Bangkok Reports

[Goatscrot]

I wasn't particularly horny tonight but had a free night from the current regulars, went out for a walk in the very pleasant weather and thought I'd stop in Thermae around 9:30 PM for a quick soda and look around. The Asian Customer River was flowing pretty thick in the usual circle around the bar about that time. I made two cruises around in the River, got several big smiles and nice comments as I passed both sides and, yes, also a few averted gazes as I smiled at some of the better looking girls, said "Hello" in Thai and got zero response in terms of a smile back or a verbal reply. No biggie. I was mostly there for the soda and people watching.

I planted myself in the middle of the bar, occasionally sipping my soda and realized a well put together girl on the left side kept working it to get my attention. She was sending me a smile and a nod but seemed to be trying to be very careful about not attracting attention from the Asian Customer River cruisers while doing it. Like she stepped back a bit in her position in the left side line up and did her best to keep this little facial communication between the two of us as private as possible. It was kind of cute, actually. Of course, a couple of times I checked behind and around me to make sure it was actually me that she was "talking" to instead of some dude standing behind me. I hate it when I make a funny face and smile back to a girl across the room and it turns out she isn't "talking" to me at all. LOL.

She wasn't what I'd consider among the top 5% best lookers in the bar. But she certainly fit right in on the left side as among the better lookers who are usually on that side. She had all the Left Side Thermae basics in order; young, tallish, light skin, slim, well proportioned, good, even facial features, well quaffed, upscale looking compared to most FLs in the general area.

Ok, I was more or less on my way out anyway so after about 10 minutes of this I walk over to say Hi. Again in a slightly conspiratorial style but loud enough for me to hear, she says her name is Jane, that she really likes me and assures me she is very good and will take good care of me. I had decided a few months ago that I would not take another Left Side Thermae girl unless I had negotiated everything within an inch of all our lives before taking her. But for whatever reason, this time I just did not feel like getting into the whole condom condom condom discussion on such a pleasant, relaxed evening with the weather so comfortable and all (I can fuck only without a condom). So I just smiled back and said ok. She said, "3,000 baht". I said 2,000. She said, "2,500". I said ok. I was now committed to "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" regarding anything and everything that could possibly provide a finish for me. That is, either BBFS+CIP or a BBBJ+CIM. It was just a good night to see if there was anyone in Thermae or strolling along the street worth adding to my regulars stable I suppose.

Anyway, the whole time on the short walk to get a taxi and the several minutes we were in the taxi she kept saying how much she likes hansum man, only takes one customer per night, so happy she met me, she will be very good to me, blah, blah, blah.

In the room, she sat on my couch, opened her purse and asked me for the 2,500 baht now. Nope. I'll pay after, jing jing, really. "Oh, please, please, please, I need to know I will get money." Again, such a relaxed and pleasant evening. God, but confrontations of this kind are so boring in this country. I just wanted to "go with the flow", eat her pussy and "see what happens" tonight. Ok, sweetheart, here's 1,000 baht for now. I'll give you the rest after we boom boom or you give me a blowjob. "Ok, good. Thank you. I like you. No problem. I will be good for you."

After we each showered, separately at my request since she wanted us to shower together (I am just not into sex in the shower and would rather avoid setting the stage for it), she came out wrapped in a towel and right away started with the condom condom condom talk. I told her well, I can't boom boom with a condom but I have had a vasectomy (said it in Thai) and always get a medical check. She said, "Oh no, can only boom boom with condom." I said no problem (and really meant it), then you can give me a blowjob, ok? Big smile, "Yes, I can suck you no condom. But must wear condom for boom boom" Oh, I understand. And you will finish me inside your mouth? "Yes, no problem. I want to make you happy. You are a good man and hansum. I like you very much. Suck no condom ok, but must wear condom for boom boom." Yes, got it, really, I am really ok with that. Then we don't need to talk about condoms anymore, right?

So this is going to be an Oral Sex session. I'm good with that. And, who knows, we're still in "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" mode. It could lead to her changing her mind about demanding a condom for boom boom. I've heard that happens a lot out there these days.

It didn't happen this time. She seemed to absolutely love DATY. So many of them do. Faking it? Maybe. But again it was, "Ohhh, you good man. You very good. I like you too much. " Then, "I suck you now. I want to make you happy."

Yep, you guessed it. She was totally incapable of coordinating the mouth and hand movements in the same direction instead of the Taffy Pull move where the hand is moving in one direction and her mouth is going in another. Totally incapable of slowing the goddam hell down. Totally incapable of giving a blowjob really. Or, more likely, totally incapable of wanting to give me a blowjob. After about 6-7 seemingly interminable minutes of trying to show her how to move her hand and mouth in the SAME DIRECTION rather than in opposite directions, asking her as gently as possible to please for the love of god slow down, she pulls out an unwrapped condom from somewhere nearby and says with a smile, "You put this on we boom boom, ok?" No, honey, I told you I cannot boom boom with a condom. "We boom boom if you wear condom." No, if I wear a condom I cannot boom boom. "You no want to boom boom?" Oh, I love to boom boom. But I cannot boom boom wearing a condom. No feeling. Dai mai (cannot). "I have condom. We boom boom ok? I want."

End of session. She showers and gets dressed. She is still so chirpy and happy I am certain she thinks I am going to give her another 1,500 baht to go along with the 1,000 baht I have already given her. But I am not going to do that. Eventually, as I am slipping on my shoes to walk her down to the front door of my apartment building, she says with a smile, "You give me money now?" Oh no, honey, we did not boom boom and you did not give me a blowjob or take good care of me. I gave you 1,000 baht for what we did (I ate her pussy to what seemed like a pretty damn good finish. Wish I'd been her to feel that.), I will give you more only if we boom boom or you give me a real blowjob the way I told you to give me. Silence. It was such a relief not to hear the word "condom" again. I was tempted to give her a 100 baht tip just for that. But I fought off the temptation and won.

I walked her down to the ground level of my building and out to the soi. She asked if I would walk her to an area where there were taxis. Being a gentleman, of course I would and did. During the whole 5-6 minute walk, she kept asking if I would give her more money, 300 baht, for a taxi. Or more money in general. I said no problem, I would be happy to give you more money, 1,500 baht more money plus taxi money if we boom boom or if you give me a blowjob to a finish and take good care of me like you said you would. She wouldn't budge and neither did I. Off she went in a taxi. I suppose this might be one night she did have to return to Thermae to pick up a second customer. Oh well. Still, getting 1,000 baht just to have your pussy licked by a good, hansum man isn't a bad way to make a living. The weather really was perfect for a nice walk tonight.

Kudos to you for sticking to your guns. If more punters did, we'd all have a much better time of it. Too many dudes would just pay her the 2500 and she'd continue to hock that poor skill set.

[Red Kilt]

Who the hell ever says "what dee cup" in English?

You dared to challenge Syzygies?

He has more than 12000 posts and he knows.

What are you thinking Smoothy?

[Turgid]

She said, "3,000 baht". I said 2,000. She said, "2,500". I said ok........................ She said, "Oh no, can only boom boom with condom." I said no problem (and really meant it)....... "Yes, I can suck you no condom. But must wear condom for boom boom" Oh, I understand..............Suck no condom ok, but must wear condom for boom boom." Yes, got it, really, I am really ok with that............ "You put this on we boom boom, ok?" No, honey, I told you I cannot boom boom with a condom. "We boom boom if you wear condom." No, if I wear a condom I cannot boom boom. ............. But I cannot boom boom wearing a condom. No feeling. Dai mai (cannot). .................... "You give me money now?" Oh no, honey, we did not boom boom ....... I gave you 1,000 baht for what we did.................

The aforementioned speaks for itself.

[Goatscrot]

Goatscrot, seems to me that for a man in your shoes, these changes shouldn't particularly affect you much.

In fact, as a trusted "local" you should be able to put together a nice stable of "regular" real "semi-pros" - who will probably be fairly happy with 1. 5 k baht and perhaps taxi money. One would think you would get that price simply because you're local, trusted and reliable. And perhaps have even developed friendships with some of these girls.

So a man in your position shouldn't really even have to bother with Thermae (and I agree with your characterization of how the place has changed. You're completely correct) . So.

Is it just "the call of the 'strange' " LOL.

Not to disparage any Asians or Asian-Americans but the 3-3-3 or 4--4-4 line gets chuckles from one Thermae girl I know. And her clientele is 99% Asian / Japanese. She's also afraid of too large a tool, so perhaps it's the other 3's and 4's that cause the chuckle.

Can also confirm that Thai face / culture dictates that if she doesn't really want to go with you then she will jack up the price (which is her way of letting you know she's not really interested, but leaving you "face".

The girl I know regularly does this to Asian customers too. I then asked her, but what if he's willing to pay it? Her answer is, then she has to go with him.

I always pay the going rate with this girl I know. I don't think she'd ever give me a discount. She has serious bills to pay / lifestyle to uphold and that's why she's there LOL.

But. Our time is never rushed. And I get BBFS, the catch being that I have to get her off too. Ever since the first time, when she was multi-orgasmic with me, now I have to compromise (almost follow her demands LOL) on positions, technique, etc when I'm doing her "just right". but LOL All in all, not an unfair bargain.

P.S. One time I was standing with her outside and another girl walked up, and the "talk" was that she had done 6 short times that night LOLOLOL.

So dick size aside, what's really meaningful here is 3 K for 3 minutes. (or ok, even 13 minutes).

Catire, Some dudes roll that way. I never have. When I first came to BKK and gals were really plentiful, I would rarely repeat. If I did repeat, it would be at least couple of months if not a few later. I could have a "regular" back home. I never saw the point of it.

I never had the want to "get to know" the P4 P gals I was doing. In 20 years I have never taken the contact information from any of the working gals I've banged. I want to choose, head to the room, have a PSE / GFE, shower, and be on my way. Like riding a roller coaster, "Gee, that was fun; let's go on a different ride. " The "regulars" I've had were oily gals and I would only do each of then once every 6 weeks to two months and that was only because the talent level started to slip. Some of my friends have been the stable of gals types. One guy used to refer to them as his "rotation." Even he eventually saw that dwindle and a few years back said he saw his rotation of many turn into a rotation of 1 and then a rotation of none.

Most of the time after a ST at the PB hotel back in the day, I'd pop up right after the deed (who wants to cuddle, you have to do that crap back home), hit the shower quickly before the gal, give her money, and be on my way, and she could shower and leave at her leisure. Jeez, many times we never even exchanged names and that was fine by me.

In addition, I have a live-in GF of over a decade that I am very fond of and whom I get along with amazingly well, so I don't invest time or a lot of effort in other gals. We don't keep tight reins on each other in the least, but don't think she'd like me having a mia-noi or even a regular.

The online thing takes a lot of time. I really don't have the temperament or patience for it. I know guys that spend hours and hours every week on Thai-Friendly and other sites. I honestly have better things to do with my time.

I've said it a million time on here. The beauty of Thailand was gals were cheap, plentiful, and easy. Minimal effort was required. Bangkok had a wonderful seediness and edge to it. It was rough and unpolished, not so developed. It was not a town full of fancy shopping malls. There was one Starbucks at Amarin Plaza. There were guys on fat expat packages, farang teachers here to bang gals and make a bit of scratch, a few of us early semi-retired dudes, a few random Japanese (most were confined to Soi Thaniya) and pretty much all of us doing chicks (as opposed to today where the majority of young western expats don't engage in P4P). You walked in a venue, walked down Sukhumvit after 9 pm, and gals would grab and proposition you. And it cost peanuts. Eating at the best restaurants in town cost about 25 USD. No one worried about staying long term as visas were easy. Always a lot of options. As long as you did not hurt anyone and did not get involved in drugs, you could stay and have a pretty easy time of it. You could live a five star life on a three star budget and that was the entire point of being here. It was a close to paradise as you could get. It is why we chose Thailand over other places. Sadly, all of that is over.

[Smoothy]

Yeh they get very used Farangs that cannot even pronounce Sawat Dee Khup. Its actually far closer if you say "What Dee Cup?" "Crap" does just not cut it and sounds quite silly.

Can be "Cup" or Crup but Crap is clearly bad pronunciation to the Thai listener, even if not to you. Subtle vowel changes are unnoticed in English, but destroy Thai words.

Farangs can't even pronounce Pattaya or Phuket.

Who the hell ever says "what dee cup" in English? "What the crap" is actually something people say in English and it works. The entire point is to use a phrase that people can remember. It may sound closer to the real term saying what dee cup, but that's not something someone easily identifies with. It's also not as funny to say and get away with. I often get a good laugh when I say what the crap and they think I am saying hello. Cheap humor.

I notice that when Thais who can speak English write the phrase, they put Sawat (or Sawas sometimes) dee krub. Krub? Doesn't sound that way to me though when they say it. Sometimes they put krap.

Also, to say "thank you" in Chinese, you can say "shit shit" quickly without annunciating.

[D Cups]

Farangs can't even pronounce Pattaya or Phuket.

Pa Thai ya and Poo kit, yes?

[Syzygies]

For those who don't know how to say Hello, in Thai, you say "so what the crap". The real thing is something like sawat dee krap, but if you say so what the crap, they think you are saying Hello,.

Yeh they get very used Farangs that cannot even pronounce Sawat Dee Khup. Its actually far closer if you say "What Dee Cup?" "Crap" does just not cut it and sounds quite silly.

Can be "Cup" or Crup but Crap is clearly bad pronunciation to the Thai listener, even if not to you. Subtle vowel changes are unnoticed in English, but destroy Thai words.

Farangs can't even pronounce Pattaya or Phuket.

[Syzygies]

(bold highlight is mine).

I can't say that has been my experience. I can probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times in my life, in Thailand and elsewhere, a girl who agreed to bareback with me said before the deed that I must pull out and not cum inside her. And I would include the times one said afterwards she thought I was going to pull out instead of cum inside her. I have had it said to me during negotiations well before we would have been in the room together, also maybe less than 4-5 times in my life. But I guess I am not counting those girls as "agreeing" to go bareback with me really. Just talking about it at that stage.

In my case almost all girls agreeing to bareback (I don't really have a very big sample LOL because generally happy with existing girls especially if BBFS), expect me to pull out (reducing chance of pregnancy), so clearly not having the vasecotomy is a critical factor, which I plan to rectify soon. Girls may well have birth control but it is never as reliable as vasectomy.

Thai girls are different to Farangs, because they take Birth control quite unreliably and also do not generally get abortions. So what happens with Farang girls is not very relevant. We all know Thai girls with babies that claimed they were using birth control.

[EihTooms]

That's a part of the bargain I have to accept and I do so willingly. Almost any girl that will agree to bareback will only do so if one pulls out.

Which makes perfect sense, considering the possibility of pregnancy (yes, yes I know it's hardly foolproof, etc) and Thai views on abortion (Buddhism will not allow it). Also makes sense from a health standpoint, as likelihood of catching something (particularly as the "receiver") ratchets up with ejaculation inside.

Of course if you're snipped, that changes the calculus and would probably change the calculus for her also, but I think it would be difficult for her to trust you on this meeting for the first time, etc.

one can also fund the purchase of the "morning after" pill, which I believe is widely available in almost every pharmacy, though I'm not sure the girls use these as much as they should.

(bold highlight is mine).

I can't say that has been my experience. I can probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times in my life, in Thailand and elsewhere, a girl who agreed to bareback with me said before the deed that I must pull out and not cum inside her. And I would include the times one said afterwards she thought I was going to pull out instead of cum inside her. I have had it said to me during negotiations well before we would have been in the room together, also maybe less than 4-5 times in my life. But I guess I am not counting those girls as "agreeing" to go bareback with me really. Just talking about it at that stage.

[EihTooms]

You did the right thing.

Wondering, how much would you have paid after, if not paid 1 k already?

Good question. No doubt, I would have given her 1,000 baht for the time we were together and what we did. If she had been more convincing about following my blissfully simple instructions and trying to give me a competent BJ instead of giving me the niggling impression she was just stalling and goofing around in hopes that I would suddenly become capable of slipping on the open package condom she had hidden nearby somewhere and proceed with a covered FS, I probably would have given her the entire 2,500 baht for her effort even if she still proved to be incapable of doing it competently.

Bottom line, we both were naked and rubbing around on each other, I had my tongue inside and all around her pussy, she had my dick in her mouth, licking my balls, etc. We were together for at least 30 minutes. 1,000 baht. And the door isn't totally closed for her to change her mind the next time she sees me strolling through Thermae. But, if that time ever comes, I will be covering every detail with her in Thermae and assuring her I will not pay her anything at all if she isn't telling me the truth about changing her mind. Nothing. No joke, sweetheart. No 1,000 baht for a repeat of what we did last night.

[BkkVistor77]

Hi all,

Lurker here, thought it was time for report.

I was in BKK last month and will be back again soon for business.

First stop was Snow White Massage on Soi 26. I've been there before, pretty average looking girls, mostly mids 30's and up. I choose a younger looking girl, don't remember her name sorry, and thought she was cute until unfortunately I saw she had braces. I paid for the BJ and Massage one hour service. She took me upstairs, showered me and proceeded to give me an amazing BBBJ, basically one hour of amazing oral work, she was even blowing my mind by sucking my toes and feet while wanking me, really really. Snow White may not have the best looking girls, but they are amazing at what they do.

I also went to Kasalong Blow Job bar, can't remember her name, MILF with a nice looking body, gave me a good BBBJ, a bit too much teeth but still CIM and was pretty damn good, worth the 800 or 900 plus 300 tip Baht. Good and very friendly service.

I also went to Paradise Massage on Soi 22, I choose the 2 girls, blowjob massage. I choose one cute looking younger girl and then the mamasan kinda forced the 2nd one on me, wasn't a great service to be honest. Girls seemed bored and not great at their job. Both girls pretty average looking, and average service, would not repeat.

[Catire]

Yeah, I am never happy with pulling out. I'd rather save that shot for the next girl, even the next night.

That's a part of the bargain I have to accept and I do so willingly. Almost any girl that will agree to bareback will only do so if one pulls out.

Which makes perfect sense, considering the possibility of pregnancy (yes, yes I know it's hardly foolproof, etc) and Thai views on abortion (Buddhism will not allow it). Also makes sense from a health standpoint, as likelihood of catching something (particularly as the "receiver") ratchets up with ejaculation inside.

Of course if you're snipped, that changes the calculus and would probably change the calculus for her also, but I think it would be difficult for her to trust you on this meeting for the first time, etc.

one can also fund the purchase of the "morning after" pill, which I believe is widely available in almost every pharmacy, though I'm not sure the girls use these as much as they should.

[Gargano19]

I walked her down to the ground level of my building and out to the soi. She asked if I would walk her to an area where there were taxis. Being a gentleman, of course I would and did. During the whole 5-6 minute walk, she kept asking if I would give her more money, 300 baht, for a taxi. Or more money in general. I said no problem, I would be happy to give you more money, 1,500 baht more money plus taxi money if we boom boom or if you give me a blowjob to a finish and take good care of me like you said you would. She wouldn't budge and neither did I. Off she went in a taxi. I suppose this might be one night she did have to return to Thermae to pick up a second customer. Oh well. Still, getting 1,000 baht just to have your pussy licked by a good, hansum man isn't a bad way to make a living. The weather really was perfect for a nice walk tonight.

You did the right thing.

Wondering, how much would you have paid after, if not paid 1 k already?

[EihTooms]

Mr. Tooms, I would have wagered a fair amount of money on your Thermae "go with flow" outcome and come out the winner.

Oh, Catire, I would have bet 5,000 baht from the moment she took my hand in the bar and said she was "very good, I will do good for you, I like you, I want to make you happy" that we were not going to fuck bareback and she probably would not or could not finish a proper BJ this night. LOL. But at that point there was zero money at risk for me, I had nothing better to do, whether or not we had sex was of no serious concern to me and I really did not feel in the mood to talk about much of anything with her. I was fine with taking her at her word that she was going to "make me happy" with, at that point, no money risk from my side of it if she didn't.

Even when it got to the moment in the room where she asked me to Pay Upfront and would not drop it and move on without Pay Upfront (a huge warning flag), a quick calculation in my mind determined that 1,000 baht to spend 30 minutes rolling around naked with this girl, eat her pussy, possibly fuck bareback or at least find out what the inside of her mouth felt like to my dick was a risk worth taking. Hell, I would have spent 1,000 baht bar hopping in 3-4 Nana Plaza bars on just my drinks and tips without buying 1 ladydrink. And I didn't feel like doing that on this night.

One really nice girl I got from there, is an actual "freelancer" and I have only seen her in there that one time that we met. She's not a regular, as are 90% of the girls in there. (certainly on left side). For whatever reason she seemed to really like me and went out of her way to actually approach me / sidle up to me.

I told her could not function with condom, she said ok, but "finish outside'. Deal. That was a very very nice session. She was happy, I was happy. Last time I was in town I called her but she told me she was only free on Thursday night and we didn't touch base again.

The other one, that I have written about (the one quite popular with Japanese, and she's always on left side, in the back, ,was completely insistent on condom but for whatever reason I managed to make her feel comfortable with me and the real time Oraquik test did the trick (I tested us both). I showed her the outcomes, explained with Google on laptop, etc etc and only then did she agree. But that outcome was completely against all odds. BTW, she is really good at blowjobs, admittedly not something most Thai girls do well. I think her initial attitude was even a covered BJ. It was by some divine providence that I didn't just walk away from her, as I would have done with pretty much every girl given such attitude / views.

I'd never go with flow with any Thai working girl (if no condom is important to you) , your odds are less than 1 in 10. And as I've mentioned, I don't blame the girl (s) one bit, so I never pressure.

Yeah, I am never happy with pulling out. I'd rather save that shot for the next girl, even the next night.

And all that stuff with the HIV test was definitely not what I was in the mood for last night. I wasn't even in the mood to negotiate any behavior or particular service at all. I was fine with letting her do all the "negotiation", fine with taking her at her word that she was very good, was going to be very good to me and wanted to make me happy. LOL. My position in the bar and in my room was, fine, if that happens I will give you 2,500 baht. The only reason I talked about the money upfront in the bar was because she brought it up. If she had also brought up anything about requiring a condom, won't do this or that, can't do this or that etc I would have told her what my requirements or needs are. But she didn't.

Bare in mind, this was a very relaxed, near zero event to me in terms of confrontation, money risk, the gamble I was taking, whatever. Not getting what I would have paid 2,500 baht for but only getting what I might have agreed to pay 1,000 baht for with that girl even if we'd negotiated hard for an hour in the bar to get to that compromise was also fine with me. I had nothing better to do with my time and 1,000 baht last night anyway.

There was something else that happened in Thermae last night that I did not mention in my main report. On the first of those two Asian Customer River cruises I took around the bar, I was seen and nabbed by a cute girl in the back of the room that I DID negotiate everything I wanted with upfront in the bar a few months ago. At that time it was No and No to either one of my two options. So I did not take her. I had completely forgotten about her and for a moment last night wasn't sure why she recognized me until she reminded me we'd met there and talked a while back.

But last night she pulled me close and said "I am ok to do whatever you want now." Unfortunately for her I wasn't inspired to take her last night so I said, "Great. Maybe next time." I had just spent a couple of days with a girl very similar to her type and I wasn't looking for more of the same for now. LOL. So, the concept that whatever I did with a girl here might not go well for me tonight but, no big deal, there is always the next time was also in my mind and made "going with the flow to see what happens in the room" even less of a risk and gamble. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the girl I took last night and walked her out of my apartment with only 1,000 baht instead of 2,500 baht because she did not deliver on her sales pitch flags me over again some night and says, "Yes to whatever you want" at that time. It has turned out that way many times in many different venues. Even in Thermae.

[Smoothy]

the real time Oraquik test did the trick (I tested us both).

Those tests aren't cheap. I think they are like $40 usd each now.