Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[SubCmdr]

So is your apartment building, my apartment building, likely almost every apartment building and house in Thailand over the past several decades and every hotel building in Thailand a "Prostitution Establishment" that is sure to be closed down and virtually everyone in them as well as the owners of them arrested, charged, tried, convicted, sentenced fined / imprisoned for this "not legal" act of prostitution any minute now?

Any business in Thailand that announces and all easily observable evidence is that it is "used for the purpose of prostitution and where acts of prostitution regularly occur" can and sometimes will be closed down and / or the owners arrested. That's why the formerly named Dr. BJ's Salon in Bangkok changed its name to Wood Bar.

But, remember, the closure and arrests can not be motivated merely by the impression of some casual observer, zealous "prostitution is not legal in Thailand" proponent on ISG or anyone who reads his posts and gets riled up by his repeated message who calls the cops on them and demands they be closed down for it. The police have to arrive on the scene and observe them for a while themselves and see if it really is such an establishment.

As it happens, almost every time the police show up in Nana Plaza, Pattaya's Walking Street and the various bars and shops around Thailand, and even when the police shacks, strolls and stations are located right there in the midst of them, all they ever see and hear going on in those places is people drinking, enjoying the sight of exotic dancing, making new friends, getting a therapeutic massage and stuff like that. Rarely do they ever see or hear "evidence" that those businesses are being used for prostitution or that any sex in exchange for money is happening in them.

But if there is a sign outside a building or business you encounter in Thailand saying anything like, "Get your red hot fucks and blowjobs right here for 1,000 baht and up!" or the ladies outside are shouting a message like that at passersby, let us all know here at least a few weeks before you report them to the police please.

Other then being posted by a International Trick lay person who does not have grasp on basic legal principles, this is the best post ever written to confirm the idea that Prostitution is NOT Legal in Thailand. Thank you for your support.

[SubCmdr]

Use Thai Friendly wrong and you will end up violating Section 7 of The Act.

Section 7. Any person who advertises or agrees to advertise, induces or introduces by means of documents or printed matters, or by any means makes known to the public in a manner apparently indicative of importunity or solicitation for the prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of six months to two years or to a fine of ten thousand to forty thousand Baht or to both.

Example Thai girl in Pattaya opens a Thai Friendly profile in the Pattaya area. She writes in her profile description "looking for ST" she may write the price or may not. Then gives her lime ID or maybe not. Man sends her a message saying he accepts and asks how much if he does not know an already. The girls says 1000 Baht. Boom! Section 7 law is broken.

2nd example. Lady pays Fiw Fans to allow her to place an advertisement. Then she places an ad with a girls photo with a description of services, how much and a location with phone number or or Line ID. Boom! Section 7 law is broken. This is law is in the act so it is considered prostitution in the eyes of Thai law. Further, the client shows up at an hotel on Ratchada soi 7 and pays the girl in the room. The guy then confirms what service he wants, offers an extra 500 Baht for BBFS and the lady agrees. The hotel in question has 10 other rooms rented by other ladies and of course is aware of the services being provided in their hotel. The hotel now is considered a prostitution establishment. Boom! Section 6 law is also broken.

These laws are all in the PREVENTION AND SUPPRESSION OF PROSTITUTION ACT be. E. 2539 (1996) and in the eyes of Thai law all fall under the definition of prostitution or they would not be in this act.

Final thoughts. Guess what? These examples are real cases that I am aware of first hand. Secondly, do you think every prostitution case ends up in the news? Absolutely not. Otherwise the news would be full of these reports every single day..

[Mr Enternational]

Interesting article on aseannow yesterday.

Thailand's sex trade remains illegal, but its presence is highly visible.

Surang Janyam, director of the Service Workers in Group Foundation, known as Swing, said the country has more than 200,000 sex workers. The majority are in Bangkok and Pattaya, she said.

Pattaya is estimated to be home to more than 50,000 sex workers. The scale of its night-time economy is believed to generate between 100 billion and 200 billion baht each year.

Royal Thai Police data show that 19,648 people were arrested for offences under the prostitution law in 2023, down from 38, 139 arrests in 2022.

Under the 2022 Act on the Imposition of Regulatory Fines, offences under Section 5 of the prostitution law are punishable only by fines and are no longer treated as criminal offences. Authority to impose the fines was transferred from police to officials under the Social Development and Human Security Ministry.

https://aseannow.com/thailand-news/t...w+after+murder

[SubCmdr]

If the difference in economic status makes it easy for you, and you want to give a chunk of money to help a non-hooker girl you have grown to like, it is in cases like this much better to give a nice thai gold bracelet of some kind. Can say something nice, and "for a rainy day", so she will not feel any shame in selling it.
In Thailand she will get almost all the money you paid for it back as cash whenever she wants, especially if you give her the accompanying certificate, and it will not make a normal girl feel like hooker.

Funny how times have changed. When I gave gold to a very important person to me and reported about it. Here is just one of the responses I received.

And keep buying gold for your ex-bargirl. I'm sure she'll buy you an occasional gold gift worth 2% of what you bought her you ignorant fuck.

Now what I did and reported about all those years back is suddenly a good idea. ROTFLMAO!

[EihTooms]

EihTooms' definition of a Prostitution Establishment is incorrect.

What is a Prostitution Establishment?

A prostitution establishment, is defined as any building, structure, or place used for the purpose of prostitution or where acts of prostitution regularly occur.

Two excellent examples of illegal prostitution occurring. Thank you for making my point.

Section 6

Any person who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month or to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht or to both.

If the offence under paragraph one is committed on account of compulsion or under an influence which cannot be avoided or resisted, the offender is not guilty.

The purpose of ISG is to share information on having sex with girls. The question: Is Prostitution Legal in Thailand. The answer: No, it is NOT legal in Thailand.

So is your apartment building, my apartment building, likely almost every apartment building and house in Thailand over the past several decades and every hotel building in Thailand a "Prostitution Establishment" that is sure to be closed down and virtually everyone in them as well as the owners of them arrested, charged, tried, convicted, sentenced fined / imprisoned for this "not legal" act of prostitution any minute now?

Any business in Thailand that announces and all easily observable evidence is that it is "used for the purpose of prostitution and where acts of prostitution regularly occur" can and sometimes will be closed down and / or the owners arrested. That's why the formerly named Dr. BJ's Salon in Bangkok changed its name to Wood Bar.

But, remember, the closure and arrests can not be motivated merely by the impression of some casual observer, zealous "prostitution is not legal in Thailand" proponent on ISG or anyone who reads his posts and gets riled up by his repeated message who calls the cops on them and demands they be closed down for it. The police have to arrive on the scene and observe them for a while themselves and see if it really is such an establishment.

As it happens, almost every time the police show up in Nana Plaza, Pattaya's Walking Street and the various bars and shops around Thailand, and even when the police shacks, strolls and stations are located right there in the midst of them, all they ever see and hear going on in those places is people drinking, enjoying the sight of exotic dancing, making new friends, getting a therapeutic massage and stuff like that. Rarely do they ever see or hear "evidence" that those businesses are being used for prostitution or that any sex in exchange for money is happening in them.

But if there is a sign outside a building or business you encounter in Thailand saying anything like, "Get your red hot fucks and blowjobs right here for 1,000 baht and up!" or the ladies outside are shouting a message like that at passersby, let us all know here at least a few weeks before you report them to the police please.

[SubCmdr]

You can find them along Beach Road early in the evening or late at night after 2 am, but the quality and attitude can be hit or miss for that price point. However, with 2000 baht for ST and 4500 baht for LT, though, the pool of available options expands quite a bit.

In my opinion those are some crazy numbers and would never pay that to a princess standing under palm tree. To each their own!

I got 18 year olds off of Thai Friendly taking all that I have to give them for 1000 Short Time. Why? Because they want to experience what it's like to be with a Strong Black Man!

I'm looking for my garden tools!

[SubCmdr]

The purpose of ISG is to share information about having sex with girls.

Let me know when you get to my level, boy.

Here we have another homosexual talking about a boy. I have no reason to want to be on your level. Considering how low it is over all.

You only got tossed out of the Dominican republic last year.

Shows your memory is gone. 1. Never got tossed out of the Dominican Republic. 2. Been posting about Thailand for well over a minute.

I've been here posting about Bangkok under this name or another since this forum started,

Nobody gives a fuck about your historical ruminations about your glory days. Maybe you posted useful information then. Today you post nothing of use. Probably because of your mental and medical conditions. People want current information. Like the posts I make.

better catch up with your endless pontifications and diatribes about your dick.

No need to catch up to someone so far behind me I cannot even see them in the rear view mirror.

They are all good depending on what you feel like eating. Rip the bong, gorge on lobster, prime rib and cheesecake, then burp and go to sleep. The beauty of being older and living in se Asia.

See, here is proof. Talking about a buffet is some serious old man male bovine excrement! But I understand why you do it. Using your mouth is the only way you get pleasure today.

I flew into BKK last year just to eat in a buffet. Mongering was an afterthought.

Uh huh! Just what I thought.

If you are what you eat does that mean that you are pussy!

[Nyezhov]

This explains why he provided absolutely no useful information about International Trickin!!

Let me know when you get to my level, boy. You only got tossed out of the Dominican republic last year. I've been here posting about Bangkok under this name or another since this forum started, better catch up with your endless pontifications and diatribes about your dick.

[SubCmdr]

Neither a massage shop, nor a gogo bar, nor a beer bar is recognized by the authorities as "a prostitution establishment" unless there is some blatantly obvious sign for it hanging over the door or the ladies are outside shouting, "Get your red hot fucks and blowjobs right here!

EihTooms' definition of a Prostitution Establishment is incorrect.

What is a Prostitution Establishment?

A prostitution establishment, is defined as any building, structure, or place used for the purpose of prostitution or where acts of prostitution regularly occur.

Now, on a related matter, over the years of living in Thailand I have known owners and operators of a Massage / Spa / Blow Job Bar and a Happy Ending Massage Shop quite well. The Farang and Thai owners of them. Right in ground zero for P4 P in Bangkok, minutes walks from BTS Nana and Sukhumvit / Asoke. I have asked them about these "bribes" they supposedly must surely pay the police or the government in order to stay open and run their businesses where, coincidently, despite their businesses offering therapeutic massage to the public, it turns out some of their staff make discreet and private agreements to exchange various forms of sex for money.

Both of them said they have never paid anyone a bribe to stay open and run their little therapeutic massage shops. And they have never been approached by anyone in authority asking for or demanding such a "bribe". But those are only two examples.

Two excellent examples of illegal prostitution occurring. Thank you for making my point.

Section 6

Any person who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month or to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht or to both.

If the offence under paragraph one is committed on account of compulsion or under an influence which cannot be avoided or resisted, the offender is not guilty.

The purpose of ISG is to share information on having sex with girls. The question: Is Prostitution Legal in Thailand. The answer: No, it is NOT legal in Thailand.

[Pokler]

Because This Is Thailand. I suppose you will not be partaking in the services of any hookers on your trip either, since that is illegal and I am neither going to bail you out nor cover your 750 K in lost wages.

Good one. For that I'll take full responsibility.

[EihTooms]

Why don't you produce a legal opinion from a member of the bar of Thailand that supports your position?

AI Summery

https://www.thethailandlife.com/prostitution-thailand

Your A. I. Summary links to the same Thai Penal Code I have linked to countless times and from which no one can find a sentence in any paragraph of any Section that states Prostitution between consenting adults to be a crime or punishable by any penalty whatsoever. So I have no idea what the non Thai bar exam graduates that compiled that A. I. Summary mean by "illegal" or "technically illegal. " Do you? Possibly they mean it the same way I have suggested it means similar to Smiling While Driving not being "legal" because, after all, the Thai government has made no effort to "legalize" it. Which, of course, is an irrelevant point with regard to this hobby or punters and mongers on this site.

Otherwise, your quoted A. I. Summary links to The Thai Penal Code, every word of which agrees with my position on it and also leans heavily on the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act of 1996, which also fully supports my position on it.

Weirdly, even that link only provides a pdf file to download and read. But the Abstract/Citation of it clearly supports my position on it until or unless someone does finally unearth a heretofore undiscovered by Judge, Attorney, Police or anyone else "gotcha" that neither your A. I. Summary nor the linked Thai Penal Code nor the PSP Act state.

Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, be. E. 2539 (1996).

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Abstract / Citation

Prohibits prostitution, both male and female, in public places and brothels, and sets penalty for offering sexual services at a fine of 1000 Baht. Also prohibits advertisement for and procurement of prostitutes as well as ownership or management of brothels. Penalizes persons who conduct sexual relations with a prostitute under 18 years of age with imprisonment of up to 2 years; if the prostitute is a child less than 15, the term of imprisonment shall be up to 6 years. Procurement of prostitutes under the age of 18, including by owners of brothels, parents and legal guardians, shall be punishable with up to 20 years of imprisonment. If parents or legal guardians are party to procurement of a child prostitute, a court may also withrdraw legal custody of the child. Persons who force another person into prostitution through violence or intimidation shall be punishable with up to 20 years of imprisonment; if such actions result in injury or death, punishment shall be life imprisonment or execution. The Act also establishes a Committee for Protection and Development of Occupation (P. The. O.) which shall prescribe and implement policies for the eradication of prostitution. Also provides for the establishment of rehabilitation institutions known as the Place for First Receiving, and the Place for Protection and Development of Occupation. The Place for First Receiving shall receive persons convicted for prostitution and assess their mental and physical health, as well as their aptitudes. Convicted prostitutes may then be sentenced to the Place for Protection and Development, which shall provide occupational training and rehabilitation. Repeals the Prostitution Suppression Act, be. E. 2503.

If my copy and paste of the above source for the PSP Act does not work, please go to the SubCmder post I quoted and tap on it there. For whatever reason Thailand has made accessing that Act and freely sharing the pertinent Sections, paragraphs and whole sentences of it a major challenge. In this case I copy and pasted the link to it as SubCmdr posted it and it went through a strange transformation into a non working link. LOL.

But no matter. I was still able to copy and paste the Abstract / Citation of it here before it went through its transformation, as you can see.

And as you can also see, there is no "gotcha" that makes what we and our P4 P ladies do in terms of exchanging money for sex and sex for money with consenting adults over the age of 18 in Thailand subject to arrest, a crime or punishable by any penalty whatsoever.

[EihTooms]

So prostitution is illegal does that mean you are going to stop participating in the hiring of prostitutes in Pattaya? Or are you okay with breaking the law since they don't enforce it? I think you just enjoy pounding the shit out of senor Smoothie?

I used to agree with EihTooms but after finally reading the code everyone keeps posting I saw the one gotcha that makes it illegal. Section 6 . , or anyone "who provides or receives commercial sexual services in any place", is subject to a fine. That blows his between consenting adults in private idea.

Which Section 6 are you referring to and where?

The pertinent citations in The Thai Penal Code run from Section 276 to Section 281.

The pertinent selections in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act of 1996 is where a Section 6 can be found. This is where being able to select, copy and paste individual Sections, paragraphs and sentences would come in handy. But Thailand in its wisdom has only seen fit to offer that Act in a pdf file where that option is either not available on Android devices or, frankly, a process too complicated on an Android device for me to bother.

However, I have included a screenshot below of the page where Section 6 appears. Again. I have zoomed in and read it. I have typed out what it says. I don't see where it says what you say it says:

Section 6

Any person who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month or to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht or to both.

If the offence under paragraph one is committed on account of compulsion or under an influence which cannot be avoided or resisted, the offender is not guilty.

Now, perhaps you meant Section 8, where the "concept" of your point is addressed but the critical qualifier words and meaning that I have included almost every time, between consenting adults, is missing in your quote but very much present in Section 8 of the Act, if that is the Section to which you were referring.

The missing words in your quote;.

"against a person over fifteen but not over eighteen years of age in a prostitution establishment"

Then, not surprisingly, it goes on to cite an even greater penalty for committing that crime against someone "not over fifteen years of age. ".

However, you see what is missing in both of those Sections though, right? Yep. If you guessed any reference at all to a crime being committed or a penalty levied if the sex occurs with someone over the age of eighteen, even in an otherwise forbidden "prostitution establishment", then you are certainly right about that, Sir!

Otherwise, nope. Close, but no cigar. Well, actually not even close. But any cigar you smoke at this point you will have to buy for yourself.

Is there perhaps another Section in another Code or Act that you can link here and quote from in its entirety or at least the whole sentence where you saw that alleged "gotcha"?

[Mr Enternational]

If they are the real thing then they are selling under the radar contrary to new laws. So it'll be up to me to buy them and assume any risks with my eyes wide open.

Because This Is Thailand. I suppose you will not be partaking in the services of any hookers on your trip either, since that is illegal and I am neither going to bail you out nor cover your 750 K in lost wages.

[SubCmdr]

I flew into BKK last year just to eat in a buffet. Mongering was an afterthought.

This explains why he provided absolutely no useful information about International Trickin!!

[SubCmdr]

They are actually not my words. But they words from a respected law firm in Thailand: Siam Legal.

In light of the evolving legal landscape surrounding prostitution in Thailand, it is advisable to exercise caution before participating in any activities related to the sex industry in the country.

https://www.siam-legal.com/thailand-...l-in-thailand/

The Defense Rests!