Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Blood Red]

Bottom line, theIsraelis have them all. Vance was less hawkish on Yemen than the others. Gubbard, who was against it, is now all fir it. They all want war. Maybe war, in the form of giant mushroom clouds, is the way forward. The gangsters, who run Europe, want it. It beats me, in Europe at least, how these obvious morons and grifters gain power, or the illusion of it.

On the plus side, it is great to see the NGO lot lose their jobs in big numbers. Like Zelensky's lot, they are a gang of spongers.

Trump's hands are tied. So are Tulsi Gabbard's. The Israeli lobby is too powerful, they control everything.

[Blood Red]

My big takeaway, and I'm admittedly biased, is that there was a good chance Russia would have used tactical nuclear weapons if Ukraine had looked like it was going to take Crimea. In other words, Russia is not going to lose this war, so in my opinion Ukraine and the West should be looking for an end to this through peaceful means.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...wiesbaden.html

I agree. The high point for Ukraine was in Late 2002 when Russia made those tactical withdrawals from Kherson and Kharkov region. That was the best time for the Nazi Kiev regime to have negotiated. Since then it has all been downhill and will continue to be so. And yes, Russia would have used tactical nukes if Crimea was threatened and even if Ukraine had been able to severe the land bridge to Crimea during the now FAILED counter offensive in Summer 2023. And there's no way the USA would have responded back with a nuclear weapon. There's no way that a USA president would risk losing Chicago, NYC or LA for Ukraine. Not going to happen.

[Blood Red]

LOL, you are a clear case of the ZDS, Zelenskyj derangement syndrome.

It will get even worse for you when you realize that Zelenskyj will have streets, squares and avenues named after him all over Europe. Not to mention if you dare to open a history book; Zelenskyj is the 21th century version of Churchill and Putin is the 21th century Russian Hitler.

It's over for you buddy boy. You have already lost. You're on the wrong side of history. Just read the history books.

I wonder what this dumb shit will say when Zelensky packs his bags and runs away to one of his mansions in Europe. But he will find some way to justify that too I'm sure.

[Paulie97]

Here are the dolls their kids are supposed to play with, dolls of young women with shredded limbs. And before any of our resident morons scream about Putler, there are plenty of such women in Ukraine, cannon fodder for Zelensky; s wife.

The 300,000 odd Nazis who run Ukraine are a suck lot and so are their paid sock puppets here.

Russian loses are substantial and heartbreaking. Just ask their mothers, but you know that already don't you? Speaking of sock puppets and morons, while the smarter ones packed up and ran for the border to dodge the draft. Wink.

But in any case, your imagined superpower status with an economy about the size of Texas has long ago been exposed, while you can't even conquer your much smaller neighbor. The West isn't impressed, nor is the audience of under 10 on an overflow thread in a hooker forum.

[Paulie97]

My big takeaway, and I'm admittedly biased, is that there was a good chance Russia would have used tactical nuclear weapons if Ukraine had looked like it was going to take Crimea. In other words, Russia is not going to lose this war, so in my opinion Ukraine and the West should be looking for an end to this through peaceful means.

Which of course completely ignores the likely devastating Western military response to any use of tactical nuclear weapons, and generally the fact that Russia isn't the only nuclear country. Nonetheless the West and Ukraine need to just bend over and grab their ankles now while begging Russia not to make it hurt too bad. In fact that's what they all should have done three years ago. Why? Because Tiny, an obsessed little weasel in a hooker forum says so. Damn Ukraine for objecting to the invasion of their country based on myths and distorted history. The same goes for complaining about all the war crimes, as Little Vlad has rattled the nuclear saber and Little Tiny in Stupid Shit insists on a surrender. All will be well, until the next time a little weasel decides to threaten nuclear war.

[Questner]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/30/w...takeaways.html

The war in Ukraine is at an inflection point, with President Trump seeking rapprochement with the Russian leader, Vladimir V. Putin, and pressing for an end to the fighting.

But for nearly three years before Mr. Trump's return to power, the United States and Ukraine were joined in an extraordinary partnership of intelligence, strategy, planning and technology whose evolution and inner workings have been known only to a small circle of American and allied officials.

With remarkable transparency, the Pentagon has offered a public accounting of the $66.5 billion in weaponry it has supplied to Ukraine. But a New York Times investigation reveals that America's involvement in the war was far deeper than previously understood. The secret partnership both guided big-picture battle strategy and funneled precise targeting information down to Ukrainian soldiers in the field.

Here are five takeaways from the investigation.

A USA Base in Wiesbaden, Germany, supplied the Ukrainians with the coordinates of Russian forces on their soil.

The idea behind the partnership was that America's close cooperation with Ukraine would compensate for Russia's vast advantages in manpower and weaponry. To guide the Ukrainians as they deployed their ever-more-sophisticated arsenal, the Americans created an operation called Task Force Dragon.

The secret center of the partnership was at the USA Army garrison in Wiesbaden, Germany. Each morning, USA And Ukrainian military officers set targeting priorities — Russian units, pieces of equipment or infrastructure. American and coalition intelligence officers searched satellite imagery, radio emissions and intercepted communications to find Russian positions. Task Force Dragon then gave the Ukrainians the coordinates so they could shoot at them.

Military officials worried that it might be unduly provocative to call the targets "targets. " Instead they were referred to as "points of interest. ".

USA Intelligence and artillery helped Ukraine quickly turn the tide against the Russian invasion.

In spring 2022, the Biden administration agreed to send High Mobility Artillery Systems, or HIMARS, which used satellite-guided rockets for strikes up to 50 miles distant.

In the war's first year, the Ukrainians were extremely dependent on the Americans for intelligence, and Task Force Dragon vetted and oversaw virtually every HIMARS strike.

The strikes caused Russian casualty rates to soar, and Ukraine's 2022 counteroffensive was largely successful: By December, the Ukrainians held an unlikely, David-versus-Goliath upper hand against their Russian foe.

The Biden administration kept moving its red lines.

From the first, administration officials sought to lay down a red line: America was not fighting Russia; it was helping Ukraine. Still, they worried that steps taken to accomplish that might provoke Mr. Putin to attack and. A. T. O. Targets or perhaps make good on his nuclear threats. Even as the administration developed an ever-greater tolerance of risk to help Ukraine meet the evolving threat, many of the most potentially provocative steps were taken in secret.

Easing a prohibition against American boots on Ukrainian ground, Wiesbaden was allowed to put about a dozen military advisers in Kyiv. To avoid drawing public attention to their presence, the Pentagon initially called them "subject matter experts. " Later the team was expanded, to about three dozen, and the military advisers were eventually allowed to travel to Ukrainian command posts closer to the fighting.

In 2022, the USA Navy was authorized to share targeting information for Ukrainian drone strikes on warships just beyond the territorial waters of Russian-annexed Crimea. The see. I. A. Was allowed to support Ukrainian operations within Crimean waters; that fall, the spy agency covertly helped Ukrainian drones strike Russian warships in the port of Sevastopol.

In January 2024, USA And Ukrainian military officers in Wiesbaden jointly planned a campaign — using coalition-supplied long-range missiles, along with Ukrainian drones — to attack about 100 Russian military targets across Crimea. The campaign, named Operation Lunar Hail, largely succeeded in forcing the Russians to pull equipment, facilities and forces in Crimea back to the Russian mainland.

Ultimately, the USA Military and see. I. A. Were allowed to help with strikes into Russia.

The hardest red line was the Russian border. But in spring 2024, to protect the northern city of Kharkiv against a Russian assault, the administration authorized the creation of an "ops box" — a zone of Russian territory within which USA Officers in Wiesbaden could provide the Ukrainians with precise coordinates. The box's first iteration extended across a wide swath of Ukraine's northern border. The box was expanded after North Korea sent troops to help fight the Ukrainians' incursion into Russia's Kursk region. The USA Military was later allowed to enable missile strikes in an area of southern Russia where the Russians staged forces and equipment for their offensive in eastern Ukraine.

Longstanding policy barred the see. I. A. From providing intelligence on targets on Russian soil. But the see. I. A. Could request "variances," carve-outs to support strikes for specific objectives. Intelligence had identified a vast munitions depot in Toropets, 290 miles north of the Ukrainian border. On Sept. 18,2024, a swarm of drones slammed into the munitions depot. The blast, as powerful as a small earthquake, opened a crater the width of a football field. Later, the see. I. A. Was allowed to enable Ukrainian drone strikes in southern Russia to try to slow advances in eastern Ukraine.

Political disagreements in Ukraine contributed to the 2023 counteroffensive's collapse.

The 2023 counteroffensive was meant to build momentum after the first year's triumphs. But after the partners held war games in Wiesbaden and agreed on a strategy, the plan ran headlong into Ukrainian politics.

The Ukrainian armed forces chief, Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, embraced the plan, whose centerpiece was an assault in the direction of the southern city of Melitopol that would cut off Russian supply lines. But his rival and subordinate, Col. Gen. Oleksandr Syrsky, had his own plan — to impale Russian forces in the occupied eastern city of Bakhmut. The Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, sided with him and divided up the ammunition and forces between two main fronts instead of one. The Ukrainians never did reclaim Bakhmut, and within months, the counteroffensive ended in failure.

Russia now had the upper hand.

[Paulie97]

When it comes to Iran, Trump parrots the neoconservatives, but he's not as hawkish as some. By withdrawing from the nuclear treaty and imposing additional sanctions on Iran he figured he'd get them to come to the negotiating table. That was a bad bet. Sanctions and trade embargos don't work, as the USA's experience with Cuba, Venezuela and other countries has clearly shown. They didn't work against Russia.

I see you still haven't tired of coming here day after day giving new meaning to the word wuss while sucking up to every new Russia supporter that crawls out of the woodwork. Sanctions have worked, as they promote deterrence by sending a message on the world stage while making life tougher for bad actors. They aren't just about winning converts or securing regime changes, while you've never made a case for your vague and wishy-washy do nothing and appeasement alternatives.

[Jojosun]

QUOTE=Newton York no way is that real. It just can't be. It's got to be AI. Heck, at this point I might be an AI. Just some chat bot somewhere thinking I'm actually alive. Anyway, no way Ukrainians would bother wasting time making toys like that when they actually have real shit to deal with like fighting a war.

Now, if only I can have sex with some of them hijab babes in gaza. / QUOTE.

Start practicing with real. Dlls with hijab. Dlls with hijab.

[Jojosun]

QUOTE=Newton York no way is that real. It just can't be. It's got to be AI. Heck, at this point I might be an AI. Just some chat bot somewhere thinking I'm actually alive. Anyway, no way Ukrainians would bother wasting time making toys like that when they actually have real shit to deal with like fighting a war.

Now, if only I can have sex with some of them hijab babes in gaza. / QUOTE.

Start practicing with real. Dlls with hijab.

[Jarango]

That's the article Jarango, https://archive.is/Fdwq3.When it comes to Iran, Trump parrots the neoconservatives, but he's not as hawkish as some. .

Bottom line, theIsraelis have them all. Vance was less hawkish on Yemen than the others. Gubbard, who was against it, is now all fir it. They all want war. Maybe war, in the form of giant mushroom clouds, is the way forward. The gangsters, who run Europe, want it. It beats me, in Europe at least, how these obvious morons and grifters gain power, or the illusion of it.

On the plus side, it is great to see the NGO lot lose their jobs in big numbers. Like Zelensky's lot, they are a gang of spongers.

[Tiny 12]

Ukrtane has no chance of taking Crimea. The only thing Ukraine is taking is Western tax payers for a very expensive ride.

Thuis aritcle is written as the USA is openly talking about using nukes on Iran.

Edit: Is this the piece, comrade? https://archive.is/Fdwq3

That's the article Jarango, https://archive.is/Fdwq3.

When it comes to Iran, Trump parrots the neoconservatives, but he's not as hawkish as some. By withdrawing from the nuclear treaty and imposing additional sanctions on Iran he figured he'd get them to come to the negotiating table. That was a bad bet. Sanctions and trade embargos don't work, as the USA's experience with Cuba, Venezuela and other countries has clearly shown. They didn't work against Russia.

Unfortunately Trump hasn't learned from his mistakes the last time around. Threatening to bomb Iran will only harden its resolve.

Apologies in advance to Xpartan and others for not starting a new "Stupid Shit in Iran" thread to discuss this.

[Jarango]

My big takeaway, and I'm admittedly biased, is that there was a good chance Russia would have used tactical nuclear weapons if Ukraine had looked like it was going to take Crimea.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...wiesbaden.html

Ukrtane has no chance of taking Crimea. The only thing Ukraine is taking is Western tax payers for a very expensive ride.

Thuis aritcle is written as the USA is openly talking about using nukes on Iran.

Edit: Is this the piece, comrade? https://archive.is/Fdwq3

[Tiny 12]

There's a comprehensive, well-researched article in today's New York Times about military aspects of the war in Ukraine, written from the American perspective. It's well worth a read. I believe you can read 10 free articles a month if you sign up with the NYT, but if anyone wants to read it and can't, please shoot me a PM and I'll try to figure out a way of getting it to you. It's far to long to post excerpts here.

My big takeaway, and I'm admittedly biased, is that there was a good chance Russia would have used tactical nuclear weapons if Ukraine had looked like it was going to take Crimea. In other words, Russia is not going to lose this war, so in my opinion Ukraine and the West should be looking for an end to this through peaceful means.

The piece describes several instances where Ukraine unwisely ignored USA Intelligence and advice at pivotal points because some of its generals didn't trust it, or were overly cautious, or were overly concerned with politics. Again though, it's written from the American perspective.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...wiesbaden.html

[ShooBree]

Here are the dolls their kids are supposed to play with, dolls of young women with shredded limbs. And before any of our resident morons scream about Putler, there are plenty of such women in Ukraine, cannon fodder for Zelensky; s wife.

The 300,000 odd Nazis who run Ukraine are a suck lot and so are their paid sock puppets here.

LOL, you are a clear case of the ZDS, Zelenskyj derangement syndrome.

It will get even worse for you when you realize that Zelenskyj will have streets, squares and avenues named after him all over Europe. Not to mention if you dare to open a history book; Zelenskyj is the 21th century version of Churchill and Putin is the 21th century Russian Hitler.

It's over for you buddy boy. You have already lost. You're on the wrong side of history. Just read the history books.

[Newton York]

Dude, no way is that real. It just can't be. It's got to be AI. Heck, at this point I might be an AI. Just some chat bot somewhere thinking I'm actually alive. Anyway, no way Ukrainians would bother wasting time making toys like that when they actually have real shit to deal with like fighting a war.

Now, if only I can have sex with some of them hijab babes in gaza.