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No problem at all. Even if 75% of the girls would suddenly decide to spend that evening with their boyfriends, there would still be enough talent available to keep you stressed for choice and exhausted.Wolvenvacht,
Thanks for your valuable insight! Appreciate it! Kind regards.
I really can't tell if a girl had nose surgery. I guess I don't pay enough attention to their noses. Their overall face is important to me. Syzygies' pics prove an important point. The girls wasted their money. Of all the pics only the two girls in nose2 improved their looks. The Asian girl in nose2 went from plain looking to hot IMHO. She made a good investment. What this proves to me is that girls should not get this surgery unless they have a truly awful looking nose.
I really can't tell if a girl had nose surgery. I guess I don't pay enough attention to their noses. Their overall face is important to me. Syzygies' pics prove an important point. The girls wasted their money. Of all the pics only the two girls in nose2 improved their looks. The Asian girl in nose2 went from plain looking to hot IMHO. She made a good investment. What this proves to me is that girls should not get this surgery unless they have a truly awful looking nose.Obviously those pics were not of the very worst nose jobs around, perhaps they were supposed to be good jobs, so some may not be so obvious to everyone.
An article on botched cosmetic surgeries:
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31433890
Now examples of a really bad nose jobs. I have seen plenty similar in Thailand.
StLouisMo2010
12-30-16, 15:26
It's hard to recommend since most of us do not need a tour guide. Most Hotels sell tourist tours. They provide a guide. Palace has guides on site.
Some tourist tours are rather bullshit though IMO, e.g. Floating market and Rose Garden, Bridge on the river Kwai, etc. being efficient is more about doing enough research beforehand to know what things are really worth doing. Not about having a guide with a different agenda to lead you up the garden path. Most tours are padded and take too much time however. Maybe a private guide can work if you are clear what things you want to do and that you have little time to do them.
For mongering purposes you need a buddy who knows a wide variety of places, or research the forum, and use Google maps to find where all the target venues are located. I don't see how a girl can help with mongering type exploring.
If me, I would separate tourist things with booking girls for sex.
I don't know if Pattaya has anything of interest for normal touristy tours. Ladyboy show? LOL
For Bangkok, key tourist attractions probably include Emerald Buddha Temple (Palace), Wat Arun Temple of Dawn, Siam Niramit cultural show, Jim Thompson's house, Crocodile farm and ancient model city (Meuang Booran), maybe the Wat Traimit (solid gold Buddha). Several of these have guides on site.Thanks for your input, good advise- I am just trying to make the most of my time in BKK, and not be on a tour bus.
Asian Rain
12-30-16, 15:44
I wonder what percentage of nose jobs are really an improvement?Completely subjective, so you will get an different view from everyone. I have done plenty of girls with nose and tit jobs, some of which I would subjectively say was worth the money, others not. One girl I took from CH did it the wrong way around IMO. She had a nose job but left herself with small soft mommy tits, which would have been nicely enhanced if she would have had a modest tit job. All of this I put aside as I don't have an anti-surgery hangup to get in the way of a fuck, but what I found quite annoying was that her nose job had altered the passage of air, so when she was sucking me or taking my fuck, she had a wheezing sound from her nose. Not quite a whistling. Not quite a honking. More like a "nose pant". Annoying. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
Bad noses can be improved, reasonable noses can be made worse.Normally I hate it when a girl has a nose job. However, it depends on the doctor. My ex girlfriend and her friends all had decent noses already, but they wanted nose jobs to make them perfect. Supposedly this doctor was good and they were all excited to get it done. I was quite angry about it since I have seen so many disasters all over Asia. But I have to admit that after they had it done, they all looked a bit better. Nobody even knows my ex girlfriend got a nose job now because it looks so natural. I still don't think it was worth the gamble, but it did turn out well. When I see a girl with a messed up nose job, I won't even consider taking her from a go-go. It's a big turn off for me.
MichaelSamuel
12-31-16, 02:53
I did really well my first trip using the Bangkok Top 10 guide from eyewitness publications, nytimes travel section and general internet research. Then for mongering just spending a lot of time reading this forum. Like anything on the internet there is a lot to wade through. And a superstar restaurant today is tomorrow's disaster. In reality only that top eschelon of restaurants ever keep their standard after getting attention and being successful. There isn't anything p4 p wise in Bangkok which is at the level except maybe something like Lord and that's only for looks or tulip or snow white for service. The combination of those 2 just doesn't exist.
Other good sources are reading through Stick's archives, found some good information there as well. And on food migrationology.
I will be in BKK and Pattaya in Feb. To be the most efficient in BKK, I would like to engage a tour guide to show me around for a few hours. Several days perhaps, Can anyone recommend a tour guide. This person could also provide sensual services as well, but I don't want to pay an hourly rate for an Escort or FL when I am standing in line looking at a Temple or Palace.
Thanks for your support.
Does everyone disagree with me, and I am the weird one? Are changed noses invisible to everyone else? I do see that most guys just accept the nose enhancements and don't see the big impact on the looks.Ok, you asked me in another thread if I encountered many nose jobs among the girls on a dating site. I would say I have not chosen any girls on a dating site with a nose that looks like some of those "after" pictures you posted here. In fact, I'm not sure I have ever chosen a girl in a go-go bar, beer bar, BJ bar or off the street with a nose like some of those pics. By that, I mean the obvious (to me) nose jobs that distort a girl's looks without improving them.
However, I might have been with some girls who had nose jobs but they were so good I didn't notice anything weird. I suspect that is a common feeling here about girls with nose jobs; if there is something weird about the girl's face, whether a nose job had anything to do with it or not, we probably wouldn't choose her based on her looks but perhaps choose her for some other reason like personality or attitude.
I suspect some of us are skittish about telling you so-and-so did or didn't have a nose job when the subject comes up because you are so sensitive to the issue and studied on it in the teeniest, tiniest detail. We are afraid to say some girl didn't have a nose job for fear you will produce a pic of her a week later and say, "Oh no! You are wrong!! See that little flare right there on the inner right side edge of her left nostril? That's a dead giveaway! Horrible!!" LOL.
I suspect some of us are skittish about telling you so-and-so did or didn't have a nose job when the subject comes up because you are so sensitive to the issue and studied on it in the teeniest, tiniest detail. We are afraid to say some girl didn't have a nose job for fear you will produce a pic of her a week later and say, "Oh no! You are wrong!! See that little flare right there on the inner right side edge of her left nostril? That's a dead giveaway! Horrible!!" LOL.Ha ha, you crack me up. However partially valid point. It can be ridiculous to claim a girl has a natural nose if the nose job is really obvious. I was mystified when BKK Dog said Jail Birdz had no surgeries girls. He must have meant he did not see any tit jobs in the Jacuzzi section. However there are certainly quite a few nose jobs in the bar and some silicone tits as well. We all know that every big bar with a lot of girls has surgeries girls. Tiny bars, maybe not.
However it is okay to specify a girl is all natural if nothing is detectable. I don't actually ask girls about there noses normally. I make up my own mind, or simply do not select the bad nose girls, whether fake or natural.
I gather you won't be choosing bad nose job girls either, but may not be too concerned about exactly what is wrong with the girl's look.
Noses is known as my favorite tail of woe. 20 years ago I was a Soapy MP customer big time. I came to know very well what real Thai noses looked like. These days, 90% of girls in the up market Soapies have nose jobs. It has dampened my attendance at Soapies very dramatically. Tit jobs are also very prevalent. Thai and Asian customers like that stuff (not all).
In CH I had a regular girl No. 91 with a very good nose job. If someone said she had a natural nose, including her initially, I would not be too upset at all. So I am not against nose jobs, is just that 80 to 90% of them are bad nose jobs, that do not look good. I am very much against nose jobs for girls with a previously very cute nose, where the nose job just made them look silly.
I prefer bars with a significant number of all natural girls. So Baccara and RB5 do not work well for me.
I prefer bars with a significant number of all natural girls.I prefer girls to not have a nose job, however, I don't mind if they have a boob job.
I prefer girls to not have a nose job, however, I don't mind if they have a boob job.In the old days, you could get a girl with no tats, no piercings, no nose job, and no silicones. In the modern day, good luck, it is very difficult.
First I got used to tats, because almost all the girls have them. 2nd I got used to piercings if only minor, good nose jobs, and lastly even take silicones if a good job, not too ballooning and not too hard (subtle jobs). Silicone tits I possibly take even less frequently than a nose job. E. g. I took Crazy House girl with a nicely done enhanced nose but never took a tit enhanced girl. I just wasn't necessary. Nose enhancements are more common.
For me silicone tits or sag bags are both quite boring and have a negative assessment on the girl's rating. Face piercings are also a negative point for me. If a nose job is good, no negative weighting. If it is really bad, then girl is ruled out. Minor tats have no negative weighting, but please not on face, or tits. Prefer tats normally hidden by clothing.
The one thing that has improved in the modern day is less young girls are taking up smoking. It must have finally became unfashionable and unnecessary. Smoking is another really boring thing for me, however obviously had plenty of favorite girls over time who did smoke.
It is still possible to find stunning girls without any of these negative aspects, other than the tattoos. The chances that they are also a pornstar a not that great. Fun loving and GFE will do okay For me.
Most of my favorite performers on the bed are likely to have several defects. Always making compromises. However silicones and nose jobs are not the most likely compromises.
I like to have a variety. Some girls have big naturals, some have almost no tits. Different girls have different strong points and weak points. Not one girl is absolute perfection in every category. I keep thinking I would like to add a really pretty girl or too in the cuddly non-skinny figure group, but yet to find them, at the moment. Voluptuous body usually brings a fat face too. However I certainly do and will take girls a bit thick if very pretty. Had one favorite girl from Croatia like that with face better than Pamela Anderson, thighs just a bit thick.
Once the thighs are so fat, that they bang together with no gap, the sexiness of the gap is lost. I also like curvy, so if waist is more than 75% of the around the thighs measurement, then its probably a no go for me. 60% to 70% is the normal range. So inter thigh gap and waist to thigh ratios could easily be my favorite topic. I am really observant of all aspects of a girl, which is why I like to see them on an elevated stage nude and in good lighting, for the automatic evaluation process. Naturally girls with severe baby damage are not normally dancing nude, so serious damage gets ruled out quickly. It's too embarrassing to have to ask a freelancer with clothes on, how bad is her belly scarring and how saggy are her tits. Its a lot easier just to see it up front. I often rule out girls with no shape, lacking curves, regardless of whether they have bolt-ONS, but don't make a big issue about it in my reports, because bars have always had girls with poor shape, as does any venue. It has been particularly the nose jobs that have become so common and really dominate some Soapies, and some bars.
I never go for a really broad face. Narrow face, small noses, big mouth, and big eyes, works for me.
I prefer girls to not have a nose job, however, I don't mind if they have a boob job.In the old days, you could get a girl with no tats, no piercings, no nose job, and no silicones. In the modern day, good luck, it is very difficult.
First I got used to tats, because almost all the girls have them. 2nd I got used to piercings if only minor, good nose jobs, and lastly even take silicones if a good job, not too ballooning and not too hard (subtle jobs). Silicone tits I possibly take even less frequently than a nose job. E. g. I took Crazy House girl with a nicely done enhanced nose but never took a tit enhanced girl. I just wasn't necessary. Nose enhancements are more common.
For me silicone tits or sag bags are both quite boring and have a negative assessment on the girl's rating. Face piercings are also a negative point for me. If a nose job is good, no negative weighting. If it is really bad, then girl is ruled out. Minor tats have no negative weighting, but please not on face, or tits. Prefer tats normally hidden by clothing.
The one thing that has improved in the modern day is less young girls are taking up smoking. It must have finally became unfashionable and unnecessary. Smoking is another really boring thing for me, however obviously had plenty of favorite girls over time who did smoke.
It is still possible to find stunning girls without any of these negative aspects, other than the tattoos. The chances that they are also a pornstar a not that great. Fun loving and GFE will do okay For me.
Most of my favorite performers on the bed are likely to have several defects. Always making compromises. However silicones and nose jobs are not the most likely compromises.
I like to have a variety. Some girls have big naturals, some have almost no tits. Different girls have different strong points and weak points. Not one girl is absolute perfection in every category. I keep thinking I would like to add a really pretty girl or too in the cuddly non-skinny figure group, but yet to find them, at the moment. Voluptuous body usually brings a fat face too. However I certainly do and will take girls a bit thick if very pretty. Had one favorite girl from Croatia like that with face better than Pamela Anderson, thighs just a bit thick.
Once the thighs are so fat, that they bang together with no gap, the sexiness of the gap is lost. I also like curvy, so if waist is more than 75% of the around the thighs measurement, then its probably a no go for me. 60% to 70% is the normal range. So inter thigh gap and waist to thigh ratios could easily be my favorite topic. I am really observant of all aspects of a girl, which is why I like to see them on an elevated stage nude and in good lighting, for the automatic evaluation process. Naturally girls with severe baby damage are not normally dancing nude, so serious damage gets ruled out quickly. It's too embarrassing to have to ask a freelancer with clothes on, how bad is her belly scarring and how saggy are her tits. Its a lot easier just to see it up front. I often rule out girls with no shape, lacking curves, regardless of whether they have bolt-ONS, but don't make a big issue about it in my reports, because bars have always had girls with poor shape, as does any venue. It has been particularly the nose jobs that have become so common and really dominate some Soapies, and some bars.
I never go for a really broad face. Narrow face, small noses, big mouth, and big eyes, works for me.
Sorry did not notice I posted twice accidentally.
Crocodilexp
01-01-17, 08:51
I wonder what percentage of nose jobs are really an improvement?
Does everyone disagree with me, and I am the weird one? Are changed noses invisible to everyone else? I do see that most guys just accept the nose enhancements and don't see the big impact on the looks.
As they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Personally, I like the natural, cute Thai girl-next-door look, so even the decent nose jobs (very few of those) are almost never an improvement. I don't even like makeup all that much, unless very subtle. On the other hand, many guys prefer the made-up-to-the-tees glamorous out-to-kill looks, and that group might find more nosejobs appealing.
Among Thai girls, especially lower-class, nose job is a major expense, so there's a tendency to go to cheaper doctors and also to exaggerate the effect (why do it if the change is barely visible! Maybe some Hi-sos have subtle nosejobs that improve their looks, but among middle / lower classes and bargirls, I'd say very, very few do.
Of the Thai girl nosejobs I've seen so far, 50% are outright disastrous, 30% are a waste of money but can be tolerated, and the other 20% don't do much for me, but I can see how somebody could regard them as an improvement.
Ralph Kramden
01-02-17, 07:48
Just a few information items that have probably been reported below but perhaps worth repeating.
The train option from the airport worked very well for me. I recommend it and will use it in the future. It operates the same as the MRT. You can connect to the MRT at Petchuburi or the Sky Train at the last stop.
I tried to buy Kamagra at two pharmacies in the downtown Soi 4 area without success. It seems to have been forced out onto the street market by the made in Thai option, which I bought a package of four tablets for 300.
There are money changers on a side street between Soi 4 and 5 that offer rates slightly better than banks. The location is in the muslim area. All things considered given the global terrorism threat I did not feel unsafe in that area but it was in the middle of the afternoon.
Also considering the global muslim terror threat, I found that the security on the MRT and Sky train seemed shockingly lax, but not so at the Paragon shopping center.
Just a few information items that have probably been reported below but perhaps worth repeating.
The train option from the airport worked very well for me. I recommend it and will use it in the future. It operates the same as the MRT. You can connect to the MRT at Petchuburi or the Sky Train at the last stop.
I tried to buy Kamagra at two pharmacies in the downtown Soi 4 area without success. It seems to have been forced out onto the street market by the made in Thai option, which I bought a package of four tablets for 300.
There are money changers on a side street between Soi 4 and 5 that offer rates slightly better than banks. The location is in the muslim area. All things considered given the global terrorism threat I did not feel unsafe in that area but it was in the middle of the afternoon.
Also considering the global muslim terror threat, I found that the security on the MRT and Sky train seemed shockingly lax, but not so at the Paragon shopping center.I think you mean money changers between Soi 3 and 5 in the Arab section. They do offer a better rate and do not have any visible security around. Let me just say that they do offer better rates for the USD without ID and logging in the serial numbers and the money changing area is very safe. My assumption is that the operation and area is controlled by some group of people that common thugs and thieves are dealt with rather harshly.
MichaelSamuel
01-03-17, 03:41
Unless something changed in the last month the larger pharmacy along sukhumvit just past soi 4 next to bullys pub sells kamigra and gives discount for purchases of 10 packs of 4. It's been my go to for years without a problem in quality or availability.
Just a few information items that have probably been reported below but perhaps worth repeating.
The train option from the airport worked very well for me. I recommend it and will use it in the future. It operates the same as the MRT. You can connect to the MRT at Petchuburi or the Sky Train at the last stop.
I tried to buy Kamagra at two pharmacies in the downtown Soi 4 area without success. It seems to have been forced out onto the street market by the made in Thai option, which I bought a package of four tablets for 300.
There are money changers on a side street between Soi 4 and 5 that offer rates slightly better than banks. The location is in the muslim area. All things considered given the global terrorism threat I did not feel unsafe in that area but it was in the middle of the afternoon.
Also considering the global muslim terror threat, I found that the security on the MRT and Sky train seemed shockingly lax, but not so at the Paragon shopping center.
I tried to buy Kamagra at two pharmacies in the downtown Soi 4 area without success. It seems to have been forced out onto the street market by the made in Thai option, which I bought a package of four tablets for 300.
Some Pharmacies do not sell it, e. G. Boots, Watsons, etc. However both Kamagra and Sidegra should be available at the correct Pharmacy next to Bullys. I bought several sorts of medications there just a couple of weeks ago.
It would a very surprising development if we were going to suddenly required to get prescriptions, and generics were all cleaned out.
Ralph Kramden
01-03-17, 05:34
I think you mean money changers between Soi 3 and 5 in the Arab section. They do offer a better rate and do not have any visible security around. Let me just say that they do offer better rates for the USD without ID and logging in the serial numbers and the money changing area is very safe. My assumption is that the operation and area is controlled by some group of people that common thugs and thieves are dealt with rather harshly.Sorry I didn't pay that much attention to the actual address and thank you for your correction. A Thai operator of a nearby pharmacy recommended them which was good enough for me.
Ralph Kramden
01-03-17, 05:36
Unless something changed in the last month the larger pharmacy along sukhumvit just past soi 4 next to bullys pub sells kamigra and gives discount for purchases of 10 packs of 4. It's been my go to for years without a problem in quality or availability.I checked with two different pharmacies so incorrectly assumed Kamagra was not available in a pharmacy after the second operator told me it was available on the street. I will try the place near Bully's next time.
Unless something changed in the last month the larger pharmacy along sukhumvit just past soi 4 next to bullys pub sells kamigra and gives discount for purchases of 10 packs of 4. It's been my go to for years without a problem in quality or availability.Also the small one sells it.
As well as the one oppsite the NEP entrance.
Worth to say they might be out of stock from time to time. That wild last a few days.
That happened to me in August.
Robert Long
01-15-17, 01:09
What is the thinnest condom on the market? And where can I buy in Bkk?
What is the thinnest condom on the market? And where can I buy in Bkk?I think it's these. Some Indonesian guy recommended them. He said he bought them on the internet in Jakarta. I bought some on ebay in the US, but I haven't tried them yet. Not sure where they would have them in BKK.
What is the thinnest condom on the market? And where can I buy in Bkk?You could try the Japanese condoms made from polyurethane, I guess.
I usually buy Durex Comfort which are a less tight fit, have bulbous tip, for easier put on and more comfort, and have somewhat thinner latex. I don't say they are the best but generally available, and improve feeling for me. The danger is that due to "easy on", they are also easy off. If condom starts slipping too much due to lube, may have to change it. I always take my own condoms, as often dislike the ones girls might provide. I also have my own non sticky gel from overseas. There have been occasions when I had to check the condom was still on if feeling got a little "too good". Can be just an exceptionally nice pussy.
Asian Rain
01-15-17, 08:01
What is the thinnest condom on the market? And where can I buy in Bkk?The thinnest condom that you can buy over the counter in a retail shop is the Sagami Original 002. It is available in Boots for circa THB65 per condom. Very nice packaging and easy to roll on. Red-colored pack is the original smaller "Asian" size and the black-colored pack is the larger size.
If you are living here, you can use Lazada to order the real thinnest condoms you can get in BKK by home delivery. They have suppliers for Sagami 001, Okamoto 001 or the Aoni 001. None of these super-thin condoms are available in any retail shop.
Both the Sagami and Okamoto are polyurethane, roll on very easily and have superior heat transfer. They will be snug-to-tight fit if you have a wider (not longer) cock. Both products are very expensive at circa THB170 per condom, so you may want to try them before you invest in boxes. I have tried both and there is no perceptible difference. I personally use Sagami 001 as it has superior packaging, zero odor, best heat transfer and thin lubrication which goes well with my silicone lube.
The Aoni 001 condoms are made of latex and they have a Guinness Book claim to be the worlds thinnest. I have tried them and they are indeed thin with good heat transfer. They are about half the price of the Japanese The only downside was that they tend to roll back down during sex, which I experienced and has also been documented in customer reviews on Amazon. Stopped using them after that.
If you are looking for thin and reasonable price, I suggest to go with the Sagami Original 002 (red or black) available over the counter at Boots. Honestly I would like to say that there was a super-appreciable difference between the Sagami 002 and 001 products, but really there isn't.
FYI, I have never managed to get any silicone-based lube in BKK. Have to get it when abroad in Singapore. If you really want to enjoy more, suggest to get IDMillenium or Wet Platinum silicone lube and it will really take things to a new level. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
Both the Sagami and Okamoto are polyurethane, roll on very easily and have superior heat transfer. Can you explain, what is the big deal about "heat transfer"? You want your dick to be hotter? I don't quite get it. I love the feel of cool hands lightly on my balls, but that may be irrelevant.
Can you explain, what is the big deal about "heat transfer"? You want your dick to be hotter? I don't quite get it. I love the feel of cool hands lightly on my balls, but that may be irrelevant.I guess it means it takes less time for you to feel the heat sensation (cold sentation) of something hotter (colder) around your cock. Theoretically it's a good thing as it gives you a feeling less remote from a non-condom situation, in which case heat transfer is virtually instataneous (same speed as nerve impulse speed).
Both the Sagami and Okamoto are polyurethane, roll on very easily and have superior heat transfer.
Roll on very easily? Euh ..... That's the catch. I use them but I must say getting them on is always some kind of hassle.
Robert Long
01-17-17, 09:45
The thinnest condom that you can buy over the counter in a retail shop is the Sagami Original 002. It is available in Boots for circa THB65 per condom. Very nice packaging and easy to roll on. Red-colored pack is the original smaller "Asian" size and the black-colored pack is the larger size.
If you are living here, you can use Lazada to order the real thinnest condoms you can get in BKK by home delivery. They have suppliers for Sagami 001, Okamoto 001 or the Aoni 001. None of these super-thin condoms are available in any retail shop.
Both the Sagami and Okamoto are polyurethane, roll on very easily and have superior heat transfer. They will be snug-to-tight fit if you have a wider (not longer) cock. Both products are very expensive at circa THB170 per condom, so you may want to try them before you invest in boxes. I have tried both and there is no perceptible difference. I personally use Sagami 001 as it has superior packaging, zero odor, best heat transfer and thin lubrication which goes well with my silicone lube.
The Aoni 001 condoms are made of latex and they have a Guinness Book claim to be the worlds thinnest. I have tried them and they are indeed thin with good heat transfer. They are about half the price of the Japanese The only downside was that they tend to roll back down during sex, which I experienced and has also been documented in customer reviews on Amazon. Stopped using them after that.
If you are looking for thin and reasonable price, I suggest to go with the Sagami Original 002 (red or black) available over the counter at Boots. Honestly I would like to say that there was a super-appreciable difference between the Sagami 002 and 001 products, but really there isn't.
FYI, I have never managed to get any silicone-based lube in BKK. Have to get it when abroad in Singapore. If you really want to enjoy more, suggest to get IDMillenium or Wet Platinum silicone lube and it will really take things to a new level. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.Where is Boots. I don't live here but I just arrived and need to know. Thanks.
RL.
Where is Boots. I don't live here but I just arrived and need to know. Thanks.
RL.I really don't believe you man. You have internet, you have a computer, you have Google Maps. Switch on brain in head instead of in dick. LOL. You are sufficiently non dinosaur to make an ISG post.
I suppose I did not allow for those that cannot read Maps, like many Thai females.
I recall Times Square and Soi 23 for starters, but we don't know where you arrived to.
Wolvenvacht
01-17-17, 20:04
Where is Boots. I don't live here but I just arrived and need to know. Thanks.
RL.Most shopping malls have Boots. There is one inside the building at the corner of Soi 23 and Sukhumvit Road and really every few hundred meter all along Sukhumvit Road: they are the 7/11 of the chemists.
http://www.th.boots.com/
Robert Long
01-18-17, 12:10
I really don't believe you man. You have internet, you have a computer, you have Google Maps. Switch on brain in head instead of in dick. LOL. You are sufficiently non dinosaur to make an ISG post.
I suppose I did not allow for those that cannot read Maps, like many Thai females.
I recall Times Square and Soi 23 for starters, but we don't know where you arrived to.You don't need to make comments like that. If you can't say something positive like the rest of the members, don't comment. There is many reasons that I could not google at that time. Give us all a break with your negatives.
RL.
Somewhere15
01-18-17, 12:52
You don't need to make comments like that. If you can't say something positive like the rest of the members, don't comment. There is many reasons that I could not google at that time. Give us all a break with your negatives.
RL.Better not to react RL.
Most of this replies give so many non-info or it is a judgments and demonstrations of their own (better) experience.
I guess they kick on the high number of posts.
You don't need to make comments like that. If you can't say something positive like the rest of the members, don't comment. There is many reasons that I could not google at that time. Give us all a break with your negatives.
RL.Some of us do make an effort to give info, where it is difficult to obtain. Do tell us why you could not use Google at the time. I am intrigued. If you explained why you could not get info, people would be more than willing to put in some effort to help.
I would be far to embarrassed to ask where the Boots shops were. I am not that lazy.
You don't need to make comments like that. If you can't say something positive like the rest of the members, don't comment. There is many reasons that I could not google at that time. Give us all a break with your negatives.Maybe Syzygies should have his own thread assigned to him, as he completely dominates the Thailand one.
By my reckoning he must spend around 2 hours or more every day composing posts for ISG.
Personally, I don't find his posts very useful any more as they are full of his opinions expressed over and over again and I can't be bothered reading them any more.
This is my own opinion. Others will, of course, have their own opinions.
The thinnest condom that you can buy over the counter in a retail shop is the Sagami Original 002. It is available in Boots for circa THB65 per condom. Very nice packaging and easy to roll on. Red-colored pack is the original smaller "Asian" size and the black-colored pack is the larger size.
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Both the Sagami and Okamoto are polyurethane, roll on very easily and have superior heat transfer. They will be snug-to-tight fit if you have a wider (not longer) cock. Both products are very expensive at circa THB170 per condom, so you may want to try them before you invest in boxes. I have tried both and there is no perceptible difference. I personally use Sagami 001 as it has superior packaging, zero odor, best heat transfer and thin lubrication which goes well with my silicone lube.
.The trouble with the polyurethane condoms is that they chafe the head of my penis after a session that lasts anything longer than a minute or two. Tried several sizes but they all do it. For that reason reluctantly went back to rubber as the point about sensation and heat transfer is certainly true.
Maybe Syzygies should have his own thread assigned to him, as he completely dominates the Thailand one.
By my reckoning he must spend around 2 hours or more every day composing posts for ISG.
Personally, I don't find his posts very useful any more as they are full of his opinions expressed over and over again and I can't be bothered reading them any more.
This is my own opinion. Others will, of course, have their own opinions.His only goal in life probably is to hit the 10,000 mark of all posts with little or no use! I to also skip right over his thread oops sorry posts!
Crazy4Thai
01-19-17, 04:49
Maybe Syzygies should have his own thread assigned to him, as he completely dominates the Thailand one.
By my reckoning he must spend around 2 hours or more every day composing posts for ISG.
Personally, I don't find his posts very useful any more as they are full of his opinions expressed over and over again and I can't be bothered reading them any more.
This is my own opinion. Others will, of course, have their own opinions.Well said. I have not put him on ignore but I do tend to ignore. I see that you too have read enough of his posts that you can close your own as if he wrote it. My suggestion for Syzygies would be to spend some time on the PI forum (a widely known term) to see how real reporting is done. I've decided to break away from Thailand in a couple of months for a PI adventure and this is based largely on the good helpful intel posted on that forum regularly by you and your fellow members. I'm not posting here much as I'm not mongering much. I usually prefer to post reports of experience rather than my opinion.
What are the best sites to find talent online?
/ Kirsia.
Member #4698
01-19-17, 21:53
You guys should be careful what you wish for. Syzygies is a significant valuable asset to the BKK forum. Sure, not all of his posts knock it out of the ball park, whose do? But when he is on point there are few better informed and more giving than him. This thread would surely feel the loss if he suddenly decided to clam up. That's my two baht anyway.
Fast Eddie 48
01-19-17, 22:36
Where is Boots. I don't live here but I just arrived and need to know. Thanks.
RL.To RL.
Boots are everywhere in BKK at all the large Malls if you just arrived they have it in the both Bangkok airport also.
Fast Eddie 48.
I guess it means it takes less time for you to feel the heat sensation (cold sentation) of something hotter (colder) around your cock. Theoretically it's a good thing as it gives you a feeling less remote from a non-condom situation, in which case heat transfer is virtually instataneous (same speed as nerve impulse speed).
Roll on very easily? Euh ..... That's the catch. I use them but I must say getting them on is always some kind of hassle.Agreed. I find Sagami to be a great condom but a big hassle to put on. By the time that process is completed I'm sometimes not ready to go as I've lost the erection. I've tried both the 01 and 02's and don't notice much difference in size. Any thoughts on something just the same as Sagami but a bit larger? I have yet to find that.
You guys should be careful what you wish for. Syzygies is a significant valuable asset to the BKK forum. Sure, not all of his posts knock it out of the ball park, whose do? But when he is on point there are few better informed and more giving than him. This thread would surely feel the loss if he suddenly decided to clam up. That's my two baht anyway.My post was meant to be funny it did not come out like that, I've learned some good tidbits from him in past.
I usually prefer to post reports of experience rather than my opinion.Agreed that actual intel is useful, where as continual opining grates. IME when a message board member averages a bunch of post per day every day for years on end it tends to be 90% blah blah blah.
SL.
You guys should be careful what you wish for. Syzygies is a significant valuable asset to the BKK forum. Sure, not all of his posts knock it out of the ball park, whose do? But when he is on point there are few better informed and more giving than him. This thread would surely feel the loss if he suddenly decided to clam up. That's my two baht anyway.Agree 1000%. I have learned much from Mr. S. and others who have a very large number of posts. Let's all be nicer to each other and move on. It is easy to skim past posts or posters that do not interest you. I suggest we all do that as needed.
Crazy4Thai
01-24-17, 12:08
Agree 1000%. I have learned much from Mr. S. and others who have a very large number of posts. Let's all be nicer to each other and move on. It is easy to skim past posts or posters that do not interest you. I suggest we all do that as needed.Really I'm not trying to chase him away. Better to encourage than to criticize so I'll be more careful with my phrasing in the future. But not to worry, he is over in the Bangkok thread again judging someone's post as "silly". I think the frequent judgement bothers me more than the blah blah blah, "my spec". And believe me I DO skim past.
Banana Boi
01-24-17, 19:07
Imo the ONLY useful posts are actual reviews on gogo bars, massage parlors, bars, etc. We do not need weekly discussions on condoms and penis enhancing drugs. Sure that information was useful the FIRST TIME it was ever posted but it does not need to be posted on a monthly basis. The responsibility lies on the individual seeking info to use the search function and RTFF.
I personally think Syzygies is an invaluable source of information for Thailand and Germany information. We have very different taste in girls and definitely do not always share the same opinions but to call him out is asinine.
Now if I can only get him down to Pattaya to see what real gogo bar fun is!
Imo the ONLY useful posts are actual reviews on gogo bars, massage parlors, bars, etc. Interesting. See, imo the ONLY useful posts are actual reviews of P4 P girls who are known to be up for BBBJ+CIM (preferably + swallow) and BBFS with their customers or reviews of girls who refuse either of those services. Girls who are not up for either of those services are of no use to me in a P4 P environment. Therefore, posts or reports that do not include whether or not the girl is up for one or the other are mostly a waste of bandwidth here as far as I'm concerned.
Reading about someone else's personal face and body specs is of no use to me at all. Reading about which girls in which locations fit those specs is of no use to me at all. I've got eyes and my vision is still pretty good. I can determine which girls are attractive to me, which are not and approach the ones who are without checking badge numbers and knowing names in advance.
I wish every report and post simply told me the locations, names and badge numbers of the girls who will or won't be up for BBBJ+CIM (preferably + swallow) and BBFS so I won't waste nearly as much time and money on the hunt trying to weed out those who will provide neither. But how to get everyone here to comply with my personal wishes? It never occurred to me to just berate posters for moving into and exploring topics that do not specifically address my personal wishes in hopes that they will get back to the topics I want.
Interesting. See, imo the ONLY useful posts are actual reviews of P4 P girls who are known to be up for BBBJ+CIM (preferably + swallow) and BBFS with their customers or reviews of girls who refuse either of those services. Girls who are not up for either of those services are of no use to me in a P4 P environment. Therefore, posts or reports that do not include whether or not the girl is up for one or the other are mostly a waste of bandwidth here as far as I'm concerned.
Reading about someone else's personal face and body specs is of no use to me at all. Reading about which girls in which locations fit those specs is of no use to me at all. I've got eyes and my vision is still pretty good. I can determine which girls are attractive to me, which are not and approach the ones who are without checking badge numbers and knowing names in advance.
I wish every report and post simply told me the locations, names and badge numbers of the girls who will or won't be up for BBBJ+CIM (preferably + swallow) and BBFS so I won't waste nearly as much time and money on the hunt trying to weed out those who will provide neither. But how to get everyone here to comply with my personal wishes? It never occurred to me to just berate posters for moving into and exploring topics that do not specifically address my personal wishes in hopes that they will get back to the topics I want.People's specs are important to me. If they are far away from mine; I won't bother wasting my time at the venue. Performance is important as well of course.
People's specs are important to me. If they are far away from mine; I won't bother wasting my time at the venue. Performance is important as well of course.Sure, reading whether the girl in question was "early 20's, tall and slender" or "mid 30's, short with a pretty face and large breasts", that kind of thing, would likely come up in the course of each such report anyway, I think. But learning time and time again which kind of nose, boobs and hairstyle appeals to someone provides limited usefulness (to me) in actual practice.
If I read a particular group of girls in a venue seem to be competing against each other for the all-time Greatest BBBJ+CIM+Swallow Championship Award, I doubt I would decide against visiting the place because I'd read nothing about good or bad nose jobs, boob jobs and hairstyle specs from this particular reporter and could not rely on the specs for those details to make it worth the bts fare.
By the same token, if the reporter waxes on and on about the superior natural beauty his lady's must possess, of this one's nose and the balerina perfection of that one's calves but cannot say whether they're up for BBFS or if the girls know what finishing a BJ like a BJ and not a HJ means because he didn't ask, being so stunned to find himself alone in the room with such physical awesomeness as he was, I probably wouldn't even bother making note of what soi those venues were located on. LOL.
People's specs are important to me. If they are far away from mine; I won't bother wasting my time at the venue. Performance is important as well of course.Absolutely spot on. It is useless for a guy to say a girl was fanastic, if we don't know what he looks for. If I think a girl is great, then Goatscrot and others can ignore, because they know all I wanted was a natural girl, not fat, good body, minor flaws accepted, face above average, no large noses, and an enthusiastic GFE, slow-mo BBBJ, and will pay more for a stunner. I never care about 2 shots, CIM, anal, rimming, massage, "the venue", etc. The reader needs to know that. It maybe boring but I always add the warnings. Likewise I need other guys to report if the Escort was natural or had surgeries, as an example. Some guys seem to refuse to divulge that the girl had fake tits, and others specify it, no problems.
Thinking about going to South Korea to monger. Is it worth the trip?
StudPlayer
02-10-17, 00:11
What has happened with Giotto and his lodge?
What has happened with Giotto and his lodge?His lodge is long gone, but have met the old buzzard on occasion.
Thinking about going to South Korea to monger. Is it worth the trip?Why don't you ask on the South Korea forum?
LittleBigMan
02-11-17, 01:28
Expensive that is why Koreans come here for holiday and spend what they do.
Expensive that is why Koreans come here for holiday and spend what they do.People on that forum are bound to be biased. I guess he seeks a comparison by guys who like Thailand. Seems fair enough to me, considering this is the general thread.
well . . . I had a similar incident many years ago. I threw out a "non-performing" (at least for me) out of my room with "taxi money", because I was not willing to pay for bad service. She didn't came back with her pimp or someone similar, but with the police. So I had to deal with a furious girl and some police officer in the middle of the night right in the hotel lobby. In the end we were forced to compromise by the officer, but if things had turned out bad I could have ended up in a cell at some police station at Sukhumvit area. Much later I realised that was kind of lucky that night.
Never again I will let something like this happen to me.You never want to get into seriously ugly altercations with Thai people. You don't know who their friends are and how badly they want revenge. Example. A Thai person I know was bickering with a Thai woman who was her neighbour. Don't know what they argued about. Turns out the woman was minor wife / GF of big policeman in Lumpini. So the woman arranged to have the Lumpini police come (even wrong district) and plant a sizeable quantity of Ice. Someone ended up doing a prison stretch for these planted drugs, since quantity was deemed sufficient to be a dealer. Could have been a million Baht bribe needed to get out of that one. Police are corrupt but courts seem to believe them. Consider the Burmese guys at Koh Tao sentenced to death, for something where evidence was changed and manipulated by the police. Very likely they were set up for it.
I never take girls back to my apartment. I use ST Hotels to be safer, especially with freelancers, or any girl not very well known by myself.
I saw a Farang exiting the Thermae arguing with a Thai girl, and being unwilling to let the issue drop. He subsequently got beaten up by a pack of Thai boys.
Always try not to be in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. Above all don't be a big asshole. Shit happens.
I know alcohol sales are banned for the day, so I'm guessing any bar / club will be shut down. What about the MP's? I have also read that since it fell on a weekend, the holiday will be observed on Monday as well. I'm guessing all bars / clubs shut down then as well? Thanks for any info.
LittleBigMan
02-11-17, 16:31
People on that forum are bound to be biased. I guess he seeks a comparison by guys who like Thailand. Seems fair enough to me, considering this is the general thread.I used to go to Korea before I ever step foot regularly to Thailand in the 70's and early 80's, the last time was in 1986, in Hong Kong for my regular holiday and took a short trip because told by locals in H. K. It will not be the same after the Olympics and sure enough everything I've heard since points to it being true mainly the prices. If price isn't a concern I say why not. Although overall my experience with Korean women was good especially the service I think today it is nothing like then? Then, I use to pay something like $40.00 USD, for all day all night, change girl each day, and pick the new one by just picking up the phone and 4-5 girls would be at my door to check out to pick. Those days your talk about service, they help you undress, wash you and fold your clothes, even had one try to wipe my butt after I took a dump, that was too much service. Those days it seem no one heard or use a condom.
From another website. Thought this might interest those of you that spend a lot of time or live in Bangkok.
http://coconuts.co/bangkok/features/13-girls-youll-date-bangkok/
Member #4698
02-15-17, 20:30
I used to go to Korea before I ever step foot regularly to Thailand in the 70's and early 80's, the last time was in 1986 <snip> overall my experience with Korean women was good especially the service I think today it is nothing like then? Then, I use to pay something like $40.00 USD, for all day all night, change girl each day, and pick the new one by just picking up the phone and 4-5 girls would be at my door to check out to pick. Those days your talk about service, they help you undress, wash you and fold your clothes, even had one try to wipe my butt after I took a dump, that was too much service. Those days it seem no one heard or use a condom.Stop! You are killing me. 555.
From another website. Thought this might interest those of you that spend a lot of time or live in Bangkok.
http://coconuts.co/bangkok/features/13-girls-youll-date-bangkok/Since this is written by girls, I think we might actually learn more by what they think on the topic of 14 Guys you (the girls) will date in Bangkok.
How many of us want to really date girls. If we are honest most of us only want to fuck them.
Since this is written by girls, I think we might actually learn more by what they think on the topic of 14 Guys you (the girls) will date in Bangkok.
How many of us want to really date girls. If we are honest most of us only want to fuck them.IMHO, you cannot take what girls say at face value. It is sometimes hard to fathom the situation if you listen to their dribble and try to understand them. When you want to get to the last act, you have to at least appear interested in their feelings, idea, and welfare. And appear to be intently interested in what they are saying. As Benicio del Toro said in the Heineken ad, I have been working on that look for 15 years.
Is a 1 hour connection between a flight from USA arriving at airport in Seoul, connecting to flight leaving.
For BKK 1 hour later. Was wondering if I would have to exit / change terminals, go thru security etc. Before getting to 2nd flight.
Banana Boi
02-17-17, 11:01
I have a question about Route 4 and was hoping someone has already taken it. Question 1 is does it go in both directions to / from Bali Hai to the Naklua Lan Pho market? It looks like it starts at Bali Hai Pier (ie. Mixx disco), goes along 3rd Road, then cuts down to Pattaya-Naklua Road. Am I correct? Are they readily available at Bali Hai Pier at 3 am as I am leaving Walking Street?
If anyone has a better map of the new routes please post.
Is a 1 hour connection between a flight from USA arriving at airport in Seoul, connecting to flight leaving.
For BKK 1 hour later. Was wondering if I would have to exit / change terminals, go thru security etc. Before getting to 2nd flight.Did you check that you arrive at ICN and transfer and depart ICN? The airport ain't that big. You have plenty of time if you just transfer. Make sure to check your bag through to your final destination and that you get your boarding passes. Just watch out for no frills airlines or switching airlines, that might present a problem. Check with your airline.
Did you check that you arrive at ICN and transfer and depart ICN? The airport ain't that big. You have plenty of time if you just transfer. Make sure to check your bag through to your final destination and that you get your boarding passes. Just watch out for no frills airlines or switching airlines, that might present a problem. Check with your airline.Yeah, both flights are at ICN on Asiana Airlines. 1st flight arrives from SFO at 5:25 pm, the next flight leaves at 6:30 pm for BKK. You think I'll be ok then?
Crazy4Thai
02-18-17, 03:35
Yeah, both flights are at ICN on Asiana Airlines. 1st flight arrives from SFO at 5:25 pm, the next flight leaves at 6:30 pm for BKK. You think I'll be ok then?Yeah, you'll be ok. When you arrive follow the signs to Transit. At some point you'll see a reader board where you'll look for your next flight number and what gate to go to. You will end up going through another security point with your carry-ONS. Then you'll go find your gate as you wander through something like a shopping mall. One hour is good, they should just about be boarding your onward flight if all is on schedule.
Yeah, both flights are at ICN on Asiana Airlines. 1st flight arrives from SFO at 5:25 pm, the next flight leaves at 6:30 pm for BKK. You think I'll be ok then?If both segments on Asiana Airlines, it should be real easy. You might even be able to swing by the lounge if you have access.
Flying 101. Check with your carrier. Don't rely on what people tell you here. Ask the right people who have all your particulars. Asiana is a full service airline.
Just make sure the pilot is not using GPS to land! LOL.
As crazy said. Look for the Transit sign or ask the staff waiting outside when you arrive. If you really want to plan. Check the arrival times for the past several flights from SFO and the Thai departure times. You should be able to find the gate numbers too. SFO might arrive early.
Is a 1 hour connection between a flight from USA arriving at airport in Seoul, connecting to flight leaving.
For BKK 1 hour later. Was wondering if I would have to exit / change terminals, go thru security etc. Before getting to 2nd flight.Hi Shemp. I don't know your carrier, but before Thai Air discontinued its North American flights, a stop at Seoul was a part of the last routing. It was billed as a "technical stop". You land, get off the plane, go through security (yes, on arrival--same as at Narita), go upstairs and immediately go to your gate for boarding. You never encounter security and technically never enter ROK.
For Thai Air, you would re-board the same aircraft (cleaned and refueled during the hour). (You cannot leave anything on board the aircraft.) I suspect your airline is doing something similar. I wouldn't worry about the time on the ground, but you definitely don't have time for a meal or a nap. Hope this is helpful / reassuring. TTG.
Wolvenvacht
02-18-17, 09:52
Yeah, you'll be ok.(snip) if all is on schedule.That's the operative clause here.
Have some delay when departing SFO, get some headwind along the route, arrive out of your slot at destination and wait for a gap in the landing sequences to fit in and you are cutting it really close.
By running you may still make it to your gate in time, but what about your luggage?
Crazy4Thai
02-18-17, 10:58
That's the operative clause here.
Have some delay when departing SFO, get some headwind along the route, arrive out of your slot at destination and wait for a gap in the landing sequences to fit in and you are cutting it really close.
By running you may still make it to your gate in time, but what about your luggage?You may well be right; I certainly would not argue the point. I was under the impression that if his connecting flight on to BKK left without him it is likely that they also left without 20 or more other passengers who were on his original flight and also bound for BKK. And for that reason the "delay" is now transferred to the onward flight as it waits for everyone and hopefully their luggage to get there. I'm sometimes naively optimistic though.
Yeah, both flights are at ICN on Asiana Airlines. 1st flight arrives from SFO at 5:25 pm, the next flight leaves at 6:30 pm for BKK. You think I'll be ok then?The one thing I can add to what has already been said is the transfer security checkpoints at Incheon can be a royal pain in the ass. I have gone through them for Asiana flights a number of times and although I don't recall whether the lines were long, the scrutiny they apply to carry-on baggage can be more substantial than TSA or other Asian checkpoints I have gone through. In a number of instances they made me take everything out of my carry on luggage and ran everything through the scanner, adding precious minutes to the time I had to spend at the checkpoint. Note, however, I tend to travel with a lot of electronics, such as cameras, lenses, tablets, laptops, and accessories and it takes me awhile to both remove everything and then re-pack it. So my advice is in order to maximize the chance you will make your connection, try to travel light with regard to carry-on items and also get to the security checkpoint as quickly as possible after your plane arrives so any delays at the security checkpoint won't make you miss your connecting flight.
Good luck!
LittleBigMan
02-18-17, 11:04
Airlines aren't going to sell you a ticket with a connection if there isn't enough time to make the connection. Sure it might seem tight but like another said they pretty much got it down. From my experience whenever a flight connection is really tight as you are deplaning usually there are customer service agents with signs looking for those passengers with short connections. They are there if needed to guide you through security ASAP so you can make the connection instead of waiting in line unnecessary. If there isn't someone and you are concern you can air out your concerns at the transfer desk and they usually if someone is missed call down the gate to hold. In general they sell you a ticket and leave you behind in a connection there are penalties against the airline plus they for example must put you on another flight, Airline, hotel, meals etc.
Yeah, both flights are at ICN on Asiana Airlines. 1st flight arrives from SFO at 5:25 pm, the next flight leaves at 6:30 pm for BKK. You think I'll be ok then?Are you sure you are on Asiana and not Korean Air?
Are you sure you are on Asiana and not Korean Air?100% sure. I'm booked thru United using FF miles. OZ 211 from SFO to ICN, then OZ 741 from ICN to BKK.
100% sure. I'm booked thru United using FF miles. OZ 211 from SFO to ICN, then OZ 741 from ICN to BKK.I've done that exact trip many times, and Asiana is one of the finest airlines in the business. The crew is fantastic, the planes are spotless, the food is great, and you're going to love your trip. Having said that, however, they have no control over weather conditions, and planes sometimes run late due to many factors. SFO is known for delays due to fog this time of year, and the weather in Seoul is equally unpredictable. I'd be very leery of a 1 hour layover.
So I always book my trip with a few hours of layover. It gives me a chance to enjoy the many amenities at ICN, including showers, so my next leg to BKK is very enjoyable. And there is a hotel in the airport that can be rented in 6 hour blocks, rather than a full day. I always rent a room, take a nice nap and a shower, have a nice meal at the airport, and I'm totally refreshed and ready for the rest of my journey.
https://www.incheonairporthotels.com/incheon-airport-transit-hotel/
HorseTrader
02-20-17, 00:06
Is a 1 hour connection between a flight from USA arriving at airport in Seoul, connecting to flight leaving.
For BKK 1 hour later. Was wondering if I would have to exit / change terminals, go thru security etc. Before getting to 2nd flight.I think that 1 hour connection is marginal, at best. About a month ago I flew from Washington, DC, and strong head winds caused my flight time to be more than an hour longer than projected. My scheduled layover was 2. 5 hours and I made it to my 2nd flight only about 15 minutes before boarding time. A 1-hour layover simply wouldn't have worked for me. Both my flights were on Korean Air.
As other's have pointed out, you need to look for the "Transfer" signs. That is a security checkpoint (show passport, empty pockets, computer out of bag, etc.). Once you get through the transfer checkpoint, you shouldn't have any other delays to your second flight.
Yeah, both flights are at ICN on Asiana Airlines. 1st flight arrives from SFO at 5:25 pm, the next flight leaves at 6:30 pm for BKK. You think I'll be ok then?Your option would be to book yourself on a later flight leaving Incheon which is exactly what Asiana will do if you miss the connection. So if you want to get there in the quickest possible time book the tight connection as if you miss it due to unforeseen circumstances Asiana will be obliged to correct it.
100% sure. I'm booked thru United using FF miles. OZ 211 from SFO to ICN, then OZ 741 from ICN to BKK.OK. Google is your friend. Asiana will take care of you because you are routed through them and not a code share. Draw back is that it is an award ticket so you are at the bottom of list, I assume, regardless of your status. $$ talks.
Today's flight is an example of probably the worst case. 5 hour delay out of SFO. Means you will miss the BKK flight and the several others after that. The flight was late 55 min last week. But you can get on OZ's later flight or get put on another carrier that evening. With today's flight, you miss everything. If I were you, I would opt for taking the flight to BKK the next day. Borrow the phone at customer service to reschedule your hotel in BKK. Check into a hotel in ICN and hit the special places in Seoul the evening you arrive. There is a free city tour out of the airport during the day. If you haven't done that already, you can do that the next day.
Again, they might or might not pay for your hotel. With UA, most likely not. With full service Asian airlines, most likely yes. Even if you pay, you might get airline corporate rates; really cheap at 5 star hotels.
IMHO, don't over think this. Pack an extra underwear and condoms in your carry on and enjoy the trip. Sign up for flight alerts for changes to your flights. There is plenty of action in Seoul.
There is plenty of action in Seoul.Just be sure to have plenty of money too as Seoul is quite expensive or "pisa" as the Koreans say. If you miss a connecting international flight, the airline will put you on another flight but most of the times they will hold the departing plane for a while to wait for other connecting flights. Either way it will work out.
LittleBigMan
02-21-17, 01:38
If the flight is delayed due to weather you are out of luck with the Airline as to being put up in a hotel. But as noted if you are on Business / First as a value customer they most likely go out of their way to make some compromise. In these situation it is best to know your airline rights and asking always help.
BushRusher
02-22-17, 00:23
If the flight is delayed due to weather you are out of luck with the Airline as to being put up in a hotel. But as noted if you are on Business / First as a value customer they most likely go out of their way to make some compromise. In these situation it is best to know your airline rights and asking always help.If you are UA especially, regardless of class, you are on your own. Even it if it crew or equipment you have to fight. I find a couple of the other US airlines are slightly better. The Aisan airlines, have treated me much better in the past when there are weather delays. But I usually are on CX or SQ mostly.
LittleBigMan
02-22-17, 02:09
If you are UA especially, regardless of class, you are on your own. Even it if it crew or equipment you have to fight. I find a couple of the other US airlines are slightly better. The Aisan airlines, have treated me much better in the past when there are weather delays. But I usually are on CX or SQ mostly.I agree domestic wise you have to really know your airline rights. Personally first hand I know it is not a easy job for agents to deal with delays since they are control by other people what type of decision can be made. Domestic in the past have taken a beating financially and it all comes down to the dollar. Employee attitude are beaten down due their hands being tied and then in the past few years the large mergers like United / Continental Delta / Northwest USAirway / American, generally speaking agents are more concern about what they might lose in the merger than doing their jobs. Believe it or not I've worked and met many station manager who have no business being in their position solely due to their paper resume. Whenever their are delays they are no where to be found leaving the front line supervisors hand tied. The old days of Airlines are gone, I remember once United flight to Hawaii was delay 4 hours, they provided vouchers in the airport for lunch and we aren't talking just for a sandwich.
Internationally, it is a different ballgame due to the distant most people travel, they also still hold the old school rule, take care of the passenger. Two years back I used Cathay Pacific through Hong Kong to Bangkok. Due to HK being their headquarters I was unable to get on a flight for near two days as Standby, the supervisor was kind enough to let me into their lounge to use and shower but there were agents who also treated like shit so typical in general of a Airline own and run by the government.
BushRusher
02-22-17, 03:23
I agree domestic wise you have to really know your airline rights.
Internationally, it is a different ballgame due to the distant most people travel, they also still hold the old school rule, take care of the passenger. Two years back I used Cathay Pacific through Hong Kong to Bangkok. Due to HK being their headquarters I was unable to get on a flight for near two days as Standby, the supervisor was kind enough to let me into their lounge to use and shower but there were agents who also treated like shit so typical in general of a Airline own and run by the government.With US domestic on UA you are pretty much screwed and need to really push. On international, in or out bound you are not much better. Many airports do not have shower facility. I can tell you that Business does not get any better treatment.
Knock on wood, CX has always taken care of me. Had been diverted a several times because of weather and everyone got put up. They just loaded the same plane and crew the next day. The higher up the food chain you are with them, the better the service. Had good resolutions with BA and LH in and outbound. I don't know your specific situation, but I would much rather have flight delay problems in Asia. I usually get put up for free. 3 months ago, I was getting put up by UA because of a mechanical problem and I heard the supervisor tell the staff to stop issuing vouchers. Not sure what happened to the sods behind me traveling on their own dime.
BushRusher
02-26-17, 19:16
100% sure. I'm booked thru United using FF miles. OZ 211 from SFO to ICN, then OZ 741 from ICN to BKK.
Earlier this month I had a few days in AC, which I have been doing about this time of year for a few years now. I flew with Qatar Airways, in order to fly right into Clark, unfortunately it all went wrong in Doha when I missed the connection due to late arrival. Its the first time I tried that flight, and coming from a 50 minute delayed departure at London (not uncommon these days), the transfer time of 45 minutes was obviously a problem. Anyway Qatar airways looked after the 13 of us pretty well, and offered choice of the same flight following day, or Manila and bus transfer 7 hours later same day. So we took that, and finally arrived at Clark 12 hours late. I had cancelled my airport pick up to Queens Hotel, but was able to get a drop off, as the "bus transfer" from Manila turned into a fleet of 7 seater taxis with 3 - 4 in each.!
With US domestic on UA you are pretty much screwed and need to really push. On international, in or out bound you are not much better. Many airports do not have shower facility. I can tell you that Business does not get any better treatment.
Knock on wood, CX has always taken care of me. Had been diverted a several times because of weather and everyone got put up. They just loaded the same plane and crew the next day. The higher up the food chain you are with them, the better the service. Had good resolutions with BA and LH in and outbound. I don't know your specific situation, but I would much rather have flight delay problems in Asia. I usually get put up for free. 3 months ago, I was getting put up by UA because of a mechanical problem and I heard the supervisor tell the staff to stop issuing vouchers. Not sure what happened to the sods behind me traveling on their own dime.Shemp,
FYI report from AC thread. Just an example of how the major non-US airlines take care of their customers. Service is better and staff are prettier.
Currently in Pattaya but figured this is more of a general area question. I've installed Line and WeChat to contact girls but have some questions.
Line doesn't seem to have an English-Thai translation service. All I could find was a dictionary, but it only does word by word translation (you have to look each one up) so is kinda useless for me. Girl I met sent me some weird stickers and I don't know what they mean.
Haven't used WeChat yet, but seems to be mostly used for finding FL girls by using the find people nearby function? I've filtered for girls only, but still seem to see dudes in the results. Some girls seem to openly advertise, for others not so clear. In any case, I'm a bit afraid to try as don't feel like the pictures available are enough to go by.
Just installed the English Thai translation app by GK apps so will give that a try tonight. I guess I'll have to get the girl to install it if she already doesn't have it.
Am currently looking for younger girls (about 20) and those seem to all have pretty much zero English aside from the standard questions (where from, how old, what name etc). It's taking a lot of time to break the ice, so I'd like to speed things up if possible.
Am curious as to what others are using, or doing to get around the issue I'm having. Advice would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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03-04-17, 07:39
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Line doesn't seem to have an English-Thai translation service.Thai / English translation technology is garbage. It's not like german to english or whatever. Don't worry about it. They speak English if they are looking to provide a good time for money. Easily enough English to facilitate the meeting.
Has anyone flown with this company? I have a flight coming up from ORD to Manila.
Wolvenvacht
03-04-17, 09:48
Has anyone flown with this company? I have a flight coming up from ORD to Manila.Yes, a few years ago. From Amsterdam to Bangkok. Quite happy with their service.
Asian Rain
03-04-17, 14:22
Has anyone flown with this company? I have a flight coming up from ORD to Manila.Yes. Good "Asian" airline, which means you won't have surly linebacker-type stewardesses or haughty sensitive stewards like the US carriers. Have flown long haul in economy class. Service is good. In-flight entertainment is good. I prefer ANA for the ORD flights, but it generally costs more. Enjoy, AsianRain.
Eszpresszo
03-04-17, 17:29
Has anyone flown with this company? I have a flight coming up from ORD to Manila.I flew from IAH to BKK via TPE last fall. It was a decent, airline or at least better than most. I found it a bit uncomfortable because the flight was full. But, the price was right. TPE is their hub and they seem to be the dominant airline. BTW, the TPE Taoyuan airport is really nice and the duty free liquor is a bargain! I bought a fifth of Chivas for $14 US but for people who like the single malt Scotch you have a good selection.
I recently priced a flight from IAH to MNL and found it was very reasonable. But, when I priced the same flight just to TPE is was substantially higher! One of the odd airfare paradoxes where a longer connecting flight is much cheaper. I've seen that happen in the US, too.
BushRusher
03-05-17, 04:08
Has anyone flown with this company? I have a flight coming up from ORD to Manila.Yes. Nice ROC airline with pretty flight attendants. Better than the PRC ones. Not the latest equipment but it is nice and lower priced and clean. Most flights require a TPE hub transit.
Currently in Pattaya but figured this is more of a general area question. I've installed Line and WeChat to contact girls but have some questions.
Line doesn't seem to have an English-Thai translation service. All I could find was a dictionary, but it only does word by word translation (you have to look each one up) so is kinda useless for me. Girl I met sent me some weird stickers and I don't know what they mean.
Haven't used WeChat yet, but seems to be mostly used for finding FL girls by using the find people nearby function? I've filtered for girls only, but still seem to see dudes in the results. Some girls seem to openly advertise, for others not so clear. In any case, I'm a bit afraid to try as don't feel like the pictures available are enough to go by.
Just installed the English Thai translation app by GK apps so will give that a try tonight. I guess I'll have to get the girl to install it if she already doesn't have it.
Am currently looking for younger girls (about 20) and those seem to all have pretty much zero English aside from the standard questions (where from, how old, what name etc). It's taking a lot of time to break the ice, so I'd like to speed things up if possible.
Am curious as to what others are using, or doing to get around the issue I'm having. Advice would be appreciated.
Thanks.I use LINE extensively, but don't try to use translate Apps. I suggest you are better off using very simple English with girls that can do some English. If the girl cannot do English at all, is there much point to chatting with her?
The translation Apps between English and Thai do a pretty bad job, IMHO. As I can read Thai as well, I do know this. Translate between English and German as an example, is much better. So if you translate your message from English to Thai script before you send it, you could be saying either nonsense, or something different to what you intended. If she sends you Thai script, you can try translating it, but again, risk of wrong translation and misunderstanding is high. Thai language leaves out a lot of assumed words, so resulting English is not likely to make a good sentence at all.
I recommend to ask the girl to send English messages to you, still a risk of misunderstanding, but if she does not, then maybe best to forget it. Even though I can read Thai, most of my LINE girls, still send me English messages unless they are in a "Thai" mood. I do have one or two exceptions who really do not speak English at all (or don't wish too. LOL including my GF). However maybe you should be avoiding this type of girls.
Maybe my experienced is biased by being in Bangkok, but even my freelancer girl on the street can message me in English. Is it possible that all very poorly educated girls end up in Pattaya? Not sure that age of 20 is relevant.
Do chat Apps really work for two people without any common language?
I use LINE extensively, but don't try to use translate Apps. I suggest you are better off using very simple English with girls that can do some English. If the girl cannot do English at all, is there much point to chatting with her?
The translation Apps between English and Thai do a pretty bad job, IMHO. As I can read Thai as well, I do know this....
Maybe my experienced is biased by being in Bangkok, but even my freelancer girl on the street can message me in English. Is it possible that all very poorly educated girls end up in Pattaya? Not sure that age of 20 is relevant.Thanks for the advice. Google translate seems to be working for me so long as I keep things very simple. Not so much to chat, but just basic communication outside of the general scene questions (where from, how long stay, how old, etc.).
In Bangkok I had no problem communicating with girls in English, in Pattaya it can be a different story. Maybe not necessarily just due to age as I have met girls (21) with decent English, but some have almost none outside of the standard questions I mention above.
This may not be worth the bother for many, but I find that even a little back and forth can lead to a more fun session with the girl. Certainly not a guarantee of great service, but at least something to do while we are finishing drinks.
None of those points come into play with what I mean by "sexual liberation. " I can illustrate this best with a personal example. Was taking a gal from G-Spot on a very frequent basis years ago. We had a talk about fetish play, nasty talk, and women being aggressive in bed. She was not into any of it and said, "I am not a dirty girl. " This coming from a gal who had been poked by scads of dudes. Thai women are still considered "bad girls" if they are overt about their sexuality, and most of the times that extends to the bedroom. Yes, there are exceptions; but this is the rule. They are not in the least sexually liberated.
Also, have you noticed the way Thai gals are dressing these days? As frumpy as it gets. Even among the freelancers you won't see tight sexy clothes. If you see short shorts on the streets of BKK, you can rest assured it's a tourist. This was not the case 4 years ago, but it is now. Uni gals used to basically compete to see who could wear the shortest tightest uniform. That's over. Longer skirts are the rule.I'm not sure exactly what you mean by being aggressive in bed, nasty talk & fetish play. Were you talking about BDSM? There are hundreds of fetishes such as those related to clothing & perhaps nowhere else on earth are there more sex workers dressed in uniforms, such as school girl outfits, than Thailand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_fetishism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_roleplay
I'd suggest that by the example of being "sexually liberated" you described in paragraph one, a girl not being into "fetish play, nasty talk, and women being aggressive in bed", every country in the world is generally full of women who are not "sexually liberated". The vast majority of women worldwide are conservative when it comes to sex.
My sexual experiences are with sex workers, not non working women. Having been with dozens of ladies of the street in each of Thailand, Canada and Singapore, I didn't see much difference between the first two countries re things you mentioned. Neither nationality were aggressive or took the initiative in sex. Although in Singapore quite a few of the dozens of Vietnamese gals showed more acting or enthusiasm in the sack. They were also as a group whiter & to my taste more stunning than those who entertained me in Bangkok. BTW word has it that Indonesian females are great in the sack, but I have only been with one of them. They also, along with many PRC, can be found on the streets of SG.
Perhaps the fact she of G-Spot, a long term sex provider to Westerners I guess, wasn't into such things as you mention, speaks more to the type of customers she had, or your lack of willingness to press the issue. I've had quite a few TGs unwilling at first to do something, but they usually easily relented with a little bit of educating, persuasion or incentive. I doubt Western women would be as likely to give in and be submissive to your will, since TGs are not spoiled by feminism or trying to become like men or masculine. In LOS it's the opposite; many men are trying to become like women.
Thai working girls seem to me to be quite willing to be adventurous, in spite of the conservative mask they show in public or to a lesser degree initially in private alone with a client. I've never had a Canadian SP even mention animal porn, in person or on forums, over many years, let alone enjoy watching it, as one TG claimed. I imagine Western women finding it gross & appalling whereas TGs would be more likely to be curious to see more & find it a good source of amusement. Thai females are more easy going & follow the lead of men.
When it comes to kissing, Siam working lassies don't seem to have as many into it or willing as Western sex providers. I suppose this may be a cultural thing. Does this mean they are not as "sexually liberated" in the kissing department? Or do they wish to avoid losing income from getting sick via a cold etc? Or loss of face should they develop sores on or around the lips? When it comes to other activities, though, for examples DATO, BBBJ, body slides, BBFS, and massages, they seem to be more liberated than Canadians SPs.
Canada is a largely conservative Catholic & Christian country. I doubt that the idea of being a "bad girl", [Deleted by Admin] and the like is much different than it is in Buddhist Thailand. If anything Buddhists are less hung up about sex. Perhaps communists & atheists like in Vietnam are more free from the shackles of religion in regards to sexual attitudes.
Is there any doubt that Thai men are more sexually liberated than Western men in some significant ways? Young men in LOS often experience their first sex with a prostitute & this is considered perfectly normal. Married Thai men are more free than Westerners to have a mistress or visit a brothel.
Regarding Thai people's dress code, how is it any different from elsewhere in the world? In Canada business men don't dress in shorts and tank tops, even when it hits 30 degrees. If I dressed like that in LOS I'd freeze to death from the universal air conditioning.
If Thais are dressing more conservatively now, my guess is it has nothing to do with sex & everything to do with the King dying a few months ago. Or with the ever changing styles of fashion which have historically occurred all over the world. It makes more money for businesses to push regular style changes, just as the latest new cell phone of the year is the rage. All your friends have it, so you have to also.
Yes. Good "Asian" airline, which means you won't have surly linebacker-type stewardesses or haughty sensitive stewards like the US carriers. Have flown long haul in economy class. Service is good. In-flight entertainment is good. I prefer ANA for the ORD flights, but it generally costs more. Enjoy, AsianRain.One reason EVA costs less is that for the bargain basement fares, THEY DON'T GIVE MILES.
Thanks for the advice. Google translate seems to be working for me so long as I keep things very simple. Not so much to chat, but just basic communication outside of the general scene questions (where from, how long stay, how old, etc.).
In Bangkok I had no problem communicating with girls in English, in Pattaya it can be a different story. Maybe not necessarily just due to age as I have met girls (21) with decent English, but some have almost none outside of the standard questions I mention above.
This may not be worth the bother for many, but I find that even a little back and forth can lead to a more fun session with the girl. Certainly not a guarantee of great service, but at least something to do while we are finishing drinks.It takes some time, but learning basic Thai is quite helpful. Reading is, of course, another story entirely. But at least it is better than the pictograph based languages (like Chinese or Japanese).
TylerDurden01
03-18-17, 20:25
Total newbie, and actually my first post. After years of wanting to visit Thailand I finally am able to make it happen. I did a great deal of research here as well and thought I had all my bases covered. And then I find out that it just so happens that my trip is scheduled during the Songkran. I did not even know this existed and had apparently not seen anything of it in my research.
I can deal with the getting wet part, but I am concerned that some of the bars may be closed or very short staffed. Is this something I should be concerned with? Or is this a blessing and something that may be fun and end up being a positive?
My days are April 9 to 13 in Phuket and April 13 to 17 in Bangkok.
I could also flex my days if it is better to avoid one place vs the other.
Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated!
Fast Eddie 48
03-19-17, 00:27
Has anyone flown with this company? I have a flight coming up from ORD to Manila.To Horndog.
I fly EVA once never again bad service it is one of the cheapest from the US, most Taiwanese that fly this airline are low class people I only fly Cathay pacific or Singapore now from SFO stop in HKG there are more connection to Bangkok or Manila it is more expensive but not by much.
Fast Eddie 48.
LittleBigMan
03-19-17, 02:33
To Horndog.
I fly EVA once never again bad service it is one of the cheapest from the US, most Taiwanese that fly this airline are low class people I only fly Cathay pacific or Singapore now from SFO stop in HKG there are more connection to Bangkok or Manila it is more expensive but not by much.
Fast Eddie 48.Funny, I have been using Eva for over ten years out of SFO, guess I'm low class? As a standby and paying passenger, consider them to be one of the best airline in the world and they were voted 5 class airline just this last year. Never had a bad experience going standby as a airline staff. Although you feel the passengers are low class I've never seen a flight attendant upset or a unusual dirty airplane after 12 plus hours. Their aircraft are top notch and the connection and staff in Taipei is also top notch.
I've also used Cathay a number of times throughout the years and I know it is consider one of the best. But everyone has their opinion as we know but I try to stay away from Cathay, for several reasons. One the connection I used BKK / HK / SFO, not bashing just generalizing like you is full of Indians, talking about low class.
A number of years ago, I got on a flight from BKK, connecting out of HK to SFO, the flight was late from a City in India, when I boarded to the back it was already packed with Indians, pretty much the one's that you see on Walking Street that walk around in packs and aren't allow in clubs (again generalizing) I was unable to find a spot for my small check-in lucky was able to put it under the seat in front after locating the owner a few rolls back who happen to use the spot. After seated, sat for a long period which worry me due to my connection. Everyone was still roaming around standing so I got up went to the back to talk to the flight attendant. I saw everyone standing around drinking beer, when I walk by the bathroom I saw [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) all over the floor with guys standing inside and outside bare feet.
I ask the F / A when we were leaving? Told her about the connection, they all seem disinterested and beaten down and indicated basically to me don't worry. Never seen this in a Asian owned airline although CP is owned by the Hong Kong government. I go back to my seat and after a while the plane was on the runaway taking off but the passenger were still standing around especially in the back drinking. Being in the airline industry for over 25 plus years and years of flying back and forth Asia have never seen this ever happen. That was one of the toughest 11 hours flight thereafter I avoid CP for years. Last year, due to a emergency I had to used CP, as a non-revenue passenger and treated like shit. I decided to return out of SFO, using Eva.
Shit happens on any airline but you might have gotten Eva mix up with China Airline now that is a bad one.
Crazy4Thai
03-19-17, 02:52
I flew RT Eva last year. They had the best price and there were no issues. For my return flight I needed to move the date up by 1 month. I did so with no extra charge. The overall experience sure beat the hell out of Delta the previous 2 years. I plan to fly Eva again in the next 2 months or so.
Hey Guys, thanks for all of your info on airlines. I was flying CP for a few years. I did not like the long layovers in HG. Now that Eva is flying out of Chicago. I thought I would try it. They were about $1200 cheaper than CP for premium economy. Plus they fly out at midnight so I get in to Manila by noon. I can get to Bangkok by 6:00 pm. With CP I always ended up in Bkk at midnight.
The flight was nice. The service was good.
In Pattaya now until Tuesday. Then off to Angeles City for a week.
Banana Boi
03-19-17, 04:44
For my return flight I needed to move the date up by 1 month. I did so with no extra charge. This is impressive. I need to look into Eva Air for sure now. I always notice Eva about 25% cheaper than Cathay. Can anyone else compare Eva Air with Cathay? I find the seats at Cathay to be fairly comfortable even if the person in front of you reclines his seat all the way back.
Eszpresszo
03-19-17, 05:27
This is impressive. I need to look into Eva Air for sure now. I always notice Eva about 25% cheaper than Cathay. Can anyone else compare Eva Air with Cathay? I find the seats at Cathay to be fairly comfortable even if the person in front of you reclines his seat all the way back.Well, I can attest to the poor amount of legroom on EVA. I'm 6'4" and in coach it was a bit tight on the way over, and needed a Thai massage upon arrival to get myself back in shape. Luckily I was in the right place. However, they are very generous in regards to changes with a relatively benign fee, which was $100. KAL on the other hand, hit me with a $300 penalty after I had to get a refund. I had to postpone my trip and while there was a modest fee for a change of dates (around $100), all available dates in the near future had a much more expensive fare. Even the agent I spoke to (who had an Indian accent) flat out told me it was going to cost well over $1000 to get my reservation changed to a later date. I ended up taking the $300 hit and rebooked with EVA for a ticket that was about $200 less to BKK and back, so it wasn't a bad loss. Yes, I like EVA but coach is crammed with a lot of short Asian people with too much carry on baggage. Customer service in English is pretty dismal at KAL, which I can see on their website seems oriented towards Koreans.
Total newbie, and actually my first post. After years of wanting to visit Thailand I finally am able to make it happen. I did a great deal of research here as well and thought I had all my bases covered. And then I find out that it just so happens that my trip is scheduled during the Songkran. I did not even know this existed and had apparently not seen anything of it in my research.
I can deal with the getting wet part, but I am concerned that some of the bars may be closed or very short staffed. Is this something I should be concerned with? Or is this a blessing and something that may be fun and end up being a positive?..Personally I always try to land in Bangkok after Songkran or leave well before it starts.
If you can arrive a week or two later I'd suggest it, or even in May.
That being said, I've been there during Songkran more than once & still had good fun with the street ladies outside Nana hotel across from the NEP gogos.
LittleBigMan
03-20-17, 06:43
If I was 6'4 which I'm not I might have been the first Asian in the NBA, before Jeremy Lin 555? But since I'm not, I have no problems sitting in coach, in fact with Eva, I feel more comfortable sitting in coach. I've upgrade to deluxe slightly bigger seat design a number of times and the seat make me uncomfortable and after a few hours my hamstrings gets tight from the too much pressure on them from the design of the seat cushion. But based on aircraft seat design for coach I doubt anyone being 6'4 is going to be comfortable in coach with any airline. The aircraft they use are B777-300 ER, and aircraft configuration are different for shorter trip like from TPE / BKK. Their long segment of SFO / TPE the aircraft all have been upgraded decor, bathroom are tops providing toothbrush / paste and earplugs. The screen are now 10 inches and have USB connections. WiFi is available for a charge.
It should be noted in regards to Eva, they mix up their prices a lot, especially out of Bangkok to the SFO, many of their low fares at times try to move you to a long layover in Taipei, this can happen also when booking from SFO / LAX, so once you move forward double check your the length of the flight or trip that is going to be a clear giveaway. Also be flexible in your travel dates, you can move a date before and after and the flights cost can drop a lot? Their lowest fare reading the fine print normally don't include any mileage or just for their short segment Tpe / Bkk. If mileage is important to you if you choose the next higher fare it would include full or 80%. When it comes to fares, for example I checked a fare for Sept 11th, this year in Jan every date for the month was 56,000 baht BKK / SFO, that is very high for Eva, when that happens I wait, just last week I checked again and the fare dropped to 26,500 baht for the same date. It seems if you research too far ahead they got the fares up so be patient. As the flights start to fill up the prices start to drop, and after booking if you can't select a seat or not what you want like aisle keep checking everyday. As you get closer to the travel date travel agents start to turn in their unsold allotment and seat become more available. There are ways to double check to know whether a flight is selling out? In the end, if you can't get a aisle seat call reservation and let them list you for a aisle or emergency exit row instead of just asking when checking in. I've done this every time and when I check in they already have honor my request for all segments. I'm one of those guys that like to be the first to check in so get my request every time. Sitting in the aisle emergency row also allows you to board right after first class.
Some mention minimum cost for changes, for example if you purchased your original ticket at 28,000 baht, on April 1st, and after purchase you need to travel on another date, if that date there are seats still being sold at 28.000 then there is no higher charge but if the lowest fare for your original date is 35,000 baht now you will have to pay the difference to make the change. Their normal cancellation and change is 2000 baht?
Robert Long
03-20-17, 07:26
One reason EVA costs less is that for the bargain basement fares, THEY DON'T GIVE MILES.I have used China Airlines for years and I am a gold level customer. They are also a Taiwanese airline. Great service and never delayed. I leave Honolulu at midnight and I am in Bkk the following day at 8:30 am. Take the MRT and switch to the BTS and get off at Asoke. Take a taxi to my hotel from 21. All told is 100 baht from the airport to my hotel. A taxi with tolls is 400 baht. And you have traffic jams with a taxi.
RL.
LittleBigMan
03-20-17, 11:16
I have used China Airlines for years and I am a gold level customer. They are also a Taiwanese airline. Great service and never delayed. I leave Honolulu at midnight and I am in Bkk the following day at 8:30 am. Take the MRT and switch to the BTS and get off at Asoke. Take a taxi to my hotel from 21. All told is 100 baht from the airport to my hotel. A taxi with tolls is 400 baht. And you have traffic jams with a taxi.
RL.I am not aware of China Air having a midnight flight out of Honolulu, they only show a flight leaving at 13:10 and the fight makes a number of stops. Also not aware they offer a direct flight from Hon-BKK.
I am not aware of China Air having a midnight flight out of Honolulu, they only show a flight leaving at 13:10 and the fight makes a number of stops. Also not aware they offer a direct flight from Hon-BKK.My search found this (flying Sun and Wed):
23:25 Honolulu (HNL) - Terminal M.
10:05 Bangkok (BKK).
Duration: 17:40 - 1 stop in Taipei.
Aircraft Airbus Industrie A340-300.
China Airlines (CI 001).
Aircraft Aircraft varies.
China Airlines (CI 833).
Times may change a bit at different times of year. However I suspect Honolulu (HNL) has no daylight saving (just a guess).
Hope you did not search for HON (Hong Kong).
Around 10 April was different (flying Mon and Thurs) confirming variation in times:
01:15 Honolulu (HNL) - Terminal M.
10:00 Bangkok (BKK).
Duration: 15:45 - 1 stop in Taipei.
If I was 6'4 which I'm not I might have been the first Asian in the NBA, before Jeremy Lin 555? But since I'm not, I have no problems sitting in coach, in fact with Eva, I feel more comfortable sitting in coach. I had the misfortune to choose Ryanair recently (not for flight to Thailand of course). Very few tall people on board and I could see why. The seats were appallingly bad causing torture. Minimal leg room reminded me of Malaysia Air Domestic many years ago, but curvature forward on both left and right side edges of the seat back pushed right on the shoulder blades, and seats could not be reclined. I am not quite 6'4 either. I can see why the term "cattle class" seats. Perhaps my shoulders are a bit broader than average as well. I don't have this extreme problem in any other airline to date. Seat design is just shocking (for some of us).
I warn all tall persons not to think of taking Ryan Air except in extreme desperation and very short flights only.
LittleBigMan
03-20-17, 13:51
My search found this (flying Sun and Wed):
23:25 Honolulu (HNL) - Terminal M.
10:05 Bangkok (BKK).
Duration: 17:40 - 1 stop in Taipei.
Aircraft Airbus Industrie A340-300.
China Airlines (CI 001).
Aircraft Aircraft varies.
China Airlines (CI 833).
Times may change a bit at different times of year. However I suspect Honolulu (HNL) has no daylight saving (just a guess).
Hope you did not search for HON (Hong Kong).
Around 10 April was different (flying Mon and Thurs) confirming variation in times:
01:15 Honolulu (HNL) - Terminal M.
10:00 Bangkok (BKK).
Duration: 15:45 - 1 stop in Taipei.Thanks, my search with basically a made up date didn't produce the midnight flight at all with the cheaper prices quoted. They were all for the 13:10 with several stops going through Narita. Their schedule must be like Eva, having flights operating on certain days only. I will play around on their website to see what is being offered.
I knew HNL, had a flight to Bangkok but it was via through Taipei, by the way Hong Kong is (HKG) always looking for alternatives to using my flight benefits which in the past was good but these days with all the Code Shares and Alliances it is near impossible to get a seat.
I was interested in HNL, because I can get to HNL, for free and have family in HNL, but not sure how crowded their flights and RL response made it sound as if it was a non-stop from HNL to BKK. The less stopover I have the less chance of getting bumped off a flight.
Thai Airways had a flight BKK-LAX, before discontinue but gave me little time to get out of Immigration and get on the last flight to SFO with my benefits.
Thanks, my search with basically a made up date didn't produce the midnight flight at all with the cheaper prices quoted. They were all for the 13:10 with several stops going through Narita. Their schedule must be like Eva, having flights operating on certain days only. I will play around on their website to see what is being offered.ways had a flight BKK-LAX, before discontinue but gave me little time to get out of Immigration and get on the last flight to SFO with my benefits.Yes if they don't fly your day, then airlines come up with makeshift alternatives. You need to check the airline schedule or timetable more-so than try to make a booking for a single date. I never am sure of my dates, and have to have flexible, so I need airlines that fly every day, hopefully more than one flight per day if possible. Thai Inter is one that flies everyday to BKK of course, from major places, with direct flights, or shares with another Star Alliance airline.
This return trip to Thailand, I was told flight is full for my desired change date at short notice (it's hardly ever absolutely full), and got waitlisted but did not get a mail to say yes, due to being well less than 24 hours away most likely. In these cases I show up to the airport 3 hours before flight, and on most occasions (never failed yet) they give me seat, either immediately or a bit before departure when someone does not show up. Even I was told the flight was full, at the airport check in they admit there is space on the flight. Maybe some airline worker or family member like you with a free seat gets bumped if they really run out of seats. Probably helps I have high frequent flyer status with Royal Orchid, so they seem to always give me a seat at the last minute, if booked in a flexible booking class. Most of my flights are not payed for by me anyway.
BKK just happens to be on the way to everywhere for business. LOL. My passport fills with Thailand in and out stamps rather rapidly. More than anything else.
Crazy4Thai
03-21-17, 02:23
This is impressive. I need to look into Eva Air for sure now. I always notice Eva about 25% cheaper than Cathay. Can anyone else compare Eva Air with Cathay? I find the seats at Cathay to be fairly comfortable even if the person in front of you reclines his seat all the way back.I need to clarify that it took some discussion to determine that no fee did not apply to certain days, I think Sunday was one of them. I was pretty flexible about when as my goal was just to move the trip up by 30 days or so. I managed this change over the phone while in the US and the agent had a strong accent that took some work to manage. At Esprezzo I would be curious which airline has enough legroom for you in economy since you are 6'4".
BushRusher
03-23-17, 03:18
I had the misfortune to choose Ryanair recently (not for flight to Thailand of course). Very few tall people on board and I could see why. The seats were appallingly bad causing torture. Minimal leg room reminded me of Malaysia Air Domestic many years ago, but curvature forward on both left and right side edges of the seat back pushed right on the shoulder blades, and seats could not be reclined. I am not quite 6'4 either. I can see why the term "cattle class" seats. Perhaps my shoulders are a bit broader than average as well. I don't have this extreme problem in any other airline to date. Seat design is just shocking (for some of us).
I warn all tall persons not to think of taking Ryan Air except in extreme desperation and very short flights only.Have you tired US domestic economy? Was on a short flight. No leg room. Had middle seat with lady spilling over her seat onto me. Had guy spilling over his seat onto me. Luckily I was so wedged in that I probably did not need a seat belt and the people on either side had to lean away. Bones cannot be compressed any further.
Banana Boi
03-23-17, 04:00
Had middle seat with lady spilling over her seat onto me. Had guy spilling over his seat onto me. Luckily I was so wedged in that I probably did not need a seat belt and the people on either side had to lean away. They have baggage overage maybe they should have passenger weight overage too.
Have you tired US domestic economy? Was on a short flight. No leg room. Had middle seat with lady spilling over her seat onto me. Had guy spilling over his seat onto me. Luckily I was so wedged in that I probably did not need a seat belt and the people on either side had to lean away. Bones cannot be compressed any further.I hated sitting next to a child from Albuquerque. Her fat single mother was at the window and me in Aisle seat (of 3). The child wanted to yack with me the whole way or play games, and her mother was happy to be ignored by the child. I was planning on getting sleep originally. Domestic, can't remember was United or Delta or what, but seats were vastly better than Ryanair. Would have been appreciated if the mother sat between me and her talkative child, whether mother was fat or not.
Children screaming or jumping / bouncing around are the worst for resting up.
FormulaOneFan
03-23-17, 21:47
I hated sitting next to a child from Albuquerque. Her fat single mother was at the window and me in Aisle seat (of 3). The child wanted to yack with me the whole way or play games, and her mother was happy to be ignored by the child. I was planning on getting sleep originally. Domestic, can't remember was United or Delta or what, but seats were vastly better than Ryanair. Would have been appreciated if the mother sat between me and her talkative child, whether mother was fat or not.
Children screaming or jumping / bouncing around are the worst for resting up.Worst I ever had was a very large gentleman in the window seat, and I had the aisle in a 2-3-2 configuration from NRT to SIN. I had paid extra for economy comfort, but sitting next to this guy was no comfort. He was fine when awake, he was very conscious of his size, but when he fell asleep he relaxed and his leg jerked every 30-60 seconds. I had planned on sleeping that leg as we landed at midnight and wanted to hit a FL bar after checking in. No sleep for me unfortunately.
I would have moved but it was a completely full flight.
BushRusher
03-24-17, 01:47
I hated sitting next to a child from Albuquerque. Her fat single mother was at the window and me in Aisle seat (of 3). The child wanted to yack with me the whole way or play games, and her mother was happy to be ignored by the child. I was planning on getting sleep originally. Domestic, can't remember was United or Delta or what, but seats were vastly better than Ryanair. Would have been appreciated if the mother sat between me and her talkative child, whether mother was fat or not.
Children screaming or jumping / bouncing around are the worst for resting up.I believe, in the US, extremely wide people were advised / required to get and pay for an extra seat. I don't remember exactly, but there was a problem during the past president's administration with someone being asked and there was an up roar. I have seen extra wide passengers in the past year occupying just regular economy seats. I think that PC is winning out. Actually I saw one break a seat on a long haul flight, though he was complaining the seat did not work. I was in another cabin so could not hear the details except the person behind was move to another seat.
Most parents are good with children. You know you are in trouble when you have a seating like you saw. Or the children are put several rows away. Some parents just don't want to deal with kids and think it is someone else's responsibility or problem. The worst I had was a cross country whereby the parents let their sub 3 cry on their lap the whole 4 hours while the mobile older one kept bouncing around and kicking the seat in front of her. Parents were stoic and did not interact with either kid.
Go figure. Plenty of mothers out there who harm their kids. Been several in the news recently. Like the one who left the daughter in a supermarket.
I believe, in the US, extremely wide people were advised / required to get and pay for an extra seat. I don't remember exactly, but there was a problem during the past president's administration with someone being asked and there was an up roar. I have seen extra wide passengers in the past year occupying just regular economy seats. I think that PC is winning out. I missed that story but airlines do have policies about overweight passengers. Not sure they care about PC more than profits since they will charge wherever they can make a buck. They are making these seats smaller now but nothing worst than being caught next to the fat guy like Steve Martin did on Planes, Trains and Automobiles.
http://www.independenttraveler.com/travel-tips/none/airline-obesity-policies
Go figure. Plenty of mothers out there who harm their kids. Been several in the news recently. Like the one who left the daughter in a supermarket.How is it that Asian women can pump out 3 kids and look just like she did at 18 whereas other nationalities become chubby bordering on obese?
I believe, in the US, extremely wide people were advised / required to get and pay for an extra seat. I don't remember exactly, but there was a problem during the past president's administration with someone being asked and there was an up roarAlso, during the "past president's administration" Canada introduced a rule that required airlines to provide an extra seat free of charge to those who weighed more than a certain weight. Are you going to blame Obama for that as well?
How is it that Asian women can pump out 3 kids and look just like she did at 18 whereas other nationalities become chubby bordering on obese?With Thai ladies it must be all those bugs & cum that they eat.
How is it that Asian women can pump out 3 kids and look just like she did at 18 whereas other nationalities become chubby bordering on obese?Its true that some mothers of 3 can still be skinny, but they are damaged, and plenty of chubby ones too. Last time I screwed a pretty and skinny mother of 3, her pussy was loose and she was terrible on the bed as well.
Banana Boi
03-28-17, 22:32
At Suvarnabhumi yesterday and saw a group of Eva Air flight attendants. Out of the 6 or so 4 looked damn good.
At Suvarnabhumi yesterday and saw a group of Eva Air flight attendants. Out of the 6 or so 4 looked damn good.Wow. The best stunners on a flight I ever saw was Singapore Girls, only 2 of them really stunning natural beauties, but fortunately both were working my section long haul. The time went very quickly on that flight. Loved it when the girl leans over you and the top of the dress drops showing the lovely tits encased in a nice smooth bra (pity about the bra but lovely natural medium sized tits). Never saw as many as 4 stunners together.
Thai Airlines does not kick out the old girls, or have maximum weights for hostesses (I guess), so get relatively few stunners. Worst attitude hostesses ever on British Airways, never mind the looks.
I was just warned by a Thai person living in outer Bangkok about incidents of customers getting out of the taxi, and the taxi driving off, without unloading the luggage, with intent to steal customers belongings.
Personally, all my major valuables such as passport and laptop computers, etc. Are always with me in a shoulder bag, that I keep between my feet in the seat, so I was get out with this bag. So no chance for taxi to drive off with it.
In relation to luggage stored in the boot, if taxi driver seems iffy, could stay in the taxi until driver has already got out and is starting to unload the luggage.
You may not be able to use that bar again due to the bad gossip you are due.Doubtful. I am somewhat friends with the owner of the bar that girl works in. I spend a lot of money in that bar and so do my friends when we are there together. When Spanky's had their anniversary party, the owner of the bar this particular girl worked in invited me to hang out with him (just the two of us) at spankys that night and paid for all of my drinks that night. When I walk in the door, I am always immediately greeted by the mamasans who know me by name and the owner comes over to say Hello,.
Not only will I still be able to use that bar again, my bet is I can even take that same girl again if I want and she will be happy to go with me. I had taken her twice previous to her outburst and shagged her just as long one of the other two times. (when I say "shag" I don't mean vaginal penetration only, I mean engaging in some kind of sexual contact including kissing, BJ, etc.) We had only been actually fucking with vaginal penetration a short time when she called it quits. I never treat these girls "badly". Sometimes I cum in 5 seconds, sometimes in 2 hours. If the girl agrees to 2500, I will give her that 1 minute after she makes me cum, but not before. And I don't mind if she's out of my room directly after that. But I do expect her to make me cum. And I am not one of those dudes who cannot cum during a session, I always do cum eventually (unless the girl walks out like this one time).
I am guessing she had plans to meet her friends for karaoke or something that night at 4 am (most likely her Thai boyfriend) and didn't want to hang around any longer.
Personally, I think goatscrot's comments are more accurate than yours in this instance. In my opinion, I was doing myself and my fellow mongers a favor by standing up to her. The prices are out of hand, and service many times lacking because of too many dudes giving these girls whatever they want. If she had told me she needed to be out of there by 4 am while we were still in the bar, I would have had no problem with it. I gave her the option to finish the job for 2500 or leave for 1000 (because I preferred she stay and make me cum). Had I thrown 2000, of course she would leave. The fact she left for just 1000 tells me she had other plans that she really wanted to get to immediately. That was her choice.
I have heard of girls asking for money up front with some guys in Indonesia or Thailand, but it has never happened to me. I have been in asia for 20 years now and have a rep that I treat the girls well and pay fairly. You are right that the girls gossip, but I already have plenty of good will.
If the same situation happened again, I would handle it exactly the same.
Wow. The best stunners on a flight I ever saw was Singapore Girls, only 2 of them really stunning natural beauties, but fortunately both were working my section long haul. The time went very quickly on that flight. Loved it when the girl leans over you and the top of the dress drops showing the lovely tits encased in a nice smooth bra (pity about the bra but lovely natural medium sized tits). Never saw as many as 4 stunners together.
Thai Airlines does not kick out the old girls, or have maximum weights for hostesses (I guess), so get relatively few stunners. Worst attitude hostesses ever on British Airways, never mind the looks.Singapore air has the hottest girls, but they are not easy to pick up. Thai air does not have very hot hostesses.
The best ones are Air Asia and Lion Air. You can actually chat them up, get their numbers, and have sex with them. And they are young and hot.
Calendar of when we can expect Buddhist Holidays to cause alcohol sales to be prohibited and bars / discos to close.
http://www.boomboomme.com/resources/holidays/thailand/
Note that some Buddhist holidays have more than one name or also alternative ways of spelling it in English that are sometimes misleading.
On the web site Asalha Puja could be better spelled: Aasaanha Buchaa but it is also known by Thais as Wan Khao Phunsaa (the start of Buddhist lent).
No bars does not mean you cannot get a fuck of course. There are other possibilities such as MPs, freelancers, etc.
It's been a common problem for me over the years in Soapies, that there always seems to be a prettier girl in the line up when come out of the session already fucked. With a new girl selected.
In my early days at Chao Praya 2, the remedy was simple. I would just stay there for a reasonable recovery period, eat perhaps and drink, and then go again with the new found girl. I don't do that any more.
Today was one such day, went to the MP, had my session with a pretty good known girl, and on the way out spotted a girl that made my jaw drop. I had just been with a 7 and now a see a 9. Not quite perfect face but only one very minor weakness to my taste. Prettiest MP girl I have seen in years. Also young and slim. I had to find out who she was to ensure I could return for her tomorrow, even if my girl of today should happen to see, as the new girl was just too good to risk not being able to book her not knowing the name, and she spoke very sweetly and humbly. Even if the performance is quite average for this newbie, will be good enough. I could train her up. LOL I pray for her sweet kisses already.
Sure it's only my personal taste, however since Natty likes most of my girls and we have had several regular girls in common, I best recommend to him, if she is any good for service.
Many of the prettiest MP girls I ever met, were first encountered out on the street in full daylight. Some I had to follow to find out where they worked and get a booking. 3 times that happened where at first did not know where the girl worked, due to just on the way to the MP.
Also young and slim. Slim for a soapy? I like my soapy chicks to have a little meat on their bones. Feels better when they slide up and down. I don't like the feel of a skeleton sliding up and down my body.
Doubtful. I am somewhat friends with the owner of the bar that girl works in. I spend a lot of money in that bar and so do my friends when we are there together. When Spanky's had their anniversary party, the owner of the bar this particular girl worked in invited me to hang out with him (just the two of us) at spankys that night and paid for all of my drinks that night. When I walk in the door, I am always immediately greeted by the mamasans who know me by name and the owner comes over to say Hello,.
Not only will I still be able to use that bar again, my bet is I can even take that same girl again if I want and she will be happy to go with me. I had taken her twice previous to her outburst and shagged her just as long one of the other two times. (when I say "shag" I don't mean vaginal penetration only, I mean engaging in some kind of sexual contact including kissing, BJ, etc.) We had only been actually fucking with vaginal penetration a short time when she called it quits. I never treat these girls "badly". Sometimes I cum in 5 seconds, sometimes in 2 hours. If the girl agrees to 2500, I will give her that 1 minute after she makes me cum, but not before. And I don't mind if she's out of my room directly after that. But I do expect her to make me cum. And I am not one of those dudes who cannot cum during a session, I always do cum eventually (unless the girl walks out like this one time).
I am guessing she had plans to meet her friends for karaoke or something that night at 4 am (most likely her Thai boyfriend) and didn't want to hang around any longer.
Personally, I think goatscrot's comments are more accurate than yours in this instance. In my opinion, I was doing myself and my fellow mongers a favor by standing up to her. The prices are out of hand, and service many times lacking because of too many dudes giving these girls whatever they want. If she had told me she needed to be out of there by 4 am while we were still in the bar, I would have had no problem with it. I gave her the option to finish the job for 2500 or leave for 1000 (because I preferred she stay and make me cum). Had I thrown 2000, of course she would leave. The fact she left for just 1000 tells me she had other plans that she really wanted to get to immediately. That was her choice.
I have heard of girls asking for money up front with some guys in Indonesia or Thailand, but it has never happened to me. I have been in asia for 20 years now and have a rep that I treat the girls well and pay fairly. You are right that the girls gossip, but I already have plenty of good will.
If the same situation happened again, I would handle it exactly the same.I might not have handled the situation the same as you did but lately I am very much in agreement with your general tone about not being so awfully worried about what the girls think of us, gossip about us and all that crap. Hell, I have had (previously unknown) husbands of bargirls tight with the THAI owners and entire staff go on a jealous rampage, publicly threaten my life and run off with the girl's baby son, spreading the word that I broke up their happy family and god knows whatever else, yet I am still able to stroll into that bar and walk out with any damn girl I please. I'm not sure I have heard of a more dramatic reason to have a "hands off, could be trouble" sign hanging around a customer's neck. LOL. Yet those girls are every bit as happy to be chosen by me, do the deed with a smile and earn my money as if I had been recommended by the Good Housekeeping Award of Approval Panel.
It is becoming increasingly clear that we mongers, particularly those of us who frequent these message boards, are entirely too worried about not offending the girls, being good boys and even better customers, not asking too much of them, making sure we don't short them by so much as a baht unless they've done something truly horrific. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the girls demonstrate almost no interest at all in learning to be better at their job, improving their skills, winning good repeat customers, making more money that way. I just don't think they are anywhere near as sensitive to or concerned about all the stuff some of us seem to be hand-wringing worried about all the time.
Slim for a soapy? I like my soapy chicks to have a little meat on their bones. Feels better when they slide up and down. I don't like the feel of a skeleton sliding up and down my body.Sliding up and down? You are talking about body slide service (not clear)? Which does not exist anymore in the vast majority of soapies, or bath / Jacuzzi play. You maybe more likely to be able to get the girl to slide up and down in an Oily or Nuru shop, these days.
In Oilies, I often ask for the Nuru gel massage if available, since I don't particularly go for real massage. Some of these Oilies, also have a bath or Jacuzzi.
As I wrote in another post, the most definitive distinction between a Soapy and an Oily, is really the ability to spend inordinately long periods of time eyeing the line up of seated girls in a "Soapy" till eventually you are ready to choose a girl, or more than one girl when a group of guys are attending together. Often there are tables to sit at and at least drinks are served, possibly food as well.
La Belle, Nataree, Amsterdam, Chao Praya 2, Nancy, Colonze, etc. were great examples of this. Annies was very much not like a Soapy, despite having a fishbowl, and a bath. Girls did not stay seated in the fishbowl, and customers have limited time to select.
I know plenty of Oilies where I can go have a soapy bath and Nuru gel body slide with the girl if desired. However they have no fishbowl for unlimited selection time.
Getting back to your point (maybe):
However in most soapies that did have a body slide section, in the old days (since so few nowadays), the girls in the body slide section tended to have bigger tits (natural) and ass than average. Was generally considered that slim girls were not so suited to bodyslide. I personally found some quite light weight girls were suitable for body slide, as long as were not excessively boney and having tits and a nice soft ass was definitely as asset. Many years back, I once collected a GF from the bodyslide section who only weighed 40 Kg, LOL, she had very nice A to B cups only. The key to a really great bodyslide for me, was having the girl go through the movements relatively slowly (sexy for me). Bodyslide sections tended not to have silicones (or I never selected any silicones).
In the modern day, if offered a massage, I love to ask for no hands massage. Have the girls apply slippery gel and use tits or ass to do the massaging sliding around. Normal for me in Oilies. I love being massaged by nice soft tits, where the girl has that asset. "New Massage" was one shop where I took soapy bath and gel massage with a girl with quite good sized natural tits. Have also had it in Can Cam massage, Yoremichi, Geisha, Dream Heaven, Dr. BJ Nuru, and others. The big distinction from a "Soapy" was the lack of fishbowl to sit for long time perusing the girls. I even used to get Nuru Gel slide from June at Bongkot when she was there. Definitely a slim girl in this case and tits not big.
Banana Boi
03-30-17, 18:59
Sliding up and down? You are talking about body slide service (not clear)? Which does not exist anymore in the vast majority of soapies, or bath / Jacuzzi play.No bodyslides in a BKK soapie? All the main Pattaya soapies do bodyslides on the air mattress, unless it has changed recently.
No bodyslides in a BKK soapie? All the main Pattaya soapies do bodyslides on the air mattress, unless it has changed recently.The vast majority of BKK Soapies do not have body slide any more. Even got eliminated at Emannuelle. Maybe was not that popular with the Thai customers. Maybe only half a dozen still have body slide on an airbed out of 50 shops, yet quite a few Oilies have it (with no Thai customers).
So it's maybe 10 yrs since I was last here in BKK. After RTFF and a few PMs I felt ready to go. To get the shagathon off to a flier, I booked straight from BP. Opting for a mature threeaome, the pics and words seemed right up my alley. Annabelle and Beaw arrived at my hotel pretty discretely and bang on time (a first? Fantastic naturals but overall probably seen better days. Relaxing over a few beers, the bags of toys came out and on came the lingerie. DATY with Annabelle was hot. She really gets into the role and was soaking wet, with a massive cum. Sorry neighbours. Beaw wanted toys and was soon writhing to Annabelle's attention. Lots of rolling around later, few pops, nice rub down and more fun. Fucking sexy to behold. 2.5 hrs, 14 k well spent. Repeat? Probably not. Looks: 7. Attitude: 9.
Wandered into Stumbles. Some hotties and pretty relaxed chatting for a few drinks. One killer bod wanted 5 k BF. Nah. Not a newbie, luv. Sorry. Managed Rumours and Hideaway till late, but disappointing talent. Big Dog great for people watching and there was a couple of mature funsters that may warrant my dollars tonight. More details to follow.
The vast majority of BKK Soapies do not have body slide any more. I haven't done a soapy in years. But why do a soapy at all if no body slide? That was the one and only thing unique about it.
BushRusher
04-02-17, 08:34
Also, during the "past president's administration" Canada introduced a rule that required airlines to provide an extra seat free of charge to those who weighed more than a certain weight. Are you going to blame Obama for that as well?Don't know about that one, but he has done tremendous damage to my pocket book (and many others I know) and my personal security and as a result my personal comfort.
BushRusher
04-02-17, 08:59
How is it that Asian women can pump out 3 kids and look just like she did at 18 whereas other nationalities become chubby bordering on obese?Please, no need to be PC. Just say obese. It is IMHO diet and culture. Some would also say lack of self respect, image, or social pressure. I was shocked when I was first classified as obese. OMG.
I missed that story but airlines do have policies about overweight passengers. Not sure they care about PC more than profits since they will charge wherever they can make a buck. They are making these seats smaller now but nothing worst than being caught next to the fat guy like Steve Martin did on Planes, Trains and Automobiles.
http://www.independenttraveler.com/travel-tips/none/airline-obesity-policiesKnow some guys / gals who only travel first / business because of their size. The standing room only seats are supposedly coming soon. There is a push to ban US welfare food stamps from being used to buy some junk food. NYC wants to ban jumbo soda. Not sure how far that is going to go. Was just looking around a hotel lobby and noticing the number of large business people. 70% were obese. Those that were not were probably Indian / foreign B1 visa holders! LOL!!
IMHO, real problem. Was in a Democratic state where 70% of births last year were through social security. Met many people who were paying 20 K for health insurance. Demographics.
Crazy4Thai
04-02-17, 10:25
I haven't done a soapy in years. But why do a soapy at all if no body slide? That was the one and only thing unique about it.So true. I regret now that I only ever did it once way back in the day and it was epic. It was just before the epidemic of condoms and when she was ready she slid me inside so nicely. Either pre-lubed or aroused, she was ready to go.
I haven't done a soapy in years. But why do a soapy at all if no body slide? That was the one and only thing unique about it.Actually several reasons my Soapy attendance dropped right off:
1. Lack of a body slide at many venues was just one.
2. Dominance of artificial surgery looks especially bad nose jobs. Girls that used to be pretty, wrecking themselves with completely unnecessary nose jobs.
3. So many dick scared girls used to fucking Thai men.
4. Effort to travel to the venue for clubs not near the MRT.
5. Other political reasons like girls too closely managed by agents in some venues. Yes I know bargirls have pimps/BFs too.
BushRusher
04-12-17, 00:14
Shemp,
FYI report from AC thread. Just an example of how the major non-US airlines take care of their customers. Service is better and staff are prettier.
100% sure. I'm booked thru United using FF miles. OZ 211 from SFO to ICN, then OZ 741 from ICN to BKK.
Shemp,
FYI report from AC thread. Just an example of how the major non-US airlines take care of their customers. Service is better and staff are prettier.
With US domestic on UA you are pretty much screwed and need to really push. On international, in or out bound you are not much better. Many airports do not have shower facility. I can tell you that Business does not get any better treatment.
Knock on wood, CX has always taken care of me. Had been diverted a several times because of weather and everyone got put up. They just loaded the same plane and crew the next day. The higher up the food chain you are with them, the better the service. Had good resolutions with BA and LH in and outbound. I don't know your specific situation, but I would much rather have flight delay problems in Asia. I usually get put up for free. 3 months ago, I was getting put up by UA because of a mechanical problem and I heard the supervisor tell the staff to stop issuing vouchers. Not sure what happened to the sods behind me traveling on their own dime.
Earlier this month I had a few days in AC, which I have been doing about this time of year for a few years now. I flew with Qatar Airways, in order to fly right into Clark, unfortunately it all went wrong in Doha when I missed the connection due to late arrival. Its the first time I tried that flight, and coming from a 50 minute delayed departure at London (not uncommon these days), the transfer time of 45 minutes was obviously a problem. Anyway Qatar airways looked after the 13 of us pretty well, and offered choice of the same flight following day, or Manila and bus transfer 7 hours later same day. So we took that, and finally arrived at Clark 12 hours late. I had cancelled my airport pick up to Queens Hotel, but was able to get a drop off, as the "bus transfer" from Manila turned into a fleet of 7 seater taxis with 3 - 4 in each.!Semp, if you had any doubts on how one might be treated on United, take a look.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-39562288
Strikers on Suk Soi 4 (Nana Hotel parking lot) is for sale for 20 million baht: http://www.asianbusinessbrokers.com/thailand/property/large-and-long-established-profitable-sports-bar-in-soi-nana/.
SL.
Semp, if you had any doubts on how one might be treated on United, take a look.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-39562288OMG But this ad is great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAR3B5A4C_Y.
Strikers on Suk Soi 4 (Nana Hotel parking lot) is for sale for 20 million baht: http://www.asianbusinessbrokers.com/thailand/property/large-and-long-established-profitable-sports-bar-in-soi-nana/.
SL.Is this at the back of the Nana Parking lot? I hardly even knew anything was there till saw lights there recently.
Crazy4Thai
04-12-17, 18:28
Is this at the back of the Nana Parking lot? I hardly even knew anything was there till saw lights there recently.Which is likely the reason that it is for sale. I liked them when they were in the parking lot of the Rajah Hotel and I would drink, play pool and occasionally take out from there. After they moved it seemed like the whole vibe changed as did much of the staff. No fun even for former fans like me. The other buzz going around is just how much the rent increases are on Soi 4. The landlords have been (unintentionally?) forcing businesses to close with their greed.
Is this at the back of the Nana Parking lot? I hardly even knew anything was there till saw lights there recently.Yes; it was recently carved out of the Nana Hotel parking structure below the swimming pool. Strikers moved in when their Rajah parking lot location was slated for redevelopment.
The NH management seems keen to further monetize the property location ala adding Hooters as tenants, and having the big neon sign facing the Suk soi 4 intersection. Good news really: if they have increased tenant incomes they are less likely to do something stupid like gentrifying the property by putting up expensive condos, or building more useless retail space.
SL.
Songkran Thai New Year water dousing festival starts today and goes to 15 I guess. Bars do not have to close. Zauberfee reported some MP closures for holiday. Many girls have left Bangkok and gone back to the province. On girl I know left to go to Laos (Savanakhet). Quite a long journey.
Especially tomorrow, would be wise to keep money and phone in a plastic Bag for protection from severe damp.
HorneeFalang
04-14-17, 01:52
Songkran Thai New Year water dousing festival starts today and goes to 15 I guess. Bars do not have to close. Zauberfee reported some MP closures for holiday. Many girls have left Bangkok and gone back to the province. On girl I know left to go to Laos (Savanakhet). Quite a long journey.
Especially tomorrow, would be wise to keep money and phone in a plastic Bag for protection from severe damp.Many working girls back in the villages and provinces now.
Generally they will return for duty no later than the 18th.
Excellent advice from Syzygies regarding waterproofing. I personally avoid the built up areas during this time. TIP: ensure the liquid that is thrown towards you IS water.
HorneeFalang
04-14-17, 03:42
Strikers on Suk Soi 4 (Nana Hotel parking lot) is for sale for 20 million baht: http://www.asianbusinessbrokers.com/thailand/property/large-and-long-established-profitable-sports-bar-in-soi-nana/.
SL.Per month Rent. Wow!
This is impressive. I need to look into Eva Air for sure now. I always notice Eva about 25% cheaper than Cathay. Can anyone else compare Eva Air with Cathay? I find the seats at Cathay to be fairly comfortable even if the person in front of you reclines his seat all the way back.I like EVA. Taken the LAX to TPI to BKK run 4 times now (depart LAX after midnight and depart BKK around 4 PM) with a fifth trip starting late next week. I fly Elite class, which I think is worth the doubling of price. Only downside is the seats are over the wing so if you like to look out the windows, your view will either be totally blocked or mostly blocked. I usually sit in the middle aisle seat (slight odds you won't have anyone sitting next to you there, with 100% odds of having someone next to you in the window sides) for the LAX / TPI portion of the trip, then switch to a window seat with a view for the 4 HR flight between BKK and TPI. The electrical boxes at the bottom of the seats in front of you can mess with leg room a bit, but better than being stuck in cattle class. After my next trip over, my mileage should be such that I can get a free upgrade to First Class next time. I have no experience with other airlines, so I have no comparisons.
And as was said, the flight attendants are generally young and attractive, and mostly Chinese, with EVA. I have never tried engaging one in conversation, but while friendly, they seem to be professional so would be a little surprised if they will go home with you. Regardless, I am too old and not rich enough to be of any interest to them.
Banana Boi
04-15-17, 01:25
FL, use a site like Seat Guru before you book your seat. Look up the airline and the type and version of plane for your flight. Tells you things like where those electrical boxes are.
https://www.seatguru.com/browseairlines/browseairlines.php
You got my attention when you said Business Class is only double of Economy on Eva Air. From where I am from it's over 3x more expensive. Too bad. Double I would do assuming it's a lay flat seat.
Robert Long
04-15-17, 02:49
I like EVA. Taken the LAX to TPI to BKK run 4 times now (depart LAX after midnight and depart BKK around 4 PM) with a fifth trip starting late next week. I fly Elite class, which I think is worth the doubling of price. Only downside is the seats are over the wing so if you like to look out the windows, your view will either be totally blocked or mostly blocked. I usually sit in the middle aisle seat (slight odds you won't have anyone sitting next to you there, with 100% odds of having someone next to you in the window sides) for the LAX / TPI portion of the trip, then switch to a window seat with a view for the 4 HR flight between BKK and TPI. The electrical boxes at the bottom of the seats in front of you can mess with leg room a bit, but better than being stuck in cattle class. After my next trip over, my mileage should be such that I can get a free upgrade to First Class next time. I have no experience with other airlines, so I have no comparisons.
And as was said, the flight attendants are generally young and attractive, and mostly Chinese, with EVA. I have never tried engaging one in conversation, but while friendly, they seem to be professional so would be a little surprised if they will go home with you. Regardless, I am too old and not rich enough to be of any interest to them.Because of a promo at China Air of $589.00 RT LOS Angeles / BKK. I couldn't get a seat on the Taipei / BKK leg. Sold out full not even a waitlist. I can get to Taipei from Honolulu, so my lady at China Air Honolulu booked me to HCMC, and I got a connection on Jet star from HCMC to BKK a couple of hours later. She said that they even put a Jumbo 747 on the Taipei BKK route and it filled up fast. Anyway I'll be there on Wednesday and visit the BIG products expo to write off the trip. Timing is everything.
RL.
It's been about 3 years since I last visited BKK, any info regarding CIS, good clubs, and if the bkk scene has changed in any way, also any TIPS on mongering would be appreciated. I have been searching on the site, but not picking up much. Has BKK died down a bit.
I do like the CIS more, but not the crowd from Grace area, used to visit CM2, before, heard its closed down.
IS MIXX, BKK still the same, has anything changed, any info and help would be appreciated. Current prices, LT, ST has the quality of the woman dropped.
Thanks.
After flying with Emirates and Turkish airlines, this coming June I booked a reasonable price of €580 flight to BKK from my country via Frankfurt. Has anyone tried them before? For sure will keep some stylnox handy as its a strait 10 hour!
Cheers.
After flying with Emirates and Turkish airlines, this coming June I booked a reasonable price of 580 flight to BKK from my country via Frankfurt. Has anyone tried them before? For sure will keep some stylnox handy as its a strait 10 hour!
Cheers.Lufthansa and Thai Airways Code share flights from Frankfurt to BKK. I have been on many. They are okay I won't rave. Certainly not the worst choice around. The worst problem is so many Germans on the flight, that can be a little arrogant and self centred at times in terms of lack of care to prevent disturbance and nuisance to other passengers, especially knocking into you as they go past or leaning on the back of your seat or insisting on having elbows encroaching into my seat area (even old women did this on my last flight), in comparison to some other cultures, however at least they tend to be a bit quieter than Americans. Americans seem very polite but just loud when excited. Just making wild generalisations based on a lot of experience. You will hardly meet an American on this flight.
The 2nd worst type of passengers are young children, so I try to take very late at night flights to reduce chances of being near screaming babies slightly. The worst type of passengers for me are those that stink of body odours. No more than normal on Lufthansa. Don't run into that problem very often at all. Worst occasion for me was a flight from Chiang Mai, but hostess moved me to a better seat far away from the problem.
Overall Lufthansa is pretty much okay And staff are good, but sometimes inadvisable in peak season (December was most difficult) if you want to be able to change ticket to fly some other day. All the Germans on holiday seem to try to fly Lufthansa. So some flights can be very full. If you are not accustomed to long flights, something to help make you drowsy and relaxed can be useful.
Thanks for feedback mate, one thing I am sure of is that Germans in general tend to be rude. On my vacation itself will surely spend the first 2 nights in downtown Bangkok, my favorite spots to watch the world go by in one of Hillaries bars. Like to stroll around in the upper Sukhumvit as well, most probably end in Soi Cowboy but last I was there 2 years ago prices rocketed up big time especially in spots like Bacara. Next to follow is a 2 week either Hua-Hin or Pattaya, most of all I prefer KOh Samui but I don't like taking any internal flights during my short trip.
Lufthansa and Thai Airways Code share flights from Frankfurt to BKK. I have been on many. They are okay I won't rave. Certainly not the worst choice around. The worst problem is so many Germans on the flight, that can be a little arrogant and self centred at times in terms of lack of care to prevent disturbance and nuisance to other passengers, especially knocking into you as they go past or leaning on the back of your seat or insisting on having elbows encroaching into my seat area (even old women did this on my last flight), in comparison to some other cultures, however at least they tend to be a bit quieter than Americans. Americans seem very polite but just loud when excited. Just making wild generalisations based on a lot of experience. You will hardly meet an American on this flight.
The 2nd worst type of passengers are young children, so I try to take very late at night flights to reduce chances of being near screaming babies slightly. The worst type of passengers for me are those that stink of body odours. No more than normal on Lufthansa. Don't run into that problem very often at all. Worst occasion for me was a flight from Chiang Mai, but hostess moved me to a better seat far away from the problem.
Overall Lufthansa is pretty much okay And staff are good, but sometimes inadvisable in peak season (December was most difficult) if you want to be able to change ticket to fly some other day. All the Germans on holiday seem to try to fly Lufthansa. So some flights can be very full. If you are not accustomed to long flights, something to help make you drowsy and relaxed can be useful.
I once thought took a taximeter from 12.30 till 5. 30 pm for a visit to the floating market some 30/40 km away, including his waiting time at destination and the drive back. He had pre- quoted "around 1500". Then he put the meter.
On a tangent, so moved to general Thread.
For touristy tours from Bangkok, I don't recommend the Floating Market, Rose Garden, etc. Roses are crap in Thailand due to wrong climate. I thought they were just touristy bull shit, waste of time and money. There are better things. E. g. Crocodile farm and Ancient City in Samut Prakarn is much more entertaining. Jim Thompson's House is okay A few good temples (Emerald, Pho, Saket, Traimit, Arun). The Siam Niramit show is good. Even Wax museum was okay Sam Pran zoo okay Suan Pakaat historical house is good. Be careful with tour choices far distance from Bangkok.
I also thought Bridge on the River Kwai (actually sounds like Kwair almost Queer LOL) and Death Railway tours are pretty much bullshit. Nothing to see except tombstones and war photos. Go see nature like Erawan falls in Kanchanaburi is much better. Just my opinions.
I had to do the bullshit tours but comment to save others from wasting their time.
Member #4591
04-21-17, 09:07
The end of street food in Bangkok?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-15/bangkok-street-food-vendors-forced-to-move-by-thai-government/8407610Contradictory to another report:
Commerce to make Thailand "Paradise of Street Food".
Bangkok: -- The Ministry of Commerce plans to make Thailand as a "Paradise of Street Food" after the country was named for having the best street food in the world for the second consecutive year this year.
Commerce Minister Apiradi Tantraporn said the promotion of quality and clean street food would be done through its current "Noo Nich" project which emphasised on "delicious food, good quality, clean and cheap price. ".
The project is now implemented in Bangkok and is expanding to the provinces, she said.
The project is to recommend eateries offering good-quality and clean food at reasonable prices, so local people and travelers can have more restaurant options when they come to Thailand, she said.
In addition, the ministry has collaborated with the Office of SMEs Promotion to provide loans for people who want to start a "food truck" business so as to promote quality, clean and cheap price street food in the capital.
Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/commerce-make-thailand-paradise-street-food/.
Contradictory to another report:
Commerce to make Thailand "Paradise of Street Food". I wouldn't bet on this if I were you. The military junta in Pattaya has already cleaned out Walking Street of all street vendors and is working to do so in the rest of the city to the detriment of natives and tourists alike. Street food will now be segregated into ghettos designated by the goons.
I was in Suk Soi 12 to check out Darling which was closed down.
There was a girl motorcycle driver stationed there. She would love to acquire a Farang boyfriend, but probably a genuine one. LOL Take a peek in there if interested in a normal girl, probably late 20's. I don't think she is looking for a fuck, moreso a partner most likely. Don't know what her English is like. Unfortunately I already have girl long term who doesn't speak English.
Plenty of Thai girls get sick and tired of unreliable Thai boys, and may want a guy with higher responsibility levels.
It is certainly not hard to meet Thai girls looking for Farang boyfriend, even possible at Airport shops. I never pursue because I need to have less GFs rather than more, and all the good guys I know have partners already.
Soi Cowboy is my first mongering experience. All the go go bars were busy throughout Saturday and Sunday. Went to Crazy House, Midnight, Kiss, Suzie Wong. Finally on Sunday settled in Baccara, its nice place with moderate drink cost. Lots of girls dancing around at center stage and some at the tables Sat in the corner for some time with beer and started scanning the floor for possible options. Liked couple of girls who were petite, natural and long hair. Mamsan made couple of rounds near my table, but couldn't gather courage to ask for preferred girl. Finally was about to walk out after finishing my beer, there comes a petite girl around 22 - 25 years. Holds my hand and grabs my cock over pants. Made me sit back and started talking about the stuff I couldn't understand. Her English was not so good and loud music made it worst. I kept ignoring her and kept staring at a girl on dance stage. She asked for a lady drink which I refused, she asked for going out for short time which also I refused. Finally she got hint its not moving ahead. This went for about 10 to 15 minutes. By this time Mamsan started pushing me for another beer. So had one and asked her for the girl on dance floor. Got my beer and she asked me to wait for 5 minutes. The girl came directly to me and even before sitting next to me asked for Lady drink. I order her lady drink and tipped Mamsan 100 bht. We talked for about 10 minutes and I asked for short time. She quoted 5000 bhat for 2 hours, 800 bhat bar fine and 800 bhat for room near Baccara. Finally reading forum came to my help. Started bargaining and got her final price for 3000 baht, 800 bar fine and agreed to come to my hotel which was barely 5 minutes walk from Soi Cowboy. Name of the girl was Ora, English was decent enough to talk and understand. After reaching hotel had shower and then moved to bed. As per typical Thai she was petite, smooth skin and long black brown hair. Within the bed everything was mechanical and time on spot like - 10 minutes of foreplay (No DFK). 10 minutes of BJ, then WOT followed by missionary and finally doggy. All the deed was done in 1 hour. Had shower together and she started dressing up. I had whole another hour left. But as per her, short time includes only 1 shot and for another shot I need to pay 2000 baht extra. Had argument, but was going no where and I was also disappointed with service and let her go. As for girl following are the stats.
Face- 6 / 10.
Figure- 9/10.
BJ- 6/10.
CIM. NA.
VFM- 6/10.
Being my first experience it was OK. Will try other bars in coming days.
This went for about 10 to 15 minutes. By this time Mamsan started pushing me for another beer. So had one and asked her for the girl on dance floor. Got my beer and she asked me to wait for 5 minutes. The girl came directly to me and even before sitting next to me asked for Lady drink. I order her lady drink and tipped Mamsan 100 bht. We talked for about 10 minutes and I asked for short time. She quoted 5000 bhat for 2 hours, 800 bhat bar fine and 800 bhat for room near Baccara. Finally reading forum came to my help. Started bargaining and got her final price for 3000 baht, 800 bar fine and agreed to come to my hotel which was barely 5 minutes walk from Soi Cowboy. You did pretty good in the lions' den for a first time. A very good learning experience. A few tips. Don't be getting too involved with mamasans until you need them. So not necessary to buy mamasan a drink at all unless you like her and you want it to become a habit.
Most experienced guys here would bail out as soon as the rip off scams started re 5000 and the room for 800. Fortunately you got to a better deal, where a lot of guys would just not bother, and bail out, expecting that the girl is not likely to be great. I normally take a lot more than 10 minutes talk to decide if I really want a girl, but that is just me. I am very untrusting of new girls till I am sure the chemistry is good. However I am different because I am quite willing to miss out altogether, and as a new guy you don't want to go unfucked.
So I suggest maybe more than one drink for the girl and less for mamasan. Take more time to build chemistry perhaps unless scared the girl will be stolen away by another customer. I don't know the average price paid for a ST for Bacarra. It is years since I did a Bacarra girl. However correct you are only likely to get one shot. If you agree to more it will cost you more.
Some bars have a small number of girls pricing themselves at 2000 Baht, but I don't think it is so easy to find them, unless the girl is clearly a plain looker. 3000 should be the maximum for ST for in demand type girls, that can afford to be choosey. Should be possible to get girls for 2500 without too much problem in some bars, and sometimes even 2000. I don't know anything about girls asking for 5000. Probably does not happen to me, because I speak Thai.
You can get girls off the street in Soi 4 of Sukhumvit for 1000 to 1500 Baht, depending on how good they look, but you won't get 2 hours for that. I hour maximum. They may not perform that super either.
The price that girls will go depends on their looks, how in demand they are, and whether they like your attitude. Unpopular girls can be got for less, provided they are realistic.
I can usually get a girl to come to me for a drink without involving other staff. If I catch her eye, I simply use my hand to make a glass tipping drinking motion, which suggests a drink. If cannot catch her eye, especially in a busy bar like Bacarra, you can simply leave your seat and walk right up to her and say straight off you will buy her a drink. Then she will probably give some signal of agreement if she is available, and then come to your seat when able. She can say no if she is already taken, and occasionally, you find a girl that does not respond at all, perhaps too shy to say no, but probably means she will not come. This last case normally happens when the girl has a specific target fish (guy), but has not yet landed him for certain, so her brain is in a quandary. You loose some, you find another.
Some shy girls stare into space and never look directly at all the customers to check who is interested. Some girls get flustered when 5 different guys are all wanting to buy her a drink at the same time. The fast acting guy may win, or the regular customer may win.
Thai Girls and Thai Language.
Most Thai girls don't use a huge vocab in the Thai language, particularly if they are actually Issan girls. Chances are their schooling wasn't that high.
So I find my Thai vocab of around 4000 words reasonably well understood, is sufficient for normal communication. However I was watching Thai television, and find the Thai News somewhat more difficult to follow, perhaps understanding 80% of words but also struggling with the pace. The vocab used includes lots of official words not used in everyday conversation. You have not got time to stop, think, and translate.
Last night tried to watch some episodes of the Good Wife dubbed into Thai. This was a real struggle, due to fast pace and high vocab English translated into Thai, plus strange accents of the people used for dubbing. They tend to speak not exactly Thai style. I am not happy. I am faced with the daunting task to do vocab flashcards everyday to try to get my understood words up to maybe close to 8000, perhaps need to read Thai Newspaper regularly, and also, need to watch these programs to get used to very fast paced speaking. In contrast I found some old porn videos with German speaking much easier to understand, even though my German is far weaker than my Thai. LOL. The speaking was nice and slow and very simple Vocab used. Day to day talk.
So being fluent in Thai only to standard of a 6 to 8 year old kid, is not satisfying. Purely enough to get by. My Issan Vocab is very low so that also needs work. 15 YO step daughter clearly speaks Thai a lot more advanced than me.
Mastering a language is such a lot of hard work, and then our accent will always be strange and tone mistakes frequent. For those wanting to improve there Thai comprehension, I recommend watching some Thai Soap Lakhorn series, if can stand their somewhat inane nature, but contain simple conversation. Thais call them "naam nao" (meaning putrid water). Maybe some variety shows might be easier to tolerate. One program called "This is Morchit" I find slow paced but watchable because the host "Sanyaa" is a very likeable guy (does not talk too much), and the hostess is pretty. Some news programs also tolerable. Game shows normally too silly for me. My favorite Thai girl Gik, when with me, hates Thai channels so she makes me change to a Farang channel. She could watch the Good Wife dubbed into Thai. If in English, she would probably struggle to fully understand. Hardly surprising she never had a Thai man in her life, at all.
When my Thai is similar standard to the girl's English, we end up speaking a mixture of Thai and English, depending which language seems best at the time. However most P4 P girls don't have really good English.
I hear plenty of Farangs in the pub speaking Thai, however most sound funny. We all sound funny I guess, with accent obviously there.
Robert Long
04-27-17, 12:16
Thai Girls and Thai Language.
Most Thai girls don't use a huge vocab in the Thai language, particularly if they are actually Issan girls. Chances are their schooling wasn't that high.
So I find my Thai vocab of around 4000 words reasonably well understood, is sufficient for normal communication. However I was watching Thai television, and find the Thai News somewhat more difficult to follow, perhaps understanding 80% of words but also struggling with the pace. The vocab used includes lots of official words not used in everyday conversation. You have not got time to stop, think, and translate.
Last night tried to watch some episodes of the Good Wife dubbed into Thai. This was a real struggle, due to fast pace and high vocab English translated into Thai, plus strange accents of the people used for dubbing. They tend to speak not exactly Thai style. I am not happy. I am faced with the daunting task to do vocab flashcards everyday to try to get my understood words up to maybe close to 8000, perhaps need to read Thai Newspaper regularly, and also, need to watch these programs to get used to very fast paced speaking. In contrast I found some old porn videos with German speaking much easier to understand, even though my German is far weaker than my Thai. LOL. The speaking was nice and slow and very simple Vocab used. Day to day talk..Then of course you know that the Chicken came before the egg. Guy Kai. Give an answer to the old question. 555.
RL.
For anyone with a very small amount of Thai language knowledge, the way to improve it is spend time with Thai girls that have no English, preferably take them on holiday with you. Be armed with a "Thai-English English-Thai Talking Dictionary" (by Paiboon and Word in the Hand) on smart phone. The best little book I ever had in my early days was Robertson's Practical English- Thai Dictionary. It is oriented to simple phrases or clauses rather than single words. Not comprehensive but covers a lot of important basics. Never seen anything else like it. Single English words have multiple meanings. Single Thai words have multiple meanings also. Therefore books translating single words do not work.
https://books.google.co.th/books?id=sJr59PHrDvMC&redir_esc=y
The Paiboon dictionary gives examples in context frequently. It also has a naughty words section. Or love words section. LOL.
For sexual phrases also have a look at this:
http://www.thai-language.com/id/589875
Everyone needs a proper teacher in earliest stages to get pronunciation corrected. Don't want to learn it all wrong.
My biggest frustration in early days, was knowing what I want to say, but not knowing best way to say it in Thai, or how would a Thai person say it. To say something to a girl like "when I stroke your skin, it feels so smooth and nice" was such a challenge. Much harder than to say "I am hungry". "I need to sleep", etc.
For anyone with a very small amount of Thai language knowledge, the way to improve it is spend time with Thai girls that have no English, preferably take them on holiday with you.That is about the most tedious chore imaginable. Taking two though might improve somewhat the likelihood you're not being bored senseless.
You did pretty good in the lions' den for a first time. A very good learning experience. A few tips. Don't be getting too involved with mamasans until you need them. So not necessary to buy mamasan a drink at all unless you like her and you want it to become a habit.
Most experienced guys here would bail out as soon as the rip off scams started re 5000 and the room for 800. Fortunately you got to a better deal, where a lot of guys would just not bother, and bail out, expecting that the girl is not likely to be great. I normally take a lot more than 10 minutes talk to decide if I really want a girl, but that is just me. I am very untrusting of new girls till I am sure the chemistry is good. However I am different because I am quite willing to miss out altogether, and as a new guy you don't want to go unfucked.
So I suggest maybe more than one drink for the girl and less for mamasan. Take more time to build chemistry perhaps unless scared the girl will be stolen away by another customer. I don't know the average price paid for a ST for Bacarra. It is years since I did a Bacarra girl. However correct you are only likely to get one shot. If you agree to more it will cost you more..Thanks Syzygies for tips. One thing you mentioned, really helped me was dealing with Mamasan. Went out again at Baccara and ignored the Mamasan. The girl which I took couple days back recognized me and tried to push me for another ST. However I just was not interested in repeating same one again. Just started walking out off the club after finishing my beer and two more girls immediately jumped in. They didn't approach me till I was with the previous girl. I decided to wait and went back in corner area which was much dark and away from attention. One of the girl started asking for lady drink. I order two and this time Mamasan brought the drink and started asking for tips after paying for lady drinks. I simply left 10 baht coin in the cup and promised to pay for girl which I can take back for ST. She agreed and walked off. Instead off deciding which one to take back, I started chatting and within no time two hands were on my cock. I also started pressing boobs touching them down with one girl sitting on my lap. This went for about 20 minutes, one of them (number 16 tag) had to go on stage. So I continued with (number 12 tag). Ordered another lady drink for her (no tips to Mamasan only promise to take the girl back to my hotel and it worked). I was enjoying every moment with lip kiss, boobs press and good lap dance for about 40 to 50 minutes. After sometime I made excuse to smoke and went out of the club. This time I paid only about 400 baht and enjoyed every bit of action without any rip off. This is where seniors really come to help.
From Bacarra I then went to Suzie Wong and picked up a really hot girl. Who is still with me.
Thanks Syzygies.
For anyone with a very small amount of Thai language knowledge, the way to improve it is spend time with Thai girls that have no English, preferably take them on holiday with you. Be armed with a "Thai-English English-Thai Talking Dictionary" (by Paiboon and Word in the Hand) on smart phone. The best little book I ever had in my early days was Robertson's Practical English- Thai Dictionary. It is oriented to simple phrases or clauses rather than single words. Not comprehensive but covers a lot of important basics. Never seen anything else like it. Single English words have multiple meanings. Single Thai words have multiple meanings also. Therefore books translating single words do not work.
https://books.google.co.th/books?id=sJr59PHrDvMC&redir_esc=y
The Paiboon dictionary gives examples in context frequently. It also has a naughty words section. Or love words section. LOL.
For sexual phrases also have a look at this:
http://www.thai-language.com/id/589875Syzygies or others: this translating tool was just posted in the Chang Mai forum by Werqweq. Does it seem good to you? It appears to be convenient and free.
https://www.thai2english.com/
Syzygies or others: this translating tool was just posted in the Chang Mai forum by Werqweq. Does it seem good to you? It appears to be convenient and free.
https://www.thai2english.com/My detailed answer is on the Chiang Mai forum. In short, I don't think it is any better than Google Translate. Can't get a simple common expression right. Possibly suited better to more formal Thai sentences, than to girl chat like typing. Remains to be seen if any use at all.
UltraHappy
04-27-17, 21:38
If a girl comes to me and asks me to buy her a lady drink, I understand that might cost around 140 baht of which she gets half as commission.
So, if a girl asks me to buy her a lady drink, why don't I just give her 100 baht instead? She gets more than the commission she would have gotten from a lady drink and she doesn't have to pretend to drink something that she probably doesn't want to drink. Everyone is a winner except the bar. But, I assume that the bar won't give me any trouble or ask me to leave as long as I have a non-finished drink sitting in front of me.
I'm a non-drinker, so my drink would just be a Sprite or some juice thing anyways I suppose.
Anyways, what's wrong with this plan of cutting the bar out of the whole lady drink nonsense and giving the girl her commission directly? Or, would her head simply explode, not being able to compute what stupid foreigner me is trying to do?
Just curious.
If a girl comes to me and asks me to buy her a lady drink, I understand that might cost around 140 baht of which she gets half as commission.
So, if a girl asks me to buy her a lady drink, why don't I just give her 100 baht instead? She gets more than the commission she would have gotten from a lady drink and she doesn't have to pretend to drink something that she probably doesn't want to drink. Everyone is a winner except the bar. But, I assume that the bar won't give me any trouble or ask me to leave as long as I have a non-finished drink sitting in front of me.
I'm a non-drinker, so my drink would just be a Sprite or some juice thing anyways I suppose.
Anyways, what's wrong with this plan of cutting the bar out of the whole lady drink nonsense and giving the girl her commission directly? Or, would her head simply explode, not being able to compute what stupid foreigner me is trying to do?
Just curious.Ha ha. I normally drink Soda or Coke Light, occasionally juice.
Firstly the cost of lady drink varies a lot. As high as 200 Baht in some bars and rarely as low as 140 Baht. 170 might be typical. The customer drink could well cost less. The lady typically gets less than half the cost of a lady drink. So if the price is 200 Baht in Suzie Wong, I would be very surprised in the girl gets 100 Baht. Might be 60 Baht or 80 Baht.
Some bars have happy hour when drinks cost less.
You have to understand that the way the bar makes money is to sell drinks. So guys that sit on a single water all night are useless waste of space customers. Even more so, if unwilling to buy any lady drinks. A lady will not sit with you if you do not buy her drinks, simply because it is her job to get customers to buy drinks for her.
Now we come to the subtle part. You can keep her drinks to a reasonable minimum such as 1 drink per 40 minutes, and give her a good tip afterwards. She will certainly get far more by receiving 200 Baht directly than from buying her a single drink.
It is better not to buy drinks for any other staff, unless you want them to sit with you as well, and keep asking for more drinks.
Buying Ping Pong balls to throw around, I think gives the girls a 50/50 split with the bar from commission they get per ball, however, then your money starts to be indiscriminately spread around the bar. So I don't play ping pong balls. Have even seen someone get injured in the mad rush to grab the balls flying around the bar.
You can try slipping a girl 100 baht notes, instead of buying her drinks, but I think management will probably tell her not to sit with you. If they see you are doing this to circumvent buying drinks, they may ask her to hand over the money. So I don't believe the management will accept everyone trying to buck the system. They may not ask you to leave as long as you keep buying drinks. If you go too long without buying any more drinks, perhaps you could be asked to leave. I am not too sure what they tolerate, and depends on the bar. If bar is short of available seats, they won't appreciate waste of time customers.
So I believe a girl will not sit with a customer not buying her drinks, because she will be ostracized for doing that. So her time with you should run out quickly if she has not got a drink.
Indians especially may be told the club is members only, if there is a suspicion that they might want almost free entertainment by sitting on a drink all night. Guys from that country seem to have the worst reputation for being not willing to part with any money, and wanting a free ride. Maybe an unfair reputation.
I know some bars provide no viable entertainment at all. In that case it is best not to sit in those clubs for long.
My drinks buying varies a lot. If no girls are interesting me, my Soda can last quite a while at low cost. If I "entertain" a girl or two, it is going to cost me, however that is fair because I am less bored. I don't buy girls two drinks at a time unless she is simply amazing, and I want to get her out of there very quickly and get to the bed. However there is a girl I will buy a drink for, simply because she is my friend, even I won't be fucking her.
If girls entertain customers, but fail to sell enough drinks, they could easily be told not to come back to work any more. I. e. They are cheating the bar. They are just not doing their job.
The bar also makes money fro barfines, but selling drinks remains very important. They expect the average customers' drinks bill to be higher than their barfine bill, at least in bars I have been in. Even when my bill is very low, since in that case, it has no BF component. The waiting staff have to get paid for somehow.
UltraHappy
04-27-17, 22:26
Ha ha. I normally drink Soda or Coke Light, occasionally juice.
You have to understand that the way the bar makes money is to sell drinks. So guys that sit on a single water all night are useless waste of space customers. Even more so, if unwilling to buy any lady drinks. A lady will not sit with you if you do not buy her drinks, simply because it is her job to get customers to buy drinks for her.
Now we come to the subtle part. You can keep her drinks to a reasonable minimum such as 1 drink per 40 minutes, and give her a good tip afterwards. She will certainly get far more by receiving 200 Baht directly than from buying her a single drink.
Oh, I did not realize that the girl sits with you for more than half an hour for the price of just one drink. That seems like an awfully long time. I was imagining it would be a far shorter time.
Ok, sounds like my "scam" wouldn't work then.
If I am really enjoying hanging out with a girl, maybe I just buy her first lady drink, then after 30 minutes, I discreetly slip her 100-150 baht and tell her no more lady drinks before I leave or take her home? Better plan?
Banana Boi
04-27-17, 23:07
Oh, I did not realize that the girl sits with you for more than half an hour for the price of just one drink. That seems like an awfully long time. I was imagining it would be a far shorter time.
If I am really enjoying hanging out with a girl, maybe I just buy her first lady drink, then after 30 minutes, I discreetly slip her 100-150 baht and tell her no more lady drinks before I leave or take her home? Better plan?Yes some girls will sit for a long time and not push you for drinks. I usually reward those girls at the end of the night with a 200 baht tip or whatever change I have coming back to me. Girls make 50 baht per drink in most places. Other places have quotas the girl must make for the night. So really if you order 1 lady drink for a girl and tip her 200 baht after 2 hours then she made the equivalent of 5 drinks which is a pretty decent pace for most girls. Some bars don't allow this with pushy waitresses and mamasans. If the waitress is friendly and cute I may also tip the waitress 100 baht too to go along with this. Remember, in Thailand any tip money left in the folder goes to the bar. Any money you take out of the folder and give directly to the waitress goes to the waitress.
edit - I'm reading Syzy's post now. I basically said what he said. Girls are all for the tip at the end as long as they're not on a drink minimum quota getting a weekly salary.
Anyways, what's wrong with this plan of cutting the bar out of the whole lady drink nonsense and giving the girl her commission directly? Or, would her head simply explode, not being able to compute what stupid foreigner me is trying to do?
Just curious.They have a monthly quota of lady drinks to fulfill.
Ok, sounds like my "scam" wouldn't work then.Feels like you have put a lot of thought into circumventing the system in order to "scam" the bar out of $1 USD. It seems our subcontinent friends do have some worthy competition.
SL.
Yes some girls will sit for a long time and not push you for drinks. I usually reward those girls at the end of the night with a 200 baht tip or whatever change I have coming back to meDon't forget to mention all the girls asking for a tip when you pay your tab and the change comes.
UltraHappy
04-28-17, 01:04
They have a monthly quota of lady drinks to fulfill.
Feels like you have put a lot of thought into circumventing the system in order to "scam" the bar out of $1 USD.
SL.Good point. Sounds like the first phrase I should learn how to say in Thai is, "No, I am a Cheap Charlie!" Haha.
I have no problem paying the girls well. I just don't like the idea of paying a bar for a bunch of unwanted drinks. I am just used to other countries where we pay one admission fee that covers all facility use, unlimited food, and other amenities. I suppose I just need to get used to the idea of paying for a bunch of stupid drinks whether I want them or not.
I mean the bar is going to get a bar fine out of me if I take one of their girls -- this I am happy to pay. But I am reluctant / resistant to the idea of paying for a bunch of drinks. Maybe I am just use too used to the way they do things in other countries.
They have a monthly quota of lady drinks to fulfill.Exactly. Although the girl will appreciate the guy slipping her 100 baht on the side instead of buying her a first or second Lady Drink, when a deal has been struck for barfine take-out the girl might very well and often will still ask the guys trying this method to please buy her 1-2 Lady Drinks before they leave to help her satisfy that quota. That is the moment he will need to decide if his saying no will spoil the lovey-dovey chemistry established for that take-out, go along with her last second request or cancel the whole thing and move on. That's a lot of risk in order to save a buck or two.
We've all probably thought of it and tried some variation of it to varying success. I've even had great success here and there by cutting out the Lady Drink bit all together and just negotiated a take-out without buying a Lady Drink at all. Or even a drink for myself! LOL.
Member #4643
04-28-17, 01:23
Exactly. Although the girl will appreciate the guy slipping her 100 baht on the side instead of buying her a first or second Lady Drink, when a deal has been struck for barfine take-out the girl might very well and often will still ask the guys trying this method to please buy her 1-2 Lady Drinks before they leave to help her satisfy that quota. That is the moment he will need to decide if his saying no will spoil the lovey-dovey chemistry established for that take-out by saying no, go along with her last second request or cancel the whole thing and move on. That's a lot of risk in order to save a buck or two.
We've all probably thought of it and tried some variation of it to varying success. I've even had great success here and there by cutting out the Lady Drink bit all together and just negotiated a take-out without buying a Lady Drink at all. Or even a drink for myself! LOL.Wouldn't the promise of a tip for good service make up for the lack of enthusiasm for buying a lady drink? Personally, I refuse to buy more than one drink. I like to spend some time getting to know the girl I intend to bring back to the hotel for sex, and a few hundred baht seems like a small price to pay. If I decide to bar fine the lady, no more drinks seem necessary (to me). Certainly the girl is making more money with ST or LT than she will earn on a few lady drinks.
It is essentially because of the bar fine system and the lady drink quotas that I prefer bars with FL girls and the soapies to the go-go bars.
Wouldn't the promise of a tip for good service make up for the lack of enthusiasm for buying a lady drink? Personally, I refuse to buy more than one drink. I like to spend some time getting to know the girl I intend to bring back to the hotel for sex, and a few hundred baht seems like a small price to pay. If I decide to bar fine the lady, no more drinks seem necessary (to me). Certainly the girl is making more money with ST or LT than she will earn on a few lady drinks.
It is essentially because of the bar fine system and the lady drink quotas that I prefer bars with FL girls and the soapies to the go-go bars.In a Soapy, the Management is getting a high portion of the fee. In a bar you know how much the management is taking roughly in the barfine and the drinks. The girl gets all of what you pay her. An MP has a component for the management as well. So really the BF is not the reason you avoid bars, logically.
The true reason you avoid the bar, is because the girl price is higher than you want to pay, and because you are bored in there, or you don't know if the girl is a dud. Soapy girl can be a dud just as easily, in fact even more easily for customers like me.
In Ocean, you can pay as little as 1700, from which the girl might get only 800. So 900 to the management, plus any drinks. The reason you take this, is because the girl gets so little. Annies is another example where management gets a high portion of the fee. It's probably similar at all Soapies. Plenty of Oily girls are making about 1200 or 1300 per customer (the girls lose something out of the 1500 you pay them). Freelancers available on the street for 1000 to 1500. This is the true way to get a girl without management overhead. Hence the popularity of Thermae also with some customers.
The problem with the bar is mainly the girls are asking for too much money, because they think they can get it. Okay Some girls still can be found for 2000. Not much below that.
A top girl in an Oily makes good money but only because she has to fuck many times. The bargirl has a lot less customers, and fucks less. Less wear and tear on the body. Can be fresher. Many have only one fuck per day. Many average much less than one fuck per day, failing to get BFed often.
Very expensive Soapy girls don't need more than 1 customer per day, perhaps, as well. If a Soapy girl at The Lord cost 6000 Baht including the Farang surcharge, I don't know how much the girl makes. Probably not much more than half of it at a wild guess.
If I went back to 20 years ago, there were Soapies where sex was not included in the initial price. At CP2 I used to pay the "Ancient Thai Massage" girl a cash tip of 1 K to include sex in the session. She probably got a very small amount from the massage fee as well, but the total management fee was somewhat under control.
So now, just before I arrive at Siam Station I just need to think about which direction I am approaching from and which way I want to go. So if arriving from Sukhumvit, if I want to go to National Stadium I need to stay on the same level, if I want to go to Silom I need to go down to the lower level platform.
I am sure there are other ways of doing this, but this way works for me at least for now.
Apologies for the diversion away from Massage Shops.The chances I am coming from Morchit and wish to go to Silom, is very low indeed. Never happens. Nor Visa Versa. The chances I want to go to National Stadium are low. Only for going to MBK. So overall, I almost always have to change levels and I am always changing from West direction to East direction, so I always have to go downstairs to change.
I have come to prefer to use MRT to Sukhumvit and then change to Sukhumvit BTS line (or visa versa). Seems to take a bit less time in not too far away from MRT line at the start.
Just heard a story (reliable) about a Tomboy taking on a post-opp ladyboy as a couple. Go figure! I can't fathom it. At least I can't imagine what the sex would be like. Maybe sex is not the important thing in the relationship?
Today is "May Day" but very little will be closed, perhaps some government offices.
Next bar closures should 10th May, religious holiday, Wan Khao Phansaa (also called Wisakhaa Buchaa with various spellings.)
http://www.boomboomme.com/resources/holidays/thailand/
Oh, I did not realize that the girl sits with you for more than half an hour for the price of just one drink. That seems like an awfully long time. I was imagining it would be a far shorter time.
Ok, sounds like my "scam" wouldn't work then.
If I am really enjoying hanging out with a girl, maybe I just buy her first lady drink, then after 30 minutes, I discreetly slip her 100-150 baht and tell her no more lady drinks before I leave or take her home? Better plan?Normally a girl with sit with you approx. 20 minutes for buying her one drink. Then it become her turn to do a dance set of 20 minutes. She will go on stage for 20 minutes and then can come back to you if she likes you. You then will probably be expected to buy her another drink during the next 20 minutes with you. Otherwise she may decide to go away, again depending on how badly she wants you.
They love charming funny party animals, not too arrogant. I don't have the charm levels, no bullshit from me, but I do okay With the nicer girls. Not too stingy. This causes some girls to go with me without negotiating a price.
20 minutes is not exact. In some bars it maybe only 15 minutes or may be 5 songs which turns out to be roughly 20 minutes but not exactly. If she first sits with you only 5 minutes before der dance turn, and you have already bought her drink, then you would expect her to return to you, after her dance stint. However it is not guaranteed. There could be some other regular customer of hers showing up, and stealing her away, or she is a scammer, or just does not take to you for some reason.
To ensure that a girl is not stolen away from you, you have to barfine her. However check first with her that she is willing and wants to go fuck at least short time, not her period, etc.
The price of girls is not exceptional low here, however you get much more time than with a European girl, for your money. Should be no rush. Girls that want to rush are the bad ones. If you normally pop very fast, you would have to negotiate for multiple Pops session. I don't have that problem. Always very slow to pop, so I need the extra time. I always take girls for at least one hour, but with good performing girls I usually want at least 90 minutes for my Short Time.
Why would you consider coming here to Thailand? I thought Asian girls had no appeal for you? Incidentally I like black girls, but hardly ever do one here, because 98% of them seem low quality and ugly, or too fat. However occasionally see the odd stunner. It is possible to do white girls here, but why bother? They are better in Europe. You really need to like Thai girls before coming here I think. Try some Asian girls in Europe first, and see if you like them. You know the lovely one I recommend.
I am still trying this site from time to time.
It seems it can sometimes do a better job of translating Thai to English, than Google Translate. Example: I fed in.
เครื่องขัดฟัน khreuang khat fan.
Google came up with "Toothbrush" not good (I think). Should be incorrect. Normal Thai way to say toothbrush is quite different: (bpraeng sii fan).
Thai2 english came up with: "Grinder (for) Teeth" (closer).
My translate would be: tooth polishing machine (used by Dentists).
http://translation.babylon-software.com/thai/to-english/ came up with "dental floss". Not normal way to say dental floss. Should be "maai khat fan" (meaning silk to scrub the teeth)
Microsoft's: https://www.bing.com/translator came up with "Tooth polishing machine". Wow, Bingo! Suggests it has a very large database, or has extra smarts when selecting the best English word for the context, or I just got lucky. Does not mean it will be good with every Thai phrase. Perhaps the way to go, is plug the Thai text into several translate sites, and then try to amalgamate using the more sensible parts from each. LOL
However thai2english.com is not designed to translate English to Thai (can only lookup specific English words). For English sentence to Thai translation, it is completely useless.
There is no http://www.english2thai.com/.
I typed in the English word "dick" LOL. thai2English came up with:
อวัยวะเพศ ชาย
a-wai-wa payt chaai
which literally means: "male sexual organs" (not a very good translate - a bit vague since dick does not include balls).
a-wai-wa is actually wrong pronunciation. Should be a-wai-ya-wa
If put the word "dick" into Thai-language.com, you gets lots of alternative words, including all the vulgar ones, much better.
The Thai word "ham" หำ was not included. It seems to be a vague word which some Thais say means dick and others say means testicles. Seems to, by itself, vaguely mean male genitals. A little bit non specific. Khuay is very specific meaning dick but much more vulgar. Other possible a little less vulgar words are krajiao, krador. "Juu" means little boy's dick. Can use this one to be joking. I sometimes called my dick "my young brother" in Thai as a euphemism. Thais may call it their "dove" but I can't get used to that one. Sounds too silly.
So try thai2english.com, but only for translating Thai sentences to English, instead of Google. Thai-language.com is better as a dictionary both ways. Try also Bing Translate and Babylon/Babelfish which may do better sometimes. Some of these other sites do attempt translate in both directions.
We all now why Nataree had so many girls and was so popular. Unfortunately it was not even close to legal. Was not a favorite place for me, since new girls were dick scared, very inexperienced, were not receiving much money due to contracts, etc. Highly supervised. I prefer girls freer to do as they please. They got done for trafficking offences.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30312739
There is now a big scandal going on in Mae Hong Son where so many police and high ranking officials have been involved with illegal and trafficked girls.
Makes me feel a lot better about being with much older freelance girls who love to come have some fun and make a bit of money too. So keen for a hookup at a convenient venue.
5 May used to be Coronation day but this holiday has been cancelled. Next holiday is Wed 10 May religious holiday Wisakhaa Bucha when bars will close.
I photographed the price board at a few places. It does say distances up to 10 km the price is not to exceed 100 Baht. LOL.
I took a cycle today just under 2 km to MRT Lumphini. The official price was 25 Baht and I got charged 30 Baht. So Farang surcharge was just 5 baht. Pretty good.
Official price from Soi 23 to Soi 33 is 25 Baht, to Soi 39 is 40 Baht (covers deep in Soi) and to Soi 11 or 13 or 15 is 40 Baht. That includes a U turn and crossing Asoke. Price to Nana Plaza is not specified. However it is no further than delivering to deep in Soi 11, actually less.
My conclusion is 60 Baht from Cowboy to Nana Plaza is probably a 50% Farang surcharge, so should never be more than that.
I rent a room by the month for 8000 Baht plus electricity charge. I use this to work and sleep when here in Bangkok. I have fridge, microwave provided, plus I bought Induction Cooker to use on balcony. It cooks very fast and produces hardly any smoke.
It used to be the case that eating on the street was just as cheap as cooking your own food. This is no longer the case. Mark ups for cooked food start to grow a lot. 15 years ago eating cooked chicken was very cheap (not any more). Today bought 4 raw chicken thighs at supermarket for 47 Baht. A cooked half-chicken was 75 Baht, but that contains the wing and breast that I like less than thigh and leg. A deep fried chicken stand in small market place was selling fried chicken thighs (admittedly a bit larger than those I bought), for 50 Baht eat. Vegetables can still be bought very cheap especially at the market. A whole bag of onions cost 45 Baht.
The reason I like to cook my own food often is that I control the ingredients and can avoid lots of chemical additives, e. G. Sugar and MSG, and unknown suspect cooking oils, and keep salt content low. Looking after my health and weight is important. Can buy an MSG free seasoning in Thailand.
I am still buying some cooked foods, like vegetable soup bags, which are quite cheap at 30 Baht, or when too lazy to cook.
I managed to buy a Guatemala 100% Arabica ground coffee other day on special at 90 Baht for 227 gm. Pack at Tesco-Lotus. Normal price is double that. Stocked up a bit. Obviously imported Italian costs a lot more so I import my own from Italy in a suitcase often. I don't have high quality apparatus, so just make do with making filter coffee at home. Drinking at the local coffee shop is expensive and service is very slow. I prefer to avoid that. Save money for mongering. LOL.
I do eat at the Sports pub sometimes to be able to get a nice lamb roast once in a while. However Lamb costs an arm and a leg here, so it not at all cheap to do that. Can order a small portion. LOL (but I usually don't). Good quality Beef is also very expensive here. So pork is a lot cheaper.
To watch the weight, I avoid a lot of useless carbs type foods, being rice, potatoes, noodles, bread, sweet drinks, orange juice and other overly sweet fruits, etc. , and avoid large meals. It really works well to keep the weight in check. Obviously rice is very cheap but nutrition value is low, capacity to fatten is high. At first I moved to high fibre unpolished rice, then I realised I did not need rice at all. Used to eat Phat Thai noodles, but ready to give that up. It is too sweet. I hate sugar in my savoury dishes.
If I did not spend on woman and sex, I would / could live here very cheaply indeed, at least when not travelling on a holiday. So apparently the only reason not to retire here, is that women/sex is getting too expensive.
When I first arrived in Bangkok unaccompanied, the year was something like 1991 and I was immediately introduced to Soi Cowboy which had topless dancing but no full nudity. For full nudity you had to go to Pat Pong, and I certainly did in those days, especially at lunchtime when bars like Kangaroo or Annies Rose were very low on customers but plenty of girls available to play with (molest or fuck).
A small number of years later Nana Plaza had been developing, and a change in the policing occur. Suddenly full nudity came to Hollywood, Lollipop and Pretty Lady bar and probably a few others, maybe Voodoo? My memory is pretty vague about this so I don't know what year.
Some time later I acquired a GF and all my bar activities came to an end for many years, still sneaking in the odd soapy visit during the day. At some point the rules changed and full nudity died out in the Nana Plaza with or before moral cleansing around 2001 and 2002 (same time as clean out of foreign girls and those too young), so despite odd visits in 2003 and 2004 my interest dropped right off. At some point Lollipop had acquired a mermaid tank for naked girls but this was taken out in 2002. This was the start of the Nana Plaza decline most likely, or was it before that? I first joined the ISG in approx. 2005.
I have read that Suzi Wong had a new opening in 2002 and introduced some exotic shows including the lesbian show. Normal nude dancing may have come somewhat later, not clear which year but certainly by 2006. However I did not discover this till about 2006. By 2006 Long Gun, Raw Hide, and Midnite also had nudity and Long Gun had both dance routine shows like Angel Witch and also Pat Pong like shows. I liked Long Gun except not the Pat Pong type shows. Suzi Wong had nudity and continued its more erotic style shows rather than Pat Pong like shows for the tourists. Doll House had to bring nudity as well and Sheba (Suzi clone) was a big favourite of mine till it closed. Took two girls at a time many times. By 2006 somehow prices had rocketed to up to 1500 for ST where back in 1991 it was 500 for whole night. Not sure what period saw the steepest price rises.
Some of the other cowboy bars like Bacarra had girls with skirts but no knickers. Look up the skirt was never my thing really.
Approx mid 2013 Crazy House opened with full nudity or skirts with no knickers. This was after the Sheba closure end of 2012. For many years I had hardly attended Nana Plaza due to lack of nudity and due to Lots of silicone and perceived lack of GFE girls that really wanted have fun.
Still no full nudity in Nana Plaza, and only a small percentage of girls topless. I cannot tolerate so many girls with thick multi layers of bras on, or where most topless girls have silicones, e. G. Bacarra, or Bangkok Bunnies.
By 2006 Long Gun, Raw Hide, and Midnite also had nudity and Long Gun had both dance routine shows like Angel Witch and also Pat Pong like shows. I liked Long Gun except not the Pat Pong type shows. I first arrived in Bangkok in 1999 and Long Gun already had full nudity and all of the same shows they had in 2006. There were true stunners in Long Gun until around 2005. After that, the quality dropped drastically and that remains the case to this day.
I first arrived in Bangkok in 1999 and Long Gun already had full nudity and all of the same shows they had in 2006. There were true stunners in Long Gun until around 2005. After that, the quality dropped drastically and that remains the case to this day.You would probably recall the tall stunner called Noi from Udon with perfect tits at Long Gun then? Unfortunately she did not perform on the bed for me. That was disappointing. Possibly she went for much younger guys. I also liked particularly skinny Ning from the Cabaret show (the bowler hat routine for example). I never tried the very long time famous blondie girl. She was a bit wild (possibly on drugs).
Flying to Phnom Penh for a couple of days and then coming back to Thailand, is a good way to get around problems of the Passport stamp permission to stay in Thailand expiry date, right? I had 30 days VISA exemption, followed by a 30 day extension already. I think I have to fly out now. I should get a spouse VISA most likely but just have not needed to do it yet, as always going in and out often.
Any comments? I believe can get VISA on arrival in Cambodia, and certain airports in Laos.
Flying to Phnom Penh for a couple of days and then coming back to Thailand, is a good way to get around problems of the Passport stamp permission to stay in Thailand expiry date, right? I had 30 days VISA exemption, followed by a 30 day extension already. I think I have to fly out now. I should get a spouse VISA most likely but just have not needed to do it yet, as always going in and out often.
Any comments? I believe can get VISA on arrival in Cambodia, and certain airports in Laos.Yes visa on arrival, easy process, kind of cool way they do it all the generals and big shots sit in a row and pass it down the line, and in no time you have visa, I think 25 US dollars, I stayed at riverside (girl friendly) and can't beat the location, I spoiled myself and got the apartment with balcony over the busy street 136 I think, way worth it! Any info needed read banana boy and uncle v reports their spot on about this town! Have a blast!
Banana Boi
05-11-17, 22:08
Why not get a METV good for 6 months + 60 days or, if you're over 55, apply for an OA Retirement Visa. METV is under $200 but you have to leave Thailand every 60 days (ie. Visa run by air to PP). However, these must be obtained in your home country AFAIK. I think you will be fine getting another 30 day Thai Visa upon re-entry to Thailand. They just don't like to see too many 30 day free entries in a row since Thai government isn't making Visa money that way. Thaivisa.com is the site that will give you an immediate best answer.
What nationality do the Thai people prefer? Americans or Canadians? I found TGs didn't know where Canada is, if they had even heard of it. Several of them said, Europe?
I told them it's beside the USA like LOS is next to Cambodia, Malaysia & Laos.
Why not get a METV good for 6 months + 60 days or, if you're over 55, apply for an OA Retirement Visa. METV is under $200 but you have to leave Thailand every 60 days (ie. Visa run by air to PP). However, these must be obtained in your home country AFAIK. I think you will be fine getting another 30 day Thai Visa upon re-entry to Thailand. They just don't like to see too many 30 day free entries in a row since Thai government isn't making Visa money that way. Thaivisa.com is the site that will give you an immediate best answer.METV VISA does not have huge benefits if have to leave every 60 days. However would get one if I know I want to stay continuously for a long period. Normally I don't stay over 4 weeks. Have only gone over 30 days on 3 occasions. So just get a 30 day extension. They make 1900 Baht for that. This is first time I wanted to stay more than 60 days.
Retirement VISA for the future or Spouse VISA. I think the mechanisms are similar.
What nationality do the Thai people prefer? Americans or Canadians? I found TGs didn't know where Canada is, if they had even heard of it. Several of them said, Europe?
I told them it's beside the USA like LOS is next to Cambodia, Malaysia & Laos.I don't think they prefer Nationalities, but certainly there are some they don't prefer. There are always good exceptions to the generalities applied to each Nationality.
More like some girls prefer Japanese and Korean. Some prefer Farangs. Sometimes they form generalisations, like "French guys are no good, stingy" as an example.
Thai girls have their funny ideas. Some girls (even darker skinned ones LOL) do not like black guys, but have no logical reason for it (just a prejudice), just like some guys don't like dark skinned girls. Personally I can do black girls no problem, if they are beautiful and sexy. Even I prefer only medium tone black girls (not to Nubian black). It's probably just a case of what we get used to. I know guys that do not like Asian girls at all. I have no clue why.
What nationality do the Thai people prefer? Americans or Canadians? I found TGs didn't know where Canada is, if they had even heard of it. Several of them said, Europe?
I told them it's beside the USA like LOS is next to Cambodia, Malaysia & Laos.The most common response I get whenever I ask a bargirl which men from which country they prefer is Australian. No, I am not Australian. LOL. But the girls mention that nationality more than any other I ever hear. Bear in mind, they wouldn't likely have a clue that Australia is not "USA" or "UK" or "The Moon" for that matter. I tell them I am from California and they are as likely to say "oh, from England?" as "oh, from Australia?"
I just think "Australia" is the latest buzz word repeated among bargirl for a certain kind of customer; loud, gregarious, travel in groups, buy lots of drinks, etc.
I need to pick a hotel (walkable from a good night club), a night club where they have a dance floor and play hiphop or a good dance music, and they should be close to decent restaurants. Can you recommend some specific hotels / clubs that satisfy the criteria. Am fine with the club belonging to the hotel or being within the hotel so I don't waste much time commuting.
You would probably recall the tall stunner called Noi from Udon with perfect tits at Long Gun then? Unfortunately she did not perform on the bed for me. That was disappointing. Possibly she went for much younger guys. I also liked particularly skinny Ning from the Cabaret show (the bowler hat routine for example). I never tried the very long time famous blondie girl. She was a bit wild (possibly on drugs).I believe I tried all the best girls at Long Gun in the mid 2000s. I used to go almost every night and was close with one of the mamasans so she hooked me up with all the popular girls. Sadly, I can't remember any of their names. I do have photos of most of them though. The wild looking blond girl was actually a nice girl. Fun in bed and willing to please. Her hair reminded me of Woodstock's hair, Snoopy's bird friend. One girl I do remember her name was Joy, I consider her the best girl ever at Long Gun. She worked there around 2002 and was the star of the sexy show where they come smashing down with the boots and cowboy hats. What a total stunner. I wish I could remember the names of the two extremely tall sisters who worked there in the mid 2000's. Those girls were hot. But Joy was much better. To this day, I try to make it a point to take any and every girl they have in that one show with the boots and cowboy hats at least once. It's a long standing tradition since 2001, haha. Rawhide has the same show and actually had one stunner in that show the last time I was in there. I don't like that they changed the music. Starting out with Burning Alive by AC / DC and finishing up with Hey Jude by Warren Hill just seems so perfect.
The most common response I get whenever I ask a bargirl which men from which country they prefer is Australian. No, I am not Australian. LOL. But the girls mention that nationality more than any other I ever hear. Bear in mind, they wouldn't likely have a clue that Australia is not "USA" or "UK" or "The Moon" for that matter. I tell them I am from California and they are as likely to say "oh, from England?" as "oh, from Australia?"
I just think "Australia" is the latest buzz word repeated among bargirl for a certain kind of customer; loud, gregarious, travel in groups, buy lots of drinks, etc.I wonder where I'm from. LOL.
Actually to be true. I agree with that when $$ is on their minds they will look at you and try to judge where you're from and then say what country they think you are from.
Because I am a Caucasian English speaking man who dresses slightly better than the average Aussie "yobo" (slang for slob) and is not as loud as most Aussies then they usually peg me for an American.
But that being said it doesn't take them too long to tell you which part of the world they definitely don't like (talking about my experience in SEA here).
PattayaLover
05-13-17, 03:10
I wonder where I'm from. LOL.
Actually to be true. I agree with that when $$ is on their minds they will look at you and try to judge where you're from and then say what country they think you are from.
Because I am a Caucasian English speaking man who dresses slightly better than the average Aussie "yobo" (slang for slob) and is not as loud as most Aussies then they usually peg me for an American.
But that being said it doesn't take them too long to tell you which part of the world they definitely don't like (talking about my experience in SEA here).The answer must be India.
FormulaOneFan
05-13-17, 03:59
I don't care where they think I'm from as long as they don't profile me as someone they don't want to give good service to.
I just think "Australia" is the latest buzz word repeated among bargirl for a certain kind of customer; loud, gregarious, travel in groups, buy lots of drinks, etc.Most bargirls know that Australia has Kangaroos. That is about all. They don't know that it is much closer than USA, and that Europe is in other direction. In the sports pub I find the Australians and Americans to be equally loud, more than Europeans, especially watching sport an having a few beers. Some are so loud it is like a thunderclap in your ear. Perhaps there are just less Europeans. Yet in an office environment, I find the Europeans to be the loudest, e.g Italy, Germany, etc.
Girls usually ask how long does it take to fly to your country, and usually seem surprised by how long it is.
Banana Boi
05-13-17, 05:34
Bargirls like men from countries where they hear stories that a friend of theirs now has a Sponsor from there or has even moved to the Sponsor's country. Contrary to Eihtooms, I have never heard of a bargirl say Aussies are the best. Out of the Farang nations, I hear Norway, Sweden, Germany, often. As Syzy correctly comments, bargirls don't know geography well. They think everything is in Europe, including USA and Canada. Test if out yourself. Most will think you can drive from NYC to Germany.
Blanquiceleste
05-13-17, 05:36
The most common response I get whenever I ask a bargirl which men from which country they prefer is Australian.
I just think "Australia" is the latest buzz word repeated among bargirl for a certain kind of customer; loud, gregarious, travel in groups, buy lots of drinks, etc.As an experienced punter one would know that bargirls will always say what you love to hear. And in bargirl language 101 the first lesson is.
"loud, gregarious, buys lots of drinks = jai dee = stupid".
No particular offence to Aussies.
Because I am a Caucasian English speaking man who dresses slightly better than the average Aussie "yobo" (slang for slob) and is not as loud as most Aussies then they usually peg me for an American.I thought Bogan was the slang word for an Aussie redneck. I know in Bali they think of Aussies as the ones who cause all the trouble being rude, getting drunk and loud.
However, don't kid yourself, many Americans are also loud and rude. It's just that most of those type of Americans don't usually have the cash to fly all the way around the world for fun.
Bargirls like men from countries where they hear stories that a friend of theirs now has a Sponsor from there or has even moved to the Sponsor's country. Contrary to Eihtooms, I have never heard of a bargirl say Aussies are the best. Out of the Farang nations, I hear Norway, Sweden, Germany, often. As Syzy correctly comments, bargirls don't know geography well. They think everything is in Europe, including USA and Canada. Test if out yourself. Most will think you can drive from NYC to Germany.Among Farangs, I think Scandinavians should be the most popular, just there aren't so many of them. Not so much Germans.
However, don't kid yourself, many Americans are also loud and rude. It's just that most of those type of Americans don't usually have the cash to fly all the way around the world for fun.Actually Americans, are on average much more polite than from most other Farang countries, at least the classier ones that I am likely to meet. Agreed that the low class Americans are less likely to be here. Americans can be surprisingly loud in public places like in a BTS carriage, as though wanting the whole carriage to hear what they are saying. I can't take very loud continuous southern drawl for long periods. LOL On a long train ride in England recently one passenger was annoyingly loud and he was maybe English.
Bogan is a relatively recent slang word (maybe from 30 years ago), popular with the young people, so not used much among the older generation unless they picked it up from their kids or the appropriate TV shows. Yobo is definitely the old fashioned word. It is best not too use too much local slang on this forum since not understood by all countries. Was amazing to me that "lucked out" actually meant "in luck" to Americans, and means quite the reverse in some other countries. Quite often I read little colloquial things or abbreviations in posts that mean little to me. Just other day I was too lazy to even try to look up what an AMP was.
A useful site to explain "Aussie" slang:
http://andc.anu.edu.au/australian-words/meanings-origins
I did not find any useful sites for American slang, since in most sites, all the terms explained were just the very well known internationally, and widely used on TV terms. Urban Dictionary seems to be the general place to go, or Internet Slang.
Most bargirls know that Australia has Kangaroos. That is about all. They don't know that it is much closer than USA, and that Europe is in other direction. In the sports pub I find the Australians and Americans to be equally loud, more than Europeans, especially watching sport an having a few beers. Some are so loud it is like a thunderclap in your ear. Perhaps there are just less Europeans. Yet in an office environment, I find the Europeans to be the loudest, e.g Italy, Germany, etc.
Girls usually ask how long does it take to fly to your country, and usually seem surprised by how long it is.Another possible reason so many bargirls say "Australia" when I ask which country's customers they like the most is, as you said, it is much closer than USA. It is also closer than Europe and, therefore, they probably meet more native English-speaking customers from Australia year 'round than from anywhere else. As a matter of fact, I think I meet more fluent English-speaking fellow punters from Australia than from either USA or U. K. Therefore, their chances of flattering me by saying the country they think I am from even if I have told them "California" when they ask, "Where you from?" is greater if they just say the country they hear the most from other punters. Probably.
Another possible reason so many bargirls say "Australia" when I ask which country's customers they like the most is, as you said, it is much closer than USA. It is also closer than Europe and, therefore, they probably meet more native English-speaking customers from Australia year 'round than from anywhere else. As a matter of fact, I think I meet more fluent English-speaking fellow punters from Australia than from either USA or U. K. Therefore, their chances of flattering me by saying the country they think I am from even if I have told them "California" when they ask, "Where you from?" is greater if they just say the country they hear the most from other punters. Probably.The logic is based on the idea that girls will tell you bullshit every time, even if the reasons to do so are very weak. I have met many Thai girl who largely stay away from bullshit. Actually did not meet many at all that said they prefer my country. It just wasn't needed to try to flatter me. The only flattery I hear regularly is the "anaconda" one, of course, since the word is the same in every language. I have never been told Godzilla, so I guess I have to go away and weep. I guess it's not mammoth after all.
My GF indirectly flattered me by rescinding the "muu uan" (fat piggy) that she originally used to call me, after I lost quite a few kilos. So really Thai girl flattery does not go that far. Many just don't bother with such bullshit. When I pay Thai girls a compliment, they seem to say "paak waan" as if it is also bullshit, and I have to assure them that I only ever pay very honest compliments from the heart. I am not going to tell a girl I love her cute nose, when it's actually a surgeon's cock up. If I get a girl with big silicones, I am not going to say I love her tits "too much, too much".
Someone pointed out I used this word "too much" too often. It comes from a silly playful Thai song, popular with young teens, that goes like "Missing you so much, too much, very much" (yes it was actually in strange English). So I probably got influenced.
I have never managed to evidence of my GF telling me a lie. She must use it very sparingly indeed. She is smart that for any questions she does not like, for one reason or another, she just does not answer. You can suspect the true answer, but never be certain at all. I don't like to believe anything rigidly if I don't see the evidence though.
Actually Americans, are on average much more polite than from most other Farang countries.I think that's accurate, and is reflected in the current President.
Crazy4Thai
05-13-17, 14:47
I think that's accurate, and is reflected in the current President.LOL So there's no explaining why so many of us are appalled by him. I have a Norwegian friend with a bar in Thailand who does not like to have German customers as they are "loud and rude" according to him.
I think that's accurate, and is reflected in the current President.I think I just threw up, funny how you can't find too many people that admit to voting for the current resident at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. It's better just to let it go. If not this thread will never be the same.
funny how you can't find too many people that admit to voting for the current resident at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave..I don't think you can find too many people who admit to voting for Hillary either. People keep their votes private for the most part. The old rule is never discuss Religion or Politics because everyone has different beliefs and they won't change their mind. All you have to do is look at who won the election and it's easy to figure out who most people truly support, whether they admit to it or not.
My earlier comment was meant as humor. I do think the average American is polite. At least the ones who can afford a trip around the world.
Mr Enternational
05-13-17, 17:39
I can't take very loud continuous southern drawl for long periods..Too bad. I was going to invite you for a drink next time you are in Pattaya.
The logic is based on the idea that girls will tell you bullshit every time, even if the reasons to do so are very weak. I have met many Thai girl who largely stay away from bullshit. No, not really. If that had been the basis of my comment I would not have begun the comment with a statement about what is "possible" and ended it with "probably". Instead, I would have used words like "every time", "without exception" and "always". Besides, the rest of your response is about Thai girls in general, girls you know beyond first meeting and your girlfriends in particular. I agree that most Thai girls are oblivious to many things and will blurt out unflattering comments without hesitation. But I was talking about bargirls and mostly bargirls on first meeting.
Bargirls tend to repeat the same greeting, series of questions, and stock replies; "Welcome. What's your name? Where you from? Where you stay? You stay alone? Buy me a drink," etc. They would certainly be in a more "flattery" mode than after they know you better or become your girlfriend. And in that regard, it is very likely, not true 100% of the time without exception, just very likely that they might assume more often than not that a white, native English-speaking customer they have just met is from the country filled with white, English-speaking customers that happens to be closest to Thailand; Australia. Maybe an attempt at flattery, maybe just an automatic assumption based on previous experience.
Member #4591
05-15-17, 06:40
https://youtu.be/6J7h0raozcA
Bargirls tend to repeat the same greeting, series of questions, and stock replies; "Welcome. What's your name? Where you from? Where you stay? You stay alone? Buy me a drink," etc. They would certainly be in a more "flattery" mode than after they know you better or become your girlfriend. And in that regard, it is very likely, not true 100% of the time without exception, just very likely that they might assume more often than not that a white, native English-speaking customer they have just met is from the country filled with white, English-speaking customers that happens to be closest to Thailand; Australia. Maybe an attempt at flattery, maybe just an automatic assumption based on previous experience.Most of bargirl standard questions are not actually flattery. If she asks where you come from 2 or 3 times, you know she is not even listening to the answer. Just pretending to make conversation. I never hear "you handsome man" shit in the modern day except from perhaps old mamasans. Also hardly ever hear a girl say she particularly likes guys from my Country, not even in Thai language. It is not a subject that would occur to her if she was trying to think of some flattery. Just maybe there are a few girls that have had good experiences with guys from my country. If I ask a bargirl I have known a long time, which nationalities she likes, I actually expect an honest answer, in a fair proportion of cases. If I just met her, I would not be asking. Girls get used to the idea that I am a guy who doesn't need flattery. They are willing to fuck me and have fun with me. That is all that matters. If a girl started sucking up to me, I would soon tell her to stop that rubbish.
I think my key point is, if you think the girl will need to make up a bullshit answer to a question, then the question should not be asked. You make small talk, where you think the girl will probably give an honest answer in a large percentage of cases, otherwise it's pointless, unless you already know the answer and want to test her honestly, like do you have silicones?, when she obviously has them, or does she have a nose job. Yes some girls will try to deny this, but not that many, unless they think their nose job is perfection and cannot be detected. LOL Do you have a baby is a good one? Most girls will answer honestly.
Okay I can see the big difference in asking a girl a question of fact where evidence is available, and asking a question of opinion. Bullshit maybe a little more forthcoming for opinions. However I just don't ask, if I think the girl may feel the need to make up bullshit. I recall one Thai girl met many years ago who made up bullshit answers to almost every question. I had to tell her often that I did not want to hear such bullshit and learned not to ask anything at all probing. However never met another girl so consistently telling me bullshit, bargirl or not.
Guys that describe bargirls as full of bullshit, are probably asking them to many awkward questions. I do recognise that bargirls vary. Some are relatively honest. Others not. After a short time booking, the girl tells me she is going to go home. LOL I offer her a lift in the taxi since it is sort of on my way. She declines. So okay She is probably going to party with friends, or potentially meeting some other guy, or going back to the bar. Sure I don't believe her story in cases like this. However it is just possible she wants to eat some food with a friend, and then proceed home with her usual motorcycle guy who sends her every day. She could be just omitting some minor details that she did not intend to reveal. Could even have a boyfriend hanging around waiting to take her home. LOL You certainly can't expect an honest answer about whether she has a Thai boyfriend. Same applies to non bargirls with this type of question.
Everyone tells lies sometimes. You merely have the extremely deceptive and misleading girls, and the relatively straight forward girls, and a lot in between. I have to tell lies myself quite often, when necessary, for very awkward questions like "what did you do this evening?" or "where are you?" LOL. Fortunately on the forum, we are anonymous so bullshit is not necessary.
Modern phones with LINE App and video calls etc. Are a big nuisance. Girls can call to check where you are. How come your phone was switched off or no answer? No signal or flat battery isn't going to wash every time. Fortunately I found a GF who does not check. Previously I had a fucking detective GF. LOL Now I have a regular liason who likes to ask how many times I fucked since I last saw her. Sometimes a very unfortunate question. Usually I am sure I fucked less than she did since last time I did her. I never ask her how many guys she fucked. I may be prone to slight under exaggeration in my answers, even though I fucked very few times since I saw her. Not sure if she is checking just how much I prefer her, starting to have jealousies, or concerned about chances I might be barebacking other girls, etc. I promise her I am not barebacking other girls, then she asks what about condom accidents? LOL Everyone has a condom accident sometimes. I could be asking her how many guys she is barebacking too (but decided against it). Main BF for sure is at least one. This girl doesn't have to keep secrets from me, but I still don't ask any awkward questions. It makes girls feel relaxed and under no pressure, no hassles coming from me. I recommend it. Never try to control the girl. She hates all the guys who want her for themselves and try to control her. Once the guy gets into controlling mode, she will probably dump him quickly.
I can't understand the mentality of guys who deliberately want to cause hassles for the girl. Makes the girl become very untrusting of that guy and guys in general.
"jai gwarng" is the term Thais use to describe guys like me. Literally means "broad hearted", like a "jai dee" except maybe having a good heart with a few too many different girls. LOL Thai girls have the built in instinct that they don't like you spending your money on other girls too much.
Mr Enternational
05-16-17, 15:53
I am a little different. I like to ask the awkward questions and get them to come clean. When they see that I can care less about an answer that may be less than desirable to some other guys, then they can be relaxed and realize they do not have to hide anything from me.
Most of bargirl standard questions are not actually flattery. If she asks where you come from 2 or 3 times, you know she is not even listening to the answer. Just pretending to make conversation. I never hear "you handsome man" shit in the modern day except from perhaps old mamasans. Also hardly ever hear a girl say she particularly likes guys from my Country, not even in Thai language. It is not a subject that would occur to her if she was trying to think of some flattery. Just maybe there are a few girls that have had good experiences with guys from my country. If I ask a bargirl I have known a long time, which nationalities she likes, I actually expect an honest answer, in a fair proportion of cases. If I just met her, I would not be asking. Girls get used to the idea that I am a guy who doesn't need flattery. They are willing to fuck me and have fun with me. That is all that matters. If a girl started sucking up to me, I would soon tell her to stop that rubbish.
I think my key point is, if you think the girl will need to make up a bullshit answer to a question, then the question should not be asked. You make small talk, where you think the girl will probably give an honest answer in a large percentage of cases, otherwise it's pointless, unless you already know the answer and want to test her honestly, like do you have silicones?, when she obviously has them, or does she have a nose job.As I recall, the subject of which country's customers / men a bargirl prefers comes up rather naturally when she asks, "Where you from?", you say "California, USA" and her reaction is suddenly very positive like she loves guys from California, USA or whatever. LOL. Then the mostly jokey small talk can easily move into something like, "Oh? You like customers from USA?" and then some other girl sitting there pipes in with another country she likes the men from and on it goes. It isn't as though asking which country's customers / men a bargirl likes the most is high or even normal on my list of interview questions. LOL.
I would think the line of questioning that virtually begs a bargirl to bullshit you is when the topic moves into things like, "Do you ever get ripped off by customers?" or "What kind of behavior in a customer really annoys you?" Imo, this would likely invite tall tales filled with self-serving, even Face-saving nonsense designed to encourage any customer willing to listen to give her more money while being a good boy and not asking her to do very much to earn it.
As I recall, the subject of which country's customers / men a bargirl prefers comes up rather naturally when she asks, "Where you from?", you say "California, USA" and her reaction is suddenly very positive like she loves guys from California, USA or whatever.LOL.The matter of the fact is that a good 50% doesn't have a clue where California is.
The matter of the fact is that a good 50% doesn't have a clue where California is.Reminds me of a legit foot massage I was getting in Bangkok. The lady asked me where I was from:
"New York". No recognition.
"America". No recognition.
"USA". No recognition.
I pointed to the USA on the map on the wall next to me. No recognition.
She was wearing a Mickey Mouse t-shirt, so I said:
"You wear a Mickey Mouse t-shirt. Mickey Mouse from the USA ". Shoulder shrug.
SL.
GreatScott
05-16-17, 21:32
Just curious if anyone else noticed that you cannot access Bangkok's Backpage escort section or any section for that matter. All links from a quick Google search go straight to the US version of the main page where you select the state you are interested in. I am currently in the states so maybe it is accessible in Thailand. Maybe not. The last time I could access was maybe 2 days ago. Not a deal-breaker but just curious what happened and where these ads will migrate to besides CL.
Banana Boi
05-16-17, 22:09
They do understand Disneyland but it would be one of the Disneyland's in Asia, not USA.
The matter of the fact is that a good 50% doesn't have a clue where California is.Actually, that is why I say it that way. LOL. Just to see where they think California, USA is. Of course, I wouldn't have had a clue where Roi-Et was before I went there for a festival a month or two ago. And now that I have been there, I can easily forget about it.
Reminds me of a legit foot massage I was getting in Bangkok. The lady asked me where I was from:
"New York". No recognition.
"America". No recognition.
"USA". No recognition.
I pointed to the USA on the map on the wall next to me. No recognition.
She was wearing a Mickey Mouse t-shirt, so I said:
"You wear a Mickey Mouse t-shirt. Mickey Mouse from the USA ". Shoulder shrug.
SL.Mickey Mouse who?
Just curious if anyone else noticed that you cannot access Bangkok's Backpage escort section or any section for that matter. All links from a quick Google search go straight to the US version of the main page where you select the state you are interested in. I am currently in the states so maybe it is accessible in Thailand. Maybe not. The last time I could access was maybe 2 days ago. Not a deal-breaker but just curious what happened and where these ads will migrate to besides CL.I can confirm that.
Same applies to singapore and hongkong backpages and probably others.
I tested it by using VPN servers located in the US and in other less restrictive countries.
No problem if the server is located in Canada or Europe.
. The lady asked me where I was from:
"New York". No recognition.
"America". No recognition.
"USA". No recognition.SL.Yes, but for how many farang is everything north of Bangkok not named Chang Mai known only as 'Isaan'.
Reminds me of a legit foot massage I was getting in Bangkok. The lady asked me where I was from:
"New York". No recognition.
"America". No recognition.
"USA". No recognition.
I pointed to the USA on the map on the wall next to me. No recognition.
She was wearing a Mickey Mouse t-shirt, so I said:
"You wear a Mickey Mouse t-shirt. Mickey Mouse from the USA ". Shoulder shrug.
SL.Quite shocking when people do not know that USA is the center of the world! I am from US was quite shocked traveling to Europe over 30 years on my first international trip and to learn that they did not know that the world revolved around USA. I was even more shocked to learn that it did not.
Quite shocking when people do not know that USA is the center of the world! I am from US was quite shocked traveling to Europe over 30 years on my first international trip and to learn that they did not know that the world revolved around USA. I was even more shocked to learn that it did not.I was even more shocked when in 1973, in USA a kid asked whether we had TV in Europe.
Quite shocking when people do not know that USA is the center of the world! I am from US was quite shocked traveling to Europe over 30 years on my first international trip and to learn that they did not know that the world revolved around USA. I was even more shocked to learn that it did not.I think you missed the point. More of an observation on the education system, and general lack of awareness of the world outside of the country.
SL.
StinkyFeet
05-17-17, 17:31
He was being sarcastic.
I think you missed the point. More of an observation on the education system, and general lack of awareness of the world outside of the country.
SL.
I think you missed the point. More of an observation on the education system, and general lack of awareness of the world outside of the country.
SL.I agree total lack of awareness outside of one's country. Most Americans can not find Peking, China on the map. Or even Formosa?
I was even more shocked when in 1973, in USA a kid asked whether we had TV in Europe.Well, did you? Color tv? Of course black and white would have been made in USA by RCA and color by General Electric.
Sarcasticly yours,
Dg8787
I agree total lack of awareness outside of one's country. Most Americans can not find Peking, China on the map. Or even Formosa?They think Formosa is a former dictator of Nicaragua. It's understandable since it's now called Taiwan (and Peking, Beijing). I hate people renaming cities and countries I memorized at school as a child. Burma pales once it gets called Myangmar (or something of the sort). The new names reek of political correctness.
As an Antipodean, I think many Americans poor knowledge of the world outside the USA is embodied by how few of them actually travel to the rest of the world.
"Valid USA Passports in 2012 was 36%.
"Valid Australian Passports in 2012 was 68%.
"Valid German Passports in 2012 was 90%.
Rather than blaming the education system, I would suggest many American's just don't care about the rest of the world, a cultural-centric symptom in today's information rich (and easy to access on your device) world.
Thankfully most of the Yanks that do get across the border are really nice people, well the one's without guns and bombs that is.
I was even more shocked when in 1973, in USA a kid asked whether we had TV in Europe.I have been asked if my country's beeches have sand or not.
...Rather than blaming the education system, I would suggest many American's just don't care about the rest of the world, a cultural-centric symptom in today's information rich (and easy to access on your device) world.
Thankfully most of the Yanks that do get across the border are really nice people, well the one's without guns and bombs that is.I have been residing in the US for 40+ years. When I first arrived in the US, back in the late 70's, I was disappointed after coming to the same conclusion. I was also shocked when I realized how little effort they put in trying to understand what you are saying, as my pronunciation was not very good then.
Since then, I raised 3 kids and got used to it. It is really the fault of the education system. One of my kids asked me at one time, why does she need to learn about history. For her, History was boring stuff. I asked her to ask her History teacher that question. She never did. The high school curriculum is just awful, no emphasis whatsoever on Geography and history, with very little emphasis on Math and Algebra. Thank God for the higher education system. They squeeze the crap out of them, even more when they get their first job.
Or even Formosa?I think most Americans would know that is a city in Argentina.
Robert Long
05-19-17, 19:08
As an Antipodean, I think many Americans poor knowledge of the world outside the USA is embodied by how few of them actually travel to the rest of the world.
"Valid USA Passports in 2012 was 36%.
"Valid Australian Passports in 2012 was 68%.
"Valid German Passports in 2012 was 90%.
Rather than blaming the education system, I would suggest many American's just don't care about the rest of the world, a cultural-centric symptom in today's information rich (and easy to access on your device) world.
Thankfully most of the Yanks that do get across the border are really nice people, well the one's without guns and bombs that is.Since the 9-11 incident and the threat of terrorism worldwide I believe that most of us are aware of the dislike of Americans. Agree that our government is the most corrupt in the world and depends on the industry of war toys to support our economy in a large way. This has many paranoid of international travel.
But actually our country has so much to see and is so diverse that Americans enjoy staycations instead of traveling abroad. We feel safe and secure in our own backyard.
Your percentages don't tell the truth. 36% is much larger than the other 2 examples combined based on the population of all 3 countries. I love to travel and will continue to do so. It's a wonderful world.
RL.
Congratulations on being part of the 36% that are risk takers and being richer (aesthetically) for it.
But I think you miss the point of percentages, the narrative is that almost 7/10 American are culturally insular-looking.
Your quote says it all "We feel safe and secure in our own backyard".
Most people in countries like Australia, Europe and Canada (who had a 67% holder rate in 1992) also ". Feel safe and secure in our own backyard" but still are adventurous global risk takers and like you are richer for it.
I've been to America, travelled through 42 states as a tourist and loved it, the regular Joe / Josephine was / is lovely and I have many American friends.
But perhaps if 67% of Americans had experienced the world outside of their self imposed metaphysical cell then America wouldn't be ruled by buffoon.
Rather than blaming the education system, I would suggest many American's just don't care about the rest of the world, a cultural-centric symptom in today's information rich (and easy to access on your device) world.I don't agree. I think, there are two reasons, which are much more important:
- the US offer a wide variety of climate, nature and people without leaving the country.
- in the US there are much more very poor people than in other developed countries, who can not afford to travel abroad.
"Valid USA Passports in 2012 was 36%.
"Valid Australian Passports in 2012 was 68%.
"Valid German Passports in 2012 was 90%is.These %s are due in part to geography.
Crocodilexp
05-20-17, 08:17
I don't agree. I think, there are two reasons, which are much more important:
- the US offer a wide variety of climate, nature and people without leaving the country.
- in the US there are much more very poor people than in other developed countries, who can not afford to travel abroad.The key reason, I think, is that employees in the US get very little vacation time (in most states, none is required by law). Two weeks off in a year is considered generous, and you often can't even use that in practice. Compare that to most of Europe or Australia where 4-5 weeks vacation is the legal minimum.
Most of the USA Middle class, who could afford a vacation abroad, simply don't have time to do it in practice. Add to this 2 days that have to be spent traveling to anywhere except Latin America.
The key reason, I think, is that employees in the US get very little vacation time (in most states, none is required by law). Two weeks off in a year is considered generous, and you often can't even use that in practice. Compare that to most of Europe or Australia where 4-5 weeks vacation is the legal minimum.
Most of the USA Middle class, who could afford a vacation abroad, simply don't have time to do it in practice. Add to this 2 days that have to be spent traveling to anywhere except Latin America.I disagree. A lot of Americans have traveled outside of the country to Hawaii! Many will tell you that if you ask them. I often tell fellow Americans headed to Hawaii to exchange their dollars here for Hawaiian money as the exchange rate is much better here!
Old New Guy
05-20-17, 18:28
I disagree. A lot of Americans have traveled outside of the country to Hawaii! Many will tell you that if you ask them. I often tell fellow Americans headed to Hawaii to exchange their dollars here for Hawaiian money as the exchange rate is much better here!Are you serious? Hawaii is a state in the USA. As an American one does not get out of the country travelling there. Also what is "Hawaiian money"?
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