Jakarta

[SuperLove]

Bro I banged more than a dozen of them and with each took their respective nos. But the problem is either they don't respond to my messages or send me semi auto messages and makes you wonder if they are being handled by a male handler. Anyways there are too many chicks to be tried and tested at classic.

Oh sorry I misunderstood your question. I do have a cpl of them on WhatsApp but for the most part they are unresponsive. I know shentiya does answer me on WhatsApp tho and has even reached out asking me when I'm going to repeat with her lol. I'm not sure if they would be willing to meet outside of classic but idk why not. You would probably have to see the said girl inside classic first and then get her WhatsApp and if she is responsive to your messages then try to ask about that. I've never gone that route as I'm more of a numbers guy rather than a repeat guy. I've only been repeating with the one that acts like a girlfriend.

You should try that with some classic girls and see if you are successful and then report back about it. That would be interesting to see if it could be done and at what price point they would come to you outside of work hours.

Gabacho.

[Hung Man 1808]

Then sometime in early 2008, there was an HIV scare that went around. I believe it started with a lady working in Travel. Rumor was that it was a foreigner that infected her. Or at least they were blamed. Regardless, overnight the scene dramatically changed. Ladies there would not even look at a bule.

Bad bule! Bule bad! Yep, want a scapegoat, look for whitey. Skin colour of scapegoat may be subject to change without notice.

In 2009, at Bintang Mawar in Lokasari, I couldn't get any interest from mama or the girls. Till I spotted a girl I know from multiple venues and private visits. In the room, when asking why I was being ignored, she said Bule bring bombs. Ignore the bule, they go away, so do the bombings. There was a recent bombing, but it wasn't in Bali, or even remotely where a bule is likely to go. But yep, it was our fault. This is also the time when the only Bule I've ever seen in that area was in Stadium, and that was in the club only. I was in the area often.

I also asked her if locals used condoms. The answer? "Sometimes".

Considering there are only two venues and one area under discussion here, whilst other venues still active are ignored (even though gaining mention in very recent years), I'd expect Travel and Classic mania will die down one the reports start coming in of the ordinary experience. As these places were renowned for pre-covid. Not that anyone looks back far enough to note that. Guess you had to be there.

The lack of exploration outside of 1 square km of Jakarta, and two buildings there at that, will see Jakarta falls off the chatty forums due to having gone 'downhill'.

[Safado70]

What I really miss in Jakarta a good options for morning or early afternoon sex. TF in Pattaya gives you an abundance of opportunities for this. So far, I didn't have a lot of success with the online options in Jakarta. And not a single girl of the above mentioned venues would see me before her shift. The only chance to see these girls in my hotel room would be on their day off. Please don't think these girls get one day off per week. It's usually less. And a girl that only has two free days per month is not going to get up early just to meet a horny monger in his hotel room.

[NoGermaphobe]

It would be exceedingly rare and difficult, but not impossible to arrange visits to your hotel from a lady in Classic, Travel, KI, etc.

Those ladies are mostly all on contract and paying off debt for their brother's new ojek, their father's gambling debt, or furnishings for the house for the mother. Or the house itself back in the kampung. They live in a mes or dormitory with several other ladies. They are not slaves, but they are watched by a handler for their agent that loaned her family money, while they pay off their debt. They can't easily break away from the mes to spend an hour with you. They can leave to go get food, go shopping, etc. But not freelance.

A key question to ask the lady if this is something you want to arrange is if she stays in a mes or kos (apartment.) If she stays at the mes. You can mostly forget it. She would have to really know you and trust you and you would have to make it worth her while. But she is absolutely not going to come see you for the same price you get at Classic or even double that. Her coming to see you is always significantly more expensive than on site. Freelance booking out or voucher booking out from the venue is always just more expensive. If she has her own apartment, she is probably not on contract and can do whatever she wants. But you still wont get her to come for the standard on site price or a little more. I guess you could also ask her if she is on contract or not as that is mostly the determining factor. But you would probably do better to just pay the booking out price at that point, however many vouchers it is for the particular establishment.

I have only successfully arranged this once. But haven't put significant effort into it either. Pre Covid I had a regular lady from a Kelapa Gading establishment that would come visit me very early Saturday mornings when she told her handler she was going shopping. I paid her 2 million to come visit me. (Probably too much, but booking out in general is quite a bit more expensive than on site.) I almost always got two pops out of it though.

Another lady I knew from Travel had recently stopped working and still lived in Jakarta. I offered her 500 K to come see me and she asked for 1. 5 million. She was like. "Don't you know the booking out price?" We eventually agreed to 1 million and I paid for the Gojek car to and from my place. It was raining or I would have put her on an ojek. So the car itself was like 200K+ round trip. She was not close.

Oh sorry I misunderstood your question. I do have a cpl of them on WhatsApp but for the most part they are unresponsive. I know shentiya does answer me on WhatsApp tho and has even reached out asking me when I'm going to repeat with her lol. I'm not sure if they would be willing to meet outside of classic but idk why not. You would probably have to see the said girl inside classic first and then get her WhatsApp and if she is responsive to your messages then try to ask about that. I've never gone that route as I'm more of a numbers guy rather than a repeat guy. I've only been repeating with the one that acts like a girlfriend.

You should try that with some classic girls and see if you are successful and then report back about it. That would be interesting to see if it could be done and at what price point they would come to you outside of work hours.

Gabacho.

[Gabacho]

No bro, I meant outside at her normal price or a little more. Certainly not at 6-7 time. I rather go to emporium next door.

Oh sorry I misunderstood your question. I do have a cpl of them on WhatsApp but for the most part they are unresponsive. I know shentiya does answer me on WhatsApp tho and has even reached out asking me when I'm going to repeat with her lol. I'm not sure if they would be willing to meet outside of classic but idk why not. You would probably have to see the said girl inside classic first and then get her WhatsApp and if she is responsive to your messages then try to ask about that. I've never gone that route as I'm more of a numbers guy rather than a repeat guy. I've only been repeating with the one that acts like a girlfriend.

You should try that with some classic girls and see if you are successful and then report back about it. That would be interesting to see if it could be done and at what price point they would come to you outside of work hours.

Gabacho.

[Gabacho]

Hey G, how did you start building your civilians harem? Was someone from Lokasari first who referred more ladies to you? And do you place in Medellin or you just keep renting some place? Thanks.

It started from an indomaret parking lot attendant dude (the guys who wear blue vests) at an indomaret on mangga besar. He brought me a girl, then I exchanged WhatsApp numbers with her and she started bringing me girls. Then it kinda took different pathways thru the various girls, sometimes reaching a dead end sometimes branching off into plentiful rewards. I think they are actually semi-pro girls rather than actual civvies but they are definitely different than your regular lokasari girls.

And my place In Medellin is just a rental, I don't own it or anything. It's about $130 a month. I'll most likely be returning there sometime later this year. But then again I am currently in love with Jakarta.

Gabacho.

[SuperLove]

No bro, I meant outside at her normal price or a little more. Certainly not at 6-7 time. I rather go to emporium next door.

From what I understand from talking to the girls is that you can bring them home for an overnight session but it costs tuju (7) vouchers. So in other words 365 k X 7 = 2,555,000 rupiah for an overnight session.

[SuperLove]

I am very surprised you found emporium as average and 1001 just good enough. For me both these places are kick ass in terms of quality, one can complain about the service not the quality on display. You'll have a hard time in Jakarta going forward and going by your report you seem to be very choosy. I think (just my feel don't be upset) Jakarta is not for you unless you lower your standards, try Middle East or west central Asia or Russia. Better face features better body structure and quality, though service may vary. Jakarta seems to be working for those who prefer good service and also for those who are price sensitive for example classic. If your sole aim is quality then my best wishes to you.

For me Quality rating:

1001 - ten on ten.

Emporium. Eight or nine on ten.

Classic. Five or six on ten with the occasional gems who are seven to eight on ten.

Just my 2 cents.

Late last year report on Jarkarta.

Checked out 3 places, emporium, classic and 1001 pool.

Classic: Was really disappointed in this one because of how hyped it is. I spent all night in T2 checking the place out and did not find any ladies pretty enough to room with. I am by far a quality over quantity guy and because how cheap Jakarta is for this hobby, even the quality options would be considered the budget options in other countries. It was also way too smoky and the mamasans are way too aggressive, giving you little freedom of movement and choice until you put your foot down.

Emporium: Half the price of 1001 pool as you get both the pool experience and bedroom experience for a single price. However the choices of ladies left much to be desired. I came in with only a dozen ladies available for selection and none of them were worth taking. I left disappointed.

[Boris1047]

Yea I requested to have that post deleted. I was half drunk when I wrote. It and didn't even realize that I missed the tattoo. However I did redact the eyes which is a lot more than some other posters who post pictures here do.

Hey G, how did you start building your civilians harem? Was someone from Lokasari first who referred more ladies to you? And do you place in Medellin or you just keep renting some place? Thanks.

[XXL]

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As a sidenote, girls in Jakarta look really young and I find it problematic. I am not interested in teenagers and would like my options to be solidly 20 years old and above.

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Teenagers are much rarer than you think. Mamasans and girls lie about ages (especially to Westerners?). One mamasan at Classic's brought me a girl claiming she had no children and was "lima belas tahun!". No way she was that young by a long shot. I pride myself on being aware of poor age discrimination when it comes to Asian women, but I have been wrong quite often in Jakarta, thinking I had a late teen girl when in fact I had one in her late twenties.

[Gabacho]

Too bad if some lame mongers decide not to believe you, their bad as can't Up their game. Nice find nice job gabacho, remember for every hardworking MF there are 5 others waiting to pull him down, its human nature. So move on, keep writing, I am glad you posted some photos, is it possible to bring these home for an outdoor session.

From what I understand from talking to the girls is that you can bring them home for an overnight session but it costs tuju (7) vouchers. So in other words 365 k X 7 = 2,555,000 rupiah for an overnight session.

[Gabacho]

Hi Gabacho, I really appreciate your reports and I'm looking forward to see you next month in Jakarta. But I think it's a bad idea to post pictures of girls from classic mentioning specific services you got from them. It is very likely that some idiot will take these screenshots to a mammy, ask for this girl and later complain if he didn't get the same service. This could make life very difficult for all us bules who frequent classic. You redacted the photos but the girls are still easy to recognise, especially for someone who frequents classic. In one case you even forgot to blur the tattoo.

Yea I requested to have that post deleted. I was half drunk when I wrote. It and didn't even realize that I missed the tattoo. However I did redact the eyes which is a lot more than some other posters who post pictures here do.

[Lumens]

"I wonder why that is?" My take. Having lurked on local Indonesian boards like Kaskus when researching venues like Royal (aka Train Tracks), my observation for the reason locals don't speak up (or blab, humblebrag, etc) is targeted social pressure from the moderators. Whilst everybody has a good sense that every last provider is going to provide BBFS in Royal, there were always lots of tut-tutting in big bold letters from moderators and veterans to "play it safe". So there was rarely a field report that openly gave away the full situation. We all know the gap between what the locals are saying and what they are actually doing, and indeed it takes a lot to get them to admit all of the non-conforming activities that they are really doing. Lastly, I observed that many of the brothers would actually meet each other IRL and monger together, especially newbies who wanted a little hand holding, so more social pressure to appear like one is conforming to the expected norms. What happened in the privacy of the fuck boxes was possibly a different matter entirely. This is just my observation and opinion.

I agree that there is much to be learned from Asians and how they comport themselves in illicit matters. This was most evident to me when I partied with a group of Japanese colleagues. We had a night of complete debauchery and then when meetings started the following morning it was like nothing happened. Asians culturally know how to keep things on separate ledgers. It is impressive at times. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

Jakarta blowing up as a mongering destination and the concerns about BB / expectations are two different issues.

I did not come to Jakarta to monger but did end up here for a big chunk of time for other reasons. I have also spent time in Bangkok. I admit I have never been to the Philippines or Colombia. That said Jakarta is a great place to live and a shitty place to visit. If you want to make friends, get into the fascinating rich culture long term and even start a family this is a great place with truly lovely caring people. But as a tourist destination it's pretty awful. Ironically I think Jakarta would have to offer more than just mongering for it to be a mongering destination with plane tickets between 1800 - 3500 usd depending on which western country you are coming from. Thailand has semi officially built a big component of it economy around being a mongering destination, the Philippines used to be home to the America's largest naval base. Jakarta will forever be the stinky polluted fucked up layover city to Bali. Bali is where the the serious pros go who think of it as serious business. I can vouch for prices there and service expectation being way out of alignment compared to Jakarta. Also, its not that difficult to get BB in Bangkok. Although I think there are some readers on this forum from Asian countries I think most of them get their info from about Jakarta from other places. A lot of them are on a whole different system. Many Asian mongers are in Jakarta for "golf" and have a whole mongering MO centered around that which never comes up on this particular forum. There are tons of golf clubs around Jakarta just for them with sexy female caddies in tight pants. They often go to the same clubs we do afterwards. If anyone is going ruin mongering in Jakarta its going to be them as enough of them have a shit ton of money to blow with very low expectations for service. RE: my one recent visit to Malio club. I've seen them in Bangkok and read about them in the Philippines too.

As far as BBF, I will admit, with the exception of seeking girls, I only learned that the "forbidden" sex was an option in Jakarta from reading this forum. Although BB is occasionally openly discussed on forums for cities back in my home country it never occurred to me that it was an option I could try or be comfortable with until I starting reading about it here. I am of the generation that had the aids fear implanted into them. Herpes is another scarry one. The first few months I was in Jakarta there were a few older touring pros I met via twitter that did not even have condoms, but I did. With seeking in Jakarta it seems to be internationally understood you are paying for BB but that the girls are safer. Over time I started quasi friendships with the repeat ladies I would meet at the clubs and if over time I felt they were less risky I would give it a shot. When I am actually using my brain I know its probably just as risky whether I know the club girls favorite lipstick color or not, this board just normalizes it. I think you may be right that there should be a lot more discretion about this. But I don't think its because talking about it will attract more mongers to Jakarta and ruin the scene for the rest of us. I didn't know BB was common in Columbia. I do know from reading other forums where BB is not mentioned at all that there is a consensus that the scene is going down hill there. But I thought it was because of stupid passport bro videos, where BB is not discussed, and that most dudes really love big butts.

[Amadeuss]

Spot on. Sex tourists were, and still are today, a mere fraction of the scene in Indonesia. Indonesia has always been off the radar compared to Thailand and other majors. What was significant in Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines and some others is that the forienger-centric venues were decimated by government clean-up campaigns and NGO-fueled shut downs. Now it is all a shadow, so it is what it is.

What makes Indonesia mongering unique in Asia is the acceptance of foriengers in venues that were built for locals and generally dominated by locals. Blok M venues collapsed with Covid and the die-off of Oil & Gas geezers. Venues that are long gone (Stadium, Today Country (aka Tiara Ceria), Royal as well as the remainder (Travel, Classic, Kota Indah bars, etc) have always entertained the long noses with amazing open arms and equality. Mami will point that green laser for the local as much as they do for the foreigner, as long as they are paying and not playing. And never ever have I experienced any issue with locals in these venues. Now imagine mapping the Thailand situation where you have tour buses of zero-dollar Chinese together with more busloads of thirsty AF Indians filling the parking lot of Travel. My number one motto is to Enjoy It While It Lasts. Suggest the same to others. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

A very balanced sum up! The old days of Tiaria Ceria were unique and never come back. The big brothel towns closed down all over the country. But the remaining events are still excellent for the few bule to come and enjoy as long as they blend in.

[Asian Rain]

Yes, 20 years ago the scene was larger. Not so much better on a venue-for-venue basis, but larger. 60% of the venues are no more. I don't think this happened because of spoilage by sex tourists. It was caused by repeated crack-downs carried out under the banner of the war on drugs. Stadium was closed after a drug squad undercover cop (!!) died of an overdose inside Stadium. A couple of years before that one Stadium girl told me: "people high up in the government know about what is going on in Stadium and they want to close the place". Was that girl exaggerating in supposing the Indonesian government hadn't other fishes to fry than disco brothel Stadium? Maybe not, especially since a female (Megawati Sukarnoputri) was head of State between 2001 and 2004, when things began slowly to go downhill.

The reason the Jakarta scene is still so good in spite of it having shrunk to 40% its former size is that it was so large in the first place. It went down from a sky-high baseline and there's still enough left of it for it to look great compared to other places in SEA.

Spot on. Sex tourists were, and still are today, a mere fraction of the scene in Indonesia. Indonesia has always been off the radar compared to Thailand and other majors. What was significant in Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines and some others is that the foreigner-centric venues were decimated by government clean-up campaigns and NGO-fueled shut downs. Now it is all a shadow, so it is what it is.

What makes Indonesia mongering unique in Asia is the acceptance of foreigners in venues that were built for locals and generally dominated by locals. Blok M venues collapsed with Covid and the die-off of Oil & Gas geezers. Venues that are long gone (Stadium, Today Country (aka Tiara Ceria), Royal as well as the remainder (Travel, Classic, Kota Indah bars, etc) have always entertained the long noses with amazing open arms and equality. Mami will point that green laser for the local as much as they do for the foreigner, as long as they are paying and not playing. And never ever have I experienced any issue with locals in these venues. Now imagine mapping the Thailand situation where you have tour buses of zero-dollar Chinese together with more busloads of thirsty AF Indians filling the parking lot of Travel. My number one motto is to Enjoy It While It Lasts. Suggest the same to others. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.