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01-16-25 14:19 #3610Senior Member

Posts: 1924I am all for free and fair referendums. The problem with the collective west is that they don't accept results they do not like. Why was it okay for Kosovo to leave Serbia? Why was it okay for the collective west to change Serbia's borders by force? They set the precedent. The majority of the people in Crimea have always been Russians. They voted overwhelmingly to join Russia. Why is that not okay? Let's be fair here. You seem to be a reasonable person.
Originally Posted by PaulInZurich
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01-16-25 14:15 #3609Senior Member

Posts: 1924Well, shit4 brains, the fact of the matter is that the Russians took Kurakhove and they took Toretsk, just like they will take the rest of the Donbas.
Originally Posted by Xpartan
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01-16-25 08:37 #3608Senior Member

Posts: 27098Why? You prefer to believe crazy Putin and follow him like too many Russians going to death. Yes, our world have to know Putin is a liar, same like Chinese government. This, when I love Russia, but for sure, not crazy dangerous Putin who has only a now weak army, when he was not even able to defeat Dombas after 3 years, but killed so many children and women.
Originally Posted by BloodRed
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01-16-25 08:14 #3607Senior Member

Posts: 2741That's some really strong stuff you're smoking.
If you truly believe that Ukraine loses more soldiers than Russia, I have quite a few bridges to sell you. Russians send people into pure meat assaults; they've been on the offence for over a year, and they lose around 2,000 a day since October 2024. Only a complete nutso or Russian propacondom like Blah Blah can utter this nonsense with a straight face.
Originally Posted by MorandUK
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The exchange reported by the Moscow Times (which, by the way, is an independent outlet and not "a western owned media") has nothing to do with the actual ratio of dead from the both sides. Some of the dead returned from Russia come from the siege of Mariupol in 2022. Others from the areas currently occupied by the Russians. Of course, there will be more dead bodies on the territories controlled by Russia since they're on the offence.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine...es-of-its-kind
Russia has lost approximately 794,760 soldiers per Ukraine's Euromaidan by the end of December.
https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/01/...ept-korean-war
You don't trust the Ukrainians. Well, other sources are even less conservative.
Russians have lost over 800,000 dead and gravely wounded since Feb 2022 according to the National Interest.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...ian-war-214355
The highest number for Ukrainian losses has come from "Yuriy Butusov, a well-connected but controversial Ukrainian war correspondent, (who) says that 70,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed since February 2022, with another 35,000 missing. " Other estimates, both from Ukraine and the world are considerably less.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0ewneynypwo
Even if Butusov's estimate is accurate, "the consensus is that Russian casualty figures are far higher than Ukraine's due to their "meat grinder" tactics. ".
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yv75nydy3ot
It's quite likely that 250,000-300,000 Russian occupiers are dead or MIA (which is usually the same thing).
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01-16-25 04:17 #3606Senior Member

Posts: 1924I find it hilarious and shocking that people buy into the horseshit spewed by the western mainstream media. I mean it's common sense which a lot of people are lacking. This is a war where the main weapon which kills is ARTILLERY. The Russians have about a 1 to 7 ratio in their favor for Artillery. Who is going to kill more? For fucks sake people, wake up and stop believing the lies from the western mainstream media. These are the same people that told you that Saddam had WMD's. These are the same people that told you for years and years that everything was OK in Afghanistan, that the Afghan army was very capable, and US trained and look how that turned out.
Originally Posted by MorandUK
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01-16-25 00:28 #3605Senior Member

Posts: 2741Lookie here, BlahBlah got reactivated again. And I was almost scared we'd lost him.
No Igor, what you posted was a lie, for when you did post what you call "facts", the AFU were still in Kurakhove.
Originally Posted by BloodRed
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LOL, the only thing Medvedev plays with is his liver.
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Ah, another war. Because you're doing so well with this one, LOLOL.
Originally Posted by BloodRed
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Tell me Igor, when are you planning on attacking Finland and Sweden, AKA the countries Putin PERSONALLY brought into the Nato fold? Now, don't be shy.
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01-15-25 23:30 #3604Senior Member

Posts: 27098Not Georgian people, but only those supported by Putin who fuck election, like he hold Trump balls in his hand, after Moscow party for Trump.
Originally Posted by BloodRed
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01-15-25 22:49 #3603Senior Member

Posts: 172In a war it's very natural for both sides to lie so I don't listen much what the Russians nor the Ukrainians are saying about the casualties. There are some hints of what is happening in reality though. Moscow Times is a western owned media and have reported that Russia exchanged 501 dead Ukrainians for 89 dead Russians which makes the ratio 1 dead Russian for 5. 5 dead Ukrainians. Although it's not a prove it's nevertheless very strong hint. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...rs/ar-AA1svAjv.
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01-15-25 21:08 #3602Senior Member

Posts: 1924Well, Georgia is wisely moving away from the EU and NATO. They don't want to get wrecked like Ukraine did and all for nothing.
Originally Posted by Sirioja
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01-15-25 18:10 #3601Senior Member

Posts: 2799So, we should trust North Korean troops or what is your proposal?
Originally Posted by BloodRed
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You are forgetting that Ukraine did not ask to join NATO before the invasions in Crimeea and Donbass.
Originally Posted by BloodRed
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Oh, I did put 2 and 2 together. Russia and its apologists think it is OK for Russia to decide for people of other countries how they should live.
Originally Posted by BloodRed
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An independent Ukraine with some EU investments would show the Russians that life can be good as long as you try a bit to limit corruption and you get to trade with the free world. Putin wanted none of that.
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01-15-25 18:05 #3600Senior Member

Posts: 2799Medvedev clearly was told that he has to be the clown. An alcoholic clown.
Originally Posted by BloodRed
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No.
Originally Posted by BloodRed
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Oh, I am totally for fair referendums. That would mean that people who lived in the area before the invasion get to come back and the elections need international observers. Hint, North Korean observers I would argue cannot be trusted. Since you agree that people should be able to chose in what country they live, let's do a few referendums in Russia as well, starting with a few of the regions in the Caucasus. I am glad we agree on this.
Originally Posted by BloodRed
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01-15-25 15:53 #3599Senior Member

Posts: 27098Hundreds thousands Russian pieces of meat injured or dead for Putin craziness, when Russians are so blind, when they should never follow such crazy shameful.
Originally Posted by BloodRed
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01-15-25 15:40 #3598Senior Member

Posts: 27098Georgia, Ukraine and Moldavia would like to belong to EU, out of Putin fucking elections. Only Hungarian support Putin in Europe, nobody else. We should put Hungary out of EU as long Orban is, when we really don't need them.
Originally Posted by BloodRed
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01-15-25 15:14 #3597Senior Member

Posts: 1924I do think those Pentagon figures of overall Russian casualties in Ukraine are probably correct or close. The Ukrainians on the other hand have lost close to 700 K. What a horrific needless tragedy thanks to NATO and the collective west. History will not judge these people kindly.
Originally Posted by Tiny12
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01-15-25 15:10 #3596Senior Member

Posts: 1924Yeah, you want all these countries to get wrecked like Ukraine. Don't you know what happened to Georgia in 2008? Why do you think they are sensible now and want no part of the EU provoked bullshit?
Originally Posted by Sirioja
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