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[Mr Enternational]

What do you want? You know that when you pay a woman for sex, you're paying a prostitute.

Yes. I know damn well that I am paying a prostitute for sex. But it seems that even professional mongers on this board can not admit that as a fact. They want to call it semantics and whatever else. They seem to be just "helping" women who need to feed their family, which just happens to be the reason that everyone goes to any type of job.

[JjBee62]

Okay. Skip the bullshit. Can anyone here tell me where I can find prostitutes in the DR? From what I am hearing it appears there are none.

And Frannie you are absolutely incorrect. Everytime I cross the border from Tijuana into the USA and the immigration agent asks what I was doing in Mexico, I tell them that I was there fucking them hoes. And I think Tomjackin can attest to that. Nobody bats an eye because they really don't give a shit.

What do you want? You know that when you pay a woman for sex, you're paying a prostitute. She probably knows, at least on some level, what she is doing is prostitution, no matter how she rationalizes it.

Is the sex going to be better if you first get her to admit to being a prostitute? No. You'll be lucky if the sex happens at all. Will her life somehow be improved by admitting she's a prostitute? No. Her probably already low self-esteem will just get lower. Will your life be somehow improved by getting some girl to face the fact she is nothing more than a puta in your eyes? No.

So what is the purpose? Every person on ISG knows all these women, all over the world, are engaging in prostitution. That's why we go to places where you can't drink the water, to find cheap and enthusiastic prostitutes. Unless you're on a mission to get all the prostitutes to stop having sex with tourists for money, why belittle them with the facts?

[Lefeu]

Many of the women selling their bodies do it from necessity. I try to treat them fairly, and with a modicum of respect. I feel no need to "rub their noses in it" and rob them of whatever shred of dignity they may cling to, even if just in their own mind.

Fully agree, no working girls would be doing this if they were well off financially (or very few would). These women are usually meeting a need in their lives and we ought to respect that.

[Yanqui69]

Okay. Skip the bullshit. Can anyone here tell me where I can find prostitutes in the DR? From what I am hearing it appears there are none.

And Frannie you are absolutely incorrect. Everytime I cross the border from Tijuana into the USA and the immigration agent asks what I was doing in Mexico, I tell them that I was there fucking them hoes. And I think Tomjackin can attest to that. Nobody bats an eye because they really don't give a shit.

Mr. E, you know very well the answer to that. All some of the posters were saying is that some of the chicas try to rationalize what they do, trying to spare themselves a little humiliation, and salvage a little dignity in their own mind. None would brag of what they do to their family or children.

All anyone is saying is, allow them their illusions. Let them call themselves whatever they like. It won't affect your experience or the price.

In a practical sense, when you treat a woman like a "ho," you get the performance of a "ho. " Treat her with a little respect (even if insincere) and many respond in kind.

So, nobody is arguing over reality, just saying let them have their illusion.

[Mr Enternational]

Okay. Skip the bullshit. Can anyone here tell me where I can find prostitutes in the DR? From what I am hearing it appears there are none.

And Frannie you are absolutely incorrect. Everytime I cross the border from Tijuana into the USA and the immigration agent asks what I was doing in Mexico, I tell them that I was there fucking them hoes. And I think Tomjackin can attest to that. Nobody bats an eye because they really don't give a shit.

[Yanqui69]

I am sorry but what has this to do with gringos? Would a chick in North America be acknowledging positively, indeed would such a conversation take place at all if not ending up with a slap on the face elsewhere?

No disrespect to anyone but Frannie's point is the most germane one. How many of us here are willing to let others label us (including those on are&are around the world) "johns"? After all, if prostitution were to be such a morally (and socially) acceptable vocation / avocation, not only the women but the partners in crime should be equally pleased to be called a "john". I do not see that though, does anyone? The initial line of question has everything to do with male vanity, gloating and with trying to put down a woman, who is already down.

I could possibly have just said MEN, not just gringos. My point was that most on the board would say, "she accepted money, she's a (pick your word)", whereas the woman (in this case, Dominicana) rationalizes that she is not a (word) that she is only a woman getting money for her kids. That it is something she has to go to get by, not what she IS.

Interesting note on male vanity. If she accepts money for sex, she's a "worthless ho" in some minds, but if she gives it away, she's somehow a little higher on the scale?

The woman's rationalization allows her to retain some dignity or self worth.

On this topic: An anecdote often attributed to Oscar Wilde, but source is really unknown:

A man asked a woman, "Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?" The woman replied, "I suppose I would. " The man then asked, "Would you sleep with me for ten dollars?

The woman said, "Of course not! What do you think I am?" The man replied, "Madam, we have determined what you are, now we are just haggling over price. ".

Many of the women selling their bodies do it from necessity. I try to treat them fairly, and with a modicum of respect. I feel no need to "rub their noses in it" and rob them of whatever shred of dignity they may cling to, even if just in their own mind.

[Frannie]

I do not know why you are calling it my definition. I have done many things, but write a dictionary has never been one of them. The definition is a common and conventional one throughout the planet. Again, if you choose to call something differently that damn near every person on the planet calls something else then most people probably will not know what you are talking about and it would defeat the purpose of having common language. This is from dictionarydotcom, not dictionary of mrenternational. Feel free to write and notify them of the exceptions to this definition.

But I would like to ask, since we can not agree on a prostitute being a woman who accepts money in exchange for sex, what exactly is a prostitute?

There is no confusion. These women are prostitutes, and you are a John. However what people are saying is that getting into discussion with Dominican women about the semantics of terms like prostituta and puta is not very helpful as these terms are seen as pejorative, and most likely they will be resentful and / or not given you completely frank answers. If you were asked by immigration when entering the US what was your occupation and the purpose of your trip, you probably would not say that you are a john and the main purpose of your trip was to pay prostitutes for sex and to introduce other family members to the same.

If you feel a need to discuss the semantics of prostitution and related terms, then you would probably learn more from joining an online forum for linguists and etymologists.

But I would like to ask, since we can not agree on a prostitute being a woman who accepts money in exchange for sex, what exactly is a prostitute?

You cannot even get this right. A prostitute is a woman OR a man who engages in sex for money. However even this definition is shaky, as it may not include people who perform in porn movies for money. Really "prostitute" is more of a legal term and as such it is defined in the statutes of various jurisdictions in various different ways which could vary a lot. For example if a woman gives a man a lap dance, is she engaging in accepting money in exchange for sex? Or if she is a massage therapist who gives a hand job? Different legislatures will have different interpretations.

[Mr Enternational]

By your strict definition, just about all women could be called hookers,

I do not know why you are calling it my definition. I have done many things, but write a dictionary has never been one of them. The definition is a common and conventional one throughout the planet. Again, if you choose to call something differently that damn near every person on the planet calls something else then most people probably will not know what you are talking about and it would defeat the purpose of having common language. This is from dictionarydotcom, not dictionary of mrenternational. Feel free to write and notify them of the exceptions to this definition.

But I would like to ask, since we can not agree on a prostitute being a woman who accepts money in exchange for sex, what exactly is a prostitute?

[Riky Rapido]

What the fuck do these chicks think a prostitute is?

I went through this big to do the other day with this chick that I fuck who lives in Bonao. A while back she was asking for money and I told her no. I said I am not sending you any money, but whenever we fuck I will give you 1000 pesos. She agreed. So that is the deal we have been working under. The other day I was telling her to tell me she is my puta. She said no I am not a prostitute because prostitutes have a lot of money.

I said WHAT! Are you aware that there are many prostitutes in Sosua and Boca Chica? She said yes. I said and you mean to tell me that they have a lot of money? She said no, but I do not go with men like that. The only person that I have sex with for money is you. She claims she has only been with 3 people in her life. I said but it is irrevelant how many people you do it with. If you have sex for money with 1 person or 100 people you are exchaging sex for money which is the definition of a prostitute.

She said but I only do it because I need money for my son. Uhh it is irrelevant the reason that you are doing it. It only matters that you are doing it for the definition to be fullfilled. I asked so we could have sex and me not give you 1000 pesos? She said no. I said exactly. The same as La Sirena is a store. You go there and they give you something and you give them money. If you do not give them money then you can not get anything. The reason they are called a store is because they exchange goods for money, the same as a prostitute exchanges sex for money.

Now I just met another chick online right this minute who had a picture of her in the mirror of a hotel bathroom. The first message I sent her said you are at the resort or hotel with your boyfriend in the picture huh? She said I don't have a boyfriend. Yo me busco me dinero En LOS hoteles soy madre soltera why tengo q mantener amis hijo ok. (I look for money in the hotels. I am a single mother and I have to take care of my kids.).

I said ahh so you are a prostitute? She said Eso no es prostituciand siempre why cuando sea para pagarle el cole a mi hijo la manutenciand de mis hijo (That is not always prostitution when I use the money to take care of my children.).

I said yes, if you go to the hotel with men in order to exchange sex for money, that is prostitution. I have not heard back from her after that.

So what the hell do these women think prostitution is? Obviously they believe when they are doing it, it is not called that.

And when I send a cover letter, in this letter I ask them forthright, would you spend a night with me. Maybe one out of 10 will write back " I am not a prostitute". My reply always is this: I hate the 'P' word. Then I explain to them that I find these two words, prostitute and puta, disturbing because most women here work jobs that barely pay subsistence, most women here have children and little or no support from the fathers, and without work, how is a woman to survive? That usually gets a positive response and they want to meet me, then we talk about money. I know at this moment a beautiful chica from a brothel, who just had another kid. Said the condom broke. No workers comp here. Now she needs to go back to 'work'. Her body may be ruined by a see-section. What's a lady to do? So, don't use either one of these words in front of these women who are trying to salvage their dignity. They live in a desperate world. You can help them and get a return from your investment. Simple.

[SubCmdr]

The other day I was telling her to tell me she is my puta. She said no I am not a prostitute because prostitutes have a lot of money.
The only person that I have sex with for money is you.

The first message I sent her said you are at the resort or hotel with your boyfriend in the picture huh? She said I don't have a boyfriend. Yo me busco me dinero En LOS hoteles soy madre soltera why tengo q mantener amis hijo ok. (I look for money in the hotels. I am a single mother and I have to take care of my kids.). I said ahh so you are a prostitute? She said Eso no es prostituciand siempre why cuando sea para pagarle el cole a mi hijo la manutenciand de mis hijo (That is not always prostitution when I use the money to take care of my children.). I said yes, if you go to the hotel with men in order to exchange sex for money, that is prostitution.

Mr. E stated things pretty clearly. In the first part of his post I'm presuming he was not having a cold rational conversation because he was sexting or in heat of the action talking dirty. Either way there was no reason for her to take issue with him. It's her problem. The fact that she has not made peace with her activities is not his concern. In the second example, she described her activities and he asked a confirming question to make sure he understood. Her reaction indicates a person that is uncomfortable with their own activities.

He's on point with his definition. It does not sound to me like Mr. E is treating all women as prostitutes.

[Oakie]

The thing is that the definition (or label as you have put it - same thing) of each is objective, not subjective. (There is no footnote in the dictionary under prostitute that says well if a person is doing this for reason A, B, or C or does it due to living in this particular place, then this definition does not fit; instead see the definition for x.) We can actually point out certain characteristics and say this is what it is.

If a mf came out of an egg, has feathers, and walks around with webbed feet and quacks, then it would be defined as or labeled as a duck, no matter how bad it or someone else wanted it to be called a tree instead because it liked hip-hop music or because its mother was eaten by a snake.

The same as if I purchase the services of a prostitute then by definition I AM a trick or a john. There is no rationalizing a definition because of the way you feel about it. Now I could be a trick with a good heart who just wants to help out those less fortunate. Or I could be a trick because my heart was broken by a woman before. Or I could be a trick simply because I like tricking off. But by definition I am still a trick, independent of the reason I am doing it or how I feel about being defined as one.

They tape a label that says green beans on a can of green beans because there are green beans inside. Now if you want to open them up and say well these are "special" green beans, not the same as the regular ones back home, and call them something else, well... Any sane person is going to walk up and say, "Hey. You are eating green beans!" But you are going to try to explain to the person why what he or she is seeing you eat are not actually green beans, despite the label on the can and what everyone else knows a green bean to be.

There's a little more subtlety to life than that.

My local supermarket has almost a whole aisle, devoted to canned beans of every size and color you can imagine.

By your strict definition, just about all women could be called hookers, including our mothers, wives, and of age daughters.

At one time or another all have been treated to a meal, taken to a show, been given gifts and gold (jewelry, rings etc) by a male.

Painting them all with same brush would make a woman who accepts flowers, no better than a streetwalker, and your daughter's prom date, no better than a third world exploiting monger.

It's the old "We know what you are, we are just arguing over price"!

Treating all women as hookers, will get you laid in a brothel like Sosua, but will pose any number of problems in a normal mature sexual relationship.

Good luck!

[Mr Enternational]

I am sorry but what has this to do with gringos? Would a chick in North America be acknowledging positively, indeed would such a conversation take place at all if not ending up with a slap on the face elsewhere?

No disrespect to anyone but Frannie's point is the most germane one. How many of us here are willing to let others label us (including those on are&are around the world) "johns"? After all, if prostitution were to be such a morally (and socially) acceptable vocation / avocation, not only the women but the partners in crime should be equally pleased to be called a "john". I do not see that though, does anyone? The initial line of question has everything to do with male vanity, gloating and with trying to put down a woman, who is already down.

The thing is that the definition (or label as you have put it - same thing) of each is objective, not subjective. (There is no footnote in the dictionary under prostitute that says well if a person is doing this for reason A, B, or C or does it due to living in this particular place, then this definition does not fit; instead see the definition for x.) We can actually point out certain characteristics and say this is what it is.

If a mf came out of an egg, has feathers, and walks around with webbed feet and quacks, then it would be defined as or labeled as a duck, no matter how bad it or someone else wanted it to be called a tree instead because it liked hip-hop music or because its mother was eaten by a snake.

The same as if I purchase the services of a prostitute then by definition I AM a trick or a john. There is no rationalizing a definition because of the way you feel about it. Now I could be a trick with a good heart who just wants to help out those less fortunate. Or I could be a trick because my heart was broken by a woman before. Or I could be a trick simply because I like tricking off. But by definition I am still a trick, independent of the reason I am doing it or how I feel about being defined as one.

They tape a label that says green beans on a can of green beans because there are green beans inside. Now if you want to open them up and say well these are "special" green beans, not the same as the regular ones back home, and call them something else, well... Any sane person is going to walk up and say, "Hey. You are eating green beans!" But you are going to try to explain to the person why what he or she is seeing you eat are not actually green beans, despite the label on the can and what everyone else knows a green bean to be.

[Tempoecorto]

In a purely rational sense, it makes no sense to us gringos, but its a form of rationalization.

I am sorry but what has this to do with gringos? Would a chick in North America be acknowledging positively, indeed would such a conversation take place at all if not ending up with a slap on the face elsewhere?

No disrespect to anyone but Frannie's point is the most germane one. How many of us here are willing to let others label us (including those on are&are around the world) "johns"? After all, if prostitution were to be such a morally (and socially) acceptable vocation / avocation, not only the women but the partners in crime should be equally pleased to be called a "john". I do not see that though, does anyone? The initial line of question has everything to do with male vanity, gloating and with trying to put down a woman, who is already down.

[SubCmdr]

What the fuck do these chicks think a prostitute is? If you have sex for money with 1 person or 100 people you are exchanging sex for money which is the definition of a prostitute. So what the hell do these women think prostitution is? Obviously they believe when they are doing it, it is not called that.

You pretty much hit this nail right on the head. To say it's something else is simply self-rationalization. We know the ability of individuals to self rationalize is infinite. I think you are dealing with the difference of what society approves as opposed as what is legal. Anecdotal evidence has been presented on this board that prostitution is legal in the Dominican Republic but it is not approved. And it's unlikely to ever be approved outside of the circles that engage in it.

Chicks exchange sex for money, goods and services all the time for a ST, TLN, week, month, year, or lifetime. Societal approval is provided for the length of time and type of relationship. Prostitution is legally allowed within societies where it tends to facilitate and assist the society. And it is suppressed in societies where it perceived to be disruptive to society.

It is not surprising to me that chicks do not want to admit in engaging in an activity not approved within their society. But you are dead on with your definition.

[JjBee62]

They still have dignity brother. You know what it is and they know what it is but does it have to become a major topic in your conversations with them? Your mind is so advanced that maybe understood shit is too simple for you or maybe you have another motive. You stated in a previous post that good jobs are rare in the DR so people won't abuse the opportunity; so with limited jobs and a women has to trick on the side to feed her kid, why does she have to be labeled and degraded for this? I think it's that Atlanta hustler in you trying to convince these girls that in order to not being labeled as a trick by you they must fuck you for free LOL.

If I see a picture of a girl in a resort possibly tricking I would file that info away and not call her on it. What did you gain by calling her on it? She stopped speaking to you. She didn't fall into your trap of not being viewed by you as a hooker in exchange for free sex. You are a smooth brother.

There are plenty of Dominicanas on Cupid who will offer up sex, in exchange for money and gifts. At least until you call them a puta.

In their eyes, they're not putas, that's just the way things work. It's what many of them grew up with.

Daddy comes home from work and gives most of his money to mommy. They have sex. Mommy uses the money to pay rent, buy food and support the family.

Is mommy a puta?

For most of them the daddy isn't around, so the tourist in the hotel isn't paying a puta, he's just filling in for the missing daddy.