Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Paulie97]

Yes, Ukraine is winning. Putin is on his last legs and a Gandhi like candidate is emerging to replace him promising strength through peace. Russians are having to use wheelbarrows full of money to pay for a loaf of bread, and the Ukrainian army is literally on the outskirts of Moscow.

Oh, sorry, that is not right. I just wanted to see what it felt to be a Democratic douche jacking off.

This post is actually the one that best matches the fallacy "Appeal to Ridicule," though with Elvis they are all essentially the same. Wink.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...al-to-Ridicule

[Paulie97]

So what's the problem?

Why hasn't it been done already? Your LAS has been in office for several hours now:

Didn't he pledge to end the war in one hour, even before the inauguration?

What's the delay now?

Well, I'll let you in on a little secret -- I'm happy the ball's in Trump's court now. And after he has INEVITABLY failed to bring peace to Ukraine and win his fucking Nobel Prize, I'll be back to taunt you Putin's cocksuckers to no end.

Tick-tock.

They have exactly what they want now. The only problem is that Little Vlad is all in. He's not interested in any genuine "compromise. " he made that all clear from the start with his speech re-writing history while denying Ukraine's right to existence.

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter...-putin-513812/

[Paulie97]

Not anymore. The dumb Dems had a leader who was not there mentally and the deep state ran things from 2020 to this year. Once it was learned their figurehead leader was incompetent, the deep state staged a coup against him before the 2024 election. This is after planning the Russiagate coup after the 2016 election. So the dumb Dems not want a duly elected leader and have no respect for elections. They prefer the deep state organizations like the CIA and FBI be the ones running things and do not give a damn what voters want.

You are a third rate Alex Jones, but this is the fallacy Elvis has going this time. That while he's long been well aware that support for Ukraine has been and still is bipartisan.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...al-to-Ridicule

[Paulie97]

Would you agree that the vast majority of the Crimean population since from 2014 up to now is Russian? That's why they all voted to join Russia. Majority is authority. I hope it's clear to you. You may not like the results, but you should accept them since you're all for democracy, right?

You misunderstand Ivan. We don't advocate democracy at the barrel of a gun. This while established borders are just that. Any in Crimea that wants to be Russian has long been free to pack up and go live there.

[Elvis 2008]

Would you agree that the vast majority of the Crimean population since from 2014 up to now is Russian? That's why they all voted to join Russia. Majority is authority. I hope it's clear to you. You may not like the results, but you should accept them since you're all for democracy, right?

Not anymore. The dumb Dems had a leader who was not there mentally and the deep state ran things from 2020 to this year. Once it was learned their figurehead leader was incompetent, the deep state staged a coup against him before the 2024 election. This is after planning the Russiagate coup after the 2016 election. So the dumb Dems not want a duly elected leader and have no respect for elections. They prefer the deep state organizations like the CIA and FBI be the ones running things and do not give a damn what voters want.

[Elvis 2008]

So Ukraine isn't winning?

Yes, Ukraine is winning. Putin is on his last legs and a Gandhi like candidate is emerging to replace him promising strength through peace. Russians are having to use wheelbarrows full of money to pay for a loaf of bread, and the Ukrainian army is literally on the outskirts of Moscow.

Oh, sorry, that is not right. I just wanted to see what it felt to be a Democratic douche jacking off.

[Blood Red]

Some might find it strange that Igor uses this nonsensical "Ukraine is winning" meme in dozens of his poorly-baked posts. There are two reasons. He usually posts it when there are no arguments left, but he still has to say something. But there's another reason too.

How Putin's Russia turned humour into a weapon

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46567364

So Ukraine isn't winning?

[Blood Red]

That is a pure lie -- complete, unmitigated and utter Russian propaganda. The true history of Crimea since Russian conquest in 1784 has been the attempt to extirpate Crimean identity and control the Tatars, which culminated in the Tatar expulsion of 1944. There may be a current Russian majority, but it is due to their centuries of ethnic cleansing, murder and racism.

Would you agree that the vast majority of the Crimean population since from 2014 up to now is Russian? That's why they all voted to join Russia. Majority is authority. I hope it's clear to you. You may not like the results, but you should accept them since you're all for democracy, right?

[Xpartan]

Well, the first thing that needs to be done is all the dumb Dems need to let go of their dicks and stop with the masturbation fantasies about the Russian economy failing, Putin being taken out of office, and Ukraine winning. So step one is Dumb Dems quit jerking off.

Step two is dumb Dems get it through their thick skulls that there is no peace without Putin. The West has made peace and deals with evil tyrants in the past and we will in the future. If you really feel like Putin is so evil, then get off your ass and go fight. You can talk all tough behind the keyboard but I think if you see people with their faces blown off and artillery shells flying over head, you would be crying like a baby screaming, "I want peace. ".

Step three is another thing dumb Dems do not get. You pick up the phone and talk to Putin. Biden has not spoken with Putin in years, but Biden is so demented I bet he thinks he has.

Step four is to ask Putin what it takes to stop the war and negotiate a settlement. Usually a settlement involves neither side getting all that they want but negotiating something they both can live with.

And before you gripe about step four, you have to do steps one through three.

And while Biden and the rest of the dumb Dems have been keeping their hands on their dicks, Putin has been gaining a stronger position day by day. If the dumb Dems were still in control, it would just be a a matter of time before our best negotiating position would be singing Kumbaya.

So what's the problem?

Why hasn't it been done already? Your LAS has been in office for several hours now:

Didn't he pledge to end the war in one hour, even before the inauguration?

What's the delay now?

Well, I'll let you in on a little secret -- I'm happy the ball's in Trump's court now. And after he has INEVITABLY failed to bring peace to Ukraine and win his fucking Nobel Prize, I'll be back to taunt you Putin's cocksuckers to no end.

Tick-tock.

[Paulie97]

Well, the first thing that needs to be done is all the dumb Dems need to let go of their dicks and stop with the masturbation fantasies about the Russian economy failing...

Is Trump a dumb Dem?

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/21/e...tam/index.html

Aside from the significant economic problems, Russia has suffered in the range of 700,000 casualties and are getting hit insides their borders.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwypg2z780go

If you really feel like Putin is so evil, then get off your ass and go fight.

This asinine non-argument has been answered a dozen times already. We'll fight if someone invades our country. In the meantime we will advocate support for Ukrainians who wish to fight for their country and identity.

You can talk all tough behind the keyboard but I think if you see people with their faces blown off and artillery shells flying over head, you would be crying like a baby screaming, "I want peace. ".

This is a spit in the face to every Ukrainian that has put his life on the line for his country, while assuming that those who support their actions wouldn't do the same for their own country. It's you that is the big keyboard coward. How many members here have you met up with to talk this trash to eye to eye? That's a good question to entertain. Smart money is on zero.

Step four is to ask Putin what it takes to stop the war and negotiate a settlement. Usually a settlement involves neither side getting all that they want but negotiating something they both can live with.

Putin has already been asked that question and given the answers. He wants Ukraine, full capitulation. Well sourced articles have been posted, as well as the costs to the West of giving him the Ukraine. We will see what if anything Trump can accomplish. The jury is still out.

Putin out of power, then fruitful negotiations to follow with the powers that replace him isn't a far fetched scenario, especially with increased Western pressure and military support, though we know you want it to be. This also doesn't involve a "Ukraine win" as was your straw man argument.

These are the logical fallacies you have going BTW, the straw man and proof by repetition. All are fallacious and not arguments at all. It's dishonesty and represents an inability to engage in genuine debate.

https://grammarist.com/rhetoric/straw-man-fallacy/

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_nauseam

P.S. Attacking the arguments of 60+ year old American men because they aren't volunteering to fight in Ukraine is technically an ad hominem fallacy, though I typically let those slide as they are about par for the course on stupid shit threads. I opted to just make you look stupid and hypocritical instead.

[PaulInZurich]

I see that Trump cult members stumbled in this thread. Can a Trump cult member explain to me how come Trump didn't stop the war in 24 hours, he guaranteed that multiple times during the campaign and of course he would never lie? Can a Trump cult member explain the brilliant plan of threatening Greenland and Panama and how that will contribute to a stable geostrategic situation? The problem with cult members is that they lack any critical thinking, all they do is parrot what Dear Leader is saying. For example, Tik Tok. For years Trump and republicans (and democrats as well) said how bad Tik Tok is, how bad is that the CCP controls it etc. The sheeples kept repeating "TikTok baaad, TikTok baaad". Republicans manage to get a bill through Congress (with enough democratic support), Biden signs it. Then the Tik Tok CEO makes a pilgrimage to Florida, pays some bribe in full daylight and who knows how much is the bribe we are not aware of, then suddenly Trump proclaims "Tik Tok is good". All the sheeples immediately start saying "Tik Tok goood, TikTok goood".

Before you start making this into a democrat vs republican thing. Both parties have some idiotic positions. Unfortunately the American political system is idiotic as well and you are stuck in choosing between two collections of positions that contain a bunch of idiotic positions.

The biggest success of Putin is that he managed to get half of the Republican party to do his bidding. Roland Reagan must be turning in his grave.

[John Clayton]

...The vast majority of the Crimean population has always been Russian...

That is a pure lie -- complete, unmitigated and utter Russian propaganda. The true history of Crimea since Russian conquest in 1784 has been the attempt to extirpate Crimean identity and control the Tatars, which culminated in the Tatar expulsion of 1944. There may be a current Russian majority, but it is due to their centuries of ethnic cleansing, murder and racism.

[Questner]

NOVO-OGARYOVO, January 20. / TASS /. Russia is open to communication with the incoming US administration about the Ukrainian conflict, and sees elimination of the root causes of the crisis as the priority, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting of the country's Security Council.

"We are also open to dialogue with the new US administration about the Ukrainian conflict. The most important thing there is to eliminate the root causes of the crisis, which we have talked about many times. This is the most essential thing," he said.

According to Putin, Moscow has taken note of statements by Trump and his team about the desire to reinstate communication and the need to make every effort to avert World War III.

Trump repeatedly said on his campaign trail that, if he won the election, he would settle the Ukrainian conflict within 24 hours. The incoming president reiterated a few hours back that he would put an end to the conflict in Ukraine, stop the chaos in the Middle East and prevent World War III.

[Xpartan]

You claimed in your response that some of Ukrainian MIAs are those who had left their country. Now it's deserters. Make up your mind, maybe?

1. You don't have a 7 to 1 advantage in artillery, the real average number is 3 to 1.

2. The Ukrainians have learned to counter your artillery advantage with drones.

3. The advancing troops always lose more people than the defenders.

4. Furthermore, you are military degenerates who advance with complete disregard for the lives of your own soldiers. Your MO is:

- dumb, primitive and criminal meat assaults.

- lack of support from tanks, IFVs and other fighting vehicles providing cover for the infantry.

- lack of, or even refusal from medical evacuation teams to bring the wounded to safety.

This is how you lose insane number of combatants. Since October 2024, you're losing around 2,000 a day, and before then 1,500 a day.

I did the math Igor. You do yours. Or better yet, tell your superiors to come up with a better narrative (although, that would require some balls, so I stand corrected).

5. Ukraine is winning.

Some might find it strange that Igor uses this nonsensical "Ukraine is winning" meme in dozens of his poorly-baked posts. There are two reasons. He usually posts it when there are no arguments left, but he still has to say something. But there's another reason too.

How Putin's Russia turned humour into a weapon

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46567364

In the dying days of the Soviet Union, Russians used humour to escape the bleak reality of economic stagnation, food shortages and long queues.

Political satire flourished on TV in the form of latex puppets during the 1990s, but it was quickly slapped down when Vladimir Putin came to power.

In today's Russia, where the media is largely controlled by the Kremlin and its allies, there is little room for genuine political humour unless it is used to deflect the blame from the government.

How Russia turns criticism into a joke

Humour and ridicule were a key part of Moscow's response when the UK said it was "highly likely" that Russia was behind the poisoning of former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, in Salisbury.

Russian officials and media figures have since tried to turn the English phrase "highly likely" into a mocking catchphrase that implies Russia is being blamed for everything with the flimsiest of evidence.

They have enlisted a range of popular figures from English literature, such as Agatha Christie's Hercule Poirot and Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes, to ridicule British allegations of Russian involvement in the poisoning which they denounce as unfounded.

Roman Dobrokhotov, whose investigative website The Insider was involved in exposing one of the two poisoning suspects, Anatoliy Chepiga, says such mockery is a form of trolling designed to "deliberately lower the level of discussion".

How the strategy works

"They cannot respond in a serious fashion and to the point, so they start to play-act. This is an attempt to mock, to reduce everything to nothing," Mr Dobrokhotov told the BBC.

Along with conspiracy theories and misleading narratives, he argues, this kind of tactic aims to sow doubt.

The result is that many will watch TV and decide there is no way of really getting to the bottom of what happened. In other words, he says: "no-one is a saint, truth does not exist".

Internet audiences are also a key target for this technique

One social media hashtag - #IamFromGRUToo - appeared to be inspired by the #MeToo movement. Pro-Kremlin Twitter-users mocked UK allegations against Russia's GRU (now GU) military intelligence agency.

One spoof job advert joked that the GRU was "looking for employees for its cyber-attack department, chemical weapons department and election-meddling unit. There is no need to apply - we will find you ourselves".

Ben Nimmo, an Atlantic Council researcher on Russian disinformation, told the BBC that attempts to create funny memes were part of the strategy as "disinformation for the information age".

While humour was once a threat to their Soviet predecessors, the Kremlin has now turned it to their advantage.

[Elvis 2008]

And how is the West supposed to do this? By cutting off the military assistance? By making Ukraine capitulate? By ensuring that the next war is 100% inevitable?

How about some specifics instead of your cheap and pointless Kumbaya?

Well, the first thing that needs to be done is all the dumb Dems need to let go of their dicks and stop with the masturbation fantasies about the Russian economy failing, Putin being taken out of office, and Ukraine winning. So step one is Dumb Dems quit jerking off.

Step two is dumb Dems get it through their thick skulls that there is no peace without Putin. The West has made peace and deals with evil tyrants in the past and we will in the future. If you really feel like Putin is so evil, then get off your ass and go fight. You can talk all tough behind the keyboard but I think if you see people with their faces blown off and artillery shells flying over head, you would be crying like a baby screaming, "I want peace. ".

Step three is another thing dumb Dems do not get. You pick up the phone and talk to Putin. Biden has not spoken with Putin in years, but Biden is so demented I bet he thinks he has.

Step four is to ask Putin what it takes to stop the war and negotiate a settlement. Usually a settlement involves neither side getting all that they want but negotiating something they both can live with.

And before you gripe about step four, you have to do steps one through three.

And while Biden and the rest of the dumb Dems have been keeping their hands on their dicks, Putin has been gaining a stronger position day by day. If the dumb Dems were still in control, it would just be a a matter of time before our best negotiating position would be singing Kumbaya.