Medellin Reports

[Rahsta]

Thinking about going to Medellin. How is the Parque lleras area now? Thanks.

[JohnnieCash]

If they are normally charging $50 or more, they aren't going to take $10.

That wouldn't be the same job really, the general MO in centro is a covered rato for up to half hour or 1 pop (whichever comes first, some are done in like 10 minutes so quite an easy money), I assume they don't charge 250 mil for half hour of that in Poblado, so that's not really a like-for-like comparison. Theoretically with various extras she could get around 100 mil in Centro out of 1 client, which is getting close to half of Poblado rate and considering that apparently (so I hear) most of them don't find a client every day there is not such a dramatic income difference. Also a lot them can't (or don't want) just pick up and go abroad as if it's nothing, have family, life and friends here, costs of living are different as well.

Well, we can speculate, the time will tell, Poblado is big, rich tourist will still be staying there, so probably they'll just move outside of banned area and try intercept the clients en route to Provenza / Lleras.

[Gabacho]

There are at least 50 foreigners nearly every day in Centro (not so much Sunday). Look at the Youtube videos. There is a regular bench that several "rats" sit at least 3-4 times every week starting around 3:00 when the sun is not on them. There is 5 guys right there on that one bench. I was there during the covid lockdown and there were 4 of us foreigners in one hotel near the church at Centro when there were very few tourists what so ever. True, do not walk Centro after 8:30-9:00 pm.

50 might be a bit much. Depending on the time of day will make a difference too. When I go to Centro I usually go earlier in day like 11 am - 2 pm and there definitely would not be 50 gringos around the Botero / Veracruz / Cra53 area at that time of day. Maybe later in the afternoon and evening there are more but 50 is a bit much I would say from my observation that there are about 20-25 gringos mongering in the area in comparison to hundreds of locals out and about.

I know about 2 pm onward until about 7 pm there are more chicas out and around 5 pm there will often be so many people trying to use hotel Botero real that there will literally be a line and you have to wait a while to get a room, I hate that and try to avoid that so that's one of the reasons I like to go earlier in the day.

I agree that Sundays are slow and there are less chicas as well as less gringos and less local mongers basically less people in general and many of the cheap restaurants are closed on Sundays but I have gone on Sundays and found some gems that I hadn't spotted on weekdays so you never know even the slow day may be a good day.

Gabacho.

[Knowledge]

I'm pretty sure it is not illegal to be in a hotel room or anywhere else with people of that age. So, assuming he was not caught red handed and assuming the girls did not lodge a complaint, Colombia could conceivably have been on the wrong side of a habeas corpus claim if they locked him up. I've seen conflicting reports about whether he was detained. I haven't yet seen information about the basis of reported arrest warrants. The local media are characteristically over the top when a foreigner is implicated in any major crime. I think a good way to understand the reporting is to compare to transportation deaths. Child abuse committed by Colombians would be the equivalent of automobile accident deaths, something that happens several time a day every day. By comparison foreigner involvement in that sort of crime would be the equivalent of airplane crash deaths. Think of how airplane crash deaths are reported versus automobile accident deaths are reported. One is a very rare event and the other is so frequent it doesn't make the news unless there is an extraordinary angle, like the Colombian who was almost lynched in Medellin this week over rumors he abused his very young stepdaughter.

The real question is why did they release him and allow him to leave Colombia if they had in fact found him in his hotel room with two 12 and 13 year old girls?

[Knowledge]

Authorities believe he is in hiding in the United States. As you stated, he left Colombia and his last known whereabouts is the United States. At 36 years old, if he doesn't try to leave the US and he has enough resources to get by for a couple of years he should be able to work his way into gigs that don't require stringent background checks. His prospects are clearly much worse than they were before this incident.

I don't think he is in Colombia. I read that the police released him and he immediately left the country. Of course, if they put him on Interpol, the places he can escape to are limited. My bet is that the Colombian authorities will not pursue him.

[MoonShot]

The market they were operating is changing and 50-100 mil is better than 0 mil. It's not relevant how much they ask or have been getting, what's relevant how much they can get now.

They would be well advised to start wearing those plastic COVID face guards to protect against spit of centro mongers laughing in their faces hearing 250 mil quotes.

Most of these girls would be probably bitching / unhappy / reminiscing about good'ol poblado days and how she used to fuck for much more and how the john should be grateful for her charging 50-100 mil now etc, so thanks but not thanks from me anyway in most cases, at least not until they adjust their head and service to the new reality. But still, most of them are too spoiled at this point probably.

Well, will see, interesting development in any case. As others have said, street, online, strip clubs, and casa rosters might improve. Even the centro hos service and roster should improve as well, since they won't be able to fall back on poblado now.

While there is some overlap, most of the girls in Poblado are not working in El Centro and will never work in El Centro for 50 mil. They are smart enough to understand the market in El Centro and would not ask for 250 mil in El Centro. But they will look for different ways to attract the same clients and will find them. Or as someone said, they will travel overseas to Costa Rica, Mexico or if they can, United States or Europe. They know their worth to foreigners and foreigners are willing to pay them more than El Centro girls if they are the type of girls that foreigners want. I rarely see the type of girls that I like in El Centro.

For example, lets say you are a plumber and you normally charge $150 and you think you are a good plumber. Business is slow and then a guy calls you up and says I will pay you $10 to fix my pipes. Now, you may say, $10 is better than nothing but I can assure you that the plumber would rather pass on the job than take an amount that he thinks is insulting due to pride and his thoughts on the value of what he offers. Most high end girls in Poblado will think the same way. If they are normally charging $50 or more, they aren't going to take $10.

But for now, actually, if you read some personal reports elsewhere, things haven't changed that much and the girls still hang around in Poblado.

[Exoticspirit]

I'm certainly not an expert on the park. But from what I could see. A ton of those girls were not getting action. I was there for a few hours and saw the same girls making laps. There were so many more girls than guys.

I left around 12:30 am though. But it seemed to me that a lot of them were not making a lot of money. But I guess if you get 2 x guys per week that way it's still good money. But it seemed like the girls in Tantra in Bogota getting 10+ guys per day would be making more money. But. Also fucking 10+ guys per day. Which is a trade off.

I don't really have a point. But it seemed like the girls were way over priced and there were so many more guys and there was no way a lot of those girls were getting regular clients. Plus. They are not making money when they are walking around for 3+ hours.

Escort economics. I am sure one of you has a PhD.

Perhaps this might result in more Colombian girls working in Costa Rica, Panama, St Maarten etc where rates there are higher and are generally safer too than in Colombia.

[CeeJay1]

The real question is why did they release him and allow him to leave Colombia if they had in fact found him in his hotel room with two 12 and 13 year old girls?

You can only go by the details reported by the local media and public officials. I mean who really knows what the actually details are depending on whether you trust media here. Judging on how they treat deceased or scolpomined gringos, It doesn't seem like any mongers are held in a favorable light like, as if we're expendable. I doubt they have due process here like they do in other first world countries. What if someone's FB arrangements start out looking 30 or more and something total different shows up like a girl a day shy of her 18th birthday. Are you even going to get a chance to say a word while theyslap cuffs on you or are they going to make an example out you regardless of the circumstances. I mean if he's guilty hopefully he gets everything he deserves. Hopefully they don't put us all in the same pot at least for political reasons.

[LoveItHere]

I think there is truth in that statement. You have tp be pretty hardcore to be hanging out in El Centro. It's scary at night too.

There are at least 50 foreigners nearly every day in Centro (not so much Sunday). Look at the Youtube videos. There is a regular bench that several "rats" sit at least 3-4 times every week starting around 3:00 when the sun is not on them. There is 5 guys right there on that one bench. I was there during the covid lockdown and there were 4 of us foreigners in one hotel near the church at Centro when there were very few tourists what so ever. True, do not walk Centro after 8:30-9:00 pm.

[JjBee62]

Is anyone else receiving an unusually high number of friend requests from ladies on Facebook? Within the past week, I've received numerous requests every day. They appear to be legitimate ladies with a history of posts and numerous photos. Usually, I may get one request a week and most are from people who just created a Facebook profile.

I went through a stretch like that a few years ago, getting 10-20 friend requests per day. Eventually it returned to normal.

[KeviKev68]

Hear that guys? We have been informed by Mr. Know-it-all that there are only 5 or less gringos in the Centro area. Good to know. Thanks so much.

I think there is truth in that statement. You have tp be pretty hardcore to be hanging out in El Centro. It's scary at night too.

[Argo1990]

This is not to bring down tourism. It's more about catching pedophiles. I see so many guys who are posting about 18-19 year olds and meanwhile they're prob in their 50's and 60's. Girls are using their friends seedulas and fake ids.

The Colombian government knows their rep is taking a hit with the druggings so they're trying to throw it back in the faces of other countries saying you're sending working girl mongers and pedos here so we're going to crack down and arrest those gringos just to justify some of the stuff that's going on.

Weird justification. I'm sure a very SIGNIFICANT amount of tourism income are said gringos and sex tourists xD.

[Gabacho]

I Agree, this environment has the potential to create a new place, not lleras or Centro. Perhaps like a Superclub like Help was in Rio in the 90's and 2000's. I think Farenheight was like that in itagui but never on a grande scale. Someone is going to want to make money and you aren't going to stop people selling P on a dime.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't something similar happen recently in Cartagena where the mayor there prohibited sex work in the area around the clock tower and all the chicas just had to move outside of the area where sex work was prohibited?

So most likely they will just move further down Calle 10 until they are outside of the area that Fico has designated around Lleras and parque el poblado. They will most likely just move further to the east or west or maybe back to that mayorista area of Itagui that was being discussed a cpl weeks ago.

[JackTaggart]

The market they were operating is changing and 50-100 mil is better than 0 mil. It's not relevant how much they ask or have been getting, what's relevant how much they can get now.

They would be well advised to start wearing those plastic COVID face guards to protect against spit of centro mongers laughing in their faces hearing 250 mil quotes.

Most of these girls would be probably bitching / unhappy / reminiscing about good'ol poblado days and how she used to fuck for much more and how the john should be grateful for her charging 50-100 mil now etc, so thanks but not thanks from me anyway in most cases, at least not until they adjust their head and service to the new reality. But still, most of them are too spoiled at this point probably.

Well, will see, interesting development in any case. As others have said, street, online, strip clubs, and casa rosters might improve. Even the centro hos service and roster should improve as well, since they won't be able to fall back on poblado now.

I'm certainly not an expert on the park. But from what I could see. A ton of those girls were not getting action. I was there for a few hours and saw the same girls making laps. There were so many more girls than guys.

I left around 12:30 am though. But it seemed to me that a lot of them were not making a lot of money. But I guess if you get 2 x guys per week that way it's still good money. But it seemed like the girls in Tantra in Bogota getting 10+ guys per day would be making more money. But. Also fucking 10+ guys per day. Which is a trade off.

I don't really have a point. But it seemed like the girls were way over priced and there were so many more guys and there was no way a lot of those girls were getting regular clients. Plus. They are not making money when they are walking around for 3+ hours.

Escort economics. I am sure one of you has a PhD.

[BlueChange]

The girls will find a way. Enforcement by the police? Some discrete bribes by the nightclubs will take care of the matter. Girls will still be available. They are not going to arrest the girls and prostitution is not illegal so I think the girls will still be hanging around. More likely more of the girls will go online. So for guys who search for girls online, nothing really changes and there will be more girls available. As for girls in Poblado going to El Centro, that is not going to happen for most of these girls. They have established their market price and they aren't going to accept 40-50 mil. Not happening. They will find another way to find their customers for the same price. That is the beauty of seeing online girls. None of these changes affects anything.

I Agree, this environment has the potential to create a new place, not lleras or Centro. Perhaps like a Superclub like Help was in Rio in the 90's and 2000's. I think Farenheight was like that in itagui but never on a grande scale. Someone is going to want to make money and you aren't going to stop people selling P on a dime.