Pattaya Reports

[Rocko20]

Good sources in a discussion about whether something is illegal aren't newspaper articles about arrests.

Then you should've read the actual law that led to the arrests (1996 Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act). If prostitution was legal in Thailand, prostitutes would have legal status like in Germany and the Netherlands.

The plan to decriminalize prostitution in Thailand has not been passed. Which is why Africans in Phuket still get arrested for it in 2024.

"Technically, the sex they sell is illegal, but a new government-led plan aims to change that. It calls for repealing the 1996 Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, which makes most sex work a crime, and replacing it with a new law, the Protection of Sex Work Act, affirming the rights of sex workers and their places of business to sell sex. ".
https://www.voanews.com/a/thailand-d...e/7040409.html

If you don't like facts and real world examples of arrests, simply call the local Thai police and ask them if prostitution is legal.

[Philip Marlow]

Someone asked for sources and I provided multiple sources.

Good sources in a discussion about whether something is illegal aren't newspaper articles about arrests. You have no idea what they were actually arrested for, or whether the people authorizing the arrest know the law.

And you don't know whether the reporters or editors know the law.

Other sources that shouldn't be referenced are poorly written law firm summaries, like the one from Siam Legal.

Provide citations. A citation is "a quotation from or reference to a book, paper, or author, especially in a scholarly work. ".

Better yet, quote the law itself.

Quoting newspaper articles to support an argument about whether something is illegal is like quoting a forum post to support a point about best STD prevention practices.

[Rocko20]

So no.

Nothing you cited specifically says that or implies it at all. There's pages worth of debunking exactly what you just said that supposedly ties prositution itself to being illegal. Just because pimping, trafficking and public disorder through indecency is illegal, does not mean prositution is illegal.

I disagree, and multiple sources disagree with you.

"Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, but the laws are ambiguous and often unenforced. As a result, red-light districts, massage parlors, go-go bars, and sex-focused karaoke bars are common sights. Sex work in Thailand is a significant economic incentive for many citizens, especially rural, unskilled women with financial burdens. ".
https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ution-is-legal

Someone asked for sources and I provided multiple sources.

Four Africans held for prostitution in Phuket.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...tion-in-phuket

Here they say prostituion is not illegal.

I give them a dubious credit for trying though.

Ask the Africans in phuket who got arrested for it.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...tion-in-phuket

Bottom line: there is virtually zero chance of a monger being arrested for prostitution in Thailand. Or a lady.

See link above. Are the thai police going to bust down your door? No. Can they arbitrarily decide to arrest some street workers if someone files a complaint? Yes. If they can arrest Africans in Phuket for prostitution, they can do it for anyone else. How many Africans are on beach road right now standing right in front of the police station? Plenty.

[HorseTrader]

Bottom line: there is virtually zero chance of a monger being arrested for prostitution in Thailand. Or a lady.

If that changes, the entire tourist economy also changes. My typical trip to Thailand probably costs about $16,000 for 6 weeks. Perhaps $4,000 on P4P plus $12,000 on hotels, food, taxi, tours, airlines, 7-11, mall purchases, etc. I'm sure Thai government realizes that P4P draws a lot of international tourists, but most money is spent in more traditional hospitality businesses. I expect hassle free P4P to continue for years to come.

[Houston Player]

That law firm link references The Prevention and Supression of Prostitution Act and "summarizes" it as in your quote. But, aside from the question of whether or not that Act is enforceable, we have seen the actual wording of the Act here and it does not specifically state what that law firm grandly announces that it states.

I can see that the 1996 Act was hoping to "Prevent" and "Supress" prostitution by largely re-stating an array of qualifiers that have been present in the Thai Penal Code for years and years. However, despite that law firm's claim, it does nothing to affirm or confirm that the act of exchanging sex for money among consenting adults without all those qualifiers present is "illegal" or "a crime".

I give them a dubious credit for trying though.

Below is a specific quote from the very website stating that prostitution is illegal.

"The Penal Code, while not explicitly labeling prostitution as illegal, does penalize those profiting from a prostitute's earnings."

Here they say prostituion is not illegal.

[PassionSR]

Yes, thai law:

So no.

Nothing you cited specifically says that or implies it at all. There's pages worth of debunking exactly what you just said that supposedly ties prositution itself to being illegal. Just because pimping, trafficking and public disorder through indecency is illegal, does not mean prositution is illegal.

[Explorer8939]

Except that this is Thailand. How is one supposed to procure a legal prostitute if every avenue to obtain one seems to be illegal?

There should be a topic called "Is Prostitution Legal in Thailand?" since this discussion happens every few months and serves to confuse everyone.

Bottom line: there is virtually zero chance of a monger being arrested for prostitution in Thailand. Or a lady.

[EihTooms]

Yes, thai law:

"The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, established in 1996, explicitly forbids prostitution in public places and brothels. It introduces fines for providing sexual services, deeming prostitution illegal. Notably, penalties for sex workers are reduced, while those overseeing brothels face punishment. The Penal Code, while not explicitly labeling prostitution as illegal, does penalize those profiting from a prostitute's earnings. ".

https://www.siam-legal.com/thailand-...l-in-thailand/

The difference is that its not enforced at all, or else every go-go bar, BJ bar, beer bar, LK metro, soi 6, soapy massage, etc would be shutdown tomorrow. The only thing left would be discos.

That law firm link references The Prevention and Supression of Prostitution Act and "summarizes" it as in your quote. But, aside from the question of whether or not that Act is enforceable, we have seen the actual wording of the Act here and it does not specifically state what that law firm grandly announces that it states.

I can see that the 1996 Act was hoping to "Prevent" and "Supress" prostitution by largely re-stating an array of qualifiers that have been present in the Thai Penal Code for years and years. However, despite that law firm's claim, it does nothing to affirm or confirm that the act of exchanging sex for money among consenting adults without all those qualifiers present is "illegal" or "a crime".

I give them a dubious credit for trying though.

[Rocko20]

Can you cite anything that supports that statement?

Yes, thai law:

"The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, established in 1996, explicitly forbids prostitution in public places and brothels. It introduces fines for providing sexual services, deeming prostitution illegal. Notably, penalties for sex workers are reduced, while those overseeing brothels face punishment. The Penal Code, while not explicitly labeling prostitution as illegal, does penalize those profiting from a prostitute's earnings. ".

https://www.siam-legal.com/thailand-...l-in-thailand/

The difference is that its not enforced at all, or else every go-go bar, BJ bar, beer bar, LK metro, soi 6, soapy massage, etc would be shutdown tomorrow. The only thing left would be discos.

[Rocko20]

Quick update from my trip.

Russian clip joints:

Decided to peak inside a few of them to see if anything has changed and they're just as worthless as they've always been. 500 baht for a beer, 1000 baht for a lady drink, 10,000 baht for a shower (no sex). Ugly strippers. Many of the "Russian" ladies begging for lady drinks are not even scantily clad or half naked, they're fully clothed so there is zero point to visit these scam joints.

Discos:

Panda: Loud as hell, not for the faint of heart, largely chinese only club but plenty of fair skinned freelance stunners if you can stomach the intense environment.

Republic: same as Panda, but a few more westerners. I saw several decent freelancers but was with a WG at the time. Cool enough to revisit.

Insomnia / Ibar: I could not find a damn thing in here. Nothing notable at all but I do like eating at The Diner.

808: Only worth it if you like fat chicks. I've been going to 808 daily on the off chance I see something good, but more times than not its not the case.

Beach road: I generally despise beach roach but I had some free time and found a decent freelancer. She wanted 1500ST, which I was fine with because she had some nice natural knockers. She said "condom everything" but was fine with a bareback blowjob.

Gogos:

I only went to shark yesterday, barfined a decent stunner for ST and ended up spending the rest of the night with her as a GFE. She told me she has to sell 6 drinks or pay the difference (she said its different for salary workers), said pre-covid the money was flowing, now post covid people don't spend money. She said Chinese people are mainly the ones still spending money in the WS go-gos, followed by Americans / Europeans in lower numbers. She said Indians do not spend money in WS gogos as well as local Thai men.

Soapy massages:

Decided not to go on this trip.

Dating apps / bumble / tinder:

Could not find anything I liked.

Indian clubs:

I counted atleast 6 of them on WS. Not worth it for mongering. Too many heavy makeup, middle aged, pushup bra, single mother, overcharging Thai WGs and Azerbaijan women. But good to visit if you want to see something new.

Overall its been a solid trip. I had some good bar girls as well as freelancers.

[EihTooms]

There are many things linked to prostitution in Thailand that are illegal, including in certain cases, the act itself. As shown in ETs posts on this, pimping in illegal. (Section 9 below) Soliciting prostitution is illegal, IF it is done in "an an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public. " (Section 5).

Advertising it is illegal. Certain acts in prostitution establishments are illegal. And on and on.

Those are things the police are looking for. The arrests are, presumably, for violations of these sections.

This is not what the discussion is about. Many people like to parrot other people, who themselves are wrong. They're not interested in whether or not what they say is actually true. Everyone who makes the blanket statement that prostitution is illegal in Thailand is wrong.

If prostitution itself was illegal, the law would just say that, as the law in my home state does.

The following is the Thai law regarding murder:

TITLE X.

OFFENCE AGAINST LIFE AND BODY.

Details.

Chapter 1: Offence Causing Death.

Section 288. Murder.

Whoever, murdering the other person, shall be imprisoned by death or imprisoned as from fifteen years to twenty years.

That's it. Is the act of murder illegal in the Kingdom? Yes it is. See Title X, Chapter 1, Section 288. Now somewhere in the penal code murder will be defined, but notice there are no qualifiers, nothing about- only if done in a certain manner in a certain place, committed upon a person of a certain age, etc.

Is the act of prostitution illegal in the Kingdom? Show me the statute that declares it is.

You mean I won't get 6 months added to my sentence and 5,000 baht added to my fine if I commit murder openly AND shamelessly on Soi 6 rather than discretely in the privacy of my hotel room or condo? Ha. Good to know.

On the long delayed posting of my message submissions on this site that you and I alluded to in previous posts, it turns out that when my submitted messages do eventually get posted there is an effort to place them in the thread chronologically according to the day, time or point in the thread where they were quoting someone. That is why you did not see a post of mine 1-2 pages back yesterday but it suddenly appeared 2-3 pages back today and you might not have known they had been posted at all.

And on the idea that these "legal vs illegal" discussions are only or mostly academic anyway, I tend to feel it is important to know either way. A punter who thinks what he is doing is illegal and putting him at risk of spending a year or more in a Thai prison is apt to pay and tip a lot more than necessary or perhaps ask for and expect less quality service and Value For Money just to keep in everyone's good graces and, in a worst case scenario, from allowing himself to be the target of a shake down and bribery. Over nothing.

Operating on the false assumption that the basic act without all the qualifiers in this hobby is illegal in Thailand when it is not can't be good for the punter or the market. And if it can be shown and proven that it is illegal then that is very important info to have as well.

That is regardless whether or not anyone cares or anyone's mind is changed based solely on the sentiment of the few who post vs the many who only lurk, read and learn.

[TravelingMan3]

So I was out last night with friends and there friends and it was interesting first stop was Queens they like it but barked when I told them the bar fine is 3000 because it's a Saturday. So then we went to Soi pothole because one of the guys has a "friend" that works there. We went to a bar or a gentleman's club with XOXO on it I tried googling it but it didn't come up. It's new and I'd been there once before and quickly left. What happened in this bar is why everything is ymmv in terms on the quality of chicks that available in any given place. What I mean is 3 of the four guys I was with were just fawning over a chick that I thought was in her fifties turn out she was 44 but I thought she was lying. She had an old face and no ass just horrible looking.

The final stop was Kink I reluctantly came along as I don't like Kink or windmill I think there lame and the chicks are ugly. The one good thing going for the place is the barfine is only 1000 baht and my buddies got quotes of 2 and 3 k st respectively.

[SubCmdr]

The transportation company that I use charges 1600 THB for the Pattaya to BKK trip. The are consistent. The owner sends me the information on the driver and the vehicle before they arrive. My personal safety is worth WAY more than a 200 - 500 THB difference. Goes back to what I have to say about the financial situation of many of the International Tricks posting up in here. Especially the ones that have something to say about how I spend my money.

As for 35,000 baht night at the bar, that's what I remember you posting.

Not even close to what I have ever spent in a bar.

[Errol Flynn]

He didn't really scam you. The app said 1046. Tolls are 105, for a total of 1151 You paid 1200. A lot of people contact those services like Mikes Taxi and pay 1500 up to 2000. My girlfriend charges 1800 for that ride because her truck uses diesel instead of the cheaper natural gas other vehicles use.

I didn't say the fee was unreasonable (although Mike's quotes 1000 baht) but he still scammed me by taking me off of the App, refusing my Credit Card which was how I wished to pay for it, and originally trying to get 1400 out of me. I had to put up a stink. If that isn't a rip off scam I don 't know what is. I would have paid the tolls plus the 1046 baht, been happy, and probably tipped him, but others should be aware of this stunt. I choose rideshare so that I don't just get a random driver. Never had this happen on Grab, but maybe it would in BKK, I don't know.

[Philip Marlow]

Except that this is Thailand. How is one supposed to procure a legal prostitute if every avenue to obtain one seems to be illegal?

Easy. In a non-prostitution place, ask a lady if she's a WG. Don't do it both openly and shamelessly, (per basic legal construction, you can do it either openly or shamelessly, but not both) and don't create a nuisance to the public (Section 5 of the act) and you're good to go. If she is, start the negotiations.

There are other ways, actually quite a few other ways I'll bet, but that's one.

Actually, the law has even more outs for punters. The definition of prostitution includes the clause that the act has to be done in a "promiscuous manner. " It doesn't define promiscuous, but it's a requirement, and if it's not done that way, it's not legally prostitution.

As you said, and as Bernard Trink used to write, TIT.