Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[LittleBigMan]

Nice rant.

Thanks, it is simple!

I read comprehend the thread says " Rant " II open, read, ignore or respond! Nothing too it!

Many of these threads were created because there is always one that gets tired of it because it doesn't fit into the strict definition of the thread, they complain next thing you know a new thread. My motto people just relax and sooner or later it goes away. Every thread poster talks about looks, price, to me after all these years let it go we can only control so much.

Rants was created just for that purpose it is one of the best threads, everyone right to rant serves a purpose good or bad I find a message that pin point what the poster is about one doesn't have to meet them. No matter how well written or bad the opinion I gain a sense of the writer. Life is good ! LOL

[SubCmdr]

Wow after all this time, you are still on the same rant about prostitution be legal in Thailand. Thought you would have given up by now. Anyways, good to see you are still alive and kicking Tooms.

Yep Don Eih Quixote still jousting at Windmills.

It is not the responsibility of knights errant to discover whether the afflicted, the enchained and the oppressed whom they encounter on the road are reduced to these circumstances and suffer this distress for their vices, or for their virtues: the knight's sole responsibility is to succour them as people in need, having eyes only for their sufferings, not for their misdeeds. -Don Quixote

Welcome back my brother!

[EverythingThai]

You know why these and other documents provide definitions of the terms they are going to use over and over again in the texts, right? Well, just in case, here is the reason, so they don't have to clumsily repeat the qualifiers "in a promiscuous manner", "openly and shamelessly in a public place causing a nuisance to the public" and so on over and over and over again every time they include the word "Prostitution" in a sentence in order to continually remind us what THEY mean when they mention the word Prostitution or Solicitation or regarding an Establishment where THEIR definition of Prostitution is offered or allowed.

If they had ever meant it to be the mere act of consenting adults agreeing to exchange sex for money, money for sex ANYWHERE or then fulfilling that agreement ANYWHERE in private, they would have said so in their definitions of those terms with no qualifiers at all.

But they didn't.

And neither did that attorney in Thailand whose text and video explanation of the Thai law on the subject you posted previously and suggested everyone read and watch. He too judiciously included the qualifier "in a promiscuous manner" for the topic.

That qualifier for the Act's definition for what THEY mean when they say Prostitution follows through into all of the Sections including the concept of a "Prostitution Establishment"...

Wow after all this time, you are still on the same rant about prostitution be legal in Thailand. Thought you would have given up by now. Anyways, good to see you are still alive and kicking Tooms.

[SubCmdr]

If you don't like something as noted use the ignore or just don't respond personally I always felt using Ignore is for cowards.

Agreed! I would also add that I think the ignore it is for the weak minded among us. I do same same you. I don't have anyone on ignore. Besides, if you don't log in the ignore function does not work. And if someone is quoted that you have on ignore you still see it. It makes me laugh at the people that announce they have someone on ignore but they file no trip reports.

ROTFLMAO!

I am not sure why others are always trying to shut down input to the site. Everyone is welcome to do what they like. But they should not be trying to cut off information to others. Besides, this is a popular thread here in Thailand. Does ISG a lot of good. Or else The Administrator would not allow it.

[EihTooms]

https://mekongmigration.org/labourla...Act%201996.pdf

In the history of ISG no one has ever produced a legal opinion from a member of the the bar that says: Prostitution is legal in Thailand.

EihTooms is hanging his entire agreement on: in a promiscuous manner while leaving out the following vital legal facts:

The Thai legal system does not provide a clear definition of the phrase in a promiscuous manner within the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act of 1996. The Act defines prostitution as sexual acts performed to gratify another person's desires in a "promiscuous manner" in return for money or benefit. Legal sources explicitly state that no clear definition of "promiscuous manner" is provided in the statute. Similarly, the phrase "open and shameless manner" used regarding solicitation is also not clearly defined. Consequently, the interpretation of these terms relies on judicial discretion and the specific circumstances of each case, such as whether the acts are causing a public nuisance or occurring in established prostitution establishments.

EihTooms is welcome to correct me on this.

But wait, wait, if there are illegal versions of prostitution how can prostitution be legal in Thailand?

So according to you there is both legal and illegal prostitution in Thailand. If that is the case how can the following assertion be wrong?



Once again proving there is illegal prostitution in Thailand. No where in the law is the term prostitution-related behaviors used. That term has been made up by EihTooms to bolster his argument that prostitution is legal in Thailand.

https://mekongmigration.org/labourla...Act%201996.pdf

No misunderstanding: allowed for prostitution, place used for making contact for prostitution Read the definition in the law for yourselves my fellow International Tricks. It needs no interpretation. The term can include go-go bars, massage parlors, karaoke venues, and brothels, Bars where sex work occurs, even if the business is ostensibly licensed under the Entertainment Places Act..

Law for weed shops is a different statute all together.

The Protection and Promotion of Thai Traditional Medicine Knowledge Act B.E. 2542 (1999) governs the flower, while the Narcotics Code B.E. 2522 (1979) regulates high-THC extracts.

Defamation is a completely different statue also

Thailand's defamation laws are primarily codified in Sections 326 to 333 of the Thai Criminal Code, which classify defamation as a criminal offense.

Period. Full Stop.

It should be noted

I think the law is written in such a way to give the controlling legal authorities quite a bit of discretion when it comes to street enforcement (selective). No one has ever presented in this forum with charging papers. So all knowledge about the legal process is second hand and is a interpretation of an interpretation in published news articles.

The Cmdr's Take

The 1996 Act makes prostitution illegal in Thailand, but what it actually criminalizes is a narrow set of activities. Private, consensual sex work between adults is not a criminal offense under the Act, and there is no general offense of buying or selling sex between consenting adults. The law's practical effect is to regulate the infrastructure of the sex industry rather than to prohibit the act itself and even that enforcement is selective.

You know why these and other documents provide definitions of the terms they are going to use over and over again in the texts, right? Well, just in case, here is the reason, so they don't have to clumsily repeat the qualifiers "in a promiscuous manner", "openly and shamelessly in a public place causing a nuisance to the public" and so on over and over and over again every time they include the word "Prostitution" in a sentence in order to continually remind us what THEY mean when they mention the word Prostitution or Solicitation or regarding an Establishment where THEIR definition of Prostitution is offered or allowed.

If they had ever meant it to be the mere act of consenting adults agreeing to exchange sex for money, money for sex ANYWHERE or then fulfilling that agreement ANYWHERE in private, they would have said so in their definitions of those terms with no qualifiers at all.

But they didn't.

And neither did that attorney in Thailand whose text and video explanation of the Thai law on the subject you posted previously and suggested everyone read and watch. He too judiciously included the qualifier "in a promiscuous manner" for the topic.

That qualifier for the Act's definition for what THEY mean when they say Prostitution follows through into all of the Sections including the concept of a "Prostitution Establishment".

A shop on Sukhumvit Road or Asoke where weed is advertised and sold commercially to anyone and everyone who walks in the door with the proper prescription in a promiscuous manner and regardless how the sales clerk personally feels about it or personally thinks of the customer would be a "weed selling establishment". The same principle would apply but without a prescription required to the various "hamburger establishments", "t-shirt establishments" or "smartphone establishments" in the neighborhood.

According to the plain language definition of Prositution in the Act, owning, operating, managing, working in or patronizing a venue that offers or allows the commercial sale of sex in a promiscuous manner or hawks it openly and shamelessly in a public place as one can sell or buy weed, hamburgers or smartphones in shops regardless how the sales staff personally feel about it or about the customer is illegal.

If you encounter an easily publicly observable venue in Thailand that openly and shamelessly advertises and sells sex for money as promicuously as McDs advertizes and sells hamburgers to anyone and everyone who walks through their door you probabily should avoid arrest and penalty by declining to enter and patronizing the place. I have never encountered such a venue in Thailand.

However, I have encountered many venues in Thailand where people gather and customers enter to buy a drink or food, watch young ladies dance on stage, get a massage, etc and even where those offerings are overtly advertised by signage and the staff hawking them out front.

And whatever happens between consenting adults inside or outside those venues that does not conform to the Code and Act's plain language definition of Prostitution is of zero interest or concern to the police and justice department.

Thai law has no opinion, Citation or Section addressing what consenting adults discreetly agree to do of a sexual nature and fulfill in private quarters, money involved or no money involved.

My take and so far the take of every known police and media news report of an arrest "for Prostitution" in Thailand is the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act of 1996 makes THEIR definition of Prostitution illegal, it is THEIR definition of it that the media news reports are referring to, the definition as stated in its definition of terms, "in a promiscuous manner" and not what anyone else in the world thinks the definition of it is and Thai law has no opinion nor applies any citation or Section to the personal, non promiscuous agreement between or among consenting adults to exchange sex for money or money for sex and / or to fulfill that agreement in private quarters.

[HorseTrader]

Just my 2 cents.

I'm not supporting anyone side but this might be food for thought!...

Nice rant.

[LittleBigMan]

Just my 2 cents.

I'm not supporting anyone side but this might be food for thought!

I'm not for creating or shutting down threads, ISG has gone through enough of these request! I always say these days if one really truely believe opinion then one should stick with that belief and let it go one can read, ***** they ***** back they don't agree, or they can like the majority just let them *****. This constant need to shut down thread or add one has to only look at the start up page and wonder why there are so many dead threads. If you don't like something as noted use the ignore or just don't respond personally I always felt using Ignore is for cowards. Today we have lots of it PC, Woke, Keyboard cowards that is what Internet has become.

When it comes to Prositution I see people cited Laws etc, yet we all know from visiting or living here what this government is all about and how it is run, I see no point in citing anything if it isn't going to be enforced just like 99% of laws on the books here! First, how this government is funded there isn't enough people to monitor the country if you don't believe me in Bangkok go up Governement road, take a look at many of these offices, names sound huge go inside, you at best might find two people running a department. This country is run on one principal " Honor system " reason there are so many Temples, and you know what the honor system doesn't work! There is always enough to break the rules here and when they do, go to the Temple, ask for forgiveless and go right back outside and do it all over again, Monks know it reason why religion is the biggest money maker in the world especially here.

Daily events read a story like kids being burn to death, an uproar is made news now thousands of buses being inspected news everywhere but rarely we hear the result, logic would put 2 plus 2 together think with only 2 inspectors how the hell was thousands of buses inspected, this is an example of how the entired country is run! Biggest example is accidents each day, month you see a photo op how they are cracking down yet it is the same stuff each day. They claim millions at the airport yet stories how bad the economy is doing?

The list goes on so when it comes to Prositution whether legal or not! Ask yourself why you are here! Prior, was it preventing anyone here not to come to Thailand! I seriously doubt anyone had a 2nd thought about the conversation before booking their trip. When they landed, they dropped their bags at Nana, shower out they went to get some never was whether they should or shouldn't ever enter their minds as to it being legal.

I can speak for myself only but I'm sure 90% if not more never had second thought if they came would no one is walking down anywhere in Thailand where you can get pussy is looking over their shoulders that they are being arrested if that was the case there would be zero stories even from those who cited it to be illegal. Personally, the topic isn't RELEVANT WHATSOEVER!

Even for those for or against are going to sleep, waking up, tourist or expat without hesitation getting pussy, going bareback, nutting, underpaying, overpaying, living it up no one cares deep inside whether it is legal or not or we wouldn't be having the conversation! You got to be the most unlucky person to ever be arrested for such a act here and if you do expect to be the biggest joke of all times!

[SubCmdr]

https://mekongmigration.org/labourla...Act%201996.pdf

In the history of ISG no one has ever produced a legal opinion from a member of the the bar that says: Prostitution is legal in Thailand.

1. It is the evidence of prostitution the police are looking to suppress. Remember the Act's definition of prostitution being in a promiscuous manner?

EihTooms is hanging his entire agreement on: in a promiscuous manner while leaving out the following vital legal facts:

The Thai legal system does not provide a clear definition of the phrase in a promiscuous manner within the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act of 1996. The Act defines prostitution as sexual acts performed to gratify another person's desires in a "promiscuous manner" in return for money or benefit. Legal sources explicitly state that no clear definition of "promiscuous manner" is provided in the statute. Similarly, the phrase "open and shameless manner" used regarding solicitation is also not clearly defined. Consequently, the interpretation of these terms relies on judicial discretion and the specific circumstances of each case, such as whether the acts are causing a public nuisance or occurring in established prostitution establishments.

EihTooms is welcome to correct me on this.

2. The police outright qualify, literally and in the plainest language posdible, that they are looking for the illegal versions of prostitution.

But wait, wait, if there are illegal versions of prostitution how can prostitution be legal in Thailand?

Your May 2018 linked report about a sex party cited NO case of anyone there being arrested or fined for the non criminal version of prostitution even after the police sting came up with evidence of sex in exchange for money being offered to them.

So according to you there is both legal and illegal prostitution in Thailand. If that is the case how can the following assertion be wrong?

In the history of ISG no one has ever produced a legal opinion from a member of the the bar that says: Prostitution is legal in Thailand

All of those prostitution-related behaviors are specifically cited in plain language in the Code and / or the Act as crimes punishable by fine and / or imprisonment.

Once again proving there is illegal prostitution in Thailand. No where in the law is the term prostitution-related behaviors used. That term has been made up by EihTooms to bolster his argument that prostitution is legal in Thailand.

As far as your misunderstanding of what constitutes a "prostitution establishment"

https://mekongmigration.org/labourla...Act%201996.pdf

Prostitution Establishment means the place or premises arranged for prostitution or allowed for prostitution, and shall include the place used for making contact or procuring another person for prostitution;

No misunderstanding: allowed for prostitution, place used for making contact for prostitution Read the definition in the law for yourselves my fellow International Tricks. It needs no interpretation. The term can include go-go bars, massage parlors, karaoke venues, and brothels, Bars where sex work occurs, even if the business is ostensibly licensed under the Entertainment Places Act..

Law for weed shops is a different statute all together.

The Protection and Promotion of Thai Traditional Medicine Knowledge Act B.E. 2542 (1999) governs the flower, while the Narcotics Code B.E. 2522 (1979) regulates high-THC extracts.

Defamation is a completely different statue also

Thailand's defamation laws are primarily codified in Sections 326 to 333 of the Thai Criminal Code, which classify defamation as a criminal offense.

Period. Full Stop.

It should be noted

I think the law is written in such a way to give the controlling legal authorities quite a bit of discretion when it comes to street enforcement (selective). No one has ever presented in this forum with charging papers. So all knowledge about the legal process is second hand and is a interpretation of an interpretation in published news articles.

The Cmdr's Take

The 1996 Act makes prostitution illegal in Thailand, but what it actually criminalizes is a narrow set of activities. Private, consensual sex work between adults is not a criminal offense under the Act, and there is no general offense of buying or selling sex between consenting adults. The law's practical effect is to regulate the infrastructure of the sex industry rather than to prohibit the act itself and even that enforcement is selective.

[Banana Boi]

to management; please turn this thread off! It is not doing anyone any good including the ISG.

This thread was started for Monkeypaw to vent and for those to vent back at Monkeypaw.

As an Admin it makes their job easier not to have to monitor one single thread as closely unless something really vile or illegal was posted.

[EihTooms]

It is not enough to block specific posters, I have tried that route, but other posters will quote the crazies and then you are back to square one. I would love to block the entire thread and I would choose that option in a nano second. But in the meantime, management allows the madness to continue and I must admit that on occasion I have been drawn into it. So, after a while it becomes a guilty pleasure to dump on a couple of frig-holes who are out of their minds and originally made the mistake to insult me in the past for no cause. Now they have a cause.

The current war is pretty funny to watch in a low brow sort of way. One rather verbose and obnoxious BM is getting handed his lunch on a daily basis, yet he refuses to shut up and end his embarrassment and humiliation which he is apparently is unaware of. So, he continues to play the fool, and he continues to get roasted. Again, this is low brow dirty humor at best but it is kind of addictive and funny to watch especially when you know the combatants.

But yeah, to management; please turn this thread off! It is not doing anyone any good including the ISG.

Among other countries, did you know there is a Rants and stupid shit in Switzerland thread on this site? LOL. I haven't clicked on it because I'm afraid I'll get sucked into reading a debate over whether or not it is ok to eat the yellow snow.

Apparently these Rants threads are quite popular.

[SubCmdr]

It is not enough to block specific posters, I have tried that route, but other posters will quote the crazies and then you are back to square one. I would love to block the entire thread and I would choose that option in a nano second. But in the meantime, management allows the madness to continue and I must admit that on occasion I have been drawn into it. So, after a while it becomes a guilty pleasure to dump on a couple of frig-holes who are out of their minds and originally made the mistake to insult me in the past for no cause. Now they have a cause.

The current war is pretty funny to watch in a low brow sort of way. One rather verbose and obnoxious BM is getting handed his lunch on a daily basis, yet he refuses to shut up and end his embarrassment and humiliation which he is apparently is unaware of. So, he continues to play the fool, and he continues to get roasted. Again, this is low brow dirty humor at best but it is kind of addictive and funny to watch especially when you know the combatants.

But yeah, to management; please turn this thread off! It is not doing anyone any good including the ISG.

Axel Heyst wrote that I was a black racist. Yet never posted a single quote from my 7500 post body of work here on ISG that supports his contention.

How to deal with our obnoxious little black racist

I could not have said it better. But the question is how to deal with this race baiting, antagonistic, idiot. Yeah, it's kind of fun to insult him whenever he provokes it, but the insane truth is he craves the attention. Self-ridicule is his thing.

How long had it been since you visited Thailand when you wrote this post? Other than a direct attack on me what information did you provide to this forum?

BeachDrone, you are not alone. Don't let this raging psycho deter you from posting trip reports. Just put him on ignore.

And guys, if you must respond to him, please don't quote him! The ignore function does not work on quoted text.

Another post where if YOU are being honest you did not mention my handle but you were talking about me. Why are you trying to censor the content I provide to others? Personal grudge perhaps?

I never called you a black racist, Subbie. I called you a race baiter which is exactly what you are. They like to blame everybody else instead. In any case, having a rational conversation with you on any level is impossible. I know because I have tried, but you can't handle civil discourse. I would feel sorry for you, but you are such a little shit, that I just can't give you any sympathy. Enjoy your pitiful existence, troll.

Here you are calling me out, yet again for some kind of personal grudge. Yet you wound up reversing yourself in the very next post you made about me.

You got me ass wipe. I checked it out and yep, I wrote it, and then I forgot about it. And I was definitely referring to you. I mean who else is as obnoxious a little twit as you are on the ISG? LMFAO!

The fact that I forgot about the title of that post and you did not is an example of much importance I attach to you and your all your bragging, and over the top BS that you think is so clever, vs how much you seem to care about what I post. Hahaha. So, go back to your slimy little hovel, write up some more BS, and keep telling yourself you're living the life, banging fugly Thai girls for pennies on the bhat. We all know different.

Unless you can prove what you wrote as I have underlined in your posts above you might want to reconsider making further statements like that until you review and fully understand Sections 326-333 of the Thai Penal Code. I have included information in this post for your review.

And since you see to be interested in honesty, didn't you come to this RANTS thread in the first place after I called you out on your statement about: there is no racism in the Dis United States of America?.

Let me see if I can find that quote from the American Politics thread:

Sub, Sub, Sub,

As soon as some a-hole resorts to race baiting and intimidation in a futile attempt to win the argument, I know 2 things: 1) that person is a lowlife with limited intelligence and 2) that person does not have any real data to back up his argument.

I think the underlined statement might not be reviewed positively if this statement required legal review at some point.

Obviously, you are back on my ignore list. Have fun living in Pattaya on the cheap.

What was the core issue that drove your so crazy as to make such a hateful statement involving my race?

You wouldn't be able to enjoy your present lifestyle if you were not a black American.

What was the core issue that drove your so crazy as to make such a hateful statement involving my race? You never did explain what you meant by that statement that you made.

Since I am off your ignore list and you have announced that you are visiting Thailand, please let us all know what prompted your decision.

So, the SubCmdr took a quote from one of my posts entitled "The Effect of Geopolitical Events on Oil Prices on Airline Tickets" in the American Politics thread that had nothing to do with his prostitution rants in this particular thread and then he used my quote in the Rants thread to bolster whatever he is trying to bolster here.

I am allowed to take quotes from the entirety of ISG. If I was not then The Administrator would stop it. Didn't you already state at one point I should be banned? How did that request work out for you?

You are very dishonest and confused, Mr. Sub, and I honestly believe you are having a mental breakdown. Maybe it is time you to take a break from you hyper posting and personal attacks so you can compose yourself a little and get your head straight.

Perhaps you do not understand the defamation laws in Thailand either.

Maybe you didn't understand me when I posted information on: Sections 326-333.

Defamation in Thailand is primarily governed by Sections 326-333 of the Thai Criminal Code, which criminalize acts that impair another person's reputation. Section 326 defines basic defamation as imputing anything to a third person in a manner likely to expose the victim to hatred or scorn, punishable by imprisonment of up to one year or a fine of up to 20,000 Baht.

Aggravated defamation, known as Section 328 (Defamation by Publication), applies when the offense is committed via documents, films, broadcasts, or online platforms. This carries heavier penalties of imprisonment not exceeding two years and a fine not exceeding 200,000 Baht.

Axel Heyst can consider himself informed.

Check Ball!

[SubCmdr]

yeah, to management; please turn this thread off! It is not doing anyone any good including the ISG.

Why are you asking for THE ADMINISTRATOR to turn off the sixth (6th) most popular thread in Thailand on the ISG Forum?

[SubCmdr]

The civil suit would follow your conviction for the crime.

What crime have I been convicted of? You do realize that your implication that I have committed a crime is defamation in and of itself. I suggest you review the law or just consult your Thai Attorney.

And I prefer to file that one individually anyway because I'm sure my Thai attorney could get a much better settlement or adjudicated punitive award from you for pain and suffering than any one of us could as a group.

While we are on the subject of defamation, when you are talking with your Thai Attorney about assisting your filing of a criminal complaint against me, check with your Thai Attorney and see if you have exposed yourself to the same legal jeopardy as you claim that claim I am in.

Ever had soup with a cracker?

I know you have asked for a cracker with your soup, cheese or wine in your lifetime, you anti-white racist!

I recommend every other member of ISG to do the same.

Looks like someone is providing legal counsel without being a member of the bar in Thailand yet again.

On a personal note: I'll meet any Senior Member at the Bus Bar, in Tree Town, Pattaya, Thailand if they wish to serve me court papers. Not concerned about it because I keep a Thai Attorney on retainer. But you better have your health insurance paid up. Make sure you are not writing a check that your ass can't cash. Because I will have a golf wedge in my hand. I like to practice my short game and afterwards have a drink. That is why I will have it with me.

ROTFLMAO!

I'll be waiting. Or you can just send the complaint to my Thai Attorney and then it will be game on. This back and forth on ISG is the play world. Don't fuck around and find out how the real world works!

[Sam Sanuk]

It is not enough to block specific posters...The current war is pretty funny to watch in a low brow sort of way. One rather verbose and obnoxious BM is getting handed his lunch on a daily basis, yet he refuses to shut up and end his embarrassment and humiliation

Very true. But this subforum is a great place for "stupid shit" and a "stupid shit" to unload. It's like a sandbox for folks to unload. Helps keep other subforums / threads relatively civil. Just my take.

Sam.

[Axel Heyst]

This is the Rants thread so guys can come on this thread to say whatever they want. Many guys will just block posters they don't want to "listen" to any longer so that's always an option. I just choose to read this thread on rare occasions and when I read it it's really just skimming.

It is not enough to block specific posters, I have tried that route, but other posters will quote the crazies and then you are back to square one. I would love to block the entire thread and I would choose that option in a nano second. But in the meantime, management allows the madness to continue and I must admit that on occasion I have been drawn into it. So, after a while it becomes a guilty pleasure to dump on a couple of frig-holes who are out of their minds and originally made the mistake to insult me in the past for no cause. Now they have a cause.

The current war is pretty funny to watch in a low brow sort of way. One rather verbose and obnoxious BM is getting handed his lunch on a daily basis, yet he refuses to shut up and end his embarrassment and humiliation which he is apparently is unaware of. So, he continues to play the fool, and he continues to get roasted. Again, this is low brow dirty humor at best but it is kind of addictive and funny to watch especially when you know the combatants.

But yeah, to management; please turn this thread off! It is not doing anyone any good including the ISG.