It's so bad that the going rate for ST in most places seems to be 3 k. Even some street girls ask for that nowadays.
3,000 THB is less than $90.00 USD. $90 in LOS Angeles will get you a 15-minute CBJ car-date on Figueroa St with a crack ho who on her best day and in the best light (which may be complete darkness. LOL) will get a 4-6 on a scale of 1-10. Add to that a 25-30% chance of getting a ride in the backseat of a police cruiser and that 3 k THB GFE or PSE is sounding pretty good, if you ask me.
Yes, I get it; an average of 3 k in BKK is higher today than it was 10-15+ years ago. But that street hooker in LA was only $40-50 back then as well.
She hangs out on Soi 4 , in front of #25, with a dozen other girls. The tiny 4 ft girl puts on lots of make up, tries to make herself look old. The old chunky woman looks like a Mamasan. She translated for Kazach girl and confirmed to me she was all girl hehe.
Kazach girl said, toon 2-month tourist visa, will go home for a vacation and bring her friends to Bangkok to work.
Looking for a sexy restaurant my Thai friend took me to several years ago
IIRC it was beyond siam, away from asok, but I don't remember the road after that.
The room: 1st /2nd floor, completely private, round table. Waiters ensured to close the door diligently before and after entering / leaving.
Thai friend spoke to a man who came in after orders were taken and each of us ended up with a decent looking naked lady next to us. Lots of fingering and very fun playful atmosphere. It was definitely cheap.
Staying at a very nice residence in Asoke within vicinity from happening places. Been here for 8 days. I have tried 7 girls, 6 from Thermae, 1 from Wonder Massage 1-hour "nuru" massage. Call me Mr. Boring. I like consistency and sure-fire. I decided to give up "nuru" gel massage in Bangkok. I tried Dokidoki in my last visit in June 2024. Dokidoki is better. Still can't really compare to Tokyo. Saw some girls I met in my last visit but I don't repeat any of them yet, maybe one of them from ChiangMai b4 I leave the city. Out of 7 girls from Thermae, 6 were hits and 1 was a miss. The miss was a mum wtih one daughter. Not on her part but me being tired, I guess. One of the girls I took to supper with her the following night just to take a "break". She wanted the full 3K but I said "We didn't do anything and I bought her a nice supper for company" and I gave her $500 to send her off. Just finished a girl who has worked in a massage joint in one of the hotels in Macau. She was beautiful and a real spinner. Can communicate in my native language and can drink and vape in my room. That's a very good way to get to know the girl and foreplay. At the end, I put on her T-back and she was searching frantically for it. When she found out I was wearing it, she took the front and back pictures of me wearing it and let me keep it as a souvenir. Some more days remaining before I leave the city. A good break away from the rat-race. Cheers to Bangkok!
For quite some time now, I've enjoyed spending my early evenings in go-go bars. Some of the girls could easily be top models. In this regard, it's clear that Pattaya far surpasses all other places. Last month, I went to Patpong and was extremely disappointed because it didn't match the memories I had of it at all. I found it to be mostly focused on male homosexuality, which personally isn't my cup of tea. Additionally, the place has aged and seems to struggle with reinventing itself. Nothing comes close to Walking Street (WS) in Pattaya, with its XS, Pin Up, Palace, Fahrenheit, and even Chick or Shark, not to mention Kink, which I rank at the very top of my preferences.
Nothing? Well, except that recently I've started exploring Nana Plaza, and I must admit it has some appealing features: Geisha, with its well-built, soapy girls who playfully provoke customers to stick bills on their foam-covered bodies. I also enjoy watching them line up to shower off the foam. And I like observing the customers around me. But my current favorite is Billboard. The carousel concept is simply brilliant. By the time it completes a full rotation, and with my goldfish memory, I've already forgotten about three-quarters of the girls who were in front of me. It rotates, so the perspective constantly changes, allowing you to see both the front and back, which is far more interesting than always seeing the same angle in traditional go-go bars. I love watching them check themselves in the mirror to make sure everything's in place, fixing their hair or adjusting their outfits.
At Billboard, the girls are truly stunning, and I find them to have a certain class, even the tattooed ones. But what really draws me in is interacting with them. There's a mix of personalities: the shy ones who don't dare look at you, and when you smile at them, they're unsure how to take itwhether you're mocking them or not. Then there are those who deliberately ignore you because they look down on you or simply don't find you appealing.
Often, they respond to your smile (and they have smiles to die for), and sometimes a game begins where you exchange heart gestures with your hands, which usually ends when they signal for you to buy them a lady drink, and you gently reply that it's too early. Sometimes necks crane because the carousel keeps turning, and you want to share one last kiss or make sure you understood the last message.
The dialogue continues with each rotation, exchanging signs or smiles, creating a full conversation using just faces, bodies, and hands, like in a silent movie. The best part is during shift changes when the carousel is packed and seems on the verge of collapsing under the weightit feels like being on the subway at 6 pm, surrounded by a forest of stunning legs. That's when I lose my mind, not knowing where to look, dreaming of walking into that forest of legs, lying down in the middle, and dying right there, just like that.
That's how I'the like to leave this life, heading straight to hell, where I imagine people have more fun than in heaven.
Not sure why not even a single report. Girls smoking. Gems galore. They adore the Brown because we never make them frown. Wouldn't say it's the cheapest place. But definitely so much fun. As the prophet Muhammad once said, "Got to love DDs!" LOL.
Do not overthink your stay or you will have a terrible time and use all pricing as a guide that you read about here. Pay more or less sometimes and it will all even out in the end.
Overview of Bangkok options.
So many debates and so many questions in my private messages and in the Bangkok thread, I thought I would put together my take as a kind of newbie guide for mongers on where and how to find girls in BKK.
With the digital world taking over and the ladies continually glued to their phones, there is no doubt that it is the best place to find P4 P. I personally prefer We Chat, Badoo, Thai Friendly, and Tinder.
WE Chat is quite easy as everything is out in the open, but watch out for ladyboys. The ladies all post very clearly what their intentions are. It is the other sites that are a little more challenging. There is a people nearby feature that can be used to track down the girls near you. Within about 15 KM. We chat is completely free and all the rest of them offer free options and paid options to enhance your experience. For the sake of this post, I will use Thai Friendly as the example as it is the most popular and widely discussed on this board and is the only one that is worth paying for in my opinion in Bangkok if you are looking for P4 P. First, I will clear up all the misconceptions for everyone. Regular members can message once every 10 minutes but if the girl is too popular, free accounts cannot message her. The premium account comes with unlimited massaging to all members with no waiting time between sent messages and your messages are put at the top of the lady's inbox. You can also hide things like your online status and joined date. These are valuable tools. Well worth the 800 baht per month. For all you skeptics, any decent looking lady gets thousands of messages each day. If you don't believe me, ask the next girl you chat with. She will tell you she just can't reply to everyone so having your message go to the top of her inbox, is an excellent advantage over being a free member. The BKK section is about 50% normal girls and 50% P4 P, don't talk with me about Pattaya as this is not the Pattaya thread. However, it is not easy to unlock 100% of the P4 P ladies. Some only do it part time and some are selective. For the hottest girls, search 18-24 year old. From there, send a message saying "Do you want to make money? With this proven method, you will score. The university girls looking for a quick tuition fix are your targets. They will offer the best GFE with mostly no mention of a condom. You can get them for 3-4 K baht for the night, LT. This is strictly P4 P guys. I have other methods I use to find the good ladies for short or long time girlfriends. Finally, mongers get so obsessed with Line. Line is not any magical way into a Thai girls pants. It is just heir preferred method of contact.
Next, freelancers and the bar scene. I frequent the Hillary bars, Levels, Flamingo and Mixx. Climax used to be the go to place, but it closed for some time. It is now open again just recently. However, I have not been back yet. As for Thermae, It mainly appeals to the Japanese crowd if that's your thing, please know It is hit and miss for most farangs. 3000ST is the average. Never pay first under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, says she will let you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you will lose all control.
Next, massage shops. I choose Snow White for the hands down best PSE / GFE experience. Every time I get multiple pops with BBFS and sometimes CIP. The prices are approximately 1,900 baht for 1 hour, 2,300 baht for 90 minutes, and 2,500 baht for 2 hours. I never pay upfront. However, I always get BBFS there but CIP only 50% of the time with a tip of around 1000 baht I am not a fan of A+, but it is available with about 70% of the ladies. When I am looking for the kind of Thai girls who normally go with Asians, I go to Ratchada, Rama 9, Sukhumvit Soi 31,33. For other areas, there is Soi 26, Soi 24, and Soi 24/1. The famous Tulip is opposite Soi 55 Thonglor on Sukhumvit. This place has seen better days through. This meaning the lineup can be god awful to average, but never like ti used to be. For anyone looking for Dao, she is now at Snow White. Honorable mention goes to Mango on Soi 24. Decent lineup every day that is consistent and by paying a little bit more, you can get BBFS with most of the girls.
Go go bars and bars with bar fines. In Soi Cowboy, Crazy House. The bar fine for me has always been 800-1000 Baht and I love this place for the nude dancing. However, there is a constant pressure to buy lady drinks, which may not appeal to some of the guys. Beware of this lady drink hustle, as you may buy a few while the lady has another customer lined up for a bar fine. I always choose my girl and then negotiate the bar fine first. Then I pay the bar fine and sit and relax with the girl and drink. I often go ST for 3000 to the ST room at the end of the soi or LT to my condo for 4-5 K baht depending on the girls rates. Keep in mind, I mostly never discuss rates with the girls and give them these prices as they are the going rates and fair plus a tip if they take care of me well. Additionally, I almost always get what I want such as BBFS. I think a lot of that has to do with my easy going attitude. While drinking before we go, she can then have as many lady drinks as she wants. Keep note, with the many complaints of bill padding, the bar now asks you to sign every bill as you order and drink. 80% of the time, I have a good experience. In my humble opinion, the rest of Soi Cowboy is a waste of time. Maybe Baccara is worth a visit still, but that's it. The rest of the bars are full of drink queens and inconsistent line ups.
My go to places in Nana are Butterflies and Billboard. I mostly follow the same rules here. Billboard being the one where I refuse to buy lady drinks for any girl until after I have paid my bar fine. As for the bars, I like to go to many of the small bars on Soi 4, Morning Night and the many Hillary bars. Bar fines are about 700 baht and you can sometimes find a diamond in the ruff at these places. 80% of the time, I drank with the girls, then paid their bar fine, and took them for ST or LT and got a real GFE with BBFS and CIP. I always pay 3000ST and around 5000 LT plus a tip. Again, never pay first under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, lets you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you lose all control. I used to frequent Patpong, but I have not been back since before covid.
Some honorable mentions: The Soi 7 beer bars. They can be dead awful to amazing depending on the day. There is also Soi 22 where you will find a ton of massage shops and small bars at the top of the Soi and tucked into almost all of the side soils. There is also a little small bar and massage area that I have been to on Soi 20/1 that is quite fun. Then there is Soi 8 that houses a few BJ bars and massage shops, a small road off Asok that houses Som's Heaven with a new name I have forgotten, and the Soi 23 massage shops. I would not suggest picking up off the street, but if that's your thing, across from Nana Plaza in the hotel car park by the ATMs there are street hookers and also ones outside of Thermae.
Foreign working girls. If anyone knows me, they know I love Viet women. I find them on WE chat. Start your search using the people nearby function on Lower Sukhumvit. You will find them for 3500ST during the day which is a bargain compared to what they ask in the bars. However, the experience will vary and mostly depends on YMMV. They are aggressive and hungry for money so they will say anything to get you in their bed and most will ask you to pay first. Use your best judgement but keep this in mind: Never ever ever ever pay upfront under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, says she will let you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you lose all control. The Africans are sticking to Tinder these days, or trolling the streets, but I would advise against hiring any of them.
Moving to escort agencies. I never use them, end of story. I do not think it is necessary. Why,? Because you can call delivery over by using Thai Friendly or Tinder. I strongly suggest the upgrade to premium as I said above to eliminate the 10 minute waiting time. I know about the search work around to message the most popular girls, but who wants to mess with this to save the 800 Baht. Be careful who you message. Feel them out first, as there are a lot of normal girls on TF in Bangkok. Unlike Pattaya where 90% on TF are looking for customers. Do not ask "What are you looking for" Introduce yourself. Tell them whether you are on holiday or working here. Ask them what their job is. This will get you the info you want to know. However, you will know straight away with about 15%. It will be clear what they are looking for on their profile. However, don't be fooled. Some working girls will write they are looking for relationships, but they are still ready and willing to give it up for the baht. This is expanded more from the section I wrote above with another tip on finding out if they are willing to play if you are not comfortable with the "Do you want to make money" question.
Now, the local scene. For this, I use X, the Pimp, and T-Ded-99. The Pimp is located in Town and Town and T-Ded 99 is located in the Saphan Kwai bar area on Suthisan Rd. This takes some Thai language skills and some patience.
Let's start Thai Sideline girls. Now you can still find them on X. This will be hit and miss as most ladies will ignore farngs. Be polite but it is a crap shoot. Most encounters will happen in ST rooms that the girl will rent for the entire day to entertain clients or you will need to meet the girl at a local hotel of her choosing. This will be a completely different experience as the ladies will be dick scared and shy because of not speaking English. Service level will be a crap shoot, as well, but generally be cheaper than what we as expats normally pay. On average 800 Baht to 1500 Baht ST. Often, you will be trying to book through an admin who manages multiple ladies through several mobile phone and Line OA business accounts. What I like is they will send you a bunch of photos and a more accurate description of what's on offer with photos that don't have the face hidden and some are on the website. If you can speak Thai like me, you will do really well and get BBFS. If not, if you are on holiday, you will waste too much time. For expats, time is not really an issue.
The Pimp is a gentlemen's club in the Town in Town area of BKK. It caters to mostly older married Thai men with money who like to step out on their wives. If you are a cheap Charlie, this is not the place for you. However, the ladies are all white skinned, and clinically beautiful and sexy. You can choose a membership which includes sets of bottles or you can pay as you go. The drink sets normally start around 4000 Baht+++ They often have great promotions for non- members. Be sure to go with a group of friends to share the costs. As for the ladies, you pay a fee of 1000-2000 baht for the first hour. This depends on the category of the lady. She will drink with you for that hour, wipe your ass for you when you go to the toilet, feed you snacks, dance with you, let you grope her, kiss you, feel you up, jack you over your pants, but she won't openly go with you outside for sex. Every additional hour is 500 baht. If you want a girl to go with you, you must discreetly discuss it during your time together. If she agrees, it will be a minimum of 6000ST but probably more. I have paid 6 K and as high as now 20 K for ST. They are used to old Thai men with money so the sex will be hit and miss but you can know that you will be fucking a real stunner. Not all will be starfishes either.
Next is T-Ded-99. When you walk in to the entrance in the corner by 7/11, you will see a huge room with a long stage that goes from one end to the other. The first lot of girls sit at the far end in some booths, about 50 or so, while others sit with customers and dance on stage, some topless at times. All around the outside there are Karaoke VIP rooms. Then there is a small hallway leading to another area of Karaoke rooms, which is on the way to the bathrooms. It is in this area where there is a long bench against the walls that wraps around the corridor and goes along the back hallway all the way to the bathrooms. It is on this long bench where all the other girls sit waiting to be either chosen as guys walk by or be brought out in huge groups to show the guys sitting down in the booths or in the karaoke rooms. There are literally 150 girls in this back area alone, plus around 50 or so girls sitting in the booths and maybe another 20 or so already with customers. If you walk and and sit down, you would not know they were even there until you walked to the bathrooms. Most foreigners go there for the first time and walk in and out as they don't think there are any girls. They are sadly mistaken. After choosing your girl, we sat down and drank beer. Large bottles of Heineken, ate fries, mango, and chicken fried rice. One of the last few times I was there I chose a girl and she sat with me for 3 hours. Then after I took her to the ST hotel across the road. Now, the pricing. All the food, about 5-6 large Heinekens, and the cost of the girl to sit with me was in total, 1900 baht. There are no lady drinks in this place. Just a small sitting fee of about 200 Baht per hour, maybe a little less. The lady drinks and eats whatever you order. Then comes the cost of the girl to take out to the hotel. It's very easy to figure here. It's 2500 baht including the hotel. My girl's name was Kao. She is 22 years old with no baby and nice see cups. We showered together and then onto the bed. Lot's of steamy sex in all positions and a nice CIP finish. Total cost was 4400 baht. However, this place is so fun and cheap, I tipped a bunch of the staff plus the girl was given a healthy tip for her bedroom activities being pretty much the same as a GF. BBFSCIP. I often see the odd other western foreigner in there, but they always look completely lost and don't last long. The quite a few Chinese guys and the rest are all Thai. You will need to speak some Thai in this place to make things much easier, so I would suggest going with a Thai friend if you can't speak Thai. So, just to summarize, the cost was 4400 Baht not including the tips I gave to the staff and my girl. Therefore, it was closer to about 10 K all in. You don't need to be the same as me though. A comparable night in go go plus the ST with the lady would most likely be much higher. I compare this to a go go because that's what it really is.
About the Line App. Guys, Line is not a mythical and magical way into a Thai girls pants. It is just their preferred method of contact. The people nearby search function is not available if you have your line account downloaded from another country where that feature is not available. Thailand is one of those places where it is not available. However, if you come from a country such as the USA where it is available, you can use it in Thailand but there will be no Thai girls there. If there are some, they probably are visiting from another country or for whatever reason, their Apple ID or google Play store account are not from Thailand. So, to be clear, this search function is not available in Thailand!
This is just my personal experience in Bangkok and it may not be the same as others. However, I have been very successful at achieving my mongering goals. Don't get me wrong though. I have made my share of mistakes too. The best way to prevent those is to RTFF. That's what it is here for.
Unusual request. Is it possible to hire 2 attractive lasses to join me on the train to the airport. Or if anyone can PM me some beauties on their list, would greatly appreciate it. Just ride on the train with me there and back to pick up a friend. He will be thrilled.
I assume there's payment involved and how much (ballpark).
Because I have a friend who's an intern at the airport as ground staff, she may be interested in earning some extra money. She is definitely cute I would say.
Do not overthink your stay or you will have a terrible time and use all pricing as a guide that you read about here. Pay more or less sometimes and it will all even out in the end.
Overview of Bangkok options.
So many debates and so many questions in my private messages and in the Bangkok thread, I thought I would put together my take as a kind of newbie guide for mongers on where and how to find girls in BKK.
With the digital world taking over and the ladies continually glued to their phones, there is no doubt that it is the best place to find P4 P. I personally prefer We Chat, Badoo, Thai Friendly, and Tinder.
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Been coming to Bangkok and Manila for 20+ years on holiday, but finally at age 63 I sold everything and came to Bangkok with my gorgeous 24 year old slim Filipina GF, but my inner monger just couldn't be silenced so I got my Thai LTR visa and sent my hot Filipina back home. I live across from Soi Cowboy and love to hang out at Thermae but wasn't fully clued into all the possibilities until I saw this post which is absolute GOLD. Start a Patreon and I'll pay LOL. Thanks so much for all the info brother, you're a true saint among mongers if there ever was one. I'll fully explore these recommendations and report back ASAP on my experiences. The only thing I can add is that as you RTFF you'll find recommendations to check out the site Fiwfans, but alas it is no more as they got totally busted by the police and shut down. Also, it sure is helping to learn some Thai as already recommended. I highly recommend watching free Thai language vids but don't forget that Thai is tonal so find a cute Thai friend to correct your pronuciation. It will be loads of fun and help fill in the time between boom-booms. Cheers all!
Do not overthink your stay or you will have a terrible time and use all pricing as a guide that you read about here. Pay more or less sometimes and it will all even out in the end.
I must admire the time u have taken for the post. Ur post has made me to think about a visit.
Agin thanks very much.
Overview of Bangkok options.
So many debates and so many questions in my private messages and in the Bangkok thread, I thought I would put together my take as a kind of newbie guide for mongers on where and how to find girls in BKK.
With the digital world taking over and the ladies continually glued to their phones, there is no doubt that it is the best place to find P4 P. I personally prefer We Chat, Badoo, Thai Friendly, and Tinder.
WE Chat is quite easy as everything is out in the open, but watch out for ladyboys. The ladies all post very clearly what their intentions are. It is the other sites that are a little more challenging. There is a people nearby feature that can be used to track down the girls near you. Within about 15 KM. We chat is completely free and all the rest of them offer free options and paid options to enhance your experience. For the sake of this post, I will use Thai Friendly as the example as it is the most popular and widely discussed on this board and is the only one that is worth paying for in my opinion in Bangkok if you are looking for P4 P. First, I will clear up all the misconceptions for everyone. Regular members can message once every 10 minutes but if the girl is too popular, free accounts cannot message her. The premium account comes with unlimited massaging to all members with no waiting time between sent messages and your messages are put at the top of the lady's inbox. You can also hide things like your online status and joined date. These are valuable tools. Well worth the 800 baht per month. For all you skeptics, any decent looking lady gets thousands of messages each day. If you don't believe me, ask the next girl you chat with. She will tell you she just can't reply to everyone so having your message go to the top of her inbox, is an excellent advantage over being a free member. The BKK section is about 50% normal girls and 50% P4 P, don't talk with me about Pattaya as this is not the Pattaya thread. However, it is not easy to unlock 100% of the P4 P ladies. Some only do it part time and some are selective. For the hottest girls, search 18-24 year old. From there, send a message saying "Do you want to make money? With this proven method, you will score. The university girls looking for a quick tuition fix are your targets. They will offer the best GFE with mostly no mention of a condom. You can get them for 3-4 K baht for the night, LT. This is strictly P4 P guys. I have other methods I use to find the good ladies for short or long time girlfriends. Finally, mongers get so obsessed with Line. Line is not any magical way into a Thai girls pants. It is just heir preferred method of contact.
Next, freelancers and the bar scene. I frequent the Hillary bars, Levels, Flamingo and Mixx. Climax used to be the go to place, but it closed for some time. It is now open again just recently. However, I have not been back yet. As for Thermae, It mainly appeals to the Japanese crowd if that's your thing, please know It is hit and miss for most farangs. 3000ST is the average. Never pay first under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, says she will let you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you will lose all control.
Next, massage shops. I choose Snow White for the hands down best PSE / GFE experience. Every time I get multiple pops with BBFS and sometimes CIP. The prices are approximately 1,900 baht for 1 hour, 2,300 baht for 90 minutes, and 2,500 baht for 2 hours. I never pay upfront. However, I always get BBFS there but CIP only 50% of the time with a tip of around 1000 baht I am not a fan of A+, but it is available with about 70% of the ladies. When I am looking for the kind of Thai girls who normally go with Asians, I go to Ratchada, Rama 9, Sukhumvit Soi 31,33. For other areas, there is Soi 26, Soi 24, and Soi 24/1. The famous Tulip is opposite Soi 55 Thonglor on Sukhumvit. This place has seen better days through. This meaning the lineup can be god awful to average, but never like ti used to be. For anyone looking for Dao, she is now at Snow White. Honorable mention goes to Mango on Soi 24. Decent lineup every day that is consistent and by paying a little bit more, you can get BBFS with most of the girls.
Go go bars and bars with bar fines. In Soi Cowboy, Crazy House. The bar fine for me has always been 800-1000 Baht and I love this place for the nude dancing. However, there is a constant pressure to buy lady drinks, which may not appeal to some of the guys. Beware of this lady drink hustle, as you may buy a few while the lady has another customer lined up for a bar fine. I always choose my girl and then negotiate the bar fine first. Then I pay the bar fine and sit and relax with the girl and drink. I often go ST for 3000 to the ST room at the end of the soi or LT to my condo for 4-5 K baht depending on the girls rates. Keep in mind, I mostly never discuss rates with the girls and give them these prices as they are the going rates and fair plus a tip if they take care of me well. Additionally, I almost always get what I want such as BBFS. I think a lot of that has to do with my easy going attitude. While drinking before we go, she can then have as many lady drinks as she wants. Keep note, with the many complaints of bill padding, the bar now asks you to sign every bill as you order and drink. 80% of the time, I have a good experience. In my humble opinion, the rest of Soi Cowboy is a waste of time. Maybe Baccara is worth a visit still, but that's it. The rest of the bars are full of drink queens and inconsistent line ups.
My go to places in Nana are Butterflies and Billboard. I mostly follow the same rules here. Billboard being the one where I refuse to buy lady drinks for any girl until after I have paid my bar fine. As for the bars, I like to go to many of the small bars on Soi 4, Morning Night and the many Hillary bars. Bar fines are about 700 baht and you can sometimes find a diamond in the ruff at these places. 80% of the time, I drank with the girls, then paid their bar fine, and took them for ST or LT and got a real GFE with BBFS and CIP. I always pay 3000ST and around 5000 LT plus a tip. Again, never pay first under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, lets you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you lose all control. I used to frequent Patpong, but I have not been back since before covid.
Some honorable mentions: The Soi 7 beer bars. They can be dead awful to amazing depending on the day. There is also Soi 22 where you will find a ton of massage shops and small bars at the top of the Soi and tucked into almost all of the side soils. There is also a little small bar and massage area that I have been to on Soi 20/1 that is quite fun. Then there is Soi 8 that houses a few BJ bars and massage shops, a small road off Asok that houses Som's Heaven with a new name I have forgotten, and the Soi 23 massage shops. I would not suggest picking up off the street, but if that's your thing, across from Nana Plaza in the hotel car park by the ATMs there are street hookers and also ones outside of Thermae.
Foreign working girls. If anyone knows me, they know I love Viet women. I find them on WE chat. Start your search using the people nearby function on Lower Sukhumvit. You will find them for 3500ST during the day which is a bargain compared to what they ask in the bars. However, the experience will vary and mostly depends on YMMV. They are aggressive and hungry for money so they will say anything to get you in their bed and most will ask you to pay first. Use your best judgement but keep this in mind: Never ever ever ever pay upfront under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, says she will let you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you lose all control. The Africans are sticking to Tinder these days, or trolling the streets, but I would advise against hiring any of them.
Moving to escort agencies. I never use them, end of story. I do not think it is necessary. Why,? Because you can call delivery over by using Thai Friendly or Tinder. I strongly suggest the upgrade to premium as I said above to eliminate the 10 minute waiting time. I know about the search work around to message the most popular girls, but who wants to mess with this to save the 800 Baht. Be careful who you message. Feel them out first, as there are a lot of normal girls on TF in Bangkok. Unlike Pattaya where 90% on TF are looking for customers. Do not ask "What are you looking for" Introduce yourself. Tell them whether you are on holiday or working here. Ask them what their job is. This will get you the info you want to know. However, you will know straight away with about 15%. It will be clear what they are looking for on their profile. However, don't be fooled. Some working girls will write they are looking for relationships, but they are still ready and willing to give it up for the baht. This is expanded more from the section I wrote above with another tip on finding out if they are willing to play if you are not comfortable with the "Do you want to make money" question.
Now, the local scene. For this, I use X, the Pimp, and T-Ded-99. The Pimp is located in Town and Town and T-Ded 99 is located in the Saphan Kwai bar area on Suthisan Rd. This takes some Thai language skills and some patience.
Let's start Thai Sideline girls. Now you can still find them on X. This will be hit and miss as most ladies will ignore farngs. Be polite but it is a crap shoot. Most encounters will happen in ST rooms that the girl will rent for the entire day to entertain clients or you will need to meet the girl at a local hotel of her choosing. This will be a completely different experience as the ladies will be dick scared and shy because of not speaking English. Service level will be a crap shoot, as well, but generally be cheaper than what we as expats normally pay. On average 800 Baht to 1500 Baht ST. Often, you will be trying to book through an admin who manages multiple ladies through several mobile phone and Line OA business accounts. What I like is they will send you a bunch of photos and a more accurate description of what's on offer with photos that don't have the face hidden and some are on the website. If you can speak Thai like me, you will do really well and get BBFS. If not, if you are on holiday, you will waste too much time. For expats, time is not really an issue.
The Pimp is a gentlemen's club in the Town in Town area of BKK. It caters to mostly older married Thai men with money who like to step out on their wives. If you are a cheap Charlie, this is not the place for you. However, the ladies are all white skinned, and clinically beautiful and sexy. You can choose a membership which includes sets of bottles or you can pay as you go. The drink sets normally start around 4000 Baht+++ They often have great promotions for non- members. Be sure to go with a group of friends to share the costs. As for the ladies, you pay a fee of 1000-2000 baht for the first hour. This depends on the category of the lady. She will drink with you for that hour, wipe your ass for you when you go to the toilet, feed you snacks, dance with you, let you grope her, kiss you, feel you up, jack you over your pants, but she won't openly go with you outside for sex. Every additional hour is 500 baht. If you want a girl to go with you, you must discreetly discuss it during your time together. If she agrees, it will be a minimum of 6000ST but probably more. I have paid 6 K and as high as now 20 K for ST. They are used to old Thai men with money so the sex will be hit and miss but you can know that you will be fucking a real stunner. Not all will be starfishes either.
Next is T-Ded-99. When you walk in to the entrance in the corner by 7/11, you will see a huge room with a long stage that goes from one end to the other. The first lot of girls sit at the far end in some booths, about 50 or so, while others sit with customers and dance on stage, some topless at times. All around the outside there are Karaoke VIP rooms. Then there is a small hallway leading to another area of Karaoke rooms, which is on the way to the bathrooms. It is in this area where there is a long bench against the walls that wraps around the corridor and goes along the back hallway all the way to the bathrooms. It is on this long bench where all the other girls sit waiting to be either chosen as guys walk by or be brought out in huge groups to show the guys sitting down in the booths or in the karaoke rooms. There are literally 150 girls in this back area alone, plus around 50 or so girls sitting in the booths and maybe another 20 or so already with customers. If you walk and and sit down, you would not know they were even there until you walked to the bathrooms. Most foreigners go there for the first time and walk in and out as they don't think there are any girls. They are sadly mistaken. After choosing your girl, we sat down and drank beer. Large bottles of Heineken, ate fries, mango, and chicken fried rice. One of the last few times I was there I chose a girl and she sat with me for 3 hours. Then after I took her to the ST hotel across the road. Now, the pricing. All the food, about 5-6 large Heinekens, and the cost of the girl to sit with me was in total, 1900 baht. There are no lady drinks in this place. Just a small sitting fee of about 200 Baht per hour, maybe a little less. The lady drinks and eats whatever you order. Then comes the cost of the girl to take out to the hotel. It's very easy to figure here. It's 2500 baht including the hotel. My girl's name was Kao. She is 22 years old with no baby and nice see cups. We showered together and then onto the bed. Lot's of steamy sex in all positions and a nice CIP finish. Total cost was 4400 baht. However, this place is so fun and cheap, I tipped a bunch of the staff plus the girl was given a healthy tip for her bedroom activities being pretty much the same as a GF. BBFSCIP. I often see the odd other western foreigner in there, but they always look completely lost and don't last long. The quite a few Chinese guys and the rest are all Thai. You will need to speak some Thai in this place to make things much easier, so I would suggest going with a Thai friend if you can't speak Thai. So, just to summarize, the cost was 4400 Baht not including the tips I gave to the staff and my girl. Therefore, it was closer to about 10 K all in. You don't need to be the same as me though. A comparable night in go go plus the ST with the lady would most likely be much higher. I compare this to a go go because that's what it really is.
About the Line App. Guys, Line is not a mythical and magical way into a Thai girls pants. It is just their preferred method of contact. The people nearby search function is not available if you have your line account downloaded from another country where that feature is not available. Thailand is one of those places where it is not available. However, if you come from a country such as the USA where it is available, you can use it in Thailand but there will be no Thai girls there. If there are some, they probably are visiting from another country or for whatever reason, their Apple ID or google Play store account are not from Thailand. So, to be clear, this search function is not available in Thailand!
This is just my personal experience in Bangkok and it may not be the same as others. However, I have been very successful at achieving my mongering goals. Don't get me wrong though. I have made my share of mistakes too. The best way to prevent those is to RTFF. That's what it is here for.
Unusual request. Is it possible to hire 2 attractive lasses to join me on the train to the airport. Or if anyone can PM me some beauties on their list, would greatly appreciate it. Just ride on the train with me there and back to pick up a friend. He will be thrilled.
Do not overthink your stay or you will have a terrible time and use all pricing as a guide that you read about here. Pay more or less sometimes and it will all even out in the end.
Overview of Bangkok options.
So many debates and so many questions in my private messages and in the Bangkok thread, I thought I would put together my take as a kind of newbie guide for mongers on where and how to find girls in BKK.
With the digital world taking over and the ladies continually glued to their phones, there is no doubt that it is the best place to find P4 P. I personally prefer We Chat, Badoo, Thai Friendly, and Tinder.
WE Chat is quite easy as everything is out in the open, but watch out for ladyboys. The ladies all post very clearly what their intentions are. It is the other sites that are a little more challenging. There is a people nearby feature that can be used to track down the girls near you. Within about 15 KM. We chat is completely free and all the rest of them offer free options and paid options to enhance your experience. For the sake of this post, I will use Thai Friendly as the example as it is the most popular and widely discussed on this board and is the only one that is worth paying for in my opinion in Bangkok if you are looking for P4 P. First, I will clear up all the misconceptions for everyone. Regular members can message once every 10 minutes but if the girl is too popular, free accounts cannot message her. The premium account comes with unlimited massaging to all members with no waiting time between sent messages and your messages are put at the top of the lady's inbox. You can also hide things like your online status and joined date. These are valuable tools. Well worth the 800 baht per month. For all you skeptics, any decent looking lady gets thousands of messages each day. If you don't believe me, ask the next girl you chat with. She will tell you she just can't reply to everyone so having your message go to the top of her inbox, is an excellent advantage over being a free member. The BKK section is about 50% normal girls and 50% P4 P, don't talk with me about Pattaya as this is not the Pattaya thread. However, it is not easy to unlock 100% of the P4 P ladies. Some only do it part time and some are selective. For the hottest girls, search 18-24 year old. From there, send a message saying "Do you want to make money? With this proven method, you will score. The university girls looking for a quick tuition fix are your targets. They will offer the best GFE with mostly no mention of a condom. You can get them for 3-4 K baht for the night, LT. This is strictly P4 P guys. I have other methods I use to find the good ladies for short or long time girlfriends. Finally, mongers get so obsessed with Line. Line is not any magical way into a Thai girls pants. It is just heir preferred method of contact.
Next, freelancers and the bar scene. I frequent the Hillary bars, Levels, Flamingo and Mixx. Climax used to be the go to place, but it closed for some time. It is now open again just recently. However, I have not been back yet. As for Thermae, It mainly appeals to the Japanese crowd if that's your thing, please know It is hit and miss for most farangs. 3000ST is the average. Never pay first under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, says she will let you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you will lose all control.
Next, massage shops. I choose Snow White for the hands down best PSE / GFE experience. Every time I get multiple pops with BBFS and sometimes CIP. The prices are approximately 1,900 baht for 1 hour, 2,300 baht for 90 minutes, and 2,500 baht for 2 hours. I never pay upfront. However, I always get BBFS there but CIP only 50% of the time with a tip of around 1000 baht I am not a fan of A+, but it is available with about 70% of the ladies. When I am looking for the kind of Thai girls who normally go with Asians, I go to Ratchada, Rama 9, Sukhumvit Soi 31,33. For other areas, there is Soi 26, Soi 24, and Soi 24/1. The famous Tulip is opposite Soi 55 Thonglor on Sukhumvit. This place has seen better days through. This meaning the lineup can be god awful to average, but never like ti used to be. For anyone looking for Dao, she is now at Snow White. Honorable mention goes to Mango on Soi 24. Decent lineup every day that is consistent and by paying a little bit more, you can get BBFS with most of the girls.
Go go bars and bars with bar fines. In Soi Cowboy, Crazy House. The bar fine for me has always been 800-1000 Baht and I love this place for the nude dancing. However, there is a constant pressure to buy lady drinks, which may not appeal to some of the guys. Beware of this lady drink hustle, as you may buy a few while the lady has another customer lined up for a bar fine. I always choose my girl and then negotiate the bar fine first. Then I pay the bar fine and sit and relax with the girl and drink. I often go ST for 3000 to the ST room at the end of the soi or LT to my condo for 4-5 K baht depending on the girls rates. Keep in mind, I mostly never discuss rates with the girls and give them these prices as they are the going rates and fair plus a tip if they take care of me well. Additionally, I almost always get what I want such as BBFS. I think a lot of that has to do with my easy going attitude. While drinking before we go, she can then have as many lady drinks as she wants. Keep note, with the many complaints of bill padding, the bar now asks you to sign every bill as you order and drink. 80% of the time, I have a good experience. In my humble opinion, the rest of Soi Cowboy is a waste of time. Maybe Baccara is worth a visit still, but that's it. The rest of the bars are full of drink queens and inconsistent line ups.
My go to places in Nana are Butterflies and Billboard. I mostly follow the same rules here. Billboard being the one where I refuse to buy lady drinks for any girl until after I have paid my bar fine. As for the bars, I like to go to many of the small bars on Soi 4, Morning Night and the many Hillary bars. Bar fines are about 700 baht and you can sometimes find a diamond in the ruff at these places. 80% of the time, I drank with the girls, then paid their bar fine, and took them for ST or LT and got a real GFE with BBFS and CIP. I always pay 3000ST and around 5000 LT plus a tip. Again, never pay first under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, lets you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you lose all control. I used to frequent Patpong, but I have not been back since before covid.
Some honorable mentions: The Soi 7 beer bars. They can be dead awful to amazing depending on the day. There is also Soi 22 where you will find a ton of massage shops and small bars at the top of the Soi and tucked into almost all of the side soils. There is also a little small bar and massage area that I have been to on Soi 20/1 that is quite fun. Then there is Soi 8 that houses a few BJ bars and massage shops, a small road off Asok that houses Som's Heaven with a new name I have forgotten, and the Soi 23 massage shops. I would not suggest picking up off the street, but if that's your thing, across from Nana Plaza in the hotel car park by the ATMs there are street hookers and also ones outside of Thermae.
Foreign working girls. If anyone knows me, they know I love Viet women. I find them on WE chat. Start your search using the people nearby function on Lower Sukhumvit. You will find them for 3500ST during the day which is a bargain compared to what they ask in the bars. However, the experience will vary and mostly depends on YMMV. They are aggressive and hungry for money so they will say anything to get you in their bed and most will ask you to pay first. Use your best judgement but keep this in mind: Never ever ever ever pay upfront under any circumstances! No matter what. Even if the lady says she will fuck you a thousand ways with no condom, says she will let you fuck her in the ass, and agrees to stay with you for 12 hours. Even if she agrees to let you film it all. As soon as you pay first, you lose all control. The Africans are sticking to Tinder these days, or trolling the streets, but I would advise against hiring any of them.
Moving to escort agencies. I never use them, end of story. I do not think it is necessary. Why,? Because you can call delivery over by using Thai Friendly or Tinder. I strongly suggest the upgrade to premium as I said above to eliminate the 10 minute waiting time. I know about the search work around to message the most popular girls, but who wants to mess with this to save the 800 Baht. Be careful who you message. Feel them out first, as there are a lot of normal girls on TF in Bangkok. Unlike Pattaya where 90% on TF are looking for customers. Do not ask "What are you looking for" Introduce yourself. Tell them whether you are on holiday or working here. Ask them what their job is. This will get you the info you want to know. However, you will know straight away with about 15%. It will be clear what they are looking for on their profile. However, don't be fooled. Some working girls will write they are looking for relationships, but they are still ready and willing to give it up for the baht. This is expanded more from the section I wrote above with another tip on finding out if they are willing to play if you are not comfortable with the "Do you want to make money" question.
Now, the local scene. For this, I use X, the Pimp, and T-Ded-99. The Pimp is located in Town and Town and T-Ded 99 is located in the Saphan Kwai bar area on Suthisan Rd. This takes some Thai language skills and some patience.
Let's start Thai Sideline girls. Now you can still find them on X. This will be hit and miss as most ladies will ignore farngs. Be polite but it is a crap shoot. Most encounters will happen in ST rooms that the girl will rent for the entire day to entertain clients or you will need to meet the girl at a local hotel of her choosing. This will be a completely different experience as the ladies will be dick scared and shy because of not speaking English. Service level will be a crap shoot, as well, but generally be cheaper than what we as expats normally pay. On average 800 Baht to 1500 Baht ST. Often, you will be trying to book through an admin who manages multiple ladies through several mobile phone and Line OA business accounts. What I like is they will send you a bunch of photos and a more accurate description of what's on offer with photos that don't have the face hidden and some are on the website. If you can speak Thai like me, you will do really well and get BBFS. If not, if you are on holiday, you will waste too much time. For expats, time is not really an issue.
The Pimp is a gentlemen's club in the Town in Town area of BKK. It caters to mostly older married Thai men with money who like to step out on their wives. If you are a cheap Charlie, this is not the place for you. However, the ladies are all white skinned, and clinically beautiful and sexy. You can choose a membership which includes sets of bottles or you can pay as you go. The drink sets normally start around 4000 Baht+++ They often have great promotions for non- members. Be sure to go with a group of friends to share the costs. As for the ladies, you pay a fee of 1000-2000 baht for the first hour. This depends on the category of the lady. She will drink with you for that hour, wipe your ass for you when you go to the toilet, feed you snacks, dance with you, let you grope her, kiss you, feel you up, jack you over your pants, but she won't openly go with you outside for sex. Every additional hour is 500 baht. If you want a girl to go with you, you must discreetly discuss it during your time together. If she agrees, it will be a minimum of 6000ST but probably more. I have paid 6 K and as high as now 20 K for ST. They are used to old Thai men with money so the sex will be hit and miss but you can know that you will be fucking a real stunner. Not all will be starfishes either.
Next is T-Ded-99. When you walk in to the entrance in the corner by 7/11, you will see a huge room with a long stage that goes from one end to the other. The first lot of girls sit at the far end in some booths, about 50 or so, while others sit with customers and dance on stage, some topless at times. All around the outside there are Karaoke VIP rooms. Then there is a small hallway leading to another area of Karaoke rooms, which is on the way to the bathrooms. It is in this area where there is a long bench against the walls that wraps around the corridor and goes along the back hallway all the way to the bathrooms. It is on this long bench where all the other girls sit waiting to be either chosen as guys walk by or be brought out in huge groups to show the guys sitting down in the booths or in the karaoke rooms. There are literally 150 girls in this back area alone, plus around 50 or so girls sitting in the booths and maybe another 20 or so already with customers. If you walk and and sit down, you would not know they were even there until you walked to the bathrooms. Most foreigners go there for the first time and walk in and out as they don't think there are any girls. They are sadly mistaken. After choosing your girl, we sat down and drank beer. Large bottles of Heineken, ate fries, mango, and chicken fried rice. One of the last few times I was there I chose a girl and she sat with me for 3 hours. Then after I took her to the ST hotel across the road. Now, the pricing. All the food, about 5-6 large Heinekens, and the cost of the girl to sit with me was in total, 1900 baht. There are no lady drinks in this place. Just a small sitting fee of about 200 Baht per hour, maybe a little less. The lady drinks and eats whatever you order. Then comes the cost of the girl to take out to the hotel. It's very easy to figure here. It's 2500 baht including the hotel. My girl's name was Kao. She is 22 years old with no baby and nice see cups. We showered together and then onto the bed. Lot's of steamy sex in all positions and a nice CIP finish. Total cost was 4400 baht. However, this place is so fun and cheap, I tipped a bunch of the staff plus the girl was given a healthy tip for her bedroom activities being pretty much the same as a GF. BBFSCIP. I often see the odd other western foreigner in there, but they always look completely lost and don't last long. The quite a few Chinese guys and the rest are all Thai. You will need to speak some Thai in this place to make things much easier, so I would suggest going with a Thai friend if you can't speak Thai. So, just to summarize, the cost was 4400 Baht not including the tips I gave to the staff and my girl. Therefore, it was closer to about 10 K all in. You don't need to be the same as me though. A comparable night in go go plus the ST with the lady would most likely be much higher. I compare this to a go go because that's what it really is.
About the Line App. Guys, Line is not a mythical and magical way into a Thai girls pants. It is just their preferred method of contact. The people nearby search function is not available if you have your line account downloaded from another country where that feature is not available. Thailand is one of those places where it is not available. However, if you come from a country such as the USA where it is available, you can use it in Thailand but there will be no Thai girls there. If there are some, they probably are visiting from another country or for whatever reason, their Apple ID or google Play store account are not from Thailand. So, to be clear, this search function is not available in Thailand!
This is just my personal experience in Bangkok and it may not be the same as others. However, I have been very successful at achieving my mongering goals. Don't get me wrong though. I have made my share of mistakes too. The best way to prevent those is to RTFF. That's what it is here for.
I just want to say fuck it all, bask in the glory of Bangkok for 3 weeks, and then deal with the misery here when I come back. I'd give anything to be one of those people in the Jeju or DC crash. For whatever they were going thru in life, at least they no longer have any worries now, because the pain of life is finally over. I'm serious when I say this, but I do wish death on myself everyday.
It definitely sounds like you are comparing your holiday self to your actual life. I had this when I got back from a trip in December 2022. I had had such a great time and I had spent the immediate three weeks with an absolute stunner 38 years my junior. She was amazing. Top of her uni class, fresh graduate, nice family, amazing body, stylish dresser and not financially demanding at all. We were still in contact and she was telling me more about what life could be like with her and I was making promises I couldn't keep. I ended up having to break all contact with her and just focus to my life at hand. I made some work changes and rearranged a few things here at home. The reality is I couldn't not move there and really it would be so impractical to give her 2-3 kids that she desperately deserves. I'm not looking to get in the family way again at my age.
All things can pass and if there are things events that can make your life better, then take action on those. What activities do you enjoy? Can you enjoy these in your home country while waiting for your next Bangkok trip? Your money will go a lot further if you get out of Bangkok into the Thai countryside.
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