Pattaya Reports

[LittleBigMan]

I've written this opinion before about race. I'm Chinese American born and raised in the West. I've been throughout the USA In the South, Carolinas, and MidWest, in the City in my youth I wasn't allowed to cross a particular street to go to school which was direct Even in the late 80's Carolinas I was told I couldn't buy beer because of my color.

Nearly 20 years in Thailand, maybe not to Thai standards because Thais in general especially the poor which are the majority don't see it as racism cause they aren't taught generally the real meaning of it. It is like part of their culture to think this way when it is done if you try to explain you see a blank stare on their face. In my life here living with Thais 99.9 daily interacting in the beginning never felt more racist in my whole life back home not so much today only because I've adjusted to letting most of it go but there were times even though Thais were friendly and polite they resent us deeply here one wrong move verbally or physically expect a blowup and snap reaction.

What many here run into is the duel pricing right or wrong it presents. Many years ago, the late K--g noted in one of his Birthday speeches this was wrong, the former PM, once said the same when he was in charge did that change? NO! Their Supreme Court two years ago ruled against a Norwegian case against the Thai government regarding Duel Pricing, the ruling went against their laws the explanation from the court was "Foreigners are generally better off and therefore should pay more " This is the ruling as to why Government hospital can charge you more.

Do I have an advantage at times I do and don't, I've been to many amusement parks in the last few years due to the birth of my granddaughter I do the majority of the driving at the entrance my son does all the buying so I generally pay the Thai price which is general far lower. Most visitors don't see it since they are part of the 2-week millionaire theory just go with the flow. Living here it gets tiring at times what bothers me is going to get medical treatment, especially at the International private ones. Before my granddaughter was born I went to every hospital in the area to find out what a see-section would cost, private wanted 75-100,000 baht and even a public I was quoted 50,000, one receptionist honestly told me if the see-section was ordered by the doctor then it is covered by the national health plan. When everything was narrowed down to the hospital I did the driving and had my son, daughter-in-law, and both mothers go in without and get a price. 53,000 Baht for a see-section 3-night stay. For me the worst thing a person wants when they are sick and hurting be given the " head toe ". Years ago my wife was on her death bed I took her to the Emergency Private Hospital insurance wouldn't cover her because they claimed the condition was inherited by her family while she lay in the bed waiting to be admitted the patient next to her foreigner was pain crying out they knew exactly what he needed but the hospital rep was trying to get a deposit before treatment. Today his cry still rings in my wife's and mine heads " Help Me ".

During Covid, those who were here they couldn't give a shit about us. They made it very clear they weren't going to give any vaccine to us it wasn't until Senator Tammy Duckworth who is part Thai stepped up and forced their hands that 2 million doses would be given but 250-500,000 doses of Pfizer had to be reserved for foreigners not just Americans. Vaccines before Sino-Vac sold by the Chinese were reserved for Thais, and 100,000 doses given by the Italians were reserved for Italians Johnson and Johnson W. Whether it worked or not another discussion Thais front line were given Sino-Vac that wore off or didn't work there was an outbreak within the front line workers death rate was like 25,000 a day? It wasn't until the donation of Pfizer that the pandemic was controlled when I got mine in Bangkok majority of foreigners even Chinese seemed to hate the USA So much were grateful. I felt like waving the US flag and singing the national Anthem LOL.

Racism is front and center in their policies their daily announcements are laced with old-school thinking. I've tested my theory by watching police stations, immigration, and government officials at a few meetings reminds me of when I was young playing at the Chinese so-called Association where my dad was an official when gangs were out of control City leaders and top police representatives would come and address the association leaders telling them to control your boys. Very few words were exchanged my dad and association leaders would just nod in agreement and play along as soon as they left backs turned started laughing.

I have seen these actions growing up visiting Hong Kong, Korea, and Japan with my Dad, Uncles, and older brothers it is all present here in Thailand with their leaders and their policies toward foreigners. It is so embedded into their culture they don't even know what the word means that so many practice it in their daily lives even to their people. Be glad it is just due pricing as long as the exchange rate is 35-1 many don't see it and will continue to come. Enjoy!

[Nyezhov]

But I believe much of the discrimination in Thailand is based on race, if you go to many museums and show a local ID in Europe or United States you get a lower admission fee, that is based on the rationale that you pay taxes to build and maintain museums, tourists (not so much).

I've been told Thais don't allow that work around, you could be a white guy that lives in Thailand for 50 yrs they are still going to ass fuck you whenever they can.

And I'm still not sure how museums overcharging tourists, justifies hookers doing the same.

Even though its still racist, I think being overcharged by a museum is no where as bad as being overcharged by a hooker based on race.

If a museum posts the rates on a sign, then everyone is getting screwed equally.

Bars and hookers, racistly scamming mongers willy nilly and capriciously is much more nefarious.

Thats why I say "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander".

Low ball the shit out of them 100% of the time.

Avoid buying drinks.

Cut the bar out of the equation whenever possible.

Why, because pay backs are a MOFO.

Its impossible to be Jai Dee if you are consumed with "pay back" for a real or imagined slight. Could reflect on the prices you are quoted or the treatment you recieve.

[BionicMan]

Hadn't been at Soi 6 for weeks. Went yesterday and sessioned 3 girls. Two of them wanted 1500, one wanted 2000. The girls stated their price beforehand, also a feature of the "new" Soi 6. When 1000 was standard, girls didn't say anything beforehand. They took the 1000 plus tips or no tips at the end of the session and that was that.

Yesterday I had two girls rejecting me by saying the bar had no rooms. In one of the bar the girl said "no room because police", whatever that meant. Might have been just a novel excuse for rejection, albeit a strange one.

As usual I spotted a handful of top girls (tallish, waist-to-hip ratio below 0.80, thin bones, neotenous facial features, narrow shoulder girth). They all made it clear to me, from a distance and from nearby, in half rude half polite fashion, that I was not wanted.

I think it is all part of the Night Wish Group business strategy, they own a big chunk of the soi 6 bars. They focus on "drinks only" venues and their girls are instructed so.

Was the same when they ran 2-3 bars in pothole (blue, orange or whatever, maybe they still own them): drinks only, girls trained to lightly tease but not hands on by all means. Just a continuous flow of drinks, diluted for the girls. Good for the girls not willing to spread legs every second hour. Inspired by Japanese and Korean whisky lounges. Where customers spend endless hours with a bottle of whisky and the girls pouring in the glasses. No sex, just getting devastated and drunk patrons then in the streets.

Each one his own.

[Mr Enternational]

Race? Maybe you are confusing with nationalities. Never heard of a Thai or European race. Aren't you a racist by any means to hate racists?

Foreigners or non residents are not overcharged, it's local nationalities or residents who are getting a discount on the official entry ticket.

Definitely confusing race with nationality. I was in Kenya a couple of months ago and there is also a price for Kenyans and a higher price for non-Kenyans at the museums and such. In Peru, if you buy a plane ticket there is a price for Peruvians and a price for foreigners. If you show up to the airport without a Peruvian ID after having bought the Peruvian priced ticket then you have to pay the difference plus a fine. It explicitly states that on the website.

[BionicMan]

But I believe much of the discrimination in Thailand is based on race, if you go to many museums and show a local ID in Europe or United States you get a lower admission fee, that is based on the rationale that you pay taxes to build and maintain museums, tourists (not so much).

I've been told Thais don't allow that work around, you could be a white guy that lives in Thailand for 50 yrs they are still going to ass fuck you whenever they can.

Cut the bar out of the equation whenever possible.

Why, because pay backs are a MOFO.

Race? Maybe you are confusing with nationalities. Never heard of a Thai or European race. Aren't you a racist by any means to hate racists?

Foreigners or non residents are not overcharged, it's local nationalities or residents who are getting a discount on the official entry ticket. Just as senior citizen's, kids, students, maybe army or veterans too (depends on venue, country). Some venues might grant discounts to some specific job categories (journalists is an example in some countries).

I was once granted, to my surprise, a 10% discount at a popular fast food brand for being over 60: I don't think the rest of the customers were overcharged.

[FFlintstone69]

It happens in many countries and is even official. I went to the main museum in Kolkata, India and I was behind a line of Indians who entered free of charge and I was asked to pay. Same happened at the Victoria memorial in that city and there are probably many other tourist sites with similar payment rules, I suppose you can either pay up or make an about turn.

But I believe much of the discrimination in Thailand is based on race, if you go to many museums and show a local ID in Europe or United States you get a lower admission fee, that is based on the rationale that you pay taxes to build and maintain museums, tourists (not so much).

I've been told Thais don't allow that work around, you could be a white guy that lives in Thailand for 50 yrs they are still going to ass fuck you whenever they can.

And I'm still not sure how museums overcharging tourists, justifies hookers doing the same.

Even though its still racist, I think being overcharged by a museum is no where as bad as being overcharged by a hooker based on race.

If a museum posts the rates on a sign, then everyone is getting screwed equally.

Bars and hookers, racistly scamming mongers willy nilly and capriciously is much more nefarious.

Thats why I say "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander".

Low ball the shit out of them 100% of the time.

Avoid buying drinks.

Cut the bar out of the equation whenever possible.

Why, because pay backs are a MOFO.

[SouthEaster]

To XXL: you state that they made it clear that you were not wanted. I assume you mean did not want to screw you. If that is the case, what / who do they want? I haven't been for ages but it does not sound like soi six is full of drinks only girls, so what the hell are they doing there?

[Member #4838]

Hadn't been at Soi 6 for weeks. Went yesterday and sessioned 3 girls. Two of them wanted 1500, one wanted 2000. The girls stated their price beforehand, also a feature of the "new" Soi 6. When 1000 was standard, girls didn't say anything beforehand. They took the 1000 plus tips or no tips at the end of the session and that was that.

Yesterday I had two girls rejecting me by saying the bar had no rooms. In one of the bar the girl said "no room because police", whatever that meant. Might have been just a novel excuse for rejection, albeit a strange one.

As usual I spotted a handful of top girls (tallish, waist-to-hip ratio below 0.80, thin bones, neotenous facial features, narrow shoulder girth). They all made it clear to me, from a distance and from nearby, in half rude half polite fashion, that I was not wanted.

Hearing these reports of increased prices on the 6 makes me all the more curious to see how it is upon my return. Again, this will Benin August, low season. I still have a few Soi 6 ladies I keep up with on Line and they say it's slow. They also say they'll come to my loom as they did last time for ST 1,000.

I also have a few civvies lined up that will be good for the site seeing aspect of Pattaya, namely Koh Larn.

[XXL]

The price you're talking about might even have been a price from the past when you were still there in October.

Beginning of October, I could get a few girls at that price, by the end of October I didn't find any under 1500 bahts. Of course I didn't ask all the girls, just a few ones that I wanted to bang. That's why I mostly repeated the one that I liked the most from Utopia for 1500 plus many drinks (drinks were paid because I wanted to spend time with her, she never made it a requirement).

For the moment, I think prices are more tending toward 2000 than going back to 1000, but you'll tell us in August.

Hadn't been at Soi 6 for weeks. Went yesterday and sessioned 3 girls. Two of them wanted 1500, one wanted 2000. The girls stated their price beforehand, also a feature of the "new" Soi 6. When 1000 was standard, girls didn't say anything beforehand. They took the 1000 plus tips or no tips at the end of the session and that was that.

Yesterday I had two girls rejecting me by saying the bar had no rooms. In one of the bar the girl said "no room because police", whatever that meant. Might have been just a novel excuse for rejection, albeit a strange one.

As usual I spotted a handful of top girls (tallish, waist-to-hip ratio below 0.80, thin bones, neotenous facial features, narrow shoulder girth). They all made it clear to me, from a distance and from nearby, in half rude half polite fashion, that I was not wanted.

[KrumeLurer]

For the moment, I think prices are more tending toward 2000 than going back to 1000, but you'll tell us in August.

Thats BS. Prices are not trending towards 2000. There is a shortage of customers and it is proberbly going to continue. You can get lower if you want. You should see what thaimen get when they pay 2000 baht.

Its not an average girl on soi 6. Just ridicoulous! The reason you are saying that is that you want to go in and excuse yourself to pay big money.

We need the US dollar to start to fall to its historical levels. Thats one of the resons behind this jacking up of prices.

[Mr Enternational]

A word of warning though, I could not get the girls to even talk about that type of fun, they pretended to completely not understand what I was talking about even as the action was going on pretty close to us. I was so curious, I bought one of the girls in Catch Me 2 or 3 drinks to break the ice, but to no avail. I conclude you have to be a returning customer first, be well-liked, and then they do it when they feel like it.

Hell, that makes 2 of us because I have no idea what you are talking about either. Why not make it plain instead of trying to be secret squirrel. You bought 2 or 3 drinks hoping it will get her to understand your secret talk instead of saying I want to put my finger in your ass or grab my dick or whatever the type of fun is supposed to be.

[ThatGuy101]

When watching YouTube videos they always say the Hamadan most likely will ask for a drink and never decline it otherwise it can come off rude and most of the girls are scared of her (as she's the boss) and you not giving her a drink will make them want to stay clear from you not to piss her off and by giving the drink she'll take care of you every time you come in and help guide you towards a girl that fits your wants but damn good on you you spent a lot of money just on lady drinks etc last time and for them to treat you like this that's a shame. I've been to DR lots and eve try one always wants a hand out and sometimes you have to say no you're not a walking ATM machine that can just give shit away for free all the time it's good you saw the true colours and nice report!

[Downandup]

For the moment, I think prices are more tending toward 2000 than going back to 1000, but you'll tell us in August.

Of course. But at Easter I could still get a few girls for 1200 although fewer than before. They are also more likely to ask for 2000 so get an offer in before they do.

[FFlintstone69]

Reality must be a real Btch for you.

I believe I smoked out a stalker amongst us. Be advised.

[LocalExplorer]

My last gogo review was so long, I started dreading writing the addendum. But here it is.

I visited a few more gogos, including Coco and Sharks off Walking Street, Baccara and Atlantis and one more on WS (only popped in for a minute or two), as well as Catch Me and Top Gun on LK Metro. Plus, I revisited Stunners, but this time it was a disappointment.

So first of all, the gogos directly on WS are absolutely packed, even off season and on weekdays. And by "packed" I mean no seating left whatsoever (perhaps you can squeeze in one thin person). There were even groups of men standing around with drinks in their hands. I moved on to the gogos in the side Sois. Both Sharks and Coco were pretty similar to the average LK Metro gogo. Coco was interesting in that the stage (or stages) where the girls were dancing were in bright white light, and all the girls wore red bikinis / underwear, it gave the place a different feel.

Catch Me and Top Gun on LK Metro had this amateurish feel. Both had some naughty action going on (let's say closer to the Lips Lounge Soi Honey type), not in plain view, but I could easily deduce exactly what was going on. A word of warning though, I could not get the girls to even talk about that type of fun, they pretended to completely not understand what I was talking about even as the action was going on pretty close to us. I was so curious, I bought one of the girls in Catch Me 2 or 3 drinks to break the ice, but to no avail. I conclude you have to be a returning customer first, be well-liked, and then they do it when they feel like it. It's not a standard service, even though it happens a lot. Apart from that, both places are run-of-the-mill gogos, the Top Gun girls were more giggly (which I like).

Stunners was a disappointment this time, the girls recognized me, so I bought LDs for 2 ladies that I remembered from last time. This time the mamasan from the get-go very insistently demanded a drink from me, although I didn't even talk to her. She quickly started raising her voice when I politely declined ("maybe later" With the back and forth, the raised voice and it becoming clear I won't be buying the drink, at some point there was an apparent loss of face of the mamasan. The girls moved away a bit, the atmosphere turned less-than-friendly and I had to feign a smile while drinking the rest of my beer. Payed up and left. Why did that happen? After the first visit I was probably classified as a "dumb farang", who throws around money for no good reason, and can be easily pressured. I had spent a "whopping" 1300 THB for 1. 5-2 hours of great fun with 2 ladies, which absolutely shocked them when it was time to pay. They kept on nervously looking at the bill at me, asking me if it's OK, as if expecting me to go ballistic. For the fun I was having it was a very reasonable price, honestly. But ah well, I guess that's one of the risks of going into an establishment frequented mainly by local farangs on a very tight budget.

I also revisited Windmill, the one on the right, ground floor. What can I say, 3rd time was still not the charm. I sat next to the shower, so a there was something to look at, although for 30-45 minutes I only got attention from the very least attractive ladies. The girls seemed to be interested mainly in the older farangs (60+, mostly first-timers in Pattaya) and some, but not all, of the Asian customers. Finally, I was approached by a better-looking girl. It started well, but literally a minute or two later she said she has to go outside for a moment, then she started doing the shower show, completely forgetting about me. And when her memory came back, she grabbed her LD and started drinking so as to finish it well before the show was over. I didn't appreciate the attitude and I just moved over to one of the "naked ladies table", where she actually came to request another drink from me and declined to take the cue of me "just wanting to watch the show now".

My conclusion is that Windmill is OK for watching the shows if you're in the area. Just make sure you know exactly which one you're going to and which floor. You're much better off skipping the LDs entirely, unless you're a 60+ farang who gets glassy eyes and is unable to fully shut his mouth when a naked 25-year old sits on your lap.

Gee, why are my reviews so long? Anyway, that's it for my gogo reviews, but perhaps I'll post one more, about Kink. And I'll probably post part 2 of the "types of customers" - The Dumb Farang, The Old Farang, the Thai Escort, the Farang with a Thai wife (in a gogo), and the Young Farang Couple in a gogo (very rare, but happens).