Stupid shit in Medellin

[JustTK]

If you proposed money for sex with my woman, the only person losing dignity would be you when she slapped you in the face.

I have an even better idea. Why don't you propose in front of her bother and father, and we will see what happens then?

Then we agree. Paying a girl money for sex has nothing to do with dignity. I am glad you rolled back on that position.

[Nounce]

... The parents are the resources needed.....

That is what I am saying if I understand you correctly. I brought this up under the context of the discussion of capitalism. It seems what you are saying is the Bill Gates will still be the same if he was brought up in the same condition as your daughter.

[Elvis 2008]

Just to show you how stupid that is. Lets say I fucked your GF. If I offered her more money than you, would that mean I was showing her more dignity than you?

If you proposed money for sex with my woman, the only person losing dignity would be you when she slapped you in the face.

I have an even better idea. Why don't you propose in front of her bother and father, and we will see what happens then?

[Mr Enternational]

The first school, annual expenditure per student per year, $10 k. The second school spent $5.5 k per year per student. First one has a graduation rate of 89%, compared to 57% for the other.

In which direction would you send your money? Investing money in inner city schools where you know it will be wasted is not a smart investment. You have seen the same thing with the projects. Put money in and build a new playground or paint the walls and the people do not take care of it. Say we will make a program called Section 8 where folks can move to a nice area and the government pays for most if not all, and the owner's home is destroyed. It may not be politically correct, but it is the truth.

In a poor neighborhood teacher pay is much lower, everything about the school receives less funding. The best teachers seek the best pay at the best schools. Better teachers equals better students, equals better accreditation scores, equals increased funding, equals better teachers, ad infinitum.

I do not know where you live, but where I am from there is a pay scale. No teacher in the same district with the same level of experience but at a different school makes a different amount of money. And even when I attended private school, I remember the public school teachers making more.

In the inner-city schools we could not gives students a bad grade because as you said the school is worried about the rankings and funding. The principal would send that shit right back to you to change it. Recently in my state a teacher blew the whistle on that shit. It was nothing new to folks inside because it has been going on for decades.

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How does one get to be a best teacher? Mostly by having students that do their part. If you have students that bullshit around and whose parents are not going to make sure they go to school and do their work, then there is no hope on being labeled a "best teacher".

Students enter school pliant, ready to learn, to be molded into successful adults. If 1 group of students are always exposed to teachers who are financially stressed and unhappy with their job, how will they grow compared to students with teachers who are comfortable and happy with their position?

Of course parenting plays a role, but it's the same deal. Stressed parents, broken homes, surrounded by poverty, it's a lot harder to inspire your children.

Man have you ever been inside of a school? Students pliant ready to learn? Not at all. Working at a school is like herding cats. Working at an inner city school is like herding feral cats. My parents were stressed and divorced, but that did not stop them from making sure I did what I had to do on an academic level. Me and my 4 brothers and sister all have college degrees. Me and my sister have masters degrees. My nephew finished 4 years of the university in 2 years last year and just finished the police academy last month. It had nothing to do with teachers, and everything to do with my brother raising him to do what needed to be done.

Too many folks have the game messed up. Even my mom wanted to get a tutor for my daughter. Her school (my rival high school) was full of great teachers and resources. As much as I tried to explain to my mom that it has nothing to do with her not understanding the material, but everything about her not going to school and not doing her work, it just went over my mom's head. Prescribing a tutor for someone not going to school and not doing their work is like a librarian prescribing novocaine when your car has a flat tire.

There are some fat ass people running around here yet nobody is blaming the school lunch lady. You can present to them all the healthy meals in school that you want, but if they go home and all they eat is junk, then it ain't because there are no good lunch ladies. It is the parents' fault for allowing it. The same as if a mf first even comes to school, but does not go home and work on their assignments so they can learn the material, it ain't the teacher's fault. It is the parents' fault for not making sure their kids are doing what they are supposed to so that they can be molded into successful adults as you put it.

These days being a teacher in most of these schools is a thankless job. You have to really want to be there if that is the career you have chosen. Me myself, I was like fuck that shit.

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[JjBee62]

That was the whole idea of my response. It is because in the richer school districts there are parents that care. Good parents make good students, which in turn make good schools. The school does not make the students, the students make the school. You said it yourself!

Is this a common lifestyle in the bad schools? No! You did not say the schools did all these things for the students; you said the parents did them! The parents are the resources needed.

The moment you hear a mf say well I went to school everyday and I did all of my assignments, but I still failed out, that is the day that the schools are problem. First questions that should be asked when someone talks about a bad school is did the student go to class everyday and did they complete all of their assignments. If the answer is yes, then the school would be the problem. If the answer is no then one has to look at the man in the mirror, not the mirror itself. The school is only the reflection of the students that attend it.

You take an A1 school and take all the students out and put all students from the worst school in, you are not going to make A1 students; you are just going to make a bad school.

I just looked up 2 schools I'm familiar with. I delivered food to both for a few years. One is in an affluent suburb, the other in the inner city. The inner city school has been shutdown.

The first school, annual expenditure per student per year, $10 k. The second school spent $5.5 k per year per student. First one has a graduation rate of 89%, compared to 57% for the other.

The first school is more like a college campus than a high school, everything top notch. The second was falling down, building 100 years old, neither air nor heat worked as that district couldn't afford to repair them.

Looking in the parking lots, one school's teachers are driving mostly new cars, with a good mix of luxury models. The other parking lot is mostly cars 8-10 years old or older.

This state determines school district funding 2 ways. One is tied to property taxes, the other is determined by accreditation scores. In a poor neighborhood teacher pay is much lower, everything about the school receives less funding. The best teachers seek the best pay at the best schools. Better teachers equals better students, equals better accreditation scores, equals increased funding, equals better teachers, ad infinitum.

Students enter school pliant, ready to learn, to be molded into successful adults. If 1 group of students are always exposed to teachers who are financially stressed and unhappy with their job, how will they grow compared to students with teachers who are comfortable and happy with their position?

Of course parenting plays a role, but it's the same deal. Stressed parents, broken homes, surrounded by poverty, it's a lot harder to inspire your children.

[The Cane]

That was the whole idea of my response. It is because in the richer school districts there are parents that care. Good parents make good students, which in turn make good schools. The school does not make the students, the students make the school. You said it yourself! Is this a common lifestyle in the bad schools? No! You did not say the schools did all these things for the students; you said the parents did them! The parents are the resources needed.

Three basic things make for a good school. An excellent faculty, strong students, and top-notch facilities where they can come together to engage in teaching, learning, research, and service. That's what makes for a good academic institution. And what makes for strong students? As you say, it's parents who care, and even better yet, parents who care with some money to invest in their children's education, including allowing access to expensive preparatory materials that increase the odds of academic success. As somebody who spent years in higher education at some of the best public and private schools in the United States, these are things that I know to be true from direct experience. I took the time to write those essays (and more) Mr. E! LMAO LOL!

[Mr Enternational]

Then my question to you is why the richer school districts has better students than the poor school districts? This is a common life style in one of the best high school in my state where I come from.

Harvard is not in the business of making good students. If they were then they could just take the first 1000 students that apply. Instead they have stringent criteria for the people wishing to enter the school. Criteria of entering students that they have noticed makes the school good. I remember getting ready to apply to Harvard and they required 5 essays to be written with the application. I was like fuck that. Yeah I was the type of mf they were trying to weed out; a mf that would have come there without the highest standards. The people that were willing to put in the work on those 5 essays and reflect good on the school is what they were looking for, not a mf that was going to try to skate through.

[Mr Enternational]

Then my question to you is why the richer school districts has better students than the poor school districts?

That was the whole idea of my response. It is because in the richer school districts there are parents that care. Good parents make good students, which in turn make good schools. The school does not make the students, the students make the school. You said it yourself!

I am talking about parents who are take their kid to school at 5 in the morning for sport practice. To play in a basketball game at 8 PM, then took the kids to a tutoring class at 10 PM to finish homework after the basketball game and many after activities. This is a common life style in one of the best high school in my state where I come from.

Is this a common lifestyle in the bad schools? No! You did not say the schools did all these things for the students; you said the parents did them! The parents are the resources needed.

The moment you hear a mf say well I went to school everyday and I did all of my assignments, but I still failed out, that is the day that the schools are problem. First questions that should be asked when someone talks about a bad school is did the student go to class everyday and did they complete all of their assignments. If the answer is yes, then the school would be the problem. If the answer is no then one has to look at the man in the mirror, not the mirror itself. The school is only the reflection of the students that attend it.

You take an A1 school and take all the students out and put all students from the worst school in, you are not going to make A1 students; you are just going to make a bad school.

[Nounce]

... Look at some of these videos online of how students are acting in class. It is not about resources. It is about responsibility, discipline, and accountability. Sending 8 more computers to a school is not going to make Einsteins out of students whose parents don't give a shit. They have to actually sit down and read a book and put pen to paper. The shit takes work. It is not a mystery.

Then my question to you is why the richer school districts has better students than the poor school districts?

I am not talking about things like computers. I am talking about parents who are take their kid to school at 5 in the morning for sport practice. To play in a basketball game at 8 PM, then took the kids to a tutoring class at 10 PM to finish homework after the basketball game and many after activities. This is a common life style in one of the best high school in my state where I come from.

[JustTK]

I quoted the exact definition of socialism. Those are not even my words. You are the one who is making up definitions.

And your inconsistency astonishes me. Did you own the business or did the workers?

Elvis, it amzaes me that you clearly know zero about socialism yet you state your views so authoratively.

"I quoted the exact definition" - You think there is only one definition of socialism on the internet? Good grief man. Where did you look, the official Repuplican website? Try this one:

"In socialist society power is in the hands of the working people, headed by the working class. They own the means of production. ".

https://www.marxists.org/subject/eco...pe/pe-ch28.htm

As I told you before, state ownership of everything is a form of communism, not socialism. Under socialism a government would provide public services and often own public utilities and resources. For the people. I suggest you do some studying before before forming your views on socialism. Then you can share them too.

Yes, China is all state in reality. It mimics capitalism to sucker people in.

And China was dirt poor. It adopted private ownership and the country saw its wealth explode. Now they are tightening things up again and are going to get killed. You do not see what is happening.

Utter nonsense again. Just to give you a modern example. Tiktok - under Chinese ownership yet it is a platform that is banned in China. Why would the Chinese Govt own a platofrm and then ban it? Ownership rights are protected under Article 39 of The Property Law of China.

Yes, there is some of that but that is against the 4th amendment, and there are those of us screaming about our government doing just that. And even when it does take something of value, it does or is supposed to do so using the law of eminent domain, the right of a government or its agent to expropriate private property for public use, with payment of compensation.

What about the US seizure of Russian assets? Its freezing of bank accounts. It acts with total impunity. And furthermore, who sets the law?? China make make its own law and sieze property, just like Venezuela did. But its ok when USA does it, but its not okay according the Law of Elvis when someone else does it that you don't like.

How can you be championing "the worker" and then paying sex workers such a pittance? How come you are not advocating for the "sex worker" getting more money and blasting guys bragging about how little they pay? How come you do not think paying so little affects sex workers and their dignity? You do not have to answer. I know the reason.

Actually a street sex worker epitomises socialism. He / she owns his / her own means of production. Having a pimp would make it capitalism. I don't pay any girl a pittance, I pay them more than the market rate. And I don't set the market rate. That is set by Colombian clients and workers in the Colombian economy. And I don't judge treating people with dignity to be measured by how much I pay them. Just to show you how stupid that is. Lets say I fucked your GF. If I offered her more money than you, would that mean I was showing her more dignity than you?

It is very clear to me that it is you that does NOT respect sex workers, bcos you think money can buy you everything.

[Elvis 2008]

Elvis, it astonishes me how you can speak with so much authority on almost every issue yet your ignorance seems to know no bounds. I beseech you to look up what socialism means. Corporate ownership by the workers. You clearly cannot even tell the difference between socialism and communism.

I quoted the exact definition of socialism. Those are not even my words. You are the one who is making up definitions.

And your inconsistency astonishes me. Did you own the business or did the workers?

Terrific. I gave you 50% private ownership as a gift in this conversation, but you won't even accept that. Ok, so according to you, China is all state. So based on economic growth over past 30-40 years, China wins hands down, state ownership wins hands down. Thanks for making my case..

So you admit to making up the 50%? LOL. Yes, China is all state in reality. It mimics capitalism to sucker people in.

And China was dirt poor. It adopted private ownership and the country saw its wealth explode. Now they are tightening things up again and are going to get killed. You do not see what is happening.

And why do you have such double standards? Don't you know that USA also takes your assets whenever it wants?

Yes, there is some of that but that is against the 4th amendment, and there are those of us screaming about our government doing just that. And even when it does take something of value, it does or is supposed to do so using the law of eminent domain, the right of a government or its agent to expropriate private property for public use, with payment of compensation.

Don't you know that USA has such huge loopholes in its accounting law that huge banks and investment companies can go bust overnight?

Yes, that is called capitalism. Do you have a better accounting system than the American one? Obviously, you have not looked at China's.

You use an appropriate word here my "choice". So why do you judge me on *your* choice when it is clearly *my* choice? And what does that have to do with dignity? Please explain how a person's choice of sex worker impacts upon that person's ability to treat said sex worker with dignity?

How can you be championing "the worker" and then paying sex workers such a pittance? How come you are not advocating for the "sex worker" getting more money and blasting guys bragging about how little they pay? How come you do not think paying so little affects sex workers and their dignity? You do not have to answer. I know the reason.

What cracks me up about this is the guys with all the virtue signaling are the cheapest ones on the forum.

[JustTK]

You do not even get what socialism is: socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. You CANNOT own a business in a socialist society. Do you even know what that word means? Talk about ignorant.

Elvis, it astonishes me how you can speak with so much authority on almost every issue yet your ignorance seems to know no bounds. I beseech you to look up what socialism means. Corporate ownership by the workers. You clearly cannot even tell the difference between socialism and communism.

There is no 50-50 ownership. Foreigners cannot buy land and the stock sold by Chinese companies, are called VIE which confer no ownership. The Chinese government can take your shares all at once, and Chinese accounting standards are a joke. The one thing China had going for it, cheap labor, is no longer cheap. Mexico has cheaper labor. China is a ponzi scheme that is going to fall down in my lifetime.

Terrific. I gave you 50% private ownership as a gift in this conversation, but you won't even accept that. Ok, so according to you, China is all state. So based on economic growth over past 30-40 years, China wins hands down, state ownership wins hands down. Thanks for making my case.

And why do you have such double standards? Don't you know that USA also takes your assets whenever it wants? Don't you know that USA has such huge loopholes in its accounting law that huge banks and investment companies can go bust overnight?

And your choice of sex worker and the company you keep here reflects that you do not treat workers with dignity.

You use an appropriate word here my "choice". So why do you judge me on *your* choice when it is clearly *my* choice? And what does that have to do with dignity? Please explain how a person's choice of sex worker impacts upon that person's ability to treat said sex worker with dignity?

[Mtndew704]

They are not exactly the most desired women..

I'm in long term relationship with a Dominican woman here in my town and she's the mother of my child. I went to jail on a probation violation stemming from marijuana trafficking case I had a few years back.

[Elvis 2008]

All developed economies are "mixed economies" with both socialist and capitalist features. Show me an electable conservative outside of some fringe local election that's against Social Security and Medicare, student loans, public parks, public education, anti-trust measures, building codes and fire safety, etc. , etc. , all which is socialism.

No, that is not true. Look at the Heritage ratings. The four criteria of economic freedom are rule of law, government size, regulatory efficiency, and open markets. https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking.

Social security is a system the citizen pays into. Student loans are made by private companies. Anti-trust measures are in place for economic freedom. And capitalism does not mean there can be NO public ownership.

A number of western Euro countries have heavy elements of democratic socialism, especially the Scandinavian and are quite successful.

Nordic countries are labeled as more economically free than the USA. https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking.

You are not going to have a prosperous economy without rule of law, private ownership, a fair regulatory system, and open markets. China is #154 on the list which is a strong indicator it is going down.

I think you are mistaking high taxes and extensive social programs as socialism. The issue conservatives have with taxes are their inefficiencies. It is having to pay school taxes but the public schools are so shitty you have to home school or send your kids to private schools for example. It is not paying taxes I object to but the abysmal return I see on them. The Nordic nations get a much better return on the taxes they pay when it comes to education.

[Mtndew704]

You just said you don't fuck scam artists. But still scared to bring them back to your place?

If its a normal chick I met somewhere in the city and she's got a real job then yeah no problem. But a random chica who's only job is sucking dick? The $5 love motel down the street will do just fine. I also have a Dominican girl here in the states so TLNs have little interest to me these days.