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  1. #41691

    Soi Six Business Model: More Revenue from Downstairs Than Upstairs

    Quote Originally Posted by MadDin19  [View Original Post]
    What's going on on Soi 6 can only be traced back to a single guy who has been using his money to change the business model. It used to be about f******, today it's about lady drinks. In the past, every bar used to have a good mamasan who made sure that no customer sat alone at the table. Today the girls stand outside on the street and call customers in. These customers then sit alone in the bar and drink a beer. Then they leave again because they are too bored.
    Good points all. And let's not forget that even if a guy finds a girl he fancies and buys her a few drinks, he may discover to his dismay that she declines to go upstairs.

    I think there are several macro factors encourage this lamentable move away from how Soi Six used to operate in the good old days. The Thai economy is doing pretty well, especially in the manufacturing sector where Thailand competes strongly to be a low cost producer of goods high on the value chain. There are plenty of jobs for workers with low educational attainment. Birth rates are falling. So there are fewer young people leaving the farm in search of a better life, which translates into fewer young women finding their way to Pattaya. Finally, it seems like customer preferences have changed. There are now enough guys willing to sit and drink that the bars and the girls can make a living on "downstairs" revenue alone. Or perhaps *mostly* on downstairs revenue. I could get off on a rant here about the wimpy losers who prefer sipping and staring to climbing the stairs. But that's a waste of time. I think I'll go yell at some clouds instead.

    Bunky
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  2. #41690
    Quote Originally Posted by ThreeLilBirds  [View Original Post]
    Would anyone of the well travelled mongers here care to try and rank the girls preferences?
    Do you mean how the girls rank or sort punters or where guys can find the best girls?

    There are quite a few you tube videos showing the girls likes, often by knowledgeable bar managers.

    https://youtu.be/VYSOD9yu52k?feature=shared

    The other one is impossible to list as no two guys like the same things. There are also areas with predominantly unattractive girls but with some absolutely stunning outliers. India jumps to mind.

    Enjoy. G.

    P.S. Just saw other guys' lists so here's mine.

    Scandinavia.

    Brazil.

    Korea.

    Indonesia.

    Thailand.

    Philippines.

    The wooden spoon definitely goes to Papua New Guinea. Never saw a single attractive woman there.

    G.

  3. #41689

    Kind of hard to do

    Quote Originally Posted by ThreeLilBirds  [View Original Post]
    Would anyone of the well travelled mongers here care to try and rank the girls preferences?
    Lots of variation inside each group and where you come in contact with them. From my experience this is how I rank them. Also have not been too Japan or Korea.

    1. Mongolian.

    2. Thais.

    3. Vietnamese.

    4. Chinese.

    5. Filipina.

  4. #41688
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    (1) Japanese / Korean;.

    (2) Chinese.

    (3) American / European;.

    (4) Other.
    1. Indians.

    2. Indians.

    3 Indians.

    4 Everyone else.

    Transparenz- I might be Indians.

  5. #41687
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    (1) Japanese / Korean;.

    (2) Chinese.

    (3) American / European;.

    (4) Other.
    It's weird then that when I was walking around my hotel at night, there were girls approaching all the groups of Indian guys. Even stopping their bikes to make an offer to them.

    I (white guy) was being ignored by them. Well maybe "ignored" isn't the right word because I never tried to talk to them, but they weren't coming up to me making offers.

    I'm just a normal looking guy. Mid-30's, not fat.

  6. #41686
    Quote Originally Posted by ThreeLilBirds  [View Original Post]
    Would anyone of the well travelled mongers here care to try and rank the girls preferences?
    (1) Japanese / Korean;.

    (2) Chinese.

    (3) American / European;.

    (4) Other.

  7. #41685

    It did happen in Angeles City. Long before the Koreans showed up.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadDin19  [View Original Post]
    What's going on on Soi 6 has absolutely nothing to do with Angels City or any Koreans. It can only be traced back to a single guy who has been using his money to change the business model of Soi 6 for a few years without being financially successful (Nightwish). It used to be about fu*, today it's about lady drinks. In the past, the girls and the bar owners earned a lot more than they do today.

    Every bar used to have a good mamasan who made sure that no customer sat alone at the table. Today the girls stand outside on the street and call customers in. These customers then sit alone in the bar and drink a beer. Then they leave again because they are too bored.

    To run a bar successfully you have to consider 2 things:

    1. You have to be able to attract customers to the bar.
    Actually, the transition from the girls providing good / great value sexually to them hustling customers for Lady Drinks instead because the bar owners and management wanted it that way and with increased pressure and higher LD commissions implemented to make it so is exactly what happened in Angeles City in the Philippines.

    Only the transition in Angeles City did not begin a few years ago and it wasn't at the behest of Korean bar owners.

    It happened about 30 years ago and at the behest of Western bar owners.

    Yep, they formed a "consortium" or group of Western bar owners from the bars on Field Avenue back then too and their meetings were all about making sure everyone was on the same sheet of music about raking in as much money on Lady Drink sales from the girls and good STs or LTs regarding sex be damned. They didn't give a shit about that anymore.

    In fact, if the girl gave crap service in the room, all the better. Then her customer, who had been required to Pre-Pay the whole bundle Upfront at the bar and TO the bar management, will surely kick her out early and, bingo, back to the bar she went to earn more LD commissions and make her boss smile big time.

    They also knew that very, very few punters would have the brass balls to March back to the bar, complain and demand his Pre-Paid money back.

    I know. I was there before the transition, during the transition and after the transition. I knew several Field Avenue gogo bar owners at the time. I was privy to what was being agreed to at those meetings.

    And there was plenty of screaming, anger and complaining about it on Angeles City message boards at the time. Sure, as a punter I advised the bar owners I was acquainted with not to make that change. Didn't matter, of course. They did it anyway.

  8. #41684
    Quote Originally Posted by MadDin19  [View Original Post]
    What's going on on Soi 6 has absolutely nothing to do with Angels City or any Koreans. It can only be traced back to a single guy who has been using his money to change the business model of Soi 6 for a few years without being financially successful (Nightwish). It used to be about fu*, today it's about lady drinks. In the past, the girls and the bar owners earned a lot more than they do today.

    Every bar used to have a good mamasan who made sure that no customer sat alone at the table. Today the girls stand outside on the street and call customers in. These customers then sit alone in the bar and drink a beer. Then they leave again because they are too bored.

    To run a bar successfully you have to consider 2 things:

    1. You have to be able to attract customers to the bar.

    2. You have to keep customers in the bar for more than just a drink. And they have to come back..
    You ignore the fact that the NW business model has changed because of Korean 2 week millionaires. They buy so many drinks, the ladies can afford to ignore Farangs sitting alone in the bar.

  9. #41683
    Quote Originally Posted by ThreeLilBirds  [View Original Post]
    Would anyone of the well travelled mongers here care to try and rank the girls preferences?
    #1: Thai man. He talk good.

    #2: Young Korean man with money.

    #3: Old Korea man with money.

    #4: Chinese man with money.

    #5: Soi dog.

    #6: Farang.

    #7: India man with money.

    I don't count Tomboys, but for some ladies, they #1+.

  10. #41682
    Quote Originally Posted by FortyDrinks  [View Original Post]
    It's no fun knowing a Prostitute hates your Inner Being to the core. LOL. Hahaha. LOL. Hahaha.
    How could someone know my "inner being" from a 5 second boring conversation?

    She wasn't even very attractive. I was just using her to gauge the prices of the place.

  11. #41681
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    Unfortunately, the really hot Thai hookers have preferences not only in terms of nationality but in terms of skin color as well.
    Would anyone of the well travelled mongers here care to try and rank the girls preferences?

  12. #41680
    Quote Originally Posted by FortyDrinks  [View Original Post]
    It's no fun knowing a Prostitute hates your Inner Being to the core. LOL. Hahaha. LOL. Hahaha.
    If your personality is anything like your posts, you'd be an expert on this matter.

  13. #41679
    Quote Originally Posted by Explorer8939  [View Original Post]
    Its the Angeles City effect. Korean 2 week millionaires throw money at the ladies. Then the Farangs stop going. The ladies stop going to the room with customers unless its for crazy money. Its a death spiral.
    What's going on on Soi 6 has absolutely nothing to do with Angels City or any Koreans. It can only be traced back to a single guy who has been using his money to change the business model of Soi 6 for a few years without being financially successful (Nightwish). It used to be about fu*, today it's about lady drinks. In the past, the girls and the bar owners earned a lot more than they do today.

    Every bar used to have a good mamasan who made sure that no customer sat alone at the table. Today the girls stand outside on the street and call customers in. These customers then sit alone in the bar and drink a beer. Then they leave again because they are too bored.

    To run a bar successfully you have to consider 2 things:

    1. You have to be able to attract customers to the bar.

    2. You have to keep customers in the bar for more than just a drink. And they have to come back.

    The Nightwish Group has mastered the first point perfectly. But they've never heard of the second point.

    I used to spend an evening on Soi 6 and left 3-4 K there. Twice boom boom, drinks, food. Today 500 baht is enough for me. I get boom boom at the coconut bar. ST in Soi 6 is more expensive today than in Germany. (I'm German).

    I was in Pattaya 30-40 times. Now I'm in Thailand to visit my brother. Otherwise I wouldn't come here again.

  14. #41678

    Soi Boomerang

    Haven't been following this thread carefully but I don't recall reading much about Soi Boomerang lately so thought I'd provide an update. Walked through it last night. Seemed active. One bar stood out based on the girls sitting outside. It was called Pink something IIRC. 2 young slim girls caught my eye and both very keen on getting me in the bar. Sadly I was on my way to meet a friend so no time but I'll return soon.

    Which are your favorite bars on Soi Boomerang?

    Which bars along Soi Buakhao have the hottest girls now? Looking for something like how Annie Jack's was when all the What's Up girls went to work there. I spotted one at Cindy Bar last night.

  15. #41677
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]
    The Chinese have not left. Pattaya is swarming with loud rude Chinese now and I'm not even talking about the bars. Try having a quiet dinner at Terminal 21. The Thai girls give them the dirtiest looks but that doesn't even faze the Chinese.
    Yes, they are here as noted not defending the Chinese. Many associate them with big tour groups in buses that park at Bali H pier day and night with them on WS, the masses are more in smaller groups these Chinese are better off with money and know how to use social media to get around. We even have them on the dark side of Pattaya I see these small groups near my house and my wife's restaurant at one of the nice resorts with even a casino I hear rumors out here in Nongprue.

    Not defending them but the problem with Thais is they are prejudiced and racist, and the majority come with profiles of Chinese no matter where they come from even myself who is from the USA I see it in my wife, son, and their Thai friends day in day out although after all these years not so much from my family. In short, many Thais think their shit doesn't stink all falls within this is Thailand!

    Sure some Chinese groups are loud and pushy I've been at the HK airport boarding area and heard them coming a mile away. They might present themselves better out in public but in their surrounding, they are as loud and lack manners as any Chinese from the farm. I remember a decade ago joking my wife brought up a stereotype about Chinese. In Cantonese, it is called " Hop Too " where the person takes a deep breath and brings up a load of spit through his nose like of tube of glue takes their favorite hand grabs it from their nose flings it out then takes and wipes their hands on the clothes LOL Sure I've seen this many times back home from old school Chinese.

    They don't see many Thais do regularly themselves here with locals but they never want to recognize it waiting once in the car for gas saw the attendant do it right in front of us, I responded look at Chinese working here pumping gas. We have a Thai guy cook helper do it regularly I say look a Chinese cook! Regularly put them when they drink in their environment they are as loud as any Chinese I've seen in China during my visits in 70-80-90.

    Many Thais I've encountered here in 20 years don't even know China is a communist country. Today Koreans I see still are on top of the list particularly for the youth this is due to the T. V. And their soaps! I know several girls who were recruited to work in Korea two who married found out the place and people not to their liking and returned same with Japan.

    The Chinese sadly are too entrenched especially the Triads in this country last report they own 32 provinces of this country out of 72, and their reach is already to the top tier of government and growing.

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