Sephan Kwai

[Member #4591]

T-det is the name of the best bar there. The girls often dance on stripper poles and then come around to drink with customers. There is a very small fee to have a lady sit and drink with and the beer is cheap. There are no lady drinks and the bar really pushes you to order food for you and your chosen companion. Here, there is no bar fine. The shirt time rate is 1,500 baht for Thais and 2500 for farang. I normally pay 2000 as I am a regular. You will need to take the lady across the street to the hotel and the hotel is often included in the price you pay the bar. I often will also pay 2,500 and take the girl to my condo close by. You can get topless lap dances for 100 baht. For the local scene, paying upfront is the norm. If you don't want to pay first, don't take the chance and don't go swim with the local fish. All experiences are YMMV and Thai language skills will get you far. A good change of scenery.

[Nyezhov]

Any recent reports? I am looking at apartments in this area.

[Member #4591]

Tnis bar has gone down hill at the moment. The girls are less friendly and accommodating now. I took one home a few weeks ago and kicked her out after 30 minutes. Since you pay upfront, I thought I would be out my 2,500 but I demanded half back and she gave it to me. Will be taking a break from this area for a while.

[Member #4591]

New girl!

Her ass was her biggest asset. She knew how to give a good BBJ and attacked me like a mad dog in the room. Spent most of the time in the doggy position. Was able to get off two shots between 12 and 1:30. Good GFE session for me on a quiet night.

[Member #4591]

Excellent report for this area.

27 Oct I had been told the Bangkok Bars would be closed and alcohol sales not allowed (still). So we decided to go to T Det-99 in Saphan Kwai (Sutthisan Road) not far from BTS Ari I think.

Strangely the Thai bars were open and selling Alcohol, although they were very quiet, and not that many girls. The dancing on the table tops was extremely light on, and the mamasan LB suggested that the dancing would return to normal on 1 Nov.

The mamasan was trying very hard to push certain girls on us. I was trying to resist strongly as I normally like to choose. LOL Choosing would be tricky of course as was very dark in there, especially when not accustomed to the low light. I didn't like most suggested girls too much due to being allergic to high levels of "Sanyagum" (surgeries).

I decided to stop the hassling by selecting a girl. However very difficult due to low lighting as I mentioned. I called over a girl that had given me an immense smile on entering, not exactly pretty, just not too ugly and clearly all natural. She took to me like a house on fire and was soon cuddling up and playing around a bit like a naughty monkey. LOL.

BKK Dog had also picked a girl, and I could see she was prettier and looked to have a good body too, maybe. With my girl I had hardly seen the body at all. She wasn't fat thighed, but I had no clue if the covered body was really any good at all. She was quite short. The girls to not get up for dancing so this made it all the harder to see if bodies were any good. Normally I prefer to she girls dance on stage under good lighting and as scantily clad as possible. It is not easy to check out the figure of a girl sitting next to you unless you start molesting big time.

The bill was quite reasonable, as pay a lot less for drinks and food than would in a cowboy bar including drinks for the girl. Food menu was in Thai script and quite extensive, (difficult to read in low light). First up I ordered "Puu Phat Phong Karee" (stir fried crab in yellow curry powder) Had to change to prawn as they had no crab. We also had Cashews and French fries.

Fee for a girl ST is 2500 Baht which includes BF, and ST room charge (300 paid by girl to the ST Hotel). ST is only 1 hour though at the ST Hotel.

Spotted a really stunning surgeries girl, with acceptable nose job, but really bad half coconut shell like bolt-ONS. I made a wise-crack about LB looks to my girl, and she commented that yes some of the dancers maybe actually ladyboys, possiblty post-op, since she mentioned the cutting off of the dick (maybe just a joke. I can't say). So I can't say I spotted and dancing girl that was a LB for certain, but felt slightly unsure.

My girl turned out to be a Chiang Rai farm girl, with very little experience, aged 25, worked in T Det only 2 weeks as previously factory only paid about 300 Baht per day. Very low English ability (almost none). Never fucked a Farang in her life. For some reason she seemed to like Farangs a lot. Hard to fathom. Probably she had bad experiences with Thai guys. In the end decided to take a major non-cautious gamble and BF her purely as she seemed to have a good attitude (a very often misleading thing).

As one would expect, for a girl of very low experience, she did not know much at all about sex. With clothes off, I could see her body was way below the standard I expect from bar girls, but not a total disaster area. Tits rather pancake style. It appeared she had never experienced DATY, but took to it very well. After I was getting tired of DATY, I was about to change, and the girl brazenly pushes my head back down there. WTF? She indicates "Naam yang mai taek" literally "her waters have not yet broken". A euphemism for no cum as yet. So I had to persist and after maybe 30 to 40 minutes she finally made it. The time left in the room was starting to get low. Ha ha. So I tried to tongue kiss her. Nothing doing. She never has done that before. LOL She likes to kiss the nose. LOL Ask for a BJ. She has never done that before either. She claims Thai boys don't ask for BJ, they just fuck straight off. I ask her how come she wanted me to lick her clit for so long but is not wanting to return the service. She does not know how to, is her only excuse. Okay So had to wank myself up (she was not good at it) while fingering her pussy (partially resisted).

She relaxed her legs beautifully well for the fuck part, but somehow her pussy did not have the right feel for me at the deeper levels. Don't know why. So was not a great feeling pussy for the fuck. All up a pretty much disaster fuck, as one might expect, with so little knowledge and experience, and bad luck the pussy fit just not quite right for me. Not all pussies are equal. LOL I have tight girls and not so tight girls, but have to feel good at the deeper levels.

I have to remind myself of girl selection criteria for a fuck that I should not relax too much, ideally.

1. Pretty Face.

2. Great curvy slim body, with tits preferably having been seen uncovered or groped. Need to have seen the girl properly in a standing position.

3. Fun loving, not to serious, and showing keenness. I guess the girl passed this criteria.

4. Several years of extensive sex experience.

5. Plenty of experience fucking Farangs ideally, so not dick scared.

6. Knows how to give BBBJs.

7. Willing to give a sample tongue kissing in the bar, even if a bit surreptitiously.

8. For absolute stunners, some criteria could be relaxed a little like "experience with Farangs", due to possibly being worth the risk in case of getting lucky to find an exceptional girl.

I remind myself, that for many years I had mostly bad experiences with Nataree girls, because they were mostly inexperienced farm girls sometimes from Myanmar, they were contract debt girls, forced to do it, and so not really into it, etc. The more experienced girls in the fishbowl were better. I have to remind me that I am not so horny an individual, that any girl will do. They have to know how to make a good sex session, how to move their body, etc. Have to know how to BBBJ and tongue kiss. Not easy to find in Thai oriented Soapies except for more experienced girls. All my favourite girls have years of experience. They know what has to be done to turn me on a lot, even the relatively shy one.

So I ask myself, how could I take a girl who really only passed one of the criteria with flying colours? Brain fade. LOL Unfucked for a few days influencing me.

Tonight the rectification. I look forward to one of my super sexy super expert super experienced long time favourite girls, who prefers Farangs, preferably not too small. A girl that has been fabulous from the very first time with her. Often she has not had a fuck since the last time I saw her.

BKK Dog report that T Det at one time had naked girl lap dances for 100 Baht per go in the past. This has been stamped out since police raids. Why do the police have to spoil the fun? What is so bad about girls being naked? Works well at Crazy House, a Police "affiliated" bar, I think.

T Det remains mostly a curiosity for me. The prices are good, but girls are mostly for Thai taste, and so nothing drags me back there in a big hurry. Some pretty faces, but some of those girls has odd shaped bodies, due to either pudge or surgeries.

Why do girls work in a lower class place like this? If they were really top class they could be in a Coyote Club for Thais or a Soapy. Some of the girls have friends that work there. So they don't want to go into a Cowboy bar with no friends for moral support. Maybe they can't speak English. Perhaps they are able to avoid customers they don't like. Also they have probably fucked plenty of Thais but lack farang experience (not a good thing).

[XXL]

No, I wouldn't say my idea of a GFE is "only" BB sex. But, like you, I wouldn't consider anything a GFE or PSE if a condom is required.

Exactly! Also, I chuckle at PUA's assertion they're having better sex with game than mongers are having with prostitutes, unless said PUAs specify they get BB. I regard any covered sex as prostitutional.

[EihTooms]

I will tell you my idea of a GFE and a PSE. A GFE is a lady I can kiss and fuck bareback. A lady that never complains about me ducking her because it hurts and a lady who makes me believe or truly does enjoy our session.

A PSE is a girl who gives me no holds barred bareback sex in every position imaginable, never complains about the sex and keeps coming back for more. I would not classify my session with Tina in any of those two categories.

If your idea of a GFE is only BB sex, then I can see how you classify it. Everyone has their own idea mate.

Cheers.

No, I wouldn't say my idea of a GFE is "only" BB sex. But, like you, I wouldn't consider anything a GFE or PSE if a condom is required. I read reports here and elsewhere where the poster characterizes a session as either a GFE or a PSE, yet a condom is required, sometimes even for BJ. Since your report did not, that is why I said it seemed closer to a real GFE or a real PSE, in my mind, than 99% of the others; virtually ALL of the reports that describe having to wear a condom.

I realize some men prefer to wear a condom and might even choose to do so with their actual girlfriend for various reasons. However, unless it is reported that the P4P girl graciously gave him the option of going BB or not before he "covered up", I would never go along with accepting a poster's characterization of such a session as (or a possible recommendation of the girl for) a GFE or PSE.

IMO, your description in the quote above merely makes a distinction between a great GFE/PSE and a minimal one.

[Goatscrot]

Got that urge again and headed over to T-Det on Saphan Kwai. This time it was 2:30 AM and the place was shutting down but they still let me in. There were a few customers lingering around but mostly the girls were sitting and chatting while getting changed. Yes, you heard that right. They were changing right inside the club area not in the change rooms. I spotted a real stunner with dyed blond hair, her Facebook photos attached. Immediately called the momason over to arrange the deal. Anyways, this girl would not go back to my place but agreed to use the ST hotel across the road. For reference, the ST room fee is included when you pay the bar the 2,500. In the room, mediocre blow job but that's not what I was there for. I wanted to tap that ass. I flipped her over and started with DATY. At first she was saying Maow which in Thai means no or don't want so I slowed my tongue strokes down and licked her slowly from top to bottom. This calmed her down and before I knew it, she was moving her pelvis up and down to match my tongue strokes. This kept up until she came violently. Then I mounted her in mish, no mention of a condom, but she started to complain about the pain from my dick. I grabbed some lube and flipped her over for some glorious doggy style action where I finished. What an ass on this girl. Her name was Tina photos attached from her Facebook as we still keep in touch. One with blonde hair all done up Japanese style cosplay and one more natural with a different hair style and colour. Not a GFE or PSE but I was just happy to tap such a gorgeous and sexy lady.

Just far and above what you see in the Farang entertainment areas.

[Member #4591]

I have just received a few requests for Tina's Facebook by PM. I want to be clear that if I don't know you from your extensive contributions to the Thailand forum or you have a proven history of massive contributions on another thread that impresses the shit out of me, I will not share any of the ladies contact info with you. Please don't bother sending the request. Thank you and I hope you all understand. I provide enough information for most people to track down the ladies in my posts on their own. For example, in my post about Tina, I provided her photo with 2 hair colours, name of the bar, and the location of the bar. That should be enough.

[Member #4591]

Funny, I would characterize that level of service as being closer to a real GFE or a real PSE than 99% of the other so-called GFE/PSE reports I read here. LOL. Guess that's what happens when we've all had different GirlFriends and watched different PornStar videos from which to draw our apparently quite subjective definitions.

I will tell you my idea of a GFE and a PSE. A GFE is a lady I can kiss and fuck bareback. A lady that never complains about me ducking her because it hurts and a lady who makes me believe or truly does enjoy our session.

A PSE is a girl who gives me no holds barred bareback sex in every position imaginable, never complains about the sex and keeps coming back for more. I would not classify my session with Tina in any of those two categories.

If your idea of a GFE is only BB sex, then I can see how you classify it. Everyone has their own idea mate.

Cheers.

[EihTooms]

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Then I mounted her in mish, no mention of a condom...

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Not a GFE or PSE but I was just happy to tap such a gorgeous and sexy lady.

Funny, I would characterize that level of service as being closer to a real GFE or a real PSE than 99% of the other so-called GFE/PSE reports I read here. LOL. Guess that's what happens when we've all had different GirlFriends and watched different PornStar videos from which to draw our apparently quite subjective definitions.

[Member #4591]

Got that urge again and headed over to T-Det on Saphan Kwai. This time it was 2:30 AM and the place was shutting down but they still let me in. There were a few customers lingering around but mostly the girls were sitting and chatting while getting changed. Yes, you heard that right. They were changing right inside the club area not in the change rooms. I spotted a real stunner with dyed blond hair, her Facebook photos attached. Immediately called the momason over to arrange the deal. Anyways, this girl would not go back to my place but agreed to use the ST hotel across the road. For reference, the ST room fee is included when you pay the bar the 2,500. In the room, mediocre blow job but that's not what I was there for. I wanted to tap that ass. I flipped her over and started with DATY. At first she was saying Maow which in Thai means no or don't want so I slowed my tongue strokes down and licked her slowly from top to bottom. This calmed her down and before I knew it, she was moving her pelvis up and down to match my tongue strokes. This kept up until she came violently. Then I mounted her in mish, no mention of a condom, but she started to complain about the pain from my dick. I grabbed some lube and flipped her over for some glorious doggy style action where I finished. What an ass on this girl. Her name was Tina photos attached from her Facebook as we still keep in touch. One with blonde hair all done up Japanese style cosplay and one more natural with a different hair style and colour. Not a GFE or PSE but I was just happy to tap such a gorgeous and sexy lady.

[Member #4591]

I guess that should have read "Khon Thai", meaning this is (size) of a Thai man (her demonstrating).

Yes maybe you are correct but the spelling is just mildly different. Cheers.

[Syzygies]

I'm really just normal size but she held up her pinky finger and said Khun Thai. I just laughed and tried to go slowly for her. Because of this, cow girl didn't work out to well so I flipped her over and finished BB doggy. What a thrill for me to do this young 20 year old with braces. Other than her complaint about some slight pain, it was a good encounter with a young girl with little to no inhibitions. She was really drunk so that must have helped.

I guess that should have read "Khon Thai", meaning this is (size) of a Thai man (her demonstrating).

[Member #4591]

Headed over to T-Det on Saphan Kwai. They are supposed to close at 2 AM but they turn the outside lights off and continue to oeprate. On this night there were about 30 girls. I chose WA Wa. This girl has worked in Hong Kong before in those hotels where punters can visit for 600 HKD (3,000 Baht) a pop. Her English was quite good so we got along nicely. Beautiful ass, blond dyed hair and nice bolt ONS. We flirted a little over beer and frenchfries and left about 3 AM. For others, the place was still going strong but you never know, on any given night the army or police will swoop in and force them to close. Back in the room she was a little shy. She told me it was because she was drunk. In HK, she never had to drink so she was not used to it and it was taking its toll. This started to worry me because in Sephan Kwai you must pay the bar the full fee. There is no bar fine and the lady gets all the money unless she wants to share some with the momason who introduced her to you. 2,500. Anyways, after her shower she came around and we had a very good session. Lots of positions and a good BBBJ. She had such a beautiful ass. 200 Baht taxi and I sent her on her way. She would have stayed the night but I had to wake up for a quick meeting at 7. There were good signs of a second pop in the morning if others are interested. This depends on the girl and YMMV. The girls can change here on any given day and they don't have numbers. So it's a crap shoot of who you will see on any given day. I like this.