Pattaya Reports

[EverythingThai]

What are these sidelines websites with price that you're taking about?

Check the Bangkok section of the Thailand section. The name of one of the sites is Few Fans, but there are plenty of them.

[Old Jack]

Not always. There's a Thai go go bar in Bangkok in the Sephan Kwai area. The standard 2500 Baht ST is charged to a foreign customer that comes in as well. The fee is broken down like this. 1700 for the girl, 400 for the hotel and 400 for the bar. Most of the girls are a 7+ out of 10. Also in Bangkok, there are sideline websites for freelancers looking for Thai customers. Foreigners have caught on and try to use them now. They pay the same price or they are refused outright. There is never a farang uncharge as the prices are posted clearly in the girls' ad.

What are these sidelines websites with price that you're taking about?

[EverythingThai]

Whether you like it or not farang will always pay more than Thai.

Not always. There's a Thai go go bar in Bangkok in the Sephan Kwai area. The standard 2500 Baht ST is charged to a foreign customer that comes in as well. The fee is broken down like this. 1700 for the girl, 400 for the hotel and 400 for the bar. Most of the girls are a 7+ out of 10. Also in Bangkok, there are sideline websites for freelancers looking for Thai customers. Foreigners have caught on and try to use them now. They pay the same price or they are refused outright. There is never a farang uncharge as the prices are posted clearly in the girls' ad.

[Gabacho]

Just a comment. If this is not for you then that is of course your choice. However, I just want to make you aware that in the gents clubs and Soi 6 in Pattaya, the majority of the girls provide BBFSCIP for either no extra charge or with a tip. Therefore, the girl that you choose to be with in Pattaya will of most likely barebacked most of her clients. Punters need to be comfortable with that before partaking with any lady whether they prefer to use condoms or not. How do I know this info you ask? I know because I have never had to use a condom with any working girl in Thailand for the last 14 years.

What about the freelancers on beach road?? Do they also provide BBFSCIP with or without a tip??

Asking for myself LOL.

[EverythingThai]

I think it is all part of the Night Wish Group business strategy, they own a big chunk of the soi 6 bars. They focus on "drinks only" venues and their girls are instructed so.

Was the same when they ran 2-3 bars in pothole (blue, orange or whatever, maybe they still own them): drinks only, girls trained to lightly tease but not hands on by all means. Just a continuous flow of drinks, diluted for the girls. Good for the girls not willing to spread legs every second hour. Inspired by Japanese and Korean whisky lounges. Where customers spend endless hours with a bottle of whisky and the girls pouring in the glasses. No sex, just getting devastated and drunk patrons then in the streets.

Each one his own.

Honestly, the bars' only strategy is always to sell drinks. The revenue from the short time rooms won't pay the salaries of the girls. To me this strategy on Soi 6 has always been the same. The reason we hear more and more complaints these days is that business is not the same as before. There are less guys coming in buying drinks for the girls. Before, it was balanced out. The were enough guys buying lady drinks so the Cheap Charles could crack as normal. It's not that way now. The girl might be happy to get her ST fee, but she won't have a job for too long if she can't make her drink quota. These girls don't want to freelance for many obvious reasons. Therefore, not making a drink quota gets them kicked to the curb. I know many girls who told me about this. They bounce from bar to bar because of it. The bar needs to sell drinks to make money and pay salaries. This Soi 6 trend is not new and it's normal for all bars if they hire contract girls.

[EverythingThai]

Lots of bars on soi six are infamous for this, had this occur during my last trip in April when I was sitting with the same girl and had ordered her a ld and myself a new beer, got the updated bill and it had gone from 2 ld+1 beer to 5 ld+2 beer, I pointed out the mistake, the girl went to talk with the mamasan who offered a quick apology and it was fixed.

No point in causing a scene or being upset or aggressive like these guys but on the other hand don't be stupid and naive, these people aren't your friends.

This is the best way to handle this. You need to always be checking your bin so you can address any issues immediately. The problem with most guys is they get drunk and never check their bin. When it comes time to pay, they either forget or the mistake happened long before they decided to check bin. You have to address the mistake immediately. Always check your bin after each time you order. Never cause a big scene over a few baht. People get drunk and when that happens, we all lose our minds. LOL.

[EverythingThai]

Bareback definitely not for me.

Just a comment. If this is not for you then that is of course your choice. However, I just want to make you aware that in the gents clubs and Soi 6 in Pattaya, the majority of the girls provide BBFSCIP for either no extra charge or with a tip. Therefore, the girl that you choose to be with in Pattaya will of most likely barebacked most of her clients. Punters need to be comfortable with that before partaking with any lady whether they prefer to use condoms or not. How do I know this info you ask? I know because I have never had to use a condom with any working girl in Thailand for the last 14 years.

[EverythingThai]

For me, the gents club are not only the best value for your buck, but the fun and mileage you have and get with the ladies is amazing. First of all, the gents clubs are very laid back. I go in and can play whatever music I want. It's like your friendly neighborhood bar. Secondly, the alcohol is cheap, even the lady drinks are on the lower side, 150 Baht. Third, the girls aren't pushy and they get naked after getting a few drinks. If you buy them a few wracks they will give you a BJ right there in the bar. Fourthly, the cost for ST is very affordable. The standard 1500 Baht. Good customers aren't even charged for the room in some cases. That was the case for me recently. Finally, the girls are always great fun and they do almost anything. Recently, I had a threesome in a gents club. 1500 each girl. For a tip, it was BBFS CIP both girls. No nonsense with changing condoms and they were both hot and sexy 25 years olds. Love it!

[Nyezhov]

Examining every bill when it is delivered is standard procedure for Thais. I know this from having dinners or lunches with them and they pick up the "check bin". There is nothing rude about doing this. SOP in Thailand. Legitimate mistakes can be made.

Sam.

First rule I learned getting off the plane ages ago. Examine every bill. Or pay for each one as they come.

[Banana Boi]

If I am being short changed or overcharged, I let them know that and if they don't rectify it I let them know that I will not be returning. As you said, let your money do the talking.

I have only had a few instances of this anyways and it was only for a 100 THB one time and a few hundred THB the other, no big deal. But it's about being treated with respect.

I was only in Ho Chi Minh for a couple of days last week but I made a point of going past the bar that imo ripped me off in March. I was added an "infatuation fee" because I messaged the girl on Zalo to see if she was working that night. I was also charged the bar seat fee which I negotiated not to be charged when I walked in. Sure it's not even $20 US but like you say it's about being treated with respect especially when they know I return to the city often.

Anyways, walked passed the bar in Little Japan. Minh Tu was so happy to see me. She grabbed and held on to me for dear life. She tried pulling me into the bar. I said don't you remember last time I said I would never walk into your bar again. She feigned ignorance. Then I told the bar manager who is pretty hot see what happens when you rip off a regular. Pulled Minh Tu's arm from around me and started talking to a girl 2 bars down. Minh Tu has not stopped messaging me on Zalo since sending me photos of herself and how she misses me. Her momentary greed collecting the "infatuation fee" and not defending me for no bar seat fee has cost her dearly in the long run.

[LittleBigMan]

Maybe she was on the phone with the other bar to send security over it's all speculation as we weren't getting to many details at the moment but maybe just maybe the girl got them to rack up a bill of lady drinks than refused to be bar fined (golden rule one drink rule always ask if she's open to be bar fined) maybe that's why the disagreement followed by one of the friend on his bill or maybe they padded his bill we can't say for sure but yes always just pay your bill and never go back if you were scammed lesson learnt but getting a beat down that brutal over 110 $ Canadian bucks (2800 bhatt) is not worth it and one article says he's in the ICU in serious condition with no more updates but than u saw a video of him getting up so who really knows. I personally thing hes in the hospital thats why the Thai police were quick to arrest the guards I think the bar should be held responsible for the guards actions they should've called the police not send in blood thirsty goons to brutal assaults someone that bad. Just intimidation and they were judge jury and Executioner.. laws for a reason let the police handle it

Agree, we don't know what happened as to what set off the events. The last report I read the 3 have admitted to the fight and has gotten a tongue lashing from police in charge of case. The spokemans has said unless a complaint is file they can't retain the 3 individual as of yet they haven't been able to locate them searching CCTV as to where they might have gone. If there is a guy in the hospital or ICU, I'm sure the keystone cops would have been able to figure that one out?

Reality these freelancers work for someone or a number of someone's but those names aren't being mentioned for reasons. From my experience these types of jobs when created normally comes from friends of already police in this district would be Soi 9, or Banglamung, someone has to endorse these jobs guys just can't decide one day we are going into the security business. That being said the things that always happen is they make a big show and tell scene this is all for tourist benefits they are safe but swept under the rug.

[Werqweq]

My answer is "as long as I can remember" (and that is as long ago as 30 years and as recently as 6 years).

This is based on first-hand experience; that is, knowing the Thais who have visited Cowboy with me. Also, some upper middle / lower "high class" Khmer dudes. One held a Secretary position in the Thaksin Adminstration. (And, I don't mean a "clerk-typist. LOL) Another was a Thai whose father was the Thai Ambassador to a European country.) Another, an assistant professor at a well-known Thai uni. The Khmer were very successful entrepeneurs and government officials in Cambodia.

Generalizations aside, can be very difficult to really know whether a person is Thai, Khmer, or even Filipino. Even among those groups, they can have difficulty in identifying nationality just by appearance.

Now, in only one case did any of them barfine a "dancer". They were just curious about the scene and all thoroughly enjoyed the evenings. In the one case when one of the Thais did barfine, the mamasan explained that the girl could not be seen leaving with him. He was told that the girl could have a boyfriend in the area and it could make for a problem. She did not want to set a precedent. (Maybe the boyfriend would think she was going to get a lower payment. Ha ha ha) I should note that he did choose a "stunner"; what you might call "the pick of the litter". LOL.

In the handful of occasions of which I speak, not once were my Thai or Khmer friends refused entry or service or ignored by the girls at the biggest and "best" bars on Cowboy.

Sam.

More likely it was because the boyfriend was ok about her going with a farang for money (that she would later share with him), as we don't count, while drama would ensue if he saw her go with a Thai man.

While I've long since put the guy you responded to on ignore due all the useless nonsense posted, he does have a point here I believe. You're friends were obviously upper class, and that would be obvious to the bar staff by their appearance and behaviour, no doubt resulting in the usual thai deference to another Thai of higher status. You say you went with other Thai guys too, but I suspect if your friends were motorbike taxi guys, or of similar stature, they'd be much less welcome.

One mamasan I fucked a few times (for free, when I was still young and handsome, after meeting here at a regular club the first time) said she did not want thai men inside her bar because they worried they could be undercover police, but I suspect a bigger part of the reason was the aforementioned "sex with farang for money doesn't count to the thai boyfriend".

[SoberHans69]

For me it's hands down Jakarta right now and has been for years. Walk into Classic and you'll wonder why you haven't been going there for years. Jakarta is mainly point and shoot like Soi 6 with rooms on premise. Read the Jakarta forum. I try posting updates every few days only to have LoveItHere continue to rag on me that all my posts are story telling. Of course he doesn't post any reviews and says he's there. Anyways off topic.

On a way different rate scale is Japan but you'll be used to it paying Oase girls 200 euro per hour. Beautiful Japanese girls in RLD. No, I'm not referring to Tokyo's old ladies. No, you won't videos of these places on YouTube cause everyone is afraid of backlash from the Yakuza. Expensive? Damn right for a cheap arse like myself but you have to spoil yourself once in a while.

Beautiful girls in HCMC too but quick FS options other than online stuff is limited to massage places. Check out YouTube videos of Cherry Linh Spa. Stunning lineup. I think it's Asian Nights that posts some good YouTube videos.

Another favorite for many guys is PP. Khmer girls aren't really my look so I don't go.

I've read plenty of times that the girls at Classic are pretty much forced to work there. Main thing that's put me off trying Jakarta.

[Banana Boi]

Your final paragraph is interesting. If FKKs and Thailand have descended out of the top two (for me they are still in both slots!) where do you prefer?

For me it's hands down Jakarta right now and has been for years. Walk into Classic and you'll wonder why you haven't been going there for years. Jakarta is mainly point and shoot like Soi 6 with rooms on premise. Read the Jakarta forum. I try posting updates every few days only to have LoveItHere continue to rag on me that all my posts are story telling. Of course he doesn't post any reviews and says he's there. Anyways off topic.

On a way different rate scale is Japan but you'll be used to it paying Oase girls 200 euro per hour. Beautiful Japanese girls in RLD. No, I'm not referring to Tokyo's old ladies. No, you won't videos of these places on YouTube cause everyone is afraid of backlash from the Yakuza. Expensive? Damn right for a cheap arse like myself but you have to spoil yourself once in a while.

Beautiful girls in HCMC too but quick FS options other than online stuff is limited to massage places. Check out YouTube videos of Cherry Linh Spa. Stunning lineup. I think it's Asian Nights that posts some good YouTube videos.

Another favorite for many guys is PP. Khmer girls aren't really my look so I don't go.

[Member #4838]

Keeping it 100. First visit to Pattaya my friends taught me the system. I have yet to visit a bar or restaurant that has not followed the structure you outlined. One time a waitress at one of my favorite restaurants made a mistake on a bill charging me a side order when it was included in my meal. I pointed her error out on menu. She said she served me two the the particular item (she had not). I paid the bill and simply did not return anymore. When it comes to business I simply vote with my baht. There are too many business competing for my money to allow myself to get caught up in games any business owner wants to play.

A bar bill dispute is not a situation that requires the use of deadly force. Period!. Criminal charges should be filed against the security that used deadly force inappropriately.

I have the same mentality. If I am being short changed or overcharged, I let them know that and if they don't rectify it I let them know that I will not be returning. As you said, let your money do the talking.

I have only had a few instances of this anyways and it was only for a 100 THB one time and a few hundred THB the other, no big deal. But it's about being treated with respect.

My. 2 cents is to not frequent Soi 6 bars. So many reputable bars and GCs in Buakho and around Pattaya and Jomtien where you don't have to worry about this kind of stuff, especially getting your a $$ kicked or killed. That's why when Indo go to the 6, I simply talk to the ladies from the curb, negotiate and head up for ST. I have never and never will I frequent a Soi 6 bar for drinks.