Jakarta

[Joe2422]

Bros we have to make a stand against the pushiness of the staff at Travel, how about if you ask for a menu they will swear down there's no menu & just ask you what beer you want. Then 15 minutes later they suddenly produce the menu.

I'm not saying we should boycott the place but we are the customers, we shouldn't stand for this nonsense. I was going to suggest as well we can collectively swap notes on the MMS such as their name, their group of girls etc.

You should look around the club again first. The club was made for the local audience. We foreigners are just spectators and whether we come or not the business continues. Look at Japan as it can be with foreigners in such clubs. We should be grateful that we can take part in this.

[Joe2422]

Could you perhaps tip the mamason upon entering, say 100 k, and tell her you are rather picky about choosing a girl and will be taking your time to make a selection? Or is that just pissing away $6 bucks?

Please don't even start with this, it will become second nature.

[MrHappyKat]

Try the mamasan named Chacha and see if that's any better. After you enter, keep walking straight, and at the end she will be the one managing the girls on your right hand side. Or ask security be the entrance, before entering the room, to find her for you. I think she only starts working at 5 pm, but she's the only one there I find tolerable, though I guess the feeling has to be at least somewhat mutual for it to be a pleasant expericne.

The mamasans up on the fifth floor seemed better than the one at at T2, though I only went up once, so not sure.

5 minutes is stretching things a bit though. If baby or no baby is the deciding criteria for you, it shouldn't take you five minutes to ask that.

Could you perhaps tip the mamason upon entering, say 100 k, and tell her you are rather picky about choosing a girl and will be taking your time to make a selection? Or is that just pissing away $6 bucks?

[Sychip1]

Bros we have to make a stand against the pushiness of the staff at Travel, how about if you ask for a menu they will swear down there's no menu & just ask you what beer you want. Then 15 minutes later they suddenly produce the menu.

I'm not saying we should boycott the place but we are the customers, we shouldn't stand for this nonsense. I was going to suggest as well we can collectively swap notes on the MMS such as their name, their group of girls etc.

[Safado70]

I might run out of my HIV PreP medication before I get back to Pattaya. Can I get it here in Jakarta? Any ideas?

[Joe2422]

Another major problem is no escape constant loud music and darkness in the club where you can't talk and you can't see. Three times, I had to run away from both T2 and T5.

Malio and Emporium are expensive choices but you don't have to put up with this nonsense. I am planning to take ear buds next time to Classic. I had good hits few times.

The Emporium is an alternative, yes, but at 1.7 million it is a very expensive one. I have been to the Emporium and Club 1001 a few times. It was good, but if I imagine some of the girls from Classic or Travel in the same clothes as in the Emporium and the same atmosphere, then they can definitely keep up. Even if I try 3 and have 2 bad ones, it will still be cheaper and last longer than there. I have never had any problems with Mamas. When I come, I say don't bring me a woman, bring me something to drink. She doesn't like it and she still brings women. I wave her off three times and say drink a lot and then she leaves me alone.

[ElPostino]

I still don't know which is the best way to look for girls in Classic. I tried telling the mamasans what I need: no baby and DFK. Then the mamasan starts calling her girls over to my table, in groups of 2-4. In Classic I find 80-90% of the girls not hot at all. Therefore the chance of me picking none of the girls presented is very high. This shouldn't be a problem. But the mamasan makes it one. After I say "no thanks", instead of just sending the girls back to the sofa, she keeps insisting: "look, no baby, young, beautiful, why don't you take one? She looks angry at me and makes me feel like a freak for not choosing any of the girls she is presenting. It feels like ages till she finally accepts my answer. This happens again and again with other mamasans. WTF?

When I take the other route and ignore the mamasans and keep looking myself, very often the girls I call to my table have babies. I have learned some indonesian, and I can ask them if they have children in bahasa Indonesia. This process takes a few minutes of talking. This too should not be a problem, but 2 days ago a mamasan made it one. She came to my table after I had spoken for about 5 minutes to her girl. Without talking to me first, she started filling in the paper to book a room. When I told her to wait, she looked very angrily at me, shouted that it doesn't work like that, that I cannot just hang out with the girls without paying. At that point I had found out that the girl had a baby and I was just about sending her back anyway. So I did that. But again, a totally normal situation (from my point of view) turned awkward because of these mamasans..

If the girl wouldn't comply to what they promised to, just threaten, lack of good word, that you would tell mamasan. They quickly oblige. It worked for me. .

[ElPostino]

It is a catch 22 type of situation, and you can see the contrast in real world e. G. Phillipines where the girls do as they please (mamas don't have any control over them) and it has gone to an extent where they don't respect the agreed deal and flee away by doing minimum with the customer, scam the customers, etc. Mama's control over the girls ensures that the girl has someone to answer to if they don't perform well or try other schenanigans, while this may seem socially unjust, it helps the mongering cause (I am just calling it as it is, not promoting the former or latter). The mamas being pushy is a nuisance and that can be improved for sure. In a perfect world Pros'tn would not exist, people won't be poor, politicians and businessmen won't be greedy, and there won't be any suffering by any living soul but alas that ain't the case. It is the balance of certain things that is keeping the world afloat and we just need to move with 'their country their rules' period.

Another way to tackle mamasan problems is to keep walking and sit in different places frequently. I walk around with a drink in my hand.

[ElPostino]

There's no solution. In Classic (and to a lesser extent, Travel) mamasans are a major nuisance. There's no way around it. Making the customer happy is not their job, it's to push for as many encounters as they can, to get their commissions. I stopped going to Classic / Travel because I can't stand them.

I get a strong sense most of the girls are not at Classic / Travel voluntarily. Yes, they lie and often provide subpar service. Their lives are so horrible I can hardly blame them. I can barely stand those pushy mamasans for a few minutes as a customer, and they're bossed around by them for months or years.

In Indonesia, mafia-type bottom-feeders of society are as you'd expect them to be: brash, rude, impatient, unpleasant. They discarded the veneer of common politeness. It's not like in Thailand where the bar industry is mostly above ground, girls are free to do as they like, and mamasans usually know good vibes matter.

Another major problem is no escape constant loud music and darkness in the club where you can't talk and you can't see. Three times, I had to run away from both T2 and T5.

Malio and Emporium are expensive choices but you don't have to put up with this nonsense. I am planning to take ear buds next time to Classic. I had good hits few times.

[ArnoldNe]

There's no solution. In Classic (and to a lesser extent, Travel) mamasans are a major nuisance. There's no way around it. Making the customer happy is not their job, it's to push for as many encounters as they can, to get their commissions. I stopped going to Classic / Travel because I can't stand them.

I get a strong sense most of the girls are not at Classic / Travel voluntarily. Yes, they lie and often provide subpar service. Their lives are so horrible I can hardly blame them. I can barely stand those pushy mamasans for a few minutes as a customer, and they're bossed around by them for months or years.

In Indonesia, mafia-type bottom-feeders of society are as you'd expect them to be: brash, rude, impatient, unpleasant. They discarded the veneer of common politeness. It's not like in Thailand where the bar industry is mostly above ground, girls are free to do as they like, and mamasans usually know good vibes matter.

It is a catch 22 type of situation, and you can see the contrast in real world e. G. Phillipines where the girls do as they please (mamas don't have any control over them) and it has gone to an extent where they don't respect the agreed deal and flee away by doing minimum with the customer, scam the customers, etc. Mama's control over the girls ensures that the girl has someone to answer to if they don't perform well or try other schenanigans, while this may seem socially unjust, it helps the mongering cause (I am just calling it as it is, not promoting the former or latter). The mamas being pushy is a nuisance and that can be improved for sure. In a perfect world Pros'tn would not exist, people won't be poor, politicians and businessmen won't be greedy, and there won't be any suffering by any living soul but alas that ain't the case. It is the balance of certain things that is keeping the world afloat and we just need to move with 'their country their rules' period.

[June Fly]

What are some other bars near Blok M in South Jakarta besides Mr. Braid and Mars?

[Crocodilexp]

I still don't know which is the best way to look for girls in Classic. I tried telling the mamasans what I need: no baby and DFK. Then the mamasan starts calling her girls over to my table, in groups of 2-4. In Classic I find 80-90% of the girls not hot at all. Therefore the chance of me picking none of the girls presented is very high. This shouldn't be a problem. But the mamasan makes it one. After I say "no thanks", instead of just sending the girls back to the sofa, she keeps insisting: "look, no baby, young, beautiful, why don't you take one? She looks angry at me and makes me feel like a freak for not choosing any of the girls she is presenting. It feels like ages till she finally accepts my answer. This happens again and again with other mamasans. WTF?

When I take the other route and ignore the mamasans and keep looking myself, very often the girls I call to my table have babies. I have learned some indonesian, and I can ask them if they have children in bahasa Indonesia. This process takes a few minutes of talking. This too should not be a problem, but 2 days ago a mamasan made it one. She came to my table after I had spoken for about 5 minutes to her girl. Without talking to me first, she started filling in the paper to book a room. When I told her to wait, she looked very angrily at me, shouted that it doesn't work like that, that I cannot just hang out with the girls without paying. At that point I had found out that the girl had a baby and I was just about sending her back anyway. So I did that. But again, a totally normal situation (from my point of view) turned awkward because of these mamasans.

What should I do?

Actually, to make matters worse, some of the girls lie. I asked a girl yesterday if she would kiss, she confirmed, but in the room she didn't kiss at all. The entire session was so bad that I couldn't come. After the deed, she didn't ask for a tip and didn't get one.

There's no solution. In Classic (and to a lesser extent, Travel) mamasans are a major nuisance. There's no way around it. Making the customer happy is not their job, it's to push for as many encounters as they can, to get their commissions. I stopped going to Classic / Travel because I can't stand them.

I get a strong sense most of the girls are not at Classic / Travel voluntarily. Yes, they lie and often provide subpar service. Their lives are so horrible I can hardly blame them. I can barely stand those pushy mamasans for a few minutes as a customer, and they're bossed around by them for months or years.

In Indonesia, mafia-type bottom-feeders of society are as you'd expect them to be: brash, rude, impatient, unpleasant. They discarded the veneer of common politeness. It's not like in Thailand where the bar industry is mostly above ground, girls are free to do as they like, and mamasans usually know good vibes matter.

[Werqweq]

I still don't know which is the best way to look for girls in Classic. I tried telling the mamasans what I need: no baby and DFK. Then the mamasan starts calling her girls over to my table, in groups of 2-4. In Classic I find 80-90% of the girls not hot at all. Therefore the chance of me picking none of the girls presented is very high. This shouldn't be a problem. But the mamasan makes it one. After I say "no thanks", instead of just sending the girls back to the sofa, she keeps insisting: "look, no baby, young, beautiful, why don't you take one? She looks angry at me and makes me feel like a freak for not choosing any of the girls she is presenting. It feels like ages till she finally accepts my answer. This happens again and again with other mamasans. WTF?

When I take the other route and ignore the mamasans and keep looking myself, very often the girls I call to my table have babies. I have learned some indonesian, and I can ask them if they have children in bahasa Indonesia. This process takes a few minutes of talking. This too should not be a problem, but 2 days ago a mamasan made it one. She came to my table after I had spoken for about 5 minutes to her girl. Without talking to me first, she started filling in the paper to book a room..

Try the mamasan named Chacha and see if that's any better. After you enter, keep walking straight, and at the end she will be the one managing the girls on your right hand side. Or ask security be the entrance, before entering the room, to find her for you. I think she only starts working at 5 pm, but she's the only one there I find tolerable, though I guess the feeling has to be at least somewhat mutual for it to be a pleasant expericne.

The mamasans up on the fifth floor seemed better than the one at at T2, though I only went up once, so not sure.

5 minutes is stretching things a bit though. If baby or no baby is the deciding criteria for you, it shouldn't take you five minutes to ask that.

[Safado70]

I still don't know which is the best way to look for girls in Classic. I tried telling the mamasans what I need: no baby and DFK. Then the mamasan starts calling her girls over to my table, in groups of 2-4. In Classic I find 80-90% of the girls not hot at all. Therefore the chance of me picking none of the girls presented is very high. This shouldn't be a problem. But the mamasan makes it one. After I say "no thanks", instead of just sending the girls back to the sofa, she keeps insisting: "look, no baby, young, beautiful, why don't you take one? She looks angry at me and makes me feel like a freak for not choosing any of the girls she is presenting. It feels like ages till she finally accepts my answer. This happens again and again with other mamasans. WTF?

When I take the other route and ignore the mamasans and keep looking myself, very often the girls I call to my table have babies. I have learned some indonesian, and I can ask them if they have children in bahasa Indonesia. This process takes a few minutes of talking. This too should not be a problem, but 2 days ago a mamasan made it one. She came to my table after I had spoken for about 5 minutes to her girl. Without talking to me first, she started filling in the paper to book a room. When I told her to wait, she looked very angrily at me, shouted that it doesn't work like that, that I cannot just hang out with the girls without paying. At that point I had found out that the girl had a baby and I was just about sending her back anyway. So I did that. But again, a totally normal situation (from my point of view) turned awkward because of these mamasans.

What should I do?

Actually, to make matters worse, some of the girls lie. I asked a girl yesterday if she would kiss, she confirmed, but in the room she didn't kiss at all. The entire session was so bad that I couldn't come. After the deed, she didn't ask for a tip and didn't get one.

[Sychip1]

Just curious has anyone tried playing pool in Jakarta? Because I saw some pool bars which look decent & it seems they have in-house ladies that you can play against. I assume they're pretty good but does anyone tried picking them up? If so what was the cost. Any stories to tell. And what's the cost of playing against them in pool? Thanks all.

One such place for example is Elite 8.