Sosua Reports

[Mr Enternational]

Just take it into consideration that we are better off due to the exchange rate in our favor than we realize. And that we might take advantage of that and be more flexible during negotiations.

Of course your dick would think that way because it is thinking about the here and now. But what happens when the exchange rate goes to not being in your favor? They are going to be used to getting that 2500, but it is going to cost you much more. That is one reason you want to think in local currency and not your currency back home.

Exact thing happened in Rio. Years ago when the exchange rate was 3.89 mfs were balling and didn't think twice about giving a chick 300 reais for LT - it was only $77. Well the exchange rate slid back to 1.52, which now meant that 300 reais was $197. They are not going to want to hear that exchange rate shit. They are going to want that same money and more than likely more. Today the exchange rate is 3.14 and even the skanks are asking 300 - 400 reais ($95-$127) PER HOUR. Be careful is all I can say.

[Wrx2005]

Based on my own experience, I am skeptical of that guy's claim that several girls accepted 1000 pesos, barring extreme circumstances or unusual factors (E. G. Slow business, the girl is just average-looking, etc.) I offered some girls hourly rates in the typical pre-crackdown price range (1500-2000 pesos). They all rejected those offers, and some seemed offended at what they may have genuinely viewed as a lowball offer. It took me a while and some trial and error to figure out that the "Sosua puta union" decided to raise prices across the board.

I had a discussion with a buddy recently about how the exchange rate along with mongers spending habits may have impacted chicas demands within the Sosua Puta Union. .

I was asking him to compare the exchange rate today to lets say 4 1/2 years ago when it might have been 40 pesos to 1 usd. So 100 usd could get you 4000 pesos. 2000 pesos would be $50 usd. 1500 would be about $38. Fast forward to now where it is almost 47 to 1. 100 usd is 4700 pesos, 2000 is 42 usd, and 1500 would be 32.

For a lot of guys, they have not factored or have been concerned that chicas may have been paying attention to the increase in the exchange rate (usd in particular). If a chica asked for 2500 for an hour today, how much is that at 47 to 1? About $53usd . .3000 pesos is $63usd . .

What was 2500 41/2 years ago at 40 to 1? About 62.50. So relatively speaking, 2000 to 2500 for an hour at todays exchange rate is not that bad (for us the monger). However, this isn't to say that guys should lay down and accept chicas demands. Just take it into consideration that we are better off due to the exchange rate in our favor than we realize. And that we might take advantage of that and be more flexible during negotiations. Especially if we are talking about $10 or $20 dollar differences.

The main issue for many of us, is can I get a decent performance for whatever I pay for? Many of us can be flexible if we knew that a higher price also came with good service. The problem is, seldom they do not go hand in hand. And thats the issue many of us have moreso than the markup in price.

I was away visiting in the states for almost a month. When I got back, I was ready to pounce. So I got with 4 regulars (all average, but attractive) each night for 5 nights. Paid 2700 to the 1st one for all night. The 2nd one 3000 for all night and that included a pedicure, the 3rd 2700,3000 for the 4th, and I repeated with the 1st one (my pretend girlfriend) and gave her 1000 pesos, some loose change, and an extended battery for her cell phone. Every chica came over before 9:30 pm to spend the night. Price was never discussed with any of these women. I paid them what I wanted. They did not want money directly in their hands. I had to put it in their purses.

Only two I hit again in the morning. I have paid only 2200 for all night with many regulars. The sessions are / were very passionate and freaky. I felt generous, hence the reason for giving these women a little extra. It's possible they may be available to me even during Super Bowl week (I almost doubt it) when guys are ready to unload their wallets on chicas. These women's loyalty will likely be to who ever pays them the most, not to who pays regularly. They got to get that money from guys on short time. Guys like me aint going nowhere. I'm considered low priority.

Thing is arrangements like these are not uncommon. One does not have to live here to establish regulars. But it may take some time to establish connections like that. I know some chicas I can get for 1000. The problem for them is that many of them do not have a phone. So it's not easy to reach them or go looking for them. When we do connect, Its bang zoom. Even though it's only 1000, I still may give them a tip. I just like to make sure I establish what the price is with them. Make sure were still on the same page.

Two different vacations by any individual does not define Sosua or it's participants. It's always your mileage may differ from one vacation to the next. I do not mean that one should keep coming to Sosua, just that that is how it is here. One day I might make it to more destinations so I have something to compare my experiences with. Other than that I also enjoy the non monger aspects of Sosua.

[GringoItaliano]

You being a 2nd time visitor to Sosua, your newness to the scene and how things work, probably captured the attention of every barracuda you came across in Sosua.

Like I said, your newness may have had some impact on how you were perceived and approached. Whereas someone else known to these chicas may be dealt with differently.

I doubt that my relative newness to Sosua was a major factor in these experiences. I was even newer to Sosua on my first trip than I was on this second trip, and I received much better service and pricing on my first trip than I did on my second trip. If my relative newness to Sosua were a major factor, the results would have been the other way around.

If my relative newness to Sosua was a factor, though, I believe it was only because of the presence of more "barracudas," to use your fitting term for predatory chicas. As I suggested in my report, I suspect that post-crackdown Sosua now attracts a higher proportion of barracudas, who may be more willing to accept the heightened risk of arrest than the nicer girls. Perhaps there were fewer barracudas around on my first trip to take advantage of me as a total newbie, as I had only a few minor hiccups on that trip that I solved easily enough and otherwise received mostly good service at a reasonable price. If that was the case, I would say that post-crackdown Sosua is now suffering from a barracuda infestation.

Even if there are now more barracudas, though, I do not believe that they succeeded in deliberately targeting me as a newbie to exploit. I only engaged chicas that I chose, and I turned away each and every chica that approached me or otherwise made the first move including many that might have been barracudas that approached me because they smelled fresh meat.

[Wrx2005]

Depends on where, to whom and when you are making the offer. I know a few guys that NEVER pay more than 1000.

True. One guy I know from London, routinely pays 1000 for his "selections". Granted none of them may meet a lot of guys standards in terms of appearance. But from his reports enough of them were average to above average in terms of performance (again his standards).

[Oakie]

There's a lot of good commenting going on here, and it is not necessarily contradicting anybody's actual experience. A lot of the viewpoints are different, but valid.

For the first time ever, I agreed with a Wrexxy post.

There are so many variables he mentions, as well as some he doesn't, like how much money you have to spend, how presentable yourself are, or enjoy the challenge of the negotiating process, and many, many more.

Unless you are wifed up, you will be unlikely to duplicate a previous trip, and that can be bad or good. It's a box of chocolates.

But two things!

I always come home happy and satisfied and ready to go back.

And I now want to go to Columbia!

[GringoItaliano]

A lot can be said about timing when it comes to vacationing in the DR and Sosua in particular. Your mid Jan 2017 trip also involves 3 recent major events that may have had a huge impact on the volume of chicas on hand in Sosua. Christmas and New Years. Another holiday just passed a few days ago. (don't remember the name) Another was a rainy season that had a significant impact on chicas, mongers and businesses. A large number of chicas had a hard time finding places to seek refuge from the rain.

Few chicas might have hooked up with clients for a few days. But that is not most of the chicas MO to stay with one client. They want to be out and about. Many chicas were and are away from Sosua during these events. And what is / was left is what I call the Chica p4 p skeleton crew. Many chicas sought other venues. In Cabarete, in Puerto Plata. or many stay home and using the internet to score. Or they have clients that can visit them in the town where they live. No need for sosua then.

Those left in Sosua, they are the scavengers left to pick up the slack and take advantage of the absence of other chicas. Chances are what's left behind are more of what you described.

The chica turnout and the breadth of chica selection during my stay was good definitely higher and wider than they were during my last trip in May-June 2016, when I received much better service from a much lower chica turnout and a narrower selection of chicas.

I see your point about the "skeleton crew" effect and its potential implications on the quality of service, and perhaps the higher turnout and wider selection of chicas that I observed on this trip were still relatively low for high season. However, would that same skeleton crew effect occur in low season, E. G. May-June 2016, when I was there last time and received much better service from a much lower chica turnout and a smaller selection of chicas?

[Manizales911]

Anyway, I'll check out the Medellin thread and maybe add it to my list of travel destinations. If it outranks Sosua by such a big margin, it must be what the preacher was talking about when he said we'll get to go to paradise if we do good deeds.

I have spent a lot of time in Colombia and now I live in Sosua and can tell you that Medellin blows Sosua out of the water when it comes to the girls, Sosua is cheaper, closer, warmer and has beaches. But Colombia has the best pu $$why.

[Manizales911]

Based on my own experience, I am skeptical of that guy's claim that several girls accepted 1000 pesos, barring extreme circumstances or unusual factors (E. G. Slow business, the girl is just average-looking, etc.) I offered some girls hourly rates in the typical pre-crackdown price range (1500-2000 pesos). They all rejected those offers, and some seemed offended at what they may have genuinely viewed as a lowball offer. It took me a while and some trial and error to figure out that the "Sosua puta union" decided to raise prices across the board.

Depends on where, to whom and when you are making the offer. I know a few guys that NEVER pay more than 1000.

[GringoItaliano]

You, like a certain "Jerry" we met down their had far more than the average altercations with hookers on the street. Scary stories like yours, but it was obvious to us that the problem was his. He wasn't aware that he was in a different country and culture.

Myself and my buddy have never had any of those experiences, even though we know personally a lot of those spa and nail salon girls on DR Rosen. (I usually get down there first and as a joke I get the hottest one from her mama san, to come with me to greet my hard working and overstressed NA buddy as he gets off the plane. "She want's to marry you!" I tell him, and we all enjoy a beer and a laugh, on the way to town.

Some of the less attractive ones live hopelessly poor lives, so that at first sign of insult (they are human, and they DO get insulted) they can blow up. The average monger walking down the street should not worry unless he is approached by a group, and engages them. That applies anywhere.

I cannot speak for "Jerry," but I was well aware that I was in a different country and culture and acted accordingly, as I have always done in the more than 30 countries around the world that I have visited; the problem was not mine. When I declined the advances of aggressive chicas, I did so politely but firmly and used culturally appropriate tactics that served me well in SJO, CTG, MDE, and Curacao and on my last trip to Sosua without incident. I never insulted any of them unless their sense of self-entitlement was so strong that they viewed rejection itself as an insult.

Instead, I suggest that post-crackdown Sosua may have begun to attract a different crowd of chicas who have less or no fear of arrest. Now, what kind of girls are more willing to accept the now-heightened risk of arrest? Criminals, possibly including the types of chicas who are willing to rob or stab a gringo. I believe that such a shifting demographic could explain why I had three security incidents in this one trip to Sosua and no security incidents in any of my mongering previous trips to Sosua, SJO, CTG, MDE, or Curacao.

[Eszpresszo]

Being a lone wolf in Sosua is a challenge. Picking girls the hours you chose increased the odds of pulling the bad ones. The hot girls come at night dressed and ready to rumble. The early evening girls can not compete with the late night girls.

In truth once you have tasted the Colombian women it is hard to compete. What God does not give them they buy from plastic surgeons.

Can you please clarify what time frame you mean by "the hours"? Also, as a lone wolf about to arrive in a few weeks, I'm curious what the challenge is, by not having a wingman. I've always done okay on my own in Berlin, Medellin and Pattaya. You mentioned Colombian women, who were in my opinion, the least enthusiastic performers I've experienced, so I am not sure what you are referring when you say they can't compete. Lovely women for sure. Possibly my favorite so far as regards to looks, but also disappointing to tell you the truth. However, my experience with working girls so far has been that appearance often works inverse to service and performance. This was confirmed during my trip to Thailand last month. But, maybe you can clarify what your experience has been.

Thanks.

[GringoItaliano]

AS far as pricing we had a guy who was there the same time as you who claimed he had several girls accept 1000 pesos

Based on my own experience, I am skeptical of that guy's claim that several girls accepted 1000 pesos, barring extreme circumstances or unusual factors (E. G. Slow business, the girl is just average-looking, etc.) I offered some girls hourly rates in the typical pre-crackdown price range (1500-2000 pesos). They all rejected those offers, and some seemed offended at what they may have genuinely viewed as a lowball offer. It took me a while and some trial and error to figure out that the "Sosua puta union" decided to raise prices across the board.

[GringoItaliano]

Picking girls the hours you chose increased the odds of pulling the bad ones. The hot girls come at night dressed and ready to rumble. The early evening girls can not compete with the late night girls.

I do not think that the hours that I chose had anything to do with my lower-quality experiences on this trip. I pulled girls at the same hours on my last trip and had much better sessions with them. The differences were that I pulled them at Rumba last time, and that the girls had a better vibe and attitude seven months ago.

I also think that you are confusing appearance and performance. My complaints had nothing to do with how hot the girls were, but rather with the quality of their service. They were quite hot hotter, in fact, than the girls that I pulled on my last trip. In fact, that might have been part the problem. They were so hot that they were complacent and felt less of a need to develop and use their erotic skills. In my opinion, only the Colombians seem immune to that unfortunate tendency of the hottest girls to be the weakest performers.

[PuntingGeorge]

The mongering in my second, mid-January 2017 Sosua trip paled in comparison to my first, May-June 2016 trip...

First of all kudos for stealing my crown by having the longest post on this thread for 2017!

I'm sorry you had such an awful experience, however, I'd like to second Oakie's concern that a newbie reading your report would likely be put off from going.

I can't speak to how Sosua has changed, as I've only been there once, however, I will say that we stayed in the same area, passed the same massage parlour, frequented the same bars and I had an awesome and safe time. Sure it wasn't all perfect, but I think I did well for going into my first trip completely blind.

You don't mention what you paid, only that it was double what you paid on your first trip, but exactly one month ago I was consistently paying 1,000 for decent short time sessions and had the option of a TLN with a really nice Haitian, who I will contact when I next go down, for 2,500.

Of course people should be aware of the safety risks and take all the usual precautions with hiding their valuables, not carrying too much with them etc, but my impression from the reports on here is that Sosua is a lot safer than people might otherwise imagine from reading your report.

You say your standard was 9's and 10's. I'm sure you'll agree that's going to significantly reduce your odds of finding a suitable chica. No one goes expecting to have countless chicas popping down to the strip straight from their glamour shoot every evening. I believe most people, especially newbies, would be more than happy spending 1,000 - 1,500 for consistent 7's and 8's, with the odd disappointment and occasional superstar to balance things out, and that's what they can expect down there (of course the criteria for rating will be different for each monger).

Anyway, I'll check out the Medellin thread and maybe add it to my list of travel destinations. If it outranks Sosua by such a big margin, it must be what the preacher was talking about when he said we'll get to go to paradise if we do good deeds.

[Wrx2005]

Summary.

The mongering in my second, mid-January 2017 Sosua trip paled in comparison to my first, May-June 2016 trip. The quality of service plummeted, but rates doubled. The different crowd and atmosphere detracted from my experience, and the closure of Rumba had a major tactical impact on me. I had three security incidents, the first in any of my mongering trips, and my first Request for Money (RFM). I attribute my lower-quality experience to the local government's anti-puta actions and higher levels of non-monger tourism. I found only one top-notch chica to make the mongering worthwhile, so I spent much of my mongering time with her. I have no desire to return to Sosua, as its mongering now reminds me of San Jose (SJO) and Cartagena (CTG).

Half the quality at twice the price.

The risk of arrest may partially explain the major rate increases. On average, I paid twice what I paid seven months before. According to some chicas, they want higher rates because they need a larger stash to bribe themselves out of jail or in order to justify the risk of arrest. Perhaps skyrocketing prices may also attract new chicas that would normally avoid this business but find the higher rates irresistible, and perhaps such chicas may provide lower-quality service. Chicas were also less flexible on rates this time. Many chicas on my last trip asked me to name my price, and they always accepted my first offer. Seven months later, only a few asked me to name my price, and none of them accepted my first offers.

1st off you provided a substantive report and account of your perspective and experience. Much of what you provided concerning chicas attitudes, greediness and poor service, I concur with. Your caveats and reasonable doubts to your assessments means you are aware that there may be more things that can be considered.

Due to your detail, I had to read your report a few times to try to grasp some of the most noteworthy content. I'd like to add and respond to a few things. Your 1st trip was last May / June. And this trip was mid Jan 2017. Last trip you said there were more AF mongers, and more from NY. This trip less mongers, more family presence etc.

A lot can be said about timing when it comes to vacationing in the DR and Sosua in particular. Your mid Jan 2017 trip also involves 3 recent major events that may have had a huge impact on the volume of chicas on hand in Sosua. Christmas and New Years. Another holiday just passed a few days ago. (don't remember the name) Another was a rainy season that had a significant impact on chicas, mongers and businesses. A large number of chicas had a hard time finding places to seek refuge from the rain.

Few chicas might have hooked up with clients for a few days. But that is not most of the chicas MO to stay with one client. They want to be out and about. Many chicas were and are away from Sosua during these events. And what is / was left is what I call the Chica p4 p skeleton crew. Many chicas sought other venues. In Cabarete, in Puerto Plata. or many stay home and using the internet to score. Or they have clients that can visit them in the town where they live. No need for sosua then.

Those left in Sosua, they are the scavengers left to pick up the slack and take advantage of the absence of other chicas. Chances are what's left behind are more of what you described. But make no mistake, you are correct overall about a lot of chicas being less approachable and standoffish. We can blame social media for part of that. Because our devices makes many of us/them less sociable. We talk less, and we text more. Even my friends back in the states rarely pick up the phone to talk. It's always a text. Friend sends me a text asking me to pick him up from the airport. No call, a text.

So now, with chicas the one on one social aspect is impacted by how we relate to each other. We text more, and talk less. Chicas figure less time with one client means more time to secure more clients. Those clients on vacation trying to wife up a chica, arent paying enough. Plus once he's gone, she has to hustle to make up for what she could have made with several clients ( regulars or newbies ). So GFE may be harder to get, and many don't care about BFE.

A lot of these chicas behavior/attitudes is formed from being exposed to whats on the internet and TV. They see women acting a certain way towards men, and that is how many start behaving themselves. More and more distant from their culture. Many of these women do not appear to be domesticated. That are willing and able to cook, clean for a man. So what we see is mostly women with a hustler mentality. More pretense of personal interest at the time of meeting. But mostly all business when it's over. But if they see you again, they may try to act interested in seeing you again when they want some money.

Enough mongers are wising up to the chicas games and strategies with mongers. Resulting enough men not taking these women seriously, and putting up with their BS. So enough chicas get salty to the fact that guys arent fawning all over them like they are generally used to.

In Rumba, more guys might be open to buying a chica a drink and interacting with her and her friends. Bourbon Street, it's different. People tend to be less sociable at Bourbon Street, and stick with their own company. Women look like they are mean mugging while they sitting around waiting to be noticed. It's harder for some guys to want to approach women that do not look friendly. Rumba had a cozier atmosphere due to the low lighting. Bourbon Street is lit up like a Christmas tree in comparison. And it seems more like a restaurant than a meeting place, like Rumba.

When women rolled into Rumba, the 1st place they went was to the bathroom to primp and prepare. It gave guys a chance to peek out the talent as soon as they walked in. Often times women would be in dresses and high heels even at 9 or 10 pm. At BS, chicas might be in flats all night. So some things are different in how chicas present themselves depending on where they post up.

Other things came to mind from your post. You being a 2nd time visitor to Sosua, your newness to the scene and how things work, probably captured the attention of every barracuda you came across in Sosua. Prices do not double just because a chica says so. You / we always have the power to say no thanks and walk away and find one who meets your criteria.

I suspect that you may have been more passive when it got to the point of discussing price? Whereas if you consistently told chicas what you can / will pay 1st, you would come off as having more control. Guys who bother to ask chicas how much they want, have a 90% chance that she will shoot for the stars.

My point is, you can't ask these chicas how much they want or even entertain that. A guy needs to tell them how much he will pay. He can work from that. I think many chicas are flexible when it comes to offering them what they can accept. But you ask a chica her price, and just like anybody in the DR, they are going to get stupid with it just in case you are too. I tried to buy a waist pouch from a Sosua vender, and he wanted 1000 pesos when I can get the same thing for 300 pesos in La Sirena supermarket. He wouldn't budge. No problem. But the thing is, I asked for the price instead of showing him what I will pay. Taxis are the same way. You ask a taxi how much, and he is likely to give you some price much higher than the going rate.

So that's the mentality / strategy for enough locals when dealing with foreigners. It's not double the price unless you accept it. Quality of service, now that's another issue entirely. We do not have much control over their performance. We only have control over who we choose to provide the service.

Like I said, your newness may have had some impact on how you were perceived and approached. Whereas someone else known to these chicas may be dealt with differently.

I've said this before. Sosua is developing it's own rep as a destination equipped with it's own challenges. For many it requires work. A good time is not guaranteed or held out for you on a silver platter. And depending on who you are, how you carry yourself, who you expose yourself to, time of day, current events, venues, available chicas, cock blocking mongers, wind direction, and where the moon and sun is positioned, your experience can vary 180 degrees from one vacation to the next.

Thats the beauty of Sosua. It's never stagnate. It is ever changing. It can be a shithole and a paradise all at the same time, or alternately. A lot depends on the individual and their ability to adapt, and operate on a level outside of their comfort zone. For those that can't or won't, they may not be heard from again. But Sosua will continue to satisfy those that can adapt. For those that do not make mongering their only activity on limited time, I suspect they get a lot more enjoyment / fulfillment in Sosua than those that do.

These are just opinions and perspective. It is not any accurate or thorough account of Sosua or it's participants.

[Oakie]

Summary.

The mongering in my second, mid-January 2017 Sosua trip paled in comparison to my first, May-June 2016 trip. The quality of service plummeted, but rates doubled. The different crowd and atmosphere detracted from my experience, and the closure of Rumba had a major tactical impact on me. I had three security incidents, the first in any of my mongering trips, and my first Request for Money (RFM). I attribute my lower-quality experience to the local government's anti-puta actions and higher levels of non-monger tourism. I found only one top-notch chica to make the mongering worthwhile, so I spent much of my mongering time with her. I have no desire to return to Sosua, as its mongering now reminds me of San Jose (SJO) and Cartagena (CTG)..

Thanks for the honest report on your trip.

A couple of comments.

Any newbie reading that report, might think twice before going to Sosua.

I'm not sure what the ratio is but we have many positive reports on Sosua.

You yourself give a few reasons your experience was not up to expectations.

The comparison game:

If you prefer Columbians, of Europeans, you are obviously going to be disappointed with Haitians and Dominicanas.

Quality:

Always in the eye of the beholder. Some like an obvious anonymous slu**, that will go down in 5 seconds, while others prefer a well groomed GFE.

I've been going there for years now, and even in the "good old days" I would't touch 90% of the chicas there. They tend to put out publicly what they'll deliver. From the outrageously tightly dressed chicas in gangs screaming at each other in front of Rumba (Hardcore), to the finer dressed ones sitting quietly in some of the quieter bars or waiting for Classico (Pros), there's always a customer. Then there are the girls who work in the bars, restaurants and shops (Semis). Obviously these are the ones most likely to be clean, non violent, personable and safe around money. It's not rocket science, you don't need a degree.

The closer their proximity to Pedro Cliente the harder they are, but that's where the nightly show is that attracts the most mongers. It's fun to watch. You don't have to move much further away to find a quiter scene.

Street hookers will always ask you for money, or a propina, or a regalo para bambina, even after you have paid them. There's a way to deal with that, which brings me to my next point.

You, like a certain "Jerry" we met down their had far more than the average altercations with hookers on the street. Scary stories like yours, but it was obvious to us that the problem was his. He wasn't aware that he was in a different country and culture.

Myself and my buddy have never had any of those experiences, even though we know personally a lot of those spa and nail salon girls on DR Rosen. (I usually get down there first and as a joke I get the hottest one from her mama san, to come with me to greet my hard working and overstressed NA buddy as he gets off the plane. "She want's to marry you!" I tell him, and we all enjoy a beer and a laugh, on the way to town.

Some of the less attractive ones live hopelessly poor lives, so that at first sign of insult (they are human, and they DO get insulted) they can blow up. The average monger walking down the street should not worry unless he is approached by a group, and engages them. That applies anywhere.

And getting back to your hotel is not a choice between a cracked skull and a street altercation, for most.

I've been going back and hooking up with a regular for years now, but in my experience I am spending less time with this regular and more time with high quality fresh stuff, from the other 10%, pros and semis.

I can't wait to get back there and neither can my buddy.

You are best served by sticking to what you know and love!

But how was the food?