Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Explorer8939]

Are you talking about the same bar girl in both posts? It seems to be a bit of a stretch from her friend saying she "might have AIDS" to her getting it from her Thai boyfriend to her maybe having given it to her German husband. Per separate links provided by SubCmdr (recently) and EihTooms (a while ago), it doesn't look like vaginal sex is a big contributor to HIV being passed from person to person.

Look to getting butt fucked and infected drug needles as major contributors to HIV transmission.

You are correct that transmission of HIV from a female to male via vaginal sex is relatively rare, whereas the reverse is less so.

[HorseTrader]

I am looking for PREEP pills to buy. Where can I find and how much is the average price?

Do I need a prescription?

Anonymity is important to me!

I'm a bit surprised there have been no responses to this question, so I will post what little I know. Hopefully someone with more knowledge will chime in.

First, I asked this same question of a BKK friend and he didn't know, but he did suggest that there is an STD clinic in the Trendy Plaza on Sukhumvit Soi 13. It's on the ground floor more-or-less across the hall from the set of ATM machines. You might also try the Red Cross AIDS research center, which is near the northwest corner of Lumphini Park. Second is cost, which I researched in USA and found that there are two approved drugs for HIV PreP. One is very cheap (like $1 per day) while the other is very expensive (like too much for me to remember).

Another thought is that BB is not necessarily the standards, it is common but not always provided. Also, my internet reading indicates that you need to take PreP for some time before it's protection kicks in. I don't know if that means take it for a few days or a few months.

Please let us know if you get more reliable information.

[HorseTrader]

I had a silicon enhanced MILF over for drinks last year. One thing led to another and soon she was naked in bed, legs apart, waiting for Mr. Happy.

But, I knew she was married to a Farang husband, and so I pulled back, and ultimately sent her home (to her Thai kik). She moved to Germany with her husband.

Last night, a friend of hers told me she might have AIDS. The lady is in an out of the hospital and her hair is falling out. So, I may have dodged a bullet.

How did the bargirl I mentioned before get HIV? She has a young Thai boyfriend, and young Thai men sometimes go with Farangs for quick money. And then pass any infections along to their Thai girlfriend.

Hopefully this lady hasn't infected her German husband.

Are you talking about the same bar girl in both posts? It seems to be a bit of a stretch from her friend saying she "might have AIDS" to her getting it from her Thai boyfriend to her maybe having given it to her German husband. Per separate links provided by SubCmdr (recently) and EihTooms (a while ago), it doesn't look like vaginal sex is a big contributor to HIV being passed from person to person.

Look to getting butt fucked and infected drug needles as major contributors to HIV transmission.

[Explorer8939]

How did the bargirl I mentioned before get HIV? She has a young Thai boyfriend, and young Thai men sometimes go with Farangs for quick money. And then pass any infections along to their Thai girlfriend.

Hopefully this lady hasn't infected her German husband.

[Explorer8939]

I had a silicon enhanced MILF over for drinks last year. One thing led to another and soon she was naked in bed, legs apart, waiting for Mr. Happy.

But, I knew she was married to a Farang husband, and so I pulled back, and ultimately sent her home (to her Thai kik). She moved to Germany with her husband.

Last night, a friend of hers told me she might have AIDS. The lady is in an out of the hospital and her hair is falling out. So, I may have dodged a bullet.

[Maringos]

Hi,

Plan my first trip to Bangkok soon and it seems that BB is the norm.

I am looking for PREEP pills to buy. Where can I find and how much is the average price?

Do I need a prescription?

Anonymity is important to me!

I looked few days back and didn't find that information. Any help?

Thanks.

[LittleBigMan]

I have some insight into the Thai Government HIV care system. Several years ago one of my non-P4P friends got very sick and almost died when the doctors determined she had HIV. The HIV drugs brought her back to health and now you would have no idea she had HIV. Her only life limitation is she must take her daily HIV pills on an empty stomach and eat no food for 2 hours thereafter. Standard drug store HIV tests show negative. She has maintained the same job for 4-years now. She has quarterly doctor appointments where many local HIV patients are seen and evaluated. She gets her medication for the next 3 months and then lives a normal life. As of 3 years ago her HIV medication cost 200 baht quarterly. Since that time her medication has changed and I don't know the price of the new medication.

One observation she made is that more than half the HIV patients were ladyboys.

HIV is not the death sentence that it once was. For Thai people, it isn't even a terrible financial strain.

Very accurate let me add, I'm certainly no expert I know it is very normal for others to talk about HIV as it was nothing today people will take what they read and mode it to justify what they are doing. In the early 80's my work I had people dying daily at that time it was unknown many chalk it up to some blood disease like Mono? I had many family and friends working at the health department at the time who put forth many regulations in the gay bath houses in our City. Just like the movie Phil, my ex-wife worked for a very high profile politician and her driver was gay visiting even before the diagnoses came that was the first time I saw the results of a person being sick or dying from it.

Living here who would have known got to have been over 15 years ago, I attended an expat meeting there I heard and met a Swiss doctor Dr. Seur in Pattaya along with another Thai doctor who oversaw the program at Chon Buri Hospital. Dr. Seur had a non-profit organization who help Thais with HIV, majority of his patients were as you noted Ladyboys.

I've seen some locals in Pattaya that shows the signs in fact my Thai neighbor across the road a LadyBoy had and die from it. Then years ago a GoGo girl I was seeing I met her friend who join us for dinner showed the signs in conversation later I ask to my surprise the answer was yes. She explained the taboo, afraid of the expense not being a resident of Chon Buri. I took her to see Dr. Seur to his private home turn into a clinic and yes many of his clients were Ladyboys, thereafter she was referred to the Thai doctor at Chon Buri hospital.

She was more comfortable than going to Banglamung since so many locals were there at Chon Buri, the doctor clinic area and office was like fort knox no signs tucked away in the back of building. She was started on a regime but more concerning to the lady she didn't want family or friends to know I've seen many outcast due to the ignorance of Thais. Just years ago, in Chon Buri, a non-profit had rented a large house open land serving Kids that were born with Aids neighbors found out and protest and demanded they leave the house.

Sadly, due to their education system believe more in rumors than anything. HIV is no longer a death sentences.

[HorseTrader]

Especially today when people with an HIV diagnosis have probably been put on a relatively low cost regime of medication that keeps their viral load so low it does not show up in a test and therefore they are not even considered "HIV-positive" at that time. Or the lady has such an early stage of infection that it is not showing up in any symptoms yet for her to know about it and seek medical care and at that stage the viral load might also be too low to infect a man inserting his penis into her vagina.

I have some insight into the Thai Government HIV care system. Several years ago one of my non-P4P friends got very sick and almost died when the doctors determined she had HIV. The HIV drugs brought her back to health and now you would have no idea she had HIV. Her only life limitation is she must take her daily HIV pills on an empty stomach and eat no food for 2 hours thereafter. Standard drug store HIV tests show negative. She has maintained the same job for 4-years now. She has quarterly doctor appointments where many local HIV patients are seen and evaluated. She gets her medication for the next 3 months and then lives a normal life. As of 3 years ago her HIV medication cost 200 baht quarterly. Since that time her medication has changed and I don't know the price of the new medication.

One observation she made is that more than half the HIV patients were ladyboys.

HIV is not the death sentence that it once was. For Thai people, it isn't even a terrible financial strain.

[EihTooms]

BBFS 4 out of 10000 as per the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimat...behaviors.html

Perhaps it should be mentioned that, according to that site, it is 4 out of 10,000 bareback insertive penis into vagina exposures with an HIV-positive partner, right? Not just 10,000 bareback fucks with 10,000 random women.

It could be 10,000 bareback fucks with the same HIV-positive partner, could be 1 fuck each with 10,000 different HIV-positive partners, or some combination of the two.

My guess is it would be rare for most of us to even meet an HIV-positive lady in our daily lives, much less fuck her. But it certainly can happen. Would it happen more than 10 times in our lifetimes, much less even close to 100 times, much less 10,000 times? Doubtful, imo.

Especially today when people with an HIV diagnosis have probably been put on a relatively low cost regime of medication that keeps their viral load so low it does not show up in a test and therefore they are not even considered "HIV-positive" at that time. Or the lady has such an early stage of infection that it is not showing up in any symptoms yet for her to know about it and seek medical care and at that stage the viral load might also be too low to infect a man inserting his penis into her vagina.

And, not to downplay any of these more than zero risks, but, seriously, what are the chances that at least 4 of the men who came up HIV-infected in a "10,000 exposures" survey told a bit of a fib about only ever having bareback heterosexual penis into vagina sex and, darn it all, plumb forgot to mention those one dozen or ten dozen times they got fucked in the butt by their longtime companion they never introduced to mom and dad? Only 4 in the study of what must have been hundreds or thousands? I would say the chances of that happening are pretty good.

Not to mention that study conclusion did not control for circumcised or not circumcised, co-factors of other ailments that produced an open sore on the man's penis at the time and so on. Those factors could also easily be in play among that "4 in 10,000 exposures with an HIV-positive partner" study conclusion.

[SubCmdr]

BBFS 4 out of 10000 as per the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimat...behaviors.html

[Explorer8939]

I am well aware that Gardasil-9 is recommended for young people. The question is whether it's available for older people.

[LittleBigMan]

I believe that LBM was being facetious when mentioning an HPV vaccine, and was expressing anti-vax sentiment.

Still no information about whether Gardasil-9 is available in Pattaya.

Thanks, to be honest the talk is getting the vaccine when you are young. Fifty years ago when I got warts and Mono, the doctors made no mention of a vaccine cause it wasn't available as noted. At our age today if back home I was basically saying it would be kind of laughable one going into doctor office at medicare age, hey dr. Can I get the vaccine is it covered under the plan I like to continue eating beaver at my age and don't want to end up like Michael Douglas. LOL.

But also noted maybe no back home maybe it was you to go to Red Cross in Bangkok to get it, not sure BPH has it.

[Explorer8939]

It seems like we can request for the HPV vaccine even if we are older than 45.

There are over 100 strains of HPV, and the HPV vaccine will prevent us from getting the cancer causing strains, assuming we don't already have the cancer causing ones.

I believe that LBM was being facetious when mentioning an HPV vaccine, and was expressing anti-vax sentiment.

Still no information about whether Gardasil-9 is available in Pattaya.

[MassageLover81]

Vaccine or not to vaccine?

Conversation pre-teen obvious many of us past our price.

Medicare age one go see doctor LBM, you get new covid vaccine. Flu shot, shingles, etc, CAN I get HPV LOL!

It seems like we can request for the HPV vaccine even if we are older than 45.

There are over 100 strains of HPV, and the HPV vaccine will prevent us from getting the cancer causing strains, assuming we don't already have the cancer causing ones.

[LittleBigMan]

Vaccine or not to vaccine?

Conversation pre-teen obvious many of us past our price.

Medicare age one go see doctor LBM, you get new covid vaccine. Flu shot, shingles, etc, CAN I get HPV LOL!