Medellin Reports

[Chico Bonito]

I have spent about twelve years in Latin America and I think that just because a woman expects money, does not mean she does not actually want to have sex with you. They like sex and they like money. I have been in P4P relationships for as long as seven years and you get to where you can tell.

Yes, that's very true. It can definitely be both at the same time, where a woman is having sex with you for money, but also likes you and is enjoying herself. Since in those cases she is still receiving money to do it, I would say that technically that's not free. Although I have read some reports on here where guys have mentioned that their p4p regulars have sometimes given them freebie sessions.

In the end, I don't think the distinction matters all that much as long as everyone is getting what they want. But if a man wants it for free because he wants sex based on attraction and thinks he's getting into a normal relationship or hookup situation, but then she wants to charge him when he wasn't expecting it, that becomes a problem.

[PolloNegro]

You are conflating not free with associated costs. If the radio station is giving away free tickets to the concert, let you tell it it is not free because you have pay for gas to get to the radio station to pick them up. Then you have to pay for gas to get to the concert, maybe pay for a new outfit, and pay parking at the venue. Those associated cost of using the tickets does not mean the tickets were not free.

Likewise it is not free to have a job. You have to buy a car with insurance to get there. Gas. Suits to wear. You have to pay for your lunch while you are there, among other things.

Hell, it would not even be free to sit in your house. You have to pay the rent, electric bill, lawnmover to cut the grass, the TV you want to watch, the food you want to eat, the water you want to wash clothes with, etc.

Having associated costs does not mean something is not free.

Those were pretty good examples, but out of all the ones you provided, none addressed the costs associated with sex or dating. Every example you gave comes with a known fee. If I don't interact with a woman, I don't incur those costs—so I'm not conflating anything. I'm simply saying that if you choose to interact with a woman, everything that comes along with that choice becomes a fee. If I don't interact with her, I don't have that fee. So, I tend to disagree. Stay vigilant. PN!

[JohnMong]

I'm not sure what you're doing wrong but my Facebook inbox is full of beautiful chics. They are really going hard on Facebook now that lleras is being monitored. I'm literally getting 3 requests a day from chics. Create an account and put medellin as your home city and you will start to get friend suggestions from chics in medellin. I like slim and petite and there are an abundance of them in medellin. I would agree with you if you said sosua which is paradise for those that like fat chics.

Different people have different standards / tastes. I probably wouldn't take any interest in the woman in your inbox but if those girls make you happy enough to want to brag about here then I'm happy for you. Especially the ones cold reaching out to you. No worthwhile girl is actively reaching out to some unknown gringo on Facebook or, even better / modern, instagram.

Literally the only girl kinda worth while is the big titty lactating girl in bello and that's only because she's lactating liquid gold, otherwise this city sucks for putas now as it has been said by a few different reports here to which I should have taken the advice of.

[Huacho]

Yes, exactly. The difference is whether a woman is having sex with you because she actually wants to have sex with you, or if she is doing it in direct exchange for receiving something material. There is nothing wrong with either situation, but they are different.

I have spent about twelve years in Latin America and I think that just because a woman expects money, does not mean she does not actually want to have sex with you. They like sex and they like money. I have been in P4P relationships for as long as seven years and you get to where you can tell.

[Chico Bonito]

You are conflating not free with associated costs. If the radio station is giving away free tickets to the concert, let you tell it it is not free because you have pay for gas to get to the radio station to pick them up. Then you have to pay for gas to get to the concert, maybe pay for a new outfit, and pay parking at the venue. Those associated cost of using the tickets does not mean the tickets were not free.

Yes, exactly. The difference is whether a woman is having sex with you because she actually wants to have sex with you, or if she is doing it in direct exchange for receiving something material. There is nothing wrong with either situation, but they are different.

[Mr Enternational]

I have never entered a relationship or an interaction with the opposite sex thinking anything was free. Essentially, I'm paying so I can maintain my independence and owe no one anything. Anyone who believes being in a relationship is free is fooling themselves.

You are conflating not free with associated costs. If the radio station is giving away free tickets to the concert, let you tell it it is not free because you have pay for gas to get to the radio station to pick them up. Then you have to pay for gas to get to the concert, maybe pay for a new outfit, and pay parking at the venue. Those associated cost of using the tickets does not mean the tickets were not free.

Likewise it is not free to have a job. You have to buy a car with insurance to get there. Gas. Suits to wear. You have to pay for your lunch while you are there, among other things.

Hell, it would not even be free to sit in your house. You have to pay the rent, electric bill, lawnmover to cut the grass, the TV you want to watch, the food you want to eat, the water you want to wash clothes with, etc.

Having associated costs does not mean something is not free.

[MisterJam]

Wow this city sucks for putas now. Still nice weather wise even though it reached upwards of 80 which was strange but not unbearable. The metro is still convenient to get to the skate parks. But jeez do these girls suck. Haven't bothered to go to Poblado, but even ground zero sucks and independent girls advertising aren't that appealing. And new life is almost double the price given the price increase and exchange rate.

This city used to be awesome. I remember fucking soon to be famous girls for 20 $ USD (rabitdaly) and now its just ugly fat girls.

I'm not sure what you're doing wrong but my Facebook inbox is full of beautiful chics. They are really going hard on Facebook now that lleras is being monitored. I'm literally getting 3 requests a day from chics. Create an account and put medellin as your home city and you will start to get friend suggestions from chics in medellin. I like slim and petite and there are an abundance of them in medellin. I would agree with you if you said sosua which is paradise for those that like fat chics.

[Combo]

Facts! I 90% of the guys wouldn't have a chance if these chics didn't need their money. A few chics here have said they actually think we are stupid for paying for something they give away for free and when we pay more money than normal they think we are really stupid but guys really think they are doing something special.
You want to impress me then have her giving you money when you fuck her. SMH.

Probably more like > 95%. They give it away free to young studs roughly their own age. Of which there are plenty all around them.

You're right, those videos are misleading. And I think guys are inclined to believe those videos partly because of a preconceived belief that Westerners have a celebrity-like status in these other countries. Which guys might have seen depicted in movies, or heard from older men's travel stories from the past. And videos like the ones you mentioned keep that legend alive.

My theory on these guys is they get some vicarious pleasure or titillation by making these videos. It's asinine and possibly even dangerous (eg Cuba Dave).

[PolloNegro]

The last women who did something for me without expecting anything in return were my mother, my aunts, and my sisters. Other than them, every woman I've ever interacted with—especially in a sexual nature—expected something back, whether it was time, money, or a favor. At this point in my life, I'm just not willing to agree to those terms anymore.

Maybe it's me, maybe it's my philosophy, or maybe it's my mindset—but one thing I can tell you is that ever since I started paying for sex, no one has expected anything from me after it's over.

​I've had zero arguments with women, zero confrontations, and zero accusations. You are here to give me sex, I'm here to give you money, you go your way, and I go my way. An even swap is not a swindle.

​I don't know why men get so upset with other men who pay for sex. I had a wife, and at the end of the day, when she was tired of my ass, she was able to take me to the river and clean me out for everything I had at the time. Thank God I was able to bounce back.

​Like I said before, when a man pays for sex—or when I pay for sex—I no longer have to argue or debate with the woman. Once the deal is set and both parties agree, when the deed is done, she goes her way and I go mine.

​Please explain to me what the problem is with this. I can honestly say that ever since I started paying for sex, I no longer have disagreements with the opposite sex. They know what's expected, I know what's expected of me, and everything turns out fine. An even swap is no swindle. Stay vigilant. PN!

[PolloNegro]

Even when I was a child, my mother always made me aware of three of the most important things you can have in this lifetime: you need to get an education, keep some money, and maintain a way to make money. Those three gifts and warnings my mother bestowed upon me have directly shaped the life I live and the person I am.

As long as I am educated, have money, and have a way to make money, I don't care what a woman or anyone else does. I have never entered a relationship or an interaction with the opposite sex thinking anything was free. Essentially, I'm paying so I can maintain my independence and owe no one anything. Anyone who believes being in a relationship is free is fooling themselves.

I was married once, and financially, it was a disaster. Once I got out of that marriage and bounced back, I vowed I would never do that again. So why would I go to another country and think anything is free? As my mother and father used to say, 'There's nothing free in this life but death and taxes—and clearly, both of those are extremely expensive at this point. Stay vigilant. PN!

[JohnMong]

Wow this city sucks for putas now. Still nice weather wise even though it reached upwards of 80 which was strange but not unbearable. The metro is still convenient to get to the skate parks. But jeez do these girls suck. Haven't bothered to go to Poblado, but even ground zero sucks and independent girls advertising aren't that appealing. And new life is almost double the price given the price increase and exchange rate.

This city used to be awesome. I remember fucking soon to be famous girls for 20 $ USD (rabitdaly) and now its just ugly fat girls.

[Chico Bonito]

But we know in videos like some guy on the street who does not even speak Spanish is showing chicks walking by in club clothes and he goes up to get her number saying how easy it was, that those are prostitutes, while some other guy that has never been anywhere thinks his luck will be the same. Then they show up confused about why the chick would be asking for money and they do not want to pay.

You're right, those videos are misleading. And I think guys are inclined to believe those videos partly because of a preconceived belief that Westerners have a celebrity-like status in these other countries. Which guys might have seen depicted in movies, or heard from older men's travel stories from the past. And videos like the ones you mentioned keep that legend alive.

[Combo]

It did used to be like that, though. 20 to 25 years ago, my attractiveness, my outgoing nature, and my foreignness (is that a real word? ), especially my foreignness, made it very easy for me to pick up girls in countries like Brazil and Chile and elsewhere. Girls interested in romance and adventure, not in getting paid for their time / bodies. Normal girls openly flirting, catcalling me on the street, and giving doggy-dinner-bowl-look just from hearing my accent. Especially in small towns, but even in big cities like Rio too. It really did feel like foreigners who had at least a little bit of game were God's gift to women in these places.

It feels like times have changed now, and foreigners are no longer seen as so exotic as before in most places. A combination of overexposure to tourists and expats, overexposure to the outside world through social media, and more materialistic mindsets.

(Granted, I still get normal women in Colombia openly flirting with me sometimes, but it's usually by fatties or by older women who have hit the wall).

Same for me up to 20-25 years ago. But we all get old and youth generally correlates with attractiveness. I can't pick up hot-looking young women in the USA Anymore, so I'm not going to be able to do it in Colombia or Brazil.

[PolloNegro]

At some clubs like La Isla, you can ask them for 2000 pesos bills and they will give you a stack. Very convenient.

When I first started traveling to Medellin and visiting strip clubs, I would get as many numbers as possible. I would call the girls, and they'd always return my calls. I always had a girl from Fase Dos and an Instagram model on call. It was never a problem; for 700,000 pesos, I could get girls to stay at my house for six or seven hours and do whatever I wanted. Even the Instagram models—like the famous one with the bow-tie tattoos on the back of her legs—would come to my Airbnb anytime I called. She'd be there within an hour and stay for at least six hours.

​Every time I touched down in Medellin, I had a stripper or an Instagram model at my place all week long, every single day.

​But after actually moving to Medellin, learning the culture, and getting immersed in my neighborhood, I realized I'd rather just be in my local area than rent an Airbnb and host Instagram models or strippers from Fase Dos. After living here, I realized the strip clubs and the dancers just aren't my cup of tea. I prefer being around normal girls—and honestly, the normal girls offer much better rates than the strippers or Instagram models anyway. Stay vigilant. PN!

[GringoLoko]

At some clubs like La Isla, you can ask them for 2000 pesos bills and they will give you a stack. Very convenient.

Agreed. At the strip clubs you can ask a waiter / staff for 2000 pesos bills. I exchange a 50 mil every time I go to one. They'll probably cut you a little short and give you 20 two mill pesos instead of 25 to keep the rest and they'll still ask you for a tip for doing it smh.