Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Blood Red]

You prefer Ukraine under dictator, criminal Putin? But Ukrainians don t, when they are so courageous.

I have nothing but respect for Ukrainians. They are brave and fight valiantly with honor and dignity. I am opposed to the filthy Nazi regime in Kiev and the beggar in Kiev whose term has long expired.

I would like to see a neutral, prosperous Ukraine, like it was before the western backed coup in 2014. When Ukraine was intact. When Crimea was with Ukraine. When there was no war.

[Blood Red]

Sounds like you are paving the path for aggression of Russia towards Finland, because it gave up neutrality.

Oh, but Finland now in NATO, thus Putin might buckle down. UA was not fast enough to join NATO, obviously.

Nice selective quoting.

Read up on history. How many times did NATO expand post 1991? How many expansions did the Russians tolerate, despite the assurance that there would be no NATO expansion before the SU collapsed?

What were the red lines? Clearly Georgia was one. Look what happened to Georgia in 2008. Today there are 2 independent republics in Georgia, and the government in power now is smart and realizes the mistake that was made in the past. Russia clobbered Georgia in 2008.

The brightest of all red lines was Ukraine joining NATO. That would have meant war and that's exactly what happened. So I don't know why you like to bring up Finland. Pay attention to what the red lines were.

And like I said, Ukraine will never ever join NATO.

So again I ask, was all this worth it for Ukraine? Can any Pro Ukrainian here honestly answer that?

[Reiner Otto]

Ukraine joining NATO is what brought this whole tragic war on.

Sounds like you are paving the path for aggression of Russia towards Finland, because it gave up neutrality.

Oh, but Finland now in NATO, thus Putin might buckle down. UA was not fast enough to join NATO, obviously.

[Sirioja]

I said Ukraine will never join NATO and you bring up Finland. Ukraine joining NATO is what brought this whole tragic war on. And Ukraine will end up a destroyed dysfunctional rump state that never joins NATO. So why was neutrality so bad? If Ukraine had stayed neutral, if the collective west hadn't imposed the coup in 2014, Ukraine would be intact. Crimea would be with Ukraine. All of the Donbas and Kherson and Zaporizhia would be with Ukraine. There would be no war.

Putin dream to make again USSR. He didn't respect what he signed. We can t trust him, same than for Trump.

[Blood Red]

This is pure Russian disinformation. Every statement in this is a lie. The poster is paid by Russian IRA or ASD.

You have no argument.

[John Clayton]

I said Ukraine will never join NATO and you bring up Finland. Ukraine joining NATO is what brought this whole tragic war on. And Ukraine will end up a destroyed dysfunctional rump state that never joins NATO. So why was neutrality so bad? If Ukraine had stayed neutral, if the collective west hadn't imposed the coup in 2014, Ukraine would be intact. Crimea would be with Ukraine. All of the Donbas and Kherson and Zaporizhia would be with Ukraine. There would be no war.

This is pure Russian disinformation. Every statement in this is a lie. The poster is paid by Russian IRA or ASD.

[Paulie97]

if the collective west hadn't imposed the coup in 2014, Ukraine would be intact. Crimea would be with Ukraine. All of the Donbas and Kherson and Zaporizhia would be with Ukraine. There would be no war.

Yanukovych fled Kyiv after signing an EU deal for early elections. Parliament, including members of his own party, voted three hundred twenty-eight to zero to remove him the next day because he'd abandoned his post. That's not a coup, it's what happens when a president runs away.

[Blood Red]

But Finlands (now NATO) border with RF is longer than UAs.

Thus, Putler "succeeded" already to extend Russias borders with NATO members.

Or will he attack Finland, next, because of joining NATO?

But probably he remembers Russias imperialistic fights against them in the past, and how hard that was.

I said Ukraine will never join NATO and you bring up Finland. Ukraine joining NATO is what brought this whole tragic war on. And Ukraine will end up a destroyed dysfunctional rump state that never joins NATO. So why was neutrality so bad? If Ukraine had stayed neutral, if the collective west hadn't imposed the coup in 2014, Ukraine would be intact. Crimea would be with Ukraine. All of the Donbas and Kherson and Zaporizhia would be with Ukraine. There would be no war.

[Sirioja]

Ukraine will get destroyed while 'resisting'. I guess the EU and the collective west is okay with that.

Until the last Ukrainian, right?

You prefer Ukraine under dictator, criminal Putin? But Ukrainians don t, when they are so courageous.

[Xpartan]

Why is the kremlin wasting the money it doesn't have to keep disseminating ridiculous two-bit lies?

I think four reasons.

1. the kremlin is dumb. Like really, seriously dumb. Something, the Rusophiles here and everywhere simply can't comprehend.

2. The worse their 4. 5-year-old idiotic war is going (remember Kyiv in three days, LOL?) -- the more needs to scare the "collective West".

3. Six weeks till their so-called elections.

4. Upcoming fall mobilization is coming right after the elections. More distractions are needed so the meatballs don't roll away before they come for them.

But why would they pay their dedicated propacondoms to spread their BS on the fucking mongering forum, of all places, you ask?

Number 1 is why.

[Reiner Otto]

Funny thing is, Ukraine will never ever join NATO.

But Finlands (now NATO) border with RF is longer than UAs.

Thus, Putler "succeeded" already to extend Russias borders with NATO members.

Or will he attack Finland, next, because of joining NATO?

But probably he remembers Russias imperialistic fights against them in the past, and how hard that was.

[Blood Red]

Zelensky is not illegal according to Ukrainian constitution and despite corruption, Ukrainians know he has balls since more than 4 years versus war criminal and dictator Putin. Incredible how Ukraine is resisting versus big powerful Russia of Putin who loves deaths.

Ukraine will get destroyed while 'resisting'. I guess the EU and the collective west is okay with that.

Until the last Ukrainian, right?

[Blood Red]

It would've been wise for Ukraine to have stayed neutral like Austria. But the EU and the collective west made sure that didn't happen, and now you have the death of Ukraine in front of you. Funny thing is, Ukraine will never ever join NATO.

[Sirioja]

Ukraine has hardly any interceptor missiles. The last few strikes on Kiev have seen zero interception. But hey, as long as Ukraine strikes civilian targets like beaches and Wildberries, it means Ukraine is winning right? This is a death sentence for Ukraine. The illegal president of Ukraine thinks he can escalate. Let him. The Russians will destroy Ukraine, and I mean destroy it. And that is an enormous tragedy. Just imagine if the EU / USA had not staged that coup in 2014. Crimea would be part of Ukraine. Donbas would be part of Ukraine. There would be no war.

Zelensky is not illegal according to Ukrainian constitution and despite corruption, Ukrainians know he has balls since more than 4 years versus war criminal and dictator Putin. Incredible how Ukraine is resisting versus big powerful Russia of Putin who loves deaths.

[Reiner Otto]

This I agree with. But in all fairness, those nukes belonged to the SU and Russia was the inheritor, which is why Belarus, Kazakhstan, etc also returned the nukes to the rightful owner, which was Russia.

The memoranda, signed in Patria Hall at the Budapest Congress Center with US Ambassador Donald M. Blinken amongst others in attendance, prohibited Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations". As a result of the memorandum and other agreements, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.

Why was this agreement necessary for the "inheritor", then?

May be, Kazakhstan now is afraid, of Putler, too.

UA had the tech, not the money, though, at that time, to deploy the warheads with missiles, built in UA. Like the ones, which were intended to be stationed on Cuba.

No need for Russian controls. Only the fissible material of the warheads was required for UA.