Bangkok Reports

[Goatscrot]

Skewed markets. We can continue to blame different groups at different times, but IMO, bottom line is, Nana, cowboy and patpong have been sellers markets for a very long time now, and what we see now in terms of both prices, quality of girls and attitudes of girls / mamas has infact been changing slowly over time for at least 10 years. I mean it was somewhat better 10 years ago, but even back then, it was not a buyers market. Short trip tourists unfortunately don't have too many alternatives. But if expats / long term tourists frequently get girls from these districts, I cannot understand why. Several other markets available if you put in the effort and explore (Tded was a great recent example), there are many small karaoke bars here and there, clubs along phetchaburi or even civvies. I used nana / cowboy as a crutch my first 5-6 months here, while I was building a rolodex of civvie contacts, but once I had enough civvies, I rarely went to gogos.

Thermea of old sounds very good, wish I could have experienced. First time I walked into thermea was about 10 years ago, and walked out within 5 minutes, never to return. The playful / fun atmosphere you describe is very rare to find these days, everyone is so eager to get down to business and the bottomline or play with their phones. Close approximations are sports bars with good waitresses in asok / nana. They banter a bit. FLs here are quite disappointing though, and available only at few. Before Nana gets crowded, some of the bars are a good place to chat up staff / early bird FLs but the moment a bit of crowd comes in, it all changes.

Anyone have any recommendation for a bar with relaxed / playful atmosphere and fun FLs? Would love to visit.

Try recruiting a civvie if you are staying long. It'll be fun at least, and potentially, very rewarding. Has some risks, but if you're careful, easily managed.

I preferred civvies mainly because, if bar staff / FLs can't give me the experience I want (play / flirt at bar then go home), 3 civvies definitely would, if I invited them to a good night club. And if the bill was an absurd amount at the end of night, lucky me, because the girls would work extra hard to "pay it off".

Well stated. The Go-Go's have been a seller's market for ages, with the exception of covid times when bars were open but the country was closed to tourists. They were definitely a buyer's market in the early 00, but by the late 00's and early 10's that had changed. In fact if you stood outside Nana or on Soi Cowboy when the bars closed you would have numerous girls coming up to you and offering their services if they didn't get a BF that night. I would say that ended by the time of the 06 coup. 06 seems to be a year where things really started to change. Before then when I would go out I would always have a hard time deciding who to take. After that time sometimes I wouldn't be able to find anything appealing.

[ShyBoy143]

Skewed markets. We can continue to blame different groups at different times, but IMO, bottom line is, Nana, cowboy and patpong have been sellers markets for a very long time now, and what we see now in terms of both prices, quality of girls and attitudes of girls / mamas has infact been changing slowly over time for at least 10 years. I mean it was somewhat better 10 years ago, but even back then, it was not a buyers market. Short trip tourists unfortunately don't have too many alternatives. But if expats / long term tourists frequently get girls from these districts, I cannot understand why. Several other markets available if you put in the effort and explore (Tded was a great recent example), there are many small karaoke bars here and there, clubs along phetchaburi or even civvies. I used nana / cowboy as a crutch my first 5-6 months here, while I was building a rolodex of civvie contacts, but once I had enough civvies, I rarely went to gogos.

Thermea of old sounds very good, wish I could have experienced. First time I walked into thermea was about 10 years ago, and walked out within 5 minutes, never to return. The playful / fun atmosphere you describe is very rare to find these days, everyone is so eager to get down to business and the bottomline or play with their phones. Close approximations are sports bars with good waitresses in asok / nana. They banter a bit. FLs here are quite disappointing though, and available only at few. Before Nana gets crowded, some of the bars are a good place to chat up staff / early bird FLs but the moment a bit of crowd comes in, it all changes.

Anyone have any recommendation for a bar with relaxed / playful atmosphere and fun FLs? Would love to visit.

Try recruiting a civvie if you are staying long. It'll be fun at least, and potentially, very rewarding. Has some risks, but if you're careful, easily managed.

I preferred civvies mainly because, if bar staff / FLs can't give me the experience I want (play / flirt at bar then go home), 3 civvies definitely would, if I invited them to a good night club. And if the bill was an absurd amount at the end of night, lucky me, because the girls would work extra hard to "pay it off".

[TKOman]

Time for a field report from BKK! I dropped by HunnyBunyBKK the other night (Sukhumvit Soi 33). A big chested mamasan guided me through the clear and comprehensive menu, and I chose the Massage with HJ / BJ finish for 1700 B. Saw the lineup of about 8 girls, solidly in the 6 and 7 rating, and picked a girl-next-door girl for my dastardly intentions named Sky. They all thanked me and scattered, and them I remembered to inquire about a deal-breaker for me: the right to take extensive photos / videos! The mamas gave her trademark frown and said "not allowed! Darn. On a whim, I said: let's ask Sky! Upon being asked, Sky said: I love being photographed, like a model! And we're on. And up to the room.

She speaks nearly no English but has a pleasant, positive demeanour. First a shower which concluded in some BB sucking and groping. Onto the bed for ample photos of her crouching, on all fours, pussy shot, etc. Before she starts a lame massage and flips me quickly to start sucking me off. She's a natural BJ queen and soon I shoot a load while she moans (I tried to get her to take my load in her mouth but she demurred). I'm happy but I paid for an hour so I don't decline her offer for a post-orgasm massage. She surprises me by sliding her tits on my butt, then rimming me enthusiastically before flipping me over and sucking my cock again. It's been only 5 minutes and I'm old, so I'm certain that a second shot is not in the cards. She disagrees and using a combination of sucking and hand action, she persevered for at leats 20 minutes until I have a second, body-shaking orgasm albeit with a small load! I recall that the menu item I picked for 1700 specifically said only one shot, so I tip her well (500) for the extra services and leave happy!

Now for my question: while I was negotiating the deal with mamas, I saw a 30-something Asian couple skulk out the door as a WG thanked them for coming. I asked mamasan about it, who said that couples hire the girls for threesome about "once a day"! I was surprised, as I have never done this and never had a GF suggest it! What's the appeal? Has anyone tried this? Details and personal stories are most welcome.

[ShyBoy143]

(I have been living here for 12 years, mongered an absurd amount for the first 8, last 4, not too much).

I'll be brief about my take on the market dynamics. You can blame the north asians, or 1 week millionaire tourists or whoever you want, but I think the underlying cause is, Nana plaza, Cowboy and Patpong have been sellers markets for a long time now. This inevitably means buyers will get more and more screwed in different ways. Of course, if you're on a short visit, you're just going to have to suck it up and pay up because the other options are time consuming to figure out. Why expats or tourists on a longer trip don't figure out alternatives (or prefer these places to alternatives) is beyond me.

In my glory days (after some 5-6 months of weekly 2ST / LT from nana / cowboy), I eventually ended up with a couple of dozen arrangements of various kinds with neighbourhood civvies (young office employees / students / waitresses / maids. I don't discriminate, just, no fatties and no acne). Now I could invite 3 of them to go to a club with me, get treated like a king there first, and then back in bed, often with more than one coming over- never paid anything except club bill. Some arrangements were more straightforward. Neighbour girl would invariably show up 2 days before rent was due. Weekly maid would oblige when I wanted for 500. There were many others, no point blabbing.

I may have spent a lot on fancy nights out, but they were never demanded of me. Maximum for a regular night long session was 1000 but she was a real hottie and just 21. Most were 300-700 + moto taxi and evening arrangements automatically meant night over, no further negotiations. Of course, I would buy dinner and drinks at the local market for them often, but we're talking pennies and dimes here. Looks wise, I think the best would beat any gogo girl any day, worst might be the ignored girl dancing alone in a corner at a gogo. Most would be 7-8 based on my recent visit to 2 gogos who's names I don't remember. Skills, obedience and enthusiasm civvies are way ahead of hardened wgs (yes, they know some tricks wg's don't or at least didn't show me).

There are risks of course, mostly, nib any emotional attachment. From yourself or any fwb in the bud, firmly. Initially, observe them very keenly for markers of dishonesty / thievery and mental instability and cut off at the slightest doubt (this sea has many fish). Sometimes they may ask you for a relatively large sum (I think max asked off me was 10 k after I had been seeing her weekly for a year, with a promise to pay back). You can decide what to do. I basically requested some kink to be satisfied. The 10 K girl, you can't imagine how she worked it off over a weekend.

My point is, if you have a choice, maybe stop going to markets skewed to your disadvantage, spend a bit of effort and find another market that is skewed to your advantage. Civvies is just one example. Ever tried random small karaoke bars around town? Or maybe even a small market near where you live? There are many well priced options where buyers are respected and in short supply. Only applies to people staying long. In my experience, you strike out about 20% of the times if you go to a place that you haven't heard any review of (I have been to 100's).

[IrisWildChild]

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[Goatscrot]

Goat you new the Boss was sick for a while, hes doing a lot better and collecting the cash from the girls.

I did not know. But that's good to know that he's better.

[Nyezhov]

My pleasure. In those days sure fun. I really miss them. That's so glad I was able to experience them and now have a chance to reflect.

Goat you new the Boss was sick for a while, hes doing a lot better and collecting the cash from the girls.

[JasonBen84]

Hi, I am avid traveller, business and pleasure. Used to travel Thailand, Phils, Indo often, now with work very less travel options to go to Phils but I like Filipinas so much. I know it's hard but just curious if there are specific bars, clubs or areas where we can find / pickup Filipinas? It would be best of both worlds (Bangkok+filipinas).

I know it's tough luck, but hope it's worth a try here with you punters! Thanks for your valuable advise.

[Goatscrot]

What an awesome report! Thanks much for the trip back in time.

My pleasure. In those days sure fun. I really miss them. That's so glad I was able to experience them and now have a chance to reflect.

[Goatscrot]

You have to understand their target market. Koreans, Japanese etc care mostly about the looks. They don't care about the service, as long as she opens her legs. They need to say they fucked the hottest girls and gain face with their friends and colleagues. Cost is not a consideration, or service, its all the looks. And they all want light skinned Chinese looking girls with big boobs. So that's what Thermae provides. At my age, I don't care how hot you are, if you don't do certain things little me is not rising for you. ID rather spend a few hours in a GC getting warmed up nicely in the couches and then a nice interactive BBFS session with a 5 or 6 with no drama in the back. Or one of the better known MPs. I leave Thermae and Gogos to the Asians. Now there are places where I get the service I want with hot girls (not Thailand) so that's where I go now.

Spot on. When the demographic changed in the mid to late 00's, so did the behavior of the gals working there. Western men were no longer the main target audience. Now I must admit, I prefer lighter skin and fairer East Asian looks, but I want them nasty. And that's a unicorn these days.

[Bunky]

I probably had more fun in Thermae than any place in Bangkok save midnight before it was bought by the Arab and Cactus during its hey day. I really miss those days. You also had a collection of some of the most interesting expats in Bangkok. Many of the SE Asian writers who many of you have read would hang out there several nights a week. There would always be people you would recognize there. (Remainder of entertaining and informative report on the Good Old Days snipped to save bandwidth.)

What an awesome report! Thanks much for the trip back in time.

[FilthyBeaver]

This is also the reasoning behind the farang tax so many places charge. The Asian guys looking for hot starfish don't care if her eyes are even open. Going in and asking for this and that is a turn off, especially for a really hot girl that is used to doing next to nothing. Sorry, it's not because of your big Johnson, it's because you want or expect too much. I've confirmed this so many times over the last 30 years with mamas and girls that I've lost count. The answer has remained the same even as the faces have changed.

You have to understand their target market. Koreans, Japanese etc care mostly about the looks. They don't care about the service, as long as she opens her legs. They need to say they fucked the hottest girls and gain face with their friends and colleagues. Cost is not a consideration, or service, its all the looks. And they all want light skinned Chinese looking girls with big boobs. So that's what Thermae provides. At my age, I don't care how hot you are, if you don't do certain things little me is not rising for you. ID rather spend a few hours in a GC getting warmed up nicely in the couches and then a nice interactive BBFS session with a 5 or 6 with no drama in the back. Or one of the better known MPs. I leave Thermae and Gogos to the Asians. Now there are places where I get the service I want with hot girls (not Thailand) so that's where I go now.

[Allover]

I'm so grateful I caught the tail end of it.

Thermae was sometimes compared to the bar in the Star Wars film. It was a truly incredible, fun place. One of the few benefits of my advancing age is that I had the opportunity to see Thermae and Thailand when I did. But as a visitor, it is still a great place to visit now.

[Rajnath]

Now there are places where I get the service I want with hot girls (not Thailand) so that's where I go now.

What places do you go now?

[Expat American]

Most bros will pay because 3 k is nothing to them. But for the girls, 3 k could be 5 to 6 times their daily salary at a "normal" job. These girls are definitely getting the better end of the deal. And that's the problem I have with them. They're getting paid so much money, but they put in zero effort and give you attitude when you ask for more. I don't mind paying, but I refuse to pay so much money for a low quality product. Nothing will change because like you said, there are so many bros visiting BKK that they can get away with it. So really, the root problem is the tourists (yes, I acknowledge that I am a "tourist" and part of the problem too, haha). There's just too many of them.

Well aware that I'm not going to be meeting the love of my life. Like most guys who visit Thailand, I'm just there to have a good time. Nothing more, nothing less. To me, a quick 10-minute fuck is not a good time. I guess when it comes to women, I'm also looking for personal connection / chemistry / good vibes. If it's not there, it feels like a big waste of time / money. Another poster before me said it best: the ones that felt less transactional were the most enjoyable.

Being with a mannequin is a great way to put it. That's how most Thermae girls are: they put in zero effort, relying instead on their youth / good looks. It's probably one step above doing it with a blowup doll. I have not tried the gogo girls, but it sounds like they are a better value than Thermae, even if gogo costs more. I would gladly pay more to have a more engaging experience with a girl..

You have to understand their target market. Koreans, Japanese etc care mostly about the looks. They don't care about the service, as long as she opens her legs. They need to say they fucked the hottest girls and gain face with their friends and colleagues. Cost is not a consideration, or service, its all the looks. And they all want light skinned Chinese looking girls with big boobs. So that's what Thermae provides. At my age, I don't care how hot you are, if you don't do certain things little me is not rising for you. ID rather spend a few hours in a GC getting warmed up nicely in the couches and then a nice interactive BBFS session with a 5 or 6 with no drama in the back. Or one of the better known MPs. I leave Thermae and Gogos to the Asians. Now there are places where I get the service I want with hot girls (not Thailand) so that's where I go now.