Politics in the Dominican Republic

[MwenByen]

Only Americans have such shame in paying for sex, and I'm pretty sure you paid for sex decades in your life and nothing is wrong with doing that. You'll be surprised how some tourism sectors depend on sex tourists to come and spend money! And when these guys decide to dropout the game it hurt the local economies significantly! I can proudly say this, I paid for sex on every continent except South America and Antarctic I even did it in the South Pacific Islands. I'm currently in Madagascar doing this and after I'm done I plan on putting together a report. But going back to Dominican racism how can these so called victims of the system complain about these issues when they do it too there own kind in there homeland? They have several different racial groups in Haiti but as I stated before these so called victims marginalized there own people based upon skin complexion and facial features in a country that proudly abolished slavery before the Europeans did but in reality it never went away it just took on a different name. Most of the ones I met in the DR are not good people. It's just the fact you got money and that's the only reason they're being nice to you. They lie cheat and steal just like the Dominicans in the DR to the tourists. I know that the participate in the set up of robberies and burglaries also in the Dominican Republic. The argument can be said that Haitian and Dominicans are literally the same people with the same blood line but they were separated by different boarders and became one nation again and separated again. Many Haitians see Dominicans as a close relative and some Dominicans feel the same way. The world publishes numerous articles about how Haitians are mistreated in the Dominican Republic and I kid you not I witnessed with my own two eyes how Haitians mistreat their own kind in Haiti. However, these types of discussions are never mentioned by the media because it'll make their asylum claims less beneficial in the countries they emigrate too.

Impressive. I lived in the Dominican Republic almost continually for 10+ years.

I respect your opinion. But I disagree with it.

Same arguments can be made if you follow the history of Slavery in the United States of America. Slavers did not invade African Nations. The Ship Captains showed up and bought slaves from the African Countries / Tribes that controlled the slave market.

My point remains that the discrimination in the Dominican Republic against the people of Haiti is real. I cannot do anything about it. I am not a citizen of the Dominican Republic. I am not even here to say that the Dominican people do not have their reasons.

Your time; Your money; Your dick; Your call! If you want to turn your head or a blind eye to that discrimination it is your right. Just as it is my right to point out that it exists.

As a personal note to you: Don't get it twisted. I'm not on the hook for anything on this earth except to provide for my children and pay my tax to the controlling legal authorities.. I am perfectly comfortable with this intellectual back and forth. But the bottom line remains you were in the Dominican Republic as International Trick. Something I have moved quite a distance from and I am happy I have done so. I have met some amazing Haitian people in the Dominican Republic with amazing skills. Skills that the Dominicans need in order to keep their country functioning and enjoying the relative luxuries that they do.

Trick away my ISG brother. And may the pussy be with you, always!

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The most amount of days I spent living in the Dominican Republic was 51.

Impressive. I lived in the Dominican Republic almost continually for 10+ years.

And yes I had conversations with plenty of Haitian people and Dominicans of Haitian descent whom wasn't prostitutes. The point I'm trying to make is this their claims of racism and discrimination should be overlooked.

I respect your opinion. But I disagree with it.

They have race problems in their own country and unfortunately it's almost virtually I'm possible to find this information on the internet because society more geared towards them being refugees and their plight for injustice in the DR. These people discriminate against their own kind based upon skin complexion, amount of whiteness you have in your blood and class. And let the truth be told a form of slavery is still practice in that country to this day and people whom are victims of the shit are generally looked down upon in Haitian society! While in the Dominican Republic I watch documentaries on Haitian people in particular children being trafficked to the DR to work almost slave like conditions on farms, to be beggars in the streets and right long prostitution and whom are going to Haiti to get such people? Haitians themselves! Hell if they were to seek treatment in clinics and hospitals even though they're undocumented their medical bills will be meager. If a guy like me or you was to go there our bills would be in the thousands! All there claims of being victims of racism should be thrown out of the window.

Same arguments can be made if you follow the history of Slavery in the United States of America. Slavers did not invade African Nations. The Ship Captains showed up and bought slaves from the African Countries / Tribes that controlled the slave market.

My point remains that the discrimination in the Dominican Republic against the people of Haiti is real. I cannot do anything about it. I am not a citizen of the Dominican Republic. I am not even here to say that the Dominican people do not have their reasons.

Your time; Your money; Your dick; Your call! If you want to turn your head or a blind eye to that discrimination it is your right. Just as it is my right to point out that it exists.

As a personal note to you: Don't get it twisted. I'm not on the hook for anything on this earth except to provide for my children and pay my tax to the controlling legal authorities.. I am perfectly comfortable with this intellectual back and forth. But the bottom line remains you were in the Dominican Republic as International Trick. Something I have moved quite a distance from and I am happy I have done so. I have met some amazing Haitian people in the Dominican Republic with amazing skills. Skills that the Dominicans need in order to keep their country functioning and enjoying the relative luxuries that they do.

Trick away my ISG brother. And may the pussy be with you, always!

[MwenByen]

The most amount of days I spent living in the Dominican Republic was 51. And yes I had conversations with plenty of Haitian people and Dominicans of Haitian descent whom wasn't prostitutes. The point I'm trying to make is this their claims of racism and discrimination should be overlooked. They have race problems in their own country and unfortunately it's almost virtually I'm possible to find this information on the internet because society more geared towards them being refugees and their plight for injustice in the DR. These people discriminate against there own kind based upon skin complexion, amount of whiteness you have in your blood and class. And let the truth be told a form of slavery is still practice in that country to this day and people whom are victims of the shit are generally looked down upon in Haitian society! While in the Dominican Republic I watch documentaries on Haitian people in particular children being trafficked to the DR to work almost slave like conditions on farms, to be beggars in the streets and right long prostitution and whom are going to Haiti to get such people? Haitians themselves! Hell if they were to seek treatment in clinics and hospitals even though they're undocumented there medical bills will be meager. If a guy like me or you was to go there our bills would be in the thousands! All there claims of being victims of racism should be thrown out of the window.

I was looking at TV while I was in Boston one day 2 years ago I saw Haitian Alliance community whining about they want be able to identify as Afro Haitian because they are a unique race of people. Which makes absolutely no sense because in Haiti they have over 30 words in there language to describe someone who is black with different skin tones and facial features that doesn't have European blood in them. And then there's the Mulatoo and Indigenous masses whom been there since colonization. And they all refer to Haitians as black who are not mixed with anything.

Have you ever talked to a Haitian person that you were not paying to fuck?

I have. You see you have not LIVED in the Dominican Republic. So you are allowed your opinions. But not your own facts. I have talked to Haitan people all over the Dominican Republic. I have talked to Haitian students attending one of the top universities in Santo Domingo. And to person they say they would NOT be in the Dominican Republic if it was not for the opportunities present there compared to their own country.

Now I am not holding myself out as expert. Nor am I saying that my experiences invalidate yours. You are saying ignore the facts. I have pointed out the facts. It is really that simple. I stand on the post I made below:

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Have you ever talked to a Haitian person that you were not paying to fuck?

I have. You see you have not LIVED in the Dominican Republic. So you are allowed your opinions. But not your own facts. I have talked to Haitan people all over the Dominican Republic. I have talked to Haitian students attending one of the top universities in Santo Domingo. And to person they say they would NOT be in the Dominican Republic if it was not for the opportunities present there compared to their own country.

Now I am not holding myself out as expert. Nor am I saying that my experiences invalidate yours. You are saying ignore the facts. I have pointed out the facts. It is really that simple. I stand on the post I made below:

Actual Experiences

My experiences of actually living (10+ years) in the Dominican Republic are not in alignment with the following statement:

I was shielded from the issues presented in the article mostly by the status of my citizenship. But that protection was also a double edged sword when it comes integrating into Dominican Society.

I can also tell you one story where I an my travel partner (a young smoking hot Dominican Citizen who is the same color as I am) were discriminated against in a popular Pizza restaurant in Jarabacoa. That sat us in a corner of the restaurant away from everyone else and they did not serve us. Everyone in the restaurant did not look like us. After we figured out what was happening to us my travel partner she was pissed. I calmed her down and suggested that we move onto another restaurant (as my experiences with that sort of situation in the United States of America served me well here). As we were leaving we both noted there was a side entrance where people who looked like us were picking up there meals to go (Jim Crow Style).

My personal experiences do not invalidate the personal experiences of others

As for the status of Haitians in the Dominican Republic, I believe that individuals should do their homework and actually learn about the situation that exists on the ground there (10 years of boots on the ground living there, remember) before speaking on the issue.

If Dominican people were so racists and hateful why in the hell will Haitians come to a country that hate them so much? Just because someone released an article dictating racism doesn't necessarily means it's true. It's almost virtually impossible to find an article on discrimination inside of Haiti which does exist I visited that country 16 years I was literally disgusted by the color caste system that exists in a country where literally you can spot a brown skin person a mile away! All I'm saying is this who cares Dominicans hate these folks, hell in their native country they hate each other. All I'm saying is this when you step outside any major town they will unite with Dominicans (the so called racists) to fuck you over only too teach you a lesson that they can. I'll be lying to you if I told you I never faced some form of discrimination in this country normally it goes like this if you're black or mulatoo people assume you have no money. And I get followed around in stores in the mall even on El Conde. But when they hear me speak English and here my NYC accent shit changes it's like almost everywhere in Latin America.

I know you're trying to bring awareness to there situation but trust me and a country has the right to enforce its immigration laws and define its right to citizenship.

[MwenByen]

If Dominican people were so racists and hateful why in the hell will Haitians come to a country that hate them so much? Just because someone released an article dictating racism doesn't necessarily means it's true. It's almost virtually impossible to find an article on discrimination inside of Haiti which does exist I visited that country 16 years I was literally disgusted by the color caste system that exists in a country where literally you can spot a brown skin person a mile away! All I'm saying is this who cares Dominicans hate these folks, hell in their native country they hate each other. All I'm saying is this when you step outside any major town they will unite with Dominicans (the so called racists) to fuck you over only too teach you a lesson that they can. I'll be lying to you if I told you I never faced some form of discrimination in this country normally it goes like this if you're black or mulatoo people assume you have no money. And I get followed around in stores in the mall even on El Conde. But when they hear me speak English and here my NYC accent shit changes it's like almost everywhere in Latin America.

I know you're trying to bring awareness to there situation but trust me and a country has the right to enforce its immigration laws and define its right to citizenship.

I do not understand the basis of experience that OP has in order make this statement. Is he giving his opinion or is he presenting it as a fact?

Because it is a very extensive article that details things that are actually happening on the ground in the Dominican Republic. Is the OP familiar with the legal structure that exits in the Dominican Republic regarding this issues covered by the article?

If his point is that it will not effect his mongering effort then I understand the perspective he is providing.

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in short don't worry about that article. Nor none of their social issues

I do not understand the basis of experience that OP has in order make this statement. Is he giving his opinion or is he presenting it as a fact?

Because it is a very extensive article that details things that are actually happening on the ground in the Dominican Republic. Is the OP familiar with the legal structure that exits in the Dominican Republic regarding this issues covered by the article?

If his point is that it will not effect his mongering effort then I understand the perspective he is providing.

[MwenByen]

I'm sorry for my grammar error I'm literally apologizing in advance my electronic device was acting up, when typing this message I thought some of the stuff came out but the other wording killed my post in short don't worry about that article. Nor none of their social issues they need to start praying and literally mean both Dominicans and Haitians.

I'm Latino proudly from Puerto Rico and I'm a mulatoo man, I can say this I faced discrimination in Latin America before and it normally goes like this these either it's dating, or classism. Unfortunately I experience Classism more in DR in that country I was staying at the JW and people thought I wasn't a resident there and I was getting triple check, I rarely speak Spanish to people when I'm in certain areas I speak English when you have a American accent and if you're black or mulatoo people think you have money it almost like you have to prove yourself harder when you're Latino. I was catching during my shift change at the JW from hotel staff. And hell I'm a successful businessman in the states. The point I'm about to make is this, I wouldn't be concerned about that article period. There isn't that much racism in that country because you'll find black dark skinned or Haitian people whom are quote on quote being mistreated. That'll work in collaboration with Dominicans of any race in order to rob you of your money even if it's going to cost you your life and always remember that when you visit that country!

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Actual Experiences

My experiences of actually living (10+ years) in the Dominican Republic are not in alignment with the following statement:

I wouldn't be concerned about that article period. There isn't that much racism in that country because you'll find black dark skinned or Haitian people whom are quote on quote being mistreated.

I was shielded from the issues presented in the article mostly by the status of my citizenship. But that protection was also a double edged sword when it comes integrating into Dominican Society.

I can also tell you one story where I an my travel partner (a young smoking hot Dominican Citizen who is the same color as I am) were discriminated against in a popular Pizza restaurant in Jarabacoa. That sat us in a corner of the restaurant away from everyone else and they did not serve us. Everyone in the restaurant did not look like us. After we figured out what was happening to us my travel partner she was pissed. I calmed her down and suggested that we move onto another restaurant (as my experiences with that sort of situation in the United States of America served me well here). As we were leaving we both noted there was a side entrance where people who looked like us were picking up there meals to go (Jim Crow Style).

My personal experiences do not invalidate the personal experiences of others

As for the status of Haitians in the Dominican Republic, I believe that individuals should do their homework and actually learn about the situation that exists on the ground there (10 years of boots on the ground living there, remember) before speaking on the issue.

[MwenByen]

I'm Latino proudly from Puerto Rico and I'm a mulatoo man, I can say this I faced discrimination in Latin America before and it normally goes like this these either it's dating, or classism. Unfortunately I experience Classism more in DR in that country I was staying at the JW and people thought I wasn't a resident there and I was getting triple check, I rarely speak Spanish to people when I'm in certain areas I speak English when you have a American accent and if you're black or mulatoo people think you have money it almost like you have to prove yourself harder when you're Latino. I was catching during my shift change at the JW from hotel staff. And hell I'm a successful businessman in the states. The point I'm about to make is this, I wouldn't be concerned about that article period. There isn't that much racism in that country because you'll find black dark skinned or Haitian people whom are quote on quote being mistreated. That'll work in collaboration with Dominicans of any race in order to rob you of your money even if it's going to cost you your life and always remember that when you visit that country!

I made an error when I said there were no hyphenated Dominicans.

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/...d-recognition/

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I made an error when I said there were no hyphenated Dominicans.

AfroDominican activists are fighting against the Dominican Republics discriminatory legislation and social attitudes that negatively impact Black Dominicans and Haitian migrants

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2023/...d-recognition/

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David Collado, Minister of Tourism, Dominican Republic is making a move against prostitution in Sosua. It is his vision that prostitution no longer exists there. The best insights into his thoughts are found in his Tweets.

On Twitter: (at) DavidColladoM.

https://www.sosuabeachdr.com/sosuabeach-changes2022/

There are other sites out there covering the changes on Sosua Beach in greater depth. I don't know if I am allow to post it. But is will send you the link via a PM. A Dominican citizen who lives in the area has given me many insights into the thoughts of the politicians though the statements they have made through social media (I don't follow politicos from any country). It all stems from big money developers that want to come in and make investments and they want the area cleaned up. I read something in the one of Dominican Republic forums that it has something to do with YouTubers and naming themselves. Sorry Charlie. That is not it. Follow the money.

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Police and members of the DNCD intervene in Sosua beach

Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.

Members of the National Directorate for Drug Control (DNCD), the National Police and the Tourism Police intervened in the facilities of the beach in the municipality of Sosua, after the government and the vendors did not reach an agreement on the size of the the three plazas that will be built on the site.

The sellers fear that, as has been done from "Casa Marina to Cabarete, where all the beaches are privatized", it will be done on that coast. They assure that they want 150 meters for each of the three squares that will be built on the beach and the government is offering them 100 meters, so they will not give in to that request.

"The government has taken over the beach here to take the beach away from us," said one of the vendors in a video posted on social media. They blame deputy Rafael Aníbal theíaz Rodríguez for any situation, for directing the contingent, as well as the mayor of the municipality of Sosúa, Wilfredo Olivences, for "anything that could happen to them. " According to vendors, Tourism Minister David Collado is expected to attend the scene.

In a video posted on social networks by an American, it is explained that the premises were intervened and all commercial activity was prohibited. The man expressed his concern and dissatisfaction with the action.

https://listindiario.com/la-republic...playa-de-sosua

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https://dominicantoday.com/dr/touris...start-in-july/

POTDR is really taking good care of the investors in the tourism business here in the Dominican Republic. I wonder why that is? LOL!

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POTDR was in Sosua yesterday.

https://dominicantoday.com/dr/north-...f-sosua-beach/

"President Luis Abinader and the Minister of Tourism, David Collado, started rearranging Sosa beach with an investment of 600 million pesos. The work carried out through the Executing Committee for Infrastructure in Tourist Zones (CEIZTUR) of MITUR will positively impact commercial activity, contribute to the excellent handling and management of the beach, and encourage investment in that destination.

This project will cover the recovery of the beach, fitting out restrooms, and organizing the vendors who make life in this area. It will also include the reordering of traffic, parking, and improvement of access to beaches, installation of security cameras, and regularization.

Of entertainment centers.

A Project Management and Sustainability Unit will also be created to guarantee its permanence over time. Minister Collado indicated that the government, through the Ministry of Tourism, will carry out training and education for vendors, as well as financing.

For their businesses. ".

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If there is a term that I cannot stand to see being used by individuals that claim to be educated it is Third World Country. If you research the term and you delve into all the different ways that countries can be classified you will not find the Dominican Republic on any of the Third World Country lists.

Then add to the fact that the term Third World Country is outdated but still in use (especially for people posting in many of the ISG forums). The politically correct designation would be less developed countries. So, let us review the terms Least Developed Countries (UN) or Low-Income countries (World Bank).

The New World Bank country classifications by income level 2021-2022 lists the Dominican Republic as an Upper-Middle-Income Economy. Not exactly third world.

Everything is not negotiated in the Dominican Republic: As for the assertion that you can walk into La Sirena, Price Smart, Bravo or Playero and negotiate the price down from what is being shown on the shelf. Well I welcome anyone on this board to try that and let us know how it worked out for you.

My Dad used to tell me: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Now when it comes to the price of social / sexual services those are certainly negotiable. But call an escort agency targeted at more affluent individuals and try to negotiate a lower rate. You will get your ass hung up on or if you are writing in WhatsApp blocked. So, even when you are purchasing social / sexual services not all vendors selling them are going to negotiate. And if you decide to purchase those services because they represent a value to you. That does not make you anything, other than a man who is willing to spend his money on what he wants.

The concept that the man who pays more for social / sexual services than another man is doing something wrong is a Man Law Violation. There are no words that can use that would not get me kicked of the forum to express the level of idiocy I think is being display by people who push this line of reasoning.

Unless you are paying for a friend, all money spend on social / sexual services is money spent on yourself. Does the person who decides they are going to shop in Nordstrom have a problem because he chooses buy something in that store not Walmart? Can he buy some products at Nordstrom and some at Walmart. You decide.

And before you tell me all social / sexual services are the same (unlike hard goods), you have to explain to me why you pay different prices for the social / sexual services all around the world. I'm listening.