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  1. #14671

    From Black Church to Racist Antisemitic Rally...

    Quote Originally Posted by Spidy  [View Original Post]
    Especially, considering the whooper lies, fabrication and blubbering untruths given by Trump's recent awkward "billionaire white man" pleas and grovelling at a Black church (in Detroit)...
    Several key points, I forgot to mention, w/r to pathetic plea and attempt to court Black voters, in Detroit, given the following key points, makes those attempts even more pathetic.

    First, the vast majority of people that packed the Black church in Detroit, were white. And probably all paid white locals to Trump cultists.

    AND

    Second, from the highly staged photo op, in the Black Church, Trump goes directly to a racist conservative rally, host by (racist and closet INCEL) Charlie Kirk, who loves spewing, hateful and racial tropes, about women, Jews and the very Black voters, Trump had just attempted to court. I hear after cutting his teeth on bigotry and a sexist war on women, the closet INCEL, graduated up the Repub "hate ladder", to full-on-racist and antisemite.

    We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in 1960's ...

    How Charlie Kirk Plans to Discredit Martin Luther King Jr. and the Civil Rights Act
    https://www.wired.com/story/charlie-...il-rights-act/
    Kirk blamed “Jewish dollars” for funding “Cultural Marxist ideas." According to Jewish Currents, “Cultural Marxism” is an antisemitic trope that purports that Jewish people are attempting to “undermine traditional American values.”

    Kirk also said ”the number one funding mechanism of radical, open border, neoliberal, quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions, and nonprofits" is “Jewish donors.”

    Charlie Kirk turns to antisemitic stereotypes amid Israel-Hamas war...
    https://www.mediamatters.org/antisem...rael-hamas-war
    Again, Trump's racist "actions" and not his (bumbbling) words, tell Black voters what he REALLY THINKS of the black community. Again, is it any wonder why he only got 8% of the Black vote.

  2. #14670

    Yes, the system is NOT ideal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    I don't know what I can say that I haven't already. A lot of people are in jail who shouldn't be. A lot of businesses are bankrupted or shut down without good reason by greedy plaintiffs and lawyers. Our justice system is far from ideal. You appear to be all for that, at least when the victim is someone you don't like. Trump may deserve huge fines and jail time for things he's done in the past. But not for the specific claims related to the E. Jean Carroll, Stormy Daniels / Karen McDougal, and Deutsche Bank cases. And this is the United States of America, not some podunk banana republic.
    If you read some research into % of wrongly convicted, it comes to about 5% in criminal cases. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazin...of-conviction/.

    I'm going to assume that the jurors got it right, and that he's not one of the 5%. Time will tell with appeals. Haven't got your take on the 34 guity verdict. I've only been responding to your take on the State of NY V. DJT.

    I agree with this sentiment that it is not ideal. So, what we do in a democracy is try to fix these inadequacies by writing legislations to address these problems, over time. You can urge your congressman / senators to write these legislations. That's how it will be fixed.

    From: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/banana-republic.

    Word History and Origins.

    Origin of banana republic1.

    Coined by O. Henry (def) in his short-story collection Cabbages and Kings (1904); originally used to describe those agrarian countries of Central America dependent in the early 20th century on foreign investment in fruit exports.

    Noun.

    , Usually Disparaging.

    1. a small, poor country, often reliant on a single export or limited resource, governed by an authoritarian regime and characterized by corruption and economic exploitation by foreign corporations conspiring with local government officials.

    2. any exploitative government that functions poorly for its citizenry while disproportionately benefiting a corrupt elite group or individual.

    By definition, none of these applies to the case against DJT. I'm going to assume that you're leaning on #2 to prove your point. However, we still have free speech, economy is benefiting most, no war or strifes in the country (political rhetorics do not count, as they would be put down in an actual banana republic state), and a convicted felon can still run for president, so no. This IS still the United States of America, when DJT was president, and the last 4 years as well.

  3. #14669

    Just Deserts

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    Gentlemen, Trump deserves punishment for shenanigans he pulled after the 2020 election. I'd however favor an ankle bracelet while you'd prefer execution. He indeed never deserved to be president. He's a world class narcissist who took advantage of his customers, vendors, bankers, and investors. However, he got railroaded in New York. Prosecutors went after him for political reasons. Juries and judges convicted him and awarded large judgements against him because they didn't like him.
    I love it when other people try to tell me what I think without actually asking and / or listening to me LOL! And no, Chump has lost in both civil and criminal trials, not because he isn't liked, but because the prosecutions / plaintiffs presented the facts in a way to convince the triers of fact, either by a preponderance of the evidence or beyond a reasonable doubt, to decide against Chump. The legal system and the rule of law at work. Chump is not above the law and must pay dearly for his wrongs against other people and the nation. And guess what? If and when the other cases go to trial he's going to lose those too! The idiot is his own worst enemy, he's been a loser throughout his entire career if you look at it closely, and he makes it just oh so easy for the other side to beat him down. Because you see, he's incredibly stupid! Which is so ironic since he called everybody else stupid. He could get started with smartening up by buttoning up his big mouth! Of course, we know he won't do that. I say again. Be patient. The other shoes are going to drop. Chump isn't done getting his!

  4. #14668

    Trump's 1st Term was a historic economic disaster. 2nd Term would be worse!

    Remember Larry Summers, the darling of Mainstream Media back when he was Terrorizing Repubs Into jacking up Trump's Pandemic Inflation higher and longer than it would have been if only they would stop demonizing the brilliant Bidenomics and trust Biden and his team for what is best for the worldwide recovery from Trump's Pandemic?

    Well, he's back. Except this time he has learned his lesson about contradicting much better economic recovery and expansion minds in Biden and his administration so now he is agreeing with them on what a holy hell of a greater disaster Trump's 2nd term would be than his 1st historically horrific Term.

    LOL. Consequently, you probably won't see Summers showing up on many MSM outlets to share his views and have to search him out on sites like this one:

    Summers Says Trump Tax Ideas Mean Mother of All Stagflations
    Former Treasury secretary warns of 10% mortgage rates.
    Summers urges GOP-leaning economists, executives to speak up.
    June 14, 2024


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...l-stagflations

    In a 2nd time around, Trump won't even need to search out, embrace and exacerbate a "Once in 100 Years Disaster" opportunity like most Repubs do and, for just one example, the Trump's Pandemic he created in order to fulfill his Republican Party duty to Crash the Ecomomy, Wipe Out Millions of Jobs and Plunge America Into Another Great Repub Depression / Recession.

    All he will need to do is to keep some or most of his campaign promises.

  5. #14667

    Awwww.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    Gentlemen, Trump deserves punishment for shenanigans he pulled after the 2020 election. I'd however favor an ankle bracelet while you'd prefer execution. He indeed never deserved to be president. He's a world class narcissist who took advantage of his customers, vendors, bankers, and investors. However, he got railroaded in New York. Prosecutors went after him for political reasons. Juries and judges convicted him and awarded large judgements against him because they didn't like him.

    And Trump did himself no favors. His contempt and vitriol may have cost him hundreds of millions of dollars. He shot the finger at The Man (that is, the government), and you don't fuck with The Man. A lot of people who hear him say "I am your retribution" react very differently from you. They see someone standing up to unfair treatment by the government. That's part of why you see him improving marginally in the polls this year. Many thought Trump would be a goner after he was convicted of 34 felonies. They thought wrong. Trump was not treated fairly by courts of New York state and many people know that.

    Despite the polls, Trump probably will lose. On one hand, a majority of Americans have more faith in Trump's economic policies, and Biden is a feeble opponent. On the other hand, Democrats are mad as hell because of abortion and because Trump tried to steal an election. The Democrats are more motivated to vote. I believe that will give them the edge.

    I don't know what I can say that I haven't already. A lot of people are in jail who shouldn't be. A lot of businesses are bankrupted or shut down without good reason by greedy plaintiffs and lawyers. Our justice system is far from ideal. You appear to be all for that, at least when the victim is someone you don't like. Trump may deserve huge fines and jail time for things he's done in the past. But not for the specific claims related to the E. Jean Carroll, Stormy Daniels / Karen McDougal, and Deutsche Bank cases. And this is the United States of America, not some podunk banana republic.

    Despite his extreme problems with character, Trump didn't do that bad of a job during his term in office, and despite what you think the world won't come to an end if he's elected again. Yeah, he and Congress ran up the deficit, and his trade policy was sadly mistaken. But Biden was just as bad on those scores. He's the only president who was willing to reach out to people like Kim and Putin. If he'd been president, there might not have been hundreds of thousands of lives lost in Ukraine. Changes in the way corporations are taxed and deregulation during his term boosted employment, increased wages and helped businesses. He did not as Toom believes cause a worldwide pandemic that killed millions.

    Elvis seems to have disappeared and you gentlemen are happiest when you can pat each other on the back and pass around attaboys, so I"ll leave you to that for a while. Carry on.

    P.S. Spidy I am not gay or bisexual. And I don't fuck elephants. Their pussies are too big.
    *sniff*.

    *sniff*.

    No, really, something got in my eye. Not crying. Really.

    *sniff*.

    You almost had me feeling sorry for the old multiple bankrupt businesses, skyrocketing deficits with nothing to show for it, failed trade war, industry recessions-causing, Pandemic-creating, Insurrection-inciting, cop-killing, election-stealing, democracy-overthrowing fool.

    Until I remembered this:

    Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised.

    https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...3b873e56f80e9a

    Trump administration cut pandemic early warning program in September (2019).
    Predict project wound down three months before outbreak.
    Project had identified 160 potentially dangerous coronaviruses.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...re-coronavirus

    Followed by an acknowledgment and admission by Trump himself that his decisions in 2018 and 2019 caused his Pandemic:

    Trump: "It came out of China. And it should've been stopped. And to be honest with you, Barron, they should've let it be known it was a problem two months earlier. The world wouldn't have a problem. We could have stopped it easily."
    https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/bob...091902598.html

    Followed by a year of him trying to deflect from his worst economic and national security decisions in history by lying about the risk and threat of the virus, mocking the known mitigation measures and convincing anyone stupid enough to listen to him that a vaccine should not me invented or taken; "We've got this under control, it is disappearing already, it will go away without a vaccine"!

    And so I concluded once again that monetary penalties for a self-described multi multi multi Billionaire has to be much, much larger than for, say, one of the 20+ Millon Americans whose job was wiped out thanks to that dude's horrific economic and national security policies and stewardship.

    And that, yep, severe penalties are due a con man who conspired to commit Election Fraud in order to "influence" (steal) an election, without which theft we never would have had that skyrocketing deficit with nothing to show for it except 1 million fewer jobs created with it than without it, Trump's Pandemic, 1 Million+ Americans mass murdered from it, millions more mass murdered around the world, a historic global economic disaster, massive jobs destruction, supply-chains collapsed, the hyper-inflation and skyrocketing costs of rent, food and gas that followed.

    Oh, and that continuing attempt to overthrow American democracy initiated with a War Against America on January 6, 2021, on American soil, declared by him, complete with war deaths, casualties, warriors and hostages while he spent all 1,460 days of his so-called presidency perfectly happy that the USA Military was directly engaged in boots-on-the-ground combat in a War started by the previous Repub potus thingy, too.

    There has been no so-called potus, correction, no single person more responsible for more deaths of Americans, more businesses destroyed and jobs lost, more war-mongering, including on American soil, and more in violation of an elected official's Oath of Office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America than Donald J. Trump.

    Sure, in the minds of Repub Wingers, that result is "not that bad of a job" for just 4 years of effort between golf excursions and no reason to worry about repeating "4 More Years" of it ASAP.

  6. #14666
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCane  [View Original Post]
    Yes what Bill Clinton did was wrong, but it was not an impeachable offense as it was not a "high crime or misdemeanor against the United States". And no, I would not defend anybody who did the things that Trump has done. Trump is the worst President ever as he has no respect for the rule of law or the Constitution of the United States, and he was the first President in our history to not abide by the peaceful transfer of power, among other things. The facts prove that he was unqualified and unfit for office, and I hope and pray that the American people do the right and wise thing by not returning him (and his not ready for prime time players) to the White House ever. That would be the best outcome for the country and the rest of the world.
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Whatever Joe Biden's attorney did with somebody's brother is utterly irrelevant unless they committed a crime in order to influence (steal) an election as their understood and / or stated reason for doing it.

    That is what conspiritors Donald J. Trump, Allen Weisselberg and Michael Cohen over there at Trump Org did. And for no other reason.

    Nobody in the entire organization uttered one word about the falsification of business records being done to spare anyone's hurt feelings. Not Donnie's, not Melania's, not the bratty kids, nobody's.

    It was about influencing (stealing) the election and stated as such by the written description of the scheme by one of the conspirators and testimony under oath by another. The timing of their Election Fraud scheme was precisely at the moment when fellow Repubs were bailing out of endorsing Dear Leader as the election was looming and Trump saw his chances of winning slipping away. It was suggested by one Deadbeat Donald J. Trump to stop making payments on the night of the election because then it would no longer matter if Daniels blabbed. The whole purpose for falsifying those business records would be over by then.

    That is why the jurors knew the scheme was all about Election Fraud in order to steal the election and not even remotely about sparing poor Melania's feeling or anything whatsoever to do with anyone named "Trump" personal shame. LOL.

    And see, falsifying business records in order to commit Election Fraud and Steal an Election happens to be a Big Deal Felony in the State of New York.

    It turns out New Yorkers don't like elections being stolen in their state, even when the theft takes place in their state of a federal election.

    And in case you hadn't noticed or read anything about it in a real news outlet or two, one Big Liar named Donald J. Trump actually sent a violent mob of Insurrectionists to storm the Capital and then sat on his butt for 3+ hours doing nothing except enjoying the show and the reports of cops being attacked, maimed and killed, his VP being stalked for a public hanging and the Speaker of the House being stalked for a kidnapping or assasination all because he and his vicious mob of America-haters were a wee bit upset about the Big Lie that Big Liar had told them about an election being stolen.

    When, unlike the 34 Felonies that Big Liar named Trump committed in New York State, did not happen anywhere in any state except for at least one other instance of it being done by that same Big Liar in the State of Georgia. Allegedly. LOL.
    Quote Originally Posted by CheckMate1  [View Original Post]
    So, he's found liable?!

    Pick a lane. Can't argue that it's "Kangaroo" and then say he "deserves to pay some fine". If he deserve to pay some fine, then he's a loser of civil lawsuit, to which the plaintiff proved in a court of law. Again, "The People" brought evidence and proved their case in court. The loser of the case was not defended well, and lost.

    As for the amount, it is arbitrary, but the judge gets to decide how much, not us, not the defendant, not pundits. Happens everyday in court, we don't go around saying how unfair it is for one defendant to pay X, and another paying Y on civil litigations. Sure we can opine on it, but just log that as an opinion, not fact.

    DJT could have settled for far less, but chose the path of litigation. That's on him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Spidy  [View Original Post]
    Nah, not really! Trump's conviction was good for democracy and The Rule of Law. But you'll have to stay tuned, if you want "twisted" as your hero Trump, appeals to "his" SCOTUS.

    As for the ACLU, well we all live with disappointment...everyday! I would liked to watch FOXY Muse, once in a while on a consistent basis, but I can't stand, being lied to. And that is of course, until I found out it is mostly Republican lies and just another Repub/QAnon/MAGA propaganda machine.

    Tiny 12, between you and Elvis 2008, I don't know who genuinely cares more for my well being? Really...you guys are too much! (...kkkk!) From Earth #2, to your newly constructed, "Hypothetical World" aka."Hypo World" (...kkkk!)

    I mean, first there's "Paycheck Superhero", Elvis 2008, telling me, I'm some kind of "gov't paycheck villain" and (BTW I'm still hoping, Spidy will get his a $84 million gov't super yacht, just like Russia gave Zelensky, so he can live up to the super villain billing...), now you, Tiny 12, bring us crime fighting the evils of "partisanship" to a whole new level, in "Hypo World"?

    This "Hypo World", of yours sounds so interesting and very supportive of the LGBTQ community. Fair enough, I'm curious...I'll play along!

    Hypo World by Tiny 12:

    So now that we're in "Hypo World" and one of the superheros "Hypo-Pathetic Boy" (aka.Tiny 12), is dolling out "support" and is on a quest to defeat unjust laws and "partisanship" (especially among the Dems), with his all-knowing bi-partisan "hypo-support" super power, in what must be, a Repub Libertarian version and spin-off series to Elvis 2008's "Paycheck Superhero" series, back on Earth #2...will our hero succeed?

    BTW, Tiny 12, now that "Paycheck Superhero", Elvis 2008, has had a chance to clear his inbox...have you guys decided, if this new series will be a shared delusional collaboration? Or will "Hypo-Pathetic Boy", solely own the rights, making and direction of "Hypo World" and all the writing support that comes with?

    Will this "hypo libertarian support world" of yours, be a true Repub Libertarian dystopian political drama, with Chase "Armed and Gay" Oliver, as President, but still in the closet?

    Does Spidy, get to play the super villain, again? Does the super villain, get his $84 million dollar gov't yacht? And as the super villain, is "withholding support", Spidy's super power?

    Tiny 12, so in your "Hypo World", in the episode where "Hypo-Pathetic Boy" is out of the closet and tells "Paycheck Superhero", he loves him (aah!) and they have a unlawful, but yet traditional bi-partisan LGBTQ marriage ceremony and have sex together in a 3-way with an elephant (not sure how that's possible, but anyways it's "Hypo World"), does an ex-president with 34-felony charges, and a rabid Repub, police and FBI force, hunt down our gay superheros?

    Does Spidy, as the super villain, use his super powers and deny the gay superhero couple's rights to wed in a 3-way copulation with an elephant? Wow!...If so, that's some heartless super villain "withholding support" shit you've got line up for Spidy. But I'm sure that episode is going be one helluva tearjerker!

    Yikes, what now, awaits our super villain on his voyage of self-discovery in "Hypo World"? And what does "Hypo-Pathetic Boy", really mean when he says, "Happy to support you..."???

    Stay tuned for the next episode of "Hypo World", where "Hypo-Pathetic Boy", is sure to amaze us, with more elephant 3-way action and dazzle us with mighty feats of super powered bi-partisan "hypo-support"!
    Gentlemen, Trump deserves punishment for shenanigans he pulled after the 2020 election. I'd however favor an ankle bracelet while you'd prefer execution. He indeed never deserved to be president. He's a world class narcissist who took advantage of his customers, vendors, bankers, and investors. However, he got railroaded in New York. Prosecutors went after him for political reasons. Juries and judges convicted him and awarded large judgements against him because they didn't like him.

    And Trump did himself no favors. His contempt and vitriol may have cost him hundreds of millions of dollars. He shot the finger at The Man (that is, the government), and you don't fuck with The Man. A lot of people who hear him say "I am your retribution" react very differently from you. They see someone standing up to unfair treatment by the government. That's part of why you see him improving marginally in the polls this year. Many thought Trump would be a goner after he was convicted of 34 felonies. They thought wrong. Trump was not treated fairly by courts of New York state and many people know that.

    Despite the polls, Trump probably will lose. On one hand, a majority of Americans have more faith in Trump's economic policies, and Biden is a feeble opponent. On the other hand, Democrats are mad as hell because of abortion and because Trump tried to steal an election. The Democrats are more motivated to vote. I believe that will give them the edge.

    I don't know what I can say that I haven't already. A lot of people are in jail who shouldn't be. A lot of businesses are bankrupted or shut down without good reason by greedy plaintiffs and lawyers. Our justice system is far from ideal. You appear to be all for that, at least when the victim is someone you don't like. Trump may deserve huge fines and jail time for things he's done in the past. But not for the specific claims related to the E. Jean Carroll, Stormy Daniels / Karen McDougal, and Deutsche Bank cases. And this is the United States of America, not some podunk banana republic.

    Despite his extreme problems with character, Trump didn't do that bad of a job during his term in office, and despite what you think the world won't come to an end if he's elected again. Yeah, he and Congress ran up the deficit, and his trade policy was sadly mistaken. But Biden was just as bad on those scores. He's the only president who was willing to reach out to people like Kim and Putin. If he'd been president, there might not have been hundreds of thousands of lives lost in Ukraine. Changes in the way corporations are taxed and deregulation during his term boosted employment, increased wages and helped businesses. He did not as Toom believes cause a worldwide pandemic that killed millions.

    Elvis seems to have disappeared and you gentlemen are happiest when you can pat each other on the back and pass around attaboys, so I"ll leave you to that for a while. Carry on.

    P.S. Spidy I am not gay or bisexual. And I don't fuck elephants. Their pussies are too big.

  7. #14665
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    You want them to violate the Statute of Limitations in order to bust me for mongering in other countries 12+ years ago?
    LOL. Seriously, Tooms, you are such a douche. After this "felony" conviction which was at worst a misdemeanor had a two year statue of limitations and New York concocted a way to get around the statue of limitations for E. Jean Carroll, you think statue of limitations is going to stave off a hot to trot prosecutor for you? That is why you are such a douche. You think statue of limitations should apply to you and not to Trump.

    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Unlike Trump's crimes, the Statute of Limitations for any blow job or fuck I paid for such that the USA would consider it a crime did not get extended that much due to the hold put on the world during Trump's Pandemic. LOL.
    Not quite sure what that means, but I think the time Trump allegedly had sex with Stormy Daniels was 2006. If they could go after him for sex that long ago, why would they not do that with you? And thanks for saying, you engaged in an illegal activity. That was like pulling teeth.

    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Have you got a link to a USA Penal Code number that you think I have violated? Please post it.
    That is easy. Let's go with the California law of sexual assault where there is no statue of limitations. All the hookers you have been with in that world are solidly mentally stable and not one of them would not say you assaulted them if they got secondary gain like E. Jean Carroll did? That woman is a complete fucking night job, and I do not even think Trump had sex with her.

    Then you have this state misdemeanor statue converted into a federal felony and it really gets stupid. That was completely made up by a prosecutor and a judge went along with it, so I do not have to list any federal statue to get you, I can just convert any state misdemeanor into a felony.

    What cracks me up is you think getting a prosecutor and judge together to make up a law and then having a jury in Manhattan convict Trump is this epic accomplishment when it just shows how easy it is to rig a trial. Of course, it will be overturned. It is just a matter of who does it and when.

  8. #14664
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCane  [View Original Post]
    YTrump is the worst President ever as he has no respect for the rule of law or the Constitution of the United States, and he was the first President in our history to not abide by the peaceful transfer of power, among other things. The facts prove that he was unqualified and unfit for office, and I hope and pray that the American people do the right and wise thing by not returning him (and his not ready for prime time players) to the White House ever.
    Talk about your hyperbole. Obama droned and killed an American citizen without a trial and GWB approved the use of torture and could have easily be convicted on war crimes. Trump is not in the same ballpark. You have pure Trump derangement syndrome.

  9. #14663

    Hypo World?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny 12  [View Original Post]
    If there ever was a politically twisted version of how the Rule of Law has not held up to its billing, it's Trump's 34 felony convictions for paying off Stormy Daniels. And I have gotten out and fought. I was a contributor to and card carrying member of the ACLU before it became a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party.
    Nah, not really! Trump's conviction was good for democracy and The Rule of Law. But you'll have to stay tuned, if you want "twisted" as your hero Trump, appeals to "his" SCOTUS.

    As for the ACLU, well we all live with disappointment...everyday! I would liked to watch FOXY Muse, once in a while on a consistent basis, but I can't stand, being lied to. And that is of course, until I found out it is mostly Republican lies and just another Repub/QAnon/MAGA propaganda machine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny 12  [View Original Post]
    Sure Spidy. I full support your right to change your sex, provided you're 21 years of age. And your right to use marijuana, provided you're 18 years of age. Also your right to pay for sex with a donkey, provided said donkey is at least 18 years of age and consenting. And finally, if you were a women, I would support your right to get an abortion, provided it's under 15 weeks from conception in accordance with the Trump Doctrine.

    These are all hypotheticals. I believe you're a pretty normal, decent type who's not looking for donkey sex, etc., even though you are a partisan Democrat.
    Tiny 12, between you and Elvis 2008, I don't know who genuinely cares more for my well being? Really...you guys are too much! (...kkkk!) From Earth #2, to your newly constructed, "Hypothetical World" aka."Hypo World" (...kkkk!)

    I mean, first there's "Paycheck Superhero", Elvis 2008, telling me, I'm some kind of "gov't paycheck villain" and (BTW I'm still hoping, Spidy will get his a $84 million gov't super yacht, just like Russia gave Zelensky, so he can live up to the super villain billing...), now you, Tiny 12, bring us crime fighting the evils of "partisanship" to a whole new level, in "Hypo World"?

    This "Hypo World", of yours sounds so interesting and very supportive of the LGBTQ community. Fair enough, I'm curious...I'll play along!

    Hypo World by Tiny 12:

    So now that we're in "Hypo World" and one of the superheros "Hypo-Pathetic Boy" (aka.Tiny 12), is dolling out "support" and is on a quest to defeat unjust laws and "partisanship" (especially among the Dems), with his all-knowing bi-partisan "hypo-support" super power, in what must be, a Repub Libertarian version and spin-off series to Elvis 2008's "Paycheck Superhero" series, back on Earth #2...will our hero succeed?

    BTW, Tiny 12, now that "Paycheck Superhero", Elvis 2008, has had a chance to clear his inbox...have you guys decided, if this new series will be a shared delusional collaboration? Or will "Hypo-Pathetic Boy", solely own the rights, making and direction of "Hypo World" and all the writing support that comes with?

    Will this "hypo libertarian support world" of yours, be a true Repub Libertarian dystopian political drama, with Chase "Armed and Gay" Oliver, as President, but still in the closet?

    Does Spidy, get to play the super villain, again? Does the super villain, get his $84 million dollar gov't yacht? And as the super villain, is "withholding support", Spidy's super power?

    Tiny 12, so in your "Hypo World", in the episode where "Hypo-Pathetic Boy" is out of the closet and tells "Paycheck Superhero", he loves him (aah!) and they have a unlawful, but yet traditional bi-partisan LGBTQ marriage ceremony and have sex together in a 3-way with an elephant (not sure how that's possible, but anyways it's "Hypo World"), does an ex-president with 34-felony charges, and a rabid Repub, police and FBI force, hunt down our gay superheros?

    Does Spidy, as the super villain, use his super powers and deny the gay superhero couple's rights to wed in a 3-way copulation with an elephant? Wow!...If so, that's some heartless super villain "withholding support" shit you've got line up for Spidy. But I'm sure that episode is going be one helluva tearjerker!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny 12  [View Original Post]
    Happy to support you on your voyage of self discovery!
    Yikes, what now, awaits our super villain on his voyage of self-discovery in "Hypo World"? And what does "Hypo-Pathetic Boy", really mean when he says, "Happy to support you..."???

    Stay tuned for the next episode of "Hypo World", where "Hypo-Pathetic Boy", is sure to amaze us, with more elephant 3-way action and dazzle us with mighty feats of super powered bi-partisan "hypo-support"!

  10. #14662
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    I don't think Judge "Kangaroo" Engoron's decision should or will be reversed. Trump deserves to pay some fine for misrepresenting his statements of financial condition. But, taking a more extreme example, you don't execute people for jaywalking.
    So, he's found liable?!

    Pick a lane. Can't argue that it's "Kangaroo" and then say he "deserves to pay some fine". If he deserve to pay some fine, then he's a loser of civil lawsuit, to which the plaintiff proved in a court of law. Again, "The People" brought evidence and proved their case in court. The loser of the case was not defended well, and lost.

    As for the amount, it is arbitrary, but the judge gets to decide how much, not us, not the defendant, not pundits. Happens everyday in court, we don't go around saying how unfair it is for one defendant to pay X, and another paying Y on civil litigations. Sure we can opine on it, but just log that as an opinion, not fact.

    DJT could have settled for far less, but chose the path of litigation. That's on him.

  11. #14661
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    You gentlemen are letting your partisanship get the best of you. You make about as much sense as the Republicans who wanted to impeach Bill Clinton for lying about blow jobs. If a Democratic Party presidential candidate did what Trump did in the Stormy Daniels / Karen McDougal case and were prosecuted you'd be defending him.

    Michael Cohen was caught on tax evasion and so the Feds were able to get him to plead guilty to the campaign finance charges. Maybe the Republicans can use that as a precedent to go after Joe Biden's attorney for channeling money to his brother. The Democrats want to put all the Republicans in jail and vice versa. You gentlemen should think about who's going to be left to pay for big government if you put all the taxpayers in jail.
    Whatever Joe Biden's attorney did with somebody's brother is utterly irrelevant unless they committed a crime in order to influence (steal) an election as their understood and / or stated reason for doing it.

    That is what conspiritors Donald J. Trump, Allen Weisselberg and Michael Cohen over there at Trump Org did. And for no other reason.

    Nobody in the entire organization uttered one word about the falsification of business records being done to spare anyone's hurt feelings. Not Donnie's, not Melania's, not the bratty kids, nobody's.

    It was about influencing (stealing) the election and stated as such by the written description of the scheme by one of the conspirators and testimony under oath by another. The timing of their Election Fraud scheme was precisely at the moment when fellow Repubs were bailing out of endorsing Dear Leader as the election was looming and Trump saw his chances of winning slipping away. It was suggested by one Deadbeat Donald J. Trump to stop making payments on the night of the election because then it would no longer matter if Daniels blabbed. The whole purpose for falsifying those business records would be over by then.

    That is why the jurors knew the scheme was all about Election Fraud in order to steal the election and not even remotely about sparing poor Melania's feeling or anything whatsoever to do with anyone named "Trump" personal shame. LOL.

    And see, falsifying business records in order to commit Election Fraud and Steal an Election happens to be a Big Deal Felony in the State of New York.

    It turns out New Yorkers don't like elections being stolen in their state, even when the theft takes place in their state of a federal election.

    And in case you hadn't noticed or read anything about it in a real news outlet or two, one Big Liar named Donald J. Trump actually sent a violent mob of Insurrectionists to storm the Capital and then sat on his butt for 3+ hours doing nothing except enjoying the show and the reports of cops being attacked, maimed and killed, his VP being stalked for a public hanging and the Speaker of the House being stalked for a kidnapping or assasination all because he and his vicious mob of America-haters were a wee bit upset about the Big Lie that Big Liar had told them about an election being stolen.

    When, unlike the 34 Felonies that Big Liar named Trump committed in New York State, did not happen anywhere in any state except for at least one other instance of it being done by that same Big Liar in the State of Georgia. Allegedly. LOL.

  12. #14660

    Yes and No

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    You gentlemen are letting your partisanship get the best of you. You make about as much sense as the Republicans who wanted to impeach Bill Clinton for lying about blow jobs. If a Democratic Party presidential candidate did what Trump did in the Stormy Daniels / Karen McDougal case and were prosecuted you'd be defending him.
    Yes what Bill Clinton did was wrong, but it was not an impeachable offense as it was not a "high crime or misdemeanor against the United States". And no, I would not defend anybody who did the things that Trump has done. Trump is the worst President ever as he has no respect for the rule of law or the Constitution of the United States, and he was the first President in our history to not abide by the peaceful transfer of power, among other things. The facts prove that he was unqualified and unfit for office, and I hope and pray that the American people do the right and wise thing by not returning him (and his not ready for prime time players) to the White House ever. That would be the best outcome for the country and the rest of the world.

  13. #14659

    Biden's Record Breaking Job Accomplishments! Meanwhile back in Detroit...

    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Now, why can't Trump or any other Repub do this rather than produce all the Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years?

    And after outgoing Dem presidents hand them much, much better economic conditions than any outgoing Repub ever handed an incoming Dem.

    Is it because they just don't want to? I'm beginning to think that is the only possible reason. I mean, damn, not even in 100 years!

    Record-Breaking Accomplishments On Jobs And Unemployment Under Biden.
    June 7, 2024


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/richard...t-under-biden/
    Great job numbers all around and more good news for Black voters, from Joe Biden the 14th Best President in U.S. History.

    Tight labor markets during Bidens presidency have helped. In April, we saw the lowest gap between Black and White unemployment ever recorded, and the Biden Administration has been proactive in addressing persistent racial gaps in employment and society.
    Yet another great jobs report and according to the article, extremely positive news for Black voters looking for yet another, reason to vote for Biden.

    Especially, considering the whooper lies, fabrication and blubbering untruths given by Trump's recent awkward "billionaire white man" pleas and grovelling at a Black church (in Detroit), for the Black vote, in what can only be seen as a pathetic display of desperation, given the fact that, historical data shows, that 82% of Black voters, vote for Dems, Detroit is a Black voting stronghold and only 8% Black voters voted for him in 2020.

    But good on Detroit, if they can get Trump to spend a large amount of campaign dollars in their city. I'd love to see it happen!

  14. #14658
    You gentlemen are letting your partisanship get the best of you. You make about as much sense as the Republicans who wanted to impeach Bill Clinton for lying about blow jobs. If a Democratic Party presidential candidate did what Trump did in the Stormy Daniels / Karen McDougal case and were prosecuted you'd be defending him.

    Michael Cohen was caught on tax evasion and so the Feds were able to get him to plead guilty to the campaign finance charges. Maybe the Republicans can use that as a precedent to go after Joe Biden's attorney for channeling money to his brother. The Democrats want to put all the Republicans in jail and vice versa. You gentlemen should think about who's going to be left to pay for big government if you put all the taxpayers in jail.

  15. #14657

    Why is it so ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    OK, yeah, I gave you the condensed version. He was convicted for keeping false business records by channeling payments to Daniels through his attorney, and for failure to disclose that as a campaign contribution. He called it legal expense, but never deducted the expense from his taxable income. This was logical. Trump signs his own checks but he doesn't do the accounting, and undoubtedly he didn't want rumors floating around his organization (and getting back to Melania and his kids) about paying off a porn star. So he didn't just write a check to Stormy. And admittedly it wouldn't have helped his presidential campaign if this got out. But calling that an unreported campaign contribution? It's ridiculous.
    Ridiculous? He paid her to get elected.

    Maybe he didn't really need it to get elected. Maybe he would've been elected even if Stormy had personally informed every one of his supporters about the event. In fact, his horrible Access Hollywood tape didn't seem to hurt him one bit. Maybe he would've received even more votes for storming Stormy, because seriously -- the more I'm looking at Trump's camp -- the more it reminds me of Johnstown.

    But in his mind he did believe that paying Stormy was preferable in order to improve his chances. As a lay person, I'd say "unreported campaign contribution" is fairly accurate in this context. What else was it? Payment for services rendered?

    There is nothing ridiculous about it.

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