Medellin Reports

[MxTH9]

Hello,

I don't speak Spanish, I'm European, and I'll be staying in Medellin for three weeks in December, starting around Christmas.

I really enjoy partying. For example, when I'm in Thailand, I go out to nightclubs almost every night, and I would love to enjoy Medellin in a similar way.

However, I have to admit that reading all the stories and warnings on Facebook groups, forums, and other communities is making me quite nervous, especially regarding the risk of being drugged or robbed. It has reached the point where I'm seriously considering cancelling my trip to Medellin and going to Kenya instead.

I was planning to stay at **Viktory Boutique in Provenza* According to their rules, any outside visitor entering a guest's room must first register at reception and provide an ID. I imagine this already helps reduce some of the risks. I was also planning not to drink anything in my room when I have a visitor over.

What do you think? Am I worrying too much, or do you really need to be extremely cautious in Medellin ?

Regarding dating apps, are some considered safer or more reliable than others in Medellin? Is it also a good idea to always ask for someone's Instagram before meeting them?

Thank you in advance for your advice and for sharing your experiences!

[GringoLoko]

Friends, we've been hearing a lot of news about things happening in Medellin, particularly around Airbnb accommodations in Parque Lleras area. We're a group of seven people traveling for fun, and we're considering canceling our plans. Could you please advise us?

I'd still go but I only go solo. As a group you may be targeted more so I'd be more wary. Cartagena may be better for a group.

[Ochiyo]

Friends, we've been hearing a lot of news about things happening in Medellin, particularly around Airbnb accommodations in Parque Lleras area. We're a group of seven people traveling for fun, and we're considering canceling our plans. Could you please advise us?

Unless you guys are interested in trying out the spots like La Isla or casas, I personally would not recommend going to Medellin right now. The police presence is felt heavily, and the quality has dropped as a result.

[BullBoy8]

Friends, we've been hearing a lot of news about things happening in Medellin, particularly around Airbnb accommodations in Parque Lleras area. We're a group of seven people traveling for fun, and we're considering canceling our plans. Could you please advise us?

[Chico Bonito]

The seeking women get thousands of hits. The dumber ones think that all these men want them when the reality is most men on seeking are themselves scammers trying to get laid for free. Your profile should reflect not that you are going to pay s In the beginning, women were so awful on line and so much more receptive in person I did not get why, and the reason is there are so many male scammers.

I saw you say something similar on a post several months back, about "male scammers trying to get sex for free". What do you mean exactly by that? Are these guys online who are arranging pay 4 play with women and then afterwards refusing to pay what they agreed on?

[CatBert55]

I took a stroll through Parque Lleras Friday night. Lots of chicas, lots of police, few to no gringos.

[Alex Deuce]

The Wake megaproject is very similar and only steps away from Palermo. It's not clear if there is sufficient demand for either of them. Shadowy investment groups behind them have the classic hallmarks of multipurpose money laundering (narcos, international tax evasion, foreign military and intelligence funds transfer). I personally would be very careful about these kinds of investments. There is a history of projects with one group of insiders and another group for the unsuspecting public with very different terms. The regulatory environment is wobbly. Any knucklehead like me can set up a corporate identity (I. E. "S. A. S. ") in an afternoon to build or buy property for visa purposes or developments like Wake and Palermo. In my opinion it's too easy to throw some money at a random person to be the identity of record for any kind of financial activity. I think this supports the idea that foreign punters are more of a reputation concern for Colombia than a financial concern.

Is that not the case with 90% of developments in the Caribbean, Central and South America? Hell, you want to talk about some of the shit built in the US? Let's start with Vegas, Miami, LA, Chi Town and don't even talk about Atlantic City.

There are buildings throughout the world funded the same way that nary a soul has occupied and or that has ever turned a profit. That's not unique to Palermo, El Poblado or Medellin. Money has always found its way into real estate, whether it came from organized crime, drugs, corrupt politicians, questionable investors or just plain old people trying to hide money. Real estate has always been one of the easiest places in the world to park large amounts of cash and make the money look legitimate.

Difference here is Palermo area has actually been profitable pre and post Parque Lleras Ho Stroll. That's the part people seem to be missing. Whatever you think about the source of the money, the underlying real estate actually worked. The area generated rents, attracted businesses, appreciated in value and became one of the most valuable pieces of real estate in Medellin.

Hell, they were yielding +7% pre hookers with 15% appreciation on assets. You had an asset producing income while simultaneously appreciating at a ridiculous rate. That is the kind of combination real estate owners spend their entire careers trying to find.

So how the developers, actual owners of the buildings, allowed it to get to this point is malpractice. You don't have to pretend the current situation is normal or that the deterioration was inevitable. If you owned an asset producing those kinds of returns and watched the surrounding environment deteriorate to the point where it started damaging the underlying value of the asset, there were obviously management decisions, political decisions and business decisions that could have been made along the way.

And that's really the bigger point. This isn't an argument that every building in the area was somehow financed with clean money or dirty money. It's an argument about what happened to an area that had already proven it could generate serious economic value. Plenty of places around the world have questionable money behind their development and still became extremely profitable. Plenty of others had questionable money behind them and became ghost developments that never generated anything.

Palermo and Parque Lleras are different because the underlying market actually worked. The demand was there, the rents were there, the appreciation was there and the commercial activity was there. The question isn't whether the area could make money. It clearly could. The question is how the people who owned and controlled those assets managed to let one of the most valuable and commercially productive areas in the city get to the point where the reputation and environment became a liability.

As stated, I do this for a living.

[Knowledge]

The Wake megaproject is very similar and only steps away from Palermo. It's not clear if there is sufficient demand for either of them. Shadowy investment groups behind them have the classic hallmarks of multipurpose money laundering (narcos, international tax evasion, foreign military and intelligence funds transfer). I personally would be very careful about these kinds of investments. There is a history of projects with one group of insiders and another group for the unsuspecting public with very different terms. The regulatory environment is wobbly. Any knucklehead like me can set up a corporate identity (I. E. "S. A. S. ") in an afternoon to build or buy property for visa purposes or developments like Wake and Palermo. In my opinion it's too easy to throw some money at a random person to be the identity of record for any kind of financial activity. I think this supports the idea that foreign punters are more of a reputation concern for Colombia than a financial concern.

That's not the half of what's going on. This has been posted here before.

https://cazadecasa.xyz/blog/distrito...in-megaproject

[Alex Deuce]

A lot of new apartment buildings and on-going construction in Barranquilla without the tourists or sex tourists of El Poblado.

That's not the half of what's going on. This has been posted here before.

https://cazadecasa.xyz/blog/distrito...in-megaproject

[Huacho]

Get a lot of pings on seeking from girls in Columbia, did anyone get a contact and did a meet up with them? With lot of girls available probably not needed, but just wondering if anyone done that. Was it safe etc.

Columbia, South Carolina or Columbia, Missouri?

[Elvis 2008]

Get a lot of pings on seeking from girls in Columbia, did anyone get a contact and did a meet up with them? With lot of girls available probably not needed, but just wondering if anyone done that. Was it safe etc.

I told people a gazillion times that seeking girls are not one thing. You have everything from the flat out scammers to the flat out hookers to the GND to beauty queens. It is not the site that matters; it is your ability to screen out the women.

The seeking women get thousands of hits. The dumber ones think that all these men want them when the reality is most men on seeking are themselves scammers trying to get laid for free. Your profile should reflect not that you are going to pay said women but that you have the ability to pay them. In the beginning, women were so awful on line and so much more receptive in person I did not get why, and the reason is there are so many male scammers. Until you break bread or have a drink with someone, you really do not know them that well. So my goal was always to get to that point.

Unlike with a hooker P4P type encounter, my goal was to find someone whose company I enjoyed but also I wanted to bang again and again. That is a huge difference guys do not get here about what sugar daddies are looking for. When I see a hooker, I typically was just looking to get an itch scratched. I rarely have repeated with hookers. It's like one in twenty or one in fifty something like that because most are nothing special. On the flip side, with a sugar baby who had shown she was good in bed, the majority of the time I repeated with them. The goal is a long term arrangement, but often I would meet women that I put in the hooker pile and would bang them and be done with them.

But it is work, and the yields are low. One in ten women I conversed with on line got to a face to face meeting. It was one in two that I would take to bed and then one in two I would repeat with. It is way easier to just bang and pay a hooker.

Thing is because you have been selective and screened right chances are that you are going to be with a much more charming, attractive, and skilled woman than average, and that is going to drive other guys to be jealous right? So do not expect guys to be impressed if you do well; too many are risk averse chicken shits. Their egos cannot handle female rejection. The work in getting the best women is being ripped off, stood up, lied to, and led on and bouncing back as if nothing ever happened. I have to admit that it slowed me down, but the reality is most women are fucking crazy and men care way too much what they think.

I think the other biggest hurdle is men lying to themselves about how much the woman really likes them. With me, the ultimate shit test was planning a vacation with a woman and seeing if they would show up. I knew which women would show up and get through customs and which women would have the excuses. My father is sick was usually #1. If I was 100% right on who would come and who would not, then you would ask, well, why buy the ticket then? I think part of it I was hoping that I was wrong, and being stood up gave me the right to close the door definitively on that person. These were not women whom I had never met. They were women I was banging but I was kind of on the fence with and vice versa.

And the last thing I will say is that sugar relationships are the normal ones today in that they are known to be conditional. Marriages are conditional as well but are being sold as if they are not. Guys were always asking me, "what happens if you quit paying her? Oh wait, you dumb asses out there still believe women in their marriage vows when they say they will be with you for richer or poorer? Really? The average married couple is having sex on average once a year. Women are filing for 80% of their divorces. Meanwhile, women are getting fatter and fatter, and men are staying with them even after they gain 100 lbs. And quit fucking them. But that is okay? That is legitimate? That cracks me up when guys do that. I thought the whole point of going abroad was to put happiness over being legit. The sugar relationship is honest in that it is conditional, but the BF-GF and marriage relationships are the ones that are not honest.

[Mr Enternational]

Get a lot of pings on seeking from girls in Columbia, did anyone get a contact and did a meet up with them? With lot of girls available probably not needed, but just wondering if anyone done that. Was it safe etc.

Don't do it. You seem to be a prime candidate to get drugged.

[KeviKev68]

I've used Seeking in various countries, including Colombia. You'll still need to connect with people and see what works best for you. I usually ask for their WhatsApp number and then continue communicating through the app. In case you disagree with someone on Seeking, they can report you, which is why I prefer to move the conversation to WhatsApp fairly quickly.

It is much better and easier to use than Seeking in the US. It's the place to go when you need to set up a meet ASAP. I prefer Tinder but have several girls from Seeking that have good profile pics. You have to talk offsite about what you want and how much.

[GeorgeCarta22]

. I don't go into casas or clubs or take street girls. In my 16 2 week trips I have never been in Gustos. Only went down to Lleras once at night for 15 minutes just to see it. I can see why they want to clean that shit up.

I completely understand what you're saying and I think a lot of people would agree with you.

But I think its different strokes and preference.

I personally LOVE point and click atmosphere of clubs. I know gustos price point is outrageous but I just collect whatsapps there then negotiate afterwards

Been trying to find other different point and click clubs but seems like its only the 2 in parque lleras.

I even asked bogata board about it but seems like its just a pobaldo lleras thing I guess. La isla is an adjacent but still different to me.

[Butch145]

Get a lot of pings on seeking from girls in Columbia, did anyone get a contact and did a meet up with them? With lot of girls available probably not needed, but just wondering if anyone done that. Was it safe etc.

I've used Seeking in various countries, including Colombia. You'll still need to connect with people and see what works best for you. I usually ask for their WhatsApp number and then continue communicating through the app. In case you disagree with someone on Seeking, they can report you, which is why I prefer to move the conversation to WhatsApp fairly quickly.