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08-28-26 19:39 #15345Yes, it's how I had a long time impression that Chinese girls were low service. They were never going for repeat customers, so they didn't try enough. 20 years later in the US, friends told me that some of them were actually not that bad. But I found out they meant the older pre-MILF Chinese girls. The girls in their 30s and aunties in their 40s. People generally agree the older cgirls have skills and service, they even offer bb. Just close your eyes.
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Nowadays, the younger Chinese girls at least LFK and the ones who make it to the US know to have a good attitude. But the good ones are all expensive.
Gingira
I will now review Gingira Kurea. She is a very petite and young girl, face is nice, very chill, very DTF and submissive. Pussy high tier. Small tits, big round ass. She is very foreigner friendly.
Gingira Kurea (jgirl) - HYA. Young, 20s, petite, well-proportioned, white skin with light bikini tan on ass. Great round ass, A or B cup tits, maybe 5'2", straight stylish hair. Submissive, very supportive and patient, would repeat.
https://gingira.jp/profile/KUREA Gingira Kurea Ad
If you are respectful and clean, every option may be open. Her ask is reasonable and repeat friendly, but I don't know what others get.
Note that with the above Gingira link, you can replace KUREA with any name (ex: NANASE) to go straight to a girl you like. KUREA is full circle for international customer, anyone who wants a tiny girl with big ass, small tits, good young face is welcome.
I'll quote the Introduction to Japan Guide with related info bolded:
Reading Gingira's Website Originally Posted by Traveler X
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I'll point out that Gingira is open 11am to 7am. Yes, 20 hours a day. If it's hot during the daytime or you are jet lagged, it is nice. TAE is similarly able to do this. But keep in mind each individual girl has a fixed schedule so your selection changes. The weekday booker and weekend booker can be different, and it helps to confirm your appointment if there is any ambiguity. Since one booker might be better at English and you need to communicate clearly.
First two attachments is an example chart showing what a girl offers, with a translation. For International Customer Circle means okay, Triangle means "depends", X means no.
Next is an ad for GGR Kurea. It is very close and she is A- Looks B Service, which makes her equivalent to Rayne K or Chanel2 level. She is $233 HR including delivery fees (if you are in Shinjuku it is slightly cheaper). That's about 70% the cost of the US even after the Gingira foreigner tax. The main advantage of Japan is you have such a huge selection that you can just repeat ATFs nonstop. This gets you better value than just the rate discount. A few of the Gingira girls could charge full premium in the US, but most of them stick to Japan so you'll have to fly over to see them.
Next is how the available girls list might look. It is always changing. T160 means the girl's height is 160 cm (5'3"), so Iroha is a bit short and a spinner. It means if you want a tall girl, you scan and see T170 Sia. If you want a shorter girl, you see T150 Kamira. Iroha is 84(D) which is her bust size. Japan's cup sizes are 1 size too big at least and they exaggerate by another 0-2 cup sizes, so we subtract 1 more to adjust. So, D cup goes to B cup and she is maybe a 33(B) by estimate. Next note Iroha's schedule. 12:00-18:00 means 12pm to 6pm, get used to 24hr 'military time' in Japan. The last image shows the cup size translation.
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08-28-26 15:37 #15344Yes, 100%. Originally Posted by RarityMan
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Remember what Marcus Aurelius said: "When in Rome, buy sex from the Romans!"
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08-28-26 00:41 #15343That's what I don't like about Chinese girls in the sex industry. You almost always get worse service compared to Japanese or Korean girls. DFK is rare among Chinese sex workers, which is the bare minimum for most Japanese girls. Originally Posted by TravelerX
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08-26-26 16:44 #15342
TX, seriously you deserve a special award for all the information you post.
Oh I dl'd My Secret Life several years ago, it's the decades long journal of a Victorian Era gentleman's sex life, is it not?
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08-26-26 09:58 #15341Civlian Nampa ONS Originally Posted by Darell421
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Nampa = picking up a girl, ONS = One night stand
To summarize picking up civilian women, go to Shibuya's Hub and/or the club area of Dogenzaka Friday or Saturday night. Bring your A game, talk to many women and move on if you aren't compatible. Don't come on too strong or too fast. If you have either Looks (handsome) or Service (good at talking), you can do it. As a guy, I leaned Service but had enough of both. I somehow actually talked girls into going back to my hotel room. I paid attention to what they said, their personality, and what they liked - I gave them what they liked. But as a rule, I could do so because I talked with many girls, and if a girl actually liked me I would keep talking with her more. If not, I said "nice to meet you" move on immediately.
Like kgirls, as we get older our Looks go down and our Service goes up.
Vibe Checking
This is a most basic principle of meeting women. Even if my Looks were C Tier, some girl out there thinks I'm A-Tier while another girl thinks I'm E-Tier Looks. So, I simply keep talking to the girls who show me that I'm their type. Pay attention to it, it is Vibe Checking. To women, we men are up to taste. It's really as simple as that, and this is a universal rule even if you change cultures or swap genders.
The girls who liked me were all kinds of Asian including Viet, Filipino, and Korean. The club area attracts a whole variety, but the girls who show up there are way more open to foreigners on average. It usually took 30-60 minutes.
It's not necessarily easy, but about 10x to 30x easier than picking up civilians in the US. You gain about 3 Tiers, no matter your starting point. If you are "not ugly" looking, then your ONS odds go from almost 0% in the US to like 10% in the club district per night. If you are "actually okay" looking and know how to talk to women, your odds go from about 1% in the US to about 20% in Roppongi/Shibuya per night. And so on. At a certain point around S-Tier you reach about 100% success rate as long as you open your mouth and actually talk to a few women.
For example, I did bring an S-Tier Looks friend who had F-Tier Service and failed simply because he was too afraid to talk to even one single girl. I actually started talking to women for him asking them "What do you think of my friend? Is he cute?" and when they said yes (the rate was extremely high), I brought them in front of my friend and introduced her. He was so nervous he couldn't say a word with her. Come on!
Whereas, I did wingman for another friend and he met his girlfriend. I literally introduced her to him and he told me a week later he was dating her. These friends were Japanese locals I knew from college days, and I'm just some guy who visited Japan a few times. Do you understand? A tourist from the US can have more game than Japanese locals and be their wingman. All my ONS pickups were done solo without any help, and I got bored so I invited friends to help them get laid.
Looks plus Service
It illustrates that if your Looks plus Service is sufficiently high level, you can even get other people laid as long as they lift a finger. I would talk with women and if they weren't into me but were hot, I would boldly ask her if she thought my friend was hot. I was Recycling hot women rather than tossing them aside. And if that girl said my friend was hot, I brought her over to him and put them together. And she knew the guy was not some weird bum / creep but my friend, which added initial rapport. It was Vibe Checking By Proxy that I did for them. In this way, the time I wasted talking to most girls did not actually go to waste.
I was not that great in the US at all, and I failed all the time there even though women did enjoy talking with me. They just did not want to ONS with me, and women in the US are shields up by default unless you are very hot. But like Goku training under 100x Earth's gravity, US nampa training toughened me to where Japan nampa was straightforward.
The way I got good at talking with women was strip clubs (US), oppai pubs (Japan), and non-stop practice. That's it. There is a lot of wrong info out there on social media. But back then, the one thing that was true was - just keep talking with women all the time. No different than learning a language, this is how you learn to hypnotize the women in Japan.
Next, a quick video on how to Nampa:
https://www.instagram.com/reels/DXIf31dEsNA/ True Nampa
The girl in this video has a similar style, voice, and way of talking as MH Yua, though Yua is taller.
It is a true art, this way of pickup is how I succeeded. It is the Service over Looks method for guys. As I said, don't come on too strong or too soon. Note in the video they speak casual Japanese, which is the ideal form to learn to talk with women you're interested in. Textbooks won't really teach full casual / slang (no different than curse words), you just have to learn it. What textbooks teach as casual does not cut it when flirting with women. But if you watch Japanese TV, movies, or bang enough Japanese women you'll figure it out.
ONS has to be same night
If you are truly doing a pickup, you should bang her that night. Your chances of banging her after a future date drop exponentially after each date. Some guys get stuck on that and it becomes pathetic. So if you notice that happening, have some self-respect and move on. Don't play ball with someone who keeps moving the goal posts. She's not that into you. Girls who are into you know to offer it up first or second date in Japan. But with nampa, ONS her first night don't even date her unless you are actually interested in her. But you have to make a clear choice, it is really hard to switch later on.
By the way, the book My Secret Life gives almost the same advice I'm giving. It was written almost 150 years ago and gives better insight into getting laid and P4P than any guide I've ever seen. It is how I learned and proven lot of tips I give today. Most of what you see today, they are just selling something and it's not very good.
I'm glad I did it nampa, but once you've gotten over the thrill I find it's way easier and time saving to just pay women if you have the money. I no longer have any interst in it, ONS is kind of a waste of time to me. But, I do enjoy talking with women still so the skills matter. I suppose I use those same skills to get along with jgirls and kgirls now.
I visited that street for nostalgia but it feels like 10 out of 10 of the clubs I used to walk past are gone, and so are the crowds. You don't hvae to enter a club, 2 out of 3 girls I picked up were just from talking to women on the street and only 1 was inside a club. Originally Posted by Traveler X
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The Shibuya Era
Roppongi is no longer the pick up place since so many clubs are gone. I hear Shibuya is the place now, and it's especially packed Friday or Saturday nights. All towards Dogenzaka. So when you sneak off for a TAE threesome or jerk off to HYA at Shibuya Galaxy (they are practically next to each other), you can plausibly say "I'm going clubbing" since the clubs are next to them too. I noticed many friends needed such tactics. I can only sigh and give them these tips.
If you do decide to stay Shibuya, some civilian stuff:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post3029642 Shibuya fun
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...5&d=1759372365 Sushi
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...7&d=1759372365 Steak on rice
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...0&d=1759372365 Church themed night club
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...3&d=1759372365 Cheap 5 course lunch
I don't date a jgirl just because I find her hot. But if I repeat her and get a sense she's actually my type and worth dating, then it's good to know options on where to take her nearby.
I like Sushi Zanmai lately because it is good while being cheap. It's nice enough to take jgirls on a date to without making it formal. It's where I took one Miyahouse girl. She doesn't go sushi a lot, but I had her order and it's kind of a way to get to know a girl when you watch how and what she orders.
I've eaten sushi in the US a lot and to me, a "casual but good" sushi place in Japan like Sushi Zanmai is 1/2 as cheap and 2x as good. So, 4x the Value. There is some dirt cheap sushi in Japan that's "not bad" that the US is going to beat, but that bottom tier sushi starts at a dollar piece. Again, maybe 3x the value but you get what you pay for. At the luxury end, you pay more but you get more. Maybe 2x the value of the US. It's not for me, but that's just my impression. For high end, I have good memories of French, Italian, Japanese, and lately Korean food. Another Miyahouse girl took me to one, it was amazing and priced accordingly.
The Douhan Shukkin section is if you want a sponsored shop date. I like it with Girls' Bar girls because it's cheaper and casual, but this is for girls you enjoy talking with and spending time with. Girls work Girls' Bars mainly to save their pussy from getting worn out, so I wouldn't expect it. Whereas Oppai Pubs and Hostess Bars, the chance of banging her are higher. But expensive. I was offered to take girls out from Oppai Pubs, but I don't think it's really worth it. I even had to write The Professionals PSA warning about Hostess bar girls and GPS. But I did do OTC with Red Dragon JAV girls. I think it isn't cost effective though, unless you are really into a girl and are an actual fan of her. Many girls are for just a date if they do it. Whereas Oppai Pub girls skew dtf, since several were open about it. But they wanted me to spend on them first. Originally Posted by Traveler X
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Rarity gave some details on Korean and Chinese. I haven't tried any in Japan in a long time, so I have no Intel on how to get it today. But I'll share some stories. Originally Posted by Darell421
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Long Ago
20 years ago, Korean and Chinese was the only fs I could reliably get. Shin Okubo was always where I met kgirls, it's basically the ktown of Tokyo. No surprise Rarity says it's the place for Koreans still.
Another ISG user introduced me to korgs there. Like korgs in the US, you have to screen or vouch for someone. It was the first time I experienced showering with a girl, and the girls were actually young and worth banging. You would sit in the living room watching TV with customers facing the girls. When you picked your girl, you'd ask her to go upstairs with you and you'd play with her. I typically paid for 2 shot which means I picked two girls (we'd go downstairs and I'd pick again). Then I found out 3 shot was possible and did that. It was really cheap, it something like 3.2k for 3 girls ($200). The girls were 20s and A to C Tier looks, about 1/2 Tier higher than TAE but below Gingira. But it was very cheap for multi-girl.
Chinese girls, you could go to Koganecho in Yokohama and it was a similar idea to Tobita except there was no mamasan or snack involved. It was 1k ($63) per girl. 95% of girls took 1k, and keep in mind it is about 15 minutes service. C or D Tier Service, occasionally E where the girl wanted you to finish quick and get out. But, you could pick the girl. The Mayor of Yokohama later campaigned to demolish Koganecho and he did. I once waved to him at Sakuragicho station as he was on his campaign bus, and he waved back at me. He later resigned after a hostess scandal, but the damage was done. I am not joking.
About 15 years ago, kgirl Delivery Health was all the rage. It was completely dominated by Korean girls, and Japanese girls were very rare. DH is a copy of the same system in Korea where it was common before it spread in Japan. Gradually, they figured out the ins and outs of the business and jgirls became more and more common until DH was mainly jgirls. Occasionally some Thai girls for massage delivery. If you look far back on this thread you can see all the guys obsessed with kgirl DH reviewing them and begging for intel on the best kgirls. If you look further back, you can see my report on Shin Okubo's korgs. So, it makes sense to me in the US when I hear of kgirls who used to work in Japan years ago. A few still do, but it's not that common.
For that matter, the first time I went to Korea I was told I could order DH there too. This was before it was a thing in Japan. You would for example order coffee or tea delivered for some nominal fee. If you didn't like the girl, you simply accepted the drink and she left. If you liked her, you negotiated for sex. This also allowed the girl to decide if she would offer it to you or not. That nominal fee is basically in line with the "delivery fee" or "taxi fee" you see with Japan's DH. In principle, you can turn away DH girls too for that fee. I can 100% confirm this is the case with Japanese locals, even the DH girl herself explained it. If you do it too often, they will ban you of course. Whereas, foreigner facing DH shops might refuse or ban you more freely since they can. Consider this a form of Reverse Door Knocking where the girl knocks your door (in the case of a love hotel delivery).
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08-25-26 20:13 #15340If you want to meet Chinese, go to Ikebukuro or Kinshicho. If you want to meet Koreans, go to New Okubo. How easy is it to pick up a girl is up to you, remember that these are the people that live in Japan long term, most of them speak Japanese and their native languages, English is not going to something they prioritize. So if you don't speak Japanese, it can be difficult for them to want to talk to you. Originally Posted by Darell421
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There are a few Japanese facing Chinese and Korean shops in Nippori and Uguisudani but I'm not sure if they will accept non-East Asians.
Nippori Dairyu (Chinese): https://fujoho.jp/index.php?p=shop&id=60532
All Nude (Koreans): https://all-nude.com/top.html.
Juicy-pang (Koreans&Japanese): https://juicy-pang.com/top.php
I recommend Juicy pang BTW, super legit, FS included in the price.
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08-25-26 17:42 #15339
Chinese / Korean?
I've been lurking on this fourm for a bit and had a few questions:
I know that the main allure is to find Japanese girls, however I would also be interested in Korean / Chinese girls for some novelty. On cityheaven it seems like there are very few if any shops that offer this variety. There are a few that have primarily Thai girls. Are there any agencies that have different ethnicities of girls? I can't imagine with such a developed industry there are not options in this space.
It seems on here most people suggest TAE, Gingira (which is not on cityheaven for some reason so no diaries of the girls). On reddit many suggest soaplands, but online the girls seem less cute to me. However, some of the shops e. G. Chloe, E+ Idol School have more of the thin, cute, GND girls that are more my type. There are a few asthetic / spa places on Cityheaven that have girls with diary pics which are the most suggestive. But, from my reading, it seems like these massage places are less likely to offer FS under the table?
Lastly, I know that it would be much higher effort, but I do think it would be hot to pick up a girl organically at a bar / club. I know the advice is to go to a HUB if this is the goal. If I will be on the west side of the city (Eblisu, Meguro, Shibuya) any specific HUB you would recommend? Or any more interesting bars to go to? My only concern is I have a short beard and I feel like this would be off putting to many women but I'd rather not shave it. I don't speak Japanese but have been trying to learn a few conversational phrases.
Appreciate the advice!
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08-25-26 14:13 #15338
Tokyo After Six Months Exploring Different Experiences in Tokyo
I've been living in Tokyo for about six months now, and during that time I've tried quite a few different experiences around the city.
From massage shops and adult entertainment venues to street-based services and door-to-door arrangements, I've had the chance to experience different options. So today, I wanted to share my personal experience with everyone.
First, massage shops.
The biggest advantage is the variety of choices. You can take your time looking at the different types of girls and choose someone you personally like. The experience is more focused on interaction, companionship, and creating a good atmosphere, so I think it's relatively easy for someone trying this kind of place for the first time.
Next are the semi-service massage shops.
The format is generally quite straightforward, usually starting with a massage followed by additional adult-oriented services. For people who prefer something simple and direct, this type of place can be pretty convenient.
As for street-based services, the prices are generally cheaper and there are quite a few options.
However, this is definitely an area where you need to be more careful because the chances of running into unreliable situations can be higher. If you're trying it for the first time, make sure you confirm everything clearly beforehand, including exactly what type of service and provider you're dealing with. If you personally don't mind different types, then of course that's another story.
Finally, there are door-to-door services, which are what I've personally become more interested in.
I think this is the type where having a reliable introducer makes the biggest difference.
I've tried several different providers over time. Some experiences were not great, while others were much more professional. After comparing and filtering through several options, the one I've continued working with is Hana Mitsu Kaku Tokyo & Osaka Premium Door-to-Door Service.
What I like most is that they offer a wider variety of Japanese women and can help match people according to their preferences rather than simply making a random arrangement.
The scheduling is also relatively flexible, with different time options available depending on what you're looking for.
And if you become a regular customer and build a good relationship with the introducer, there are also more options and arrangements that may become available.
So if you're planning to visit Tokyo soon, or you've been living in Tokyo like me and want to explore different experiences, I think the most important thing is:
Check the provider, make sure the introducer is reliable, and understand the arrangements clearly before deciding whether to try it.
After six months in Tokyo, my biggest takeaway is:
Tokyo definitely has no shortage of things to experience. The difficult part is finding what suits you and, most importantly, finding someone reliable.
One more thing: the introducer I've been working with also provides services in Osaka, so if you're traveling between Tokyo and Osaka, you can contact her as well.
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This is simply my personal experience after living in Tokyo for six months, shared for anyone planning to visit Tokyo or Osaka and looking for a reference.
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08-24-26 21:24 #15337
Tokyo Street Girls
I recognize the area around Okubo Hospital. What about other locations?
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1025976186830324
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08-19-26 19:05 #15336
I had a great time with Mio at Casanova Soapland in Tokyo. I had to contact over whatsapp to make an appointment and they suggested her of 3 that they showed. It was a good choice, Mio is cute and well built, but more importantly to me honestly her mat play skills were great and her cowgirl riding was even better. She had endless enthusiasm and stamina, to the point that she managed to ride three loads out of me in the 80 minutes, which is a lot for me. I did get the full mat play experience with rimming too, plus the hot bath and shower. We even had time for some talking and we shared a cold drink in between rounds 2 and 3. For 55000 Yen with guaranteed multiple pops I was really happy. Way better than what I used to get at why Shirt IMO.
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08-19-26 17:23 #15335
Kanzaki Rio at Tokyo Amateur Escort has been very reliable FS for me and one of my close friends in Tokyo this week, We couldn't make schedules match for 3 P but we both were able to score FS with her and compare notes. On my third repeat, I asked if she knew my friend and showed his picture and she was all SUGOI and laughing. So it seems like she would definitely be willing to do 3 P if we can get it together. I have been going in CFS with her just for safety but also it's 10 k cheaper. My friend said he went CFS first time and got BB on the second visit. So she is offering raw to at least some guys, maybe who she likes after repeat visits. Either way, good score, nice and friendly, enough English for what you need to do, and her body is one of the best I've seen this year anywhere in Tokyo.
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08-19-26 16:37 #15334All of the above, and more. Like, they won't run into their brother or neighbor and they can learn about other languages / cultures. Originally Posted by MassageLover81
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Ask yourself, why do you go to Japan for girls instead of staying home and doing your own?
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08-19-26 12:15 #15333Are the photos of you and your girl? Originally Posted by Wengkyou
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Was BBFS provided at an extra cost?
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08-19-26 09:20 #15332Rick it sounds like you are hungry. Originally Posted by RickRock
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A wealth of information in this post, thank you. Originally Posted by RarityMan
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08-19-26 07:00 #15331I have to mention that Hinata from Etoile is awesome, there's only one single downside I didn't like (fake tits, I personally prefer natural tits even if they're smaller). Other than that, she's basically perfect. Originally Posted by TravelerX
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I think these high class soapland girls prefer foreigners because the Japanese regulars in these places are much older in average than foreign tourists who can actually afford to pay the 80 k+ price. I can see why they prefer foreigners. And there are shitty people regardless of the color of their skin, tourists do have to worry a little more than a Japanese person.
Each individual girls also have their own checklists races they do and don't want to offer service to, the shops normally do honor their preferences if possible. That's why some deli and soaplands ask about your nationality or race when you contact them. I've had a girl straight up refuse me after she saw me in person, not because I'm a foreigner, but because I'm not non Asian.
I forgot to mention another big factor on some shops being Japanese only. There are rumors going around that STD in Japan were started and spread by the foreigners. It's a stupid stigma but surprisingly widespread. That's why BBFS is extremely common among Japanese but it's rarely offered to foreigners. As an East Asian that speak very little Japanese, the girls sometimes would get mad at me for not wanting BBFS. Ridiculous, I know, but 9 out of 10 times I would be asked if I wanted NS / NN. Not for free, of course, that's the reason they sometimes get mad that I don't want to take the offer.
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