Jakarta

[Joe2422]

Dear All,

I will be I will be in Jakarta this weekend, and will share all my experiences as and how I come across them, have been following this forum for past 6 months, and most of the reports (80-90%) are about Classic, it almost feels like I will be visiting Classic and not Jakarta LOL.

Just wondering if there are any locations or setups for casual interactions (like not bang-bang) but some foreplay (DFK, casual touches, etc only), this is mainly to kill some time between the sessions or like a recharge / warm-up for the next session. I have read about Kotah-Indah bars but from what I have understood so far they are also about taking the girl to the room for a bang. Haven't read a lot about Blok M and if they provide such entertainment, Malio from what I have understood is a strip club with option to take girl to room (this is more in line with what I am looking for), however I understand that girls over here will try to rip you off with the shots scam (I will give it a try to see for myself). It will be helpful if anybody could shed some light on these setups and whether they or something similar is available in Jakarta.

Yes, it feels like that but it is by no means the only thing. There is also: Travel, Emporium, Club 1001, Starmoon Bar, New Medika, Malio, Kota India. Grand LA, MTR, New Sari Ayu, CJS Bar, BATS Bar, Lokasari.

[Gabacho]

I used the search looked through a few 100 posts but nothing about pros and cons about the classic hotel specifically like a normal hotel review and nothing on if they allow outside guests and why guys prefer to say at non mongering venue hotel and travel to this hotel if they travel to this hotel everyday anyways, there has to be some reason why they don't just stay at classic hotel and choose to travel to the hotel daily absorbing travel costs that would negate any savings. One reason might be that they don't want a mongering venue on record but if this is not an issue would they just stay at classic hotel. Hard to have any plausible deniability if you stay at classic hotel as well as the other venues I mentioned in the original post this much I understand is there any other reason why not to?

Haven't found the follow up about classic to this one.

This person says they RTFF and didn't see recommendations to stay at classic hotel as well.

No details about the hotel.

There are many reviews of the terminals and nightlife but the hotel it self if you can find a review please share it as I've tried to find it.

Because I changed my plan and stayed at the sparks life hotel on mangga besar for the first few days instead.

My reasoning was that I wanted to bring in outside girls to my room and figured that classic would frown on this since they have their own brothels inside the same place.

I later moved to an Airbnb and walked to classic many times over the course of about 7 weeks and I saw that many people do stay there. Especially in the elevator going to T5 I would see other mongers get out on the 4th floor I think those guys were staying there.

From what I could tell it looks just like an average hotel but It would be convenient to stay there for access to T2 and T5 and has some restaurants attached too and is walking distance to a mall. But if you wanted to bring in civvies or street girls or girls you met from online, then I think Classic would not be good for that.

-Gabacho.

P.S.: I may stay there for first few days during my upcoming may trip but I haven't decided yet.

[MrHappyKat]

The security personnel don't have access to the keys. ATMs are typically managed by third party agents responsible for loading and unloading the cash. If security staff had the keys, it would make it much easier for robbers to knock him down and steal the money.

I once forgot my card in an ATM attached to a large bank. When I asked the security guard, he said there was nothing he could do. The next day, during bank hours, I went to the branch and was informed that all ATM cards left behind / struck inside the machine are sent to the bank's head office, where they are later destroyed. This process is handled by a third-party service, not the branch itself. Unfortunately, they never return the cards. The only option is to apply for a replacement.

When I use an ATM, I put my wallet in my left hand after pulling the card out. I don't put it back in my pocket unless I can see the card replaced in it's slot.

[MrHappyKat]

Yes, NFC via phone (i.e., tap-to-pay via phone) is safer than NFC via physical card. AFAIK Google wallet is the new name for Google pay.

This tech has been out for several years but has yet to become popular in the US. It has better traction in the UK, EU, and APAC.

It's considered safer than tap-and-pay because your card number is not transmitted to the merchant's POS device. The NFC chip on your phone sends a "token" (digital code) instead which is then sent to the payment processor, where it is mapped back to your card at your bank for the authorization.

ApplePay works in a similar manner, but is not very popular yet outside the US.

Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.

[Werqweq]

The security personnel don't have access to the keys. ATMs are typically managed by third party agents responsible for loading and unloading the cash. If security staff had the keys, it would make it much easier for robbers to knock him down and steal the money.

I once forgot my card in an ATM attached to a large bank. When I asked the security guard, he said there was nothing he could do. The next day, during bank hours, I went to the branch and was informed that all ATM cards left behind / struck inside the machine are sent to the bank's head office, where they are later destroyed. This process is handled by a third-party service, not the branch itself. Unfortunately, they never return the cards. The only option is to apply for a replacement.

This will vary from place to place I suspect. There are plenty of reports of people getting their lost card back after showing the passport e.g. In Thailand, so I think the advice of using an ATM inside / outside a bank office is good and I also prefer that. Of course, if you're actively thinking about that being the reason for using a particular ATM, you're also less likely to forget the card there.

Maybe you will not get your card back, but maybe you will, and the chances you will get it back are much better than if using some random isolated ATM.

[Werqweq]

Thanks a lot. I'm screwed though, as it seems Indonesia is the odd man out for Google Pay. This is dumb and a major flaw of the NFC wallets. Fancy a credit card you can only use in certain countries.

P.S. I'm still in doubt though, for ChatGPT tells me I should be able to do "NFC payments" in Indonesia with my already installed Google Wallet with its registered foreign visa debit card. Go figure. Maybe the non-availability of Google Wallet in Indonesia only means the Google Wallet app is not available on the Indonesian Google Play store.

NFC works for paying in Indonesia indeed, if the terminal supports it. I just checked my google wallet and see I paid at several different places via tap-to-pay on my phone. I'm guessing what you quote above means is that cards issued by indonesian banks cannot yet be linked up to google pay (the google pay app functionality is what was merged into google wallet I think, not the Google pay system itself), but does not affect non-indo cards.

[ArnoldNe]

Dear All,

I will be I will be in Jakarta this weekend, and will share all my experiences as and how I come across them, have been following this forum for past 6 months, and most of the reports (80-90%) are about Classic, it almost feels like I will be visiting Classic and not Jakarta LOL.

Just wondering if there are any locations or setups for casual interactions (like not bang-bang) but some foreplay (DFK, casual touches, etc only), this is mainly to kill some time between the sessions or like a recharge / warm-up for the next session. I have read about Kotah-Indah bars but from what I have understood so far they are also about taking the girl to the room for a bang. Haven't read a lot about Blok M and if they provide such entertainment, Malio from what I have understood is a strip club with option to take girl to room (this is more in line with what I am looking for), however I understand that girls over here will try to rip you off with the shots scam (I will give it a try to see for myself). It will be helpful if anybody could shed some light on these setups and whether they or something similar is available in Jakarta.

[Scarer]

For safety reasons, always use an ATM connected to a bank. There's security and if your card gets stuck in the ATM, security can have the ATM opened and return you your card right away.

Many ATMs have a sticker showing either 100 ks or 50 ks notes.

100's ATM will give more money than 50's.

Most 100's have a 20 million limit per day withdrawal when you withdraw multiple times.

The security personnel don't have access to the keys. ATMs are typically managed by third party agents responsible for loading and unloading the cash. If security staff had the keys, it would make it much easier for robbers to knock him down and steal the money.

I once forgot my card in an ATM attached to a large bank. When I asked the security guard, he said there was nothing he could do. The next day, during bank hours, I went to the branch and was informed that all ATM cards left behind / struck inside the machine are sent to the bank's head office, where they are later destroyed. This process is handled by a third-party service, not the branch itself. Unfortunately, they never return the cards. The only option is to apply for a replacement.

[Bkk212]

So my Christmas and new year Jakarta trip is over with not much to report. Visited blok m a few times but it's hit and miss. On Friday's it rocking with a lot of personnel but not so on Saturday.

However there are lots of SW around the area at all the back and front of Jl falethan. Some were not interesting but there were a few lookers early. When I passed by late most were gone.

There is one that sits on a motorcycle real looker but seriously bad attitude I have seen her around for years. In my bar the asking rate by some is over 1 M which I find a bit over priced for the quality but there were a few 8/9 on Friday but they were occupied very quickly. I did try massage from different places but the room condition were a bit off. Not a turn on atmosphere.

[Sychip1]

I used the search looked through a few 100 posts but nothing about pros and cons about the classic hotel specifically like a normal hotel review and nothing on if they allow outside guests and why guys prefer to say at non mongering venue hotel and travel to this hotel if they travel to this hotel everyday anyways, there has to be some reason why they don't just stay at classic hotel and choose to travel to the hotel daily absorbing travel costs that would negate any savings. One reason might be that they don't want a mongering venue on record but if this is not an issue would they just stay at classic hotel. Hard to have any plausible deniability if you stay at classic hotel as well as the other venues I mentioned in the original post this much I understand is there any other reason why not to?

Haven't found the follow up about classic to this one.

This person says they RTFF and didn't see recommendations to stay at classic hotel as well.

No details about the hotel.

There are many reviews of the terminals and nightlife but the hotel it self if you can find a review please share it as I've tried to find it.

Have you also looked through the Jakarta Hotels thread? I stated a few times Classic is fine, though some like to spend more for a better hotel. For 450-500 k it's fine but you can also book others for 350-450 k which are newer but obviously not so convenient.

What I'the also add, not often mentioned:

- Nasi Goreng Bistik right opposite, top rated in Jakarta.

- q easy to get to airport.

- room is kinda old but pretty well kept.

- service was fine.

- I didn't have bfast but saw plenty of guests who did have it.

What else did you want to know? Because it's a 3-star hotel, don't expect it to have a ton of other facilities.

[SubCmdr]

Do they accept Bitcoin?

Thanks a lot. I'm screwed though, as it seems Indonesia is the odd man out for Google Pay. This is dumb and a major flaw of the NFC wallets. Fancy a credit card you can only use in certain countries.

P.S. I'm still in doubt though, for ChatGPT tells me I should be able to do "NFC payments" in Indonesia with my already installed Google Wallet with its registered foreign visa debit card. Go figure. Maybe the non-availability of Google Wallet in Indonesia only means the Google Wallet app is not available on the Indonesian Google Play store.

[XXL]

Yes, NFC via phone (i.e., tap-to-pay via phone) is safer than NFC via physical card. AFAIK Google wallet is the new name for Google pay.

Thanks a lot. I'm screwed though, as it seems Indonesia is the odd man out for Google Pay. This is dumb and a major flaw of the NFC wallets. Fancy a credit card you can only use in certain countries.

P.S. I'm still in doubt though, for ChatGPT tells me I should be able to do "NFC payments" in Indonesia with my already installed Google Wallet with its registered foreign visa debit card. Go figure. Maybe the non-availability of Google Wallet in Indonesia only means the Google Wallet app is not available on the Indonesian Google Play store.

[Werqweq]

Is NFC (through Google Pay I presume) safer than tap-to-pay with the credit card? By the way, is Google Pay the same as Google Wallet? I don't see any "Google Pay" app in Google Play any more. I find only "Google Wallet". Confused. Even my bank mixes the two apps in its FAQs. Can of worms. I think I'll stay with "tap-to-pay" my credit card if possible.

Yes, NFC via phone (i.e., tap-to-pay via phone) is safer than NFC via physical card. AFAIK Google wallet is the new name for Google pay.

[ThreeInches]

There have been a least a few posts about people staying at classic in the last 2-3 months.

I used the search looked through a few 100 posts but nothing about pros and cons about the classic hotel specifically like a normal hotel review and nothing on if they allow outside guests and why guys prefer to say at non mongering venue hotel and travel to this hotel if they travel to this hotel everyday anyways, there has to be some reason why they don't just stay at classic hotel and choose to travel to the hotel daily absorbing travel costs that would negate any savings. One reason might be that they don't want a mongering venue on record but if this is not an issue would they just stay at classic hotel. Hard to have any plausible deniability if you stay at classic hotel as well as the other venues I mentioned in the original post this much I understand is there any other reason why not to?

Will do, man. I'll be staying at Classic first probably 3 days or so then moving into a cheaper hotel or Airbnb. I'm not much for DFK I'm just into BBBJ and BBFS and sometimes DATY but only if they are clean shaven like the Venezolanas and Colombianas I see in Colombia.

Haven't found the follow up about classic to this one.

I RTFF.

Planning a trip next month, Have been researching hotels, I see most actions are in classic hotel but there is not much suggestions to stay there. Cost per night is around 24 USD.
2nd option middle of Classic and Emporium is Luminor hotel / Redtop which is around 70 USD but didn't get good reviews from the forum.

This person says they RTFF and didn't see recommendations to stay at classic hotel as well.

No I stayed at Classic Hotel couple months ago no need to change to Grab. Take the airport train to Manggarai, then change to Red line, ride 4 stops to Sawah Besar and its 8 minutes walk. And I did this route carrying my wheeled luggage.

No details about the hotel.

There are many reviews of the terminals and nightlife but the hotel it self if you can find a review please share it as I've tried to find it.

[XXL]

Two trips to Emporivum and most of that 5 M will be gone. But I would not carry that much cash around either. I did it on my first trip, before I knew both Emporivum and Classic take credit cards without problems (at Emporivum can pay via NFC on the phone too, but at Classic not). Now I just carry enough for a tip at Classic (I tip via the credit card at Emporivum) and food at smaller places, and also bring a few extra cards for backup.

Safest is pay via NFC on the phone, if possible.

Is NFC (through Google Pay I presume) safer than tap-to-pay with the credit card? By the way, is Google Pay the same as Google Wallet? I don't see any "Google Pay" app in Google Play any more. I find only "Google Wallet". Confused. Even my bank mixes the two apps in its FAQs. Can of worms. I think I'll stay with "tap-to-pay" my credit card if possible.