Pattaya Reports

[GatorAk]

Bangkok, expensive? Compared to what? Still amazing value for hotels and food.

Personally prefer Bangkok over Pattaya. I will be in Thailand starting December 17th for 19 days, with 12 of those days in Bangkok. One week in Pattaya is just the right amount.

[MickeyDuck1208]

Thanks fellas for the replies and DMs. Very helpful, will update on the places and action after the trip.

For the DMs on meet-up, I will reply back once my bookings are done.

Safe mongering!!

1. No the English is not any better in general. Expect plenty of Google translate. I have met a couple girls in the GoGos that do have good English, usually have had a farang boyfriend.

2. Can call Bolt to get around, traffics can be pretty bad on the north end of Beach Road due to constant construction.

Great location if you want to be away from it all. Not sure how much walking you like but it's not even convenient to walk from that hotel to catch a baht bus at Dolphin round. I assume you're trying to use Marriot points but in Pattaya you're kind of out of luck if you want to be near action. Any hotel along the main baht bus route is doable. In Pattaya there are 3 main action spots, Walking Street, LK Metro / Treetown, and Soi 6. All 3 are easily accessible from the main baht bus route. Can traffic be bad. Yes especially during high season. It is especially bad south of Central Festival heading towards Walking Street. It's bearable from Soi 6 north to Dolphin round on both 2nd Road and Beach Road.

Most girls speak English quite well in Pattaya. Conversation is extremely important to me too if I plan on spending more than an hour with a girl. If I need to use Google Translate she's out unless it's just a quick bang on Soi 6 or a G Club. Best English is likely among the gogo girls. Of course if you are seeking girls over 22 they've been around long enough to all speak English.

Google translator works well. You may find few speaking well but most don't.

If you can walk a bit, you can catch tuktuk to soi lane.

A few months ago I stayed a bit north of your Marriot Courtyard and I took advantage of the frequent free shuttles to and from the action.

Bringing a girl from central Pattaya to my hotel was not practical, so I ended up renting dismal short term rooms. Next visit I'll stay somewhere between Soi 6 and Walking Street.

[Goatscrot]

I concur with what you said, that's why was taken back when people said they are paying 300 bhats. In my knowledge it's 1200 + 300 fine for ST upstairs.

Within a year I have seen fine raised from 500 bhats last year in one bar 11 pm to around 1250 bhats.

Bangkok still seems cheaper in terms of barfine but may catch up soon, though the city itself is damn expensive.

Bangkok, expensive? Compared to what? Still amazing value for hotels and food.

[Mogwai]

I have so many Line contacts with never-met non-pro potential holiday girlfriends that I don't remember who is who.

That's why I usually delete never-met girls, and make notes about the ones I did meet.

[Raj Patela]

Yep, both of you understood my post correctly.

Obviously I'm talking about barfine with taking the girl out of the bar for a big part or the day or the whole day or night, not the ST session upstairs.

I know the price of barfines in Nightwish, a tier price consisting in 2 K (from Monday to Thursday) and 2,5 K from Friday to Sunday (both of these are prices before 10 pm).

From 10 pm it drops to 1250 bahts or 1500 bahts depending on the day.

From midnight it drops to 800 or 1 K depending on the day.

Take in consideration that some bars close at midnight, some others at 1 am and some others at 2 am so the hours might differ depending on the closing time of the said bar.

These quotes were comfirmed by girls that I know well in Playpen, Utopia or 3 Angels near 2nd road.

You find these prices different to WS? Last trip in May I was in Iron and asked for barfine for ST past midnight, it was 1250 to the bar plus 2 K for the girl (I didn't pull the trigger).

Price for the girl is the most astonishing to me, I've heard 4 K in 3 Angels, 4 K in Poison (not even a good looking girl, BTW barfine is 2 K there and she asked 2 K for ST upstairs), 5 K from one of my repeat girl from this trip near Beach road side (she is not a bullshit girl so I believe her, and she told me she's been barfined a few times already).

When the girl told me 5 K + 2 K I asked her "and guys are paying these prices? She said of course, and looked at me like saying "you think I'm not worth it or what?

Now for ST I've rejected a lot of girls who are trying to start their pricing at 1500 and are not considering anything lower than that, if I feel like the girl is worth it I'll pay it but these girls were not worth it in my mind (either in looks or attitude, or I could feel the session would not be great upstairs). Other girls can easily ask for 2 K, these are the ones that take you for a sucker or girls that are eighteen year old.

Now both of you (or others on the ground), do your own researches, ask these girls price of BF plus what she expects to get for a night out (even if you're not intending to BF them), come back and report here and we'll see if what I've been quoted is different to what you're hearing, and in which bar precisely.

Last thing is that a lot of girls are getting barfined in the soi, which means a lot of guys are really paying these prices. We just don't realise it on this board because discussions are always polluted by cheap charlies boasting about their 1000 bahts TF trophies like they found a real gem in a sea full of shit, but a lot of guys are spending big bucks in the soi and girls and bar owners are catching up with that reality.

I personnaly don't think the trend will stop anytime soon, given the number of young K-dudes or Chinese dudes roaming the soi every day.

I understand it's a chess game between customers, girls and bar owners, but I personnaly think these two categories of customers are a big part in this up-pricing trend.

Just have a look at how many of these girls are completely uninterrested to anything that doesn't look like a guy from one of these two categories, it's not a personnal preference from the girl, it's just that these guys are the easiest targets these days.

I did not realize taking a Sou 6 or WS girl Long Time was so complicated. I don't do it.

Right now I'm in shock after seeing the Flat girls in Fahrenheit the other night. Is that what Baitoey looks like Nekkid. Hahaha. Hahaha.

[HorseTrader]

2. Going with my laziness, I prefer to be close to the action place. Was considering Marriott Courtyard (north pattaya), but looks a tad far from the Soi clubs I want to visit. Is traffic as bad or is it easy to get to the hotel?

A few months ago I stayed a bit north of your Marriot Courtyard and I took advantage of the frequent free shuttles to and from the action.

Bringing a girl from central Pattaya to my hotel was not practical, so I ended up renting dismal short term rooms. Next visit I'll stay somewhere between Soi 6 and Walking Street.

[Mr Enternational]

BTW, just a general note to all, offering and paying money for sex to anyone under the age of 18 is illegal in Thailand. However, sex for love, sport or mere curiosity with someone (with their free consent) over the age of 15 is legal in Thailand. But not if the deal is for money, unless they are over age 18.

Is this really true? I told a story before about a young US Marine meeting a 16 year old onlin a couple years ago and him and his colleague hooking up with her and her friend. Her father found out and the guys were in deep shit. My buddy was called in by the Marines to translate a negotiation in the middle of the night. The US government had to pay I think $75,000 to the father to get those guys off the hook.

So that is where the mamasan and the bar are taking a risk in demanding ALL of the money for the girl to have sex with a customer be paid to them upfront in the bar rather than just the barfine.

So how do the soapies get away with it?

[SandyBaby]

Google translator works well. You may find few speaking well but most don't.

If you can walk a bit, you can catch tuktuk to soi lane.

Hey mongers. Hope you are all boom booming well.

Have a short window (3-4 days) for a solo mongering trip. I have done BKK several times, was looking at Pattaya but wanted to see how a couple of points compare.

1. Conversation is important for me, during the pick up and after, have struggled a bit in places like Thermae, Fiwfans when the girl does not speak English but looks good and sexy. Have found spas and Nana plaza ones to be better at talking, but I am lazy and prefer to get to the job quick. Generally speaking, is English more widely spoken in Pattaya being a clubbing destination?

2. Going with my laziness, I prefer to be close to the action place. Was considering Marriott Courtyard (north pattaya), but looks a tad far from the Soi clubs I want to visit. Is traffic as bad or is it easy to get to the hotel?

3. Looking at the week of Nov 13 - first round drinks on me if anyone wants to hang out.

Safe mongering!!

[SandyBaby]

I concur with what you said, that's why was taken back when people said they are paying 300 bhats. In my knowledge it's 1200 + 300 fine for ST upstairs.

Within a year I have seen fine raised from 500 bhats last year in one bar 11 pm to around 1250 bhats.

Bangkok still seems cheaper in terms of barfine but may catch up soon, though the city itself is damn expensive.

Yep, both of you understood my post correctly.

Obviously I'm talking about barfine with taking the girl out of the bar for a big part or the day or the whole day or night, not the ST session upstairs.

I know the price of barfines in Nightwish, a tier price consisting in 2 K (from Monday to Thursday) and 2,5 K from Friday to Sunday (both of these are prices before 10 pm).

From 10 pm it drops to 1250 bahts or 1500 bahts depending on the day.

From midnight it drops to 800 or 1 K depending on the day.

Take in consideration that some bars close at midnight, some others at 1 am and some others at 2 am so the hours might differ depending on the closing time of the said bar.

These quotes were comfirmed by girls that I know well in Playpen, Utopia or 3 Angels near 2nd road.

You find these prices different to WS? Last trip in May I was in Iron and asked for barfine for ST past midnight, it was 1250 to the bar plus 2 K for the girl (I didn't pull the trigger).

Price for the girl is the most astonishing to me, I've heard 4 K in 3 Angels, 4 K in Poison (not even a good looking girl, BTW barfine is 2 K there and she asked 2 K for ST upstairs), 5 K from one of my repeat girl from this trip near Beach road side (she is not a bullshit girl so I believe her, and she told me she's been barfined a few times already).

When the girl told me 5 K + 2 K I asked her "and guys are paying these prices? She said of course, and looked at me like saying "you think I'm not worth it or what?

Now for ST I've rejected a lot of girls who are trying to start their pricing at 1500 and are not considering anything lower than that, if I feel like the girl is worth it I'll pay it but these girls were not worth it in my mind (either in looks or attitude, or I could feel the session would not be great upstairs). Other girls can easily ask for 2 K, these are the ones that take you for a sucker or girls that are eighteen year old.

Now both of you (or others on the ground), do your own researches, ask these girls price of BF plus what she expects to get for a night out (even if you're not intending to BF them), come back and report here and we'll see if what I've been quoted is different to what you're hearing, and in which bar precisely.

Last thing is that a lot of girls are getting barfined in the soi, which means a lot of guys are really paying these prices. We just don't realise it on this board because discussions are always polluted by cheap charlies boasting about their 1000 bahts TF trophies like they found a real gem in a sea full of shit, but a lot of guys are spending big bucks in the soi and girls and bar owners are catching up with that reality.

I personnaly don't think the trend will stop anytime soon, given the number of young K-dudes or Chinese dudes roaming the soi every day.

I understand it's a chess game between customers, girls and bar owners, but I personnaly think these two categories of customers are a big part in this up-pricing trend.

Just have a look at how many of these girls are completely uninterrested to anything that doesn't look like a guy from one of these two categories, it's not a personnal preference from the girl, it's just that these guys are the easiest targets these days.

[Banana Boi]

Going with my laziness, I prefer to be close to the action place. Was considering Marriott Courtyard (north pattaya), but looks a tad far from the Soi clubs I want to visit. Is traffic as bad or is it easy to get to the hotel?

Great location if you want to be away from it all. Not sure how much walking you like but it's not even convenient to walk from that hotel to catch a baht bus at Dolphin round. I assume you're trying to use Marriot points but in Pattaya you're kind of out of luck if you want to be near action. Any hotel along the main baht bus route is doable. In Pattaya there are 3 main action spots, Walking Street, LK Metro / Treetown, and Soi 6. All 3 are easily accessible from the main baht bus route. Can traffic be bad. Yes especially during high season. It is especially bad south of Central Festival heading towards Walking Street. It's bearable from Soi 6 north to Dolphin round on both 2nd Road and Beach Road.

Most girls speak English quite well in Pattaya. Conversation is extremely important to me too if I plan on spending more than an hour with a girl. If I need to use Google Translate she's out unless it's just a quick bang on Soi 6 or a G Club. Best English is likely among the gogo girls. Of course if you are seeking girls over 22 they've been around long enough to all speak English.

[Venturi34]

Hey mongers. Hope you are all boom booming well.

Have a short window (3-4 days) for a solo mongering trip. I have done BKK several times, was looking at Pattaya but wanted to see how a couple of points compare.

1. Conversation is important for me, during the pick up and after, have struggled a bit in places like Thermae, Fiwfans when the girl does not speak English but looks good and sexy. Have found spas and Nana plaza ones to be better at talking, but I am lazy and prefer to get to the job quick. Generally speaking, is English more widely spoken in Pattaya being a clubbing destination?

2. Going with my laziness, I prefer to be close to the action place. Was considering Marriott Courtyard (north pattaya), but looks a tad far from the Soi clubs I want to visit. Is traffic as bad or is it easy to get to the hotel?

3. Looking at the week of Nov 13 - first round drinks on me if anyone wants to hang out.

Safe mongering!!

1. No the English is not any better in general. Expect plenty of Google translate. I have met a couple girls in the GoGos that do have good English, usually have had a farang boyfriend.

2. Can call Bolt to get around, traffics can be pretty bad on the north end of Beach Road due to constant construction.

[EihTooms]

Great report, thanks for writing. This is the first such post that was written well enough that it all makes sense.

Thanks, Horse Trader.

Well, as long as I'm on a roll, I will add a general note about those occasional sweeps of street girls by the cops. LOL.

My previous post about this that you quoted from was regarding P4 P girls working in bars. I think that would also apply to escort agencies, massage shops, soapies, so-called Happy Ending shops and the like. It seems that is why Smooci is trying put a distance between itself and escort agencies of late.

And I should also stipulate that This Is Thailand, I could have it wrong on some meaningful detail or the law has been changed as of last month or some edict has been issued that supercedes traditional penal code and enforcement procedures. My notes are based on what I have read in the Thai Penal Code on the issue and the way it has virtually always turned out in terms of arrests and charges regarding "prostitution crimes" here.

So, about those occasions where the cops round up dozens of street girls in a single night in a surprise sweep on, say, Beach Road in Pattaya or Soi 4 or Sukhumvit Road in Bangkok. Don't the cops say they did it to "Crack down on prostitution" or some such thing and doesn't the media report it as such too?

Yes. Because they are being lazy and / or intentionally imprecise about it.

What they are really arresting the girls for is being prostitutes who are creating a public nuisance of their line of work..

See, the illegal part is the italicized part of that statement. It is not illegal to be a prostitute in Thailand. But it is illegal to create a public nuisance about it.

Of course, all it takes for street girls to become a public nuisance is for a nearby hotel, restaurant, residence or I suppose competing bar to lodge a complaint that it is getting so crowded with hookers out there their business' patrons feel intimidated or literally must run the gauntlet of hookers just to reach the entrance to their business.

Or the girls are getting so loud and vocal that the wives and girlfriends of male tourists are annoyed by all this shouting about "boom boom" and "blowjobs".

Anyone remember when the BJ Bars off Soi 8 in Bangkok had to close because the girls sitting outside had gotten too vocal with passersby about what was on offer inside? Then when they were allowed to reopen their style changed from shouting, waving and flagging over potential customers to whispering, "psst. Come inside. Blowjob. " For a while anyway. I think most Bangkok BJ Bar girls sitting outside their bar are still fairly low key and subdued about how they tout their offering compared to the way it was before some of those shops got busted and closed down a long while. And that was pre Covid.

They had been creating a public nuisance out of their business model and got busted for it.

Yes, sometimes those sweeps are also about suspected visa violations or age-related issues, same as some of the raids in the bars, massage shops, etc.

But, again, the busts are not exactly of legal age and properly visa'd girls and their customers for the exchange of money for sex. They are for something else only tangentially related to it.

[MickeyDuck1208]

Hey mongers. Hope you are all boom booming well.

Have a short window (3-4 days) for a solo mongering trip. I have done BKK several times, was looking at Pattaya but wanted to see how a couple of points compare.

1. Conversation is important for me, during the pick up and after, have struggled a bit in places like Thermae, Fiwfans when the girl does not speak English but looks good and sexy. Have found spas and Nana plaza ones to be better at talking, but I am lazy and prefer to get to the job quick. Generally speaking, is English more widely spoken in Pattaya being a clubbing destination?

2. Going with my laziness, I prefer to be close to the action place. Was considering Marriott Courtyard (north pattaya), but looks a tad far from the Soi clubs I want to visit. Is traffic as bad or is it easy to get to the hotel?

3. Looking at the week of Nov 13 - first round drinks on me if anyone wants to hang out.

Safe mongering!!

[Venturi34]

Yep, both of you understood my post correctly.

Obviously I'm talking about barfine with taking the girl out of the bar for a big part or the day or the whole day or night, not the ST session upstairs.

I know the price of barfines in Nightwish, a tier price consisting in 2 K (from Monday to Thursday) and 2,5 K from Friday to Sunday (both of these are prices before 10 pm).

From 10 pm it drops to 1250 bahts or 1500 bahts depending on the day.

From midnight it drops to 800 or 1 K depending on the day.

Take in consideration that some bars close at midnight, some others at 1 am and some others at 2 am so the hours might differ depending on the closing time of the said bar.

These quotes were comfirmed by girls that I know well in Playpen, Utopia or 3 Angels near 2nd road.

You find these prices different to WS? Last trip in May I was in Iron and asked for barfine for ST past midnight, it was 1250 to the bar plus 2 K for the girl (I didn't pull the trigger).

Price for the girl is the most astonishing to me, I've heard 4 K in 3 Angels, 4 K in Poison (not even a good looking girl, BTW barfine is 2 K there and she asked 2 K for ST upstairs), 5 K from one of my repeat girl from this trip near Beach road side (she is not a bullshit girl so I believe her, and she told me she's been barfined a few times already).

When the girl told me 5 K + 2 K I asked her "and guys are paying these prices? She said of course, and looked at me like saying "you think I'm not worth it or what?

On WS the bigger GoGo the going rate for models is 2-2. 5 K Barfine + 7 K for LT. People are absolutely paying these prices, me included. If that's the price of getting what I want then that's the price. I am not going to bother hunting for value when I am on vacation. It's over $300 for an hour with an average provider where I live.

[HorseTrader]

BTW, just a general note to all, offering and paying money for sex to anyone under the age of 18 is illegal in Thailand. However, sex for love, sport or mere curiosity with someone (with their free consent) over the age of 15 is legal in Thailand. But not if the deal is for money, unless they are over age 18.

The issue regarding barfines would be it is legal for the bar to charge a fee to take a girl out of the bar during her regular work hours.

However, it is illegal for the mamasan, bar management or bar owners to profit in any way from the exchange of money for sex with the girl. That exchange is legal in Thailand only between the girl and her customer. It is illegal for anyone else, a third party, pimp, mamasan, agency, parent, boyfriend, whoever, to profit from the exchange.

So that is where the mamasan and the bar are taking a risk in demanding ALL of the money for the girl to have sex with a customer be paid to them upfront in the bar rather than just the barfine.

Aside from the demand probably having something to do with the mamasan wanting to rake off her 500 - 1000 baht commission right now before the girl disappears into the night perhaps never to return again, it strongly suggests the bar has a financial stake in their girls having sex for money, which would be illegal for the bar, not for the girl or the customer.

When cops raid the bars or agencies, they don't arrest the customers or the girls for "prostitution crimes. " For them, they really haven't committed a "prostitution crime" regarding the simple exchange of money for sex unless there is a criminal co-factor regarding age or coercion. They arrest the mamasans or bar owners for suspicion of them profiting from the exchange, which is a "prostitution crime. ".

Great report, thanks for writing. This is the first such post that was written well enough that it all makes sense.