioned some months ago? Is it still in operation?

Should I pay in Liras or Euros?

I will be staying in the rather posh Çiragan Palace Hotel Kempinski
on Çiragan Caddesi 32; Besiktas 34349 Istanbul. It's right on the Bosporus.

How far is that hotel to the above mentioned locations? Any action in or near that hotel?

I also would love to get some PMs with contact details of high class hookers(with photos if available) that would not look out of place in the Kempinski.

Thanks a lot guys.

Best Regards,

Strato

Fellow Mongers,

I think this is a first, an on-line report from Istanbul, thanks to GPRS.

Now in Gold Can, one of the few places reported to be in business early afternoon (now slightly past 2pm).

Around 15 girls, only 3 of whom I would rate over 7, no 10s though. And the rest 4 to 7.

Going rate quoted as 100million turkish lira ($60) for 2 hours/shots. A 25 year old blond Ukrainian, 1.70, slim. Willing to come to Holiday Inn. Very much interested in my little device (pun intended) as I scribble this message.

Will keep posting.

All the best,

Mattador

HÝ Guys,

Last night I had a great joy with one of the ukranien girls, and I think she's one of the best in Istanbul. Her name's Nicole and is about 175 cm long with nice body and perfect face. Anyone visiting to istanbul just PM me and let me give her phone number.

Go for it

TILLDAWN

Istanbul: Is it worth it?

I have trawled through all the posts and I am still not sure if this is a good place to go for just mongering. those of you that have been could you shed some light on the following:

Are the girls in general as good looking as the ones I would find in the clubs in Romania and Ukraine?

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Prince 2:

It is difficult to answer your question, as I have too little info about yourself. If you are from Saudi-Arabia or the US :-), it is certainly worth coming to Istanbul just for mongering reasons, but in general, Turkey is not a classic sex destination.

If you have the chance to go directly to one of the CIS countries, you are better off doing that. For me personal, it is easier to screw CIS girls in Istanbul as I do not have all this visa hassle and can be there in 45 minutes by plane from Ankara.

If you want to combine your sexual activities with cultural ones, then I believe Istanbul is much more interesting as Bucharest, Kiev or Sofia are.

As compared to Romania and other locations in Europe and US, there's no need to mention anything.
The top clubs and especially the natural atmosphere in Ukraine make up the top class scene and thus is quite difficult to compare to any other countries, but remember that you've got a very wide selection of girls in Istanbul from all sorts of countries like Bulgaria, Hungary, Czech Republic, Romania, Russia, Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Korea, etc and also opportunities in terms of freebies.
The only place that can be compared to Istanbul and Ukraine in some sort of way is Northern Cyprus.

Everything is related with your expectations. You can not find European or American style strip or cabaret clubs in Istanbul. However getting laid is definetly cheaper. Istanbul is not a red light city such as Hamburg, Amsterdam, HongKong.

If you have an opportunity to go to Russia and CIS, than that's the source you have to go.

Istanbul is a strange place, there are no strip clubs but it is easy to get laid, you may find girls and women from all over the EE.

By the way last night I met a chick with dick. Tall,slim D-cup boobs with little extra. $50 for 1 hour Greek and massage. http://su_sera.sitemynet.com Talkative,clean, sexy(7/10), horny if you are looking for someting different you may like it.

Have fun.

Hi guys,

Any escort service in Istanbul? I couldn't find in the web.

Postman96

Local expert:

Thanks for your input. for me being based in the UK I can travel quite easily to Romania or Istanbul. My only concern with bucharest is that there seems to be very limited p4p venues, whereas istanbul seems to have 3-4 places of ill repute. Yes I like to do the cultural trips but my main motivation for traveling would be the girls.

Vegamars,

Yes I guess you are right. Like most people I like variety but I have been spoiled by mongering in places like Spain, where there are many beautiful young EE chicks. I just did not want to travel all the way to Istanbul and find nothing I liked.

I have followed your threads on Northern Cyprus and I an tempted to try it. How does it compare to Istanbul in terms of quality and quantity of girls available?

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Guys,

Time to time I have been to N.Cyprus for mongering and gambling.

http://www.playboynightclub.com and http://www.imparatornightclub.com are the best places.

Instead of going to Spain, N.Cyprus, Romania, hang around in Istanbul. History, cheaper sex, great food and safety.

As Vegamars mentioned "a very wide selection of girls in Istanbul from all sorts of countries like Bulgaria, Hungary, Czech Republic, Romania, Russia, Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Korea, etc and also opportunities in terms of freebies."


It's summer time especially at the south and west coast full of Dutch, German, Brit and EE chicks.

There are no escort services, however there are lots of call girls and girls working for MAMAs. But you need good and reliable references.

Sorry guys.

Where is a talk about Turkish pussy? Did the Turkish girls stop fucking? Is that's why shemale offers came along? HE HE HE. Is there as usual about assfucking?

For Turkish babes do we have to go to Germany?

Prince 2:

I don't think Spain is the place to go to, if you want to screw CIS girls. The only thing that gets spoiled in there, is your wallet.

Why would you want to spend 150 Euros / hour for a CIS chick in there ? For that money you can have a CIS girl in Istanbul for the entire night. On top of that, I personally believe Istanbul is probably the safest place in comparison to the EE alternatives.

You might be well advised to send "Bunnyhopper" a PM in order to get a clear answer whether Istanbul is worth it or not. As he is based in the UK as well, you might have common views.

A one week holiday in Istanbul including a different chick from Serenda every night, will definitely come to a third of the price you would spend for the same anywhere in Spain.

The only places worth talking about in the world in place of Istanbul are Kiev and Northern Cyprus in terms of quality vs price vs variety.

Of course the cheapest and safest one is Lefkose and Girne in Northern Cyprus cause everything is under the government control.

The quality is quite high with a wide selection of the age group 16-25. If you know the best places and are patient enough, you can be amazed by the different shows that let you encounter with very fresh chicks. It's also possible to make a future connection for Istanbul.

Local expert / Vegamars,

Yes, Spain is expensive however the clubs have a high concentration of attractive girls, meaning I can always find one that I like. The atmosphere in the clubs is also a plus point: no pressure to buy drinks and you can mingle very freely with the girls. From what I have read the same does not hold true for the Istanbul clubs, however that is a minor point.

I think I will end up traveling to Istanbul during the 1st week of September. Are the club girls still around during this time?

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Big Bro AJ,

Thanks for the link even though its not my cup of tea!

I've seen today that no one added anything to the board.

Maybe because of time difference between Istanbul and your countries, we are reading and writing at different times.

Anyway, first of all, I apologize for the typing errors in my message; but considering its length (which I realized today), I believe you'll forgive those.

For those of you who will visit Istanbul, here are some little advices :

1.-) Irmak is the best place you can harvest crop. You will get the value of your money from the restaurant. You will not be robbed, or your bill will not be inflated. However, the quality of the girl is not guaranteed of course. This comes by experience.

2.-) Bacardi or Discos like that can be dangerous in financial terms. Be careful not to accept anything that you did not order. Even an innocent small dish of nuts can cost you up to 30$.

3.-) Girls of this market are the same girls. They go to Irmak at certain times (depending on their individual schedule, of course, not all of them go together), then they visit other places like Bacardi, Gold Can, etc...The discos are the last places they visit. Most of the time, they cannot find one goddam customer during the day and go to the disco at 22:00 or so. If this is the case, they may be both desperate, or greedy and angry towards life. For two reasons, I prefer daylight times for hunting : I have to be home by night, and it is the best fresh time for girls' moods. Besides you can have a good look at the girl in daylight.

4.-) Treat CIS girls like a lady. They may not want to go to dinner or lunch with you. Their time is money. But hold the chair for them, or open the taxi door for them. They will notice. Most of them are educated over highschool level. Believe me, they do value and rate your behaviour.

5.-) Do not ever go to OKYANUS (the Ocean in English), which is a little (200 m) upwards towards Taksim from Aksaray, on the right side after crossing the main road. They rob even their own native Turkish customers. Mafia like guys. The grils do not go out. they are there only to make you order drinks at ridiculous prices ($30 per glass of Coca Cola)

6.-) The Orange Hotel, which is only 50m. to the right, inside the street on which Mc Donald's is located at the corner, is cleaner and same price as Seranda or other Hotels. But the rooms are larger, more colorful. Their split A/C's work, and personnel do not inflate prices. I advice...

7.-) Most importantly, the price rate is : 50 $ for two hours, 100 $ for the night 23:00 - morning. Morning leaving time depends on how you have spent the night. If you cannot f*ck more than 4 times in one night, why pay $ 100 ? Get one 2 hour girl for 2 hours, sleep well, and then get another girl for another 2 hours.

8.-) I say, stick to one girl that you like most and try to call her every time. You'll be rewarded.

9.-) Restaurants other than Irmak, on that small street, treat their customers differently, in accordance with the greed of their bosses. I sat, the one just next to Irmak on the right is most dangerous, if you do not eat, but hunt. But it has better food. Irmak's food is no good, but you do not go there to eat, do you? The two restaurants on the right after Irmak, insist to send you to their contracted hotels and they are too much insistent at sending you to the hotel with the taxi that they will call (the Girl may not want to go with you, if you do not let them call the taxi). Be careful with that. The taxi price may cost you more than the girl. If you'll do a quick f*ck up to 2 hrs, remember, all the f*cking hotels of that region are within walking distance.

10.-) In fact, there are only 5 hotels that may worth taking your soft asses accustomed to comfort. The others stink. Here are the hotels that accept couples with a trade relationship, without question, in rank of room quality (remember, all of them has the same price 50 million TL - about 35$ for 2 hours, if you stay the night, the price is the same)

*.- Orange Hotel
*.- Grand Asiyan
*.- Koza Hotel
*.- Altinishik (Neighboring Seranda)
*.- Seranda

These are all located in an area within a walking distance of 5-10 min diameter. Ask anyone, they will show you.

They are all at most 3 star rated. Not like Holiday Inn or so. Thus, do not expect so much from these hotels. Just for clean f*cking, that's all.

11.-) For connoiseurs in dining, sight seeing, must-go places, just drop me a pm. It will be too long here to desribe all. But if you are planning an escape of say, more than 2 days (maybe with one of the ladies you picked up from Aksaray), I can advice paradises near and far from Istanbul, where our oney will worth every cent (or penny).

So long for now, pals...

Actually the action is for the night cause the best looking girls don't even wake up till late evening and don't even join in till late night.

Though there's a wide range of choice and a few surprises in between in Irmak disco, the rotation of selection is a bit slow and there are too many Romanians who tend to be Moldovan.

It's more difficult to negotiate with the Romanians and they're too mechanical, unconsiderate and boring with a few exceptions, of which most are blondes.

From my statistical experience of a very wide range, I can tell that the odds of getting disappointed with a blonde is as low as 5%.

As opposed to Romanians, the Moldovan, Belarussian and Ukrainian girls are much more lively and easy to get along with. If they like you, you can immediately lower the price and extend the duration and quality of action.

Almost all will love to do the BBBJ without being asked and they will be happily willing to please you.

I've checked out Serenda again last night. Though the place seemed to be packed up on a usual Saturday night, the mongering to girls ratio was satisfactorily low as I expected.

Since the disco is open till 4-5 a.m it seems wiser to appear about 1.30 a.m so that it will be much easier to negotiate and to try out till early morning cause the girl won't have the opportunity to go back for another desperate hunt.

Another important factor is to hang on the dance floor long enough to see as many choices as possible. You cannot possibly make the best selection if you go with the first girl you talk to.

I ended up with an Ukrainian blonde of height 178cm, 20 years old and a perfect slim body and a very pretty face with blue eyes.
She asked for 100 bucks for 2hrs at the beginning, but of course I went straight down to 60, keeping in mind she was definitely worth much higher.

As expected she was perfect in service for a total of 3hrs till early morning.

As a comparison, I can tell you at once that if I had met her in Kiev, she could easily ask for 200 bucks for 2hrs and if in Moscow the min would be 300 without any objections.

I'll definitely meet her again in a few days without having to go to Serenda and pay the entrance fee of $15 for the weekdays and $18 for the weekends.

May God praise al oof us the energy to f*ck, Gentlemen,

In my previous message, I told you guys that I could'nt wait to see my new princess again. Her name was not Sonia, as I did not tell you with a little bir envy to save her just for myself. However, I did realize that I should tell her name and phone to all of you, thinking she needs customers and these customers should better be gentlemen, rather than anyone.

Anyway, her name is Jenia, (the girl who looks like Leatitia Casta), She's from Ukraine- Sivastopol. I will give her phone number if you ask for it with a PM.

I had her again this saturday, while my wife wasn't at home, though it was a wee bit risky. I told her at the phone that, this time I did not want to struggle with the rubberman, she said it's O.K. This time I picked her up from the corner of McDonald's and flew home in 20 minutes, thru the heavy Saturday traffic of Istanbul.

We had two rounds, which involved %75 oral, no anal. She did not like to ride on me (me lying down and she riding the "little me"). I noticed she something "inside". I think it was a spiral, I asked her; she said "yes"; but I was suspicious, because the touchy feeling was just at the entrance of her honey jar.

To Big Bro A.J.:

I tried all the number of the Turkish girls you gave. None of them answered except two (Deniz and Gizem). Gizem was pissed off to heae that I got her number from the internet, without giving details, since I do not know Till Dawn's name (even if I knew, I would not tell). She hung up.

Deniz was suspicious at the beginning, she said it was wrong number, thinking I was a cop or something. Later, she called me asked me what I wanted. I told her I wanted to meet her. She replied in a bitter bitchy language, if I wanted to f*ck, she would come, she did not have time to "meet". I did not like her attitudes. But I will spare her number for hard times.

As for the numbers of Irina and Nicole from Vegamars, I could not reach Nicole maybe she went to her country. Irina was sleeping at 14:00. So was Christina the blonde somebody mentioned. Thus I could not contact them for now.

Catch you later pals.

Yavuz Hayat:

Thank you for these very nice reports, I think its time for me to get to Istanbul again soon :-)

You mentioned these hotels:

- Orange Hotel
- Grand Asiyan
- Koza Hotel
- Altinishik

Are they just hotels or are they like Serenda, with a disco attached ?

The hotels I mentioned do not have discos attached, except Seranda and Altinishik (Balance Disco for Altinishik).

But, I do not advice Discos. First of all, they are not Disco's. You can't dance there if you really wanna dance. Second, you do not have to get robbed, when you can pick up the SAME girls from Irmak.

However, if you'te too late for Irmak (after midnight or so), you may try the disco's, or try the phone numbers I gave you, man...

By the way, Vegamars is right about his way of timing. It is better chance to meet nicer girls in the evening. Because they do sleep during the day and they think men will copme at night. So, there are more girls around in the evening. But I can say, the market opens at 18:00 if you don't wanna be late.

Altinisik hotel disco is just near Serenda and I would advise that one as a second choice.

Of course the selection is not so large and qualitative as Serenda, but there are still some fine chicks over there.

The other hotels don't have discos, but on the way to Altinisik and Serenda you'll notice many hotel/discos on your way.

Most of these like Gold Can play Turkish music and don't have an attractive atmosphere in every way.

A positive point about Serenda now is that the music played is even better than in Bacardi and especially the nonstop club type of music after midnight really puts you in the right mood.

It is too bad that we can not broadcast phone numbers anymore in this forum. Still, I will give it a shot.

I met a lovely Moldavian lady Friday night who agreed to share her number in this forum. Here is the summary;

25-years old Moldovan, 1.60, very nice large natural boobs, nice ass, great body if you are OK with short gals. Bed performance turned out to be impressive, sucked me quite well for 20-25 minutes and didn’t object to nonstop marathon fucking.

Her name is Maya. Sucking quality 8/10, fucking quality 8/10, body 8/10(if you don’t mind short gals), face 6/10.

Phone number is; 0535 3310456. She says she would come to hotels only, 2 hours 100 USD. If you don’t like her, you can send her back by paying the taxi fare. However, her bed performance is better than her looks. When she is on top she fucks quite aggressively and you can have truly enjoyable moments. She was never in a hurry and totally cooperated with my wishes.

Major problem is that she does not speak English, however, she said she could do small talk if you tell her, the name of the hotel you are staying, room number, your name, and how much it is going to cost, etc.

If the phone number is deleted, send me a PM. I don't fully understand why moderators chose to change the policy recently. Please, make an exception this time.

Aslan Kral

I got a PM from a friend asking mongering in N.Cyprus. I want to share what I know.

I have never been there since 2000. That's why my info is 4 years old.

There are tens of clubs full of EE chicks on the way from Lefkose to Girne and in both cities. Some clubs in Girne are just tourist trap.You better ask the taxi driver, it may cause trouble if you ask it in Istanbul, but in N.Cyprus everthing is totally different. Anyway 4 years ago I lived in G.Magusa, but we perefer to go to Lefkose for mongering(30 min. drive).

In our time imparator was the best one(EE beuties, clean,each girl has their own room with TV and hot shower, there was a poll at the teras). First you pay cover, you may drink one domestic drink with that. You sit there girls are dancing(they try to create an atmosphere like a strip club but it's more like a joke. Not only the girls but the managers also do not have the spirit and real konwledge about the strip clubs; that's why it turn into a comedy). Girls dancing half naked, if you like the girl you just tell it to the waiter, he tells you the price, you pay it and she picks you upstairs.

4 years ago cover was almost $2, full service all night long was around $50. I have no idea about the prices today.

If you are a goodlooking guy with cash, you may also find chicks(EE and Turks) at the casinos. ROCK is THE PLACE for gambling and hunting. Casino and two awesome club/disco/bar. Father owns the joint and son manages the club/disco/bar, he moved from London that's why he knows what he is doing(They own couple of places in London).

Gambling, sex and booze is a dangerous combination.

Good hunting-be safe

AJ

P.S. I heard Madame Nicole was looking slaves.

http://www.geocities.com/madame_nicole/
http://domdominion.com/community/madame-nicole.html

Well boys, My hat is off to you fellas. Got back from Istanbul and it was a great tour thanks to the intel you fellas provided. Went to Serenda which was not to far from the hotel and the ladies were absolutly smoking! Gorgeous creatures! Hooked up with a Spanish babe for one Franklin and later on to the wee hours of the mornin had a Romanian for almost half the price. Bacardi was right down the street but Serenda has better quality. What was weird was you can't talk to the woman at the table, just at the dance floor. My friend made an attempt and was shood off like the plague! All in all a very pleaseant experience!

Thanks dudes!

It had been more than a month I had not paid a visit to Istanbul scene, so before retiring for a few months, I decided to arrange a feast in Istanbul last weekend.

This time I hired an agent to arrange 8 new girls to have sex during a course of 52 hours, from 11:30PM Friday night until 3:30AM Monday morning. The conditions were clear; 2-3 hours sessions with lots of sucking and fucking, without any objection from the girl. No kinky stuff. 100 USD for each session inclusive of taxi. Actionable and beautiful women, but not animals who would complain after some action.

We agreed on 200USD for the arrangement and I had full trust in my agent as she was a reliable PRO herself. This time, I also decided to get and post the phone numbers of those ladies I would recommend in this forum. So, I was planning to explain the ladies that there is such a forum over the internet and could post their phone numbers if they agree, so they could attract more customers.

The planned schedule was 2-3-3 over three nights.

My agent provided some guidance, she would bring the gal for introductions, mention about any special situation, for instance language problem, or a no-kiss condition, etc. From my side, I wouldn’t jump the girl once my agent leaves the room, talk 20-25 minutes before engaging in sexual activity, but always keep the control and give the feeling that the paying party is the boss. She would make sure that the gal also would stay at least 2 hours and behave nicely.

Night 1:

Girl #1; 25-years old Moldovan, 1.60, very nice large natural boobs, nice ass, great body if you are OK with short gals. Bed performance turned out to be impressive and she agreed to post her number in this forum. She sucked me quite well for 20-25 minutes and didn’t object nonstop marathon fucking.

Her name is Maya. Sucking quality 8/10, fucking quality 8/10, body 8/10(if you don’t mind short gals), face 6/10. She even agreed to allow me to take body shots to post it here, but I didn’t have any camera.

Phone number is; 0535 3310456. She says she would come to hotels only, 2 hours 100 USD. If you don’t like her, you can send her back by paying the taxi fare. However, her bed performance is better than her looks. When she is on top she fucks quite aggressively and you can have truly enjoyable moments. She was never in a hurry and totally cooperated with my wishes.

Major problem is that she does not speak English, however, she said she could do small talk if you tell her, the name of the hotel you are staying, room number, your name, and how much it is going to cost, etc.

I finished twice with this girl and it was already 3AM when she left. I was thinking how I would cope with the next pro.

Girl #2; 28-years Romanian, 1.75, very nice body, one of the best asses I had ever fucked. Talkative, truly enjoyable and totally cooperative during long fucking sessions.

At the moment she entered the room with my agent for introductions, it was clear that she was not a regular PRO. When I was speaking to her, I wasn’t looking at her face.

Again finished twice, because she was pretty nice, aggressively sucked my dick to keep it active during those 2-3 hours. I was a bit afraid at the beginning as these type of gals usually don’t play aggressive enough in bed. I guess my agent’s role was critical to convince such a lady to put a great performance for a ‘special’ friend.

It was quite amazing to finish 4 times within 5 hours. Never happened before. 2 nice gals sucking and fucking intensively. Both gals were nice and aggressive in bed, but second one had a great body you could suck and fuck for hours, for days, for weeks, for months, for years...

I briefly changed my mind not to broadcast her number in this forum, but considering that I will be far from the scene for a long time, finally decided to tell her about our forum. We exchanged numbers, however she was reluctant to post her number over the internet. She mentioned that she only goes to contacts and referrals, and I am not yet in a position to be counted as a referral, may be next time. She warned me that if any of my buddies calls her, she wouldn’t talk to them.

It was 5:30-6AM when she left but in fact she was not leaving until I provided some hint that I wanted to sleep. I guess I could keep her and fuck her in the morning as well. But, my dick would not move an inch. That’s the irony behind this. You are next to a stunning body, naked, mouth ready to suck, pussy ready to be fucked, but can’t move a muscle.

Night 2:

Girl #3; 28-year old, Moldavian, 1.75, slim lady with great ass. She started our session with premium sucking for about 20-25 minutes and performed impressive to let me finish twice within 2 hours.

By the end of this session, I was very happy with the performance of my agent. All 3 gals until then were fantastic with respect to looks, body and performance.

This gal also rejected to broadcast her phone number over the internet, but we still exchanged the phone numbers.

Girl #4; Three fantastic girls in a row, too good to be true, soon enough I hit a disappointment.

Mixed girl from Kazakhstan, 27-29 years old, solid ass, small boobs, speaking good English with nice accent. When we started talking, I thought she was from Africa, because she spoke with an impressive accent and didn’t seem like a Kazakh girl. It was hard to believe that Kazakhstan has such darkish girls. Anyway, after a 30-minutes talk, I had to ask her if we can start. Most girls would make a move after they finish their first cigarettes or drinks. They would either ask for shower or start taking clothes off with a suggestive smile.

Her BBBJ was impressive and lasted for about 15-20 minutes and problems started after then. She did not want me to fuck her in missionary position. Only available choice was doggy, and she started to tell me to finish after I fucked her for about 5-10 minutes. There was no way to finish under those circumstances. I have to fuck a PRO in different positions 15-20 minutes each, rest 2-3 minutes in between, let her suck from time-to-time. This is how it works with other gals and if you are getting 100USD in 2 hours, you are going to suck if you aren’t being fucked. That’s the rule. The gal was a true PRO because she sucked so well, and if she were an amateur, I wouldn’t bother much. It is about expectations.

I still fucked her ass for 20-30 minutes, but there was no way to finish so I dismissed her earlier than scheduled.

After she sucked I had asked her phone number, and she had agreed. She was a such a disappointment, I didn’t tell her about the forum later, because I would not recommend her anyway.

After she left I called my agent and complained about the situation. The response was that this gal was brought because she was mixed and different from other girls. Wow, my agent is trying to diversify the choices. Unbelievable!

She now warned me that after 4 pros, I was about to get an amateur who might not even suck. She also told me that, going forward, I should not ask for phone numbers to be broadcasted over the internet. Some of these gals are her friends and would visit only through contacts and references.

Girl #5; 19-year old from Romania, blond, 1.65, very nice ass, slightly overweight, average face, green eyes, etc. My session with her, I wasn’t disappointed, but after first three gals, my expectations might have gone higher. Besides, I had finished 6 times during last 20 hours. I occasionally felt that it is not worth continue fucking until the following day, but time pressure (I was scheduled to leave early Monday morning) forced me to finish the job.

So, it was just OK with 2 finishes in about 2-2.5 hours. She didn’t suck much, I would say, just kissed my dick. She couldn’t speak Turkish very well and didn’t speak any English at all. Sometime, we just watched TV without speaking to each other.

Would I recommend her? I gave a serious thought about it, but she didn’t even give her phone number to me. She said, if I want to contact her, I had to call my agent. Amazing, my agent is probably telling them not to share their phone numbers.

Night 3;

I feel my energy is going down, how am I going to fuck 3 girls in a row, in separate 2-hour sessions tonight? There is absolutely no way, but I know I will later regret to miss the opportunity. It was obvious that there was not going to be such an opportunity outside the country for a Turkish guy like me, even with some money to spend on PROs. This is just an issue of taste, language and psychology. This is the time to fuck and get the balls sucked before shutting down the engine for a few months. May be, these memories will help to lessen the agony of the future, I hope.

Girl #6; Third day’s first girl, issss, quite impressive, comparable to the experience I had with first three girls.

28 years old blond from Romania made me think that Romanian girls are not that bad as many people feared. 1.70M, natural large boobs to suck for hours, nice ass to fuck for other hours, gigantic lips to kiss for remaining hours. Well, if I were living in Istanbul, why not hire and bang such a gal for a month?

2-hour session, finished a second time when the clock hit the first minute of third hour. All positions, lots of banging, no complaints, decent sucking, what would I ask for more?

Girl #7; 26 years-old Romanian, 1.65, brunette, nice ass, OK boobs, tight pussy, who claimed divorced a few months ago. She even showed me a photo of her ex-husband, a sympathetic Turkish guy. According to her, the husband’s family was outraged when they got married because she was then working as a PRO.

I hit her pretty rough, missionary position. Never complained and wanted me to continue in different positions. She didn’t suck my dick though, only kissed.

I finished twice within 2-2.5 hours, but my last finish was very exhaustive. 12 ejaculations during 50 hours and there was still one gal to go. It was almost 2AM on Monday morning and I had to catch an early flight. I called my agent and informed her I am not going to do it. I wouldn’t mind gal coming in, talk and drink something, but I was not in a position to whack her, even if she turns out to be a fabulous porn start. My agent said OK, but still provided some attractive information. According to her, this girl was 20-years old, very beautiful, but amateur, wouldn’t suck and kiss. I gave a serious thought, if I take her, I would have to spend the night without sleeping, but I had to go to work after a 4-hour flight, obviously it would be torture. Also, without any serious sucking how would I get into action? I could only admire her body from 5,000 miles away in a future retro. It was not worth it, so I rejected and didn’t pay anything. At the end of it, my agent got slightly less than 200USD, because of girl #4.

I told my agent I would not be back for a long time, but we will keep in touch because I am satisfied with her services. She is a PRO, she wouldn’t mind bringing girls from her own country if I were living in Istanbul. She talks about regular gals, bring 3-4 of them to Istanbul for a week, to be fucked by the same guy. Total cost should not exceed 1000-1200USD. Consider this, you have three girls under your hand, and fuck them for a week, may be 45-minutes sessions with each every day, may be 2-somes, or 3-somes. These are regular, young beautiful girls. Wow, there is no way to match this in another part of the world, and if I were living in Istanbul, it would not be a mere fantasy. As long as you have contacts, you will be better than ‘just fine’ in this fantastic city.

Well, I visited this city, as a Turkish guy, several times over the last few months, and I can easily tell you that I am definitely satisfied. I didn’t count, if I had fucked 80 different woman, rough estimate, I was satisfied with 70 of them. Sometimes, you run into problems, but most of the time you get good deals. I had felt this when I had it first time with a nice Ukrainian lady, back in March, paying 100 euro for the full night, and having a fantastic morning sex after hours of sucking/fucking previous night.

Now going back to dumb, old New England tomorrow. Time to dump the girlfriend.

Be warned, serious banging is hazardous to your spiritual health. Fabulous fucking might yield severe personal damage.

Bang with caution. Whack with care. Knock with suspicion.

Aslan Kral

Actually it's meaningless to pay any kind of commission in Istanbul for arrangement of girls you don't have an idea about, while you could have numerous choices on your own.

Besides, it's foolish to pay more than 50 bucks for 2-3 hrs of best quality.

Let me give you one little secret. There's no such thing as regular girls joining in this game for first time. It's just a complete lie to increase the barrier of prices, especially in Istanbul. Those girls, whether Turkish or not, just play their role to seem like unaware of the game.

Gentlemen,

Vegamars is "sapina kadar" right about his comments on commission.

But, you may look at it this way :

These people have to make money out of this and you have ALREADY spared the money that you are willing to pay. So, if everybody's happy, why not give it away?

The girls and mama's do not live in good conditions and they are trying to collect some money for their (near) future in a country that they do not know, they do not speak the language, etc.

How many of us has the GUTS to pack our suitcase and just go for LIVING in a country that we completely do not know, do not speak the language, without any support from our company (like housing, car, food, cultural support, etc) ?

These ladies have got the BALLS, gentlemen. I believe they deserve every penny they get, as long as they do not DECEIVE you. I mean, as long as you are happy with what you get in return of your money. There will always be somebody who would pay less than us for the same service. But this does not mean that we are fools. It is the rule of commerce. Don't we do the same to our customers? How many of us would NOT sell the same product to a wealthy customer if he buys it without discount?

Anyway, I did not post this to elaborate on this subject.

TO ASLAN KRAL :

You are a legend man ! Just like the MARATHON runners of Greek mythology !. But this experinece is more like a DECATHLON :-)).

Let the world envy you. No one has died from fucking (excluding sexual disesaes, of course).

And I do respect your social behaviour to share the phone numbers with your friends here, unlike most people in the forum (not Istanbul - the other areas I have read).

I believe we should have a DATABASE for the girls here, including references, body dimensions, descriptions, address, phone, nationality, how they are in bed, how they are as Escort, etc. People having experiences with them should add their comments to their record.

Is this an already old - out of fashion idea or is it good, it is up to you gents.

I wonder how Jackson would consider this?

And finally, I wish to add new abbreviations (although I do not like to use them, it is harder to memorize all that terminollogy in order to understand a f*cking report) How about these, derived from MY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES ?

COF: Come on Face (mess)

COB: Come on Belly (Yuck !)

COH: Come on Hair (Sorry, babe)

CIE: Come into Ear (Missed the target)

F: Just Fucking, no Sucking, I don't kiss, don't touch there, no anal, etc.

FIB: Finger in the butt

FTB: Fingering the butt

A question : Has anybody heard the sound "chlock", when you suddenly pull out your d*ck from the wet (it must be wet, in order to hear the sound) vagina of the woman? You must have...

O.K., but did you hear a FART from a ****? I did, sometimes... I came to a conclusion, thjat, everytime I heard the c*nt fart from a lady, I realized that she told me she liked it so much, and had orgasm. So, try to make them fart from pleasure, guys. You'll know, then. Thus, you will not have to ask if they liked it or not. How about that? (Joking about the %100 realtionship of c*nt fart to a woman's orgasm, of course, but the farting experiences are real.

PS : I ve read through other countries reports, written by many fellow mongers around the world.

All the world seems to be fucking the EE girls, except Thailand and USA. Poor girls :-))

Vegamars,

You are right under usual circumstances, but not if you are looking for 8 new girls in the course of 48 hours. You can't just afford to waste time going to Aksaray and pick up the girls.

It is also an issue of taste, 'appearances' is not #1 priority on my list, and you can never guarantee future satisfaction based on appearances.

7 girls last weekend, all of them were pros. Some of them with years of experience, some of them with less. End of the day, I was satisfied with 6 of them.

Well, I believe, intensive binge fucking requires a service person.

Aslan Kral

Gentlemen,

I have been receiving PM's from NEW friends, after reading my reports with Jenia and so on, asking for phone number(s) of the ladies I know in Ýstanbul.

I gave the (all of them up-to-date) numbers to them, except the last two genlemen.

I wish to tell all future fellow mongers, why I did not provide the numbers to the last 2 gentlemen :

I do not want to give any phone numbers or ANY kind of information to people who read this forum ONLY for getting phone numbers for free and NOT contributing ANTHING.

I have seen that these gentlemen were regular members, but the number of their posts were "0" (zero). That is why I did not give any info to them.

So, my word to zero report-members : We are not here to entertain you. We are here to SHARE. Do not ask me any favors if you did not do any favor to ANYBODY (not especially me) in this forum.

I'm just trying to point out that if you're gonna pay commissions and overprices and everything for about average quality, then what's the point of all the efforts on this forum.

If you had asked me for instance for such a weekend, I would gladly give you the numbers of 18 girls for a fast weekend.

The girls surely have the guts to live here, but don't forget, they have the guts to live so only in Turkey, which is a heaven for them for the conditions. That's why they come back again and again over the years.

Istanbul is surely one of the few cosmopolitans in the world providing the perfect conditions for the foreigners.

Yavuz Hayat;

Yes, I know about the overall price situation. I had picked up a few girls from Aksaray before, 50 bucks for 2 hours and 100 bucks for the night. For many Turkish gals, the price could even be less. I had seen some Turkish ladies accepting 100Mil(about 70 bucks) for the entire night.

However, that's not the key point. Yes, if I were living in Istanbul, I would possibly visit these joints once or twice a week and pick up 1 or 2 girls for the right price. I wouldn't need to bang 7-8 gals over 50 hours.

Last weekend, I just needed to bury my desires before shutting down the engine. Even after 4 days now, agony is setting in.

Aslan Kral

First of all, I'd like to give a SHOUT-OUT to my man Yavuz Hayat for gifting me with one of the most incredible sexual experiences of my life. Let me explain. I just rolled into Istanbul today as part of my vacation itinerary. Reading some of the reports at this site I was raring to sample some of the "Turkish" delights available here in Istanbul. Armed with a pretty detailed list of names and numbers provided by Yavut himself, I quickly got to work.

First on the list was Jenia. After reading about her I felt like I had to give her the first shot. I quickly got a hold of her and set an appointment to pick her up at the Aksaray McDonald's. At first she was leery, like who are you and how did you get my phone number. I told her that we had a mutual friend and that she came highly recommended. Anyways, after a little sweet talking and settling on a price ($100 USD for whatever) I was off to get her in a cab.

We linked up and went back to my hotel (which shall remain nameless 'cause I'm still there). I thought that maybe we would get hassled as we entered but encountered no such problem. Hahaha....I told her that I would be speaking loudly in English to her while walked in and that all she needed to do is Aw Ha, Aw Ha, nod her head and keep walking. Worked like a charm it did.

Anyways, we got my room where she proceeded to undress and hop into the shower. As far as Jenia's concerned, she's a real good looker...she's got a real wiry body, like a dancer or a ballerina....long brownish hair and beautiful Eurasian blue eyes. She finished up her shower and came back out and looked at me quizzically as if to say, why do you still have your clothes on? No problem, and they were off in a flash.

We then proceeded to the business of the meeting. No doubt about it, this girl really knows how to show a guy a good time. I mean, we started going at it like we were long time lovers. We were french-kissing and petting each other. It truly felt like a total GFE. After a while I asked her to suck my cock and she swallowed it to the root. At the same time she played and tongued with my balls and caressed me wherever her hands reached.

Needless to say, it didn't take me long to get ready to start laying pipe. Again, while I was fucking her she was very affectionate and alomost loving. We did missionary for while then switched to doggy before I finally came in her back in missionary.

After that, we relaxed and talked as well as we could despite the language barrier. Jenia speaks rudimentary English so at times it was kind of hard going. Unusual for these type of girls, but wonderful nonetheless, she doesn't smoke so that was one thing I didn't have to put up with. After that, we went off for round two which went almost identically as the first.

When I looked at the clock and saw that amost 3 hours had passed I was shocked. Time truly does fly when you're having fun. We both then got dressed and I dropped her off at the same McDonald's where I picked her up. Based on my experience her I might call her again and definitely would recommed her for anybody that want to have a real good time.

Background info: Jenia, 28 years old, Ukranian from Sebastopol. Great GFE and seems like a real nice person to boot. Definitely not a clock watcher and really gets into the sexual spirit of the thing. Try her and prepare to be converted. As I was left her next to the McDonald's the cab driver said "Sir, you've got a beautiful girl friend". Little does he know.

Although I was decided not to give any phone numbers or whatsoever to non-contributing fellas who read the forum only for getting info about girls with no contribution from their own, last day I gave the numbers to Mr. MUCKY DUCK, believeing his sincerity.

Today, I saw that he went for Jenia and he reported it immediately, as he promised.

That's a gentleman.

I also saw that he reported his Ankara experience with a girl named SORGUN.

I felt proud like an ol' PIMP. Hey, this does not fit into the moral values of a Turkish man, but we have get over with it.

I was jealous when I read through what he did with my little Jenia, in detail.

I guess I am a sick bastard.;-))

I've got a question for any/all of the regular members here. Does anybody know of any decent *****houses in Istanbul? As a traveler I personally prefer going to a set-up like that rather than having them come to my hotel room. Big as this city is, I know there has to be something like that here. I'll be in Istanbul a couple of more days and would appreciate the info.

Thanks all

Hi Guys,

Here is my short report on the scene in Istanbul.

First let me say that I really liked the cultural activities of that city a lot. Visiting the Hage Sofia and things like that.
Due to loads of work I was only able to explore the carnal delights of the city for one night.

I recommend that everybody prints out the Aksaray map posted in this forum. It was an invaluable help. Thanks to the guys who posted it. I walked between the different venues. It's rather short and I felt pretty safe.

I was frankly pissed by the rudeness of the waiters in most of the Aksaray venues, with the notable exception of Bacardi. In Seranda, they were so rude that I left after a beer, even if some cuties were present. They have more rules than a prison: no drink on the dance floor, no walking around with your drink, no talking to girls at tables etc etc. Clearly not my idea of fun after a hard days work.

I was in Irmak around 10 pm, there were only 3 or 4 girls present, only old Natashas. They did that stupid trick with the finger foods. Since I couldn't care less, I paid.

Big Pub was rather crowed, some cuties, but the waiters were a pain in the neck.

Cold Can was actually quite good. I saw a lot of cuties there, but most were busy around 10.30 pm sitting at tables with locals. In my opinion it's a much better place than Irmak or Big Pub.
Picked up a cute Tadjik girl there for 50€. That's a another country to strike of my to do list :). We went to the Hotel Grand Pan for 2 hours. Paid her 50 million. The room boy laughed at me when I offered him 2 million as a tip. So he got nothing.

Barcardi had by far the nicest atmosphere. The waiters spoke good English and German and explained the price structure clearly. Some of the girls were hot. I didn't pick anybody up since I already shot all my ammo with the Tadjik girl.

Ok guys, these were my observations from one night in IST. It's definitely not a place I would travel to for mongering, but if you are there for work you can have some good fun at night.

Have fun

Strato

OK, well, like the song says all good things come to an end. In my case I hadn't had a negative experience sampling female delights till this evening/early morning. Allow me to explain. After being in Istanbul 3 days or so I felt that I was ready to hit Aksaray and see what it had to offer. With that in mind, I went over to the Serenda Hotel/Club at about 1015 PM to see if things in the girl department were as advertised.

The way this club works is that you pay a 20,000,000 TL cover charge to get in, then some sort of ticket is given to a waiter who then leads you into a seat somewhere in the bar. I was initially placed at the bar itself but quickly moved to an empty table, of whicch there were many at that time. As other people have stated, don't accept anything you haven't ordered because you'll end up paying for everything. As soon as I ordered a beer these guys tried to get slick on me and placed a plate of peanuts, popcorn, and some vegetable sticks in front of me. I saw the bill and it was 20,000,000 TL. No way bro. To their credit they did collect once I made it known to them that I didn't order any of it.

Anyways, I had a pretty good view of the door and slowly but surely the place started getting packed. It was pretty interesting to see all of these girls come in in little packs. Obviously, the lighting was pretty dim but there was enough light to see that most of them were pretty good looking. So, at about 1115 PM four girls jump out on the dance floor and the chase begins. As mentioned before by another poster, the ONLY place you can talk to these girls is on the dance floor. I finished my brew and walked in. Man, I though I was in heaven with all of the angels. I had drool coming out of my mouth. All of these beautiful girls, and all of them totally available for a price. So anyways, I'm not even dancing, in fact, the only ones dancing are the girls. All of the guys are just walking from one spot on the dance floor to another or standing still, when this big titted cutie latches on to me and starts making small talk. Hey, pretty good english, Moldovan she says, $100 she says and we can go upstairs and fuck for 2 hours. I'm tempted but you're making a mistake if you with the first one.

I then sidle up to another girl who had caught my eye originally. What made her interesting to me it that she looked Cuban or Puerto Rican based on her features and dark skin. Nope, Romanian she says. OK, I'll get back to you thinking better days were ahead. That's were I made my mistake. I remember in school when I was told, hey, when you take a test, don't go around changing answers because 9 times out of 10 you're going to get it wrong. Well, I changed by starting to talk to a striking blonde that was next to me.

Standard rate: 100 USD for 2 shots/hours. Says her name is Diana from Constanza (Black Sea Coast), Rumania. She's looking pretty good but my Spidey sense was tingling because she seems pretty aloof. Nothing at all like the other girls I had talked to previously. But hey, she's looking pretty good. I asked her "Do you French Kiss?" "Oh yeah" she says. 'Do you suck cock without a rubber?" "Oh yeah" she says. I then asked her if she wanted to go ahead and do the deed and she said OK, go out into the foyer/entrance and I'll meet you there.

She came out and we went directly to the counter where I had to pay for a room. The cost is 55 million TL for 2 hours of room time. They also ask for your passport or identity card. I never carry my passport when I'm out so I gave them my BS driver's license that I carry for situations such as these. Anyways, the clerk gives the keys to an old man and he leads us to the room. I didn't have any rubbers, forgot damn it!, so Diana called room service and they gave me two for 5 million TL.

I just had a feeling that this chick was going to be a hard case. She sat down, poured herself some water, and began smoking a cigarrette. By now I know the routine with these girls so I'm sitting there waiting and waiting. Finally, she's done, starts stripping and goes to the bathroom to freshen up. She comes back out and I start taking off my clothes. We jump in bed naked and I star feeling her up, sucking her titties and go up to get a kiss from her and it's like kissing a wall. I thought you French kissed, I say, I lied, she says.

Oh boy, here we go. You know, I had read somewhere here that Rumanians are to be avoided. I now start seeing this in spades. She didn't want to do shit. No romance, no fantasy, no getting me excited about the fucking project. It's like just fuck me, drop your goo, and move out. Diana, by now I find out that her real name is "Laura", tells me that that's the way is done here. She told me that when Turkish guys come in all they do is have sex and split. So, I must get used to that way because it's that way or no way at all. I ask her what about customer satisfaction. What about treating people well so they'll come back for more. She says "Who cares if you come back. I'm here every night and I always have customers." So now I got a ***** giving me a lesson on Economics 101, that it's a seller's market. She also goes on to tell me that ALL the girls in the club are the same way. I find that hard to believe and look forward to hearing from someone else that's been in this club and had a better experience.

By tis time I've had enough of philosophy so I have her get me hard and then drill her. After I'm done we both washed up, went down to the counter, turned in the room key and went our separate ways without so much as looking back.

Lessons learned: Go with your gut feeling instead of the prettiest girl you see. Avoid Rumanians, the money hungry, scamming rookie "Hos. This particular girl is blond, very pretty, about 1.65, 55kg or so, and has a tattoo on the left side of her stomach with the name "Walid". She said that she was married to a Syrian and that was their son's name. Don't know if I want to visit this place again even though the girls are hot but might do it to see if I have better luck.

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To Mucky Duck and all my fellow monger friends visiting Istanbul,

Don't you ever fall into the mistake of visiting the local *****house(s) in Istanbul. They are terrible, compared to f*ucking the EE girls in your hotel room or another hotel.

There are decent *****houses in other cities of Turkey (like former Bursa's, but I hear it is not functional now), but not Istanbul.

There may be just a few beautiful girls, among hundreds of old *****s in the *****houses of Istanbul. This means, your chances are 1 in a hundred. Plus, the premises are disgusting. I mean, the streets and the surroundings. Some say, some houses are clean, but I doubt you will find the right one as a seldom visitor.

Just go for Turkish or EE girls and if you do not want to bring them into your Hotel, go to the hotels named in previous reports in this forum.

Peace...

I wrote the answers to Mucky Duck's questions just 5 minutes ago, replying his previous PM. I also posted a new report in the forum about this.

Here are some more remarks for fellow friends mongering in Istanbul :

Do not go to a ***** house. You may try the GRAND ASIYAN Hotel in Aksaray, (ask anybody) if you do not want to bring the girl to your room.

As for your aim of choosing the girl instead of getting the risk of calling in an unwanted (beauty is in the eye of the beholder) girl from just a phone number...Well, I can say you can do your selection by visiting the places where these girls drop in.

Best time for visiting the places start at 18:00 P.M.

If you want to choose your girl. Just go to Irmak Restaurant in aksaray. It is in the street right opposite to McDonald's. There are two chicken restaurants at the two opposite corners of the street. You cannot miss it. Walking up from that street, you will notice the entrance of a small, alley-like street on the left, after 50 m. THAT is where the action takes place. Irmak is the first restaurant on the right when you enter the street. Sit in front of the door on the second entry door (from right). Or sit inside that dark saloon if you like. Look at the girls and call any girl you like to your table. Talk about whatever you want to, there (price, how many times, how long, does she do anal, you do or not like to do it with condom, etc...) if you do not want to get frustrated later. Tell her you will take her to ----- Hotel and if it is O.K. with her. If she tells you that she knows or feels comfortable at another Hotel, do not be pissed off, unless the hotel is outside the Aksaray district. All hotels in Aksaray are somewhat the same quality, the room sizes and small details vary. You will not get ripped off at any hotel in Aksaray, the room price is a mere 50 million TL. (30$ or so). You can ask the waiters for condoms ($1 or 2)

Tip is important in Turkish entertainment arena. Just tip the servants, everywhere you go. If you do not want to see solemn faces around you, tip BEFORE ordering something. At the restaurant, if you do not pick up a girl, tip them %10. If you get the girl, they will charge you more expensive price for the drinks, but do not worry, it will only be twice the price. That is, $5 for a beer and nuts alone, $10 with a lady at your table. The cocktail (non-alcoholoc) that the lady drinks may cost $15. If you get the girl by asking a waiter to call her for you, tip him 20 million TL.

Other alternatives to Irmak restaurant (just in case) are, Gold Can Bar (ask anybody around Mc Donald) and Bacardi Disco (50 m upwards from Mc Donald's, towards the 4 way junction, on the left, inside a passage with costume shops, go downstairs) and Seranda disco (this is located at the end of the street downwards from McDonald's, walk about 300-400 m. when you see the end of the street with steep stairs, the Seranda is the second Hotel on the left, right beside the stairs. you may use the hotel facilities if you pick the girl from here.

However, do not forget that the best time for the places except Irmak is AFTER 10:30 or 11:00 P.M. They climax at around 12:30-01:00.

Taxis charge double the price after midnight.

weekly report (saturday 31st) from ýstanbul, aksaray :

i could not wait till 13:00 to get off work. i work on saturdays, half a day.

i was free by 13:01 and found myself driving full speed to aksaray. i felt very energetic that day, a beautiful, not so hot day.

i sat down at one of the tables outside irmak. i was eager to try the numbers on my list, enriched by those given by big bro aj, hedonist and vegamars.

i called a monger turkish friend of mine. he said he would meet me in half an hour. i started waiting for him.

accompanied with an ice cold efes beer, i first called deniz, the turkish pro. i got her number from one of big bro aj's previous reports. i called her last week the first time, actually. because of my reluctance with turkish rippers, i wanted to meet her first, before going into the real thing. she replied rudely, saying she did not have timefor that, and if i wanted a screw, she would drop in. i did not like the approach, so i hang up that time. but to my surprise, she began calling me. she called me 9-10 times during the week. she just lets my phone ring for once and hangs up, then i call her. i asked what she would like to say. she told me she was sorry for being rude, she does that to guys she does not know, and she would be happy to meet me whenever i call. i told her i work within the week and i would try to create some time for her at weekend. well, it was time to hold my promise.

she cheered up when she heard my voice and she was ready to drop in within 10 minutes. i asked her the cost. she said $100 for 2 hours or two times, whichever comes first. that was expensive. i was certainly unsure that it would worth. i said the market price is $50. she said that was the absolute minimum and she would give me only once for that price. i asked her if she had a beautiful friend to bring along. she said she had many girlfriends and that's no problem. i offered her 50 euros for 2 times and the same to her friend, but we wanted a switch. i explained that they would switch us after f*cking one of us. we would rent two neighboring rooms in the hotel for that. she said o.k. and i told her that i would call her when my friend comes.

for alternatives, after guaranteeing the deal; i called other girls. i did not call the girls i knew, beause they know me for a long time and they would be pissed off if i asked them for switching.
julia, the ukrainian chick that vegamars recommended, shouted at me on the phone that, she would definitely not go out with men she does not know. since i did not know vegamars' real name, i could not tell her that she was recommended by him. telling her that i got the number from the internet pissed her off more, so i had to hang up.

irina, the rumenian recommended by zagor was with a customer from overnight and she told me she could drop in only at 19:00. missed again.

nicole's (recommended by till dawn) number never answers or rings. i guess she is out of country. that was dropped down from the list. luiza's (again, by till dawn) number always replied by the telesecretary service, also missed out.

kristina, vegramars' stunning blonde also never answers. pass.

olya, the mommy who i did not f*ck but met (wonderful body, fair face) was having her period. maya, recommended by aslan kral

i knew that the two turkish girls recommended by big bro aj were expensive girls and they lived on the asian side of istanbul (where i live). big bro said they charge $120 per two hours. they would also ask for taxi fare from there (my wife is here, i cannot take them home), which would take another $25-30. no way.

so i sat, my friend dropped in. i told him the deal. he directly refused renting turkish girls. apparently, he also had some rip off adventure previously, with turkish gals.

i had no choice to call one of my old girls. the newest one that i met was jenia, so i went for her. i told her i was sitting at irmak. she asked "why", giggling. i said "i came for you, babe". i told her to bring a friend. she was surprised, since she thought i wanted a group. i explained the switching matter and she said o.k. we set to meet at the orange hotel (just inside mcdonald's street on the right) 10 min later.

the guys at the hotel invited us two second floor and kindly asked us not to wait at the lobby. i guess that had some hassle with the police recently. well, there was a decent bar at the second floor and i did not know that ! my friend and i were wondering, if we did not like the girl who would come, what should we do? we decided to give her taxi money and call one of my old wh*res and not to do the switch. while the three of us were waiting, jenia's friend ira (also ukranian) hopped in.

wow, what a face ! i liked her face. nice mid-length blond hair, mignon face (and body), gazelle eyes (most important) and always smiling ! and again, she met my other criteria as well : wonderful ass, shining proportional legs, small feet, all toes proportional, small hands with thin fingers. not sizeable tits, though. maybe 80-85. what else could i ask from god?

joyfully, we got up to our rooms. there was only a thin wall between the rooms and we could hear the shower's noise from the other room. thru the processing, my girl was always moaning, so i did not hear the moans from the other room.

i got jenia first. well, she was happy to meet me. she gave me one of her classic long french kisses. omg, her pink sweet tongue almost down my throat ! and she had no sign of wear and tear from last night that she spent with mucky duck (refer to his report for details). she kissed me all over, slowly lowering on her knees to end up at my screwdriver. i pulled it out of her greedy mouth just before coming and had to squeeze my crotch in order not to come outside. that was close, man. i did not want to spend my valuable shots just for a bbbjtc+cim (sorry, i used an abbreviation). plus, i was not sure if she would like a cim, although she seemed like she would go till the end.

everything with jenia was bareback now, she did not even ask and i did not even think about a condom or whatsoever. juices of pleasure dripping from my "driver", i drove the car into her garage in missionary style at once (she likes that position, somehow). alas ! i came in 2 seconds, before i could go back and forth for 1 or 2 times ! it was hot, wet, and tight. i could not stand for 1 more second !

first shot gone, i was afraid that she would just leave for switching. because that was our deal, 50 euros for 1 f*ck each. but she did not seem to care for that. she slipped into the bath, had a shower and came back, asking for a cafe au lait (her favorite). we chatted, and i waited for my thingy to stand up and sing again.

15 minutes later, i was eating her like mad, trying to stick my tongue out as much as i can into her p*ssy, as if in order to reach her stomach from down below. i do not know (or care) if it was true or not, but she came, trembling. my turn !

i turned her over and started slapping her buttocks for a while (she prefers doggy, insted of riding me, that's what she said before). naah, i do not like doggy, because i cannot kiss her breasts and see her face. i turned her sideways this time, holding one of her legs up one down, i located myself between her legs sideways and with one of my hands, i was able to squish her nipples this time. she reached down to hold my balls and push my driver inside and out slowly. there i exploded.

well, it was two and there was still 20 minutes to go, in order to fill an hour. she went to bath to clean herself again and came back, lied down on my chest and gave me small kisses (still french). she still did not ask to leave for switching, nor did she complain. i guess she did not want to go to the other room. my monger friend in the other room was big guy, weighing 98 kg, with dark skin and a lot of hair on his chest (and face, he did not shave that day). but i had no mercy, i was waiting eagerly for ira, the cute petite and i wanted to save my (if any left) energy for her. in the meantime, jenia started another bbbj. i let her go this time, just lying there like dead. but she revived the dead from grave ! this time i came on her breasts. did not miss the target this time !

i had to ask her to leave and send ira in. but i gave her an extra 20 million for not asking for it. reluctantly, but not saying a word, she picked up her clothes and slid into the next room all naked.

i was seriously thinking if i could get my jelly-like prick up again.

well, 5 minutes passed and ira did not come. i was beginning to wonder if they were going for a threesome, and she stepped in, with all her beauty !

i learned at that instant that she was not ready to swtich, so she had to take a shower and pick up her clothes before coming to me. she was so cute. the only flaw on her body was a tiny tummy, which we turks call quince belly. but that was not a bother at all. she had the birth operation mark (she has a son 11 years old) and another operation mark for appendicitis. ý admired those marks, kissing every millimeter later. she had a silky soft skin, no pubic hair, but i learned that she was a natural blonde. as i noticed at first sight, she had a rooound ass, beautifully followed by slender and proportional legs, that ended with 34 size feet which i swallowed every toe later.

she immediately sat over me (which i like the best) with her clit touching my prick, and started sucking my lips gently. i stopped her and said let's talk for a while. she said she did not speak good turkish. i said no problem, i can speak broken tuerkish just like you. we chatted for 10-15 minutes, during which we had a few laughs. this warmed the atmosphere up. meanwhile, i held her belly from two sides and slipped her back and forth over my prick. she was wet now, and every several slide, my d*ck was "accidentally" going in and out.

by, even my balls were all wet with her juices, and i rolled over onto her this time. i started kissing her and touching every inch i kissed afterwrds. i played this game starting from her forehead, eyebrows, eyelids, nose, cheeks, lips (a little longer, when i touched them, she sucked my finger), chin, neck, ears, shoulders, breasts and nipples (at least 5 minutes each - nipples got as hard as nuts), that sweet quince belly, mingled around belly button for a while and then skipped the target (saving the dessert to the end) towards the inner thighs, knees, back of the knees, lower thighs, heels, fet and ended up sucking each toe. she gigled a lot, tickled by that, but she said she liked it. i came back the same way, ended up on her pink clit.

the phone rang ! i picked it up, all my mouth and face covered with her juice and barked "what"?

it was my friend next door. he complained that jenia was about to leave. i asked him if he f*cked her or not. he said yes, but only once. "in 5 minutes ?" i asked. he told me it has been 25 minutes. boy i did not realize how time passed with ira. i told him that was the deal. he misunderstood "one each" as "one hour each". i said "i am busy - you talk her out" and hang up.

i went back to where i was, yeah the pink clit was still wet and waiting. she threw her lower body on my face as i only stuck out my tongue and waited without moving. she started moaning and squeezed my head with her legs. my nose was inside her c*nt, i could not breathe, but i wanted to die that way !

the f*cking phone rang again. my friend asked me to talk to jenia. i told him to offer her an extra 20 million and just whacked the handle on the receptor of the phone. ira was laughing her ass off ! i bit her clit, she screamed, and we went on. the phone rang again...

.- "grrr - ne var ulan?" (grrr - what the hell - bastard) ?

.- jenia left !

.- didn't you give her 20 million?

.- yeah, but she did not take it.

.- did you ask why?

.- yeah, she said i was too hairy.

.- damn, yes. you hairy gorilla !

"sprung" (noise of phone thrown onto the floor).

i licked ira for 10 more minutes. she moved her crotch up and down, rubbing and sometimes thrusting her clit upon my face like mad. towards her climax, she was moving up and down so fast and wide that, i was licking her from butthole to her belly button all the way at one pass, and this was happening twice every second !

she came screaming, sqeezing my hand with one hand, pulling my head inside her c*nt, holding my neck, with the other.

i di not let her stop screaming. i rolled over and she sat on me cowgirl. she rode me as if she was trying to hang on a crazy bull in a rodeo. but her moves were so wild, cracking noise swere coming from my penis, she was gonna break it ! let me describe it this way, she was not riding me up and down. with my prick inside, she was moving back and forth, just like that sliding motion we had. but man, my thing is inside ! i know it cannot bend more than 45 degrees in the opposite way, when it is hard ! but she was bending it 80 degrees, and it was painful !

but when i looked at her face, i noticed that her pupils disappeared under her upper eyelids. i could only see the white of her eyes. my heart could not let me spoil this concentration, man. she shouted high and fell over me like an inflated baloon.

i grabbed each of her buttocks with my hands, and started to move her up and down my shaft. but, very veeery slowwwlllyyy !
one move every two seconds. soooo slow. my shot flooded her and squirted out of her.

we kissed and cuddled for another 10 minutes or so. meanwihle, jenia had left half an hour ago.

i offered my friend to pay him back his 20 million if he was going to complain so much. he said, these things happen. we were both very happy about ira anyway.

we went back home with large grins on our faces, mine twice as large, since i had jenia 3 times as well.

Dear Mongers,

I truly appreciate the dedicated stories from Yavuz and others. One thing I have noticed is that all experiences are concentrated to Aksaray region mostly with EE ladies.

One of the quick relaxation places I can recommend is in Nisantasi. The name of the place Enjoy and it's a parallel street to Tesvikiye. It's located on the second&third floors of a building, and there's a restaurant at the entrance floor.

Basically it's a massage parlor with ladies who do not know how to massage. However, they do provide happy ending and occasionally more depending on the situation. It's not a replacement for Aksaray, it's just an additional "getting out of the system" place.

When you enter you are greeted by a lady behind a desk. You pay her 60million TL. That goes to establishment. Then you pick a girl in the living room (Girls range 4-7). She leads you to one of the rooms. You get undressed and wait for her. She comes and starts to massage you.

I went there after hearing from a friend so I was eager for the happy ending in the middle of the afternoon. The woman I was with (Hazal) had pretty beatiful face, but short legs. She asked me whether I've been there before. I said no but I knew the deal. She started massaging me. In the middle I asked whether there's something more than just a massage. After mumbling a bit she said she can relax me. I said go ahead. She started to give me a hand-job. Once a while she would be converting to a blow-job. All-in-all if you know that this is it, it's a good experience. I ended paying her another 60 million TL. (which is the normal rate.). The only thing that bothered me, she had her mobile phone with her, and it rang twice. In both of the occassions she actually answered and had a minute chat. That was a turn off.

I'd still recommend the place.

MORE ON ENJOY

My second time at Enjoy, I picked up a blue eyes-very dark skin lady. I forgot her name but she was Algerian I think.

We went inside. She asked me whether I've been there before. I said yes. She immediately relaxed. She asked me what she can do for me. I asked "what's available"? She replied anything. So I wanted to have a full-course sex. However neither she nor I had a condom, and I didn't want to riks anything. So I gave her an oral, and she tit-fucked me. That was ok.

Instead of regular 60 million TL, I paid 80million TL for the oral piece of it.

In my third visit, I was not in the mood of a sex. So I chose the regular tit-fucking this time (with my own will rather than due to the absence of a condom)

I have been there three times and in all the occassions I ended up having what I bargained for. So I am a happy camper. If anyone knows places like enjoy please report.

I am married and it's much more difficult to find time for a full-course sex at Aksaray.

Nose Dick,

Looks like you had a great time with these girls. I envy you guys who live out there. Unfortunately I reside in the mongering desert otherwise known as the UK.

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Mucky Duck;

I went through similar ordeals with stunners in several European cities, including Istanbul. Most girls in that range(higher than 8) perform poorly in bed, or don't perform anything at all. It is like having sex with an 'animal'. I would try to avoid that type of situations at all costs. Fucking your hand would be better than fucking an 'animal'.

As I said earlier, 'appearances' doesn't guarantee any future satisfaction and long time ago, I dropped it from the top of my criteria list.

Yavuz Hayat;

Maya had told me that she was going to have some vacation starting Aug 1, Sunday. If you happen to hit her, just ask her if she was fucking any Turkish politician. You might get surprised.

Aslan Kral

Folks;

It popped up in the news a few days ago that a well-known Turkish actor was banging Russian pros in his spare time.

Married poor guy had to go to police to report a blackmail schema after being cornered by a Turkish pro who filmed him having sex with herself and Russian ladies. As far as I know, this guy lived in US for many years before taking up acting roles in Turkey and became quite famous with his performance in a popular TV comedy series. He just got married 1-2 years ago and his wife, yeah, stands by him.

According to newspapers, many businessman got filmed and blackmailed as well. Seems like, police is reviewing several tapes, that were found when they snatched the Turkish pro.

If you have anything serious to hide while mongering, don't play away games.

Aslan Kral

Can anybody provide tel phone numbers of nice girls who are ready to come to hotel in Istanbul ?
I met Blond Russian Girl Svetlana (age around 28) which gave a perfect 2 hours sex, I am ready to share the number by PM if anybody needs.

It's not necessarily true that a stunning girl will always provide poor service, especially if she's Moldovan or Ukrainian.

There are lots of Romanians in Serenda and most of them are asking for high prices for ordinary service, but there are still a few blondes of exception.

If a girl is smiling too much at you and making the first approach, then it should be a warning for you not to hurry and not to be trapped by that first sight.

Just take your time and have a good eye contact with your choice. The first impression is an important part of the game for satisfactory services as well as the negotiation for lowering the first-quoted-prices.

Through my experience of hundreds of EE girls, I can tell you that the odds of being content with a blonde is about 99% , whereas it's just 60% with a dark-haired one.

Serenda was packed up again last night, though it was Monday cause it was the beginning of the month. Anyway, most guys was sitting again and the dance floor was full of about 40-50 chicks against only 8-10 guys after midnight.

At first sight I spotted my favorite Ukrainian blonde whom I had met two times before with her completely new hair style. I had the intention of trying another girl this time, hoping that she wouldn't notice me.

After talking to a few I returned back to the bar for some time. Then, to my surprise, the Ukrainian chick sent a message, saying that it was her birthday and she wanted to celebrate with me.
What could I do except to relent? I asked her what she wanted as a present and she replied just a good long French kiss followed by a decent blow job, so I helped her way out. I figured out the blow job is even more effective and interesting when she's a little bit drunk.

I can't wait to meet her again and I plan to celebrate her birthday again today.

In short, it doesn't help anyone to blame the atmosphere when the outcome is not so good. Actually, it all depends on your tasty selections and good attitude.

What you give decides on what you get in return! Watch out the tall Ukrainian blondes in Serenda, difficult to disappoint.

vegamars,

i agree with you but not 100%.,

i think, we mongers, have to remember that these girls are there only for one reason which is to make as much as possible bucks by screwing the less possible number of lads, in my humble opinion this is a fact that we have to always keep in mind.

the trick which has always worked for me is to avoid the peek days, like weekends and holidays, as well as summer season when a lot of turists are visiting istanbul.

i apply the same here in barcelona where i live.

perfect timing is afternoons in weekends, so you get the first shots with the girls and you become their warmup for the rest of the day.

to wait till 3am to pickup a girl to spend the rest of the night with you, in my opinion is useless.

i prefer to schedule my trips returning back to spain on a saturday afternoon, finish business friday afternoon, cool down at a tukish bath, then go to bacardi as soon as it opens and get one or two girls to spend until midnight.
then a nice sleep and back to real life.

enjoy life,

crazy

Being a new member I like to add some information on Nose Dick's question.

Alternative massage parlor is China House in Gayrettepe (middle of business centers) You can go there by Metro from Taxim.

It is just across Maya Akar Tower, beside 18.noter. You will notice the 18.Noter's arrows, follow them.

Service is very similar to Enjoy, less crowded, no competition for the selection.

Rules, a regular massage plus HJ or max BJ for the first-timer, but asking an identity proving that you are not police. If you go with a regular customer you can skip the first-timer status.

Full service starts by the second visit. According to your attitude, frequency of visits, tips etc. service comes close to GFE. (can be cosidered as too much investment for foreigners) You should bring your condom yourself. Choosing same girl brings some benefits !...

Girls vary 5 to 8. Only 8 is Burcin but you should be very polite and friendly to get service from her. Other girls are friendly too depending on you. Room rate 60 million TL. Girls' money changes according to customer.

Advice: Summer is the dead-season they are looking forward to new customers.

I think I deserve answers for my PMs.

Dear Friends,

After reading this forum for a few months, I finally arrived in Istanbul two weeks ago for a short trip.

Following is the report:

Went to nadide, the massage parlour in the upscale district of nisantasi. friday afternoon 6pm and they had 6 girls, 4 was ok i should say. the other two were so good i had trouble deciding. I kept the process short as I am not that comfortable with 6 people looking at you and the discerning looks of the "madame".

Paid 60m to the desk and paid another 60m as a tip when inside. that is supposed to be the "keyword" that you aren't there for a back massage. worked well, too! BBBJ and FS. Tight massage table is a problem though. it was bad for my back I should warn you despite being a massage table :) not really a GFE, yet was good enough. she never rushed. looks 7/10, sex 7/10. she didn't look as good when naked.

Afterwards, Had gotten a phone # of a turkish girl couple from a turkish friend. names were demed and aishe (sp?). they were 23 and 25. lived together in akadlar, near akmerkez the shopping arcade. $200 for 3 hours. never rushed. one of the best GFEs I have had. one was actually eager to greek, a rare but revered situation! I told them about the forum but they declined their number to be on the net. will definitely visit them the nexy time I am in Istanbul.

For clubbing, Reina is the place to go I suppose.

Enjoy!

Cohibaguy

According to my experience with EE girls, I put my signature under what VEGAMARS has written !

The blondes are %80 not REAL blondes. They dye their hair, knowing that Turkish men like blondes. They are more willing to sell their goods, so they advertise ! Therefore, they are more professional, unlike those natural haitred chicks who do not even care about their looks. I think that's why, the odds of being disappointed with a blonde is less.

Aslan Kral is a good observer, I believe he works as an auditor or inspector somewhere. I appreciate his way of catching things "between the lines" and his sense of humor in squeezing his comments between his lines. That's a gentleman !

I have a word for Nose-Dick : The only excess time you will need for FS in Aksaray will be the time you will spend in the Taxi - that is 1/2 hour... As for myself, I would not pay 120-150 million for just a HJ or BJ, whilst I could have FS in Aksaray for 80 million, for two hours of unlimited service ! All you need is a phone number man ! Then, you will not have sit at a table in Irmak and wait what your merciless fate will offer, for hours and hours...

Hi guys,

I just got back from my military service in Turkey. Before then I was in Texas, USA. So I do not know much about the EE gals in Ýstanbul. However I wanna be with one of them very much which is one of my ideals in my life before I die. Friend of mine had referenced the forum site. I was reading the forum until Yavuz Hayat wrote. I felt guilty. So guys, especially Yavuz Hayat, if you can PM me a gorgeous delightful young EE lady's number, I will be thankful and promise will write my, hopefully, beautiful experience.

Cheers

During my vacation in Turkey I was able to hook up with 2 Moldovans, 2 Russians, 1 Turk, and 1 Rumanian. All of them were great except for the Rumanian in Seranda. All of them had darkish hair except for the Rumanian. Yavuz Havut, if you ever get down to Antalya I know a place were you can have some fun.

Age of girls:

Hi guys. Reading the many posts i get the feeling that most of the EE girls are quite old e.g. 25 and above. Would you guys tend to agree with this? I prefer girls in the age range 20-22 years as i find they are less likely to be professional and hardened by the work they do. Any comments?

if you're experienced enough to select, you can find pretty young girls.

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more important of all is how the girl looks and performs rather than the real age.

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Kayinco: Thanks for the place in Gayrettepe. I have heard about it but never experienced yet. I'll keep the site posted about it.

Yavuz: I guess I wasn't very clear. I have few phone numbers et. all. And I truly understand that you don't want to pay +120mil for 25 minutes. What I am saying is sometimes 25 minutes is all I am looking for. That's all.

Cheers,

Vegamars

Don't get me wrong I don't like them as young as 17 - just not older than around 25. Yes you are correct, the service they provide is far more important than their age. I still have not made up my mind of where to travel. I have a week on my hands for a purely mongering holiday. I have narrowed it down to Kiev, Istanbul or N. Cyprus.

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Fellow mongers,

After a long break, let me continue reporting my experience in Gold Can.

(you may refer to my post dated 21st July for some background)

I left Gold Can with Olga, the Ukranian. Total bill was 27Million, for 3 beers and a plate of salty peanuts.

She’s a real beer fan, so we stopped on the way to buy a six-pack. No hassle at the reception of Holiday Inn. We chatted for some time in the balcony drinking beer, overlooking the see of Marmara, and then moved inside the room for business. Very long and quality BBBJ followed by an enthusiastic fuck in several positions. I couldn’t last long.

As we gave a break, she approached me asking whether I’m tired, and if so, she could massage me. An irressistable offer. Half an hour great full-body massage, which would cost a good $30 if I got it at the health club of the hotel. Sounds like a rebate, ha ?

Massage was followed by another long-lasting sensible very much appreciated BBBJ.

I had to ask her to stop half-way though, as I wanted to eat her shaven pussy.

Unless she pretended so well, she came. And I slipped into her (covered). Again, very good sex lasting almost another half-an-hour.
As we finished, she put on her clothes, and moved to the balcony popping up another can of beer. We started talking about this and that, and she asked if there was any other girl I fancied at Gold Can. Normally, this is a tough and tricky question to answer when placed by your GF :)

So I gave the right answer saying I already chose the prettiest one. But she was serious about it, and she had noticed me carefully examining another blonde. Girls!

She suggested if I had time and the strength, she could invite that girl to my hotel. I suddenly became excited about the idea, but unfortunately the other girl (Olya) was already on business. So I offerred Olga a ride back, and asked her if it’s fine if we went back to Gold Can and maybe she could be my voluntary interpreter, and I could pay her for that, in currency of beers. She liked the idea, and we drove back to Gold Can.

We settled at the same table, and she told the waiters that I’m a friend, which ensured any drink she had is charged in the publicly available menu rates without any hidden charges. My eyes caught a pretty faced, slim body red-head, who Olga said she doesn’t know well.

Usual process of invitation to the table, a coctail, $50 quoted rate for 2 hours, but she refused to come back with me to Holiday Inn. Was quite funny to see Olga trying to convince her that I’m indeed a good man (Is this not called pimping and not considered illegal in anywhere in the world ?)

After she left the table, Olga was complaining to me that she’s crazy, but my eyes had already caught this firm athletic body (9/10) around 1.75 in heights, and not more than a bare 50kgs, with a just decent face (7/10), long and slightly curly hair. Olga stated she’s probably a new-comer, as she had never seen her in Gold Can. Again the customary invitation to table, a coctail for her, a beer for Olga, and I was fine with my vodka-redbull. She barely spoke any english or turkish. Olga made the deal saying she’s OK to follow me to Holiday Inn. No talk of money. I settled the bill, 40 million which includes 2 coctails, 2 beers for Olga, my vodka-redbull and a plate of nuts, quite a bargain, or maybe a discount for the frequenter :)

I left an extra 20million note asking the waiter to bring some more beer to my friend Olga.

As we got into the car, she handed me her passport without me asking for it, and oh god, she’s only 19. I checked the stamps, and she was in business in UAE for 3 months back this winter, and was in Istanbul for only 6 days. I tried to start-up some conversation. No success. I was not able to understand her English, only that she was a University student and from the passport, she is from Tadjikistan.

Again no hassle at the reception, just that the bell-boy was grinning to have seen me twice in maybe 4 hours with a different girl. As we got into the room, she went to the bathroom to shower, came back fully naked. A body to die for.

I asked her if she’d like a drink and she picked up a whisky from the minibar. Still no talk of money. Good or bad sign?

We started kissing immediately, and I went down her shaven pussy, firm and smooth legs. I could easily faint. Three full hours of continuous banging, in any position you could imagine, interrupted just by visits to the bathroom, which were all the calls of nature, and the minibar. She was so horny.

I would never call this a GFE, as sex with GFEs are usually not this quality nor satisfactory. And the last time, I just couldn’t help myself and slipped into her uncovered. Was just a natural tendency & reaction of my and her human bodies.

I wasn’t able to move a single muscle when we finished, and she gave me a short but good massage on my legs and feet. We exchanged numbers as she got dressed. Still no talk of money!

I gave her a ride back to the Aksaray area, and dropped her around McDonalds.

She called me like half-an-hour later, gigling and saying ‘money’. Oh, fuck!!! Not that I did not want to remind her of that the whole time, nor wanted to escape without paying, but honestly just forgot. We both had forgotten.

When she called, I was already sipping my beer in Taksim with a happy face on me, and I apologized clearly stating I totally forgot it. Though I asked her to join me in Taksim, she probably did not get it.

Next two days I called her to meet up again, and pay her my debt, but she was busy both times and never called back afterwards. One of the best (supposed-to-be-paid-by-definition) fucks of my life and actually was for free. A unique experience.

Happy mongering,

Mattador

[blue]Hi,

This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.

I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it easier to read a report if the paragraphs are separated by a single blank line.

I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key TWICE at the end of each paragraph, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.

Thanks,

[i]Jackson[/i][/blue]

I would agree with the fact that most of the EE girls are in their late to mid-20s. Most of them have been in the business for more than a day, are return customers to Turkey and therefore are more businesslike in their actions. That being said, you can find younger ones...both of the girls I met up with in Antalya were young. I know because they showed me their passports. One was 20 (and looked 15) and the other was 22. No doubt, those are best to go with as long as they have some sexual experience.

Bad news Yavuz, I just left Istanbul last night and I'm currently home. I wish you could have suggested having a beer in Irmak while I was there, I definitely would have taken you up on it. I never did hook up with Allya, God knows I tried. Here's how it went: I took your advice and went to Irmak and got a seat outside on the covered patio that that they have there. I ordered a beer and called Allya. I got her on the first try but still met up with the same language problem.

Eventually I deduced enough to know that she was at the Chicago bar/disco and that if I wanted her, she'd be there. Hmmm, I thought, that sounds kind of fishy and I'm normally leery of going to places where I don't have good, positive intel. I then asked the waiter if he knew where this place was and he replied "yeah, it's just up the street from McDonald's but be very careful. This is one of those rip-off places". Well, that settled it for me. I said forget that and just decided to call Jenia and see if she was available.

Luck was with me and she picked up on the first ring. She was surprised to find out I was sitting at Irmak but told me that she didn't want to meet me there. I decided on the Hotel Orange based on Yavuz's recommendation and way I went. I met up with Jenia in the lobby and then we proceeded to check in. I had a problem with the clerk this time because he wouldn't accept my BS driver's license as prood of ID. I didn't really feel like wasting my time arguing with him, most of all because he had the law on his side, so I just pushed a 20 Mill TL note across the counter and said "Will this rectify the problem?" His eyes lit up and nothing more was heard on the subject. The price for the room was 55 mill TL. Unlike in Seranda, I wasn't given any time limit so I'm assuming that I could have stayed there the whole night.

Anyways, we went up with a hotel clerk and he showed us to our room. Got in, and hey, not bad at all; clean, well lit, relatively spacious rooms, I've stayed in worse places during vacations and business trips. Well, just like last time we went at it and it was a lot of fun. I'm not going to go into all of the gory details, suffice to say that Jenia provides an excellent GFE.

After our first go round, I heard a strange message coming from my cellphone. Jenia said"you've got an e-mail message coming." I thought, who the heck can that be? Well blow me down, it was all in Turkish but I could see two words and times that I understood: Chicago and Imperator. I gave the cell to Jenia to see if she could make out the message. Se said that it was from some girl and it said that that she would be at the Chicago disco until midnight and afterwards at the Imperator disco. Allya, I thought, oh well, I tried but I think I'll pass.

After that, we got it on again. After two times, I felt satisfied and we decided to call it a day. Hahaha, Yavuz knows this but Jenia is real good looker and it's always a treat to walk with her down the street to see men's reaction. This time, as we walked across the street from McDonald's towards Irmak, I saw this old gent almost break his neck following Jenia. I then observed him do a u turn and begin following us. As I hailed a taxi and kissed Jenia goodbye he was still following and began calling out to Jenia but she wasn't paying him any attention. Eventually, he resorted to clapping his hands to see if he could get her attention. It was really quite funny actually.

P.S.: Yavuz, I met with Jenia one last time before I left. This, not to have sex, but just to talk and to give her some of the toiletries that she liked from my hotel. She told me that she probably won't be in Turkey too much longer because her divorce to her Turkish "husband" has just become final. Enjoy her while she's around.

Another little secret for all those who are unaware-- don't be ever mislead by the passport ages, especially if a girl is showing it explicitly to you.

It's quite possible and common in Moldova, Russia and especially Ukraine for a girl to arrange a new passport with any birthdate.

It's also. very common in the modelling and fashion business.

I know some girls from Ukraine and Russia who've been to model agencies in Paris and Milano with passports showing theey're 18 years old, whereas in fact they were 9-10 years older.

No way to distinguish..

Vegamars,

What you say is absolutely true, I meet one girst from Romania who said was 22, and had a passport saying she is 22.

Once she left her purse in my apartment and checked her id, she was actually 17 and with a completely different name, birth town, etc.

After I told her about my finding, she explained that for about 50euros they can get as many passports as they want and if they become GF of one official issuing the passports its even free of charge.

I guess is the same for all Easter E countries.

Crazy

1. If you are not gone exchange numbers please Do not send PM to ask numbers.

2. Still I can not contact Simge, when I talked to her I will post the number.

3. Vegamars is right there are lots of girls looking really young but most of them are older than they look. Last week I met a girl from Ukraine, she looked 20 or 21, but she was 29 and have a kid.

4. NEVER EVER have sex without condom, you have no idea who she slept before you. There are hundreds of guys, their pockets full of money and they do not care their and others life.

5. If you have enough cash nothing is impossible in Ukraine and Russia. Buying passports or have sex with 17 years old girls(not for me, she suppose to be at least 20)

Be safe have fun,

AJ