Pattaya Reports

[Mr Enternational]

Many times here it has been said that it is bullshit when a chick says she has to bring the key to a friend. I have always said it is true and actually a thing. At my building the person without a key thing happened so often that the owner posted a sign on both sides of the door saying 20 baht if someone needs the door opened for them. He has even gone as far as to put one of those card readers in the elevator to remind Thai people not to leave their key. (You can always take the stairs without the card reader though and wait by the door for someone coming in or going out to let you out.).

In true Thai fashion, they would rather repeatedly pay a 20 baht fine for not having a key than to get a key made for 30 baht. Somehow my girlfriend has been getting into the building and showing up at my door. The first time I thought maybe she walked in behind someone. But I went outside yesterday and saw that instead of copying the damn thing someone stores their keycard on top of the change machine next to the door so they can share it.

Another thing we know is that Thais would rather risk a 1000 baht fine than to buy a 200 baht helmet to put on their heads. If guys here report paying all this money and giving all these tips to people, then you would at least expect them to take care of mickey mouse shit like a key or helmet so it will not cost them exorbitantly more in the future, but TIT.

[Mr Enternational]

I never ask a girl "How much? That's a rookie mistake that even some so called veterans make. I always approach a girl with my rate first and negotiate from there. If you ask the girl "How much?" then of course she is going to shoot high. It's a no brainer and some guys don't get that. If you make your offer first your chances are better.

What the hell? What you are talking about doing is the rookie mistake. Who would go up to the owner of a car or house and just make an offer without knowing how much they were looking to get? You walk up offering them 2000 baht off the bat when they may have been willing to take 1000 baht if you had bothered to ask. In 90% of the cases dealing with you, it is their lucky day. You do all the shooting high for them.

Case in point. I emailed dive shops in the Caribbean about taking the self-reliant course and they responded in the neighborhood of $500. This morning I went to a dive shop in Pattaya and asked about the course. From your perspective I should have walked in and offered $400 for the course. But no. I walked in and asked how much for the course. I was told 1500 baht, which is $45 for 2 days with everything included.

Even when offering, there is a saying that goes if you are not embarrassed by your offer, then you are offering too much.

[Mogwai]

I am premium member and have no such problem. My photos have never been verified. Moments ago I sent 2 TF messages, both were successful. One used the mobile app and the other used the full website (laptop). One possible twist is that I'm currently located in USA and not using VPN.

I'm a premium member as well, and never had this problem either. Not until yesterday anyway. And I'm not using a VPN.

[KrumeLurer]

I don't think 2000 baht is anywhere realistic these days for long time. In fact 2000 has become the normal short time asking price.

I myself pay (ok, overpay) my regular girl 4000 for short time. We have had a barebacking arrangement for a couple of years now and we never gave each other any STD, which is also what I pay a premium for. But it goes to show girls' level of expectation at present. Before covid I was paying this girl 1000 at Soi 6 + 400 for the room. During covid I paid her 1500 to meet at my condo.

P.S. You should clear some space in your mailbox if you want PMs to reach you.

Only the normal price for guys that can't negotiate and think they are cool if they overpay or look better. I think its pure idiocy. Its guys like you that drive up prices.

And for no reason at all. I have never seen any girl wanting 4 k for short time on all of those thaigroups and pages I have looked at.

It should not be a problem to get ST from 1200-1500 with anything that looks good on TF. I have barebacked long time for 2 k baht.

[HorseTrader]

Suddenly I cannot reply to messages or send new messages anymore in TF. Instead I get the question if I want to verify my photos.
Anyone else who has this problem too?

I am premium member and have no such problem. My photos have never been verified. Moments ago I sent 2 TF messages, both were successful. One used the mobile app and the other used the full website (laptop). One possible twist is that I'm currently located in USA and not using VPN.

[MongerHunger]

I've lived here over 10 years and yet to pay more than 2000 for LT (I mostly do LT) and would not call myself sex starved, nor do I go with overweight ones. Certainly asking prices have gone up and average transaction prices too, and sure not everyone go for 2 k and of course there are a lot of 'hot' ones (who may well be starfishes in room) who would not look back if you say 2 k LT.

Sure being resident and having had time to find matching regulars helps keeping prices fair, but if you are normal looking fellow I doubt you need to spend a single night alone if you willing to part with your 2 k.

The problem with guys that talking about and accepting the higher rates is because that's what they are settling for. I never ask a girl "How much? That's a rookie mistake that even some so called veterans make. I always approach a girl with my rate first and negotiate from there. If you ask the girl "How much?" then of course she is going to shoot high. It's a no brainer and some guys don't get that. If you make your offer first your chances are better. If you don't like a counteroffer then move on. A lot of guys don't hunt. They are obviously too lazy for that. They don't want to put in the work or effort and it doesn't take a long time either. In Pattaya I have never paid over 1. 5 K for ST /2. 5 K LT the highest and the lowest was 700 for ST.

Use mltiple venue and avenues to achieve what you want and it will be fruitful. Guys that just sit up in one bar all night will be limited to only what is offered there and then come on this website and tell everyone that the going to rate in Pattaya is what they found at that one bar which is a total misperception and giving misleading information about Pattaya as a whole. In other words they are spreading "FAKE NEWS"!

[Knobrm]

I don't think 2000 baht is anywhere realistic these days for long time. In fact 2000 has become the normal short time asking price.

I've lived here over 10 years and yet to pay more than 2000 for LT (I mostly do LT) and would not call myself sex starved, nor do I go with overweight ones. Certainly asking prices have gone up and average transaction prices too, and sure not everyone go for 2 k and of course there are a lot of 'hot' ones (who may well be starfishes in room) who would not look back if you say 2 k LT.

Sure being resident and having had time to find matching regulars helps keeping prices fair, but if you are normal looking fellow I doubt you need to spend a single night alone if you willing to part with your 2 k.

[HorseTrader]

Aside from the fact that these are relevant questions for this forum, maybe if the threads weren't clogged with peripheral topics, it might be easier to access this info without wading through nonsense.

Yes, this is a real problem. My solution was to put the worst few offenders on my ignore list. With their posts invisible, it is much easier to find the interesting information that was posted by others. I took that step when I realized that these nonsense posters provide near zero valuable information buried within their prolonged posts.

[Turgid]

It is not as easy as you make it out to be. Even the girls in the bars do not want to go with non-asians if they are cute or young. I saw a guy from Germany offer a girl 30,000 and she still refused him.......

Even if he was a smelly Shrek I'd find that hard to believe. 30,000 baht?!

[Mogwai]

But honestly, from what I can see on TF, I may be overthinking this. Pattaya still has the same kernal. Can't wait for next week.

Yes, you may be overthinking this. In the last two weeks I have found several lovely young ladies in TF. The usual price was 1500 baht for a ST with BBBJ and BBFSCIP.

[XXL]

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And the prices, are people still getting long time for 2000 baht around?

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I don't think 2000 baht is anywhere realistic these days for long time. In fact 2000 has become the normal short time asking price.

I myself pay (ok, overpay) my regular girl 4000 for short time. We have had a barebacking arrangement for a couple of years now and we never gave each other any STD, which is also what I pay a premium for. But it goes to show girls' level of expectation at present. Before covid I was paying this girl 1000 at Soi 6 + 400 for the room. During covid I paid her 1500 to meet at my condo.

P.S. You should clear some space in your mailbox if you want PMs to reach you.

[Lanthano]

What did you find out so far from doing research and reading?

*Here's a side note* ISG is not the only place to obtain information. As a matter of fact, there is more information to obtain outside of the ISG website than here and if this website is your only source of information then you're doing it all wrong.

This is the second time I have come here, and I find myself interrupting someone's irrelevant multi-page discussion about baht buses, to bring the topic back to what people actually care about, and then to get the usual RTFF. You know what?

Aside from the fact that these are relevant questions for this forum, maybe if the threads weren't clogged with peripheral topics, it might be easier to access this info without wading through nonsense.

Apparently this reaction is so entrenched on here by some, that it's become acceptable? I dunno.

For my own fair city, I provide information if I know. (That's the word 'guide' in internationalsexguide.).

I've been to our fair sin city at least 4 times, and it's good to get an update whether much has changed. I didn't ask for a guide for every single venue.

Thank you to everyone that answered.

And the prices, are people still getting long time for 2000 baht around?

But honestly, from what I can see on TF, I may be overthinking this. Pattaya still has the same kernal. Can't wait for next week.

[Mogwai]

Looks like Thai Friendly is getting more strict. My head line was "In Pattaya now, looking for ST". This morning I went to Bangkok, and when I arrived there I changed the head line to "In Bangkok now, looking for freelancer". About 5 minutes later I got attached message. Obviously I was not offering paid services, but apparently the 'ST' in my head line was the reason I got this message.

Another 5 minutes later I found out that my new head line for Bangkok had been removed. So I changed it to "In Bangkok now, looking for student".

Then I got a temporary ban, but only for a very short time (maybe 10 or 15 minutes or so). When the ban was over, I asked the moderator if I'm not even allowed to look for students. So far he hasn't answered me yet.

[Knobrm]

-Which nightclubs are the best currently? Ibar / Insomnia, Lucifer or The Republic?
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Best is fairly relative concept, depends what you like and looking for. Anyway my observations.

- Lucifer I wonder how it makes the numbers work as it usually is very quiet. Weekends a bit busier but still barely worth a visit in my experience.

- What comes to Ibar, I think it has become what Red Car used to be pre-covid, but I esp 7-10 years ago. More mature providers and actually still some same faces, mixed with some younger. Insomnia shifted towards that direction also though maybe a bit less than downstairs, due to music and environment I guess.

- Younger / 'hotter' seem to congregate more to myst and republic, tend to be overcrowded esp myst.

-808 skewed towards thicker ones, guess due to taste of average male patrons there

[Master Monger]

What is it Bar Hotel California? You talk as if the chicks are relegated to the bar on a life sentence. They can't come out, but people can come in?

You can meet people anywhere they roam. It does not have to be in the place they work. It can be in the disco. It can be at the food cart. It can be at 7 11. It can be crossing the street at the same time.

Just because we do not go to the same bars does not mean we can not meet the same people. The bar is not the end all be all for meeting someone who works there. One thing about me is that I do not have to wait to be inside of a bar to chat up a chick that I like. That is exactly why I do not give a fuck about bars and would not give a shit if they all closed down tomorrow. Everything was just great for me in covid when all the bars were closed. I met chicks just the same.

It is not as easy as you make it out to be. Even the girls in the bars do not want to go with non-asians if they are cute or young. I saw a guy from Germany offer a girl 30,000 and she still refused him. Thailand is currently broken plain and simple. During the scamdemic they were literally starving so would go with you for a chance at food and some air-conditioning. Now the have an organized initiative in South East Asia to only offer the Caucasion tourists the bottom of the barrel. It is disturbing having disgusting old, fat women cat call you like they have a shot! A girl at massage place with a hairlip quoted me 5,000 baht for full service in house! Bangkok is offering up deformed, pregnant, deaf, and mentally handicapped women to foreigners and most now are condom crazy! Only the blowjob bars like Lolitas and Kasalong for 800 baht are places I can relax and go to knowing I will probably get good service but the quality of women is maybe one doable girl in the day and the rest hideous hags.

If you trust me, and you should after you have seen my abilities, and after I showed you the place in Bogota for all the women you want in 120 minutes for just $10. Avoid Thailand and spread the word. The country I am in now is significantly better and short time in a hotel is $15. PM me if you want details.

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