American Politics

**Sirioja** · 04-02-26 07:28

What a senile night talk to fuck deeper Americans. Many billions spent. Already 13 deaths and many injured. Time to fire the crazy in November, when lying for peace and failing for MAGA, other than trying robbery.

**Sirioja** · 04-02-26 07:22

Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]

Just the FACTS please!

Yes you are correct about emissions by China today and for the last couple of decades, but look beyond the last couple of decades, at the cumulative emissions total, and you'll see it is America and Europe still in the lead.

FACTS: The two (2) biggest cumulative CO2 emissions polluters, are USA (America) in first place, with 434.87 billion tons of CO2/GHG, and then then Europe at 300.9 bn tons. In third place China at 285.09 bn tons. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/c...e-co-emissions.

But pollution increased a lot since about 40 years, because of China, now Trump claiming he doesn't care about pollution and India growing much too much. Millions of people die from pollution. Pollution made by China is above our head daily.

**Spidy** · 04-01-26 22:53

Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]

You can't step into a magic time machine, go back, wave a magic wand, and presto change o, America's historical CO2 emissions are lower than China's.
...

One side effect, by the mid 2000's carbon emissions from China surpassed the USA's.

Courtesy of ChatGPT:

Currently Chinese carbon emissions are about 2.8 X higher than the USA's. ... 55% to 60% of China's total energy consumption comes from coal, and 60% to 65% of its electricity generation is from coal. For comparison, coal provides about 10% of total USA Energy and 15% to 16% of USA Electricity.
...
The simple fact is that the so-called "petrostate" has greatly reduced carbon emissions since 2000. And during that same time, the electrostate's carbon emissions have increased by about 3.5X.

While I'm not disputing your ChatGOP "cut-and-paste" factoid hockey assist (although I would like to see for myself, the links associated with the facts and data), allow me to provide a little context of my own, with regards to China's rise in emissions, circa 2000.

A Little Chinese Emissions (circa 2000) History of My Own: (hockey assist and link, courtesy of Google search).

Your historical account of China overtaking the U.S. in emissions circa 2000, is correct. However, it does deserves just a little context, I'm sure you'll appreciate.

So while you (or is it ChatGOP?) like to post, pontificating and waxing lyrical about the carbon economy's "what-ifs" and "magic wands", although entertaining (courtesy of ChatGOP?) you should do well to remember, it was about the same time, circa 2000, when China also became "The World's Manufacturer", as American, European and the rest of the industrial and manufacturing world, often sought the lowest cost of labor, production and manufacturing, which more often than not, was China.

So as the rest of the world, was outsourcing large portions of their industry and manufacturing to China (and Asia), they were also outsourcing a rather large portion their factories CO2 emissions, as well. Somewhat I would imagine, to China's chagrin, some years later, when huge smog and high CO2 levels, engulfed parts of the country.

Charted: Chinas Rise to Manufacturing Dominance Over 30 Years, December 9, 2024 https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cha...over-30-years/.

Bottom Line w/r to China Circa 2000: So when you're a country that started at 6% (circa 2000) and now produces, close to 30% of the world's manufacturing (with market share projected to rise to 45% by 2030), as the rest of the world's manufacturing falls (and America is projected to fall from 25% (circa 2000) to 11%), then it should be obvious to anyone, YOU'RE going to BURN LIKE 2.8x to 3.5x TIMES MORE COAL (which was the country's most available fuel source), than the next guy, to produce 30-45% the world's goods.

**Spidy** · 04-01-26 22:01

Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]

You can't step into a magic time machine, go back, wave a magic wand, and presto change o, America's historical CO2 emissions are lower than China's.
...

The USA surpassed China in carbon emissions during the Second Industrial Revolution, in the late 1880's. The modern economy we have now was built on the back of fossil fuels.

Courtesy of ChatGPT:

Currently Chinese carbon emissions are about 2.8 X higher than the USA's..

Your history lesson on China vs. USA Emissions is hilarious, but lets stick to the emissions FACTS, shall we!

Our World in Data: Cumulative CO2 emissions: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/c...e-co-emissions November 13,2025. (Note: LINK, DATA and FACTS, courtesy of Google search, because quite frankly, I trust very little that comes outta MAGA or ChatGOP without links for context!).

As of November 13,2025, Our World in Data, reports that the country with the largest cumulative emissions (CO2 and GHG) in history, since the first year of recording, is the USA (America) in first place, with 434.87 billion tons of CO2/GHG, Europe at 300.9 bn tons and third place China at 285.09 bn tons.

No "what-ifs", "no magic wand" and no MAGA voodoo spin. Just the FACTS, since they began recording emissions data. Period!

The Emissions Bottom Line:

While fossil fuels aren't exactly in favor and by some accounts are plateauing or trending down, many emerging markets / countries, such as Africa, Asia, Indonesia, the Middle-East and Latin America, are siting on huge coal reserves, gas reserves, oil reserves and are looking around at the two (2) biggest cumulative CO2 emissions polluters over the last 125+ years, in America and Europe, that have industrialized and driven their economies burning fossil fuels and are wondering, why can't we do the same, at our discretion?

I'm pretty sure China, asked that very same question, as they began in earnest, industrializing their economies, as they do today with regards to transitioning to greener and cleaner energy.

P.S: Hey, I'm sure your MAGA Fuhrer would be proud, that America is still #1 and the biggest C02/ GHG emissions polluter in history!

**Spidy** · 04-01-26 21:49

Originally Posted by Sirioja [View Original Post]

China make 30% of pollution on our planet and USA are second for pollution, polluting about double per citizen than Europeans.

Just the FACTS please!

Yes you are correct about emissions by China today and for the last couple of decades, but look beyond the last couple of decades, at the cumulative emissions total, and you'll see it is America and Europe still in the lead.

FACTS: The two (2) biggest cumulative CO2 emissions polluters, are USA (America) in first place, with 434.87 billion tons of CO2/GHG, and then then Europe at 300.9 bn tons. In third place China at 285.09 bn tons. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/c...e-co-emissions.

**EihTooms** · 04-01-26 20:03

Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]

The politicians in Washington, Democrat and Republican, mostly make our lives worse. We pay taxes out the ass and get very little in return. And they've still managed to run up a national debt (net) of over $30 trillion. They get us into wars.

My state, city and state governments on the other hand do a great job, and provide value for the taxes we pay. For me, they're all run by Republicans. Of course it could be different elsewhere. But given how many people are leaving blue states and blue cities, I suspect not.

Was your city and state immune to and miraculously thrived during The Great Repub Hoover Depression, The Great Repub Reagan Recession, The Great Repub GW Bush Recession, The Muliple Ordinary Repub Recessions and pathetic job growth under Repub Eisenhower, Repub Nixon, Repub Ford, Repub GHW Bush and that bonus one under Repub GW Bush, The Great Repub Trump's Pandemic, the skyrocketing Repub unemployment rates and the millions of jobs wiped out as the result of them? Did they also dodge Repub Eisenhower's Vietnam War, Repub GW Bush's War in Iraq, Repub GW Bush's War in Afghanistan and doing just fine now with Repub Trump's War in Iran? Are you folks still paying Repub Trump's imaginary $1. 99 per gallon for regular gas over there in Hootervile?

Sounds like you live in one of those Red Cities in Red States that Dem Presidents and Dem Congresses gift with extra emergency welfare and economic stimulus during times of inevitable Repub economic and National Security catastrophe. I mean in addition to the half-dozen or so Blue States carrying the load for deadbeat Red States even during normal times.

What Republicans Dont Want To Say: Blue States Are the Ones Bailing Out Red States

https://time.com/7222411/blue-states...ut-red-states/

The red state denial of fiscal responsibility is manifest today as misguided voices champion the economic virtues of red states. For instance, President Donald Trump and the GOP have threatened to block disaster relief for Californian wildfires, to obstruct the return of federal relief for state and local tax payments, and to roll back the massive industrial investments from Biden-era legislation. Now, as GOP leaders in both chambers advance their budget proposals, Republicans are pursuing other politically punitive budget measures before the March 14 debt funding deadline.

However, blue states would do well to remember that it is they who are picking up the bill for red states. Before Republicans start criticizing Democrats about their dependence on federal dollars, a quick review of the facts may be warranted. For instance, while federal dollars to New York represented 38% of its state budget in 2022, Texas received the same proportion, and Florida received even more (40%). Similarly, much attention from the GOP is given to Medicaid funding in blue states such as Illinois, but they conveniently ignore the fact that Texas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, and West Virginia, among other red states, see a greater share of the cost of their traditional Medicaid programs covered by the federal government.

Tell Aunt Bea, Jethro, Gomer and yourself, "You're welcome" from me and my fellow tax-payers in California, the fourth biggest economy on the planet.

**Tiny 12** · 04-01-26 19:00

Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]

When DEI just works in a Democracy:

...Virginia
District 23Candi King (D)
District 30John McAuliff (D)
District 41Lily Franklin (D)
District 57May Nivar (D)
District 64Stacey Carroll (D)
District 66Nicole Cole (D)
District 69Mark Downey (D)
District 71Jessica Anderson (D)
District 73Leslie Mehta (D)
District 75Lindsey Dougherty (D)
District 82Kimberly Pope Adams (D)
District 86Virgil Thornton Sr. (D)
District 89Kacey Carnegie (D)

New Jersey
District 2Maureen Rowan (D)
District 8Anthony Angelozzi (D)
District 21Andrew Macurdy (D)
District 21Vincent Kearney (D)
District 25Marisa Sweeney (D)...

Uh, that's gerrymandering, not DEI.

**Tiny 12** · 04-01-26 18:55

Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]

I haven't spent much time on the issues of slavery, historical oppression of minorities OR global warming here. Oh, I might have to clarify when some MAGA here tries to suggest "The Democrats" were the ones fighting on the side of slavery in the Civil War with a reminder that it was the Southern regional voters of that day who approved of slavery when it only happened that their duly-elected representatives for that wish were Democrats but ever since Democrats proposed, fought for and passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960's those same Southern regional voters abandoned the Democratic Party for the Republican Party. And their new (since the late 1960's) duly-elected representatives from that Republican Party try as much as possible to honor their constituents' wishes to oppress minorities, celebrate their pro-slavery past and so on. But that's about it.

No, my mission here and elsewhere is to help make it as clear as virtually all of the data, evidence, facts and easily observable reality over the past 100 years fully supports and virtually zero of it refutes that if you love and want Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction for yourself, your family, friends and America then by all means vote for any candidates other than Democrats or stay home and don't bother to vote at all. However, if you love and want none of those things for yourself, your family, friends and the rest of America but instead much prefer great economic recoveries, great economic expansions and historic jobs creation then you must vote for Democrats and no other candidates up and down every ballot in every election for which you qualify to vote, no exceptions.

Global Warming, the slavery and oppression of minorities thing? Well, not coincidentally the same Repub Party that can't, simply won't but either way certainly hasn't proposed, fought for or passed a single legislation or program in the past 100 years that averts those aforementioned economic disasters and promotes and produces the far better ones are also quite shitty at improving the environment and making it easier rather than more difficult for everyone who qualifies, minorities included, to exercise their Right to Vote.

But that is more of an unfortunate additional by-product of the Repub Party's general agenda to produce utterly crap economic results over and over and over again, which is a more pertinent and interesting topic to me, rather than their primary objective.

The politicians in Washington, Democrat and Republican, mostly make our lives worse. We pay taxes out the ass and get very little in return. And they've still managed to run up a national debt (net) of over $30 trillion. They get us into wars.

My state, city and state governments on the other hand do a great job, and provide value for the taxes we pay. For me, they're all run by Republicans. Of course it could be different elsewhere. But given how many people are leaving blue states and blue cities, I suspect not.

**Sirioja** · 04-01-26 04:08

Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]

Some on the left blame America for all the world's ills. And some go one step further and blame just Republicans for slavery, historical oppression of minorities, AND global warming, right Tooms? It's a shame game. But we don't have any control over the past. You can't step into a magic time machine, go back, wave a magic wand, and presto change o, America's historical CO2 emissions are lower than China's.

And you wouldn't want them to be. The USA surpassed China in carbon emissions during the Second Industrial Revolution, in the late 1880's. The modern economy we have now was built on the back of fossil fuels. Without them, we wouldn't have plastics, many chemicals, bounteous agricultural production, construction materials like cement, steel, and glass, transportation, electronics components, and many drugs.

Without the carbon economy, you wouldn't even be driving around in a buggy, because there would be no wrought iron. And you and I would be wearing diapers made of animal skins instead of Depends..

China make 30% of pollution on our planet and USA are second for pollution, polluting about double per citizen than Europeans. For me, buying Chinese products is supporting their government lying, not respecting human rights and slaving children and buying US products is supporting Trump who makes chaos in our world, so, I boycott both, I keep my 6 yo mobile I made repaired, I don t buy electric car. I refuse to support these 2 governments, my ideology, when China also make losing jobs in western countries, from their cheap, many dangerous, products made by companies helped by government which aim to destroy western economics and our children with very dangerous tik tok explaining them how to suicide. I think we really need to protect versus China and also Trump.

**EihTooms** · 04-01-26 03:33

Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]

Some on the left blame America for all the world's ills. And some go one step further and blame just Republicans for slavery, historical oppression of minorities, AND global warming, right Tooms? It's a shame game. But we don't have any control over the past. You can't step into a magic time machine, go back, wave a magic wand, and presto change o, America's historical CO2 emissions are lower than China's.

I haven't spent much time on the issues of slavery, historical oppression of minorities OR global warming here. Oh, I might have to clarify when some MAGA here tries to suggest "The Democrats" were the ones fighting on the side of slavery in the Civil War with a reminder that it was the Southern regional voters of that day who approved of slavery when it only happened that their duly-elected representatives for that wish were Democrats but ever since Democrats proposed, fought for and passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960's those same Southern regional voters abandoned the Democratic Party for the Republican Party. And their new (since the late 1960's) duly-elected representatives from that Republican Party try as much as possible to honor their constituents' wishes to oppress minorities, celebrate their pro-slavery past and so on. But that's about it.

No, my mission here and elsewhere is to help make it as clear as virtually all of the data, evidence, facts and easily observable reality over the past 100 years fully supports and virtually zero of it refutes that if you love and want Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction for yourself, your family, friends and America then by all means vote for any candidates other than Democrats or stay home and don't bother to vote at all. However, if you love and want none of those things for yourself, your family, friends and the rest of America but instead much prefer great economic recoveries, great economic expansions and historic jobs creation then you must vote for Democrats and no other candidates up and down every ballot in every election for which you qualify to vote, no exceptions.

Global Warming, the slavery and oppression of minorities thing? Well, not coincidentally the same Repub Party that can't, simply won't but either way certainly hasn't proposed, fought for or passed a single legislation or program in the past 100 years that averts those aforementioned economic disasters and promotes and produces the far better ones are also quite shitty at improving the environment and making it easier rather than more difficult for everyone who qualifies, minorities included, to exercise their Right to Vote.

But that is more of an unfortunate additional by-product of the Repub Party's general agenda to produce utterly crap economic results over and over and over again, which is a more pertinent and interesting topic to me, rather than their primary objective.

**Spidy** · 04-01-26 03:21

Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]

Just look at the crash in DC in Jan 2025 black ATC, look at Air Canada last week, DEI kills!

When DEI just works in a Democracy:

New Hampshire House Carroll County District 7Bobbi Boudman (D)
Texas Senate District 9Taylor Rehmet (D)
Arkansas House District 70Alex Holladay (D)
Florida House District 87Emily Gregory (D)
Florida Senate District 14Brian Nathan (D)
Georgia House District 121Eric Gisler (D)
Iowa Senate District 1Catelin Drey (D)
Iowa Senate District 35Mike Zimmer (D)
Pennsylvania Senate District 36James Malone (D)
Mississippi Senate District 2Theresa Gillespie Isom (D)
Mississippi Senate District 45Johnny DuPree (D)
Mississippi House District 22Justin Crosby (D)

Virginia
District 23Candi King (D)
District 30John McAuliff (D)
District 41Lily Franklin (D)
District 57May Nivar (D)
District 64Stacey Carroll (D)
District 66Nicole Cole (D)
District 69Mark Downey (D)
District 71Jessica Anderson (D)
District 73Leslie Mehta (D)
District 75Lindsey Dougherty (D)
District 82Kimberly Pope Adams (D)
District 86Virgil Thornton Sr. (D)
District 89Kacey Carnegie (D)

New Jersey
District 2Maureen Rowan (D)
District 8Anthony Angelozzi (D)
District 21Andrew Macurdy (D)
District 21Vincent Kearney (D)
District 25Marisa Sweeney (D)
https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-s...urned-11734830.

MAGA White-Privilage DEI, gone bad:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...tary-disaster/

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/0...llies-00254817

**Tiny 12** · 04-01-26 00:18

Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]

Not this old chestnut...again? Is that all you got, cause that chart doesn't constitute much of a debate? Care to provide a better context, as to what it is, you're trying to say? But for now I'll just throw up a link of my own, to refute what it is I'm guessing you're trying to say.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/c...e-co-emissions

Some on the left blame America for all the world's ills. And some go one step further and blame just Republicans for slavery, historical oppression of minorities, AND global warming, right Tooms? It's a shame game. But we don't have any control over the past. You can't step into a magic time machine, go back, wave a magic wand, and presto change o, America's historical CO2 emissions are lower than China's.

And you wouldn't want them to be. The USA surpassed China in carbon emissions during the Second Industrial Revolution, in the late 1880's. The modern economy we have now was built on the back of fossil fuels. Without them, we wouldn't have plastics, many chemicals, bounteous agricultural production, construction materials like cement, steel, and glass, transportation, electronics components, and many drugs.

Without the carbon economy, you wouldn't even be driving around in a buggy, because there would be no wrought iron. And you and I would be wearing diapers made of animal skins instead of Depends.

Until Deng Xiaopeng rose to power in the late 1970's, China was primarily an agrarian country. Using technology and methods developed in the USA, Europe and Japan, China piggybacked on the carbon economy. The improvement in the living conditions of its populace in a short period of time was astounding. One side effect, by the mid 2000's carbon emissions from China surpassed the USA's.

Courtesy of ChatGPT:

Currently Chinese carbon emissions are about 2.8 X higher than the USA's.

China emits 0.72 kg of CO2 per $ of GDP (nominal). The USA emits 0.26 kg per dollar.

55% to 60% of China's total energy consumption comes from coal, and 60% to 65% of its electricity generation is from coal. For comparison, coal provides about 10% of total USA Energy and 15% to 16% of USA Electricity.

Because of its reliance on coal, the air and water in China are much more polluted than in the USA.

The simple fact is that the so-called "petrostate" has greatly reduced carbon emissions since 2000. And during that same time, the electrostate's carbon emissions have increased by about 3.5 X.

**Sirioja** · 03-31-26 15:26

Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]

The A. I. Overview Update:

No Democrat would have been as helpful and determined to destroy America, its economy and National Security I order to Make China and Russia Russia Russia Great And Wealthier at the total expense of American lives, American blood, American taxpayer dollars and American National Security as the Repub MAGAs that could have but did not vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and / or Kamala Harris in 2024 and the China-loving, Russia Russia Russia-loving, America-hating Trump and fellow Repubs they allowed to squeak out those razor-thin election victories.

Yes, when Americans pay inflation and already 13 deaths at war, but liar Trump gives big money to Putin for his war attacking Ukraine.

**Spidy** · 03-31-26 11:57

Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]

LOL. You are out of your fucking mind.

Nah, but your MAGA Fuhrer is!

However, I am still waiting on the link to the article, from your last post, where I requested to verify the info / source. I know how reams of "cut-and-paste" are your thing (along with MDS1), as if it were your own words, but at least have the courtesy of supplying the link.

Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]

Maybe your ability to read has been compromised. Let me repeat the reason why that is not going to happen: A grid composed solely of solar, wind, and batteries is preposterous on its face the volume of batteries required to provide baseload power for days or weeks at a time borders on the absurd. This is why no such system has ever been piloted at a reasonable scale: the moment it is, the flaws would become immediately and fatally obvious.

Speaking of not being able to read a lick...dude, which part of "the electrical grids of tomorrow, will need the smart flexibility to handle, much of the clean, green renewable economy with electrotech, such as: rooftop-solar, EV's, battery storage tech, VPPs, heat pumps, heat batteries, pumped hydro, wave energy tech, UHVDC, HVDC & HVAC interconnectors, V2G, V2H, V2B, V2X, H2G, B2G and X2G...etc", did you not understand?.[/QUOTE]LOL! The MAGA hubris on clean energy, just keeps marching on!

Dude, you do realize, most everything we use comes from the earth (out of the ground) and as such, isn't carbon neutral, right? However, once battery materials have been dug out of the ground (just like fossil fuels, but unlike fossil fuels), they don't burn-off C02 and GHG, into the atmosphere, for a "one-time ONLY use", as they can be reused anywhere from 3-10,000 cycles or more and they have a 95% to 99% recycling capacity?

Let's see you try that with fossil fuels!

Another fun fact: Let's really put things into perspective shall we, as annual data reports, show that, the world digs up and extracts over 15 billion tonnes of fossil fuels, every year, verses 12-15 million tons of battery materials mined each year. So allow me to do the math for you, as that's a whopping 1000x times greater...LOL!.

One More Thing: The UAE are currently building a world's first 24/7 solar PV (5.2GWh) + batteries (19GWh) powered plant (January 15,2025) https://www.power-technology.com/new...attery-storage That's only 4x times greater! Not like the 100x times greater number you pulled outta your ass! Get your FACTS straight!

**MarquisdeSade1** · 03-31-26 05:20

Originally Posted by Canada [View Original Post]

Agreed. Blacks, Hispanics, women votes all increased for Trump in 2024. The Biden disaster changed their minds. Now if we could only get Trump to go to Canada and make Canada great again.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=clinton+jaws.