Manila

[Goferring]

Getting ready for my next trip there and doing some early planning, or at least as much as I can LOL. Was wondering what the best clubs to party and find semi-pro, FLs, or civvies 4 freebies are? I RTFF this one and some others, and found that Secret Door, Royal, Octopus, and Buccaneers seem to be the best for FL. But also read that Secret Door is currently closed, so where did all those FLs and bargirls move to while that place is closed?

Anyone have any info on Ugly Duck, Z-Hostel, H&J, White Rabbit, Bolthole, Lynx, and Occult? I like to club hop and party as well, so wondering what's a spot that's a target rich environment with civvies to pick up for free or at least which of these has a decent amount of FLs.

Also found out about Miss Universe and King and Queen clubs in Malate. Anyone familiar with these places? Not sure if Midnight Haven is any good as I hear most of the girls there are 35+, and I'm used to under 32.

I'm guessing the average going rate rn for FLs is 3 k. At least I never paid more than 3 k - 4 k for FLs and bargirls I'd meet before or after their work, figure it hasn't changed much. Been reading alot of scams with LBs (saying they're girls to get in the room alone with you) and girls saying too young or causing issues once in the room with upselling or setting you up with video recordings. Not sure if bad vetting process on several guys or things just got more ruthless overall. Hoping PL, Tinder, WeChat, and Bumble are still good and viable for freebies and reasonably priced FL with GFE.

Will post a report after. Just haven't seen these spots mentioned often on here, and if so, very little info about them. Lastly, best times to go to each of these, if known/possible.

I'm not in town now but I would be surprised if Secret Door is closed. It may have appeared closed early because it comes alive late, very late at night and morning. Girls will go there after their bar closes or to hang out with friends after work.

3 k might get you a ST or a part timer if you are good looking with game. Your regular monger will need to be more generous esp for overnight. 4 or 5 K is more likely with stunners trying their luck for 10 k.

Like everywhere, you need your gaydar turned on. But the risks are no more or less than any other clubs. Sometimes I think guys complaints of "surprises" aren't that much of a surprise if you know what I mean.

Freebies are available if you have the charm and looks but is it really with the hassle? Remember pussy is never truely free.

Enjoy. G.

[GuyReynolds]

Getting ready for my next trip there and doing some early planning, or at least as much as I can LOL. Was wondering what the best clubs to party and find semi-pro, FLs, or civvies 4 freebies are? I RTFF this one and some others, and found that Secret Door, Royal, Octopus, and Buccaneers seem to be the best for FL. But also read that Secret Door is currently closed, so where did all those FLs and bargirls move to while that place is closed?

Anyone have any info on Ugly Duck, Z-Hostel, H&J, White Rabbit, Bolthole, Lynx, and Occult? I like to club hop and party as well, so wondering what's a spot that's a target rich environment with civvies to pick up for free or at least which of these has a decent amount of FLs.

Also found out about Miss Universe and King and Queen clubs in Malate. Anyone familiar with these places? Not sure if Midnight Haven is any good as I hear most of the girls there are 35+, and I'm used to under 32.

I'm guessing the average going rate rn for FLs is 3 k. At least I never paid more than 3 k - 4 k for FLs and bargirls I'd meet before or after their work, figure it hasn't changed much. Been reading alot of scams with LBs (saying they're girls to get in the room alone with you) and girls saying too young or causing issues once in the room with upselling or setting you up with video recordings. Not sure if bad vetting process on several guys or things just got more ruthless overall. Hoping PL, Tinder, WeChat, and Bumble are still good and viable for freebies and reasonably priced FL with GFE.

Will post a report after. Just haven't seen these spots mentioned often on here, and if so, very little info about them. Lastly, best times to go to each of these, if known/possible.

[Old And Ugly]

One more argument to have a separate play phone.

I just turn it off and throw it in a drawer somewhere. It only gets turned back on a day or two before departure.

I hate carrying 2 phones around, but I just bought a cheap used one for 2 K, not because of the above mentioned problem, but because Tinder blocked mine, and I can't find no workaround, it doesn't matter what I tried. I think something unique to the phone is being used by the app, serial, or IMEI. I didn't bothered until now because I only use T when traveling in Indonesia, and sometimes in Manila. Is time to move around soon.

[Winston Mayona]

I'm visiting Manila after several years, and see that a lot has changed.

Pre-COVID I recall that Eurogirlescort was a good source you find freelancers and setup meetings. Post-COVID Smooci was a thing. While there were a few pimp managed posts, there were also freelancers, and regular girls doing it for some extra money. What are the best options for this now? I see mention of an app; some tips / guidance would help.

What hasn't changed I guess are pickup places like Burgos street, and Ermita around Robinsons, and LA Cafe.

Let me know please if I'm missing something.

I do have some numbers and contacts from some years ago, but I expect them to be dead ends. Either not in use, or girls having different lives now.

[Goferring]

Use the block function on your phone / app. Constant begging to the nth degree (never give up) is a cultural trait.

One more argument to have a separate play phone.

I just turn it off and throw it in a drawer somewhere. It only gets turned back on a day or two before departure.

[WestCoast1]

Province girl busses into the big city for 3-days / 2-nights of jizz-me-up. She ran rings around me in bed. The things I put up with.

[WestCoast1]

So for us seasoned guys, we all know the drill.

For the newer guys to the Phils scene, even if you've done your balls over some pretty little thing you've just nailed, never, ever send them money via G-Cash or the like.

Once you do, and even if it's just 500 p, they've hooked you in, or will harass the f#ck out of you.

Use the block function on your phone / app. Constant begging to the nth degree (never give up) is a cultural trait.

[PhilJoy]

So for us seasoned guys, we all know the drill.

For the newer guys to the Phils scene, even if you've done your balls over some pretty little thing you've just nailed, never, ever send them money via G-Cash or the like.

Once you do, and even if it's just 500 p, they've hooked you in, or will harass the f#ck out of you.

The reason I'm saying this is, the contact I hooked up with on my first night back a few days ago, hit me up for cash moments after she left the hotel over a year ago to say Dad had died.

Today, I've been inundated with messages to help her with the rent after our latest hook-up.

Now, I've never sent her cash via G Cash, but I did it once to get a another girl to my room way back. You learn by your mistakes.

I always tell them upfront, I only pay in person.

Sure, they try and guilt you when cash doesn't go their way. However, they never knock back a payment for action next time around.

Just done two in two days.

Just my experience _Phil.

[PhilJoy]

Let her soak and she will be back with a realistic offer.

Good to read that you are back and enjoying yourself.

Enjoy G. 👍.

Back playing the game G:).

[PhilJoy]

Welcome back!

Beside humidity, you'll have to adjust to the filipina time also.

Oh, I'm aware of that Ugly.

Just had to shuffle a few options and make a call.

_Phil.

[Goferring]

First full day in Manila was spent getting used to the humidity. I was narrowing down the Pina leads and finally got messaging one in particular. Mid-20's, slim and cute. For a first on Pina, she didn't want to chat of app and via WhatsApp. She was straight to the point and said she was only up for pay and play. As a non-subscribed member it just took ages between responses.

All of a sudden an old contact messaged me via WhatsApp. I don't know how she new I was in town because I had the WhatsApp locations turned off and I initially met her on the street in Makati a few years ago, and she doesn't know about Pina Love. Our last meeting was really memorable, so I decided to take up her offer of meeting me at the hotel at 4 pm. The Pina girl could wait a day and I still hadn't had an answer as to what she was expecting as a reward.

By six o'clock I messaged the contact back and asked if she was still coming. "Yes Sir. Had to have rest. ".

She eventually showed about seven and we had an all-nighter for 3 k, plus a 500 p tip this morning for a BBBJ on her way out.

I checked back into Pina and the potential find was looking for 5 k for a covered 1-2 hour session. I might put that one on hold.

Went for a walk to Robinsons about 10 am this morning and on the way out, was chased down by an older, slim FL. They tend to hang around Starbucks near the entrance and will wave you down. They can get quite persistent if you knock them back.

_Phil.

It's ok I've started a Go Fund Me for your $20 membership. 🤣.

If you meant she was the one who is a non financial member, girls can reply to guys messages in real time even without a subscription.

3500 all in overnight is very fair for the big smoke. 5000ST with conditions is aspirational. Let her soak and she will be back with a realistic offer.

Good to read that you are back and enjoying yourself.

Enjoy G. 👍.

[Old And Ugly]

First full day in Manila was spent getting used to the humidity.......................... Our last meeting was really memorable, so I decided to take up her offer of meeting me at the hotel at 4 pm...............................By six o'clock I messaged the contact back and asked if she was still coming. "Yes Sir. Had to have rest. "...................She eventually showed about seven ............P.

Welcome back!

Beside humidity, you'll have to adjust to the filipina time also.

[PhilJoy]

First full day in Manila was spent getting used to the humidity. I was narrowing down the Pina leads and finally got messaging one in particular. Mid-20's, slim and cute. For a first on Pina, she didn't want to chat of app and via WhatsApp. She was straight to the point and said she was only up for pay and play. As a non-subscribed member it just took ages between responses.

All of a sudden an old contact messaged me via WhatsApp. I don't know how she new I was in town because I had the WhatsApp locations turned off and I initially met her on the street in Makati a few years ago, and she doesn't know about Pina Love. Our last meeting was really memorable, so I decided to take up her offer of meeting me at the hotel at 4 pm. The Pina girl could wait a day and I still hadn't had an answer as to what she was expecting as a reward.

By six o'clock I messaged the contact back and asked if she was still coming. "Yes Sir. Had to have rest. ".

She eventually showed about seven and we had an all-nighter for 3 k, plus a 500 p tip this morning for a BBBJ on her way out.

I checked back into Pina and the potential find was looking for 5 k for a covered 1-2 hour session. I might put that one on hold.

Went for a walk to Robinsons about 10 am this morning and on the way out, was chased down by an older, slim FL. They tend to hang around Starbucks near the entrance and will wave you down. They can get quite persistent if you knock them back.

_Phil.

[Old And Ugly]

......... I thought twice and would not post their pics here to protect their privacy............

Just mask the faces like I do, unless they explicitly tell me that they don't care, that way we can enjoy the sight also.

[PhilJoy]

Well after waiting number of months between visits, I've just hit Manila again. This time for a three week mixture of business and pleasure.

Decided to go for Malate again, as opposed to Makati first up. It's been a better FL option for me in the past, without the bar girl profit attitude. Just my strike rate. May be different for others.

Staying in an older but absolutely adequate hotel, Silver Oaks, about two blocks or a five minute walk from Robinsons. Could do with a fresh coat of paint, but has a fridge, wifi, good aircon and a balcony to observe the Japanese Romance KTV across the road. For about USD $30 an night. TV doesn't work, but I never really watch it anyway. Very close to Midnight Haven too. I might finally make it there. On other trips, I've found decent FLs in Ermita or on Pina without having to visit.

Already been hit-upon by FLs near Uncle Johns opposite Robinsons and a couple of street walkers down A-Mabini Street.

After any early start and getting to and from airports, I've only managed two hours sleep on the plane in the last 24 hrs, so I can leave the sniffing around for tomorrow/later today.

One thing I will say is, Pina Love still looks like a great option in MNL. Turned the phone on and logged into Pina, and with my current location set, the thing just started pinging constantly.

It's good to be back. I hope to bring you some decent reports and observations of the FL scene over the next three weeks from a variety of locations.

_Phil.