Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Pokemonger]

How does the World Cup impact the termas? Are there less girls working at the termas when Brazil or other South America teams are playing because they want to go party and watch it with their friends somewhere else?

Or does it not really have much of an impact?

Not really any effect. Weather is actually more of a factor. On rainy days, you'll see much less chicas and customers. For some places like 4 x 4 they have a big screen in the main bar area so nobody is missing out. I don't recall if there was a big screen like this in the Centaurus area. Best days to go are M-Th. Friday some of them go out to party like you said. Saturdays are dead and not worth going IMO, and Sundays everywhere is closed.

[Carlos Primeros]

The market is governed here in Lisboa by Brasileiras. Around 50 - 60 % of the working girls are from Brasil. They work from low level "casas" to high prized venues. You have here everything. Surprizingly the prices remained the same for the last few years. There had been attempts to demand higher prices by the girls but obviously the mongers had not been prepared to pay it. So the girls had to lower their demands as there is also a fierce competition amongst them. At the other hand they earn here approximately three times more than in Brasil.

Brasileiras who earn 100 - 200 real in Brasil (approx. 15 - 30 Euros) per trick, get here at least for a rapidinha 30 Euros and for a full hour 80 - 100 Euros, which is three times of what they make in Brasil. They have to leave after 3 months the EU. They travel to Israel or another Non-EU country, work there for three months and are back in Portugal for another 3 months. After 9 months abroad they return to Brasil with good money in their pocket.

I whish these hard-working girls all the best. As some of them use this money to open a small shop / hair-dresser / nail-shop etc.

Carlos.

[Exoticspirit]

I've noticed a major shift in the European escort market over the last few years. In my view, London is now heavily dominated by Brazilian escorts, and their presence is growing rapidly in cities such as Budapest, Prague, Lisbon, Barcelona, and other Western European destinations.

What interests me is that this seems to follow the same economic model used by skilled workers from lower-income countries. Just as tech graduates from countries like India or China often seek opportunities in the US or UK because they can earn several times more than at home, many Brazilian escorts appear to be doing something similar. Instead of working in Brazil, where rates are much lower, they travel to higher-income markets where they can charge several times more for similar services.

From what I've observed, many share accommodation costs with other girls, making their main investment a plane ticket and basic living expenses. Social media and established networks have made it easier than ever to enter these markets.

What surprises me is that this is no longer limited to top-tier escorts. More average-looking Brazilairas seem to be adopting the same strategy, having realized that they can earn far more in London or Western Europe than they can in Brazil. As a result, competition has increased significantly and the market has changed dramatically compared with five or ten years ago.

The European market has been long dominated by girls from Eastern Europe like Hungary, Poland and especially Romania (at least at the FKKs). So will be interesting to see what the effect of more Brazilians entering the market will be like. I guess if you are a brothel or FKK manager, it's a good thing to get another source of supply but for us, sometimes when we travel abroad, we would actually like to sample girls from the local country, ie, an actual German while in Germany (I was fortunate only once in a Berlin brothel to get this). Otherwise it's always been Eastern Euros for me. By default.

[Axel Heyst]

I've noticed a major shift in the European escort market over the last few years. In my view, London is now heavily dominated by Brazilian escorts, and their presence is growing rapidly in cities such as Budapest, Prague, Lisbon, Barcelona, and other Western European destinations.

Has anyone else noticed this trend across Europe, and where do you think the market is heading over the next 5 years?

Anecdotally I have lost 3 amazing Brazilian boate girls to "the tour", They set off on a short-term European visit, and I never heard from them again. Obviously, I do not like this trend.

[The Cane]

I've noticed a major shift in the European escort market over the last few years. In my view, London is now heavily dominated by Brazilian escorts, and their presence is growing rapidly in cities such as Budapest, Prague, Lisbon, Barcelona, and other Western European destinations. Has anyone else noticed this trend across Europe?

The one place where the Brasilieras absolutely do not dominate is the FKK scene in Germany. That remains the province of the Romanian girls, and even more so post versus pre-COVID (try to imagine that). And as a Romie would put it, I like to "fuck with them" too hahaha!

[Jubby007]

I've noticed a major shift in the European escort market over the last few years. In my view, London is now heavily dominated by Brazilian escorts, and their presence is growing rapidly in cities such as Budapest, Prague, Lisbon, Barcelona, and other Western European destinations.

What interests me is that this seems to follow the same economic model used by skilled workers from lower-income countries. Just as tech graduates from countries like India or China often seek opportunities in the US or UK because they can earn several times more than at home, many Brazilian escorts appear to be doing something similar. Instead of working in Brazil, where rates are much lower, they travel to higher-income markets where they can charge several times more for similar services.

From what I've observed, many share accommodation costs with other girls, making their main investment a plane ticket and basic living expenses. Social media and established networks have made it easier than ever to enter these markets.

What surprises me is that this is no longer limited to top-tier escorts. More average-looking Brazilairas seem to be adopting the same strategy, having realized that they can earn far more in London or Western Europe than they can in Brazil. As a result, competition has increased significantly and the market has changed dramatically compared with five or ten years ago.

Has anyone else noticed this trend across Europe, and where do you think the market is heading over the next 5 years?

[Bravo]

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What I find interesting is how dramatically prices change simply because the location changes. The same applies in several Central European cities I've visited, including Prague, Budapest, and Bucharest. There seems to be a very large Brazilian presence in many European markets, and the rates are often two to four times higher than what is commonly charged in Brazil.

From a market perspective, it's fascinating to see how supply, demand, local income levels, tourism, and customer expectations can affect pricing. The service itself may be similar, but the market value changes significantly once people are operating in Europe rather than in Brazil.

It makes sense that their prices go up dramatically when they are in Europe. That's the whole reason why they leave their family / children behind for 3 months to chase the Euro / Pound. They aren't traveling that far to ask for the same amount they made in Reais in centro. LOL! (I have had a number of conversations with girls who recently returned to brasil after being in Europe for an extended period about their price gouging in Copa. I laugh and say "Baby, you not in Europe anymore!

[The Cane]

From a market perspective, it's fascinating to see how supply, demand, local income levels, tourism, and customer expectations can affect pricing. The service itself may be similar, but the market value changes significantly once people are operating in Europe rather than in Brazil.

The one I was talking to in Lisbon was asking quadruple the maximum price I would be quite happy to pay for a hot garota working at Scandallo (the baddest puta palace on the planet), which quite often comes not only with a BBBJ, but also anal sex and more. Quadruple! Just insane! Because that's what she thinks she should be able to command in Europe from "thirsty" mongers. And unfortunately, what you routinely find is that girls charging all that money aren't better performers on average, and indeed are often worse. No way, no how am I going there! Give me some grilled sardines and a beer instead LMAO!

[The Cane]

This pattern is not limited only to Brazilian girls. It's always cheaper at the source home countries. Other good examples are Colombian girls -- they are much cheaper in Colombia even with Cartegena and Medellin experiencing price hikes compared to when they travel and work in Panama and Costa Rica. I could just imagine how much more expensive both Latin American and Asian girls are when they work in Dubai.

You're right. This is what I have experienced too. The price of pussy is normally cheaper in the home country versus in a place like the United States, Europe, or Dubai. I mongered in Dubai once, and never again. Too much money (especially for blonde, Ruskie pussy) for too little performance. As I have said many times before, I would rather monger in Switzerland where the pussy costs even more, but where at least you can get top notch performance to go along with the cost.

[Exoticspirit]

My vacation is coming up in about two months, and whenever I take this type of trip, I usually visit 34 countries, mostly in Central Europe. If I'm back in the USA, then I might choose Brazil instead.

This year, since I'm already in Europe, I was considering Lisbon, Madrid, and Barcelona. Looking at the local economy, Portugal's average salary is relatively low compared to many Western European countries. However, what surprised me was the pricing I found when browsing several escort websites.

I noticed many Brazilian women advertising in Lisbon. The same type of service that might cost around 50100 per hour in Rio de Janeiro was being advertised for 200250 per hour in Lisbon, with even 30-minute appointments around 150. At first, I thought it was just one website, but after checking several others, I saw similar pricing patterns.

What I find interesting is how dramatically prices change simply because the location changes. The same applies in several Central European cities I've visited, including Prague, Budapest, and Bucharest. There seems to be a very large Brazilian presence in many European markets, and the rates are often two to four times higher than what is commonly charged in Brazil.

From a market perspective, it's fascinating to see how supply, demand, local income levels, tourism, and customer expectations can affect pricing. The service itself may be similar, but the market value changes significantly once people are operating in Europe rather than in Brazil.

This pattern is not limited only to Brazilian girls. It's always cheaper at the source home countries. Other good examples are Colombian girls -- they are much cheaper in Colombia even with Cartegena and Medellin experiencing price hikes compared to when they travel and work in Panama and Costa Rica. I could just imagine how much more expensive both Latin American and Asian girls are when they work in Dubai.

[WyattEarp]

I haven't visited Brazil in a few years, but because of work I spend a lot of time in Central European cities such as Budapest, Prague, Bucharest, and others.

One thing I've noticed since COVID is the huge increase in the number of Brazilian escorts working across London and Central Europe. A few years ago, they seemed to be a relatively small part of the market. Today, from what I see, they make up a very large share of the London scene and are increasingly present in cities throughout Central Europe.

In my opinion, this has contributed significantly to higher prices. Many Brazilian escorts are charging London-level rates, and in some cases even more than what local providers charge in the cities where they work. As a customer, I don't think the quality always matches the prices being asked.

What frustrates me most is the loss of variety. When I travel to different countries, I want to experience local culture and meet local people. Instead, I often find the same nationality represented across multiple cities. It starts to feel like every market is becoming the same.

Again, this is just my personal observation from travelling frequently for business over the last several years. Others may have had different experiences, but I've definitely noticed a major shift in both pricing and market composition since COVID.

There is a strong network effect in escorting. These Brazilian escorts likely have a small community within their European cities and even across them.

Twenty years ago, you might have heard a Brasileira say she had a friend working in some city in Western Europe. Ten years ago, it seemed like most of the top Brazilian escorts had some European tours under their belts. It's only grown in scale.

[WyattEarp]

I finally was able to create an account, so going to recap while my memory is still fresh of my recent trip here.

Some tips before I begin.

Buy a Claro Flex Pass for data. Way better value than airalo with 15-30 day options and huge GB limits. I exclusively use this every time I visit and have had no issues activating it. Only need passport to create an account.

Install 99 for transport. I've been finding it typically cheaper than Uber, more drivers, and it gives the option of taking a Moto too if you want to save / get to your destination faster.

Get a debit card with no fees like Schwab. Lots of termas like Centaurus, Dolce Vita, and Solarium will try to upcharge you if you pay with credit card. Avoid paying 10% or more by withdrawing in advance.

Now on to the report..

Thanks for your insights from your recent Brazil trip. Not everyone comes back to ISG to report on their experiences.

[Jubby007]

It's not just in London or Central Europe. Not too long ago in Lisbon, a place where of course you're going to encounter a lot of Brazilians, a drop dead gorgeous Brazilian girl had the gall to quote me 700 euros for an hour and a half of "vanilla sex" (see my report for the details). I found that to be an outrageous sum of money for what she was offering and passed. Who the hell in Lisbon, a country where workers earn pretty much the smallest salaries in Western Europe, is paying so much for so little? Well, she said she was visiting from France, so maybe that had something to do with her expectations too. I don't know. I didn't get into "negotiations" with any other girls at that club, so I don't know if her pricing was typical for that particular club, or if it was just her. All I know is that she was barking up the wrong tree with me!

My vacation is coming up in about two months, and whenever I take this type of trip, I usually visit 3–4 countries, mostly in Central Europe. If I'm back in the USA, then I might choose Brazil instead.

This year, since I'm already in Europe, I was considering Lisbon, Madrid, and Barcelona. Looking at the local economy, Portugal's average salary is relatively low compared to many Western European countries. However, what surprised me was the pricing I found when browsing several escort websites.

I noticed many Brazilian women advertising in Lisbon. The same type of service that might cost around €50–€100 per hour in Rio de Janeiro was being advertised for €200–€250 per hour in Lisbon, with even 30-minute appointments around €150. At first, I thought it was just one website, but after checking several others, I saw similar pricing patterns.

What I find interesting is how dramatically prices change simply because the location changes. The same applies in several Central European cities I've visited, including Prague, Budapest, and Bucharest. There seems to be a very large Brazilian presence in many European markets, and the rates are often two to four times higher than what is commonly charged in Brazil.

From a market perspective, it's fascinating to see how supply, demand, local income levels, tourism, and customer expectations can affect pricing. The service itself may be similar, but the market value changes significantly once people are operating in Europe rather than in Brazil.

[The Cane]

I haven't visited Brazil in a few years, but because of work I spend a lot of time in Central European cities such as Budapest, Prague, Bucharest, and others.

One thing I've noticed since COVID is the huge increase in the number of Brazilian escorts working across London and Central Europe. A few years ago, they seemed to be a relatively small part of the market. Today, from what I see, they make up a very large share of the London scene and are increasingly present in cities throughout Central Europe.

In my opinion, this has contributed significantly to higher prices. Many Brazilian escorts are charging London-level rates, and in some cases even more than what local providers charge in the cities where they work. As a customer, I don't think the quality always matches the prices being asked.

What frustrates me most is the loss of variety. When I travel to different countries, I want to experience local culture and meet local people. Instead, I often find the same nationality represented across multiple cities. It starts to feel like every market is becoming the same.

Again, this is just my personal observation from travelling frequently for business over the last several years. Others may have had different experiences, but I've definitely noticed a major shift in both pricing and market composition since COVID.

It's not just in London or Central Europe. Not too long ago in Lisbon, a place where of course you're going to encounter a lot of Brazilians, a drop dead gorgeous Brazilian girl had the gall to quote me 700 euros for an hour and a half of "vanilla sex" (see my report for the details). I found that to be an outrageous sum of money for what she was offering and passed. Who the hell in Lisbon, a country where workers earn pretty much the smallest salaries in Western Europe, is paying so much for so little? Well, she said she was visiting from France, so maybe that had something to do with her expectations too. I don't know. I didn't get into "negotiations" with any other girls at that club, so I don't know if her pricing was typical for that particular club, or if it was just her. All I know is that she was barking up the wrong tree with me!

[Jubby007]

I haven't visited Brazil in a few years, but because of work I spend a lot of time in Central European cities such as Budapest, Prague, Bucharest, and others.

One thing I've noticed since COVID is the huge increase in the number of Brazilian escorts working across London and Central Europe. A few years ago, they seemed to be a relatively small part of the market. Today, from what I see, they make up a very large share of the London scene and are increasingly present in cities throughout Central Europe.

In my opinion, this has contributed significantly to higher prices. Many Brazilian escorts are charging London-level rates, and in some cases even more than what local providers charge in the cities where they work. As a customer, I don't think the quality always matches the prices being asked.

What frustrates me most is the loss of variety. When I travel to different countries, I want to experience local culture and meet local people. Instead, I often find the same nationality represented across multiple cities. It starts to feel like every market is becoming the same.

Again, this is just my personal observation from travelling frequently for business over the last several years. Others may have had different experiences, but I've definitely noticed a major shift in both pricing and market composition since COVID.