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04-10-12 13:40 #17515I go to other countries for healthcare where there have been very good outcomes and good prices, sure as hell don't go to a healthcare provider in the USA. Provision of public healthcare is all about profits, if one wants to exploit a country a big way is to manipulate the cost of medicine. Then you got the people by the throats. IT has nothing to do with freedom.
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04-10-12 12:36 #17514So I assume you will not ever be drawing Social Security and never will use Medicare? Because those are both "socialist" style programs. Originally Posted by Harold444
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04-10-12 12:32 #17513very well stated. americans pay lots of taxes and that becomes even more when you look at the outrageous health ins premiums paid. and again, private insurance because provide no health care. they simply market and profit. there is no sense in it. americans get nothing for their taxes except a bloated military and an out of control criminal justice system. want to talk about freedom then talk about rolling the clock back on the justice system to pre-rico days and releasing all non-violent drug offender, oh, and ending all foreign wars, foreign aid, and closing all overseas bases! Originally Posted by littlebigman
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04-10-12 12:28 #17512Freedom = Not having to worry about financial ruin if you get ill. Originally Posted by Harold444
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Freedom = Not having to enter the workforce 100k in debt with student loans.
Freedom = Knowing that you will have 4 weeks vacation a year.
Freedom = Knowing that your retirement is rock solid.
Freedom = Knowing that if your employer lays you off (normally to increase shareholder profits) that you will not be ruined.
That my friend IS FREEDOM!
It is not about socialism. It is about providing health care. I suppose you consider OZ a mecca of socialism since they have a public health care system? Obama is FAR from a socialist.
The large corps already have the population of the US by the throats.
World leader used to come to the US. The rest of the world has caught up.
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04-10-12 11:41 #17511
It's 4 AM and my ride to Chicago O'Hare Airport is arriving in exactly 1 hour. You know where I'm going otherwise I wouldn't be writing this. This will be my 4th trip to Thailand marking this airport taxi as a ride I surely would not want to miss. I have all the essentials of a 2-week millionaire dispersed across my bed with an empty suitcase in the middle soon to be filled with said essentials. Packing my suitcase is the last remaining obstacle between me and another episode of LOS. My process becomes interrupted though when I feel a lump in the front pocket of my suitcase as I pick it up to load it. Curious I stick my hand in the offending pocket to see what it is. I haven't touched this suitcase since I unpacked it from my last trip to Thailand 7 months ago. I reach in and pull out two objects and study them. I never use the front pockets of my suitcase and I don't smoke so why was it that I had in my hand a half full pack of cigarettes and a pink lighter. The pack was silver and green in color and was a bit wrinkled and compressed. It had Thai script written across the front and down the sides. The pink lighter was. Well. It was pink. I pull out one of the cigarettes and smell it. More so as a memory jogger than for any other reason. Muted tones of menthol. It had the intended effect. It was mental chloroform as my memory laid down a path to the only possible explanation. It was about 7 months ago.
Her name was 'Lek. ' She table danced at Mandarin in Nana. She was #xx. I typically can never recall both the name and badge number of a girl but I remember both for Lek quite clearly for reasons I'm about to disclose. I had just landed in Bangkok and decided to go to Mandarin in Nana because it's always what I do first when arriving to Thailand. I wasn't looking for anything in particular but she possessed everything that I had in mind. Most of the dancers 'Bangkok shuffled. ' Some seizured themselves around their poles occasionally hitting a beat by sheer accident. Not Lek. She danced in the middle of all this in a way that contrasted the other dancers but complemented her personality perfectly (I would come to find out later). Their uniforms were short, see-through, slightly flared skirts with sub-micro bikini tops. Perversely high heels with sliver ribbon straps that criss crossed up the calf and then tied right below the front of the knee. With a petite and tight body, Lek wore this uniform as she slow-motion swiveled her hips. She held on tightly to her pole with her arms extended, keeping her extremely high heels near the base of the pole, as she moved her hips in rhythmic, geometrically sound, concentric circles. Moving slowly towards the ground and then back up again. She kept the same pace and pattern no matter the music. Slow or fast, techno or mellow; she always sensually spiraled at the same rhythm while making half song revolutions around the pole. She paid attention to no-one. Not the other girls, not the music, not even the customers it seemed. She only looked at herself and would slowly run her hand from her hair to her cheek then down between her breasts then slowly across her mid-section whenever her half song revolutions had her facing the wall length mirror nearest her pole. She wore her hair in an untypically short bob style with one of her eyes completely covered and the other partially covered so it was really hard to tell what she was seeing in the mirror. Everyone else was in the Mandarin club in Nana. Who knows what world she was in. I paid the bar fine to see what the weather was like where she was.
I usually make 2 big mistakes on my first night in Bangkok. I got the first one out of the way when I asked a tuktuk driver at the Nana entrance to take us to a place that had good Thai food. Me overcharged and him over-commissioned I'm sure for the place that he took us to. While eating the overpriced food, Lek gave me a quick rundown of her story. She spoke quietly. She looked not as good but still great in her street clothes. One eye fully covered and the other partially covered by her hair. Age 26. She had worked at an a go-go for a couple of years a few years before. An eventual drug problem while dancing before had her sister and a farang sponsor helping her off the drugs and out of the go-go. She came back to dancing again just 6 months ago. She's been off the drugs for 2 years now. I took it all in because I always find these mini bios intriguing for some reason. With me having just landed from a 24 hour journey I suggested that we go back to my room at the Dynasty Grand. She had an opposing suggestion which was also the better one. We went to Foodland to purchase a large bottle of whiskey and a large bottle of soda to be mixed and consumed in my room. She led to me to the whiskey and I chose. She then led me to the cash register and I paid. She added a silver and green pack of cigarettes with Thai script on the front and down the sides, as well as a pink lighter, as the cashier was ringing us out.
Back in my room we toasted to the pure random occurrence that sponsored us meeting like this. We proceeded to Polish off about half of each bottle. She would pause after each glass in order to light up and smoke a cigarette from the silver and green pack I had just purchased for her. She had to do it out in hall, blowing the smoke out of an emergency exit door, as my room was non smoking. After the drinking and smoking were done we checked off the last item. She performed exactly as she danced. Before she left I gave her the remaining whiskey as a tip and as a thank you. Not so much for the service but for not taking advantage of the 2nd of my 2 mistakes that night. I had allowed her to mix my whiskey and soda unsupervised. I thanked her for not drugging and robbing me.
The next day was quite uneventful. A double soapy, a short time, and then the rest of the afternoon catching up with past acquaintances at Big Dogs. My intention was not to barfine Lek again but there I was that evening at the Mandarin with Lek curled up in my lap as quietly sexy as could be. We both watched, transfixed on Som as she danced for us on our table. 19-year old Som pranced and danced on the stage with enthusiasm I don't see much anymore. She humped the stage, the pole, the waitresses, and the customers. Nothing was safe within a 4-foot range of her performance. Lek said that I should barfine Som so I did. While in the process of placing my order with the mamasan I decided to go double or nothing. To Lek's partial surprise I barfined her again as well and left with two of Nana's finest.
We passed a young-looking, middle aged Thai man once we got off the escalator to the ground floor of Nana. Som spent some minutes talking with this man as Lek and I stood by in a holding pattern. The Thai man gave me a thumbs up as he finished up his conversation with Som. I assumed it was Som's Thai boyfriend and I asked her as such. Turns out the guy was actually her father! They used to work at the same go-go where he was the DJ and she was a dancer. A featured dancer at that. He would occasionally buy her drinks and watch her go off with customers nightly. They now work at separate gogo clubs but they often see each other in passing in Nana. He would often drink with her and her customers when they run in to each other but he had to go and was unable to join us. Even Lek had to take a minute to process that one.
Good thing I had two girls though. First reason being that Som was nearly lights out drunk by the time we go back to the hotel after hitting up a few bars. Lek came in handy when it came to assisting Som back to the Dynasty Grand. Lek was also a bit motherly (her being 26 to Som's 19) when it came to making sure that Som was ok and would provide the proper professional customer service that was expected of them both. It turns out that Som had been to this hotel before. Last time she was here she was paid 10, 000 baht as the customer professionally filmed their encounter for website purposes. This piece of information caught Lek a bit off guard for some reason. Like she was finally getting the know the girl she'd been dancing next to for months at Mandarin.
Lek and Som both wanted to smoke so out came the same silver and green pack of cigarettes and pink lighter. Rather than smoke out in the hallway as Lek did before they opted to smoke out of the open windows in my hotel room. While leaning out the window, Som noticed a naked Thai girl in the bedroom window across the way. The naked girl sat on the edge of the hotel bed in her room and brushed her hair while watching television. All 3 of us watching as a customer entered into view, standing in front of the girl wearing nothing but a towel wrapped around his waist. Before I knew it the towel had dropped and the Thai girl in the window on the edge of the bed started to do some "smoking" of her own. Time for me to exit left. I retired back to the bed as Lek and Som stayed at the window and enjoyed the command performance going on across the way. I was actually enjoying my view as well. Each girl in my room was on her tiptoes leering out the window. They were both wearing the shortest shorts this side of the Mekong. It was a close competition to see whose shorts were shorter. An intense rivalry. Lek's blue denim shorts vs. Som's black denim shorts. It was Red Sox vs. Yankees, Brazil vs. Argentina, All Blacks vs. Wallabies. I was the obvious winner. I sat back and surveyed the scene as if casually contemplating a Monet and a Manet in the Louvre. Two disparate words that I never would have paired together came to mind;"butt, cleavage."
Being that Som was apparently an internet sensation, her and Lek switched positions so to speak. Som became the mentor as Lek had never been with another girl before. No one at a time while the other waited in the bathroom on this one. Som directed while Lek listened and dove in head first. Eventually Som went from director to doing some heavy lifting as well as she posed us and constructed scenes that we played out through the night. Som was still a bit tipsy so she reverted to only speaking Thai while Lek translated her directions and such. When it came to describing Som two more disparate words came to mind that I never would have paired together before this moment;"sexual, prodigy."
It was a short time so the moment came when I held up my end of the bargain with some baht for services rendered plus tip. As a final farewell I watched those two walk down the hall to the elevators. I just couldn't resist. Had I been paying more attention to their possessions rather than their assets I would have noticed that Lek no longer had her silver and green pack of cigarettes and pink lighter.
No mobile numbers or emails were exchanged. So there were no text messages of 'I miss you. ' No emails of 'I love you' upon my eventual return home but Lek had secretly placed these two objects in the front pocket of my suitcase before leaving my room that night. The silver and green pack of cigarettes and pink lighter were her retainer. Nothing overt to keep me on Lek's hook upon my return home but I found that these objects retained my thoughts of our night together thereby retaining my thoughts of her. Playing within the bars and gogos can be like being in a candy store where the only condition is you can only keep what you can retain in your memory.
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04-10-12 07:09 #17510in all due respect, world leaders who come to the usa for healthcare is a small percentage i doubt if it is 1% of the overall people who need healthcare in usa and those world leaders can afford it because their citizens are paying for it. your remarks basically confirms what one of the complaints about our healthcare system is turning into. for those who can afford it! and those who stand before the t. v. like so many in the tea party say " i like the system the way it is don't pay the full amount for their their insurance their employer does whoever that might be? there is a very small percentage of the population that can pay the full premium themselves a basic medical policy for a individual in california will run you $700. 00 per month and that gives you a indication what it would cost for a family? Originally Posted by harold444
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i don't want you or anyone to loose their freedom, but the issue of socialism and healthcare personally is being sold to scare people. if they were to socialize water, electricity, gas, food so that everyone would be able to afford it would you feel you have lost their freedom? i in no way agree that the current pass healthcare by obama is perfect, in fact i believe he screwed it all up! but the way our system is going now and the rising cost put it out of reach for millions and will eventually put it out of reach for you!
all many americans are asking like myself, is if every country system is so bad, and we don't want socialize medicine then with all the suppose brain power of knowledge and greatness of america why have we been fighting and giving lip service instead come up with a plan to cover to make everyone happy including retaining your freedom! instead we have been debating and fighting amount ourselves which gets to my point! this is the way our politicians want it harold444, so things don't change! what is the point of having freedom? if you are a citizen of the usa pay taxes your whole life and in a blink of a eye you loose everything because of a illness laying in the street homeless while every country in the world is getting a hand out and entitlements who have never made a contribution? please harold444 if that was you how would freedom taste then while you lay in your own [CodeWord109]? if socialize medicine isn't the answer please give me something other than you are scare of loosing your freedom?
lbm
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04-10-12 06:15 #17509
Where's a good place to take a lady for 10-30 minutes or so of DFK? Apart from one's hotel room or a ST hotel. But a bar, restaurant, outdoor location, etc, that is fairly dark and / or private.
Could this attract the attention of the kissing police? Is it illegal or just frowned upon in BKK? Would a P4P TG be too shy to do this in public? Maybe a poorly lit spot in NEP, Soi Cowboy or Giotto's lodge? Or a taxi cab or limo?
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04-09-12 18:22 #17508
Fabulous lady
Hi, BJ here (again!)
I had a business meeting recently and the person I was meeting insisted on meeting at Spanky's in Nana (odd place to try and discuss business I know but that's what they wanted). There is a fine young lady there who I met in the Pattaya branch when I was down there for a Christmas party back in December. On that occasion the demon alcohol caught me out and as soon as the condom went on it was all over. I have taken her out of Nana a few times which has made the rest of the girls very reluctant to entertain me, I'm sure most of you are familiar with this phenomenon. No need to panic if I fancy a change I'm not exactly bereft of choice for other bars.
The discussions were wrapped up in about an hour and the lady in question had ceased dancing when I went in and had been grinning next to me the whole time (in case anyone is under the misconception I'm on some kind of peter string-fellow swaray again, name dropping myself everywhere I go, the lady has no idea who I am or what I do. In fact I prefer to remain anonymous as much as possible). Something I have learned from other business owners and through my own experiences.
The lady is, IMO, very good looking, although may not appeal to all. She is about 5 feet 2' tall has a sort of dyed blonde bob hair cut, enhanced breasts which look fabulous all the same, a tiny waist and a fabulous arse, other aspects which are fabulous and some other fabulous things about her. Did I remember to mention I think she is fabulous? Do not panic the good doctor is not about to get married and move to Chiang Mai with a fabulous young lady named Tic.
After getting back to my place and showering. I was reminded of the only down side to her, she does not do BBBJ she insists on a condom being used. However the compensating determination in her technique does make up for the condom being used, added to this I never try to strongly persuade / bribe these girls into doing anything they are not comfortable with. As some will remember I always start with the lady on top to get me warmed up and I have to say she was no star fish, she was very enthusiastic. Doggy was the next one and I grabbed her buttocks and pushed them apart until the red tea towel holder was winking up at me. I was in full swing now and smashed her for a good 5 minutes. At my age I was a bit tired by now so I whipped her over and united her ankles with her ears. She increased her moaning, real or not was not a paramount concern for me. A few minutes later and I blew my load, NICE!
To my horror when I took my wallet out I was 200 short. I really couldn't be bothered putting clothes on and going to an ATM so I promised her I would drop it off the following evening, because It wasn't the first time I had taken her out she agreed, kissed me on the cheek and told me I was very good (yeah, yeah I bet I'm the first guy you said that too). True to my word I went back to the bar and paid the lady what I owed her plus a tip at 8:30 as agreed. I had to hurry out of the bar as I was expecting a call from a nice young lady who had come up to stay with me for the three days I decided to take off work. Sure enough as soon as I walked out of the Plaza my phone rang and I took a deep breath and arranged to meet this lady in the beer Garden in Soi 7. I am planning to go to Pattaya for Songkram and will be meeting up with her so will post my experiences in due course.
In short Spanky's is a great bar which I highly recommend to everyone and Tik is a fantastic lady who I would urge anyone to try out (she has 4 tattoo's on her upper back area, see front of post for other identifying features).
Regards BJ
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04-09-12 17:24 #17507
Milk the tit, military lifers. The most entitlement bunch there is, when the entitlement is all for themselves. And, they're anti-communist, too. Without irony.
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04-09-12 11:54 #17506Goatscrot, Originally Posted by Goatscrot
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Easy on the King of Jomtien! You got to know that Daddy07 is from the Joe MacCarthy era plus he is from the Midwest! Until a few years ago he thought we Asian all look alike too? He use to go to work with a Tin Can cowboy hat and a pair of snake skin booths? Each greeting went like this Howdy Daddy!
See many Americans put off health care because they take this attitude that it is a free world and its my body! Don't want anyone or the country to tell them what to do! My older brother was such a person today he lays in a military long term hospital with throat and lung cancer waiting to die given up! Two years ago his doctor at the Veterans hospital suggested he go and have a check and it was free all he had to do was go in the next room and if he had done that things would certainly be different instead he said why " fix something that isn't broken ". Today I'm sure he thinks about that day?
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04-09-12 09:04 #17505
Poseidon
Hi,
Visited Poseidon Friday, only 8 WG left in fish bowl due to Songkran, mostly from Issan. Below is my mongering report:
Name : Dunno.
Boob : C Cup.
Height : 4'11"
Duration : 2 hours.
Attractiveness : 7/10.
BJ : 5/10.
HJ :/10 enthuaistic.
Rimming : None given, dunno how to ask. Cannot speak Thai.
GFE : 6/10.
Overall : 6/10.
Cost : 2500 baht up front, plus 100baht for the ice latte she ordered.
Remark : constantly pestering for tip.
Choose WG from fish bowl, they sat under pink light which make them more alluring. The fish bowl at second floor, battleground on 6th floor. Once in room, she switch on warm water for bath tub 4 ft x 8 ft. Man sit with leg spread on her lap, she use hand / boob to massage little brother. She wash everywhere from toe to neck. The back washing and massage is nice.
After bath dried up and proceed to bed. Start with leg, nipple, armpit, ball licking. Then BJ and cow girl, end with missionary. There are still 30 minutes after the deed, so she massage me again for the remaining 30 minutes.
Pussy loose for such a small lady. Apart from the constant request fro tips, overall good experience.
Macrot out
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04-09-12 08:49 #17504And believe it or not, health care outcomes in Cuba tend to be amazing. More Drs per-capita than anyplace else in the world. Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo
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04-09-12 08:47 #17503Again, we are not talking about communism here. I can only think of two states that would be considered "communist" in this day and age, North Korea and Cuba. The rest of the world's govs are a blend of market capitalism and socialistic elements. Social Security is a "socialist" construct as well. Using the word "commie" sounds quite 1950s Red Scarish. It is really not a valid term in this discussion as we are not talking about gov ownership of the means of production. Originally Posted by Daddy07
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The issue is how to provide the best health care outcomes we can with minimal cost to a large population. Most of the developed world uses a blend of public and private to deliver this care. A blending of these two elements seems to give the best outcomes and tends to be more cost efficient for all involved. Of course commons sense and statistics will tell you this. The US has poorer outcomes and a lower lifespan than most countries with fully developed public systems. One of the reasons is that most public systems stress primary care and prevention as one way to take the burden off the system. In the US this is not seen as people put off going to the Dr until they are VERY ill due to costs. Also a marketing costs and profits are not seen with the admin end of a public system either. In the US Medicare's admin costs are 15, well below that of private insurance companies. The more you spend on admin costs, the less you see going towards patient care.
This is not a matter of "free market" vs "commie (the term in 2012 still makes me laugh)," it is about outcomes and cost and looking at systems in developed countries around the world, the US comes in at the bottom of the list. It is time to look at see what works and emulate it, not try to force in a system based on some silly dogma.
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04-09-12 07:48 #17502 Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo
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Not even Australia has a "free market" healthcare.
As found in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Australia
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Health care in Australia is provided by both private and government institutions. The Minister for Health and Ageing, currently Tanya Plibersek, administers national health policy, elements of which (such as the operation of hospitals) are overseen by individual states.
In Australia the current system, known as Medicare, was instituted in 1984. It coexists with a private health system. Medicare is funded partly by a 1. 5% income tax levy (with exceptions for low-income earners) , but mostly out of general revenue. An additional levy of 1% is imposed on high-income earners without private health insurance. As well as Medicare, there is a separate Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme that considerably subsidises a range of prescription medications. In 2007-08, Australia spent 9. 1% of GDP on health care, or A$4874 per capita.
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Unless there is a levy on "better off" people, it is impossible to have universal healthcare. None of the private insurance companies will "solidarize" their income to help the poor and the "bad" risks will not find insurance for any reasonable price.
Wait until you get a heart condition or a chronic disease and see how fast your insurance company either drops you or increases your rates. See, if you can then still laud the benefits of the free market.
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04-09-12 06:59 #17501Australia and healthcare to the first part of your question, and I don't know any commie environment where everyone is prospering (or capatilist for that matter) for the second part of your question. Originally Posted by Daddy07
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