Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[SubCmdr]

Thai girls will say EXACTLY what you want to hear. I bet that same Thai girl will say to a Korean she has never gone with a Farang or black guy. Not implying you did but many guys fall in love with Thai girls because they believe they are special. I never believe what comes out of a Thai girl's mouth. Show me with action.

You continue to keep it 100 My ATF wins my affections through her actions, not her words!

We got to many people posting shit out of their assholes. Nice to read the posts of a brother who is putting real knowledge into peoples eyeholes.

[SubCmdr]

You should just go fuck yourself

No real need to do that as I got plenty of girls that will do that for me and more. This is Pattaya and no matter how much you and your hero want to minimize my posting history you cannot. Sorry for you.

you trashy ghetto shit stirring basement troll fantasist *****.

Doesn't change who you are Nyezhov. A dumb ass chap born with a silver spoon up your ass where you believe the hype that the birth lottery made you superior to all others. You continue to exhibit small minded behavior as you attempt to compensate for your smal dick. You are nothing more than more than an sad old man who has become a keyboard warrior that really gets off spouting your vitriol here in the Rants section.

That sentence is all your bullshit and made up stories deserves.

This is rich considering how much you enjoy made up stories.

Nyezhov wrote this about the creative writing of EverythingThai.

EverythingThai is funnier and a better writer. No matter what you do or say, you are and always will be an asshat.

[Banana Boi]

I was the only American that some of them have ever gone out with.

Thai girls will say EXACTLY what you want to hear. I bet that same Thai girl will say to a Korean she has never gone with a Farang or black guy. Not implying you did but many guys fall in love with Thai girls because they believe they are special. I never believe what comes out of a Thai girl's mouth. Show me with action.

[EihTooms]

Here are the important points that possibly refute what you have just stated:

Section 4. In this Act, "prostitution" means sexual intercourse, or any other act, or the commission of any other act in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person in a promiscuous manner in return for earning or any other benefit, irrespective of whether the person who accepts the act and the person who commits the act are of the same sex or not;.

Section 4 defines the word prostitution for use in this law.

Section 5. Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, introduces herself or himself to, follows or importunes a person in a street, public place or any other place, which is committed openly and shamelessly or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht.

I get your point here as section 5 seems to be only in public, but how about section 7?

Section 7. Any person who advertises or agrees to advertise, induces or introduces by means of documents or printed matters, or by any means makes known to the public in a manner apparently indicative of importunity or solicitation for the prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of six months to two years or to a fine of ten thousand to forty thousand Baht or to both.

Section 7 refers to advertising and this can also include Thai Friendly and Tinder where the girl and you discuss online and or the Gil writes something in her profile.

Youn have to find out the girl is a freelancer right? You can only find this out in a public place when she tells you in a bar, club or on beach road. That covers Section 5. Or you find out online and that covers section 7..

I have said the concept of negotiating a P4P deal online through a social network or app is "new" and, imo, untested on this topic.

But first the Section 7 stipulation would require the authorities to conclude that a girl's description of herself and what she is into on ThaiFriendly or Tinder is an ad and not just a personal message to whom it may concern. I don't think TF or Tinder allows explicit ads with pricing or requests for money in exchange for anything, not just P4 P. But I am not sure about that.

Meanwhile, if the powers that be in Thailand have concluded that TF and Tinder are as public and easily visible to the casual passerby in this regard as the corner of Sukhumvit and Asoke, then they ought to say so and put the prostitutes whose quality of life they state they are trying to improve a chance to avoid getting busted for running an ad. Again, busted for running an ad as stipulated in Section 7, not for being a prostitute or engaging in prostitution, behaviors that are not characterized as being illegal among consenting adults in Sections 4, 5, 7 or anywhere else in the Act or the Code, either in plain language, fancy language, legalese or any other way that I could find or anyone else could cite and quote.

Youn have to find out the girl is a freelancer right? You can only find this out in a public place when she tells you in a bar, club or on beach road. That covers Section 5. Or you find out online and that covers section 7.

See, I don't see where the ordinary kind of conversation you are referring to pertains to Section 5 at all unless it is "committed openly and shamelessly or causes nuisance to the public". Not a normal conversation between two people out of ear shot of anyone else or not done among such a congregation of hookers and customers that ordinary tourists can not even walk on Beach Road across from Mike's Mall to Ripley's Believe It Or Not. Then it becomes a public nuisance.

Now, that kind of hooker congestion condition has occasionally come up on Soi 4 in Bangkok, where the gauntlet of FLs is so daunting that tourists can barely enter and exit restaurants, shops and hotels. Typically it is the restaurant, shop or hotel that lodges a complaint. And then those street FLs will get rounded up in a sweep. Again and as always, the charge and reason for the sweep is never "prostitution". It is for loitering, creating a public nuisance or in some cases for not having a valid visa or work permit.

No customer or potential customer has ever been caught up in the crowd and carted off in the paddy wagon in those cases.

I would be happy to concede that the act of prostitution is illegal in Thailand if only it said so in words, stick figures or sign language somewhere in the Thai Penal Code or that addendum 1996 Act. But it doesn't.

Section 4 merely defines the word "prostitution", tells what it means so we will know what they are talking about when they clearly state that advertizing it, forcing someone to do it, trafficking prostitutes, procuring a prostitute for someone else, living off the proceeds of a prostitute, running a business where you rake off a profit from someone else engaging in prostitution and so on is illegal and punishable by whatever. It does not tell me or anyone else that engaging in prostitution itself is illegal.

Yes, have a great one or three, EThai!

[Nyezhov]

Really? Because you have smaller genitals and you spend money?

Post of the Year.

[Pimpampoumpipo]

Even in Thailand, many of the young bar girls prefer going with guys who are East Asian (Korean, Chinese) because they generally have smaller genitals and they spend money. I was the only American that some of them have ever gone out with.

Really? Because you have smaller genitals and you spend money?

[EverythingThai]

They are not investigating or interrogating people who have engaged in discrete, private arrangements and negotiations for P4 P or even consenting adult couples or groups on their way to a hotel to engage in P4 P, none of which is cited in any Penal Code or Act that I have yet seen as a crime justifying any penalty.

Here are the important points that possibly refute what you have just stated:

Section 4. In this Act, "prostitution" means sexual intercourse, or any other act, or the commission of any other act in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person in a promiscuous manner in return for earning or any other benefit, irrespective of whether the person who accepts the act and the person who commits the act are of the same sex or not;.

Section 4 defines the word prostitution for use in this law.

Section 5. Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, introduces herself or himself to, follows or importunes a person in a street, public place or any other place, which is committed openly and shamelessly or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht.

I get your point here as section 5 seems to be only in public, but how about section 7?

Section 7. Any person who advertises or agrees to advertise, induces or introduces by means of documents or printed matters, or by any means makes known to the public in a manner apparently indicative of importunity or solicitation for the prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of six months to two years or to a fine of ten thousand to forty thousand Baht or to both.

Section 7 refers to advertising and this can also include Thai Friendly and Tinder where the girl and you discuss online and or the Gil writes something in her profile.

Youn have to find out the girl is a freelancer right? You can only find this out in a public place when she tells you in a bar, club or on beach road. That covers Section 5. Or you find out online and that covers section 7.

This is how I interpret the law as I have referenced above.

How do I know? Let's just say I have access to first hand legal info and leave it at that. Therefore, prostitution as defined under Thai law is illegal. It all starts in public or online.

Don't forget you said very plainly before that prostitution in Thailand was legal. However, it is very clearly not legal. You can't just change the rules now and say if in private it's legal. Every initial interaction will either be in public or online and that's where you will find out the lady is selling herself. Therefore, that initial conversation where you find out the lady is selling herself will either take place online or in public. Both fall under section 4, 5, and 7. It is what you say before getting her in your condo or hotel that will incriminate you and the lady for arguments sake.

Just my 2 cents worth Tooms. Cheers and happy mongering.

[Nyezhov]

Nyezhov wrote this about the creative writing of EverythingThai.

Now he writes this:

Not being discussed in the best light by your other WHWMF creative writing friend? You two should get on the same page. He wrote this about you too:

I don't see why anyone would be scared of you Nyezhov unless the fear is being board to death by your posts.

You should just go fuck yourself you trashy ghetto shit stirring basement troll fantasist *****.

That sentence is all your bullshit and made up stories deserves.

[SubCmdr]

Here is a story of CaliPomPomGuy. His position and attitudes about posts are dependent on if a massage girl has her finger of his ass when she is jerking him off.

When the finger is up his ass, he is riding the dick of ETPhoneHome the resident frustrated created writer who uses fictional stories to talk about people who have bested him in other Thailand Threads when he gets called out for talking out the side of his neck about 40 drinks, Beach Road girls, Maggie Mays and if prostitution is legal in Thailand.

When he does not have a finger of a massage girl up his ass CaliPomPomGuy is a much more reasonable person who has often giving me praise about my reports on the actual conditions from actual perspective of having boots on the ground in Pattaya.

I guess that what happens when a person is dependent upon digital rectal thought control. I suggest CaliPomPomGuy, get that finger out of his ass, takes off his short skirt, put his pom poms down, be a man and file a trip report on his activities in Pattaya. One that is true, not bad internet porn creative writing like his hero ETPhoneHome does.

Took the rock straight to the hoop and dunked right in his mother fucker place. Oh that was nasty!.

[EihTooms]

http://www.asianlii.org/th/legis/con...pasopa1996528/

Ah, which might bring us inevitably to the very showy annual stroll through Pattaya's Walking Street by the Chief of Police where it is grandly announced that they "found no evidence of prostitution here, nothing illegal is going on. ".

We all know how comical that sounds and I suppose it is understandable that someone would think the police are only turning a blind eye to all the "illegal" P4 P arrangements and trysts originating or perhaps taking place there.

But no. Read it again. Pay closer attention to the words they are using and not exactly to the spin on it in the headline. What they are looking for is "evidence" of prostitution going on, which could truly be illegal if it is the kind of "shameless" and "open" banner brandishing, loud verbal and visual antics that could fall within the concept of a "public nuisance" or as they state here "untoward. ".

They are not investigating or interrogating people who have engaged in discrete, private arrangements and negotiations for P4 P or even consenting adult couples or groups on their way to a hotel to engage in P4 P, none of which is cited in any Penal Code or Act that I have yet seen as a crime justifying any penalty.

Sure, they and everyone smile at the charade aspect of it. But the charade aspect of it, what they are looking for and in reality are not finding in those walk throughs is 100% in keeping with what is stated as infractions in the Thai Penal Code and the PROSTITUTION PREVENTION AND SUPPRESSION ACT OF 1996; blatantly shameless and open "evidence" of prostitution being offered or requested, behavior even a tourist or casual observer could "spot", not discrete negotiations for P4 P taking place in private.

Video: Large police and army contingent inspect Walking Street - no prostitution found!

https://aseannow.com/topic/1105034-v...itution-found/

Pattaya's finest have once again been unable to find any evidence of prostitution in Thailand's most famous red light district.

Tourists have been advised to phone 191 if they spot anything.

Pattaya Update News posted a video and reported that a large contingent of police and military men joined with Department of Provincial Administration staff in inspecting Walking Street, South Pattaya last night.

The gathering strode manfully down the main drag and even went inside some establishments. Lots of pictures and videos were taken for the record.

The media said on Facebook that the point of the visit was to uncover evidence of prostitution and under age sex in the important tourist area frequented by many visitors.

Nothing untoward of any kind was found and no arrests were reported.

Deputy Chonburi police chief Pol Col Pongphan Wongmaneethet - standing in for the Pattaya police chief - said that if tourists or the public do see anything they can call 191.

Or they can contact the tourist police stationed at the end of the street if they spot anything illegal.

Thaivisa notes that previous exercises of this nature last year also failed to turn up any evidence. It might be concluded that such events are PR exercises, we note.

[EihTooms]

http://www.asianlii.org/th/legis/con...pasopa1996528/

My god, this goes back to 1996 and replaced a previous "royal edict" by the same personage in 1960.

I am now sure I read this one before because, unlike the wording in the Thai Penal Code, it is much clearer about the "illegally" of exchanging sex for money (prostitution) with persons under the age of 18, with a greater penalty at work if the person is under age 15, which I had posted about with more confidence years ago but alluded to it recently as being a bit vague in the Thai Penal Code. The wording in this Act is much clearer about that. See Section 8. But only with regard to offering money for sex with someone 15-18, not with regard to having sex for other reasons such as for love, pleasure, curiosity or sport.

I had previously referred to some of the somewhat different potential elements in this Act vs the Thai Penal Code as "unenforceable". And I still see it that way. How can a negotiation for P4 P whispered into the ear of the customer and prostitute in a bar, club, on the street or anywhere else be policed and enforced? When would I get a knock on my apartment or hotel door from the cops after negotiating a time and price with a Freelancer on Line? Since 1960/1996 nothing like that has happened to anyone that I know of. Line didn't even exist back then.

And since this Act (and the Thai Penal Code) is really only concerned about what is done "shamelessly" and "openly" and never addresses the central issue of the simple exchange of sex for money, discretely, between or among consenting adults I think even the customers and prostitutes negotiating a P4 P deal in front of the Nana Hotel sign on Soi 4 are safe from getting busted for "creating a public nuisance" as long as nobody is shouting out sex acts and prices loud enough for it to be heard by passing taxi riders. Which would be silly anyway considering most of those girls are deaf.

Section 5. Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, introduces herself or himself to, follows or importunes a person in a street, public place or any other place, which is committed openly and shamelessly or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht.

Highlighted by me.

Note that there are several references throughout that Act to "the prostitution business" or "establishment" as though it is a given that such places exist and they have no quibble with that fact unless there are age or "shameless" and "open" elements of the business.

And it is clearly stated that the purpose of the Act is to improve the quality of life for prostitutes, not to outlaw their chosen profession or to arrest them or to arrest their customers for it:

Section 15. P.O.C. shall have the following powers and duties:

(1) to determine policies with regard to the protection and occupational development, including the development of the quality of life of prostitutes;

Again, as in the Thai Penal Code, they express no objection to the idea of a private, discrete exchange of money for sex among consenting adults or for the establishment of a discrete "prostitution business" or for someone choosing the occupation of "prostitute". They only have objections to the usual factors related to age, force, shameless and open displays of the activity and other issues of it becoming a public nuisance that has been the Thai position on it probably since 1960, well before anyone reading this was mongering in Thailand.

[SubCmdr]

At first I was a critic, but your stories are growing on me, you killed it on this one.

Exactly, stories! With Zero redeeming value same same with the posts of the individual writing the stories in question.

[Member #4838]

This story revolves around a man struggling with schizophrenia, using multiple online personas to navigate a complex world of conflicting thoughts and emotions. His real identity is fragmented into five distinct online characters "1 Drink", "Baj Patel", "Sub Par", "UglyAzzDude", and "Fuckezhov. " Each profile reflects a different facet of his psyche, creating a chaotic yet compelling presence on a sex forum.

"1 Drink" is the self-righteous enforcer, obsessed with ensuring that everyone follows the forum rules. He lashes out at anyone who dares preach about safe sex, believing it's his duty to keep the discussions raw and unfiltered. Yet, within this profile, there's a hidden desperation, a need to control something in his otherwise uncontrollable life.

"Baj Patel" is more diplomatic, often trying to mediate conflicts and soften the harshness of "1 Drink. " However, he's also prone to bouts of anger, especially when his efforts go unappreciated. He's the voice of reason, but even reason has its limits when he's drawn into arguments with his other selves.

"Sub Par" is militaristic, disciplined, and rigid in his views. He's the one who draws lines in the sand, challenging others and defending his positions fiercely. He sees the forum as a battleground, and every debate as a war to be won, even if it means going against his other identities. He does this by meticulously quoting other forum members' posts in and out of context with extreme precision, even taking quotes from one forum category and posting them in other forum categories. This often takes hours as it can't be easy. If he is really in Thailand, how does he have the time to do all this? I mean posting is one thing, but spending hours copying and pasting. How does he have the time?

"UglyAzzDude" is the jester, the one who talks a lot of shit, as he puts it, without any real intention behind his words. He's crude, unapologetically vulgar, and enjoys stirring the pot. Yet, there's a sadness behind his provocations, a deep-seated self-loathing that he masks with humor and obscenity.

"Fuckezhov" is the most enigmatic of the five, often lurking in the shadows, observing the chaos without directly engaging. When he does speak, it's in short, cryptic messages that only add to the confusion. He's the silent observer, the one who watches as the other personas tear each other apart.

One man "Mr. Know it all" claims he has met "Sub Par" That may or may not be true, but if true, it does not prove "Sub Par" is not posting under 5 different profiles. It only proves that he met the dude.

As the man's mental state deteriorates, the boundaries between these identities blur. He begins to argue with himself openly on the forum, with each persona taking a different stance. The other members are confused, trying to make sense of the increasingly bizarre interactions. They grow frustrated as "Sub Par" calls them "Sons' of bitches" with no provocation, and even more so when "Baj Patel" tries to smooth things over, only for "1 Drink" to escalate the situation further.

The forum becomes a chaotic theater of his mind, with his personas clashing, reconciling, and then clashing again. The members, once entertained by his antics, begin to realize that something is seriously wrong. They're no longer sure if they're arguing with one person or five, and the constant name-calling and erratic behavior start to wear thin.

Finally, he admits it all, he confesses that he's behind all five profiles, and that he's been arguing with himself the entire time. He tries to laugh it off, saying he talks a lot of shit and doesn't mean any harm, but the damage is done. The forum members, once indifferent or amused, now react with concern and anger. They call him out, telling him that he needs help, not a platform to unravel.

Realizing he's lost the control he thought he had, he lashes out one last time, calling everyone "Sons' of bitches" before disappearing from the forum. The other members, shaken and unsure how to feel, discuss the situation amongst themselves. They agree that the best place for him is not in the forum, but in a psych ward, where he can get the help he so clearly needs.

In the end, his absence leaves a void on the forum, but also a sense of relief. The chaos he brought, once entertaining, had turned dark and troubling. The members move on, but the memory of the man with five faces lingers, a stark reminder of the fragile line between sanity and madness.

One good thing that came out of all this is the man learnt how to spell. Before he left, "Sub Par" started to correct his posts by ending all his posts with the following: "Do you like me now?"
instead of "Do you like me know?"

At first I was a critic, but your stories are growing on me, you killed it on this one.

[EverythingThai]

Do you have a link for that Act or law?

The wording in the PREVENTION AND SUPRESSION OF PROSTITUTION ACT you reference is as follows, according to your quoting of it:

This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels and classifies prostitution as illegal.

What about private places?

The wording there and in the Thai Penal Code, that does not appear to by shy about covering every angle of P4 P except the central issue, could easily have begun in TITLE IX with something on the order of, "Any exchange of sexual services for money or anything else of monetary value is strictly prohibited and punishable by not more than 1 Billion Baht and Life in Prison without the possibility of parole. ".

And yet no such words appear anywhere in the Code or the Act you referenced. Instead it is all about conducting such business in public, procuring or trafficking prostitutes as a business, living off the profits of a prostitute when you are not the one doing the fucking, sucking or handjobs, setting up an establishment, hanging signs and so on. Aspects of P4 P that have been illegal for a very long time. Those are the things bar owners get busted for, not prostitutes or their customers.

Do you think it was just an oversight, that they forgot to mention the part about a simple private exchange of money for sex between consenting adults being illegal and this is the punishment for it?

If the words I improvised above or anything like them for any level of penalty including 5 Baht and a 2 minute stern lecture were to appear in any Thai Penal Code or additional Act, it would cause a societal earthquake of cataclysmic proportions. It will never happen. Every soi with a hot 19 year old and a 40 year old Thai man with an extra 500 Baht at the end of the month would be awash in criminal activity.

No customer or prostitute of legal age and with their consent is going to be arrested and charged with a crime for which there is no citation in the Penal Code or even in a nice but unenforceable addendum to it.

http://www.asianlii.org/th/legis/con...pasopa1996528/

[SubCmdr]

I see our resident dumb ass White Hoodie Wearing Mother Fucker is back, displaying his diarrhea of the keyboard with useless nonsense.

Yet here you are after taking a laxative. Tighten up your sphincter NyezBoy!

Nyezhov wrote this about the creative writing of EverythingThai.

EverythingThai is funnier and a better writer. No matter what you do or say, you are and always will be an asshat.

Now he writes this:

How did I get to be an avatar here? I'm probably real, I existed well before the many facets were conjured up. If I'm going to be an avatar, at least make me a part of a smart one like Tooms.

Not being discussed in the best light by your other WHWMF creative writing friend? You two should get on the same page. He wrote this about you too:

Where is our beloved leader. It's almost Monday morning in the US and his mother will be getting up soon to make his breakfast. He should be along soon I guess. Let's see what he has in store for all us sons' of bitches now. I am a little scared LOL.

I don't see why anyone would be scared of you Nyezhov unless the fear is being board to death by your posts.