Bangkok Reports

[Pokler]

These recent posts remind me that descriptors like "first rate" mean different things to different people. For many of us, there are particular services or ways of delivering those services that make one guys gem another guys dud.

Some time ago I came to the epiphany that no matter where or who, I would negotiate not just based on price, but also on service. Gogo, Thai Friendly, Thermae, street walker, beer bar or wherever. When I meet a girl, I make sure she will do the key services that I want at a price point that I can live with. So whether you want to cum inside, get multiple pops, have the girl stay for more than 60 minutes, take it up the pooper, DFK, etc, make sure that your provider understands that you are willing to pay XXX (her expectation), but you expect YYY service (your expectation). Asking other guys what they got with some rando girl at some rando bar is meaningless. Even if a guy says he got service ABCDEFG from a specific girl at a specific bar for a specific price, it never guarantees that the same girl will give you the same service at the same price with the same attitude or feeling. It is up to the monger to negotiate to ensure he is getting what he wants. Just my view, but failure to align is a good recipe for disappointment down the road. Enjoy, AR.

Good common sense advice thanks. Any thought on arranging a threesome? Let the girl I'm negotiating with pick the other girl? Of maybe have 2 from TF I find independent of each other come to my hotel?

[HorseTrader]

That's not to say you walk into any gogo bar and start throwing money at the mamasan. Then again, I can't say from experience that wouldn't work out well for my purposes too. LOL. I've never done it that way. I do at least vet the mamasan first by having her sit with me, perhaps buy her a drink, introduce myself and tell her what I want with some among her girls who are up for it with me, specifically the BBFSCIP part. If she recoils in horror at the very idea of such a thing and there will be some who do, I thank her for her time and move on. That mamasan is less than useless for my purposes. But every now and then a mamasan will take the assignment seriously and will hook you up royally with the 3-4 girls in bar she knows can and will make a special customer happy in that way. Those are the mamasans who earn their money and the girls who get my business, often repeat repeat and repeat business.

In the case of my favored mamasan, I first met her in early 2022 and was actually introduced to her by a fellow punter while a 3rd punter was with us. The three of us each bought lady drinks while the mamasan soaked in that we may all be big spenders. Since then, that mamasan has worked at 4 Nana Plaza bars and she recently sent me a Line message that said she is changing back to her second bar, which is valuable information for me. It took about 4 visits before we saw eye-to-eye: I need pretty girl with CIP and mamasan gets good tip. Mamasan has delivered many times since then and each time she gets a good tip.

Regarding a mamasan who "recoils in horror at the very idea of such a thing", sometimes they change their tune. In March I asked a mamasan which girls do BBFS and she cringed and said "none". A few minutes later she came back and said she had a few who would do no condom, but they would insist that I finish outside. In another few minutes she said I could ask the girls if they would allow CIP. Her available BBFS girls were not to my liking, but I gave that mamasan a decent tip (200?) for future reference. It takes time to effectively court a mamasan.

[Nyezhov]

In addition, the monger himself comes with variables that can affect pricing. If two mongers approach a girl wanting to cornhole her, the first is slim and packing six inches with the girth of a #2 pencil; the second monger is heavyset and packing nine inches with the girth of a Coke can. The slim fella is mild mannered and looks like a soft stroker. Meanwhile, the heavyset fella is more aggressive and looks like an ass pounder. The girl knows that the second monger is likely to leave her cornhole out of commission for a day or two, so she factors that into her pricing and charges him more. Two mongers, same hooker, different prices.

Old man, small boom boom, big money. Young man too much boom boom.

[MasterKaster]

Hi, all. Next month I have a work trip to Bangkok for a week. I'm arriving a few days early to give myself the weekend there. I'm excited about this trip and want to experience everything LOL! I've been on Thai Friendly and have gotten a lot of responses. Probably 80% come right out and tell me they are FL so then I request rates. Almost all are 3000st /6000 LT. Some a little more (4000/10000) and some less (2500/6000). Is it expected to negotiate this rate if it's a person on TF? Aside from that, there are some few beautiful ladies who have said they are interested to meet but not alluding to being a FL. For those, are they generally going to be DTF if they realize I'm willing to "help them out", or are these ladies genuinely looking for long term relationships and want to date first?

So, aside from TF I plan to have some Nana Plaza experiences and my hotel is close to there. From reviewing this site I don't have any questions about that, but pointers are always welcome! I'm just excited to see / experience it. I'll also take a trip through Thermae for that experience. Same comment about pointers there.

Lastly I want to go to a top quality massage place. I've never had soapy, nuru or really any kind of erotic massage experience. If you all could pick one place with the hottest girl / best service combination, where would you go? I'm looking for two girls for a couple of hours and anything goes (condom for sex is fine). Suggestions appreciated.

Any experiences I'm missing that shouldn't be missed? Also, if anyone knows girls there that I should consider please let me know. I'm working on getting a membership here so I can PM.

Thanks everyone!

[Chocha Monger]

These recent posts remind me that descriptors like "first rate" mean different things to different people. For many of us, there are particular services or ways of delivering those services that make one guys gem another guys dud.

Some time ago I came to the epiphany that no matter where or who, I would negotiate not just based on price, but also on service. Gogo, Thai Friendly, Thermae, street walker, beer bar or wherever. When I meet a girl, I make sure she will do the key services that I want at a price point that I can live with. So whether you want to cum inside, get multiple pops, have the girl stay for more than 60 minutes, take it up the pooper, DFK, etc, make sure that your provider understands that you are willing to pay XXX (her expectation), but you expect YYY service (your expectation). Asking other guys what they got with some rando girl at some rando bar is meaningless. Even if a guy says he got service ABCDEFG from a specific girl at a specific bar for a specific price, it never guarantees that the same girl will give you the same service at the same price with the same attitude or feeling. It is up to the monger to negotiate to ensure he is getting what he wants. Just my view, but failure to align is a good recipe for disappointment down the road. Enjoy, AR.

In addition, the monger himself comes with variables that can affect pricing. If two mongers approach a girl wanting to cornhole her, the first is slim and packing six inches with the girth of a #2 pencil; the second monger is heavyset and packing nine inches with the girth of a Coke can. The slim fella is mild mannered and looks like a soft stroker. Meanwhile, the heavyset fella is more aggressive and looks like an ass pounder. The girl knows that the second monger is likely to leave her cornhole out of commission for a day or two, so she factors that into her pricing and charges him more. Two mongers, same hooker, different prices.

[Asian Rain]

I like you would want to get a girl and leave ASAP since at 71 I'm not big on partying with loud music. But unlike you I like to do 2-3 pops but only if the girl turns out to ring all my bells. So for the extra pops should I just offering her more BHT in the room after round one? I'm trying to tie this question into the bar fine. Is the BF I paid good to have the girl just for 90 minutes or a few hours or can she stay longer if she is good with the extra BHT I offer?

These recent posts remind me that descriptors like "first rate" mean different things to different people. For many of us, there are particular services or ways of delivering those services that make one guys gem another guys dud.

Some time ago I came to the epiphany that no matter where or who, I would negotiate not just based on price, but also on service. Gogo, Thai Friendly, Thermae, street walker, beer bar or wherever. When I meet a girl, I make sure she will do the key services that I want at a price point that I can live with. So whether you want to cum inside, get multiple pops, have the girl stay for more than 60 minutes, take it up the pooper, DFK, etc, make sure that your provider understands that you are willing to pay XXX (her expectation), but you expect YYY service (your expectation). Asking other guys what they got with some rando girl at some rando bar is meaningless. Even if a guy says he got service ABCDEFG from a specific girl at a specific bar for a specific price, it never guarantees that the same girl will give you the same service at the same price with the same attitude or feeling. It is up to the monger to negotiate to ensure he is getting what he wants. Just my view, but failure to align is a good recipe for disappointment down the road. Enjoy, AR.

[Paolo99]

Man, I'm researching to visit Thailand in August but paying the equivalent of around 150 for girls seems crazy to me.

That's more than Medellin where you're paying the equivalent of 30-50 usd for the most beautiful women you'd ever seen. And 100-150 for women who would be in music videos. All from women who treat sex like an Olympic sport.

I might stick mostly to BJ bars.

You're going to have a bad surprise.

They don't look good in the BJ bars, and they are not all expert at sucking dicks. And it's going to cost at least 800 baht in Bkk.

[HorseTrader]

I'm trying to tie this question into the bar fine. Is the BF I paid good to have the girl just for 90 minutes or a few hours or can she stay longer if she is good with the extra BHT I offer?

I'm even older than you and my last 2 pop ST session was about 2 years ago. In my younger years, I would sometimes get multiple pops without additional money. Very rarely did the girl say she needed to hurry back to the bar.

I seldom do LT, but will do another pop in the morning without additional financial consideration. I'm so old that the morning pop limits my ability to do an evening pop. For me, there is little reason to do LT or pay extra for an extended ST.

[EihTooms]

I've posted this information before, but it now seems to be a popular question. My response below is from memory and may be slightly different from what I've posted in the past. I've done many bar fines from the Nana Plaza go-go bars and I'm a well known face in one bar where I get favored treatment from mamasan. I've probably done 20-25 Nana Plaza go-go bar fines in the last 12 months, but most recent was in March.

At the bar where mamasan favors me, this is how I work. I'll buy myself a drink, normally water or Coke. Mamasan often buys it for me. Mamasan sits with me and discusses girls available. She knows that I only want under about 26, slender, and CIP. I seldom buy mamasan a drink. Mamasan will introduce me to her CIP girls and I'll buy a drink for my favorite one (or maybe not). If I'm happy, I'll confirm CIP with the girl and arrange a bar fine.

- 700-1000 for drink for me, my girl, tip for waitress. If I don't go with the first girl, this 700 baht goes up to about 1000. I never get a second drink for myself. Rarely do I buy a second lady drink or one for her friends. I'm not there to get drunk and I don't want to bar fine a drunk lady. The music is too loud, the lady is not great at conversation, and I like to get in and out of the place. Same as a hardware store for girls, I find what I want, get it, and leave.

- 1000 baht bar fine.

- 500-1000 baht tip for mamasan. She is my source for CIP approved girls and I want her happiest of all. I'm sure she tells her girls that I am a favored customer because I consistently get the treatment that Eih Tooms described below, but I seldom ask about the secondary services (DFK, BBBJ, etc). In other venues, I ask about those secondary services..

Much has been written on these forums about ignoring mamasans, that we should get them out of the deal, that they only interfere and so on. And I am sure the stories I read and hear about some of us handsome men getting Real Sex / BBFSCIP with the hottest lookers in the gogo bars without discussion or extra money in the room are all true.

I would also agree with many here who wave off mamasans as unnecessary and useless interlopers who add little or nothing of value to the gogo bar P4P transaction if all the customer wants is basic Thai P4 P fare of Covered FS. And especially if he isn't all that particular about which lady in the bar he gets fully Covered FS with as long as she has a fun personality and agrees to an amount of baht the customer deems fair. Basic Thai P4 P fare of Covered FS with average or below average lookers has to be the easiest accomplishment for virtually any punter on the planet even if they just arrived in the country that afternoon. And its only marginally less easy if the lady is an above average looker. There is absolutely no need for a mamasan to get involved with such a transaction and her presence is only an annoying distraction.

However, for those of us who prefer a Thai mongering experience of a more reliable routine of getting a True GFE, what I call Real Sex or actual BBFSCIP, with above average looking Thai girls, in my humble opinion the only real regular challenge in the entire Thai P4P scene, one would do well to follow Horse Trader's description for how and why to get a mamasan in a gogo bar on your side in the effort.

I have had "friendly relationships" with a couple of gogo bar mamasans in that way over the years as well. And I can attest from my personal experience that a word of assurance to the girls from the mamasan that this particular handsome man is a good customer and that they ought to treat him well miraculously melts away any confusion in the minds of the above average to downright hottest girls in the bar what the difference is between Real Sex and the least they can get away with in the room and still get the money, suddenly understanding the value of sweet DFK and even sweeter BBBJ vs the head turn and staring at a dick like they have no idea what to do to wake it up, etc that beats the hell out of cruising from bar to bar buying drinks willy nilly and hoping to strike gold some lucky night with only my money, my handsome looks and my winning charm to make it happen.

Dare I say in order to actually get more and better service in that regard by spending a bit more and on the right people along the way.

That's not to say you walk into any gogo bar and start throwing money at the mamasan. Then again, I can't say from experience that wouldn't work out well for my purposes too. LOL. I've never done it that way. I do at least vet the mamasan first by having her sit with me, perhaps buy her a drink, introduce myself and tell her what I want with some among her girls who are up for it with me, specifically the BBFSCIP part. If she recoils in horror at the very idea of such a thing and there will be some who do, I thank her for her time and move on. That mamasan is less than useless for my purposes. But every now and then a mamasan will take the assignment seriously and will hook you up royally with the 3-4 girls in bar she knows can and will make a special customer happy in that way. Those are the mamasans who earn their money and the girls who get my business, often repeat repeat and repeat business.

As always, YMMV.

[Pokler]

I've posted this information before, but it now seems to be a popular question. My response below is from memory and may be slightly different from what I've posted in the past. I've done many bar fines from the Nana Plaza go-go bars and I'm a well known face in one bar where I get favored treatment from mamasan. I've probably done 20-25 Nana Plaza go-go bar fines in the last 12 months, but most recent was in March.

At the bar where mamasan favors me, this is how I work. I'll buy myself a drink, normally water or Coke. Mamasan often buys it for me. Mamasan sits with me and discusses girls available. She knows that I only want under about 26, slender, and CIP. I seldom buy mamasan a drink. Mamasan will introduce me to her CIP girls and I'll buy a drink for my favorite one (or maybe not). If I'm happy, I'll confirm CIP with the girl and arrange a bar fine.

- 700-1000 for drink for me, my girl, tip for waitress. If I don't go with the first girl, this 700 baht goes up to about 1000. I never get a second drink for myself. Rarely do I buy a second lady drink or one for her friends. I'm not there to get drunk and I don't want to bar fine a drunk lady. The music is too loud, the lady is not great at conversation, and I like to get in and out of the place. Same as a hardware store for girls, I find what I want, get it, and leave.

- 1000 baht bar fine.

- 500-1000 baht tip for mamasan. She is my source for CIP approved girls and I want her happiest of all. I'm sure she tells her girls that I am a favored customer because I consistently get the treatment that Eih Tooms described below, but I seldom ask about the secondary services (DFK, BBBJ, etc). In other venues, I ask about those secondary services.

- 150-200 baht for tuk tuk or taxi to my hotel.

- 100-200 baht for reception at my hotel. This is the person who knows to warn me if I have a ladyboy or underage girl (hasn't happened yet). They also call my room before returning the girl's ID. For my own safety, I want reception to be happy.

- 3000-4000 for girl in room. Generally, negotiate 3000 in the bar, but sometimes she wants 4000 for the CIP (girls who refuse CIP don't get this far with me). If performance in room is outstanding, I give 4000 because I want her again. Starting about the 3rd bar fine with the same girl, she has proven herself and she will likely get 4000 from me.

- 100 baht for the girl's motorcycle taxi back to the bar.

So, total expense ranges from about 6,000 to 7,500. I never buy a lot of drinks for myself or the girls. In-bar tips are limited to mamasan and my waitress. On nights that I don't bar fine anyone, I always give my mamasan 100 to 200 baht tip. Occasionally I see girls that I want to bar fine in the future, I'll give them tips ranging from 40 to 100 baht. In other go go bars I do things a bit differently, but I always tip mamasan because I want to build her "friendship". Mamasan is the true valued resource, she will be around in the future; the bar girls change about as often as I change my socks. It takes a long time to build relationship with mamasan.

I like to be in and out of the go go bar in 60-90 minutes. I like the girl in and out of my room in about 90 minutes. I'm too old for multiple pops per day, I'll get a different girl in 21 hours.

I like you would want to get a girl and leave ASAP since at 71 I'm not big on partying with loud music. But unlike you I like to do 2-3 pops but only if the girl turns out to ring all my bells. So for the extra pops should I just offering her more BHT in the room after round one? I'm trying to tie this question into the bar fine. Is the BF I paid good to have the girl just for 90 minutes or a few hours or can she stay longer if she is good with the extra BHT I offer?

[Allover]

For me, "first rate service" would be that the girl and I engage in lots of DFK, she would give me a very wet BBBJ including plenty of ball licking and kissing, moving on to mild DATY to get her natural lubrication flowing and then BBFSCIP, all without hesitation or discussion, perhaps after the BBFSCIP part was settled in the bar and with no rushing or clock watching in the room.

So in the case of your Twisters beauty should I also expect to get my version of first rate service for the same 3000 baht reduction from 5000 baht without me negotiating? Or might I have to pay more to get better service and my money's worth by my reasoning?

Mind you, all the ladies tell me I'm a handsome man, too.

You correctly point out that First Rate service varies with each of us. My girl would not have met your standards. And the girls tell all of us that we are handsome.

[HorseTrader]

I would like to hear from people who have actually been to Nana Plaza and bar fined a girl. What did you actually pay? 1. Bar Fine; 2. Girl Fee; 3. Room (if rented separately).

I've posted this information before, but it now seems to be a popular question. My response below is from memory and may be slightly different from what I've posted in the past. I've done many bar fines from the Nana Plaza go-go bars and I'm a well known face in one bar where I get favored treatment from mamasan. I've probably done 20-25 Nana Plaza go-go bar fines in the last 12 months, but most recent was in March.

At the bar where mamasan favors me, this is how I work. I'll buy myself a drink, normally water or Coke. Mamasan often buys it for me. Mamasan sits with me and discusses girls available. She knows that I only want under about 26, slender, and CIP. I seldom buy mamasan a drink. Mamasan will introduce me to her CIP girls and I'll buy a drink for my favorite one (or maybe not). If I'm happy, I'll confirm CIP with the girl and arrange a bar fine.

- 700-1000 for drink for me, my girl, tip for waitress. If I don't go with the first girl, this 700 baht goes up to about 1000. I never get a second drink for myself. Rarely do I buy a second lady drink or one for her friends. I'm not there to get drunk and I don't want to bar fine a drunk lady. The music is too loud, the lady is not great at conversation, and I like to get in and out of the place. Same as a hardware store for girls, I find what I want, get it, and leave.

- 1000 baht bar fine.

- 500-1000 baht tip for mamasan. She is my source for CIP approved girls and I want her happiest of all. I'm sure she tells her girls that I am a favored customer because I consistently get the treatment that Eih Tooms described below, but I seldom ask about the secondary services (DFK, BBBJ, etc). In other venues, I ask about those secondary services.

- 150-200 baht for tuk tuk or taxi to my hotel.

- 100-200 baht for reception at my hotel. This is the person who knows to warn me if I have a ladyboy or underage girl (hasn't happened yet). They also call my room before returning the girl's ID. For my own safety, I want reception to be happy.

- 3000-4000 for girl in room. Generally, negotiate 3000 in the bar, but sometimes she wants 4000 for the CIP (girls who refuse CIP don't get this far with me). If performance in room is outstanding, I give 4000 because I want her again. Starting about the 3rd bar fine with the same girl, she has proven herself and she will likely get 4000 from me.

- 100 baht for the girl's motorcycle taxi back to the bar.

So, total expense ranges from about 6,000 to 7,500. I never buy a lot of drinks for myself or the girls. In-bar tips are limited to mamasan and my waitress. On nights that I don't bar fine anyone, I always give my mamasan 100 to 200 baht tip. Occasionally I see girls that I want to bar fine in the future, I'll give them tips ranging from 40 to 100 baht. In other go go bars I do things a bit differently, but I always tip mamasan because I want to build her "friendship". Mamasan is the true valued resource, she will be around in the future; the bar girls change about as often as I change my socks. It takes a long time to build relationship with mamasan.

I like to be in and out of the go go bar in 60-90 minutes. I like the girl in and out of my room in about 90 minutes. I'm too old for multiple pops per day, I'll get a different girl in 21 hours.

[Dinosaur9]

Man, I'm researching to visit Thailand in August but paying the equivalent of around 150 for girls seems crazy to me.

That's more than Medellin where you're paying the equivalent of 30-50 usd for the most beautiful women you'd ever seen. And 100-150 for women who would be in music videos. All from women who treat sex like an Olympic sport.

I might stick mostly to BJ bars.

[CooliogangsNew]

Hello All. I am travelling to Bangkok in September and planning to stay near nana plaza. I am looking for some hot spots where I can find Japanese and Korean providers. Please provide me any info. Thanks again!

[EihTooms]

I have spent the past 2 nights at Nana. Barfines quoted in most places was *B1000 and the girls seemed to want *B4000 or *B5000 for short time. On two separate occasions the girl cut her price to *B3000 without me negotiating. This occurred midweek when the bars were slow. One of the girls was a Twisters beauty and I accepted her offer. Even though I got the discount her service at my hotel was first rate. This proves to me once again that paying more doesn't guarantee better service. I got my money's worth and then some. But then again, I am a handsome man. That's what she told me.

I thought Twisters, Billboard, Butterflies, Red Dragon had the best lineup (in no particular order) midweek this visit.

All prices quoted in Thai baht.

For me, "first rate service" would be that the girl and I engage in lots of DFK, she would give me a very wet BBBJ including plenty of ball licking and kissing, moving on to mild DATY to get her natural lubrication flowing and then BBFSCIP, all without hesitation or discussion, perhaps after the BBFSCIP part was settled in the bar and with no rushing or clock watching in the room.

So in the case of your Twisters beauty should I also expect to get my version of first rate service for the same 3000 baht reduction from 5000 baht without me negotiating? Or might I have to pay more to get better service and my money's worth by my reasoning?

Mind you, all the ladies tell me I'm a handsome man, too.