Sosua Reports

[PuntingGeorge]

I have spent a lot of time in Colombia and now I live in Sosua and can tell you that Medellin blows Sosua out of the water when it comes to the girls, Sosua is cheaper, closer, warmer and has beaches. But Colombia has the best pu $$why.

Distance is not a major issue, once I'm on the plane I'm not too bothered how far it's flying, within reason. I also don't care much for beaches. When you say Sosua is cheaper are you referring to how much the girls want or the cost of flights and accommodation etc?

[SubCmdr]

Mr. GringoItaliano,

Thank you for you excellent MitA (Man in the Arena) report. You have been spending a lot of time defending yourself from critics. They don't matter!

Your experiences are valid and they cannot be invalidated. You got people calling for self examination. Seriously? Someone posting about buying prostitutes in Sousa has the nerve to call out another person doing the same thing but having a different experience. GTF! You stated the reasons you believed you had a bad experience on your second visit. They remain valid. But you have to remember three things:

1. The Law of Supply and Demand.

2. Theft is deeply embedded within Dominican Society. There are few at any level, position or station that feels it's not OK to straight up steal.

3. The character of the individuals you are dealing with.

4. The Law of Personal Preferences.

Number two and three tie into each other and each of us on an individual level can only be aware and cannot do much to change. 1 & 4 are within our complete control. It's hard to tell somebody who they should be fucking and how much they should be paying. But hey these critical motherfuckers are here doing exactly that.

My Sosua experience is limited. But of the three women I dealt with there only one made a deal, provided great service and stuck to it. The other two both tried to steal from me in some way. Or if hustling isn't considered theft (I think it is). Then only one didn't try to hustle me in someway.

During my trip had a gang of girls try to accost me while while walking home similar to what you experienced. That was pre-crackdown. Now it was not a pleasant experience but I would file it under "there are worse problems to have. " The more challenges we face in life and overcome the better we get at handling similar problems in the future. For those who feel Mr. GringoItaliano is a heretic speaking among the Sosua faithful, chill the fuck out! You don't have to burn him at the stake. He has chosen self exile.

I enjoyed your post Mr. GringoItaliano. It's current and I have no reason not to believe it. It won't ever stop me from returning to Sosua. But hey, I got more pussy in Santo Domingo that I have time to fuck and Boca Chica is right down the road.

[Wrx2005]

I used the same techniques to politely but firmly turn away unsolicited approaches by chicas and vendors that I successfully used on my last Sosua trip on my other trips elsewhere without incident. They usually worked on this trip, but in the three cases that I mentioned, I believe that I encountered more aggressive ones who simply would not take "no thanks" for an answer or had other, malicious intentions to begin with. I believe that these were more pronounced examples of the now more aggressive vibe of post-crackdown Sosua chicas in general.

Was I doing something wrong when I was walking down well-lit Pedro Clisante in the early evening, minding my own business with many people around, and a chica hit me on the back of the head in response to my polite but firm "no thanks"?

As for the chicas that ganged up on me late at night it did not happen near NG but near the casino, as I was leaving for NG (they had been waiting outside the casino entrance). It was better-lit than the area around NG and there were other people around, so I felt that walking back to NG was safer than riding a motoconcho (considering the way those guys drive).

I was not intoxicated. I do not drink alcohol when I am mongering, for security reasons and other reasons. I did not have a single alcoholic beverage during my entire trip.

In my responses I never considered that maybe you got treated a certain way, because of how you may have been perceived by the chicas you encountered. Just as much as we may have standards of who we choose to pursue, so do the chicas in terms of who they will or will not fuck.

Also some have mentioned this here before, that sometimes chicas will tell a guy a very high price because they don't want his business. Or they have their sights on a more financially lucrative target.

On another note, A little incident.

A buddy of mine just got to Sosua yesterday. We sat and talked in Bourbon Street around 8 to 9 ish in the evening. He saw a cute red bone chica. He got her to come over. He started talking to her in english. He took her number, and the whole time her body language indicated she seemed uncomfortable, and was trying to get back to her girlfriends. She never even asked him for his name, never tried to initiate engaging him in any verbal exchange. She only answered by giving him her name, and where she was from. She walked off and joined her girls. So I asked him, did she ask you what your name was? Did you notice she didn't seem interested in engaging with you?

It hadn't dawned on him until later, because then he was paying more attention to how she looked. I told him I had already greeted her when I was coming out of the bathroom and she was walking towards it, and she ignored my greeting (in spanish). And made an effort not to make eye contact when she passed by. Who knows, she may not have even understood a word of english he said to her. But something was up with that chick. It's obvious she was there to check out the scene to potentially make money from dudes coming for Super Bowl week. But that chica surely lacked social skills.

In the next few minutes she was posted up on the sidewalk with her GF's using "squirrel eyes" to peek in my buddies direction. Him and I got up and left for Merengue Bar, saw it was dead, and crossed over to the Flame Bar. He got a warm greeting from the bar girl there who helped him celebrate his birthday a few months ago inside Flame Bar. Her greeting a big difference from that chica he just talked to.

Next thing I know the chica he met, her and one of her girlfriends had moved from Bourbon Street down to outside Merengue Bar, standing there looking at us from across the street. I guess she pointed out my buddy as the one who approached her. Seen he was engaged talking to the women that have social skills. A few minutes later, they all piled into a little compact car and drove off. If that chica hasnt been scared off, she will eventually be groomed for being a p4 p chica. Complete with instructions on how to fleece as much as she can out of a guy, and potentially rely on her looks to get more and do less for it.

What I gathered from that incident, is that my buddy did not try to interact with her to establish any vibe, did not establish if she even understood him. The chica on the other hand, was probably new as hell to the scene, and didn't know what to say or do. She probably wasnt ready to go off with anyone right at that moment either. She showed by her body language that she probably needed her girlfriends input / support, and couldn't act on her own just yet. But IMO that is no excuse from not knowing how or failing to exercise basic social skills towards other people. Like returning a greeting when spoken to.

[Wrx2005]

Prices might not double just because a chica says so, but chicas do control what offers they will or will not accept.

True, but it\s not like you don't have power in this game. You also have control over what offers you will or will not accept. And you also have control over who you choose to hire to fuck. If a chick you choose, doesn't choose to work for you, you simply find another who will. There is nothing wrong with a guy taking the night off if he doesnt find someone suitable. It's not like you are gonna die from blue balls.

Prices do effectively double if chicas only accept offers twice as high as what they used to accept. I either had to accept that prices have increased across the board or go back to NG with blue balls, as I could not find any attractive chicas that would accept the same prices from seven months ago, or even moderate increases. The "Sosua Puta Union" must have decided to push for higher rates.

So what I said about your vacation timing doesn't have merit? You said you came in Jan 2017, just after 2 major events (Christmas and New Years) , and we had 2 months and a half of ridiculous amounts of rain, and you haven't factored that into another potential reason you couldn't find "any attractive chicas " that would accept your prices? That if tons of chicas had returned to Sosua, including a lot of new chicas just getting started, that there might have been more chicas available to accept your offers? Competition has a way of humbling enough of these chicas.

But you arent likely to see much of that competition with a skeleton crew of chicas on hand to choose from. BTW when you came it is / was high season, but that doesn't necessarily apply directly to the presence of chicas. That applies to folks coming to the DR on vacation , the hotels and all inclusives that expect to be filled. And like I said before, you chose to come to Sosua at one of the worse times from a mongering standpoint, in addition to the drawbacks from the closings and crackdown on chicas. Everyone since then has had to make adjustments. You perhaps were not prepared for that?

At the beginning of this trip, I was proactive in naming my price, not passive. I offered rates comparable to what I paid on my last trip; chicas rejected such offers, and some of them seemed to take offense at what may have genuinely struck them as low ball offers in the new, post-crackdown market. Yes, I had the power to walk way, and I exercised it. I made similar offers to other chicas and received similar reactions.

No doubt you are correct that many chicas have been asking and demanding higher prices. So you are not delusional.

I decided to shift gears, as my proactive price-naming strategy was clearly not working. I had heard rumors of increasing prices, so I asked chicas what they wanted in order to figure out "the new normal," which was considerably higher than the prices that chicas had quoted me when I asked them seven months ago (I was more passive on pricing during my first trip, but even then, chicas quoted me much lower rates than they did this time).

After hearing similar responses from multiple chicas (and discounting the quotes of those that were clearly trying to take advantage of me and asked for outrageous prices), I figured out what the "new normal" was and resumed my proactive-price naming strategy at that price point. This revised approach was more successful but still involved more negotiation than it did on my last trip, when chicas always accepted my initial offers at much lower rates.

You are not alone in regards to some guys deciding to make some adjustments if they wanted to get laid by a particular chica, and didn't choose to walk away and find another.

As I indicated in my previous report, I believe that the crackdown has made Sosua chicas in general more financially demanding and raised their expectations of what they should and should not accept due to the heightened risk of arrest and the influx of less price-conscious mainstream tourists.

I personally don't attribute the crackdown as why prices have soared. For as long as I have been going to the DR, chicas have always tried to get more even if there was no crackdown. IMO the influx of mongers coming to Sosua and throwing money at these chicas is what I think has more impact on driving the price of pussy up. The "make it rain" mob of guys spending hundreds of dollars on these chicas, that IMO has contributed greatly to these price gouging monsters.

In addition, many mongers too close to hustlers (male and female), and the hustlers freely sharing and encouraging chicas to seek as much as they can out of guys. The heavy numbers of WU novios and suckers sending tons of regular and upon request money to these women. Getting chicas set up in apartments, helping them get a salon up and running, buying them cars, furniture. My point is dude, I don't always follow what chicas say when I want an honest account of certain information. Many will tell you only what they want you to hear. But pay attention to what goes on around you. A lot of guys are spoiling these women to the 10th power. You sit down at any restaurant, bar, club, in their villas and see how many guys are spending money like water on these women. You think your conscientious effort to not over pay is going to TRUMP some guy who is wining and dining chicas and potentially overpaying?

I will sit down to talk to guys who openly tell me how much money they spend to get a chica they want up in Classicos or Merengue. Over 100 dollars bro, and proud of it. More and more chicas are pulling up in cars. Guys are spending money on chicas back in the states and elsewhere and bringing earned and unearned gifts. Doesn't matter the expense. The point is, that these chicas see that there is a wealth of money out there to be made. They see that many guys get off being generous. It's important for many guys to feel good, moreso than what impact their behavior may have on chica behavior in the long run.

Muggs coming to Sosua trying to nickel and dime these chicas (according to how some chicas may feel) , meanwhile he has 2 cell phones, a computer, a tablet, credit cards and cash in his safe, paid for 2 weeks in a hotel, $700 for airfare, goes to any restaurant to eat, may be driving around in a rental, comes back 2 or 3 months later to do the same thing, and shows the chicas in so many words that he is able to to afford to do a lot of shit.

How about guys bragging in the company of their local hustler friends about how much they pay strippers or pros back where they come from? You think that information doesn't get shared with the chicas? When a hustler sits down with a table of relatively new chicas, what do you think he is doing? He's is trying to market himself to them. So any and everything he knows about mongers habits will be used to help chicas to get the most out of their clients. Many hustlers act as double agents. They might help mongers, but they also use what they know to help chicas. And they get compensated for it. Or at the very least, they build alliances with both chicas and mongers, playing them both.

Take into consideration that another way some chicas try to cover their expenses, is to get guys to buy food, drinks, pay hotel fees, club entrance fees, and anything else they can in order to keep their money in their purses. When they do that, that suggests that they know we can afford to pay for alot. And you mean to tell me NONE OF THAT I mentioned gets factored into why many p4 p chicas think they should get more from us?

The crackdown gets more credit?

[GringoItaliano]

Compared that to the long report of Gringo Italiano, I saw a total disconnect which is what I wanted to point out for others, it is not my intention to pooh pooh anyone. In my three days here, other than a couple of chicks holding my hand and asking to go, I can't think of a single incident worth reporting, let alone being hit on the head. Whenever women solicit, all it calls for a "no thanks" . This is equally true of men working the streets selling whatever. I have not had to negotiate with one but I only pay what I am comfortable with.

I do not know the poster, but perhaps in addition to hypothesizing the reasons, one should also look at oneself in the mirror, to check for what one might not be doing right. Walking around late at night, around New Garden which is dark, may not be safe for example as is being intoxicated. Additionally, one does not need to go to Pedro Clisante for "hunting" - if one can call it that. The whole town is the play ground and business is open as early as the sunrise, potentially. Tonight is my last of the three nights here and I expect it to be no different, insha'allah! It is rather pleasant, temperature wise, this time of the year and women are everywhere.

I used the same techniques to politely but firmly turn away unsolicited approaches by chicas and vendors that I successfully used on my last Sosua trip on my other trips elsewhere without incident. They usually worked on this trip, but in the three cases that I mentioned, I believe that I encountered more aggressive ones who simply would not take "no thanks" for an answer or had other, malicious intentions to begin with. I believe that these were more pronounced examples of the now more aggressive vibe of post-crackdown Sosua chicas in general.

Was I doing something wrong when I was walking down well-lit Pedro Clisante in the early evening, minding my own business with many people around, and a chica hit me on the back of the head in response to my polite but firm "no thanks"?

As for the chicas that ganged up on me late at night – it did not happen near NG but near the casino, as I was leaving for NG (they had been waiting outside the casino entrance). It was better-lit than the area around NG and there were other people around, so I felt that walking back to NG was safer than riding a motoconcho (considering the way those guys drive).

I was not intoxicated. I do not drink alcohol when I am mongering, for security reasons and other reasons. I did not have a single alcoholic beverage during my entire trip.

[Frannie]

http://tiendalasirena.com/mes-del-ahorro/ How about 20 litres of milk?

Yes, you could, or you could get 20 pineapples, or 10 small tubes of toothpaste or bottles of cheap shampoo. Or if you want to live large you could get 100 gallons of drinking water refills and still have money left over for an ice cream.

[Questner]

Another way to look at it is that the chicas are all in competition with each other, casting doubt on the notion of a "union". Perhaps it is simply a question of a rising cost of living in the DR. 1000 pesos is less than $25. What can you buy for that price in the DR these days?

http://tiendalasirena.com/mes-del-ahorro/ How about 20 litres of milk?

[Knowledge]

There are two sides to every story.

I was at the Bon place last night with a young woman visiting me from somewhere else. This is the place at the intersection past new Garden. It was about 11 PM and it was a beautiful quiet night. The woman had an ice cream while I went over to the bar across and got a glass of Single malt. We both sat outside Bon, on the benches and finished the drink and lit a cigar and saw the world go by, getting back to the hotel sometime around 11.30 PM, with nary an unsightly sight.

Compared that to the long report of Gringo Italiano, I saw a total disconnect which is what I wanted to point out for others, it is not my intention to pooh pooh anyone. In my three days here, other than a couple of chicks holding my hand and asking to go, I can't think of a single incident worth reporting, let alone being hit on the head. Whenever women solicit, all it calls for a "no thanks" . This is equally true of men working the streets selling whatever. I have not had to negotiate with one but I only pay what I am comfortable with.

I do not know the poster, but perhaps in addition to hypothesizing the reasons, one should also look at oneself in the mirror, to check for what one might not be doing right. Walking around late at night, around New Garden which is dark, may not be safe for example as is being intoxicated. Additionally, one does not need to go to Pedro Clisante for "hunting" - if one can call it that. The whole town is the play ground and business is open as early as the sunrise, potentially. Tonight is my last of the three nights here and I expect it to be no different, insha'allah! It is rather pleasant, temperature wise, this time of the year and women are everywhere.

[Frannie]

The "Sosua Puta Union" must have decided to push for higher rates.

At the beginning of this trip, I was proactive in naming my price, not passive. I offered rates comparable to what I paid on my last trip; chicas rejected such offers, and some of them seemed to take offense at what may have genuinely struck them as low ball offers in the new, post-crackdown market. Yes, I had the power to walk way, and I exercised it. I made similar offers to other chicas and received similar reactions.

Another way to look at it is that the chicas are all in competition with each other, casting doubt on the notion of a "union". Perhaps it is simply a question of a rising cost of living in the DR. 1000 pesos is less than $25. What can you buy for that price in the DR these days?

[Quagmire1974]

So according to the USCPB you can bring back up to 50 pills of generic sildenafil (or other non-scheduled Rx drugs ie: xanax etc) without a US prescription.

But you have to declare that you have them and the value of them.

Whether it's ground coffee or souvenirs or generic sildenafil, I'm guessing anything and everything has to be declared once you're standing in front of the US Customs agent at your port of entry.

The problem, though, is what Manizales911 said in post 27933:

"I had a friend that wanted to bring some sildenafil back to the states and I advised him to carry them in his pocket because the DR airports don't have the full body X ray machines like the USA Has and they would not be found. He decided to put them in his check in baggage and the USA Customs found them and confiscated them. Their reason was that they were not FDA approved, if they were Viagra branded they would not have taken them."

And Manizales911 is correct, from what I've found online. The largest quantity of generic sildenafil that I've brought back at one time was 30 tablets. I just simply didn't declare them. Hell, marijuana is now legal in a handful of states so who gives a shit about a few pecker pills.

[Tempoecorto]

I was at the Bon place last night with a young woman visiting me from somewhere else. This is the place at the intersection past new Garden. It was about 11 PM and it was a beautiful quiet night. The woman had an ice cream while I went over to the bar across and got a glass of Single malt. We both sat outside Bon, on the benches and finished the drink and lit a cigar and saw the world go by, getting back to the hotel sometime around 11.30 PM, with nary an unsightly sight.

Compared that to the long report of Gringo Italiano, I saw a total disconnect which is what I wanted to point out for others, it is not my intention to pooh pooh anyone. In my three days here, other than a couple of chicks holding my hand and asking to go, I can't think of a single incident worth reporting, let alone being hit on the head. Whenever women solicit, all it calls for a "no thanks" . This is equally true of men working the streets selling whatever. I have not had to negotiate with one but I only pay what I am comfortable with.

I do not know the poster, but perhaps in addition to hypothesizing the reasons, one should also look at oneself in the mirror, to check for what one might not be doing right. Walking around late at night, around New Garden which is dark, may not be safe for example as is being intoxicated. Additionally, one does not need to go to Pedro Clisante for "hunting" - if one can call it that. The whole town is the play ground and business is open as early as the sunrise, potentially. Tonight is my last of the three nights here and I expect it to be no different, insha'allah! It is rather pleasant, temperature wise, this time of the year and women are everywhere.

[RubMeister100]

Here is a link that will explain the situation:

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-m...g-prescription

That being said, in the case of Colombia and Mexico, what I simply did was buy a few extra doses, remove the pills from their blister packs, and put them in an old ibuprofen bottle. The generic sildenafil that you can buy overseas at a pharmacy for $2 to $3 per dose works the same as the $15 per dose Viagra that you can buy in the United States.

So according to the USCPB you can bring back up to 50 pills of generic sildenafil (or other non-scheduled Rx drugs ie: xanax etc) without a US prescription.

But you have to declare that you have them and the value of them.

[Wrx2005]

Of course your dick would think that way because it is thinking about the here and now. But what happens when the exchange rate goes to not being in your favor?

They are going to be used to getting that 2500, but it is going to cost you much more. That is one reason you want to think in local currency and not your currency back home.

You should realize this more than anyone. When you were here a few months ago, did you pay what a chica demanded, or did you pay what you felt comfortable paying? It was the latter. Same for myself. We have the deciding vote on what we are willing to pay, not the chicas.

I was just making a comparison in a discussion and sharing it here. Especially for individuals who complain about the chica price markup. As far as going by "what happens when the exchange rate is not in my favor", that is something I am not concerned about unless it happens. It hasnt gone down yet so I do not see that as something I need to worry about.

Another way to look at it, The chicas exchange rate of satisfaction for pesos hasnt always been been in my favor either, but I and many others have worked around it. BTW when you say it is going to cost you much more (the exchange rate not in my favor and chic as used to a certain amount ) , how much more are we talking? In theory you may be correct, but in application and the likelyhood of it happening, I don't see the need to be concerned. One can always make personal adjustments.

I'm more concerned about the increase in cost of flying to and from the DR and other locations, and how that has impacted me than chicas prices, or concern over the exchange rate dropping.

[GringoItaliano]

True. One guy I know from London, routinely pays 1000 for his "selections". Granted none of them may meet a lot of guys standards in terms of appearance. But from his reports enough of them were average to above average in terms of performance (again his standards).

There are some nasty-looking chicas in Sosua, and perhaps some of them might accept 1000 pesos, but I personally would not screw them with a 10-foot pole if they paid me 1000 pesos.

[GringoItaliano]

Prices do not double just because a chica says so. You / we always have the power to say no thanks and walk away and find one who meets your criteria.

I suspect that you may have been more passive when it got to the point of discussing price? Whereas if you consistently told chicas what you can / will pay 1st, you would come off as having more control. Guys who bother to ask chicas how much they want, have a 90% chance that she will shoot for the stars.

My point is, you can't ask these chicas how much they want or even entertain that. A guy needs to tell them how much he will pay. He can work from that. I think many chicas are flexible when it comes to offering them what they can accept. But you ask a chica her price, and just like anybody in the DR, they are going to get stupid with it just in case you are too. I tried to buy a waist pouch from a Sosua vender, and he wanted 1000 pesos when I can get the same thing for 300 pesos in La Sirena supermarket. He wouldn't budge. No problem. But the thing is, I asked for the price instead of showing him what I will pay. Taxis are the same way. You ask a taxi how much, and he is likely to give you some price much higher than the going rate.

So that's the mentality / strategy for enough locals when dealing with foreigners. It's not double the price unless you accept it.

Prices might not double just because a chica says so, but chicas do control what offers they will or will not accept. Prices do effectively double if chicas only accept offers twice as high as what they used to accept. I either had to accept that prices have increased across the board or go back to NG with blue balls, as I could not find any attractive chicas that would accept the same prices from seven months ago, or even moderate increases. The "Sosua Puta Union" must have decided to push for higher rates.

At the beginning of this trip, I was proactive in naming my price, not passive. I offered rates comparable to what I paid on my last trip; chicas rejected such offers, and some of them seemed to take offense at what may have genuinely struck them as low ball offers in the new, post-crackdown market. Yes, I had the power to walk way, and I exercised it. I made similar offers to other chicas and received similar reactions.

I decided to shift gears, as my proactive price-naming strategy was clearly not working. I had heard rumors of increasing prices, so I asked chicas what they wanted in order to figure out "the new normal," which was considerably higher than the prices that chicas had quoted me when I asked them seven months ago (I was more passive on pricing during my first trip, but even then, chicas quoted me much lower rates than they did this time).

After hearing similar responses from multiple chicas (and discounting the quotes of those that were clearly trying to take advantage of me and asked for outrageous prices), I figured out what the "new normal" was and resumed my proactive-price naming strategy at that price point. This revised approach was more successful but still involved more negotiation than it did on my last trip, when chicas always accepted my initial offers at much lower rates.

As I indicated in my previous report, I believe that the crackdown has made Sosua chicas in general more financially demanding and raised their expectations of what they should and should not accept due to the heightened risk of arrest and the influx of less price-conscious mainstream tourists.