American Politics

[Spidy]

Then you turn right around support a guy and all his enablers who does exactly that (and more). How is that standing up for responsibility and opposing hate? Explain that. Still waiting. You can't explain it and constantly try to change the subject and muddy the waters. Because in your deepest, private moments of clarity you know it's deranged. It's mental defect. It's wrong. And it's criminal! Exactly what America gave back to the world. A disgusting preview of the fall of American democracy unless those of us of sound body, mind, and alacrity for the political fight can grab the ring back again. I'm not about to go around and around and around with you people. You have Tooms and Spidy for that. I don't know how they do it, but God bless them!

Thanks very much for saying so!

But, The Cane, you do realize, your debate contributions to "Am. Pol. " are always timely and much welcomed, especially when it comes time to, "...fight the good fight".

I do appreciate the high praise, coming from a long-time OG ISG mongerer such as yourself! As I'm sure EihTooms does too!

In fact, I want the time it took me to write this back!

While I get your drift...unfortunately that's not how things work! "(...kkkk!)".

And I want you to explain yourselves in a logical and rational manner. I challenge you.

You'd have better luck, "parting the Red Sea", than making sense out of the gish gallop gibberish, that comes out of the MAGA mouths, of the likes of Elvis 2008.

But's here's to you, for daring "to challenge", the "Red Lobster, all-you-can-eat" bankruptcy debate king!

[The Cane]

Thank you for trying to at least explain your point in good faith. I will show you the same respect.

You need to reread the original post which you did not take the time to do and you chymed in with some harsh criticism. I am going to assume you just don't fully understand the debate I have been having with Spidy man. In the original post I state that "Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and his supporters would still back him as long as he is making them money. It is sad, but true". I didn't say I support that statement. I was making an observation on Trump's core base of supporters, which I am not apart of. I also meant it as a figure of speech. Only biased individuals who are overly sensitive would take that statement literal and not understand its' intent. I even state with the original statement that I find it sad that his supporters are so blindly loyal. I base this on the multitude of controversies surrounding Trump including Epstein Island, Trump University, Pussy Grabber, Sexual Harrassment lawsuit, the list could on. Hopefully you get the point. Trump has been through so many scandals and his supporters are still there, this shows they are going to back him no matter what..

First of all you said "don't take shots", then you start taking shots. I don't need "help", and I do understand what's going on. I'm an educated man who understands matters of speech. But apparently you don't understand them because I was referencing "getting away with murder" to emphasize my point. So you criticize me for not getting it when you demonstrate you don't get it yourself LMAO! Second, I didn't say you personally were a hardcore Trumpster, but with your words you seem to excuse their behavior, which I find to be objectionable. And third, still you refuse to answer the core question I asked? Who is it in fact who is "deranged"? Why isn't it those who blindly follow Trump no matter what, even after all of his scandals (you mentioned only a few), and his trampling upon the Constitution? Blind loyalty, no matter what. Isn't that a deranged mentality? And when the nation's democracy is at stake (yes I believe that), then what to do about it? Because to simply say "it's sad" and leave it at that is unacceptable. This is some serious shit! Donald Trump is one of the most divisive figures in the entire history of the country because of his behavior before and during in the White House, who around 40% of the people are willing to blindly follow right down the shitter. And you sir are also an enabler if all you have to offer is a "sad but true". Those who live in reality know freedom isn't free. Which means we must fight the authoritarian right to the end!

[Spidy]

Your own words explain just how deranged the MAGA backers are. You said it yourself. Trump could kill a man in cold blood, and still his supporters will stand behind him. If his detractors point out that he just killed a man, the Trumpsters would whine "Trump Derangement Syndrome".But I ask you. Who are the ones who are really deranged then? If you think it's Trump's detractors, then no it's you who needs to do the explaining. Try to make sense out of what makes no sense to a rational human being. Nothing about it is rational. I say again. The ones with the TDS are those who would look past the killing of a man to stick with Trump. Forget the Constitution and other laws. We'll stick with Trump because that makes us "feel good" about ourselves, even if he's a murderer. Explain why that isn't deranged thinking pray tell!

You are EXACTLY right!

This is exactly the kind of cognitive dissonance "blanket", that QAnon/MAGA/Repubs, wrap themselves in and then turn into hypocrites about FREE SPEECH!

[RamDavidson84]

Your own words explain just how deranged the MAGA backers are. You said it yourself. Trump could kill a man in cold blood, and still his supporters will stand behind him. If his detractors point out that he just killed a man, the Trumpsters would whine "Trump Derangement Syndrome". But I ask you. Who are the ones who are really deranged then? If you think it's Trump's detractors, then no it's you who needs to do the explaining. Try to make sense out of what makes no sense to a rational human being. Nothing about it is rational. I say again. The ones with the TDS are those who would look past the killing of a man to stick with Trump. Forget the Constitution and other laws. We'll stick with Trump because that makes us "feel good" about ourselves, even if he's a murderer. Explain why that isn't deranged thinking pray tell!

Thank you for trying to at least explain your point in good faith. I will show you the same respect.

You need to reread the original post which you did not take the time to do and you chymed in with some harsh criticism. I am going to assume you just don't fully understand the debate I have been having with Spidy man. In the original post I state that "Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and his supporters would still back him as long as he is making them money. It is sad, but true". I didn't say I support that statement. I was making an observation on Trump's core base of supporters, which I am not apart of. I also meant it as a figure of speech. Only biased individuals who are overly sensitive would take that statement literal and not understand its' intent. I even state with the original statement that I find it sad that his supporters are so blindly loyal. I base this on the multitude of controversies surrounding Trump including Epstein Island, Trump University, Pussy Grabber, Sexual Harrassment lawsuit, the list could on. Hopefully you get the point. Trump has been through so many scandals and his supporters are still there, this shows they are going to back him no matter what. That is why I made the statement that I did. I was being critical of his base.

Hopefully you realize my intent and come to the conclusion that anyone who takes offense to that over victims of gun violence or the second amendment is some one who is way too overly sensitive. If you read my original statement and your reaction is how could Ram state that on a public online sex tourism forum, he is inconsiderate to victims of gun violence, then my opinion is your not thinking clearly and you should really seek help. It is not healthy to go through life and be so sensitive to things and always try to make yourself feel offended and angry.

I also believe it is morally wrong to constantly try to villify and shame people without a valid reason. Wrongly and constantly shaming people is what created this blindly loyal base to Trump in the first place. I don't what else to say. If you still don't understand what is going on here then god bless you and may he have mercy your soul LOL.

Nothing in my post has anything to do with real violence. It is a figure of speech. It is first amendment protected and I am not a public figure. I am some random guy on a forum. Should we really not speak out on the problems we see in society? Should we silently watch as Trump supporters look away again and again as he is involved in scandal after scandal.

[EihTooms]

Yes, let's start firing so-called presidents for getting low ratings:

Trump's Approval Rating Hits New Second-Term Low: Poll
Sept. 16, 2025

https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-appr...w-poll-2130955

The overall drop in approval, driven in part by declines among independents, Hispanics and weak marks on key issues like the economy and immigration, could constrain the administration politically and shape the dynamics of the 2026 midterm elections.
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The poll finds Trump's approval rating is also underwater on key issues including jobs and the economy, inflation and prices, immigration, civil rights, crime and guns.

[The Cane]

And you are the one calling MAGA people delusional? Nah, we are sick of the lying and the complete lack of responsibility for the hate speech.

Then you turn right around support a guy and all his enablers who does exactly that (and more). How is that standing up for responsibility and opposing hate? Explain that. Still waiting. You can't explain it and constantly try to change the subject and muddy the waters. Because in your deepest, private moments of clarity you know it's deranged. It's mental defect. It's wrong. And it's criminal! Exactly what America gave back to the world. A disgusting preview of the fall of American democracy unless those of us of sound body, mind, and alacrity for the political fight can grab the ring back again. I'm not about to go around and around and around with you people. You have Tooms and Spidy for that. I don't know how they do it, but God bless them! In fact, I want the time it took me to write this back! And I want you to explain yourselves in a logical and rational manner. I challenge you.

[EihTooms]

As everyone knows and as the blatantly obvious results show, not one typically Blue-ish state flipped to Trump in 2024 due to Latinos, young people and Black Men choosing Trump over Harris on any issue constantly harped on by Repubs and their perennial benefactors in Mainstream Media.

No, instead the winner of the 2024 presidential election was determined in only 3 swing states, yes typically Blue-ish, but not because any of those above-mentioned demographics turned out to vote for Trump or against Harris because of the economy, inflation, immigration, crime, non-existent "woke-ism", pronouns or trannies.

We know that because there was no particularly notable push to motivate and mobilize any of those demographics on any of those issues in the only three swing states that mattered and that ultimately did determine the winner and instead it was due to a particular motivation and mobilization of one particular demographic on one particular issue that was just enough to swing less than 0. 75 of a single percentage point from Harris to Trump across all of those three swing states and hand him the win.

Consequently, a swing of less than 115,000 Muslim votes out of the hundreds of thousands of that demographic's votes across those three swing states, PA, MI and WI, was all it took to produce a horrible so-called president Trump instead of a far superior potential President Harris.

The issue that motivated and mobilized that particular demographic on that one particular issue was that angry Muslim Community leaders in those three swing states wanted to punish the Biden Administration for supporting Israel in the Israel / Palestine Conflict, which they extrapolated to supporting Netanyahu, who they hated.

They targeted no other Blue-ish states for this push because they knew those three swing states held the key to handing the presidency to Trump just by concentrating on their Community's voters' swinging their votes from Harris to Trump.

They were right.

No other Blue-ish states were so targeted by those Muslim Community leaders, which is precisely why no other Blue states flipped to Trump due to any other demographics' votes based on any other issue.

Regardless, the Latinos who didn't bother to vote in 2024 and therefore FAFO what a 2nd Repub MAGA Trump so-called presidency might provide, are truly sorry they allowed themselves to be bamboozled by pro-Repub "bothsider / neithersiders" into falling for the crock of bullshit that it doesn't matter all that much who is President so they might as well not bother to vote for the Dems they usually vote for. Lolol.

Oh well.

High prices and health care costs may turn Latino voters away from Republicans in 2026.

https://www.npr.org/2025/08/13/nx-s1...-2026-midterms

According to Equis Research, a Latino polling organization, about a third of Latinos who supported Trump last year "are not set on voting for a Republican" during next year's midterms.
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"Republicans have failed to deliver on a lot of their campaign promises, particularly around lowering the cost of living," she said. "And if they want to retain any gains they may have made among Latino voters, they need to be sure to deliver on the promises they made that maybe gave them some additional support in the last election."
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Melissa Morales, the founder and president of Somos Votantes and Somos PAC, a left-leaning Latino voter mobilization organization, said her group's polling has found that pessimism about the economy among Latino voters since Trump took office is only growing at this point.

"The longer Trump is in office, the more frustrated Latino voters are becoming with his economic policies," Morales said. "And it's becoming a pretty huge liability for him."

It's also a huge liability for the Republican Party, in general. Control of Congress is at stake during next year's midterm elections. The GOP currently has a very narrow majority in the House and the Senate is potentially up for grabs, too. Many of the competitive races across the country are in areas with significant Latino populations.
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A majority of voters (56%) also reported feeling that the economy was only getting worse under Trump.

There is also evidence that Trump's tariff strategy has only increased prices for consumers as they go into effect, which Garza admits could be an issue for conservatives.

"There is a concern that there is a lag on inflation when it comes to the spike in tariffs. Because in the end, the consumer's going to pay for the tariffs," he said. "We're going to be watching that."

This was a month ago, before worse jobs and inflation numbers were reported. And before Black Men were witness to Trump and his fellow Repub MAGAs celebrating and glorifying the racist sentiment legacy of the tragically shot and killed by another Repub MAGA, Charlie Kirk.

Therefore, hopefully the Repub MAGAs will continue to deify Charlie Kirk and his racist sentiments and drive more and more Black Men further and further away from Repub MAGA Fascism along the way right up to the midterm elections and every election after that in the foreseeable future.

[Elvis 2008]

Trumpsters are so deranged and delusional that instead of being able to see and acknowledge the truth, instead they label those who call out Trump for his MAGA transgressions as being the ones who are deranged. MAGA is deeply deranged in the membrane! Insane in the membrane!

Yeah, sorry, Cane, you said there was no way Trump was going to win in 2024 right? You were getting somewhere where you were discussing the issues and now you go right back to the team sport analogies. Yes, Trumpsters, which is about half the population, are crazy and delusional. Really?

You tell me who is delusional. You have Spidy and Tooms saying how great the economy was under Biden. You have me saying that under the Biden economy if you were a home owner, you did great. If you were looking to buy a home, then the Biden economy sucked ass. Did you consider this when you made your prediction?

And the election really changed with a few groups changing voting. The big three were Latinos, young people, and black men. And the delusional Loony Tooms comes up with this crazy Muslim crap.

Before he was killed, Chalie Kirk was on Tucker Carlson and he addressed this very issue and he insisted that home ownership and the prosperity of the young was critical to winning future votes. What bugs me so much is that people focused on what Charlie Kirk said but they ignore the fact that he actually listened to the plight of others.

This is the video of the Texas Tech student who was arrested, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lpZEGsOi1U

And this black girl is how all you Democrats look to us. This black girl is accusing someone of having different political views of being racist and sexist. She then goes and makes a physical confrontation and tips his cap off.

Can you imagine if I did that with a black belt or power lifter? I would expect to have my ass kicked if I did that, but she feels so empowered that this guy won't beat the fuck out of her, and I would go as far as to say she deserves it after her actions. She is literally celebrating a political assassination.

And then there is another black guy who goes to a Charlie Kirk memorial and taunts the death of Kirk.

When you call MAGA people delusional, you look like this black man and woman celebrating Kirk's death. Is that what you want?

I hate the fact that Jimmy Kimmel got cancelled for what he said, but if you are going to cancel people for making racist and sexist comments, you cannot let a statement like this go.

On Monday Kimmel's troubles began when he mused that the "MAGA gang" was "desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them. ".

And you are the one calling MAGA people delusional? Nah, we are sick of the lying and the complete lack of responsibility for the hate speech.

[FFlintstone69]

Its about time this happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSsgVTMzGFQ

Indict George Soros for funding domestic terrorism.

[EihTooms]

Imagine if Joe Biden had falsely claimed to have stopped a war between two countries but could not accurately name either one of them.

Which he never did:

Trump touts his peace deal between Aberbaijan and Albania getting both countries names wrong.
Er Albania, I mean...., President Trump said, while referring to the decades-long conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
Aug. 21, 2025

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2811556.html

Now, imagine if he did it multiple times:

Trump, 79, Confused Over Which Countrys War He Solved.
Sept. 18, 2025

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-79-c...BaEvSqCX5GQcgc

"I think that we settled Aber-baijan and Albania, Trump said during a joint press conference with UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer.
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"If Biden made a gaffe this egregious and embarrassing, it would be front-page news in the New York Times. But now its just Trump being Trump! journalist Aaron Rupar wrote on X.

He should pressure Armenia to change its name to Albania, quipped another social media user.

That must have been a fully researched and intense Peace Negotiation between Trump those two countries Trump doesn't even know the names of or which countries they are. Or maybe it was just a meeting to iron out some deal where one or both of those countries get a huge American tax-payer funds donation in exchange for putting the word "Trump" on a building somebody else designed and built in their countries.

[EihTooms]

Its about time this happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSsgVTMzGFQ

Where does this supposed "AnTIfa" or is it "Anti-FA" group as those Fux News Loons can't seem to decide what they are called gather for their meetings to plan their anti-Fascist attacks on Fascists facilitating Fascism, distribute their George Soros checks and so on? By now the highly detail-oriented FBI Director must have a handle on that.

One Fux News Loon says they, whoever they are, always wear black, presumably the uniform of this supposed "anTIfa" or is it "anti-FA" group but then shows a video of various and disparate individuals wearing white, red, black, blue, other colors standing on and around a car fire, tossing paper, bricks or whatever at it.

Should I stop wearing my black t-shirts and black polo-type shirts like I see 75% of the men and women of the world wearing on a night out to dinner and a movie, a bar hop or a day at the park? I mean, just so I don't get rounded up by that highly detail-oriented FBI Director's goons for not being in favor of Trumpian Fascism. And where the hell are my George Soros checks?

[The Cane]

What is the truth cane LOL? Explain how when I state, "Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and his supporters would still support him as long as he is making money. Which is sad but true. " that could some how offend some one who has suffered from gun violence or has anything to do with the second amendment? Beyond stupid. It is clearly to show Trump supporters have strong unwavering support for him. I even state how it is sad but true.

Just explain, don't take shots and criticize. Explain it, please.

By your logic, we cannot reference murder or guns in speech any more because it would be too offensive to people who have been victims of gun violence. LOL, I can't believe we are debating this, but again, many cases of Snowflake Trump Derangement syndrome.

Your own words explain just how deranged the MAGA backers are. You said it yourself. Trump could kill a man in cold blood, and still his supporters will stand behind him. If his detractors point out that he just killed a man, the Trumpsters would whine "Trump Derangement Syndrome". But I ask you. Who are the ones who are really deranged then? If you think it's Trump's detractors, then no it's you who needs to do the explaining. Try to make sense out of what makes no sense to a rational human being. Nothing about it is rational. I say again. The ones with the TDS are those who would look past the killing of a man to stick with Trump. Forget the Constitution and other laws. We'll stick with Trump because that makes us "feel good" about ourselves, even if he's a murderer. Explain why that isn't deranged thinking pray tell!

[RamDavidson84]

Its about time this happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSsgVTMzGFQ

[RamDavidson84]

Trumpsters are so deranged and delusional that instead of being able to see and acknowledge the truth, instead they label those who call out Trump for his MAGA transgressions as being the ones who are deranged. MAGA is deeply deranged in the membrane! Insane in the membrane!

What is the truth cane LOL? Explain how when I state, "Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and his supporters would still support him as long as he is making money. Which is sad but true. " that could some how offend some one who has suffered from gun violence or has anything to do with the second amendment? Beyond stupid. It is clearly to show Trump supporters have strong unwavering support for him. I even state how it is sad but true.

Just explain, don't take shots and criticize. Explain it, please.

By your logic, we cannot reference murder or guns in speech any more because it would be too offensive to people who have been victims of gun violence. LOL, I can't believe we are debating this, but again, many cases of Snowflake Trump Derangement syndrome.

[RamDavidson84]

If you can't see the cognitive dissonance connection and similarities between you and your Fuhrer's inflammatory violent political hate speech, I can't help you. But don't worry I'm sure it'll sink in down the road.

Dude, ...REALLY, it's okay to admit, you have no idea, what it means to be in a state of cognitive dissonance! Not to worry, as you're NOT the first and you won't be the last, to NOT understand cognitive dissonance!.

Shocker LOL! You didn't explain a thing and are only going to stick with cognitive dissonance. It is beyond pathetic we are still are on this, but ok we will will keep going.

If Trump said something that is hate speech, that is on him. I have done no such thing. I simply pointed out that Trump is immensely popular with his supporters to the point he could kill some one publicly on the White House lawn and people would still support him. Relax, I know you Trump Derangement is taking control of you because you cannot control your emotions. I have good news for you. Just because I stated the obvious, that Trump is popular, does not mean he is going to kill anyone. In fact Spidy, I am fairly certain Trump will never even read this. So ease your heart my little friend. I also have good news for you. Trump's supporters will read that if they are on this forum, and completely understand it was a statement to show Trump's base loves him and they are endeared to him to a degree they will still accept him even if he commits criminal acts. They will not start killing people on the White House lawn like you are trying to imply LOL.

Just please, explain how you think people who have lost loved ones to murder might be offended by what I have written. Just explain it. No cognitive dissonance bullshit. Actually explain how some one could be offended by what I have written or what I have written has anything to do with gun violence or the second amendment LOL. This is so fucking stupid, but also hysterical LOL.

Explain, please.